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Carlos
17-10-19, 15:30
Population

Distance



i3759_Celtiberian_IA

1.333519



I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent

1.423613



I3759_Celtiberian

1.501593



i3758_Celtiberian_IA

1.550354



BA_Hungary_RISE373

1.567452



I3874_Beaker_South_France

1.608371



I10892_Catalonia_medieval

1.650611



SZ45_Pannonian

1.751551




https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SaZH0gaxlIE/XaRmNfwnwpI/AAAAAAAABDY/9ArtluuP3mUhC0chksatbMSx9Cq8zN2UwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/yoruclosetancient.JPEG

Sometimes I wonder what our designs will be in this era where we bump into our elbows in overcrowded cities that we can't or don't want to give up for raising malbas in more unpopulated areas, knowing who we are and dying.



Population
Value


i3759_Celtiberian_IA
37


BA_Hungary_RISE373
5


i3758_Celtiberian_IA
4.4


i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD
4.2


I3874_Beaker_South_France
2.6


I3759_Celtiberian
2.4


I3578_EMA_Andalusia
2.2


BA_Portugal_TorreVelha_32032
2


EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
1.8


N_Sweden_Gökhem7
1.8


I7424_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD
1.4


SZ43_north-Italian
1.4


Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0113
1.2


CHL_Iberia_I1281
1.2


N_Levant_AinGhazal5
1.2


BA_Srubnaya_I0358
1


CHL_Iberia_I1277
1


IA_Wielbark_Kow_55_PL
1


CHL_Iberia_I1303
0.8


CWC_Sweden_RISE97
0.8


EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1
0.8


Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE566
0.6


Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0171
0.6


Bell_Beaker_Germany__RISE560_
0.6


CWC_Germany_I0108
0.6


EMA_Alpine_STR_310
0.6


I1767_Beaker_Britain
0.6


IA_Britain_York_6DRIF18
0.6


IA_Britain_York_6DRIF21
0.6


SZ28_north-Italian
0.6


SZ45_Pannonian
0.6


BA_Unetice_Czechia_RISE577
0.4


CHL_Iberia_ATP16_
0.4


CHL_Iberia_I1274
0.4


CHL_Remedello_IT_RISE486
0.4


CL36_north-Italian
0.4


CL94_Iberian
0.4


DA112_Hallstatt-Bylany_800BC
0.4


EN_Iberia_I0410
0.4


I1767_EarlyBronze_Age_Briton
0.4


IA_Britain_York_6DRIF23
0.4


MN_Germany_I0560
0.4


MN_Iberia_I0405
0.4


Niederstotzingen_Alemmani_6
0.4


Amerindian_Chachapoya
0.2


BA_Armenia_RISE407
0.2


BA_Hungary_BR1
0.2


BA_Hungary_RISE484
0.2


BA_Karasuk_RISE492
0.2


BA_Karasuk_RISE499
0.2


BA_Levant_I0867
0.2


BA_Portugal_ERR1524174
0.2


BA_Portugal_MonteGato_104
0.2


BA_Unetice_Germany_I0803
0.2


BA_Unetice_Germany__I0115
0.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_106
0.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_249
0.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_10
0.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_BIM_37
0.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_241
0.2


Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE567
0.2


Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0112
0.2


Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0806
0.2


Bell_Beaker_Germany_RISE563_
0.2


C1_Nepal_Chokhopani_2700BP
0.2


CHL_Armenia_I1409
0.2


CHL_Iberia_1280
0.2


CHL_Iberia_I1314
0.2


CHL_Iran_I1674
0.2


CHL_Yamnaya_Samara_I0444
0.2


CL151_Longobard
0.2


CL23_north-Italian
0.2


CL31_Greek_Balkan
0.2


CL83_Celto-Longobard
0.2


CL87_Longobard
0.2


CWC_Denmark_RISE61
0.2


CWC_Germany_I0104
0.2


CWC_Germany_I0111
0.2


DA111_Hallstatt-Bylany|_800BC
0.2


DA119_Germanic_chieftain_Poprad
0.2


DA222_Karluk
0.2


DA_205_Kazakhstan_Karakhanid
0.2


EBA_Russia_RISE555
0.2


EMA_Balkan_AED_1135
0.2


EMA_Hinxton2_Anglosaxon
0.2


EMA_Hinxton3_Anglosaxon
0.2


EMA_Hinxton5_Anglosaxon
0.2


EN_Ballinahatty_Ireland_
0.2


EN_Iberia_I0409
0.2


EN_Iberia_I0411_I041
0.2


I10851_medieval_Catalonia
0.2


I2298_published_Tanzania_Pemba_600BP
0.2


IA_Britain_York_6DRIF3
0.2


IA_Sarmatian_PR9_I0574_Pokrovka
0.2


IA_Scythian_I0247b
0.2


IA_Wielbark_Kow_22_PL
0.2


IA_Wielbark_Kow_45_PL
0.2


LBA_Armenia_RISE397
0.2


MA2198_Anatolia_IA
0.2


MBA_ATP2_Iberia
0.2


MBA_ATP9_Iberia
0.2


MBA_Armenia_RISE416
0.2


MBA_Armenia_RISE423
0.2


N_Hungary_CO1
0.2


Natufian__1072
0.2


Niederstotzingen_Alemmani_9
0.2


SZ15_Longobard
0.2


SZ1_Greek-Balkan
0.2


SZ30_Celtic
0.2


SZ3_Longobard
0.2


TAF009_Iberomaurasian
0.2


Visigoth_I12163
0.2

Salento
18-10-19, 02:34
Top 3 Gene Pools

#1 Sardinia
#2 Southern France
#3 Basque Country

https://i.imgur.com/36JWB5f.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9GqHruw.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/XLURqNf.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Y5srETB.jpg


forgot about this, over a year ago, from GPS Origins / HomeDNA

matty74
18-10-19, 05:12
My YourDNAPortal.com results:


https://i.imgur.com/HXYAfKc.png

https://i.imgur.com/I4ZenAD.png

https://i.imgur.com/fx3uIEk.png?1

Population
Value


SZ22_Longobard
22.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_480
13.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_204
11.8


CL83_Celto-Longobard
9


SZ38_Longobard
7.4


CL84_Longobard
5.4


EMA_Hinxton5_Anglosaxon
4.6


SZ13_Longobard
3.4


SZ9_Longobard
3


SZ16_Longobard
2.6


Baiuvarii_Germanic_NW_255
2.2


Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0058
1.8


IA_Hinxton4_Celtic_Roman
1.8


SZ12_Longobard
1.6


Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0060
1


Mesolithic_Sweden_Motala04
0.8


BA_Unetice_Germany_I0117
0.6


Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_1119
0.6


I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent
0.6


IA_Wielbark_Kow_26_PL
0.6


SZ24_Longobard
0.6


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_355
0.4


CHL_Iberia_1280
0.4


DA199HungaryMedieval
0.4


Mesolithic_Sweden_Motala02
0.4


Vik_84005_Sigtuna_Viking
0.4


BA_Hungary_RISE483
0.2


BA_Portugal_MonteGato_104
0.2


BA_Unetice_Germany_I0114
0.2


BA_Unetice_Germany_I0803
0.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_AEd_92
0.2


CL47_Alpine
0.2


EMA_Poland_Slav_Niemcza_34
0.2


I10851_medieval_Catalonia
0.2


I1388_Beaker_South_France
0.2


I3578_EMA_Andalusia
0.2


MN_Iberia_I0406
0.2


Mesolithic_Hungary_KO1
0.2


Mesolithic_Sweden_Motala09
0.2


N_Sweden_N_Gökhem2
0.2


SZ45_Pannonian
0.2


i3758_Celtiberian_IA
0.2

matty74
18-10-19, 05:18
https://i.imgur.com/st2JMtc.png

https://i.imgur.com/Er8tmoo.png

https://i.imgur.com/C13SFc7.png

https://i.imgur.com/rsROjVL.png

Wheal
18-10-19, 15:51
https://i.imgur.com/n1Rqw7Lh.png
This is my mother's comparison

Wheal
18-10-19, 15:55
https://i.imgur.com/hJRTxyYh.jpg

This my father

Angela
18-10-19, 17:56
https://i.imgur.com/hJRTxyYh.jpg

This my father

Markedly less close for your father. Are their ancestries similar, Wheal?

Love the dog, btw. Now that's the size dog I should have. Instead, I have this 70 pound monster who thinks he's a lap dog and insists on sleeping glued to me. :)

Joey37
18-10-19, 18:54
11474Ooh, Wheal. I am also a Spaniel lover! I get the same peoples, although Franks are my number one (not surprising, as most of my German ancestors came from the old stem duchy of Franconia. I though, have a springer spaniel. I match Cheddar Man (autosomally, as I have farmer mtdna and steppe y-dna) in the DNA spotlight; interestingly I have a great-great-great-great-grandfather born in Bath, Somerset, not too far from Cheddar.

snkves
19-10-19, 03:52
DNA Spotlight

https://i.imgur.com/JByBL6i.png
https://i.imgur.com/myBsI5t.png
https://i.imgur.com/KHalzoo.png
https://i.imgur.com/jx6HZ50.png


Ancient Basic Haplogroups

https://i.imgur.com/dWgjoCy.png

Carlos
20-10-19, 23:48
New result:

6. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 10.09 - I3499

mtDNA: T2e

Y-DNA: R1b1a1a2a2

Ancien Group

Gallo roman Illyrian Thracian

Thracian + Illyrian (6.588)
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (8.304)
Gallo-Roman (9.094)
Illyrian (9.098)
Thracian (10.21)

Modern Group

1. Spanish_Andalucia (10.17)
2. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (11.08)
3. Spanish_Valencia (11.80)
4. Spanish_Extremadura (12.01)
5. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (12.08)
6. Spanish_Cantabria (12.17)
7. North_Italian (12.21)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (12.36)

Similar Samples

Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) (7.94)
Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (9.094)
Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) (9.098)
Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (9.27)
Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) (9.32)

My God, I'm closer to Spartacus every day, how is that possible?

Salento
21-10-19, 00:33
My God, I'm closer to Spartacus every day, how is that possible?

@Carlos you are Spartacus :)


https://youtu.be/u93bhAimFFU

:thinking: Sparta Cus

Shouldn't it be Thraciacus instead?

Carlos
21-10-19, 03:08
@Carlos you are Spartacus :)


https://youtu.be/u93bhAimFFU

:thinking: Sparta Cus

Shouldn't it be Thraciacus instead?

The body of Spartacus was never found, neither among the crucified nor among those killed in battle.

Cus, the country. The name of the territory through which the Guijón ran (Gen 2:13); translated Ethiopia by RVA). Moses' wife was Cusita, making her the target of criticism of Mary and Aaron (Num 12: 1). If she was Sephora, the wife of Moses mentioned above, her origin was the land of Midian. The first passages seem to indicate that Cus was African, the last as Asian. The precise identification of women or the country is an unsolved problem. See ETHIOPIA.
https://www.bibliatodo.com/Diccionario-biblico/cus

Spartacus probably took refuge in the confines of the known world that could not be any other place than Iberia.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-30LRgswYAK0/Xay4rm3dshI/AAAAAAAABIo/XvOg4_hNbTkn0QsGJBjnp_WEX_eFdl3eQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/IMG_20190831_204317.jpg
She is probably her Thracian-Celtiberian daughter

Salento
21-10-19, 04:14
Edit : ... Processing ...

Duarte
21-10-19, 13:22
The body of Spartacus was never found, neither among the crucified nor among those killed in battle.

Cus, the country. The name of the territory through which the Guijón ran (Gen 2:13); translated Ethiopia by RVA). Moses' wife was Cusita, making her the target of criticism of Mary and Aaron (Num 12: 1). If she was Sephora, the wife of Moses mentioned above, her origin was the land of Midian. The first passages seem to indicate that Cus was African, the last as Asian. The precise identification of women or the country is an unsolved problem. See ETHIOPIA.
https://www.bibliatodo.com/Diccionario-biblico/cus

Spartacus probably took refuge in the confines of the known world that could not be any other place than Iberia.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-30LRgswYAK0/Xay4rm3dshI/AAAAAAAABIo/XvOg4_hNbTkn0QsGJBjnp_WEX_eFdl3eQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/IMG_20190831_204317.jpg
She is probably her Thracian-Celtiberian daughter

LOL. She has a Brazilian sister. The young “Carioca” (native from Rio de Janeiro City) actress Marina Ruy Barbosa:

https://i.imgur.com/JBYXzhk.jpg


Enviado do meu iPhone usando Tapatalk

Nik
21-10-19, 15:00
New result:

6. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 10.09 - I3499

mtDNA: T2e

Y-DNA: R1b1a1a2a2

Ancien Group

Gallo roman Illyrian Thracian

Thracian + Illyrian (6.588)
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (8.304)
Gallo-Roman (9.094)
Illyrian (9.098)
Thracian (10.21)

Modern Group

1. Spanish_Andalucia (10.17)
2. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (11.08)
3. Spanish_Valencia (11.80)
4. Spanish_Extremadura (12.01)
5. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (12.08)
6. Spanish_Cantabria (12.17)
7. North_Italian (12.21)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (12.36)

Similar Samples

Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) (7.94)
Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (9.094)
Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) (9.098)
Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (9.27)
Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) (9.32)

My God, I'm closer to Spartacus every day, how is that possible?
Which region of Spain are you from?

Seems that Ancient Greeks were right about the 3 brothers Illyrios, Gallos, and Keltos :P

Carlos
21-10-19, 15:11
Which region of Spain are you from?

Seems that Ancient Greeks were right about the 3 brothers Illyrios, Gallos, and Keltos :P

I`m from:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Andaluc%C3%ADa-loc.svg/275px-Andaluc%C3%ADa-loc.svg.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Comarca_de_la_Sierra_de_C%C3%A1diz.svg/240px-Comarca_de_la_Sierra_de_C%C3%A1diz.svg.png

I also have from here:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Comarca_de_la_Sierra_de_las_Nieves.svg/1200px-Comarca_de_la_Sierra_de_las_Nieves.svg.png

And a great-great-grandmother mother of my mother's maternal grandfather here, who by the last names Ardila Figueira have told me that she could be from the center of Portugal.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Portugal_location_map.svg/180px-Portugal_location_map.svg.png

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PsWGU9JLe-Y/XaMpE90DT4I/AAAAAAAABC0/I7943FydfQ0HZqo4nhsCSqAETcZGjCpKACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/DEEPDIVEMAPEeurope.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2b3SMLiD1Hk/Xa2yshC1M1I/AAAAAAAABI0/J1L7beIr2_8Fo86lTNycPRBp3pzRD0AygCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/100samplesOctubre2019.JPEG

Duarte
21-10-19, 17:05
I`m from:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2b3SMLiD1Hk/Xa2yshC1M1I/AAAAAAAABI0/J1L7beIr2_8Fo86lTNycPRBp3pzRD0AygCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/100samplesOctubre2019.JPEG

@Carlos

My lawyers will come to you to charge my copyrights. You copied my map without consulting me, LOL ;)

https://i.imgur.com/BWsIxbM.png

Salento
21-10-19, 18:00
I’m still processing in my Genius Brain the picture of her father's “daughter” :petrified: :grin:

... Spartacus' hija hermosa, lol


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-30LRgswYAK0/Xay4rm3dshI/AAAAAAAABIo/XvOg4_hNbTkn0QsGJBjnp_WEX_eFdl3eQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/IMG_20190831_204317.jpg


... end processing...:


https://i.imgur.com/4bE11XO.jpg

... now we’re talking ... :)

Carlos
21-10-19, 21:10
@Duarte

Separated at birth

@Salento

Better. I would have triumphed in America.

Joey37
21-10-19, 22:45
11480I like the new haplogroup feature...more than half of my samples are R1b, but my own haplogroup is in second place, with 15%. And I am a Visigoth.

22-10-19, 03:36
11480I like the new haplogroup feature...more than half of my samples are R1b, but my own haplogroup is in second place, with 15%. And I am a Visigoth.

Interesting, my own haplogroup, G2a, doesn't show up at all.

Carlos
22-10-19, 06:43
11480I like the new haplogroup feature...more than half of my samples are R1b, but my own haplogroup is in second place, with 15%. And I am a Visigoth.


I am also a Visigoth and forty other things.

Too many years or decades focused on the haplogroup of dad and mom and now it is seen in a tangible way that not everything started and ended there.
Many people now see that their haplogroup or haplogroups are just book covers or even the book has no covers.

Nik
22-10-19, 13:44
I`m from:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Andaluc%C3%ADa-loc.svg/275px-Andaluc%C3%ADa-loc.svg.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Comarca_de_la_Sierra_de_C%C3%A1diz.svg/240px-Comarca_de_la_Sierra_de_C%C3%A1diz.svg.png

I also have from here:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Comarca_de_la_Sierra_de_las_Nieves.svg/1200px-Comarca_de_la_Sierra_de_las_Nieves.svg.png


Basically you're from my all time favourite region the entire world. Loveliest people I know too.

Carlos
22-10-19, 13:54
To Nik
Thanks! Really!

Carlos
22-10-19, 15:11
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oi-j-R3yKA4/Xa78U9k910I/AAAAAAAABJA/ocWUogeUJww0veqb6fhch8pqUGlKR2CJQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/JakySpartacus6.jpg
Jackie Spartacus

In the hypothesis that Spartacus had taken refuge in Iberia and Jackie being her daughter this could be her ancestry:

Thracian-Ilirio // Iberian // Gallo-Roman

Salento
22-10-19, 15:14
Pax is right about the distance to that particular sample, 11.62 is fairly large. Though I'm sure, as you said ,we will all have different results when the samples are utilized. This particular calculator will have that happen, since they continuously update with new samples available. However, in regards to those samples from that "Leaked PCA"; we will still need to verify their identities, and the time-frame. I think it is important that we wait and be patient before investing so much in expectations.

TBH, I think leaked material, that is not officially verified is bad for our discourse. It serves more to create confusion, and misinformation.


Since none of my distances are under 10, and according to many members all samples above the 10 are considered useless, I’ve decided to post future results again, when and if I’ll get distances under 10.

https://i.imgur.com/SCRcqbK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZS0Tjt5.jpg

Jovialis
22-10-19, 18:33
Since none of my distances are under 10, and according to many members all samples above the 10 are considered useless, I’ve decided to post future results again, when and if I’ll get distances under 10.
https://i.imgur.com/SCRcqbK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZS0Tjt5.jpg
I'm sure once they get some samples from Puglia in the calculator, you will have a closer affinity. As will I, I'm sure. I have a feeling it will be something like:
Latin+Magna Grecia Greek

Salento
22-10-19, 21:53
I'm sure once they get some samples from Puglia in the calculator, you will have a closer affinity. As will I, I'm sure. I have a feeling it will be something like:
Latin+Magna Grecia Greek

Hopefully by the next month or 2, they give some kind of access to the samples of the Roman Paper that Razib Khan opined on Twitter and https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2019/10/21/open-thread-10-21-2019/#comment-15077

matty74
22-10-19, 23:33
I don't even look Scandinavian/North Germanic but all my DNA results seemingly have been overwhelmingly northwards shifted. According to the new Ancestry.com update, I'm now 1/4 Swedish? Even myheritage.com shows a lot of close cousin matches (2nd-3rd-4th cousins) with Swedes. Just super confused and making sense of these results. They seem to greatly differ in some regards as well. Maybe I need to approach this with a different mindset.

Ivar of Rasa Bol
23-10-19, 03:18
Your closest Ancient populations are: Vikings, Longobards and Oeselians


https://mytrueancestry.com/img/Viking.jpgViking

https://mytrueancestry.com/img/Lombard.jpgLongobard



VikingsLongobardsOeselians


Viking + Longobard (6.975)
Oeselian + Longobard (8.454)
Viking (11.32)
Oeselian (13.98)
Longobard (15.01)

You have ancient relatives! (you share identified DNA segments)Info (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

Medieval Oeselian Saaremaa


1270 AD


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Total cM=6.29
Largest segment=6.29 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 39) - Your raw DNA is
22
% closer than other matching users

Salento
23-10-19, 05:09
... Comprehensive:

... Razib Khan| re: Rome. paper out in 1 month.

the results looked like this to me:

1) no difference between Etruscans and Latins

2) massive shift toward ‘Eastern’ affinity during the Imperial Period

3) shift ‘back’ after the Late Antique Period

Basically, I think it is in line with work which suggests large fractions of non-natives in *cities*. When cities declined this genetic imprint diminished and Medieval cities were repopulated from rural areas ...

Ivar of Rasa Bol
23-10-19, 13:40
I had to check it out, what these two totally new groups for me, Longobards and Oeselians really are?

ps my summer cottage is "only" 350 km from Oesel, but I have never even heard the name of that island https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/SqD7HMfohPMpRVn3bt9OlrLf8mAnzxtt8e8c47Cw0kMrF0VNH4 iKYWsNpYpnqMZPauVSAzicclE-5uNlJxChrYftqUqelH1V0xvjs1gxUnFa=s0-d-e1-ft#https://www.eupedia.com/forum/images/smilies/main/rolleyes.gif I knew the name in Estonian language: Saaremaa and Finnish Saarenmaa ("Island´s land" or "The land of an island":thinking:).

This information was really, really interesting. I am very happy that I found Eupedia, and got already so much interesting information https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/5BeE_wJQq4qkDgKJKZTdf-dmDygkYm3ixIvvY6AZIYbhVFI-gPNhNDYqKO_JzArC9SCrVVJvTvhLbcOGD6NBFwUntwTajnaHxy ZPgWHt=s0-d-e1-ft#https://www.eupedia.com/forum/images/smilies/main/heart.gif

http://www.nordicestonia.com/nordic/estonian-vikings/




VIKINGS


In the frozen north, a land of people clung to the ancient gods in a land whose earth would freeze over in winter and sun would hide away for months. The land bred harsh warriors with mastery of metals to fight away the greedy ****** and thieving dwarves. Sailors would brave the sea in dangerous waters fighting the storms of Thor the god of thunder. The seafaring culture started raiding further and further outside their homeland in Scandinavia. Small villages were raided at first, but once slaves and money started flowing in the Vikings became ever ambitious. The Vikings were ruthless and fearless with bloodlust only rivaled by their desire for fame. Ragnar Lodbrok was one such Viking who raided England and Paris. Eventually Vikings settled the 'Danelaw' in England, Scotland and Ireland and the Danish King Knut unified the whole of England.



LONGOBARDS


The Longobards (Winnili) were a pre-Viking era Scandinavian tribe who migrated south towards Germania. Upon reaching Germania, the Winnili ran into conflict with the powerful Germanic Vandals. Both sides appealed to their chief god Odin for victory. To achieve victory against the more numerous Vandals, the godess Freia told the Winnili women to tie their hair to look like beards. Odin saw them standing in the field and asked who are these long beard warriors? After their victory the Winnili were called the Longbeards which in time renamed to Longobards/Lombards. Not finding adequate food resources, they ventured into Pannonia in modern day Hungary. There the Longobards allied with the Avars to defeat the Gepids, but all the spoils went to the Avars. As a result, the Longobards under King Alboin left the region and relocated into northern Italy where the land was ripe and by then the Longobards had a fierce reputation. The Byzantine Empire had spent vast amounts of money defeating the Ostrogoths and now had the Longobards to deal with. Eventually the Longobard Kingdom of Italy was split between two rulers, one at Milan and the other at Pavia. Weakened by internal fighting, Charlemagne of the Franks seized the lands of the Longobards and absorbed it into the kingdom of the Franks. However, some territories survived under Lombard dukes.





OESELIANS


The Old Norse Sagas mention the Finnic Vikings from Estonia (Vikingr fra Esthland). The largest island of Estonia called Oesel (or Saaremaa) was home to the Oeselians, fierce warriors who sailed ships called piraticas which dragon or snakehead prows and quadranguar sails. One saga mentions a fierce battle off the coast of Saaremaa between Oeselians and Icelandic Vikings in 972 AD. The Livonian Chronicle mentions how they were surrounded by the sea and never fear strong armies as their strength is in their ships. In summers they oppressed surrounding lands by raiding both Christians and pagans. A fleet of Oeselians ravaged southern Sweden and forced Danish King Valdemar I to mobilize his entire fleet to stop them. Oeselians most famous raid was an attack on the former Swedish capital and Viking city of Sigtuna. The head god of the Oeselians was Tharapita (associated to Thor) who was born on a forested mountain in Estonia and flew to Saaremaa. This co-incided with a major meteor disaster in 660 BC that formed a huge crater on the island.

Ivar of Rasa Bol
23-10-19, 13:59
Does anybody know, do they have at MyTrueAncestry often campaigns? If I choose Caesar level now, are there sometimes upgades cheaper than difference as the list price 100 USD?

I tried first to download my FTDNA Big Y 700, but I did´t succeed with it. Autosomal went through easy. Did I something wrong, or isn´t it possible to load Y 700 on level zero?

Duarte
23-10-19, 17:18
Does anybody know, do they have at MyTrueAncestry often campaigns? If I choose Caesar level now, are there sometimes upgades cheaper than difference as the list price 100 USD?

I tried first to download my FTDNA Big Y 700, but I did´t succeed with it. Autosomal went through easy. Did I something wrong, or isn´t it possible to load Y 700 on level zero?

Hi Ivar of Rasa.

MTA works only with the autosomal DNA. Big Y has only the Y chromosome SNPs, which trace the origin of your direct paternal ancestry, but not your ethnicity. Ethnicity is determined by autosomal DNA. The matches did by MTA with ancient samples are autosomal (SNPs present on chromosomes 1 to 22). Y DNA (paternal) and mitochondrial DNA (maternal) SNPs are not used by MTA, which is why the raw data of the FASTA file from your Big Y was not uploaded, as it contains, as has been said before, only the SNPs of your Y chromosome that are useful only to determine your paternal haplogroup. As for promotions, there was one in September offering the Zeus level for USD 25.00 to all those who were Caesar level. I had enjoyed this promotion. Now we can only wait for other promotions. Cheers.


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Salento
23-10-19, 17:30
... Comprehensive:

... Razib Khan| re: Rome. paper out in 1 month.

the results looked like this to me:

1) no difference between Etruscans and Latins

2) massive shift toward ‘Eastern’ affinity during the Imperial Period

3) shift ‘back’ after the Late Antique Period

Basically, I think it is in line with work which suggests large fractions of non-natives in *cities*. When cities declined this genetic imprint diminished and Medieval cities were repopulated from rural areas ...

If R. K. is right, These could easily be the results of an Ancient Roman.

You = Ancient Roman :

https://i.imgur.com/ePNexm3.jpg



Salento :) above and below:

https://i.imgur.com/ROOqQlN.jpg

Jovialis
23-10-19, 17:38
I had to check it out, what these two totally new groups for me, Longobards and Oeselians really are?

ps my summer cottage is "only" 350 km from Oesel, but I have never even heard the name of that island https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/SqD7HMfohPMpRVn3bt9OlrLf8mAnzxtt8e8c47Cw0kMrF0VNH4 iKYWsNpYpnqMZPauVSAzicclE-5uNlJxChrYftqUqelH1V0xvjs1gxUnFa=s0-d-e1-ft#https://www.eupedia.com/forum/images/smilies/main/rolleyes.gif I knew the name in Estonian language: Saaremaa and Finnish Saarenmaa ("Island´s land" or "The land of an island":thinking:).

This information was really, really interesting. I am very happy that I found Eupedia, and got already so much interesting information https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/5BeE_wJQq4qkDgKJKZTdf-dmDygkYm3ixIvvY6AZIYbhVFI-gPNhNDYqKO_JzArC9SCrVVJvTvhLbcOGD6NBFwUntwTajnaHxy ZPgWHt=s0-d-e1-ft#https://www.eupedia.com/forum/images/smilies/main/heart.gif

http://www.nordicestonia.com/nordic/estonian-vikings/




VIKINGS


In the frozen north, a land of people clung to the ancient gods in a land whose earth would freeze over in winter and sun would hide away for months. The land bred harsh warriors with mastery of metals to fight away the greedy ****** and thieving dwarves. Sailors would brave the sea in dangerous waters fighting the storms of Thor the god of thunder. The seafaring culture started raiding further and further outside their homeland in Scandinavia. Small villages were raided at first, but once slaves and money started flowing in the Vikings became ever ambitious. The Vikings were ruthless and fearless with bloodlust only rivaled by their desire for fame. Ragnar Lodbrok was one such Viking who raided England and Paris. Eventually Vikings settled the 'Danelaw' in England, Scotland and Ireland and the Danish King Knut unified the whole of England.



LONGOBARDS


The Longobards (Winnili) were a pre-Viking era Scandinavian tribe who migrated south towards Germania. Upon reaching Germania, the Winnili ran into conflict with the powerful Germanic Vandals. Both sides appealed to their chief god Odin for victory. To achieve victory against the more numerous Vandals, the godess Freia told the Winnili women to tie their hair to look like beards. Odin saw them standing in the field and asked who are these long beard warriors? After their victory the Winnili were called the Longbeards which in time renamed to Longobards/Lombards. Not finding adequate food resources, they ventured into Pannonia in modern day Hungary. There the Longobards allied with the Avars to defeat the Gepids, but all the spoils went to the Avars. As a result, the Longobards under King Alboin left the region and relocated into northern Italy where the land was ripe and by then the Longobards had a fierce reputation. The Byzantine Empire had spent vast amounts of money defeating the Ostrogoths and now had the Longobards to deal with. Eventually the Longobard Kingdom of Italy was split between two rulers, one at Milan and the other at Pavia. Weakened by internal fighting, Charlemagne of the Franks seized the lands of the Longobards and absorbed it into the kingdom of the Franks. However, some territories survived under Lombard dukes.





OESELIANS


The Old Norse Sagas mention the Finnic Vikings from Estonia (Vikingr fra Esthland). The largest island of Estonia called Oesel (or Saaremaa) was home to the Oeselians, fierce warriors who sailed ships called piraticas which dragon or snakehead prows and quadranguar sails. One saga mentions a fierce battle off the coast of Saaremaa between Oeselians and Icelandic Vikings in 972 AD. The Livonian Chronicle mentions how they were surrounded by the sea and never fear strong armies as their strength is in their ships. In summers they oppressed surrounding lands by raiding both Christians and pagans. A fleet of Oeselians ravaged southern Sweden and forced Danish King Valdemar I to mobilize his entire fleet to stop them. Oeselians most famous raid was an attack on the former Swedish capital and Viking city of Sigtuna. The head god of the Oeselians was Tharapita (associated to Thor) who was born on a forested mountain in Estonia and flew to Saaremaa. This co-incided with a major meteor disaster in 660 BC that formed a huge crater on the island.


Thanks for sharing Ivar, nice to see new civilizations like Oesel.

torzio
23-10-19, 21:33
@Torzio you match my CL36 and SZ37, besides my exact Haplogroup.
What of your CL23, how far down your list....... for me when my true ancestry started it was in third spot....now it sits in twelfth spot at 11.5

torzio
23-10-19, 21:40
I want members to comment and to opine.

After all, that’s why we post results and other stuff.

... and if we are just a little bit more open minded, and interested in listening (LOL), we might learn a thing or two from each other :)

I only look at the 10
and wish I could filter out the others, including the red spots on the map sections

torzio
23-10-19, 21:45
@Carlos you are Spartacus :)


https://youtu.be/u93bhAimFFU

:thinking: Sparta Cus

Shouldn't it be Thraciacus instead?

i thought you were spartacus

Duarte
23-10-19, 22:43
MTA - Frequently Asked Questions: About maps and colours.

https://i.imgur.com/92xSyT2.jpg

Some of my results until 11.55 distance.

https://i.imgur.com/o5mLu1h.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zJKO4cD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/i8HftRk.jpg


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Salento
23-10-19, 23:10
i thought you were spartacus
I’m Messapicus, because:

“About 470 BC ... great victory of the Messapi ... The greatest massacre of Greeks we've ever known ... (Herodotus)”

The Greek colonists in Salento were Spartans, but they didn't control the entire area, the Messapi kept them at bay, until one day the Spartans got wiped out ... (read above).

To find Spartacus you must go to Taranto.

... verso il 470 a.C., con una grande vittoria dei Messapi, causa della “più grande strage di Greci di cui si abbia conoscenza”, come la definì Erodoto (VII 170) ...
https://www.academia.edu/30603195/I_Messapi_origini_vicende_civiltà_in_Soleto_Ritro vata_a_c._di_M.T._Giannotta_e_Al

This satirical video mentions the massacre of the Ancient Greeks in Salento.


https://youtu.be/dxGPNIN2RIs



I only look at the 10

and wish I could filter out the others, including the red spots on the map sections
I don’t get anything below distance 10.
Either way, they're still the closest to me.

https://i.imgur.com/SCRcqbK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZS0Tjt5.jpg


What of your CL23, how far down your list....... for me when my true ancestry started it was in third spot....now it sits in twelfth spot at 11.5


CL23 is way down my list.

Salento
24-10-19, 00:38
Why isn't Spartacus named Thraciacus ?

just sayn’ :grin:

Iron Age Italy (and Greeks vs Messapi):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Iron_Age_Italy.svg/395px-Iron_Age_Italy.svg.png

Ivar of Rasa Bol
24-10-19, 00:53
Many thanks Duarte of all this important DNA information. I am going to start at Caesar level, and I hope for a cheap upgrade later. I owe you a beer (or something else, tea coffee etc) :wink:

So if you are going to visit Finland some day, so we can start our meeting with two local words then. Cheers is Kippis in Finnish and Skål in Swedish (read Skol) :good_job: Btw, Finland is officially a bilingual country. Welcome :smile:

Ivar of Rasa Bol
24-10-19, 01:07
Thanks for sharing Ivar, nice to see new civilizations like Oesel.

You're welcome Jovialis. It feels really great, that I was able to give (by chance :wink:) something new for you experts here.

Carlos
24-10-19, 01:53
MTA - Frequently Asked Questions: About maps and colours.

https://i.imgur.com/92xSyT2.jpg

Some of my results until 11.55 distance.

https://i.imgur.com/o5mLu1h.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zJKO4cD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/i8HftRk.jpg


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Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)


1. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) ..... 8.765 - I12034 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

2. Roman Soldier Germany (300 AD) ..... 9.032 - FN_2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

3. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 AD) ..... 9.04 - FN_2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

4. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 9.106 - CL94 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98
% match vs all users

5. Gallo-Roman Celt Mix Iberia (80 AD) ..... 9.529 - I10866 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

6. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 10.09 - I3499 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

7. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 10.75 - I3313 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96
% match vs all users

8. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 11.31 - CL23 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98
% match vs all users

9. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) ..... 12.13 - I12209 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

10. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (600 BC) ..... 12.19 - I4556 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

11. Iron Age Catalan (620 BC) ..... 12.63 - I12640 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

12. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (440 BC) ..... 12.75 - I12878 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

13. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (200 BC) ..... 13.39 - I3320 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

14. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 13.4 - scy300 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97
% match vs all users


I have yours repeated below from 5

https://nachobeltran.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/dsc06878.jpg

What memories. We are still the same...

Duarte
24-10-19, 03:40
Many thanks Duarte of all this important DNA information. I am going to start at Caesar level, and I hope for a cheap upgrade later. I owe you a beer (or something else, tea coffee etc) :wink:

So if you are going to visit Finland some day, so we can start our meeting with two local words then. Cheers is Kippis in Finnish and Skål in Swedish (read Skol) :good_job: Btw, Finland is officially a bilingual country. Welcome :smile:



Thank you Ivar.
You are too kind. I am sure that I would love to know your country of beautiful landscapes, high standard of living and a welcoming people. Thanks for tips of words of the local languages. Very useful for a traveler like me. I love to trip, inside and outside of Brazil. I am passionate about history and languages learning. I would definitely love to prove a Finnish beer and learn more about the culture of your beautiful country. I'm glad that what I said was helpful to you. You're always welcome :)


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Duarte
24-10-19, 04:06
Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)


1. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) ..... 8.765 - I12034 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

2. Roman Soldier Germany (300 AD) ..... 9.032 - FN_2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

3. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 AD) ..... 9.04 - FN_2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

4. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 9.106 - CL94 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98
% match vs all users

5. Gallo-Roman Celt Mix Iberia (80 AD) ..... 9.529 - I10866 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

6. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 10.09 - I3499 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

7. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 10.75 - I3313 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96
% match vs all users

8. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 11.31 - CL23 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98
% match vs all users

9. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) ..... 12.13 - I12209 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

10. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (600 BC) ..... 12.19 - I4556 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

11. Iron Age Catalan (620 BC) ..... 12.63 - I12640 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

12. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (440 BC) ..... 12.75 - I12878 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

13. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (200 BC) ..... 13.39 - I3320 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

14. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 13.4 - scy300 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97
% match vs all users


I have yours repeated below from 5

https://nachobeltran.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/dsc06878.jpg

What memories. We are still the same...

We two are Iberian brothers, dear Carlos. I always pray for the communion of the peoples of the Iberian Peninsula. All Iberians are genetic brothers. I see with concern the outbreak of separatist movements in Catalonia. These movements are meaningless. Spain has always been united in its rich, ancient and wonderful culture. Since the reconquest Iberia has a single and unbreakable heart. Hugs dear friend.


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Carlos
24-10-19, 14:14
We two are Iberian brothers, dear Carlos. I always pray for the communion of the peoples of the Iberian Peninsula. All Iberians are genetic brothers. I see with concern the outbreak of separatist movements in Catalonia. These movements are meaningless. Spain has always been united in its rich, ancient and wonderful culture. Since the reconquest Iberia has a single and unbreakable heart. Hugs dear friend.
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Certainly the environment has changed, evidently the images that will have been seen by t.v. they are very located in certain streets or very specific areas of Barcelona. It is an ethno-linguistic question, identity issues politically led by separatist politics. On the other hand it is a topic that already bores us in the rest of Spain, they are really suffocating themselves.


And in the meantime there is this:

48% of Spaniards favor the union between Spain and Portugal
https://diario16.com/48-los-espanoles-favor-la-union-espana-portugal/

Reunification of Mexico with Spain
https://www.facebook.com/Reunificaci%C3%B3n-de-M%C3%A9xico-con-Espa%C3%B1a-436960890091474/

PUERTO RICO AND CUBA WANT TO BECOME A PART OF SPAIN
https://digitalliberalespana.wordpress.com/2019/08/12/puerto-rico-quiere-volver-a-ser-espanol/

Reunification of Puerto Rico with Spain
https://www.facebook.com/reunificacionpuertorico/

California reunification with Spain
(http://California reunification with Spain)https://www.facebook.com/groups/112341529466806/

(I opened it and the first video they have on the page is horrible. Poor woman)

Reunification of the Philippines with Spain
REUNIFICATION MOVEMENT OF AMERICA AND PHILIPPINES WITH SPAIN
https://www.facebook.com/groups/862785767116904/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/862785767116904/)

The union between brother peoples is more beautiful than free and fictitious hatred.

Hesse
24-10-19, 15:26
Here is MyTrueAncestry result (footman):
Your closest Ancient populations... https://mytrueancestry.com/img/Viking.jpgViking

https://mytrueancestry.com/img/Avar.jpgAvar



Viking + Avar (3.393)
Ostrogoth + Avar (5.218)
Ostrogoth (7.151)
Viking (8.325)
Avar (9.53)

Your closest genetic modern populations...
1. Southwest_Finnish (7.341)
2. Czech (9.308)
3. East_German (10.03)
4. Finnish (11.31)
5. German_Central (11.37)
6. Polish (11.99)
7. South_Polish (12.83)
8. North_Swedish (12.89)

I wonder, that my closest genetic brothers/sisters today living in Southwest Finnland. I think I have to visit Finland.

Salento
24-10-19, 17:05
... Comprehensive:

... Razib Khan| re: Rome. paper out in 1 month.

the results looked like this to me:

1) no difference between Etruscans and Latins

2) massive shift toward ‘Eastern’ affinity during the Imperial Period

3) shift ‘back’ after the Late Antique Period

Basically, I think it is in line with work which suggests large fractions of non-natives in *cities*. When cities declined this genetic imprint diminished and Medieval cities were repopulated from rural areas ...


If R. K. is right, These could easily be the results of an Ancient Roman.

You = Ancient Roman :

https://i.imgur.com/ePNexm3.jpg




If after 10s of 1000s of years, Neanderthal DNA is still inside of us, I say that many Europeans, but especially the Italians, still have strong genetic affinity/similarity (and Vice Versa) with:

Romulus (first King of Rome ~ 753 BC)
Mark Antony (great guy :cool-v: ~ 40 BC)
Vespasian (republican ~ 70 AD )
... and so on !

https://i.imgur.com/dfDuaFJ.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/NOyC20K.jpg

Salento
25-10-19, 14:53
My Top Match, SZ36 matches :) my Y Haplogroup, although I have another Top Match SZ40 on another Kit.
(AncestryDNA and 23andme don’t get along ...) :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/FbpIuSf.jpg



Salento, 11.62 is a great distance though. So your Top Match SZ36 is not your best fit.

In relation to MTA samples data, My Top Matches (alternate SZ36 - SZ40) are my Best fit. (for now)

SZ36 Q-Matching one-to-one

https://i.imgur.com/UYLA21C.jpg

Salento
26-10-19, 06:23
DNA Spotlight - Crusader Knights

God's Warrior :)

2 Tuscans (Italy), 1 Georgian, 1 Mix (Ashkenazy, Jew Italia, ...)

(Distances, The Smaller the number, the closer is the relation)

https://i.imgur.com/EKoKI8i.jpg

Carlos
26-10-19, 08:43
Mark Antony (gran tipo :cool-v:~ 40 a. C.)
I had believed it. I didn't know that Mark Antony was of Italian descent. LOL

11.62 We take more distance because bones are not preserved as well as bones found in northern or central Europe, which is what I understood.


Crusader Knight French / LebanonSI-40 (1250 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: U5a1gY-DNA Haplogroup: R-P311
Genetic Distance: 14.610
Sample Match! 98% closer than others users

snkves
26-10-19, 12:07
Lots of new Danish samples.



1. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) ..... 4.019 - I0112
Top 99% match vs all users

2. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 4.987 - ALH_1
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) ..... 5.659 - Unknown
Top 97% match vs all users

4. Viking Denmark Tirup (1200 AD) ..... 6.396 - G300
Top 97% match vs all users

5. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) ..... 6.668 - SZ16
Top 96% match vs all users

6. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 6.934 - Sigtuna stg021
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7. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 7.141 - stg021
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8. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2150 BC) ..... 7.274 - I5512
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9. Anglo Saxon (780 AD) ..... 7.396 - Hinxton HS3
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10. Greuthungi / Ostrogoth (400 AD) ..... 7.457 - MJ19
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11. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 7.761 - Sigtuna grt036
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12. Alemannic Saxon Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 7.793 - AED_249
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13. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) ..... 7.916 - Shohola
Top 88% match vs all users

14. Saxon Hinxton (720 AD) ..... 8.203 - HinxtonO1
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15. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) ..... 8.514 - I2981
Top 79% match vs all users

16. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) ..... 8.688 - I5471
Top 81% match vs all users

17. Young Merovingian Noble (605 AD) ..... 8.722 - NS6
Top 77% match vs all users

18. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) ..... 8.783 - I2452
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19. Alemannic Bavaria (425 AD) ..... 9.003 - STR_316
Top 91% match vs all users

20. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) ..... 9.096 - I5382
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21. Icelander Late Medieval (1650 AD) ..... 9.406 - KOV-A2
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22. Anglo Saxon Oakington (470 AD) ..... 9.408 - OakO4
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23. Scotland Late Bronze Age (900 BC) ..... 9.44 - I2860
Top 72% match vs all users

24. Viking Saxon Iceland (1150 AD) ..... 9.484 - TSK-A26
Top 79% match vs all users

25. Germanic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 9.499 - SZ42
Top 87% match vs all users

26. Early Bronze Age Thames (1800 BC) ..... 9.519 - I5377
Top 69% match vs all users

27. Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 9.534 - 3DRIF-16
Top 78% match vs all users

28. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) ..... 9.546 - scy006
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29. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) ..... 9.599 - I5367
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30. Viking Denmark Odense (1080 AD) ..... 9.613 - Revshale16
Top 82% match vs all users

31. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) ..... 9.676 - VDP-A7
Top 94% match vs all users

32. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 9.753 - SZ15
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33. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) ..... 9.756 - BIM_33
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34. Medieval Norway Sankt Nikolai (1349 AD) ..... 9.822 - OSL9A
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35. Medieval Norway Sankt Nikolai B (1349 AD) ..... 9.847 - OSL9B
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36. Bell Beaker Oxford (2150 BC) ..... 9.924 - I2447
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37. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 9.929 - 6DRIF-21
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38. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) ..... 9.974 - SZ23
Top 65% match vs all users

39. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 10.01 - SZ2
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40. Bell Beaker Germany (2250 BC) ..... 10.13 - I0806
Top 92% match vs all users

41. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 10.17 - SZ7
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42. Bell Beaker England (2000 BC) ..... 10.17 - I6679
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43. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) ..... 10.21 - I2568
Top 71% match vs all users

44. Middle Bronze Age England (1575 BC) ..... 10.36 - I7573
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45. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 10.41 - SZ12
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46. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (1000 AD) ..... 10.42 - VDP-A6
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47. Medieval Netherlands Plague II (1360 AD) ..... 10.45 - Ber45
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48. Halstatt (775 BC) ..... 10.48 - DA112
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49. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) ..... 10.51 - I1767
Top 62% match vs all users

50. Germanic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 10.52 - SZ11
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51. Scotland Late Bronze Age (900 BC) ..... 10.53 - I2859
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52. Western Scythian Hungary (550 BC) ..... 10.57 - DA191
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53. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) ..... 10.59 - I5383
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54. Bronze Age Germany (1050 BC) ..... 10.63 - I0099
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55. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 10.69 - AED_106
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56. Viking Denmark Odense (1058 AD) ..... 10.79 - G507
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57. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) ..... 10.87 - SZ38
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58. Medieval Netherlands Plague (1359 AD) ..... 11.0 - Ber37
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59. Saxon Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 11.09 - GRS-A1
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60. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 11.12 - SZ14
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61. Merovingian Noble (605 AD) ..... 11.14 - NS12b
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62. Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 11.15 - SSG-A2
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63. Celtic Briton (1 AD) ..... 11.15 - Hinxton 4
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64. Estonia Iron Age (1 AD) ..... 11.18 - Rise00
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65. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) ..... 11.2 - I12162
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66. Bell Beaker Salisbury (2200 BC) ..... 11.22 - I6777
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67. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 11.24 - SZ22
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68. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) ..... 11.28 - Rise61
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69. Western Scythian Ukraine (580 BC) ..... 11.33 - MJ13
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70. Viking Sweden (935 AD) ..... 11.34 - gtm021
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71. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 11.4 - ALH_10
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72. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2250 BC) ..... 11.41 - I2566
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73. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 11.42 - SZ4
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74. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2150 BC) ..... 11.42 - I5513
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75. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 11.43 - SZ9
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76. Viking Denmark Odense (1305 AD) ..... 11.43 - G404
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77. Saxon Germanic Empuries (275 BC) ..... 11.47 - I8206
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78. Western Pomerania Unetice (2000 BC) ..... 11.47 - Rise139
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79. Western Pomerania Unetice (1860 BC) ..... 11.47 - Rise109
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80. Lugii Tribe Iron Age Maslomecz (300 AD) ..... 11.53 - PCA100_Mas13
Top 70% match vs all users

81. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) ..... 11.54 - Rise150
Top 86% match vs all users

82. Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 11.63 - 6DRIF-22
Top 76% match vs all users

83. Ostrogoth Nordic (520 AD) ..... 11.68 - STR_220
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84. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 11.73 - 97029
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85. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) ..... 11.74 - I3875
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86. Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 11.8 - ORE-A1
Top 66% match vs all users

87. Ireland Copper Age (1950 BC) ..... 11.83 - Rathlin1
Top 87% match vs all users

88. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 11.87 - SZ24
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89. Merovingian Noble (605 AD) ..... 11.94 - NS1
Top 69% match vs all users

90. Bell Beaker Poland (2500 BC) ..... 11.97 - I4251
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91. Western Scythian Mix Hungary (550 BC) ..... 12.03 - DA197
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92. Viking Denmark Odense (1305 AD) ..... 12.04 - G1149
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93. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) ..... 12.07 - CL84
Top 76% match vs all users

94. Eurasian Steppes Sintashta (1860 BC) ..... 12.07 - Rise395
Top 97% match vs all users

95. Food Vessel Scotland (1900 BC) ..... 12.08 - I5515
Top 71% match vs all users

96. St Marys Coffin Maryland (1683 AD) ..... 12.16 - I2097
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97. Bell Beaker Oxford (2150 BC) ..... 12.18 - I2443
Top 93% match vs all users

98. Viking Denmark Odense (1044 AD) ..... 12.2 - G533
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99. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 12.22 - KNS-A1
Top 75% match vs all users

100. Czech Velke Prilepy (2050 BC) ..... 12.24 - Rise577
Top 61% match vs all users

https://i.imgur.com/dB7pdU4.png

https://i.imgur.com/s4gUVcP.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RZFjlGY.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/nZDSL7e.jpg

Duarte
26-10-19, 13:12
DNA Spotlight - Crusaders

https://i.imgur.com/lMZHolV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/aYhqBeZ.jpg


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Salento
26-10-19, 13:23
Mark Antony (gran tipo :cool-v:~ 40 a. C.)
I had believed it. I didn't know that Mark Antony was of Italian descent. LOL

11.62 We take more distance because bones are not preserved as well as bones found in northern or central Europe, which is what I understood.


Crusader Knight French / Lebanon

SI-40 (1250 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: U5a1g

Y-DNA Haplogroup: R-P311


Genetic Distance: 14.610
Sample Match! 98% closer than others users


Our Crusaders fought in the name of Jesus and for the Kingdom of God,

They signed a Contract with the Pope, 100% guarantee that they'll go to Heaven :thinking: still :thinking: :grin:

(Kingdom of...) I guess Jesus is not a Republican :disappointed:

He’s a Soccer Player now, he moved to Brazil with @Duarte :)

Duarte
26-10-19, 13:45
Our Crusaders fought in the name of Jesus and for the Kingdom of God,

They signed a Contract with the Pope, 100% guarantee that they'll go to Heaven :thinking: still :thinking: :grin:

(Kingdom of...) I guess Jesus is not a Republican :disappointed:

He’s a Soccer Player now, he moved to Brazil with @Duarte :)

Yes @ Salento.
Jesus was a great footballer and came to Brazil with me. That's why they built the statue of Christ the Redeemer in Rio. It was built due my request. A crusader like me have political influence :grin:

Carlos
26-10-19, 14:36
Our Crusaders fought in the name of Jesus and for the Kingdom of God,

They signed a Contract with the Pope, 100% guarantee that they'll go to Heaven :thinking: still :thinking: :grin:

(Kingdom of...) I guess Jesus is not a Republican :disappointed:

He’s a Soccer Player now, he moved to Brazil with @Duarte :)

Lord help me to do your will and not mine.

Salento
26-10-19, 15:04
Lord help me to do your will and not mine.

Go ahead and get Crazy, you’ll be just fine!

... as long as you remember to Repent and go to Confession every Sunday :innocent:

(... one of the few Perks of being Catholic) :cool-v:

I like technicalities and loopholes, I should've been a Lawyer :)

torzio
26-10-19, 23:33
DNA Spotlight - Crusader Knights

God's Warrior :)

2 Tuscans (Italy), 1 Georgian, 1 Mix (Ashkenazy, Jew Italia, ...)

(Distances, The Smaller the number, the closer is the relation)

https://i.imgur.com/EKoKI8i.jpg

SI-42 is found to have been a Persian from ancient Lars area of eastern persia

Salento
26-10-19, 23:41
SI-42 is found to have been a Persian from ancient Lars area of eastern persia

@Torzio I see the T-M70
Thanks for the Info :)

I’m not Autosomally similar for SI-42

I do not Match that sample.

Angela
26-10-19, 23:57
Lord help me to do your will and not mine.

I think it's been decades since I heard someone say that. Heretical thought: isn't it pretty close to Muslim submission to Allah, i.e. "Inshallah", or, as Allah wills it? :)

When I was little I used to have nightmares about my Dad being sent to hell because he cursed and never, evert went to Mass; not unless someone was getting married or buried. Well, he went to my baptism I hear, and I know he went to my Communion and Confirmation. My mother told him to be careful, the roof might fall on his head. He went in and read the nuns the riot act for scaring me like that. Still, I told him to always remember that if the car was going to crash or something, he had to make a good Act of Contrition. :) He solemnly promised me he would... Ah, the innocence of childhood.

Did any young girls pretend to be boys and go off on Crusade, the way they did during the American Civil War? :)

17. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 12.11 - SI-41 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

Carlos
27-10-19, 01:48
Go ahead and get Crazy, you’ll be just fine!

... as long as you remember to Repent and go to Confession every Sunday :innocent:

(... one of the few Perks of being Catholic) :cool-v:

I like technicalities and loopholes, I should've been a Lawyer :)

The point is that there is no regret lol

Carlos
27-10-19, 02:03
I think it's been decades since I heard someone say that. Heretical thought: isn't it pretty close to Muslim submission to Allah, i.e. "Inshallah", or, as Allah wills it? :)

When I was little I used to have nightmares about my Dad being sent to hell because he cursed and never, evert went to Mass; not unless someone was getting married or buried. Well, he went to my baptism I hear, and I know he went to my Communion and Confirmation. My mother told him to be careful, the roof might fall on his head. He went in and read the nuns the riot act for scaring me like that. Still, I told him to always remember that if the car was going to crash or something, he had to make a good Act of Contrition. :) He solemnly promised me he would... Ah, the innocence of childhood.

Did any young girls pretend to be boys and go off on Crusade, the way they did during the American Civil War? :)

17. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 12.11 - SI-41 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users



The Tuscan crusader was to be a young boy, white skin with a light black beard, brown eyes, large and round and easy to smile, a small smile on him was already a great smile for the time. He had to marry for convenience with a young woman from a wealthy family, but he did not live for many years and left a man, then his widow married a man much older than her, who raised her son who was a merchant and did not go to any war like her father.

Salento
27-10-19, 03:25
Crusaders ☩ Crociati
(matching samples only)

https://i.imgur.com/eRHjxKS.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191027/ab935c774d2065ec5eefb12ef8aec81d.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191027/4c8c3a2a33b60e13accd99dad4c595ea.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191027/c09a9d6eef1fb476e4ad676cd1828ea3.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191027/6be08c00e62bf9be7f8c1259eb76a4b2.jpg

Carlos
27-10-19, 05:43
77. Medieval Frank (670 AD) ..... 17.94 - CL63

78. Nordic Central Lombard (670 AD) ..... 17.94 - CL63 - ?

I think the name of this sample has been changed now is: Nordic Central Lombard

Stuvanè
27-10-19, 15:34
My oldest relative at the moment is the Vucedol I3499 individual, with a small fragment of cM 1.95 DNA. I think I understood what culture refers to, but I ask if the nomenclature that classifies it as proto-Thracian/Illyrian is correct or if it is intentionally generic and somewhat ambiguous.
From time to time MTY seems to me very (or too) "elastic" with the denominations: in the same way another of my "relatives" among the specimens of Collegno has become from simple "Frank" also a "Nordic Central Lombard"... :D
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/s2048x2048/75521934_488614815057731_8409718292540817408_n.png ?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQlgOK6xjdVWok6EJbix6cZLM_hJcF1EzTss9jsqja-tMk9BOXPCYThyKObYZh4MQo4&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=774339ba02e64c62a037cf1ce8960ec1&oe=5E55DB4B



https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/75456680_3063839093640203_1281067785232842752_n.pn g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQnNC2dVj8CQWuyB8f5arohYsvEoRsPTG2fuaVWw-cUtXcF4_MseTwTYunJF6btiyMM&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=09fb4f335df5148d5a9af75ef14fd5df&oe=5E1A1121

Carlos
27-10-19, 15:57
This is the oldest I have

Neolithic Ireland
3200 BC

Ballynahatty

mtDNA: HV0 ?
Total cM=8.78
Largest segment=6.27 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 89) - Your raw DNA is
76
% closer than other matching users

This is the sample with the highest Total cm I have

Bronze Age Spain Cogotas
1290 BC

I12208

mtDNA: K1a1b1
Total cM=47.34
Largest segment=21.73 cM (5 shared. Sample quality: 45) - Your raw DNA is
98
% closer than other matching users

Medieval Iberian
670 AD

CL23

mtDNA: HV1a1aY-DNA: T1a
Total cM=46.48
Largest segment=27.21 cM (4 shared. Sample quality: 45) - Your raw DNA is
91
% closer than other matching users

The most "modern" samples

Gallo-Roman Celt Mix Iberia
80 AD

I10866

mtDNA: K1b2a
Total cM=29.84
Largest segment=10.05 cM (4 shared. Sample quality: 41) - Your raw DNA is
88
% closer than other matching users

Roman-Carthago Mix Iberia
80 AD

I8475
mtDNA: T2b
Total cM=2.21
Largest segment=2.21 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 24) - Your raw DNA is
3
% closer than other matching users

Carlos
27-10-19, 16:31
mtDNA Distribution

14.9%-H
22.9%-H1+H3
3.44%-H5
1.14%-HV
6.89%-HV0+V
2.29%-I
5.24%-J
10.30%-K
9.19-T2
4.59%-U
2.29%-U3
10.30%-U5
4.50%-W
1.14%-X

Y-DNA Distribution

10.2%-E1b
2.56%-G
2.56%-I1
2.56%-I2
7.69%-J
5.12%-R1a
66.6%-R1b

Angela
27-10-19, 16:57
The Tuscan crusader was to be a young boy, white skin with a light black beard, brown eyes, large and round and easy to smile, a small smile on him was already a great smile for the time. He had to marry for convenience with a young woman from a wealthy family, but he did not live for many years and left a man, then his widow married a man much older than her, who raised her son who was a merchant and did not go to any war like her father.

Sounds like the outline of a great historical novel. We should write it! :)

Carlos
27-10-19, 17:35
Sounds like the outline of a great historical novel. We should write it! :)

There is a story there. It could be a novel and could be brought to the t.v. or to the cinema.


The marriage between a young crusader and a young woman from a wealthy family with pretensions ends up becoming a true love story despite the obstacles of a rich and old merchant who intended to marry the young woman. The war separates the young and enamored couple and fate will be pushed by the old merchant's black hand towards a fatal outcome.

Yes there is a story, t.v. cinema, novel. I could extend the synopsis further, document myself a bit, for a movie script you have to document the fair. The truth is that there is theme.

Although I stopped writing for so long, I have a diploma in film script and t.v. and the few years that I have left of life I did not want to spend them writing. But well, Hollywood could buy me the synopsis, I do the scale too. :wary2:

Angela
27-10-19, 17:41
My oldest relative at the moment is the Vucedol I3499 individual, with a small fragment of cM 1.95 DNA. I think I understood what culture refers to, but I ask if the nomenclature that classifies it as proto-Thracian/Illyrian is correct or if it is intentionally generic and somewhat ambiguous.
From time to time MTY seems to me very (or too) "elastic" with the denominations: in the same way another of my "relatives" among the specimens of Collegno has become from simple "Frank" also a "Nordic Central Lombard"... :D
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/s2048x2048/75521934_488614815057731_8409718292540817408_n.png ?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQlgOK6xjdVWok6EJbix6cZLM_hJcF1EzTss9jsqja-tMk9BOXPCYThyKObYZh4MQo4&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=774339ba02e64c62a037cf1ce8960ec1&oe=5E55DB4B



https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/75456680_3063839093640203_1281067785232842752_n.pn g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQnNC2dVj8CQWuyB8f5arohYsvEoRsPTG2fuaVWw-cUtXcF4_MseTwTYunJF6btiyMM&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=09fb4f335df5148d5a9af75ef14fd5df&oe=5E1A1121

Personally, I take them with a big grain of salt. Scythian Moldova is a good example. I sincerely doubt he is a full "Scythian". For me to get a 25.4 cm. "match", I bet the person had a whole bunch of Southeastern Balkan type farmer. Also, with that large cM "match", why is the genetic distance so much greater than with some other samples? I do realize they're measuring different things, but it's just odd, and someone unfamiliar with all this might get confused.

In some cases it's downright misleading. My husband still gets a match with an "Ostrogoth" on the Black Sea, as do I, but weaker. Now, he was a chieftain, with very rich grave goods if I remember correctly, so, yes, an Ostrogoth culturally, but the Goths must have been a very inclusive group, because autosomally he's like an Anatolian Greek.

Or, take my closest match, with a distance of 3.64. Very close indeed. It's sample SZ43, however, so taken from Szolad in Hungary. I think I get that close a distance because that sample falls on a PCA between Bergamo and Toscana, and so do I, roughly. So, you might say...Emilian. :) Is that really indicative of my genetic relationship to actual Etruscans and Republican Era Romans? Were those people in Szolad actually from "Italy", as a result of the fact that it was under Byzantine control for awhile, or were there just a lot of people relatively like me genetically all over not only Italy but the Balkans, Hungary, and Spain too given all my matches there, before subsequent migrations to those areas, migrations which my ancestors missed? Hungary, for example, experienced a lot of migration from Germany in the Middle Ages, if my memory serves. I guess I may soon know. My second closest sample in terms of genetic distance, 4.5, is from Piemonte, near Collegno, but from a slightly later period. That one makes sense geographically, at least.

My oldest is still an "Illyrian", 1600 BC on the ancestral timeline graphic, but on the "ancestral timelapse maps" for the Neolithic, I get a hit for 2275 BC. Is that the Vucedol one? Then, I have Beaker Sicily 2200 BC.

I don't know why the results are different. Also, my Illyrian "matches" vary from 1600 to 1200 BC.

Ivar of Rasa Bol
27-10-19, 20:39
Hi Ivar of Rasa.

...As for promotions, there was one in September offering the Zeus level for USD 25.00 to all those who were Caesar level. I had enjoyed this promotion. Now we can only wait for other promotions. Cheers.


Cheers, here´s a new Zeus :good_job:

(USD 50 promotion from Caesar)

Ivar of Rasa Bol
27-10-19, 20:58
As a beginner I need help of you experts, thank you. I ordered from MyTrueAncestry Level 4 at first, and soon I got an offer to update to Level 5 by paying 50 USD. So now I can see the Deep Dive results also.

These nearest alleged relatives have different haplogroups than I have! Are the segment hits only coincidences? Does the relationship still exist between us? And if, so why? My Y-DNA is I1-M253 and mtDNA is U5b2a6

You have ancient relatives! (you share identified DNA segments)Info (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

Medieval Oeselian Saaremaa 1270 AD IIa

mtDNA: H3h1Y-DNA: N3a3a
Total cM=6.29
Largest segment=6.29 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 39) - Your raw DNA is
21
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 3

6.29 cM


Viking Norse Iceland 935 AD TGS-A1

mtDNA: T2e1Y-DNA: R1b1a1a2a1a2d
Total cM=5.75
Largest segment=5.75 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 48) - Your raw DNA is
24
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 3

5.75 cM


Czech Bilina CWC 2625 BC I6695

mtDNA: H2a3 ?
Total cM=9.06
Largest segment=5.44 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 42) - Your raw DNA is
52
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 3

3.62 cM

Chr. 17

5.44 cM


Nordic Lombard 670 AD CL93

mtDNA: J2b1Y-DNA: R1b
Total cM=4.19
Largest segment=4.19 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is
22
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 17

4.19 cM


Late Medieval Livonia 1585 AD IVLS09KT

mtDNA: H2a1Y-DNA: J2b2
Total cM=3.58
Largest segment=3.58 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 22) - Your raw DNA is
3
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 1

3.58 cM


Nordic Lombard 670 AD CL84

mtDNA: H49a2Y-DNA: R1b
Total cM=8.81
Largest segment=3.3 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 18) - Your raw DNA is
78
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 2

2.67 cM


Chr. 15

2.83 cM

Chr. 17

3.3 cM


Viking Norse Iceland 935 AD DKS-A1

mtDNA: U5a1hY-DNA: R1a1a1b1a3
Total cM=2.39
Largest segment=2.39 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 28) - Your raw DNA is
39
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 6

2.39 cM







This last one is the only one, who shares the same U5 than I have.

Viking Norse Iceland

935 AD DKS-A1 mtDNA: U5a1h

Duarte
27-10-19, 23:14
Cheers, here´s a new Zeus :good_job:

(USD 50 promotion from Caesar)

Hi Ivar. Cool. An upgrade with 50% discount is very interesting. Congratulations.:good_job::smile:

Salento
29-10-19, 01:04
I noticed that my new matches were all struggling with a variety of Skin Conditions :petrified:

https://i.imgur.com/5FVTlcr.jpg

Duarte
29-10-19, 01:53
I noticed that my new matches were all struggling with a variety of Skin Conditions :petrified:



https://i.imgur.com/5FVTlcr.jpg

A leper and a black plague victim. You are a walking biological weapon. I'm running from you. I hope it's not contagious over the internet. LOL. :confused2::startled::petrified::petrified::shocke d::thinking::laughing:

Salento
29-10-19, 02:02
A leper and a black plague victim. You are a walking biological weapon. I'm running from you. I hope it's not contagious over the internet. LOL. :confused2::startled::petrified::petrified::shocke d::thinking::laughing:

My Virus can penetrate you Firewall LOL LoL / ...got a Flu Shot last week :grin:

Duarte
29-10-19, 02:07
My Virus can penetrate you Firewall LOL LoL / ...got a Flu Shot last week :grin:

OMG. I will reconfigure my firewall. :shocked::petrified::sad-2:

Joey37
29-10-19, 03:11
I don't match with any of the Crusaders, but almost all of the gladiators. The only one I don't match with-and the second one on the list is a deep dive match that I am 98% closer than the other deep dive sharers-is the Egyptian/Near Eastern one. And it makes sense, as I am 61.3% British Isles on 23andMe, and 73% British Isles on Ancestry. In fact, I have lines from Yorkshire-where the gladiators fought-and more recently nearby Lancashire, which is my number 2 United Kingdom region in 23andMe (after Greater London, which almost everyone gets)

Duarte
29-10-19, 03:39
I don't match with any of the Crusaders, but almost all of the gladiators. The only one I don't match with-and the second one on the list is a deep dive match that I am 98% closer than the other deep dive sharers-is the Egyptian/Near Eastern one. And it makes sense, as I am 61.3% British Isles on 23andMe, and 73% British Isles on Ancestry. In fact, I have lines from Yorkshire-where the gladiators fought-and more recently nearby Lancashire, which is my number 2 United Kingdom region in 23andMe (after Greater London, which almost everyone gets)

I have as one of my spotlights the Celtic Briton Gladiator York 6DRIF-22 (250 AD). The poor 6DRIF-22 has a skull injury as well as a stab to the neck - his extra vertebrae did not seem to assist with his fate. He is one of my “deep dive” matches, with a Total cM=9.01 - Largest segment=3.69 cM (3 shared segments). I’m not sure but I think that the poor man probably was a Gaulish and was far way from home.

Salento
29-10-19, 03:52
I don't get any Gladiators, but I would’ve been a match for their Lanista for sure, I think :grin:


https://i.imgur.com/v8c5wDU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SCRcqbK.jpg

Duarte
29-10-19, 04:12
I don't get any Gladiators, but I would’ve matched for their Lanista for sure, I think :grin:


https://i.imgur.com/v8c5wDU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SCRcqbK.jpg
The Lanista was the one who, in ancient Rome, bought the gladiators and taught them how to fight. It was the owner of several gladiators and who supplied them to the shows; he was also the master of arms and teacher of the company. He used a “staff” as a mark of his authority. Yes, Salento. You were a Roman Citizen and probably had the autorization of emperor to maintain this entertainment business in the Empire.:grin:

Salento
29-10-19, 04:35
@Duarte, I'm not showing-off (I’m :) ,
but you’re right,

I gave Bread and Circuses ... :cool-v:

(somehow every time I press “@“ on my keyboard, it writes “@Carlos” instead, I guess I need to reset some settings / Cache-Memory)

TardisBlue
29-10-19, 09:03
The Lanista was the one who, in ancient Rome, bought the gladiators and taught them how to fight. It was the owner of several gladiators and who supplied them to the shows; he was also the master of arms and teacher of the company. He used a “staff” as a mark of his authority.

And he always paid his debts. This is known!

Duarte
29-10-19, 12:36
And he always paid his debts. This is known!

Yes, Tardis. It's true. We could compare the ancient roman gladiators to slave workers of modern times, who work for unscrupulous farmers who rent housing for them inside the farm and for sell them food in storerooms also inside the farm, so slave laborers are always owing their master and never can to go away home. They work, they work and they work, but they never to be able to pay off their debts.

Carlos
29-10-19, 12:39
@Duarte, I'm not showing-off (I’m :) ,
but you’re right,

I gave Bread and Circuses ... :cool-v:

(somehow every time I press “@“ on my keyboard, it writes “@Carlos” instead, I guess I need to reset some settings / Cache-Memory)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIRdMzvsLew

lol

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hccacjhrzeY/XaG5-gsT7zI/AAAAAAAABBY/orPrdoHENAAUnDYWKn_5u-sOu1N0r5GmACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/Romanromanrule.jpg

Duarte
29-10-19, 13:05
Sorry, Tardis. Message deleted. The message was to @Salento.

Duarte
29-10-19, 13:06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIRdMzvsLew

lol

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hccacjhrzeY/XaG5-gsT7zI/AAAAAAAABBY/orPrdoHENAAUnDYWKn_5u-sOu1N0r5GmACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/Romanromanrule.jpg

LOL Good morning @ Carlos :)


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Duarte
29-10-19, 13:15
@Duarte, I'm not showing-off (I’m :) ,
but you’re right,

I gave Bread and Circuses ... :cool-v:

(somehow every time I press “@“ on my keyboard, it writes “@Carlos” instead, I guess I need to reset some settings / Cache-Memory)

LOL You are not showing-off, Salento. I think I showing-off more than you, LOL. Panem et circenses. It was the way aristocracy of the Empire used to keep the commoner disinterested in politics and to pay attention only to pleasures like food (bread) and fun, through gladiatorial struggles. You are descended from a Roman aristocrat and was fulfilling his role as aristocrat to maintain peace in the empire. LOL ;)


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ntindeo
29-10-19, 17:51
Eurogenes K36 Ancient
11499
From prehistory still here. :smile:

Duarte
29-10-19, 18:09
Eurogenes K36 Ancient
11499
From prehistory still here. :smile:

Nice ntindeo :good_job::smile:

Salento
29-10-19, 18:27
Mexican Standoff:

Central Roman vs Hellenic Roman vs North Roman Warrior
the good, the bad, and the ugly :)

Who do you think would Win?

... thinking ...:grin:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/350px-Isla_Cruces_duel_1_8611.png


https://i.imgur.com/rLjDQAI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OlPGllV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0fSASM2.jpg

Duarte
29-10-19, 18:40
Mexican Standoff:

Central Roman vs Hellenic Roman vs North Roman Warrior
the good, the bad, and the ugly :)

Who do you think would Win?

... thinking...



https://i.imgur.com/rLjDQAI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OlPGllV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0fSASM2.jpg

I think the North Roman Warrior, though ugly, wins :)


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Angela
29-10-19, 18:55
Mexican Standoff:

Central Roman vs Hellenic Roman vs North Roman Warrior
the good, the bad, and the ugly :)

Who do you think would Win?

... thinking ...:grin:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/350px-Isla_Cruces_duel_1_8611.png


https://i.imgur.com/rLjDQAI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OlPGllV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0fSASM2.jpg

I don't who's who, but Johnny Depp should always win. :)

Salento
29-10-19, 19:06
I think the North Roman Warrior, though ugly, wins :)


imo the Hellenic Roman wins :grin:

He’s got the discipline of a Roman and the Spider Senses of a Salentino, lol

@Angela Johnny Depp just met his match :)

(Salentini are Tarantati since birth) :satisfied:

Salento
29-10-19, 22:24
10/2019 AD - Top 20 Archaeological Map:

https://i.imgur.com/zuOx8Po.jpg

Kit Comparison:
https://i.imgur.com/oQJNn6t.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SCRcqbK.jpg

:thinking: Why is it that so many of you get a Cool Action Picture of your Closest Ancient Populations, but me and few others are still stuck with Lame Family Portraits ?
I wouldn't mind changing it with a new kick - ..s photo :)

Duarte
30-10-19, 00:18
10/2019 AD - Top 20 Archaeological Map:

https://i.imgur.com/zuOx8Po.jpg

Kit Comparison:
https://i.imgur.com/oQJNn6t.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SCRcqbK.jpg

:thinking: Why is it that so many of you get a Cool Action Picture of your Closest Ancient Populations, but me and few others are still stuck with Lame Family Portraits ?
I wouldn't mind changing it with a new kick - ..s photo :)

Dear friend Salento. That's why I beted in the victory of the North Roman Warrior in your previous post. These yours ancestors, at least in the pics, are very domestic. They are very “home sweet home”. They could not win a battle with a northern warrior accustomed to fighting hostile barbarians on the northern frontier of the Empire. Think about that, LOL. ;)



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Salento
30-10-19, 00:32
Dear friend Salento. That's why I beted in the victory of the North Roman Warrior in your previous post. These yours ancestors, at least in the pics, are very domestic. They are very “home sweet home”. They could not win a battle with a northern warrior accustomed to fighting hostile barbarians on the northern frontier of the Empire. Think about that, LOL. ;)


I’m thinking :) got it:

“The worst thing that happened to me, that can happen to any Fighter: I got Civilized.”

(Rocky 3, The Italian Stallion) :grin:

Duarte
30-10-19, 00:46
I’m thinking :) got it:
“The worst thing that happened to me, that can happen to any Fighter: I got Civilized.”
(Mickey - Rocky 3, Italian Stallion) :grin:

I agree. I would say that. But some forum readers could be offended. But the reality (harsh reality for some people) is that the Greco-Romans in the center and south of the Italic peninsula were extremely cultured and advanced. Let's say the northern people still were rude and still were rehearsing the first steps toward civilization. A incontestable fact, I think ;)


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Salento
30-10-19, 00:51
@Duarte, civilized or not, Rocky wins at the end, so Hellenic Roman wins too :smile: :embarassed::embarassed::embarassed:

Salento
30-10-19, 01:14
I agree. I would say that. But some forum readers could be offended. But the reality (harsh reality for some people) is that the Greco-Romans in the center and south of the Italic peninsula were extremely cultured and advanced. Let's say the northern people still were rude and still were rehearsing the first steps toward civilization. A incontestable fact, I think ;)

The Greco-Roman (as you call them) had a Professional Army (Soldier = Soldato = Soldo Dato, is a Full Time Job)

The Barbarians instead were farmers, or... , and sometimes they got together and went to fight for a specific thing, afte that they would go back and farm again or ...

think about it :)

Duarte
30-10-19, 01:17
The Greco-Roman (as you call them) had a Professional Army (Soldier = Soldo Dato, is Full Time Job)

The Barbarians instead were farmers, or... , and sometimes they got together and went to fight for a specific thing, afte that they would go back and farm again or ...

think about it :)

LOL. The good guys always win in the end ;) At least in the movies.


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Salento
30-10-19, 01:32
LOL. The good guys always win in the end ;) At least in the movies.


The Good was the Central Roman, I chose the Bad: the Hellenic Roman. LOL

Bad vs Ugly = It’s a Draw (pareggio) :smile:

... if the Good guy wins, we both lose :)

Joey37
30-10-19, 01:36
11500Yeah, I have a good portrait of my conquering Visigoths! (with Eurogenes K36 map)11501

Duarte
30-10-19, 01:49
11500Yeah, I have a good portrait of my conquering Visigoths! (with Eurogenes K36 map)11501

Yes, Joey. The figure of the visigoths riding their horses is imposing. Although the first figure that appears in my ancestry is that of a quiet Gallo-Roman, I am also a Visigoth. Someone saw @Salento around here? LOL.

https://i.imgur.com/ppK5uU8.png


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Salento
30-10-19, 01:53
@Duarte your Gaul looks like Trump :grin:

Duarte
30-10-19, 01:54
@Duarte your Gaul looks like Trump :grin:

LMAO :))


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Salento
30-10-19, 03:33
Ryse: Son of Rome


https://youtu.be/WHCB_thzHHc

Duarte
30-10-19, 04:28
Ryse: Son of Rome


https://youtu.be/WHCB_thzHHc

Very cool game. Very realistic images of ancient Rome and the Roman warriors. Great soundtrack. I had the opportunity to spend 14 days in the eternal city and know everything from the time of classical antiquity (Colosseum, Constantine Arch, Roman Forum, etc.) to the wonderful Baroque churches, especially Santa Maria Maggiore and San Paolo Fuore le Mura, until the monument to Victor Emanuel II. Interestingly, although It’s a imponent monument and visible from many parts of the city, the Romans hate this monument and, if they could, would implode it. LOL I loved the sympathy and joy of the Romans. It was the place in europe where I felt most at home.


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matty74
30-10-19, 06:15
It appears they changed the "Pict" to Nordic Lombard/Celt mix

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)
1. Celtic Mix Lombard (670 AD) ..... 4.462 - CL83 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

2. Early Bronze Age Thames (1800 BC) ..... 5.02 - I5377 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

3. Scotland Late Bronze Age (900 BC) ..... 5.297 - I2860 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

4. St Marys Coffin Maryland (1683 AD) ..... 5.432 - I2097 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

5. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) ..... 5.435 - I5383 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

6. Lugii Tribe Iron Age Maslomecz (300 AD) ..... 5.617 - PCA100_Mas13 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

7. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) ..... 5.646 - I2452 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

8. Saxon Hinxton (720 AD) ..... 5.708 - HinxtonO1 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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91% match vs all users

9. Merovingian Noble (605 AD) ..... 5.739 - NS1 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

10. Scotland Late Bronze Age (900 BC) ..... 5.824 - I2859 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 5.968 - SZ15 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

12. Celtic Briton (1 AD) ..... 6.111 - Hinxton 4 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

13. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) ..... 6.262 - I1767 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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86% match vs all users

14. Bronze Age Scotland (1450 BC) ..... 6.54 - I2573 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

15. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (1000 AD) ..... 6.814 - VDP-A6 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

16. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 6.864 - 6DRIF-18 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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93% match vs all users

17. Bronze Age Amesbury (1450 BC) ..... 7.094 - I2458 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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88% match vs all users

18. Anglo Saxon (780 AD) ..... 7.242 - Hinxton HS3 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

19. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) ..... 7.253 - Unknown (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

20. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) ..... 7.281 - I2981 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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88% match vs all users

21. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 7.302 - SSJ-A2 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

22. Medieval Norway Sankt Nikolai B (1349 AD) ..... 7.33 - OSL9B - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

23. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) ..... 7.336 - CL92 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

24. Viking Saxon Iceland (1150 AD) ..... 7.341 - TSK-A26 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

25. Middle Bronze Age England (1575 BC) ..... 7.369 - I7573 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

26. Young Merovingian Noble (605 AD) ..... 7.389 - NS6 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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87% match vs all users

27. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) ..... 7.498 - I3875 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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91% match vs all users

28. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 7.624 - SZ12 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

29. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) ..... 7.653 - CL146 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

30. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 7.677 - SZ14 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

31. Philip Calvert Coffin Maryland (1683 AD) ..... 7.69 - 2099 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

32. Food Vessel Scotland (1900 BC) ..... 7.723 - I5515 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

33. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 7.729 - KNS-A1 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

34. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) ..... 7.749 - I2568 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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86% match vs all users

35. Bronze Age Scotland (1450 BC) ..... 7.886 - I2653 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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91% match vs all users

36. Saxon Germanic Empuries (275 BC) ..... 7.932 - I8206 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

37. Alemannic Saxon Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 7.98 - AED_249 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

38. Medieval Denmark Revshale (1315 AD) ..... 8.031 - G154 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

39. Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 8.042 - 6DRIF-23 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

40. Alemannic Frankish Bavaria (465 AD) ..... 8.052 - NW_255 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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41. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) ..... 8.06 - CL84 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

42. Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 8.087 - ORE-A1 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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87% match vs all users

43. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) ..... 8.115 - Rathlin2 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

44. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 8.141 - SZ4 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

45. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 8.149 - 97029 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

46. Viking Denmark Tirup (1200 AD) ..... 8.265 - G300 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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86% match vs all users

47. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) ..... 8.268 - Shohola - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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86% match vs all users

48. Icelander Late Medieval (1650 AD) ..... 8.333 - KOV-A2 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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85% match vs all users

49. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 8.342 - ALH_1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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87% match vs all users

50. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) ..... 8.411 - I5367 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

51. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) ..... 8.439 - GTE-A1 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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84% match vs all users

52. Saxon Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 8.476 - GRS-A1 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

53. Iron Age Melton England (85 BC) ..... 8.506 - M1489 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

54. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) ..... 8.557 - DA119 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

55. Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 8.623 - 6DRIF-3 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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90% match vs all users

56. Early Bronze Age Hexham (1900 BC) ..... 8.634 - I2609 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

57. Early Bronze Age Northern England (1750 BC) ..... 8.688 - I6680 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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86% match vs all users

58. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 8.727 - Sigtuna grt035 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

59. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 8.796 - stg021 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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89% match vs all users

60. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 8.8 - 84035 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

Salento
30-10-19, 06:32
Very cool game. Very realistic images of ancient Rome and the Roman warriors. Great soundtrack. I had the opportunity to spend 14 days in the eternal city and know everything from the time of classical antiquity (Colosseum, Constantine Arch, Roman Forum, etc.) to the wonderful Baroque churches, especially Santa Maria Maggiore and San Paolo Fuore le Mura, until the monument to Victor Emanuel II. Interestingly, although It’s a imponent monument and visible from many parts of the city, the Romans hate this monument and, if they could, would implode it. LOL I loved the sympathy and joy of the Romans. It was the place in europe where I felt most at home.

I'm glad you had a good time in Rome.

I’ve been countless times in Rome, many Italians do,
for bureaucratic reasons, concorsi (State Job Competition), National Service, Sporting events, Concerts, ...

matty74
30-10-19, 06:33
How is this possible?

https://i.imgur.com/BTXekdj.png

Dibran
30-10-19, 15:15
How is this possible?

https://i.imgur.com/BTXekdj.png


I mean, it isn't that ancient/far back. But it does seem a bit much.

Duarte
30-10-19, 23:29
I'm glad you had a good time in Rome.

I’ve been countless times in Rome, many Italians do,
for bureaucratic reasons, concorsi (State Job Competition), National Service, Sporting events, Concerts, ...

Unforgettable Trastevere and its spectaculars “trattorie” with sidewalk tables. Pasta served with wine in the jar: Typical and traditional. “Chiesa di Santa Maria in Trastevere” and its wonderful Byzantine mosaics, in the outer front and also inside the church. Friendly people sitting on the staircases of the narrow two or three floors houses, smiling at you and, kindly, showing you the way to the church, even if you didn't ask. They would see me passing with my wife in the narrow alley, get up and ask: Santa Maria? I answered them: Yes. Immediately they gave me an indication of how to get there with a magnificent smile on their faces. I arrived at the church at the beginning of the celebration of the mass. I followed the celebration with great emotion in the wonderful temple. Beautiful Italy. Unforgettable Italy. Rome: Who knows this city, never forgets.

matty74
31-10-19, 00:02
I mean, it isn't that ancient/far back. But it does seem a bit much.

Yes, I'm wondering if it is a typo or mistake. I have grandparents from Western Norway (Stavanger) but it still doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

matty74
31-10-19, 00:07
Unforgettable Trastevere and its spectaculars “trattorie” with sidewalk tables. Pasta served with wine in the jar: Typical and traditional. “Chiesa di Santa Maria in Trastevere” and its wonderful Byzantine mosaics, in the outer front and also inside the church. Friendly people sitting on the staircases of the narrow two or three floors houses, smiling at you and, kindly, showing you the way to the church, even if you didn't ask. They would see me passing with my wife in the narrow alley, get up and ask: Santa Maria? I answered them: Yes. Immediately they gave me an indication of how to get there with a magnificent smile on their faces. I arrived at the church at the beginning of the celebration of the mass. I followed the celebration with great emotion in the wonderful temple. Beautiful Italy. Unforgettable Italy. Rome: Who knows this city, never forgets.

A good friend of mine is Jewish. She spent 4 days in the Jewish quarter of Rome. Apparently it is the oldest Jewish community in the world outside of the Middle East. Pretty interesting stuff. I plan on taking my wife/son to Rome in the future. There is no Western Civilization without Rome and the Mediterranean world. Looking forward to that.

Duarte
31-10-19, 00:34
A good friend of mine is Jewish. She spent 4 days in the Jewish quarter of Rome. Apparently it is the oldest Jewish community in the world outside of the Middle East. Pretty interesting stuff. I plan on taking my wife/son to Rome in the future. There is no Western Civilization without Rome and the Mediterranean world. Looking forward to that.

Hi matty,

You and your family will love the city. And there is an extra bonus: The Vatican: St. Peter's Basilica, Basilica Dome, Vatican Museums with Sistine Chapel and Pinacoteca. At the end of the tour, you can go down “Via della Conciliazione” and choose a “gelateria” for a delicious ice cream. At the end of “Via della Conciliazione” is the spectacular “Castel Sant'Angelo” and the beautiful “Ponte Sant'Angelo” over the Tiber River. At the top of the castle there is a charming cafeteria where you can have something to eat with a delicious coffee and a beautiful view of the city. Magnificent. :)

Carlos
01-11-19, 17:48
I was reviewing my matches in FamilyFinder and only one of my matches and I have the place where we came from. Most of them keep all the data hidden, even the haplogroups, in something like this so much zeal I don't know why it is if it is the opposite of knowledge. Anyway, I don't know, people are very afraid.
One of my matches that gives all the information has this origin:

5º Cousin

Father
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/lecco-fij%C3%B3-en-un-mapa-de-italia-105728450.jpg
https://st2.depositphotos.com/2197450/8345/v/950/depositphotos_83458474-stock-illustration-map-of-italy-lecco.jpg

Mother:

http://troovel.com/resources/maps/66573_1__11_660x220.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Veneto_in_Italy.svg/375px-Veneto_in_Italy.svg.png

They are two regions that have had enough movement. Then I wonder if I could fit it into some of my results.

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)
1. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) ..... 8.765 - I12034 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

2. Roman Soldier Germany (300 AD) ..... 9.032 - FN_2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

3. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 AD) ..... 9.04 - FN_2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

4. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 9.106 - CL94 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

5. Gallo-Roman Celt Mix Iberia (80 AD) ..... 9.529 - I10866 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

6. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 10.09 - I3499 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

7. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 10.75 - I3313 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

8. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 11.31 - CL23 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

9. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) ..... 12.13 - I12209 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

10. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (600 BC) ..... 12.19 - I4556 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

11. Iron Age Catalan (620 BC) ..... 12.63 - I12640 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

12. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (440 BC) ..... 12.75 - I12878 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

13. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (200 BC) ..... 13.39 - I3320 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

14. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 13.4 - scy300 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

15. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) ..... 13.4 - CL47b (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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74% match vs all users

16. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 13.45 - CL57 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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90% match vs all users

17. Celtiberian Alemannic Mix (520 AD) ..... 13.46 - STR_535 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

18. Early Medieval Andalusia (760 AD) ..... 13.46 - I3585 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

19. Celtiberian Mix Tribe Northern Spain (2300 BC) ..... 13.49 - I3238 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

20. Roman-Carthago Mix Iberia (80 AD) ..... 13.63 - I8475 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

21. Western Scythian Outlier Hungary (550 BC) ..... 13.89 - DA198 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

22. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 13.94 - SZ28 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

23. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 14.01 - I4331 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

24. Vascones Tribe (460 BC) ..... 14.14 - I12879 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

25. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) ..... 14.25 - I12208 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

26. Boscombe Bowmen Amesbury (2300 BC) ..... 14.27 - I2416-BB - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

27. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.28 - scy197b - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

28. Vascones Tribe Vasconia (280 BC) ..... 14.42 - I3759 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

29. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.55 - I12514 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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93% match vs all users

30. Rugii Tribe Oder-Vistula (135 AD) ..... 14.55 - PCA36 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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82% match vs all users

31. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 14.59 - I2649 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

32. Vascones Tribe Vasconia (280 BC) ..... 14.59 - I3758 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

33. Crusader Knight French / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 14.61 - SI-40 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

34. Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.62 - I7498 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

35. Roman Era Girona (80 AD) ..... 14.63 - I8339 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

36. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.64 - I12515 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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93% match vs all users

37. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 14.67 - MJ12 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

38. Basque Carolingian (650 AD) ..... 14.73 - I3777 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

39. Ilergetes Outlier Catalan (440 BC) ..... 14.75 - I12410 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

40. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1440 BC) ..... 14.78 - I2472 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

41. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.87 - scy305 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

42. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 15.08 - scy192 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

43. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 15.24 - OBS137 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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90% match vs all users

44. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 15.36 - I2515 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

45. Vasconic Tribe (275 BC) ..... 15.38 - I8209 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

46. Hispano-Roman-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate (950 AD) ..... 15.54 - I7497 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

47. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 15.66 - scy311 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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62% match vs all users

48. Vasconic Tribe Empuries (275 BC) ..... 15.68 - I8214 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

49. Italy Bell Beaker (2000 BC) ..... 15.71 - I2478 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

50. Basque Carolingian (790 AD) ..... 15.77 - I7673 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

51. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 15.95 - I12516 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

52. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 16.03 - I12644 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

53. Medieval France Saint-Laurent-de-la-Cabrerisse (1348 AD) ..... 16.23 - SLC1006 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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91% match vs all users

54. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 16.23 - VAD001 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

55. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 16.42 - I4332 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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91% match vs all users

56. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 16.42 - I5769 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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91% match vs all users

57. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) ..... 16.45 - I3982 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

58. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 16.49 - I2644 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

59. Ostrogoth Mix (495 AD) ..... 16.5 - AEH_1 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

60. Morisco Convert Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 16.58 - I7425 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

61. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas I (1500 BC) ..... 16.6 - I3493 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

62. Iron Age Catalan (680 BC) ..... 16.61 - I12641 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

63. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (280 BC) ..... 16.67 - I3327 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

64. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 16.7 - I2514 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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91% match vs all users

65. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 16.78 - scy304 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

66. Carthago-Maghrebi Andalusia (1200 AD) ..... 16.9 - I7457 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

67. Ilercavones Catalan (200 BC) ..... 17.01 - I3321 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

68. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 17.02 - SZ45 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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65% match vs all users

69. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) ..... 17.17 - BIM33 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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68% match vs all users

70. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (440 BC) ..... 17.36 - I12877 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

71. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) ..... 17.38 - CL47 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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46% match vs all users

72. Pre-Roman Girona (280 BC) ..... 17.5 - I3324 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

73. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 17.58 - I3981 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

74. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1440 BC) ..... 17.6 - I1840 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

75. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 17.64 - OBS116 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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51% match vs all users

76. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 17.66 - VAD005 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

77. Celtibertian Mix (275 BC) ..... 17.78 - I8203 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

78. Nordic Central Lombard (670 AD) ..... 17.94 - CL63 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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44% match vs all users

79. Czech Velke Prilepy (2050 BC) ..... 18.08 - Rise577 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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46% match vs all users

80. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 18.18 - NS3c - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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90% match vs all users

81. Carolingian (790 AD) ..... 18.36 - I7675 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

82. Portugal Bronze Age (1600 BC) ..... 18.47 - VO10207 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

83. Scythian Outlier Hungary (550 BC) ..... 18.52 - DA195 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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84% match vs all users

84. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) ..... 18.56 - GTE-A1 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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47% match vs all users

85. Halstatt Celt (775 BC) ..... 18.89 - DA111 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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93% match vs all users

86. Pre-Indo European Tribe (1440 BC) ..... 18.92 - I2471 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

87. Iron Age Catalan (650 BC) ..... 18.96 - I3776 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

88. Pre-Indo European Tribe (1440 BC) ..... 19.01 - I2470 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

89. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 19.12 - I12647 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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90% match vs all users

90. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) ..... 19.38 - DA199 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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47% match vs all users

91. Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 19.58 - 6DRIF-22 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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43% match vs all users

92. Visigoth Frankish Girona (550 AD) ..... 19.59 - I12032 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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39% match vs all users

93. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 19.78 - VAD004 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

94. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 19.79 - I2647 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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90% match vs all users

95. Bronze Age Loma del Puerco (1800 BC) ..... 19.86 - I7162 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

96. Thuringii Tribe (420 AD) ..... 19.89 - AED_1108 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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39% match vs all users

97. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 19.91 - CL36 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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81% match vs all users

98. Bell Beaker Southern France (2120 BC) ..... 19.96 - I3874 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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59% match vs all users

99. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) ..... 19.97 - CL102 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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36% match vs all users

100. Germanic Mixed Tribe (505 AD) ..... 19.97 - AED513 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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49% match vs all users

Salento
02-11-19, 04:59
Y-DNA Summary for T

Royal Haplogroup:

T1a - Central Roman SZ36 (Top Match)

T-CTS9882 - Roman Era Citizen / Lebanon QED-2

T1a - Medieval Iberian CL23
https://i.imgur.com/dT5328z.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SCRcqbK.jpg

torzio
02-11-19, 05:31
I was reviewing my matches in FamilyFinder and only one of my matches and I have the place where we came from. Most of them keep all the data hidden, even the haplogroups, in something like this so much zeal I don't know why it is if it is the opposite of knowledge. Anyway, I don't know, people are very afraid.
One of my matches that gives all the information has this origin:

5º Cousin

Father
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/lecco-fij%C3%B3-en-un-mapa-de-italia-105728450.jpg
https://st2.depositphotos.com/2197450/8345/v/950/depositphotos_83458474-stock-illustration-map-of-italy-lecco.jpg

Mother:

http://troovel.com/resources/maps/66573_1__11_660x220.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Veneto_in_Italy.svg/375px-Veneto_in_Italy.svg.png

They are two regions that have had enough movement. Then I wonder if I could fit it into some of my results.

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)
1. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) ..... 8.765 - I12034 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

2. Roman Soldier Germany (300 AD) ..... 9.032 - FN_2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

3. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 AD) ..... 9.04 - FN_2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

4. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 9.106 - CL94 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

5. Gallo-Roman Celt Mix Iberia (80 AD) ..... 9.529 - I10866 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

6. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 10.09 - I3499 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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7. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 10.75 - I3313 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

8. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 11.31 - CL23 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

9. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) ..... 12.13 - I12209 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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10. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (600 BC) ..... 12.19 - I4556 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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11. Iron Age Catalan (620 BC) ..... 12.63 - I12640 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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12. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (440 BC) ..... 12.75 - I12878 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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13. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (200 BC) ..... 13.39 - I3320 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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14. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 13.4 - scy300 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

15. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) ..... 13.4 - CL47b (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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74% match vs all users

16. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 13.45 - CL57 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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90% match vs all users

17. Celtiberian Alemannic Mix (520 AD) ..... 13.46 - STR_535 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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18. Early Medieval Andalusia (760 AD) ..... 13.46 - I3585 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

19. Celtiberian Mix Tribe Northern Spain (2300 BC) ..... 13.49 - I3238 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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20. Roman-Carthago Mix Iberia (80 AD) ..... 13.63 - I8475 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

21. Western Scythian Outlier Hungary (550 BC) ..... 13.89 - DA198 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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22. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 13.94 - SZ28 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

23. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 14.01 - I4331 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

24. Vascones Tribe (460 BC) ..... 14.14 - I12879 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

25. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) ..... 14.25 - I12208 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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26. Boscombe Bowmen Amesbury (2300 BC) ..... 14.27 - I2416-BB - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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27. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.28 - scy197b - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

28. Vascones Tribe Vasconia (280 BC) ..... 14.42 - I3759 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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29. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.55 - I12514 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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93% match vs all users

30. Rugii Tribe Oder-Vistula (135 AD) ..... 14.55 - PCA36 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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82% match vs all users

31. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 14.59 - I2649 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

32. Vascones Tribe Vasconia (280 BC) ..... 14.59 - I3758 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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33. Crusader Knight French / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 14.61 - SI-40 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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34. Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.62 - I7498 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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35. Roman Era Girona (80 AD) ..... 14.63 - I8339 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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36. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.64 - I12515 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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93% match vs all users

37. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 14.67 - MJ12 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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38. Basque Carolingian (650 AD) ..... 14.73 - I3777 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

39. Ilergetes Outlier Catalan (440 BC) ..... 14.75 - I12410 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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40. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1440 BC) ..... 14.78 - I2472 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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41. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.87 - scy305 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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42. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 15.08 - scy192 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

43. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 15.24 - OBS137 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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90% match vs all users

44. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 15.36 - I2515 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

45. Vasconic Tribe (275 BC) ..... 15.38 - I8209 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

46. Hispano-Roman-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate (950 AD) ..... 15.54 - I7497 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

47. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 15.66 - scy311 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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62% match vs all users

48. Vasconic Tribe Empuries (275 BC) ..... 15.68 - I8214 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

49. Italy Bell Beaker (2000 BC) ..... 15.71 - I2478 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

50. Basque Carolingian (790 AD) ..... 15.77 - I7673 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

51. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 15.95 - I12516 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

52. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 16.03 - I12644 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

53. Medieval France Saint-Laurent-de-la-Cabrerisse (1348 AD) ..... 16.23 - SLC1006 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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91% match vs all users

54. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 16.23 - VAD001 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

55. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 16.42 - I4332 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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91% match vs all users

56. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 16.42 - I5769 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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91% match vs all users

57. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) ..... 16.45 - I3982 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

58. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 16.49 - I2644 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

59. Ostrogoth Mix (495 AD) ..... 16.5 - AEH_1 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

60. Morisco Convert Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 16.58 - I7425 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

61. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas I (1500 BC) ..... 16.6 - I3493 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

62. Iron Age Catalan (680 BC) ..... 16.61 - I12641 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

63. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (280 BC) ..... 16.67 - I3327 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

64. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 16.7 - I2514 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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91% match vs all users

65. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 16.78 - scy304 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

66. Carthago-Maghrebi Andalusia (1200 AD) ..... 16.9 - I7457 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

67. Ilercavones Catalan (200 BC) ..... 17.01 - I3321 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

68. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 17.02 - SZ45 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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65% match vs all users

69. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) ..... 17.17 - BIM33 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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68% match vs all users

70. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (440 BC) ..... 17.36 - I12877 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

71. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) ..... 17.38 - CL47 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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46% match vs all users

72. Pre-Roman Girona (280 BC) ..... 17.5 - I3324 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

73. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 17.58 - I3981 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

74. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1440 BC) ..... 17.6 - I1840 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

75. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 17.64 - OBS116 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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51% match vs all users

76. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 17.66 - VAD005 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

77. Celtibertian Mix (275 BC) ..... 17.78 - I8203 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

78. Nordic Central Lombard (670 AD) ..... 17.94 - CL63 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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44% match vs all users

79. Czech Velke Prilepy (2050 BC) ..... 18.08 - Rise577 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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46% match vs all users

80. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 18.18 - NS3c - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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90% match vs all users

81. Carolingian (790 AD) ..... 18.36 - I7675 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

82. Portugal Bronze Age (1600 BC) ..... 18.47 - VO10207 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

83. Scythian Outlier Hungary (550 BC) ..... 18.52 - DA195 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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84% match vs all users

84. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) ..... 18.56 - GTE-A1 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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47% match vs all users

85. Halstatt Celt (775 BC) ..... 18.89 - DA111 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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93% match vs all users

86. Pre-Indo European Tribe (1440 BC) ..... 18.92 - I2471 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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87. Iron Age Catalan (650 BC) ..... 18.96 - I3776 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

88. Pre-Indo European Tribe (1440 BC) ..... 19.01 - I2470 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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89. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 19.12 - I12647 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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90% match vs all users

90. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) ..... 19.38 - DA199 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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47% match vs all users

91. Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 19.58 - 6DRIF-22 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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43% match vs all users

92. Visigoth Frankish Girona (550 AD) ..... 19.59 - I12032 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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39% match vs all users

93. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 19.78 - VAD004 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

94. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 19.79 - I2647 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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90% match vs all users

95. Bronze Age Loma del Puerco (1800 BC) ..... 19.86 - I7162 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96. Thuringii Tribe (420 AD) ..... 19.89 - AED_1108 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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39% match vs all users

97. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 19.91 - CL36 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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81% match vs all users

98. Bell Beaker Southern France (2120 BC) ..... 19.96 - I3874 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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59% match vs all users

99. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) ..... 19.97 - CL102 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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36% match vs all users

100. Germanic Mixed Tribe (505 AD) ..... 19.97 - AED513 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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49% match vs all users

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Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)
1. Celtic Mix Lombard (670 AD) ..... 4.462 - CL83 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

2. Early Bronze Age Thames (1800 BC) ..... 5.02 - I5377 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

3. Scotland Late Bronze Age (900 BC) ..... 5.297 - I2860 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

4. St Marys Coffin Maryland (1683 AD) ..... 5.432 - I2097 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

5. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) ..... 5.435 - I5383 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

6. Lugii Tribe Iron Age Maslomecz (300 AD) ..... 5.617 - PCA100_Mas13 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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7. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) ..... 5.646 - I2452 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

8. Saxon Hinxton (720 AD) ..... 5.708 - HinxtonO1 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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91% match vs all users

9. Merovingian Noble (605 AD) ..... 5.739 - NS1 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

10. Scotland Late Bronze Age (900 BC) ..... 5.824 - I2859 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 5.968 - SZ15 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

12. Celtic Briton (1 AD) ..... 6.111 - Hinxton 4 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

13. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) ..... 6.262 - I1767 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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86% match vs all users

14. Bronze Age Scotland (1450 BC) ..... 6.54 - I2573 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

15. Viking Denmark Odense (1250 AD) ..... 6.759 - G48 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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88% match vs all users

16. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (1000 AD) ..... 6.814 - VDP-A6 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

17. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 6.864 - 6DRIF-18 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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93% match vs all users

18. Bronze Age Amesbury (1450 BC) ..... 7.094 - I2458 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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88% match vs all users

19. Anglo Saxon (780 AD) ..... 7.242 - Hinxton HS3 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

20. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) ..... 7.253 - Unknown (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

21. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) ..... 7.281 - I2981 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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88% match vs all users

22. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 7.302 - SSJ-A2 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

23. Medieval Norway Sankt Nikolai B (1349 AD) ..... 7.33 - OSL9B - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

24. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) ..... 7.336 - CL92 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

25. Viking Saxon Iceland (1150 AD) ..... 7.341 - TSK-A26 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

26. Middle Bronze Age England (1575 BC) ..... 7.369 - I7573 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

27. Young Merovingian Noble (605 AD) ..... 7.389 - NS6 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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87% match vs all users

28. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) ..... 7.498 - I3875 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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91% match vs all users

29. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 7.624 - SZ12 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

30. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) ..... 7.653 - CL146 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

31. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 7.677 - SZ14 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

32. Philip Calvert Coffin Maryland (1683 AD) ..... 7.69 - 2099 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

33. Food Vessel Scotland (1900 BC) ..... 7.723 - I5515 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

34. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 7.729 - KNS-A1 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

35. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) ..... 7.749 - I2568 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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86% match vs all users

36. Bronze Age Scotland (1450 BC) ..... 7.886 - I2653 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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91% match vs all users

37. Saxon Germanic Empuries (275 BC) ..... 7.932 - I8206 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

38. Alemannic Saxon Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 7.98 - AED_249 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

39. Medieval Denmark Revshale (1315 AD) ..... 8.031 - G154 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

40. Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 8.042 - 6DRIF-23 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

41. Alemannic Frankish Bavaria (465 AD) ..... 8.052 - NW_255 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

42. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) ..... 8.06 - CL84 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

43. Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 8.087 - ORE-A1 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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87% match vs all users

44. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) ..... 8.115 - Rathlin2 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

45. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 8.141 - SZ4 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

46. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 8.149 - 97029 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

47. Viking Denmark Tirup (1200 AD) ..... 8.265 - G300 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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86% match vs all users

48. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) ..... 8.268 - Shohola - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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86% match vs all users

49. Icelander Late Medieval (1650 AD) ..... 8.333 - KOV-A2 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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85% match vs all users

50. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 8.342 - ALH_1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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87% match vs all users

51. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) ..... 8.411 - I5367 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

52. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) ..... 8.439 - GTE-A1 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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84% match vs all users

53. Saxon Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 8.476 - GRS-A1 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

54. Iron Age Melton England (85 BC) ..... 8.506 - M1489 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

55. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) ..... 8.557 - DA119 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

56. Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 8.623 - 6DRIF-3 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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90% match vs all users

57. Early Bronze Age Hexham (1900 BC) ..... 8.634 - I2609 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

58. Early Bronze Age Northern England (1750 BC) ..... 8.688 - I6680 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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86% match vs all users

59. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 8.727 - Sigtuna grt035 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

60. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 8.796 - stg021 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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89% match vs all users

61. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 8.8 - 84035 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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93% match vs all users

62. Anglo Saxon Oakington (470 AD) ..... 8.802 - OakO4 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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87% match vs all users

63. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 8.836 - DKS-A1 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

64. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 8.875 - SZ7 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

65. Celtic Briton (70 BC) ..... 8.877 - Hinxton 1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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89% match vs all users

66. Medieval Denmark (1250 AD) ..... 8.889 - G24 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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84% match vs all users

67. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 8.898 - SZ22 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

68. Medieval Netherlands Plague (1359 AD) ..... 8.946 - Ber37 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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90% match vs all users

69. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) ..... 8.962 - SZ23 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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71% match vs all users

70. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 8.977 - Sigtuna stg021 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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88% match vs all users

71. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 9.007 - ALH_10 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

72. Medieval Netherlands Plague II (1360 AD) ..... 9.022 - Ber45 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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74% match vs all users

73. Bell Beaker Cambridge (2075 BC) ..... 9.036 - I3255 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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89% match vs all users

74. Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 9.058 - SSG-A2 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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78% match vs all users

75. Viking Denmark Revshale (1100 AD) ..... 9.065 - G43 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

76. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 9.093 - 97002 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

77. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) ..... 9.21 - Rathlin2B - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

78. Viking Gaelic Child Iceland (935 AD) ..... 9.338 - YGS-B2 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

79. Merovingian Noble (605 AD) ..... 9.365 - NS12b - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

80. Viking Denmark Odense (1080 AD) ..... 9.381 - Revshale16 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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83% match vs all users

81. Celtic Medieval Denmark (1250 AD) ..... 9.411 - G973 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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90% match vs all users

82. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) ..... 9.499 - SZ38 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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70% match vs all users

83. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) ..... 9.554 - SSG-A4 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

84. Czech Velke Prilepy (2050 BC) ..... 9.572 - Rise577 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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77% match vs all users

85. Western Scythian Hungary (550 BC) ..... 9.617 - DA194 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

86. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) ..... 9.659 - I0112 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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86% match vs all users

87. Merovingian Lord (605 AD) ..... 9.659 - NS9 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

88. Anglo Saxon (720 AD) ..... 9.799 - Hinxton HS1 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

89. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 9.804 - SZ8 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

90. Alemanni Norse Mix (520 AD) ..... 9.832 - AED_1119 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

91. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) ..... 9.849 - CL145 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

92. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 9.906 - SZ9 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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88% match vs all users

93. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) ..... 9.916 - I12162 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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70% match vs all users

94. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) ..... 9.956 - Rise61 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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89% match vs all users

95. Celt Medieval Denmark Odense (1164 AD) ..... 9.991 - G427 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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86% match vs all users

96. Germanic Tribe (505 AD) ..... 10.05 - AED92b - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

97. Celtic-Alemannic Tribe (505 AD) ..... 10.05 - Alh3a - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

98. Celtic Medieval Denmark (1250 AD) ..... 10.06 - G658 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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87% match vs all users

99. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) ..... 10.16 - CL93 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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91% match vs all users

100. Bronze Age Wales (1650 BC) ..... 10.21 - I1775 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

matty74
02-11-19, 06:51
Merovingian NobleNS12b (605 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: X2b4Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a1c2b2b1a1
Genetic Distance: 9.3657
Sample Match! 96% closer than others usersMerovingian LordNS9 (605 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: X2b4Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a1c2b2b1a1
Genetic Distance: 9.6598
Sample Match! 98% closer than others usersMerovingian NobleNS1 (605 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: K1aY-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a1c2b2b1a1
Genetic Distance: 5.7398
Sample Match! 98% closer than others usersYoung Merovingian NobleNS6 (605 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: H65aY-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a1c2b2b
Genetic Distance: 7.3890
Sample Match! 87% closer than others usersMerovingian NobleNS3a (605 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: K1aY-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a1c2b2b1a1
(You do not match this sample)

matty74
02-11-19, 06:51
Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York6DRIF-18 (250 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: H1bsY-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a
Deep Dive Match! 88% closer than others who share this deep dive sample
Genetic Distance: 6.8641
Sample Match! 93% closer than others usersCeltic Gladiator York6DRIF-21 (250 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: J1c3e2Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a2c2
(You do not match this sample)Celtic Briton Gladiator York6DRIF-22 (250 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: HY-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a2b
(You do not match this sample)Celtic Briton Gladiator York6DRIF-23 (250 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: H6a1b2Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a
Genetic Distance: 8.0429
Sample Match! 95% closer than others usersCeltic Briton Gladiator York6DRIF-3 (250 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: J1b1a1Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a1
Genetic Distance: 8.6239
Sample Match! 90% closer than others usersCeltic Briton Gladiator York3DRIF-16 (250 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: H6a1aY-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a1
Genetic Distance: 10.621
Sample Match! 71% closer than others usersEgyptian/Near East Gladiator York3DRIF-26 (250 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: H5Y-DNA Haplogroup: J2
(You do not match this sample)

matty74
02-11-19, 06:53
Philip Calvert Coffin Maryland2099 (1683 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: T2bY-DNA Haplogroup: R-S10067
Genetic Distance: 7.6903
Sample Match! 98% closer than others usersSt Marys Coffin MarylandI2097 (1683 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: HV0Y-DNA Haplogroup: R-S10067
Deep Dive Match! 67% closer than others who share this deep dive sample
Genetic Distance: 5.4328
Sample Match! 98% closer than others users

Duarte
02-11-19, 13:55
Haplogroup Analytics - Royal haplogroups

https://i.imgur.com/zq75SmA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uk0tLLf.jpg



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Carlos
02-11-19, 14:06
San stino is the same town as my mother in law

As we say here: The world is a handkerchief.

blevins13
02-11-19, 14:54
11523


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Salento
02-11-19, 15:18
Haplogroup Analytics - Royal haplogroups
https://i.imgur.com/zq75SmA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uk0tLLf.jpg

A continuous blood line is the closest thing to Immortality.

Compared to yours, My (y T) Paternal Line is at the edge of Extinction.
just in case ... remember us! :)

https://i.imgur.com/dT5328z.jpg

Salento
02-11-19, 15:28
11523


Y, mtDNA, Neanderthal / Denisovan !

blevins13
02-11-19, 15:42
Haplogroup Analytics - Royal haplogroups

https://i.imgur.com/zq75SmA.jpg
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Duarte
02-11-19, 15:47
A continuous blood line is the closest thing to Immortality.

Compared to yours, My (y T) Paternal Line is at the edge of Extinction.
just in case ... remember us! :)

https://i.imgur.com/dT5328z.jpg

Do not worry Salento. My male descandants will remember fondly the T's. LOL. :smile: It seems that the R's are more fertile and had more success than the T’s in propagated their lineage. :grin: But I've heard, I don't know where, that the "Y" chromosome is in extinction. I believe we will all become archelogical relics.:sad-2::good_job::laughing:

Duarte
02-11-19, 16:03
What is the meaning of this11524


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Hi blevins.

It's the ancient samples that have autosomal matches with my MTA kit. As I am R1b I selected the ancient R1b (I am R1b) samples that have autosomal matches with me and which, in my specific case, are R1b and represent the absolute majority of my matches (see my pizza grafic). The crown indicates that some European royal lineages are also R1b.

Carlos
03-11-19, 00:42
Only I´have crowns in R1b and H. I think is based in euroepan Royal is logical because are the haplogroups more great in the european continent.

Salento
03-11-19, 02:04
Only I´have crowns in R1b and H. I think is based in euroepan Royal is logical because are the haplogroups more great in the european continent.

I don’t get any Crowns or Royals in my Paternal Line.

... got Citizens instead, and Citizens are not Royal Subjects :)

https://i.imgur.com/dT5328z.jpg

Carlos
03-11-19, 02:40
[QUOTE=Salento;589180]I don’t get any Crowns or Royals in my Paternal Line.

... got Citizens instead, and Citizens are not Royal Subjects :)

https://i.imgur.com/dT5328z.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XcpIuEHQHFI/Xb627j7YM1I/AAAAAAAABOo/cIybgXMEMXACMH-NW0fhf5buc2YGufKIgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/YDNDISTRIBUTION.jpg


Y-DNA Summary for E1b


https://mytrueancestry.com/img/Crown.png (Royal Haplogroup)

E1b1b1a1b1a - Iberian Cordoba Caliphate
E1b1b1b1a1 - Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
E1b1b1a1b1a - Carthago-Maghrebi Andalusia
E1b1b1a - Early Medieval Iberia Granada


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_rbKdoiVUfI/Xb621d4b71I/AAAAAAAABOk/-zh628HwdMsWorQ8UBbsfCA9kFhcjJbbwCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/DISTRIBUTIONMTC.JPEG

mtDNA Summary for J


https://mytrueancestry.com/img/Crown.png (Royal Haplogroup)

J2b1a - Ilergetes Tribe Catalan
J1c1 - Ilergetes Tribe Catalan
J2b1a2 - Bronze Age Northern Spain
J2a1a1 - Pre-Indo European Tribe
J1c3 - Bronze Age Northern Spain



It is based on what there is but, there are missing noble samples and what has not been found? ah!
I am of the nobility and through my veins runs blue blood; Although I lost the papers.

matty74
03-11-19, 19:35
https://i.imgur.com/jJqF1lJ.png

https://i.imgur.com/goZxc1W.png
https://i.imgur.com/dzQ5KGF.png
https://i.imgur.com/dxW1UZ7.png
https://i.imgur.com/GHi4bNe.png

Jovialis
04-11-19, 15:43
https://i.imgur.com/uLTmPeI.png
https://i.imgur.com/ycJy0f3.png

It shows R1a, but I don't get any samples in the chart.

Salento
04-11-19, 16:12
3D PCA - Top Ancients

https://i.imgur.com/dfp9Wr3.gif

It's like the Solar System,
with all the Planets and dwarf Planets (Pluto and friends) orbiting the Sun :)

EDIT :thinking:

Are they orbiting in the the wrong direction?
Anti-clockwise, maybe?

https://i.imgur.com/6eWTl0Y.gif
➪ ➪ ➪

Jovialis
05-11-19, 16:03
New samples from western Anatolia added in the update. I get them in my top 20 samples from 5,000 BC to 600 BC. Though my closest Anatolian sample is still from the Copper age, 3800 BC.

https://i.imgur.com/lMxoQfm.png

Jovialis
05-11-19, 16:11
New samples from western Anatolia added in the update. I get them in my top 20 samples from 5,000 BC to 600 BC. Though my closest Anatolian sample is still from the Copper age, 3800 BC.

https://i.imgur.com/lMxoQfm.png

New Deep dive results, I get the new Anatolian samples here as well:

https://i.imgur.com/dLRMq6F.png

Carlos
07-11-19, 03:44
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XVirsbMj9Yg/XcN2RWdcoBI/AAAAAAAABQY/LhUlgZMRvNgzas13x8b_iTctT0yhBcdlQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/momiasegipcias.JPEG

Nothing and that I am V22. I hope the question has been answered.

Regio X
07-11-19, 23:53
Do not worry Salento. My male descandants will remember fondly the T's. LOL. :smile: It seems that the R's are more fertile and had more success than the T’s in propagated their lineage. :grin: But I've heard, I don't know where, that the "Y" chromosome is in extinction. I believe we will all become archelogical relics.:sad-2::good_job::laughing:Duarte, I'm late, as always. ah ah ah
Fertility? Come on! I'm sure you're kidding, but here we go. There are people who think it's about that. :) As you likely know, I'm affraid it hasn't necessarily to do with physiological fertility. As you likely know, too, the frequencies we see in Europe nowadays largely result from ancient movements/replacements and correlations (see articles below), some of them at times of lower population (which in even earlier times certainly favored extinctions, especially when it comes to Y hgs - haplogroups), so I'd say the timeframe/context may be relevant to understand proportions. The population in Europe was low in Neolithic, and started to grow "exponentially" after ~2000 BCE, afaik. The decrease of frequency in Europe as a whole of haplogroups such T (and G) started even before, and it seems it was firstly associated to the relative increase of hg I, for some reasons not clear yet: wars/killing (see for instance what happened with hgs such Q in Americas), RH factor, climate change or diseases that possibly weakened first farmer societies, slavery and/or elite dominance etc. Later, perhaps similarly, they (now also hg I) were impacted additionally by the increase of R1 and probably J2 and E1b in Bronze Age, which are also "successful" lineages generally speaking. I1 itself expanded greatly in Bronze Age though, mainly in Scandinavia. Did I1 men suddenly become more fertile than I2? Hmm... Let's go further. What about R1b-A8039 vs. R1b-P312 (both under R1b-L151)? Or R1b-BY15512 vs. R1b-U152 (both below R1b-P312)? Sorry, not really. Fertility or akin don't explain phenomena like these:

"The forefathers of Europe: Two thirds of modern European men descend from just three Bronze Age leaders"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...e-leaders.html

"Half of Western European men descended from one Bronze Age 'king'"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...onze-age-king/

(They could have reinforced male line, since everybody in Europe must have granddaddies belonging to whatever "European" old haplogroup, but ok. We got it.)

More:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-04375-6

So, continuing... already affected, those I mentioned at first were completely "absorbed" at some point, soon or later (it doesn't mean a perfect dilution over time; modern concentrations would be still related to ancient movements, geographical peculiarities etc., sure), and the substantial decrease in each case naturally must have ceased at some point, given the successive changes of context.

Due to the "demographic explosian" in the last thousand years and the huge population we have now, I'd say that the extinction of these older branches are unlikely. Very young branches naturally have more chances to be extincted soon enough. But I'm sure Salento will work hard to guarantee the survival of his more recent lineages. Ha!
Just kidding... ;)

matty74
08-11-19, 06:39
https://i.imgur.com/ZoxU40y.jpg

Duarte
08-11-19, 11:11
Duarte, I'm late, as always. ah ah ah
Fertility? Come on! I'm sure you're kidding, but here we go. There are people who think it's about that. :) As you likely know, I'm affraid it hasn't necessarily to do with physiological fertility. As you likely know, too, the frequencies we see in Europe nowadays largely result from ancient movements/replacements and correlations (see articles below), some of them at times of lower population (which in even earlier times certainly favored extinctions, especially when it comes to Y hgs - haplogroups), so I'd say the timeframe/context may be relevant to understand proportions. The population in Europe was low in Neolithic, and started to grow "exponentially" after ~2000 BCE, afaik. The decrease of frequency in Europe as a whole of haplogroups such T (and G) started even before, and it seems it was firstly associated to the relative increase of hg I, for some reasons not clear yet: wars/killing (see for instance what happened with hgs such Q in Americas), RH factor, climate change or diseases that possibly weakened first farmer societies, slavery and/or elite dominance etc. Later, perhaps similarly, they (now also hg I) were impacted additionally by the increase of R1 and probably J2 and E1b in Bronze Age, which are also "successful" lineages generally speaking. I1 itself expanded greatly in Bronze Age though, mainly in Scandinavia. Did I1 men suddenly become more fertile than I2? Hmm... Let's go further. What about R1b-A8039 vs. R1b-P312 (both under R1b-L151)? Or R1b-BY15512 vs. R1b-U152 (both below R1b-P312)? Sorry, not really. Fertility or akin don't explain phenomena like these:

"The forefathers of Europe: Two thirds of modern European men descend from just three Bronze Age leaders"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...e-leaders.html

"Half of Western European men descended from one Bronze Age 'king'"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...onze-age-king/

(They could have reinforced male line, since everybody in Europe must have granddaddies belonging to whatever "European" old haplogroup, but ok. We got it.)

More:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-04375-6

So, continuing... already affected, those I mentioned at first were completely "absorbed" at some point, soon or later (it doesn't mean a perfect dilution over time; modern concentrations would be still related to ancient movements, geographical peculiarities etc., sure), and the substantial decrease in each case naturally must have ceased at some point, given the successive changes of context.

Due to the "demographic explosian" in the last thousand years and the huge population we have now, I'd say that the extinction of these older branches are unlikely. Very young branches naturally have more chances to be extincted soon enough. But I'm sure Salento will work hard to guarantee the survival of his more recent lineages. Ha!
Just kidding... ;)

Hi Régio.

Lol. Thank you for the always timely intervention. Salento should seem like a sailor. Must have a love and a child in each port. Thus the survival of the T line will be guaranteed worldwide. LOL




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Salento
09-11-19, 00:03
@Duarte That's why I don't share access with my DNA relatives on AncestryDNA :grin:

Who needs that ... LOL

Duarte
09-11-19, 00:24
@Duarte That's why I don't share access with my DNA relatives on AncestryDNA :grin:

Who needs that ... LOL
You're right in do not share. A love and a son in each port, like a sailor. You may not have met Adele in a London Pub. But there are many Adeles in London, Rome, Salento, and throughout the United States. Your matches on AncesryDNA may be a little more than just unknown cousins. LOL :grin:


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Regio X
09-11-19, 03:57
@Duarte
Just thinking... Given this critical "nature" of Y-DNA, I guess in some sense all surviving hgs in each time have a portion of "success".
Also, how many lineages were collaterally saved by this huge population growth?
We're used to talk on factors that led to retractions, but at the end, in another perspective, the changes that culminated in Bronze Age may have indirectly caused the survival of many lineages, that otherwise would have been extinct. Some grew more, some less. Still, it's kind of an irony.
Amyways, we all own our existence to human past, the exactly way it happened. :)
Cheers

Duarte
09-11-19, 04:24
@Duarte
Just thinking... Given this critical "nature" of Y-DNA, I guess in some sense all surviving hgs in each time have a portion of "success".
Also, how many lineages were collaterally saved by this huge population growth?
We're used to talk on factors that led to retractions, but at the end, in another perspective, the changes that culminated in Bronze Age may have indirectly caused the survival of many lineages, that otherwise would have been extinct. Some grew more, some less. Still, it's kind of an irony.
Amyways, we all own our existence to human past, the exactly way it happened. :)
Cheers

Hello Regio.
You're right. All lineages that have survived to the present are victorious, no matter the relative number of individuals in relation to the whole. From a certain time in the humanitie history onwards, the growth of population density made the surviving lineages contribute to each other's mutual success. Hugs dear friend :)


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Carlos
09-11-19, 05:49
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dkeV2cvK2ZA/XcY2mx3cRsI/AAAAAAAABRs/_h3ZPA4Jgx8kAmpsexQ0162zeH6nqzaqwCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/Etrusco.JPEG

Tonight I don't win for emotions. I am Etruscan.

7. Etruscan Civitavecchia (650 BC) ..... 10.31 - R474 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Etruscan (0.0)
Top 99
% match vs all users

10. Le Mans Revolutionary France (1793 AD) ..... 11.51 - LM_406_T - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98% match vs all users

But please what is Le Mans, I have heard Le Mans Paris, it was like a car race, but also revolutionary, what does it mean.

Duarte
09-11-19, 05:56
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dkeV2cvK2ZA/XcY2mx3cRsI/AAAAAAAABRs/_h3ZPA4Jgx8kAmpsexQ0162zeH6nqzaqwCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/Etrusco.JPEG

Tonight I don't win for emotions. I am Etruscan.

7. Etruscan Civitavecchia (650 BC) ..... 10.31 - R474 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Etruscan (0.0)
Top
99% match vs all users

Me too, LOL:

https://i.imgur.com/MVm271n.png
https://i.imgur.com/2iaXoA5.png


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Carlos
09-11-19, 06:03
^^
I've finally taken that picture off.
--------------------------

My new results. I had not heard it in my life, except the Etruscans.

7. Etruscan Civitavecchia (650 BC) ..... 10.31 - R474 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Etruscan (0.0)

10. Le Mans Revolutionary France (1793 AD) ..... 11.51 - LM_406_T

44. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PC (400 BC) ..... 15.05 - R435

58. Le Mans Revolutionary France (1793 AD) ..... 16.35 - LM_306_T

78. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 17.51 - R851

44. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PC (400 BC) ..... 15.05 - R435 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users


Please I've been in almost every scrub most important in Europe. ​Peace for all.

Duarte
09-11-19, 06:26
^^
I've finally taken that picture off.
--------------------------

My new results. I had not heard it in my life, except the Etruscans.

7. Etruscan Civitavecchia (650 BC) ..... 10.31 - R474 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Etruscan (0.0)

10. Le Mans Revolutionary France (1793 AD) ..... 11.51 - LM_406_T

44. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PC (400 BC) ..... 15.05 - R435

58. Le Mans Revolutionary France (1793 AD) ..... 16.35 - LM_306_T

78. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 17.51 - R851


44. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PC (400 BC) ..... 15.05 - R435 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

Many changes. I can’t post all.

https://i.imgur.com/iKeqJJ7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dxzWs2l.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jzLGTUe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JcfVact.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/C7hvjom.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/EnZrNGv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Hxy0zBg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2REo2zZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TpUccLY.jpg
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Salento
09-11-19, 07:48
For now I only see new dots in Rome, Roman in the Iron Age map, and a y T Latin Tribe Ardea, maybe a lost tourist.

https://i.imgur.com/7QthDrc.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gWf1XTt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qlFfjpd.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/aOMl6Lt.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/a8zx9jW.jpg

Jovialis
09-11-19, 12:46
https://i.imgur.com/bFmSBBX.png
I now get Latin Tribe Ardea as a new sample, and it is right before Anatolian Copper age. I think these are the two most important samples I get, as I speculate it I am roughly a merger of these two groups, ultimately.

https://i.imgur.com/MTZjEWf.png

I used to get Copper Age Anatolian as my 4th sample by these settings, now it has been bumped down to 5, by Latin Tribe Ardea that took it's place.

https://i.imgur.com/wVdEhAN.png

What a glorious revelation :)

Salento
09-11-19, 19:51
https://i.imgur.com/bFmSBBX.png
I now get Latin Tribe Ardea as a new sample, and it is right before Anatolian Copper age. I think these are the two most important samples I get, as I speculate it I am roughly a merger of these two groups, ultimately.
https://i.imgur.com/MTZjEWf.png
I used to get Copper Age Anatolian as my 4th sample by these settings, now it has been bumped down to 5, by Latin Tribe Ardea that took it's place.
https://i.imgur.com/wVdEhAN.png
What a glorious revelation :)

Latin Tribe Ardea (Rome)

A Glorious Ancestral Revelation :)

https://i.imgur.com/jNebMM4.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Ardea12.JPG/320px-Ardea12.JPG

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Ardea16.JPG/180px-Ardea16.JPG

More Roman Latin Tribe Ardea Results:

https://i.imgur.com/tTRBNN0.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6ECKd8C.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/2t8dZi7.jpg

torzio
09-11-19, 20:51
Latin Tribe Ardea (Rome)

A Glorious Ancestral Revelation :)

https://i.imgur.com/jNebMM4.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Ardea12.JPG/320px-Ardea12.JPG

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Ardea16.JPG/180px-Ardea16.JPG

More Roman Latin Tribe Ardea Results:

https://i.imgur.com/tTRBNN0.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6ECKd8C.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/2t8dZi7.jpg


Ardea was was ruled by the Rutuli tribe.....check them out

Salento
09-11-19, 21:00
Ardea was was ruled by the Rutuli tribe.....check them out
Been There, Done That :)

Total Premium Map
https://i.imgur.com/yxcwnkX.jpg

from 5000 BC until 600 BC
https://i.imgur.com/DUqyrCL.jpg

Duarte
09-11-19, 21:43
https://i.imgur.com/bFmSBBX.png
I now get Latin Tribe Ardea as a new sample, and it is right before Anatolian Copper age. I think these are the two most important samples I get, as I speculate it I am roughly a merger of these two groups, ultimately.

https://i.imgur.com/MTZjEWf.png

I used to get Copper Age Anatolian as my 4th sample by these settings, now it has been bumped down to 5, by Latin Tribe Ardea that took it's place.

https://i.imgur.com/wVdEhAN.png

What a glorious revelation :)



Latin Tribe Ardea (Rome)

A Glorious Ancestral Revelation :)

https://i.imgur.com/jNebMM4.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Ardea12.JPG/320px-Ardea12.JPG

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Ardea16.JPG/180px-Ardea16.JPG

More Roman Latin Tribe Ardea Results:

https://i.imgur.com/tTRBNN0.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6ECKd8C.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/2t8dZi7.jpg

@Salento @Jovialis.

Congratulations dear friends. I know that the Etruscan people were very evolved, but the Latins learned the art of war better and the Etruscans were absorbed. But it was good, because the Latins carried forward and around the world the legacy of the Etruscan people along with the legacy of the Greek people. Greetings to the Latin brothers. :)

https://i.imgur.com/QCnOvTV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yBgzFAN.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SdM448H.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JvFJKru.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uxLvgfZ.jpg


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09-11-19, 21:55
https://vimeo.com/372110061

Regio X
09-11-19, 22:04
Hello Regio.
You're right. All lineages that have survived to the present are victorious, no matter the relative number of individuals in relation to the whole. From a certain time in the humanitie history onwards, the growth of population density made the surviving lineages contribute to each other's mutual success. Hugs dear friend :)
Enviado do meu iPhone usando Tapatalk"no matter the relative number of individuals in relation to the whole"

Precisely. Funny thing is that this relative number is highly relative itself. I mean, being purposely exaggerated for the sake of illustration, T is in fact just a subgroup of K, which accounts for most of European individuals. :) Of course, they splitted very early. Point is that Y-DNAs change permanently, no matter the labels.

If you allow me some mental exercises, without intending to be really surgical, but trying to think out of the box, I was just thinking (as someone interested in Y-DNA)...
Strictly, if by "success", an elastic term, we mean relative growth/expansion (not just absolute numbers, since forces/correlations change over time, and since in fact most of macro-hgs must have experienced growth in the last thousands of years when it comes to absolute numbers) and by non-success we mean relative retraction, which also implies some sort of virtual competition, then place and timeframe is again important. We usually talk on macro-haplogroups. In fact, we "personified" them, which may be misleading. But in each period and each area, under different forces, there will be other virtual actors (subclades) "competing" with one another, so to speak, even when they belong to the same macro-haplogroup (mind you, first of all, they are letters and numbers that represent a set of specific shared mutations, but their subclades may be somewhat distant from each other in time and then in number of shared mutations too; rigorously, every individual is unique, and the actual competition happens between people - in the past strongly correlated to certain hgs, but not that much anymore -; so people may be more "objectivelly" successful in some manner). And hgs won't "thrive" everywhere and everytime. In this sense, again, success would be more linked with expansion than to absolute frequency, be it over space, be it over time in a specific area, a thing that depends, again, on the context discussed, and we know it always changes. (But as suggested, victory may mean surviving to certain "accidents", or casualities. I.e., just surviving, even with all adversities imposed, may be also a kind of victory sometimes. So, it's not always a matter of suplanting competitors, but also of overcoming "circumstances". We're used to think that a lineage is only "successful" if it's frequent "everywhere" or very frequent somewhere. Well, in certain way, perhaps, but "success" must be then properly defined. I don't want to be relativistic, btw, but this complex subject itself seems to be highly "relative"; binary reasoning may led us to a wrong way.) :)

Back to the initial point. For example, due to some sort of correlation, you may have a certain set of closely related ascendant/descendant clades which experienced a comparative high expansion in number and frequency between 5000-4000 years ago, causing a very high frequency of these clades even thousands of years later, but hypothetically you can have younger related subclades - then in a different context - that experienced a retraction even if compared to subclades from different and now "absorbed" macro-haplogroups. There must be practical examples in each context, such 35% of Serbs belonging to I-Y3120 (only ~2000 years old) according to Serbian Project, while, additionally, ~2/3 of these 35% would belong to I-PH908 (just ~1800 years old). Impressive! It also surprises me haplogroups such R-Y10827, which apparently grew well from 1600 ybp, even belonging to a "minor" R-P312 clade. R-M222 under R-L21 is also very interesting (great expansion of subclades from 2000 ybp). And on and on. YFull recently released a different view that makes all these huge variations more evident. Example: https://yfull.com/sc/tree/R-P312/ . Of course, there must be sampling bias sometimes (R-L21 vs. R-U152, for instance); still... Point is, were they all comparatively super-fertile? Don't think so. :) I-PH908 and others also exemplifies as "lucky" in broad sense (one more elastic term) may play a role, and phenomena such founder effects are just an example of that. But mind you, this "lucky" would include also what I'd call "inertia", especially when there is continuity, but not only (it could happen as well after invasions/replacements in relation to newly introduced hgs and their new interactions in the new place). I mean, relative growth may continue to happen for some random reasons in each context, even in the more recent ones, however, importantly, they'll tend to correlate with some already frequent older hg. Let's say, a 75% hg would have more chances to "win the lottery" over some 15% different hg in a given place and in a given situation of expansion. So it'd work like a wave. But "improbabilities" may also happen, of course, and in some manner that's the history of Y-DNA.

Theoretically, certain mutations that define (sub-)haplogroups could also play some role, but I see no evidence that they are that important, at least not to the point to largely justify modern frequencies (see articles in my first comment on this subject). I really doubt, for instance, that haplogroups such R1a would from now on suplants over time other haplogroups such J2a in, let's say, Turkey, in the fashion of Bronze Age Europe, even if this country suffered some kind of foreign "intervention", je je. Or J2a in Eastern Europe in relation to R1a. Other times, other circumstances. Huge variations in frequency of the same clade in different places, including those where they have an ancient presence, are per se evidences of how lucky matters.
Too many variables in the game anyway, and it's hard to "exhaust" it in ("poor english") summarized texts like this one, and possibly even in deep professional works. :)

So that's the point. What if we compare younger clades, whatever the haplogroup? We could name them with whatever letters, in order to not being distracted by ancestor clades that previously experienced important expansions. Of course, even so - even talking in different timeframes -, modern Y-DNA frequencies/distributions are the most important reference in hand. Some old haplogroups are still "successful" in general and simple sense, not just because they expanded in frequency sometime in the past, but also because they keep being frequent (haven't retracted significantly in the last times). Also, belonging to certain subclade still implies belonging to certain clade (in the example in a previous comment, R1b-A8039 - rare - is still R1b-L151 - very common. So ok. All of this may be confusing because haplogroups are not people. :) This is highly complex, and I think some simplifications I've seen are just fun. I mean, 2/3 of European pop descending in male line from three BA kings? Were they coincidently affected at the same time by different super-SNPs? I mean, the three SNPs that define R1b-L151 worked for R1b-P312 and R1b-U106 but not to R1b-A8039? The same for others below, in each level. je je Come on! Really not about fertility. Anyway, if some mutations that help define certain frequent haplogroups are that important in some way, then we should know soon, as we know mtDNA hgs must have slight implications in health etc.

As a last example which applies to our time, I could mention Middle Eastern and North African subclades such as J1's, which must be growing in frequency in Europe and will keep growing in the next years, due to immigration (numbers don't distinguish it from invasion, lol), birth rate among ethnic groups etc. Under the perspective we're discussing here, it means these virtual entities are being "successful" at this time. Of course, the variables in the game are not the same, but they have never been the same and they never will be.

Conclusion is that, at this moment, given all complexity involved, modern haplogroup distribution/frequencies in general are hardly explained by significant physiological (dis)advantages, as far as I can see.

Sorry for the long text. I'm done now. It's completely off-topic. Just thought about it reading your post and decided to share. ;)

Duarte
09-11-19, 22:48
"no matter the relative number of individuals in relation to the whole"

Precisely. Funny thing is that this relative number is highly relative itself. I mean, being purposely exaggerated for the sake of illustration, T is in fact just a subgroup of K, which accounts for most of European individuals. :) Of course, they splitted very early. Point is that Y-DNAs change permanently, no matter the labels.

If you allow me some mental exercises, without intending to be really surgical, but trying to think out of the box, I was just thinking (as someone interested in Y-DNA)...
Strictly, if by "success", an elastic term, we mean relative growth/expansion (not just absolute numbers, since forces/correlations change over time, and since in fact most of macro-hgs must have experienced growth in the last thousands of years when it comes to absolute numbers) and by non-success we mean relative retraction, which also implies some sort of virtual competition, then place and timeframe is again important. We usually talk on macro-haplogroups. In fact, we "personified" them, which may be misleading. But in each period and each area, under different forces, there will be other virtual actors (subclades) "competing" with one another, so to speak, even when they belong to the same macro-haplogroup (mind you, first of all, they are letters and numbers that represent a set of specific shared mutations, but their subclades may be somewhat distant from each other in time and then in number of shared mutations too; rigorously, every individual is unique, and the actual competition happens between people - in the past strongly correlated to certain hgs, but not that much anymore -; so people may be more "objectivelly" successful in some manner). And hgs won't "thrive" everywhere and everytime. In this sense, again, success would be more linked with expansion than to absolute frequency, be it over space, be it over time in a specific area, a thing that depends, again, on the context discussed, and we know it always changes. (But as suggested, victory may mean surviving to certain "accidents", or casualities. I.e., just surviving, even with all adversities imposed, may be also a kind of victory sometimes. So, it's not always a matter of suplanting competitors, but also of overcoming "circumstances". We're used to think that a lineage is only "successful" if it's frequent "everywhere" or very frequent somewhere. Well, in certain way, perhaps, but "success" must be then properly defined. I don't want to be relativistic, btw, but this complex subject itself seems to be highly "relative"; binary reasoning may led us to a wrong way.) :)

Back to the initial point. For example, due to some sort of correlation, you may have a certain set of closely related ascendant/descendant clades which experienced a comparative high expansion in number and frequency between 5000-4000 years ago, causing a very high frequency of these clades even thousands of years later, but hypothetically you can have younger related subclades - then in a different context - that experienced a retraction even if compared to subclades from different and now "absorbed" macro-haplogroups. There must be practical examples in each context, such 35% of Serbs belonging to I-Y3120 (only ~2000 years old) according to Serbian Project, while, additionally, ~2/3 of these 35% would belong to I-PH908 (just ~1800 years old). Impressive! It also surprises me haplogroups such R-Y10827, which apparently grew well from 1600 ybp, even belonging to a "minor" R-P312 clade. R-M222 under R-L21 is also very interesting (great expansion of subclades from 2000 ybp). And on and on. YFull recently released a different view that makes all these huge variations more evident. Example: https://yfull.com/sc/tree/R-P312/ . Of course, there must be sampling bias sometimes (R-L21 vs. R-U152, for instance); still... Point is, were they all comparatively super-fertile? Don't think so. :) I-PH908 and others also exemplifies as "lucky" in broad sense (one more elastic term) may play a role, and phenomena such founder effects are just an example of that. But mind you, this "lucky" would include also what I'd call "inertia", especially when there is continuity, but not only (it could happen as well after invasions/replacements in relation to newly introduced hgs and their new interactions in the new place). I mean, relative growth may continue to happen for some random reasons in each context, even in the more recent ones, however, importantly, they'll tend to correlate with some already frequent older hg. Let's say, a 75% hg would have more chances to "win the lottery" over some 15% different hg in a given place and in a given situation of expansion. So it'd work like a wave. But "improbabilities" may also happen, of course, and in some manner that's the history of Y-DNA.

Theoretically, certain mutations that define (sub-)haplogroups could also play some role, but I see no evidence that they are that important, at least not to the point to largely justify modern frequencies (see articles in my first comment on this subject). I really doubt, for instance, that haplogroups such R1a would from now on suplants over time other haplogroups such J2a in, let's say, Turkey, in the fashion of Bronze Age Europe, even if this country suffered some kind of foreign "intervention", je je. Or J2a in Eastern Europe in relation to R1a. Other times, other circumstances. Huge variations in frequency of the same clade in different places, including those where they have an ancient presence, are per se evidences of how lucky matters.
Too many variables in the game anyway, and it's hard to "exhaust" it in ("poor english") summarized texts like this one, and possibly even in deep professional works. :)

So that's the point. What if we compare younger clades, whatever the haplogroup? We could name them with whatever letters, in order to not being distracted by ancestor clades that previously experienced important expansions. Of course, even so - even talking in different timeframes -, modern Y-DNA frequencies/distributions are the most important reference in hand. Some old haplogroups are still "successful" in general and simple sense, not just because they expanded in frequency sometime in the past, but also because they keep being frequent (haven't retracted significantly in the last times). Also, belonging to certain subclade still implies belonging to certain clade (in the example in a previous comment, R1b-A8039 - rare - is still R1b-L151 - very common. So ok. All of this may be confusing because haplogroups are not people. :) This is highly complex, and I think some simplifications I've seen are just fun. I mean, 2/3 of European pop descending in male line from three BA kings? Were they coincidently affected at the same time by different super-SNPs? I mean, the three SNPs that define R1b-L151 worked for R1b-P312 and R1b-U106 but not to R1b-A8039? The same for others below, in each level. je je Come on! Really not about fertility. Anyway, if some mutations that help define certain frequent haplogroups are that important in some way, then we should know soon, as we know mtDNA hgs must have slight implications in health etc.

As a last example which applies to our time, I could mention Middle Eastern and North African subclades such as J1's, which must be growing in frequency in Europe and will keep growing in the next years, due to immigration (numbers don't distinguish it from invasion, lol), birth rate among ethnic groups etc. Under the perspective we're discussing here, it means these virtual entities are being "successful" at this time. Of course, the variables in the game are not the same, but they have never been the same and they never will be.

Conclusion is that, at this moment, given all complexity involved, modern haplogroup distribution/frequencies in general are hardly explained by significant physiological (dis)advantages, as far as I can see.

Sorry for the long text. I'm done now. It's completely off-topic. Just thought about it reading your post and decided to share. ;)

Thank you Regio. It was an authentic lesson of an expert on how the “lineages” of certain haplogroups may or may not thrive. In the dynamics of evolution there are variables that we cannot count on such as wars, plagues, climate change, successful or unsuccessful migrations, etc. In fact, mutations are always happening, and the great clades sometimes lose their meaning in face the mutations that, quickly, create new subclades, sometimes so far from the original clade. The clinical eye of an analyst like you can see the implications far downstream. Already a layman like me need something more aimed at beginners, as something more upstream, such as the good old clades of two letters and a number. LOL. Big Hug and thanks once again for invest in all those explanations that certainly are useful for all of us. ;)


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Regio X
10-11-19, 05:54
Thank you Regio. It was an authentic lesson of an expert on how the “lineages” of certain haplogroups may or may not thrive. In the dynamics of evolution there are variables that we cannot count on such as wars, plagues, climate change, successful or unsuccessful migrations, etc. In fact, mutations are always happening, and the great clades sometimes lose their meaning in face the mutations that, quickly, create new subclades, sometimes so far from the original clade. The clinical eye of an analyst like you can see the implications far downstream. Already a layman like me need something more aimed at beginners, as something more upstream, such as the good old clades of two letters and a number. LOL. Big Hug and thanks once again for invest in all those explanations that certainly are useful for all of us. ;)


Enviado do meu iPhone usando TapatalkDear friend, I'm not exactly an expert, but I'm glad my post was helpful in some way. :)
Hugs.

Cheers

Salento
10-11-19, 16:50
Roman Latin Tribe Ardea R850:

https://i.imgur.com/PXaxwnL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/jNebMM4.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Ardea12.JPG/320px-Ardea12.JPG

I wish I had the gift of channeling ancient individuals like Carlos :grin:

I would have asked R850: “What's your name? ... Tell me about yourself!” :)

Carlos
10-11-19, 18:30
Before and after my Etruscan, Latin and Le Mans. tickets.


Before
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3H1PY5lM0Dc/XcgpKVD-EQI/AAAAAAAABSc/0X9ougnAoo053z-v6zRfcOdgsC1g_rVJgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/YDNDISTRIBUTION.jpg
After

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kKIgQfmO4u0/XcgpNjkw5sI/AAAAAAAABSg/86EKFw_v_jIeDgTI9jFAVPE09J6qmW6vwCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/donutnweY.jpg

Before
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4YDWu65gq2Q/XcgpUQxrbII/AAAAAAAABSk/plrVQcsOaikKotcfh3jPwE3yfD48ghl1QCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/Image%2B2.jpg

After

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ta9lfaCGLAQ/XcgpaGenxfI/AAAAAAAABSo/uWyhdpICgtQh6QcLZ84vYUNeAAY7OVh5QCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/donutonewmtDNA.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uhqjVO0qiXI/Xcgx102rfWI/AAAAAAAABS4/VARBdgsKVMM75MOqr_p7oMWXdaquqyUTwCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/ydnaR1a.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RE7nD8A4QPQ/Xcgx5B8SerI/AAAAAAAABS8/h9uOC94ze1USyMfX7R6gMW2QUrhdKLUjACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/ydnaJ.JPEG

The J DNAY has been increased by the Etruscan sample.
R1a has increased by the Latin samples.
In mitochondrial DNA H has increased by Etruscan and Le Mans,
H1 + H3 by Latin
In this case, Latin is (H11a)
as shown by:
Frankish-Gaul /
Lombardy Italy and
Medieval France Saint-Laurent-de-la-Cabrerisse.
The Etruscan sample H coincides in my mitochondrial list with
Ilergetes Outlier Catalan,
Thracian Bulgaria,
Nordic Central Lombard,
Celtic Briton Gladiator York

Coincidence by dnaY
R-P311 - Latin Tribe Ardea
R-P311 - Crusader Knight French / Lebanon

For the Etruscan sample J-M12 - Etruscan Civitavecchia there is a coincidence of J but not J-M12

I'm spinning.

7. Etruscan Civitavecchia (650 BC) ..... 10.31 - R474 -
Modern Group
1. Spanish_Cantabria (8.376)
2. Spanish_Cataluna (9.761)
3. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (10.05)
4. Spanish_Aragon (10.35)
5. Southwest_French (10.35)
6. Portuguese (10.55)
7. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (10.87)
8. Spanish_Galicia (10.99)
Similar Samples
Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 AD) (5.479)
Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (5.576)
Roman Soldier Germany (300 AD) (6.617)
Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (600 BC) (8.192)
Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) (9.271)

44. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PC (400 BC) ..... 15.05 - R435
Modern Group
1. Spanish_Cantabria (15.10)
2. Southwest_French (16.65)
3. Spanish_Aragon (16.80)
4. Spanish_Cataluna (17.32)
5. Spanish_Basque (17.60)
6. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (17.80)
7. French_Basque (17.81)
8. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (18.04)
Similar Samples
Vasconic Tribe Empuries (275 BC) (4.092)
Roman Era Girona (80 AD) (4.845)
Carolingian (790 AD) (5.824)
Vasconic Tribe (275 BC) (5.831)
Celtibertian Mix (275 BC) (6.001)

78. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 17.51 - R851
Modern Group
1. Spanish_Cantabria (17.45)
2. Southwest_French (18.74)
3. Spanish_Aragon (19.88)
4. Spanish_Galicia (20.38)
5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (20.77)
6. Spanish_Cataluna (20.84)
7. Portuguese (20.84)
8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (20.87)
Similar Samples
Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) (5.307)
Bronze Age Northern Spain (1440 BC) (6.036)
Ilergetes Outlier Catalan (440 BC) (6.55)
Pre-Roman Girona (280 BC) (6.613)
Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) (7.257)

Duarte
10-11-19, 21:16
Roman Latin Tribe Ardea R850:

https://i.imgur.com/PXaxwnL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/jNebMM4.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Ardea12.JPG/320px-Ardea12.JPG

I wish I had the gift of channeling ancient individuals like Carlos :grin:

I would have asked R850: “What's your name? ... Tell me about yourself!” :)

@ Salento. Ask for yourself. He is in you. It is part of your essence. He will answer you. With your sensitivity you will know how to give him a name, and surely that was his name when was alive in ancient Rome. You, like Carlos, have the gift of creating and modeling images and figures. I see you already like him. Draw a picture of him and keep it just for yourself. Talk to him when you feel like it. Hugs dear friend.:good_job::smile:

Carlos
10-11-19, 21:29
Roman Latin Tribe Ardea R850:

https://i.imgur.com/PXaxwnL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/jNebMM4.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Ardea12.JPG/320px-Ardea12.JPG

I wish I had the gift of channeling ancient individuals like Carlos :grin:

I would have asked R850: “What's your name? ... Tell me about yourself!” :)

Sorry I hadn't seen it. I had the centrifuge in my head circling the subject. I will go to the oracle, I have already seen something, but I need more time. One moment, please.

Carlos
10-11-19, 22:07
The oracle Carlos has spoken:


They call him by a nickname, Caruso, Carusu, Carrizzo or something similar but pronouncing the rr.


He is sitting on a stool in his half-built cabin looking towards the door of the street while eating a beggar of hard bread, there are some pots but they contain few foods. He lived with his mother but now he is alone. He has straight and dark brown hair, thin between 1.65cm and 1.70cm, is thin, his nose is long and straight, his face is sharp towards his chin, his eyes are dark brown, the teeth on the sides are pitted bone with caries. His expression is neutral when he is alone, socially smiles, his only hope is survival. Sometimes something like this has been hidden from the guards, police or army. Sometimes he accompanied a young girl along a path to a fountain. He has acquaintances, friends but he goes free. He has had to steal to eat, the owner of an agricultural property does not swallow it, he hates it. A rope surrounds his hands while they tie a loop around his neck, they will hang him. He lived as he wanted or could and got rid of what he wanted or could.

Salento
10-11-19, 23:11
The oracle Carlos has spoken:
They call him by a nickname, Caruso, Carusu, Carrizzo or something similar but pronouncing the rr.
He is sitting on a stool in his half-built cabin looking towards the door of the street while eating a beggar of hard bread, there are some pots but they contain few foods. He lived with his mother but now he is alone. He has straight and dark brown hair, thin between 1.65cm and 1.70cm, is thin, his nose is long and straight, his face is sharp towards his chin, his eyes are dark brown, the teeth on the sides are pitted bone with caries. His expression is neutral when he is alone, socially smiles, his only hope is survival. Sometimes something like this has been hidden from the guards, police or army. Sometimes he accompanied a young girl along a path to a fountain. He has acquaintances, friends but he goes free. He has had to steal to eat, the owner of an agricultural property does not swallow it, he hates it. A rope surrounds his hands while they tie a loop around his neck, they will hang him. He lived as he wanted or could and got rid of what he wanted or could.

Thanks Carlos, Thanks Duarte :)

That’s Great Carlos, I appreciate your Visions and the humanizing of the Ancient Samples.

R850 name is Carusu (means young man in my dialect)

from your description, I picture Carusu like this:

https://i.imgur.com/MeQCdGL.jpg

It’s a good thing that it’s you doing this type of thinking, because I was picturing Carusu to be more something like that: lol


https://i.imgur.com/zUVwZgy.jpg

Duarte
10-11-19, 23:14
The oracle Carlos has spoken:


They call him by a nickname, Caruso, Carusu, Carrizzo or something similar but pronouncing the rr.


He is sitting on a stool in his half-built cabin looking towards the door of the street while eating a beggar of hard bread, there are some pots but they contain few foods. He lived with his mother but now he is alone. He has straight and dark brown hair, thin between 1.65cm and 1.70cm, is thin, his nose is long and straight, his face is sharp towards his chin, his eyes are dark brown, the teeth on the sides are pitted bone with caries. His expression is neutral when he is alone, socially smiles, his only hope is survival. Sometimes something like this has been hidden from the guards, police or army. Sometimes he accompanied a young girl along a path to a fountain. He has acquaintances, friends but he goes free. He has had to steal to eat, the owner of an agricultural property does not swallow it, he hates it. A rope surrounds his hands while they tie a loop around his neck, they will hang him. He lived as he wanted or could and got rid of what he wanted or could.

Hi Carlos,

Good nickname. It reminds Enrico Caruso, Italian tenor, considered even by the illustrious Luciano Pavarotti, the greatest performer of classical music of all time. I know how is the loaded “rr”. It is typical of Portuguese spoken by the natives of Belo Horizonte and also of Rio de Janeiro. The “r” sounding loaded is also very common in some regions of Portugal, but in Brazil in general is uncommon. Caruso would have a familiar accent to me if he used the well-loaded “r's”. In Brazil, inland, it is more common use the retroflex "r" (considered very rustic), similar to "r" of US English. Also is very common in Brazil the use of soft sound of the “r” in Spanish. The loaded "r" and the soft "r" are well accepted in Belo Horizonte, but children who come from the countryside and talk with the "r" retroflex even become victims of bullying. It is a problem in schools. I liked the nickname. Congratulations on naming our Roman friend. He is no longer just a sample number.

Cheers :)

Angela
10-11-19, 23:35
O.K. I'm going to officially ask for my money back. :)

My husband gets this:
3. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 10.3 - R850 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

And I get nothing, nada, bupkis. ERRR!

Carlos
10-11-19, 23:53
Thanks Carlos, Thanks Duarte :)

That’s Great Carlos, I appreciate your Visions and the humanizing of the Ancient Samples.

R850 name is Carusu (means young man in my dialect)

from your description, I picture Carusu like this:

https://i.imgur.com/MeQCdGL.jpg

It’s a good thing that it’s you doing this type of thinking, because I was picturing Carusu to be more something like that: lol


https://i.imgur.com/zUVwZgy.jpg

Amazing Who is the one in the painting?. Very in that line but straight hair, eyes not so almond.

Carlos
10-11-19, 23:59
Hi Carlos,

Good nickname. It reminds Enrico Caruso, Italian tenor, considered even by the illustrious Luciano Pavarotti, the greatest performer of classical music of all time. I know how is the loaded “rr”. It is typical of Portuguese spoken by the natives of Belo Horizonte and also of Rio de Janeiro. The “r” sounding loaded is also very common in some regions of Portugal, but in Brazil in general is uncommon. Caruso would have a familiar accent to me if he used the well-loaded “r's”. In Brazil, inland, it is more common use the retroflex "r" (considered very rustic), similar to "r" of US English. Also is very common in Brazil the use of soft sound of the “r” in Spanish. The loaded "r" and the soft "r" are well accepted in Belo Horizonte, but children who come from the countryside and talk with the "r" retroflex even become victims of bullying. It is a problem in schools. I liked the nickname. Congratulations on naming our Roman friend. He is no longer just a sample number.

Cheers :)

Thank you, I really must be crazy about getting into these scrubs, but the oracle is the oracle. Finally it will be Carusu in the Salento dialect.

Duarte
10-11-19, 23:59
O.K. I'm going to officially ask for my money back. :)

My husband gets this:
3. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 10.3 - R850 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

And I get nothing, nada, bupkis. ERRR!



Very cool, Angela. Congratulations to your husband, and "Have Caesar." :) Before I visiting Pompeii ruins, I wrote the word "Ave" without the "h", like in Portuguese. But there, when I entered in a house that was written "Have" with "h" on the entrance, I always write "Have" with "h" whenever I am quoting in Latin.


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Pax Augusta
11-11-19, 00:12
Amazing Who is the one in the painting?. Very in that line but straight hair, eyes not so almond.

He is tought to be Terentius Neo (Neo=New, a new migrant I suppose), a baker of Samnite descent migrated to Pompei with his wife.


https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrato_de_Paquio_Próculo

Duarte
11-11-19, 00:19
He is tought to be Terentius Neo (Neo=New, a new migrant I suppose), a baker of Samnite descent migrated to Pompei with his wife.


https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrato_de_Paquio_Próculo

It's true Pax. Very similar. Very nice :)

https://i.imgur.com/yR6xwlM.jpg


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Salento
11-11-19, 00:35
Amazing Who is the one in the painting?. Very in that line but straight hair, eyes not so almond.

As Pax said ... :)

that’s the inspiration, but now is a new Carusu:
new hair, new nose, cavities, and eyes as for your Vision.


https://i.imgur.com/0cXkERq.jpg

Duarte
11-11-19, 00:40
As Pax said ... :)

that’s the inspiration, but now is a new Carusu:
new hair and eyes.

https://i.imgur.com/0cXkERq.jpg

The new Carusu is younger and happier. ;)


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Angela
11-11-19, 00:47
He looks like a less good looking version of Gino D'Accampo, accomplished and sexy chef from Napoli who is a BIG hit in Britain, especially with the ladies. :)

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/gino-dacampo-arrives-at-the-tvchoice-awards-2010-held-at-the-on-6-picture-id103869004?s=612x612

If I had to pick one of the "THE" Most Iconic Italian looks, this would be it.

Here he is tanned:
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/79/590x/secondary/Gino-D-Acampo-266143.jpg

Carlos
11-11-19, 01:07
As Pax said ... :)

that’s the inspiration, but now is a new Carusu:
new hair, new nose, cavities, and eyes as for your Vision.


https://i.imgur.com/0cXkERq.jpg

Very very close. The nose is very successful, sharp towards the chin, super, but the essence of Angela's cook goes around a lot, the nose does not. but that face yes, but in Carusu something less wide. Very very close to the vision of the oracle.

Salento
11-11-19, 01:18
O.K. I'm going to officially ask for my money back. :)

My husband gets this:
3. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 10.3 - R850 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

And I get nothing, nada, bupkis. ERRR!



I’m sure they’ll add many new samples soon, they must be working on it.

whom ever gets R850 (Carusu) has a connection with a very young Rome, besides being awesome :)

your other half should be proud.

Salento
11-11-19, 01:33
Very very close. The nose is very successful, sharp towards the chin, super, but the essence of Angela's cook goes around a lot, the nose does not. but that face yes, but in Carusu something less wide. Very very close to the vision of the oracle.

Thanks again Carlos :)
LoL

https://i.imgur.com/e7l6qi3.jpg

Carlos
11-11-19, 01:33
Any other question? The oracle is still open.

Salento
11-11-19, 01:42
It's true Pax. Very similar. Very nice :)

https://i.imgur.com/yR6xwlM.jpg



what are they holding in their hands?

a Diploma? a Title? - a Pen and Tablet? a Musical Instrument?

Salento
11-11-19, 01:46
Any other question? The oracle is still open.
:cool-v:

https://i.imgur.com/yR6xwlM.jpg

what are they holding in their hands?

a Diploma? a Title? - a Pen and Tablet? a Musical Instrument? Is she smoking something?

Carlos
11-11-19, 01:55
It must be a pen she and a contract him. They had made a good contract and wanted to give a vision of themselves as good, serious and honest entrepreneurs, I imagine. It is more deduction

Salento
11-11-19, 02:18
It must be a pen she and a contract him. They had made a good contract and wanted to give a vision of themselves as good, serious and honest entrepreneurs, I imagine. It is more deduction

They can’t be Monarchic, but they were making good Denarius with the Bakery, and they’re saying:
“We too are the Elite“, ... nothing wrong with that :)

Salento
11-11-19, 03:29
Many of you don’t know that Carusu is been heavily under attack on multiple Forums.

His DNA has challenged the Status Quo idea of conformity.

... think Bigger.

https://i.imgur.com/lAw033v.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qlFfjpd.jpg

Angela
11-11-19, 04:09
Very cool, Angela. Congratulations to your husband, and "Have Caesar." :) Before I visiting Pompeii ruins, I wrote the word "Ave" without the "h", like in Portuguese. But there, when I entered in a house that was written "Have" with "h" on the entrance, I always write "Have" with "h" whenever I am quoting in Latin.


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Duarte, I finally found that sample on my list: Just look at that pathetic number. :(


57. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 18.63 - R850 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py)
Top 94% match vs all users +

My husband is never, never going to let me hear the end of it.

We have had a feud going since we met as to who is more "real Italian". Maybe you'd have to be Italian to get it. :)

Then the results came out with the Mycenaeans, his heroes, and he shared ancestry with them. His ancestry says:

Ancient Greek + Hellenic Roman (6.185)

Now his third best match with ancients is with a Latin tribe.


This has been, as Alexander would say " a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad, day". :)

https://prodimage.images-bn.com/pimages/9780689711732_p0_v2_s550x406.jpg

Pax Augusta
11-11-19, 04:52
what are they holding in their hands?

A diploma? A title? - a pen and tablet? A musical instrument?

"instrumenta scriptoria".

Basically, the couple pretended to be of a higher social rank than that to which they actually belonged.



il ritratto suo e della moglie in atteggiamento di intellettuali, esibenti gli instrumenta scriptoria sarebbe allora segno di una moda, per la quale un ceto di parvenus, avvezzo ad impiegar lo stilo piuttosto per far di conto che per scrivere opere (3), amava usurpare atteggiamenti ed iconografe dell'aristocrazia, facendosi rappresentare con i simboli degli otia litterarum. Un'analisi del volto di terentius neo, che sarebbe certo piaciuta a lombroso, ne ha riconosciuta tratti di rusticitas, "tipicamente sannitici" zigomi alti, labbra carnose, grandi occhi scuri, incarnato abbronzato e perfino di astuzia da commerciante o da contadino nello sguardo, che confermerebbero trattarsi non di un vero intellettuale, bensì di un uomo rozzo, appunto un panettiere (4). Ma si confondono così le umili origini, o la modesta agiatezza raggiunta dal nostro, con le doti intellettuali, e si dimenticano altresì i due catoni ed i molti giuristi e letterati romani (per non parlare di alcuni moderni!) che, nonostante la loro cultura, dovevano essere di catoniana rusticitas nell'aspetto e nei modi, come i ritratti dell'epoca tante volte confermano.http://www1.unipa.it/dipstdir/portale/papiri/pub/autori/costabile/terentius.htm

Angela
11-11-19, 05:45
Many of you don’t know that Carusu is been heavily under attack on multiple Forums.

His DNA has challenged the Status Quo idea of conformity.

... think Bigger.

https://i.imgur.com/lAw033v.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qlFfjpd.jpg

Let me guess...he's too "southern" for them?:useless:

He's a member of a Latin tribe. Some of them were a bit more Southern already.

Big Whoops.

The facts are what they are people; sane people throw discredited ideas into the rubbish heap.

Carlos
11-11-19, 06:09
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dBVU5KvkgEc/XcjdS3rAE_I/AAAAAAAABUA/Nc-9kfByIVkJlcgr_eOBV9NjgllCVS4HwCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/Romanomenclaturas.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8tgK4B1hMrQ/XcjZvzBSmQI/AAAAAAAABTk/OWh_o3jEH_0NbcYFbyimKTCcIiVZQqBgQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/Latinprenestinisegmentos.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PZ2HBniaspU/XcjZrNvaW0I/AAAAAAAABTg/klbjiDa467URJ7e4L6MRASzYcK9j4dCfgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/EtruscanCivitavecchiasegmentos.JPEG

I have realized that the numbers within the colored circles could be the numbers of the samples, they seemed to me numbers without more coordinates of you go to know what.


But well, if that were the case, I painted what I thought was my coincidences with Etruscan and Latin for my segments.

Well, I'm going to sleep at 5:11 in the morning, this being a night owl ...

Angela
11-11-19, 06:12
@Salento,

They're hung up on this, I take it?
https://i.imgur.com/vhdmetx.png
https://i.imgur.com/GW5fwI5.png

What is the mystery here? I don't even want to know what fantastical theories they're concocting. What could be simpler? There was already CHG/Iran Neo in the Italian Neolithic. No, we don't see it in the few Copper Age Samples, but again, I doubt they disappeared. Then, if my hunch is right, we had that ancestry in the southern part of the mainland in increased proportions already, probably, if I'm right, from the Bronze Age. What could be simpler than an admixture between that "cluster" or type of ancestry and the Italics, who probably had some already from admixture with Italian Neolithic people?

We'll have to wait to get samples from Bronze Age Italy from all over the mainland, but is anyone going to seriously question that it's probably it was there since it was already in Sardinia and Sicily?

Honestly, what a tempest in a teapot.

Salento
11-11-19, 08:27
@Salento,

They're hung up on this, I take it?
https://i.imgur.com/vhdmetx.png
https://i.imgur.com/GW5fwI5.png

What is the mystery here? I don't even want to know what fantastical theories they're concocting. What could be simpler? There was already CHG/Iran Neo in the Italian Neolithic. No, we don't see it in the few Copper Age Samples, but again, I doubt they disappeared. Then, if my hunch is right, we had that ancestry in the southern part of the mainland in increased proportions already, probably, if I'm right, from the Bronze Age. What could be simpler than an admixture between that "cluster" or type of ancestry and the Italics, who probably had some already from admixture with Italian Neolithic people?

We'll have to wait to get samples from Bronze Age Italy from all over the mainland, but is anyone going to seriously question that it's probably it was there since it was already in Sardinia and Sicily?

Honestly, what a tempest in a teapot.

It’s also because most Iron Age samples found are R1b, only two aren’t: R850 (T-L208) and R474 (J-M12).

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2019/11/06/366.6466.708.DC1/aay6826_Antonio_SM.pdf

Chances are that T-L208 and others T lines entered Italy with the R1bs, and some even before that. It could have also come with the Mycenaeans, the Greeks, and later with the Lombards, ...

Many are unfamiliar with y T ‘cause of its low % ratio, and when discovered people often act surprise, even though the Parent line of T-L208 was found in a 7000 burial in Karsdorf (DE).

y T is rare but widespread, and it has Europeans, Asian, MENA, ... lines, but many people picture only one line, and when found some people assume, others freak out instead, lol :)

https://i.imgur.com/zCnrp5s.jpg

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Haplogroup_T-M184_tree.png#

Salento
11-11-19, 10:25
Thanks Pax, interesting the show-off part.

Duarte
11-11-19, 13:28
what are they holding in their hands?

a Diploma? a Title? - a Pen and Tablet? a Musical Instrument?

Good morning Salento.

Sorry for the delay in replying. I will quote a saying from Minas Gerais (typical of my state, Minas Gerais). "I sleep with the chickens and I wake up with them.” It means that I sleep very early and also wake up very early. LOL.

Only now have I seen your question.

This is the explanations of Wikipedia in Spanish:

The Portrait of Paquio Próculo is a painting that is preserved in the National Archaeological Museum of Naples and was found in the House of Pansa during the archaeological excavations of Pompeii. The painting shows a marriage of the Pompeian bourgeois and, due to an inscription on the outside of the house the painting was known as Paquio Próculo and his wife. But, in reality he is the baker Terencio Neo. This was revealed by a graffiti discovered inside the house. The external inscription would be an announcement of electoral propaganda in favor of Paquio Próculo to be elected Duoviro of Pompeii (something like a Roman Consul of the colonies).


The baker, who owned the pistrinum (bakery) on the “Abundance road”, appears in the painting wearing his robe, a symbol of his status as a Roman citizen. His physical features indicate that he is a man of Samnite origin, a descendant of the original inhabitants of the region, which would explain the desire to show the social status to which it belongs. In fact, the represented man holds a papyrus scroll while the woman has a wooden tablet covered with a layer of waxin in her hand and a estilo (a type of pen of the time) to write, suggesting the man participates in public or cultural activity while his wife took care the administration of the house and business.

Duarte
11-11-19, 14:39
Duarte, I finally found that sample on my list: Just look at that pathetic number. :(


57. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 18.63 - R850 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py)
Top 94% match vs all users +

My husband is never, never going to let me hear the end of it.

We have had a feud going since we met as to who is more "real Italian". Maybe you'd have to be Italian to get it. :)

Then the results came out with the Mycenaeans, his heroes, and he shared ancestry with them. His ancestry says:

Ancient Greek + Hellenic Roman (6.185)

Now his third best match with ancients is with a Latin tribe.


This has been, as Alexander would say " a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad, day". :)

https://prodimage.images-bn.com/pimages/9780689711732_p0_v2_s550x406.jpg

LOL. Hello Angela, good morning.
There is no reason for disputes. You two are real Italians. I believe that nowadays technology sometimes leads us to hasty conclusions about how people behaved over 2000 years ago. Probably the descendants of Etruscan, Latin, and Greek who lived in ancient Rome were all Roman citizens, spoke the same native language, Latin, and perhaps a little Greek, lived in perfect harmony and were physically very similar. They did not see themselves as different, but as equal. We modern men are trying to differentiate them by DNA when, in fact, they didn’t see any difference between themselves, whether in appearance, linguistic or cultural. They were all Romans.
Cheers :)

Duarte
11-11-19, 15:15
I consider the matches with these samples only as overlaps, considering that the ancient Iberians also received genetic inflows from central Europe throughout history. I don't see myself as descending from Etruscans, Lombards or Latinos (Romans) from central Italy. But I find all of this a lot of fun and I'm enjoying it a lot.

https://i.imgur.com/WjBs7aw.png
https://i.imgur.com/7OlZRBM.png
https://i.imgur.com/2240ydL.png

Angela
11-11-19, 15:16
LOL. Hello Angela, good morning.
There is no reason for disputes. You two are real Italians. I believe that nowadays technology sometimes leads us to hasty conclusions about how people behaved over 2000 years ago. Probably the descendants of Etruscan, Latin, and Greek who lived in ancient Rome were all Roman citizens, spoke the same native language, Latin, and perhaps a little Greek, lived in perfect harmony and were physically very similar. They did not see themselves as different, but as equal. We modern men are trying to differentiate them by DNA when, in fact, they didn’t see any difference between themselves, whether in appearance, linguistic or cultural. They were all Romans.
Cheers :)

Salve, my friend.

You're absolutely right. Would that all people in this hobby had your sensibility. :)

I should have perhaps made clear that our "feud" is one of my husband's ways of teasing me. I've now spent the greater part of my life here in the U.S., surrounded by Southern Italians like my husband who are aghast that I wasn't born knowing how to make cavatelli or arancini, and can't understand them when they speak dialect. The running joke was that I didn't know these things because I had too much "German" or "French" in me. Combined with that I've been told incessantly by "Americans" that I, and my family, don't "look" Italian. So, I got a little sensitive about it. My sense of my Italian identity, instilled in me by my very patriotic father, and something to which I clung after coming here, is important to me. So, I get a little aggravated when he teases me about this stuff, among the many other things he teases me about.

I recently took that darn ancestrydna test which says I'm 45% French. My husband teased me about that for days. He has always liked to goad me to see me lose my temper, God knows why, when it's the part of myself I like least. He says he likes to see the sparks fly.

This also goes on all over Italy, however. We call it "campanilismo", for bell tower. It's about attachment to one's own area. My province is better than yours, my city is better than yours, etc. The people of Siena profess to "hate" the Florentines because of the war with them in the Middle Ages, while they are both Tuscans. Each city in Tuscany, in all Northern Italy, has its history as an independent city state at war with all the others during the Middle Ages, so these grudges are still talked about, although tongue in cheek and humorously most of the time. For some reason, the Pisans seem to get the worst of it. A common phrase is "Meglio un morto in casa che un Pisano all'uscito". Better a dead man in the house than a Pisan at the door. :)

Salento
11-11-19, 16:43
Top 20:

https://i.imgur.com/uQNyd0n.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/r0rK96v.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/afN1b0u.jpg

once I regain my voting rights, I shall thank everyone properly :)

:thinking: The Roman Lady is doing the same thing as the Lady from Pompei.
... interesting.

https://i.imgur.com/jbZ30l2.jpg

Carlos
11-11-19, 17:33
In Istanbul they thought I was Italian, when I have long hair in Spain they have thought it was from Leon or from there. Several people have thought it was French. In Berlin they looked at me a lot, I was overwhelmed I can seem resulton but I'm not a top model either, I don't know if they are voager people but they looked at me a lot and I even met a young Norwegian, he turned to me, he was a polyglot and he asked me in multitude of languages, I kept silent, he asked me in all unimaginable languages except in Spanish, and then I knew how to speak Spanish perfectly. When I take selfies I become neurotic because from one day to the next I don't recognize myself, I go out different every time, with many looks or at least it is my perception. I imagine what it is to be international.

Carlos
11-11-19, 17:38
Top 20:

https://i.imgur.com/uQNyd0n.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/r0rK96v.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/afN1b0u.jpg

once I regain my voting rights, I shall thank everyone properly :)

:thinking: The Roman Lady is doing the same thing as the Lady from Pompei.
... interesting.

https://i.imgur.com/jbZ30l2.jpg

It must be influenced by Egypt when Pharaoh women put on a false beard. I understand that the Latin world was patriarchal unlike the Etruscans who were more liberal. Then these businesswomen and with an initiative the artist subtly put that false beard out with the pen on the chin, a subtle influence of the imported Egyptian symbols. Subliminal publicity.

Duarte
11-11-19, 17:51
Top 20:
https://i.imgur.com/uQNyd0n.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/r0rK96v.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/afN1b0u.jpg
once I regain my voting rights, I shall thank everyone properly :)
:thinking: The Roman Lady is doing the same thing as the Lady from Pompei.
... interesting.
https://i.imgur.com/jbZ30l2.jpg

This was already a modern woman. Think about how advanced Roman culture was in terms of customs. She, in addition to running the house, ran her husband's bakery business.

Nowadays, in Saudi Arabia, women only acquired the right to drive a car last month and they spend most of their time locked up inside your own houses and can only leave home if they are suitably dressed, ie, wearing a burka that only leaves visible the eyes.:thinking:

Carlos
11-11-19, 18:11
https://i.imgur.com/yR6xwlM.jpg

In this case the bakery belongs to her, inherited from her parents, the husband has become a consort baker and in the portrait with her subliminal false beard she makes clear who the business is and who is in charge.

Jovialis
11-11-19, 18:37
Let me guess...he's too "southern" for them?:useless:

He's a member of a Latin tribe. Some of them were a bit more Southern already.

Big Whoops.

The facts are what they are people; sane people throw discredited ideas into the rubbish heap.

Stalinistic-self-denial of the truth; their willful ignorance is a disgrace. Funny, when an outlier is more "northern", like the Armenoi_Crete sample, "It must be an elite", but not when the outlier is too southern. The bias is incredible!

It is almost certainly true that Bronze-Age Southern Italy was richer in AN/CHG-like admixture, furthered by Mycenaean-like admixture. This individual probably reflected a merger of Italic-Latin, and Bronze-Age Southern Italian-like admixture.

Jovialis
11-11-19, 19:58
Stalinistic-self-denial of the truth; their willful ignorance is a disgrace. Funny, when an outlier is more "northern", like the Armenoi_Crete sample, "It must be an elite", but not when the outlier is too southern. The bias is incredible!

It is almost certainly true that Bronze-Age Southern Italy was richer in AN/CHG-like admixture, furthered by Mycenaean-like admixture. This individual probably reflected a merger of Italic-Latin, and Bronze-Age Southern Italian-like admixture.

One thing is certain, R850 of Latin Tribe Ardea proves that Southern Italian-like people existed in Italy since at least the Iron age/Republican period. They were influential in the re-settlement of Italy; even in the Lazio area. And they have consistently existed on into the present day.

torzio
11-11-19, 21:21
One thing is certain, R850 of Latin Tribe Ardea proves that Southern Italian-like people existed in Italy since at least the Iron age/Republican period. They were influential in the re-settlement of Italy; even in the Lazio area. And they have consistently existed on into the present day.
Yes but before this his line has recently been stated as western black sea area, although same line as the 2 neolithic T samples, it is a earlier split from this bulgarian branch......btw, the 2 x T neolithic bulgarian samples are more closer to the 3 x neolithic german samples, even though they are all from the same branch, including R850

Salento
12-11-19, 02:46
Yes but before this his line has recently been stated as western black sea area, although same line as the 2 neolithic T samples, it is a earlier split from this bulgarian branch......btw, the 2 x T neolithic bulgarian samples are more closer to the 3 x neolithic german samples, even though they are all from the same branch, including R850
Now they have new Locations to add in the clades.
According to the maps, of the 3 y T samples: 1 is close to the Center Italians, and the other 2 to the South Italians.

https://i.imgur.com/U8hHqIw.jpg


R120:
y T1a2b L131>Y6033
mt I1c
400-600 CE Late Antiquity
San Ercolano

R1543
y T1a1a L162>L208>CTS11451>Y4119>CTS2214>Z709
mt H1e
1-400 CE
Imperial Rome
Mazzano Romano

R850
Y T1a1a TL208
mt T2c1f
800-500 BCE
Latin_IA
Ardea

Carlos
12-11-19, 03:21
All Carlos Bell Beaker

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZX058HvZ0PQ/XcnTv5BKlzI/AAAAAAAABU0/rPqPMEN-qdEEOV9FM1TH2TpmJKwXVU8QQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BELLBEAKERcarlospOLAND.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EZ3eVYnhpzg/XcnerABxoUI/AAAAAAAABVQ/evjuNSo9OdkkIbJVf6eUhoopBw-eSKuEwCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BELLBEAKERcarlosITALIA.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sZ9YFqS-zlg/XcnTtVh2EvI/AAAAAAAABUw/CrsvUhg5gjgudHMRwwuOoTU_xwL0IghswCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BELLBEAKERcarlos.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kJVMbfId5JM/XcnTyrOnDxI/AAAAAAAABU4/5zVienClE4kIBDMjQFerPzI_qTD4JubhACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BELLBEAKERcarlosuneticeBOheMIA.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JtDUgR8aOXs/XcnZhaCNsvI/AAAAAAAABVE/EG2wvSavDqUkzR0c-Ta-PvUP9O7DBYpOACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BELLBEAKERcarlosJUTLANDdenmark.JPEG

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Chimera_d%27arezzo%2C_fi%2C_04.JPG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2NSB1IJ5WBU/XcoTSlczZ-I/AAAAAAAABVo/azzErlHdkKg3pmg8Io9mkipkOrFHC5RXQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BELLBEAKERilyrian.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DKjpTx3JvGA/XcoTHQfEegI/AAAAAAAABVc/IcOJENIA8WoXgjgjSRJILSpLvQrBW2ZrgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BELLBEAKERcogotasH.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9SmHKPJBvGM/XcoTL2QU7aI/AAAAAAAABVg/PpnV2Q6w4aI4i3IauP7T4rxboNZHvCxGQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BELLBEAKERcOGOTASk.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8iq5Nl3yz1Y/XcoTPcOIIxI/AAAAAAAABVk/QoFM5ULcXYY2ogcQR4rU5TQL9KNVEw8jACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BELLBEAKERhallstatCELT.JPEG

Duarte
12-11-19, 04:42
In another thread the discussions were a bit heated when discussing the origin of the Etruscans based on the supposed migration route of the paternal line J2 (Proto-Illyrians, Dalmatians/Illyrians, Etruscans, Illyrians). I know the MTA does an autosomal analysis to define the matches with ancient peoples and I also know that my paternal lineage is 100% Gallo-Iberian (R-DF27). As I have autosomal MTA matches with all the above mentioned ancient peoples, I decided to post here just out of curiosity and also to stay out of this war that is not mine, LOL. [emoji6]

https://i.imgur.com/zdTrarH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UwWfsia.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MDd3gan.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XRGzKl2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ATiepQy.jpg


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Salento
12-11-19, 06:53
@Duarte, nice Etruscan result :)

Heated Debate.

“De mortuis nil nisi bonum”

... I speak only in Latin now LOL

They were people before they were samples, we often forget that when we debate.

Duarte
12-11-19, 12:40
@Duarte, nice Etruscan result :)

Heated Debate.

“De mortuis nil nisi bonum”

... I speak only in Latin now LOL

They were people before they were samples, we often forget that when we debate.

Good morning dear friend Salento. Now you can and should speak Latin LOL.

It is true. They were people like us. Identification with numbers makes life easier for scientists, but it brings a tone of impersonality that forgets that they was human beings who lived and dreamed with a better world and better life, as we all dream. I'm glad your cousin R850 now has a name and a face. He is now the handsome young boy named Carusu di Ardea. :smile:

Cheers :smile:

Carlos
13-11-19, 00:29
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a7WTinNj6g0/XcnJi3m4_rI/AAAAAAAABUY/d-Bf4J5lukUyL7X_y2PDLdbCQhK952HpQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/EuropeDeepDiveNoviembre2019.JPEG

And this sepulchral silence?

The destiny of men is sometimes inexorable, a destiny that marks life and beyond death, perhaps eternity without knowing what caprices or laws it serves. Young Carusu will continue to smile at people wherever he is because he was the only thing he had because those who rejected him in his day for being different and continue to reject him thousands of years later were neither nor happier than he was.

torzio
13-11-19, 04:04
It’s also because most Iron Age samples found are R1b, only two aren’t: R850 (T-L208) and R474 (J-M12).

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2019/11/06/366.6466.708.DC1/aay6826_Antonio_SM.pdf

Chances are that T-L208 and others T lines entered Italy with the R1bs, and some even before that. It could have also come with the Mycenaeans, the Greeks, and later with the Lombards, ...

Many are unfamiliar with y T ‘cause of its low % ratio, and when discovered people often act surprise, even though the Parent line of T-L208 was found in a 7000 burial in Karsdorf (DE).

y T is rare but widespread, and it has Europeans, Asian, MENA, ... lines, but many people picture only one line, and when found some people assume, others freak out instead, lol :)

https://i.imgur.com/zCnrp5s.jpg

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Haplogroup_T-M184_tree.png#


The tree branch you supplied was changed this morning check the site

Carlos
13-11-19, 04:09
What a surreal moment in the other thread, my box hurts laughing so much. Thank you! It had been a long time since I laughed so much.

Salento
13-11-19, 05:16
The tree branch you supplied was changed this morning check the site

I took that screenshot yesterday, thanks for the info.

torzio
13-11-19, 10:09
Same God :)

Same Setting - 590-670 AD:

https://i.imgur.com/y7mpXyf.jpg


MTA & Q-Matching with I3313 Illyrian/ Dalmatian Bronze Age / 1200 BC

https://i.imgur.com/FEukAhg.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/p1KjOHE.jpgl


sample I3313 is from the Jazinka caves on the island of Krk, which is just south of istria......the island was ruled by the Liburnians

Salento
13-11-19, 15:22
What a surreal moment in the other thread, my box hurts laughing so much. Thank you! It had been a long time since I laughed so much.

Sometimes 2 contradictory views are both true at the same time.

if I say to you:

”I’m learning Spanish :) ”

and you say:

”Whatever you're learning, it’s called Castilian !!!”

Most Spanish speakers in the World speak in some form of Castilian, but we all call it Spanish.

:thinking: we are both right at the same time :grin:

Carlos
13-11-19, 16:01
Sometimes 2 contradictory views can both be true at the same time.

if I say to you:

”I’m learning Spanish :) ”

and you say:

”Whatever you're learning, it’s called Castilian !!!”

Most Spanish speakers in the World speak in some form of Castilian, but we all call it Spanish.

:thinking: we are both right at the same time :grin:

On one occasion I was smoking at night on the balcony of my hotel room at that time someone spoke to me in English, I turned my head and was my room neighbor, I'm Spanish, I replied, he must have thought that being in a Hotel I was also a tourist. He told me he was from Latina, I don't look at the boys or like them but he had a sculptural body like those ancient statues, and it wasn't especially from Gym, it was natural. So he told me he was studying Spanish, he didn't say Spanish. I had doubts with the Spanish and he told me that if I could help him solve a doubt, so I jumped the balcony and we were talking in Spanish about Spanish, it was very late and the neighbors next to the room pounded the wall, people really They don't care about culture, they just think about sleeping. I imagine he had never imagined that it was an Etruscan who was teaching him Spanish.

Salento
14-11-19, 00:59
l
sample I3313 is from the Jazinka caves on the island of Krk, which is just south of istria......the island was ruled by the Liburnians

Same ...
https://i.imgur.com/FEukAhg.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/p1KjOHE.jpg

When I posted my I3313 match, I did it for a hypothetical association with the Messapi, but now the same sample is paraded around in association with the Etruscans.

I don’t know ...

(I also have two more Illyrians matching samples)

Angela
14-11-19, 01:28
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a7WTinNj6g0/XcnJi3m4_rI/AAAAAAAABUY/d-Bf4J5lukUyL7X_y2PDLdbCQhK952HpQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/EuropeDeepDiveNoviembre2019.JPEG

And this sepulchral silence?

The destiny of men is sometimes inexorable, a destiny that marks life and beyond death, perhaps eternity without knowing what caprices or laws it serves. Young Carusu will continue to smile at people wherever he is because he was the only thing he had because those who rejected him in his day for being different and continue to reject him thousands of years later were neither nor happier than he was.

I assure you that some of young Caruso's descendants could buy the networth of all those losers combined five times over. Who has the last laugh?

Carlos
14-11-19, 01:34
I assure you that some of young Caruso's descendants could buy the networth of all those losers combined five times over. Who has the last laugh?

Carusu please.


No woman. Laughter was due to the situation of several crossed conversations, yours with torzio I think I remember and on the other hand Salento with the "precious" sword after torzio again that if I could read in Italian, then I ask if there was news about the "precious sword "after torzio he can't open the file on the phone because it wasn't on the PC.


The scene was great, I couldn't stop laughing.


It's about that, not! poor Carusu, please no, never. Rich are two or three compared to the world population. No, not at all, I would never laugh at poverty or physical defects e.t.c.

God free me

In any case, the poetic writing has nothing to do with its offspring but with its own individual and destiny.

Duarte
14-11-19, 01:44
When I posted my I3313 match, I did it for a hypothetical association with the Messapi, but now the same sample is paraded around in association with the Etruscans.

I don’t know ...

(I also have two more Illyrians matching samples)

@Salento
Yes, I agree. It seems that are something in the air.

https://i.imgur.com/cTqxyq0.png
https://i.imgur.com/TnRX5Gf.png
https://i.imgur.com/S5QnCFk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/AjRZFVp.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RIaNBUJ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/4CN5qob.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/44fWMlW.jpg


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Carlos
14-11-19, 03:06
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NOfb1YarikY/XcxiCTJSnTI/AAAAAAAABWA/qF_OPHasDhk68kLfue5lNoJ-b-9zDxwqACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/CUSTOMPCAm%25C3%25ADa100SamplesNoviembre2019.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5aGT-ZUsXo0/XcxiHdxrswI/AAAAAAAABWE/msUoGxftSocVwDbHQHG6Kcedp01J6WapQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/CustomANCIENTmodern.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6iM2JKDQKUg/XcxiLkOMCLI/AAAAAAAABWI/Y3dzCz-RIRoi_naEnBhGmh6wv2tdyOM3wCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/CUSTOMPCAm%25C3%25ADaNoviembre2019.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GVhL8uqg0N8/Xcyp42tV8gI/AAAAAAAABWc/JnEb5MYNWSILyoL5es1ZkVgJWWlYZtZjQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/CUSTOMpcaModern.JPEG

My plots plots.
I don't know why I now get a blank blue cross. I will have to call:

https://spoilertime.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/portada-7-1024x576.jpg

Jovialis
15-11-19, 18:28
Troy VI (c. 1750-1300 BCE) is the period most visible today at the site and is the most likely candidate for the besieged city of Homer’s Trojan War.

https://www.ancient.eu/troy/

https://i.imgur.com/pKBGUAh.png

Carlos
15-11-19, 21:41
News results for my

11. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (990 AD) ..... 11.72 - R63
26. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (1429 AD) ..... 13.84 - R1289
27. Celtoiberian Outlier Roman Empire VP (100 AD) ..... 13.88 - R116
45. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (1429 AD) ..... 14.69 - R1287
60. Villanovan Etruscan Italy VGG (850 BC) ..... 15.88 - R1015
78. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 16.97 - R1
95. Latin Tribe Castel di Decima (800 BC) ..... 18.33 - R1016
100. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP (100 AD) ..... 18.85 - R111


11. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (990 AD) ..... 11.72 - R63
mtDNA: K1a2a

Y-DNA: I-M423


Gallo-Roman + Etruscan (4.164)
Visigoth + Etruscan (4.281)
Etruscan (4.463)
Gallo-Roman (5.456)
Visigoth (5.682)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Hw8smGbgc4o/Xc8KSLB576I/AAAAAAAABXY/_unnX5xpHck0eNJotIFn3J51jEUw1j94gCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/vilamagnaVisigoth.JPEG
Very close to my first game

Similar Samples
Etruscan Civitavecchia (650 BC) (4.463)
Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 AD) (5.456)
Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (5.682)
Le Mans Revolutionary France (1793 AD) (6.673)
Roman Soldier Germany (300 AD) (7.311)

TardisBlue
15-11-19, 22:35
Now my closest match is:

1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 7.434 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

Other new ones:
13. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 11.71 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97
% match vs all users

14. Morisco Italo-Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 11.98 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users
20. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 13.12 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96
% match vs all users29. North Central Lombard (670 AD) ..... 14.39 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
67
% match vs all users

Jovialis
15-11-19, 22:38
https://i.imgur.com/AL2mkem.png

Salento
15-11-19, 22:55
📜 XX

https://i.imgur.com/VWe63Ss.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/IPEzE2p.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/00wPtZq.jpg

... My Joy is Strong ... :)

... got many more too!

Carlos
15-11-19, 23:11
I want samples of the Spanish Empire, and call them as: SPANISH EMPIRE.


THE EMPIRE where the sun never set


https://www.nocreasnada.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/2019-02-16_5c688c5358d4c_ultimai9magenndelimperioespaolcar losv-1140x684.jpg

Duarte
15-11-19, 23:58
I am an Iberian that have an Italian soul. Nice :)

https://i.imgur.com/287HLye.png
https://i.imgur.com/GkjKqly.png
https://i.imgur.com/EFQgU27.png
https://i.imgur.com/JLjx62t.png
https://i.imgur.com/rvg6Kbx.png
https://i.imgur.com/XguYg4T.png
https://i.imgur.com/x9GWSDD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/aqgmoaN.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qTYs6MH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SWZy9AB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/PNKzyD5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/hwKmMBc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7MEwt6P.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/naX9N80.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Vg8X4sl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LTi6J4U.jpg


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Salento
16-11-19, 00:49
... + LXXX

https://i.imgur.com/1tIKqBO.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/XqQIPdV.jpg

Duarte
16-11-19, 01:07
... + LXXX

https://i.imgur.com/1tIKqBO.jpg
Ave Imperator Romae. Ave Caesar Salento.:good_job:

Carlos
16-11-19, 01:36
Carlos Papers

95. Latin Tribe Castel di Decima (800 BC) ..... 18.33 - R1016 -
mtDNA: H1aj1a

Y-DNA: R-M269


Similar Samples
Portugal Bronze Age (1600 BC) (4.449)
Bronze Age Northern Spain (1440 BC) (5.851)
Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) (6.54)
Latin Tribe Inland BE (650 BC) (7.225)
Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) (7.349)

An affinity with Cogotas had been suspected for days.

I can imagine that these charges come to me from my mother's father, my maternal grandfather. And why I say this. My grandfather's brother made a wooden car with two bulls since they had been carpenters as a young man. Well, the bulls are identical to the bulls, those gigantic stone bulls and cockles. And it's something he did from his head.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_lRVFN7y5X8/Xc8zZg_mNaI/AAAAAAAABXk/Koh_j9zXb8MbklYKYhazzivc2FFEQ14fgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/LATINtRIBEcASTELdiDECIMAR116.JPEG

Salento
16-11-19, 01:38
Ave Imperator Romae. Ave Caesar Salento.:good_job:

Ave Duarte, my guys were never Emperors, I'm sure they were more like Mark Antony (Marcus Antonius), :grin: fun Guy.

Congrats on your Etruscan/Roman/Italian Soul/Ancestry :)

Congrats to Carlos too !

Angela
16-11-19, 03:36
Ave Duarte, my guys were never Emperors, I'm sure they were more like Mark Antony (Marcus Antonius), :grin: fun Guy.

Congrats on your Etruscan/Roman/Italian Soul/Ancestry :)



Congrats to Carlos too !

DITTO!

My general results have changed:
Roman (3.568)
Roman + Illyrian (4.064)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (4.779)
Gallo-Roman (9.491)
Illyrian (10.35)



Anything 10 and under just so this post doesn't get too long.

1. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 3.568 - SZ43 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

2. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 4.975 - CL36 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

3. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 6.017 - R60 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

4. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 6.279 - R1 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

5. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.029 - SZ36 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

6. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 8.294 - R107 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

7. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 9.491 - SZ28 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

8. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 9.723 - NS3b - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

9. Imperial Rome Marche CN (165 AD) ..... 9.778 - R835 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

10. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague (1348 AD) ..... 9.816 - BSS31 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

11. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 9.865 - scy192 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

12. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 10.07 - CL121 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

13. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 10.35 - I3313 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97
% match vs all users

14. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 10.45 - NS3c - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98
% match vs all users

15. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 10.51 - I2515 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97
% match vs all users

16. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 10.68 - I12515 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97
% match vs all users

17. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 10.77 - SZ32 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98
% match vs all users

18. Imperial Rome San Ercolano (100 AD) ..... 10.85 - R117 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

19. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 10.87 - R59 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

I do get all these new Roman samples, but my top ones are still Collegno and Szolad. Whatever mix I am looks like it was created around 500 AD. Maybe the Langobards, Celt/Ligurian, Italic, and Greek? Well, I get the Protovillanovan at a good number, and the Imperial Roman from Marche.

My husband's are a clean sweep with the Roman samples replacing almost all his prior top ones. The Mycenaean one still amazes me.

1. Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello (100 AD) ..... 5.98 - R114 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

2. Imperial Rome Centocelle (190 AD) ..... 6.191 - R50 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

3. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) ..... 8.154 - CL30 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

4. Imperial Rome Viale Rossini (100 AD) ..... 8.405 - R75 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

5. Imperial Rome Centocelle (200 AD) ..... 9.202 - R49 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

6. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) ..... 9.308 - CL25 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

7. Imperial Rome ANAS (200 AD) ..... 10.07 - R73 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

8. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 10.3 - R850 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

9. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 10.36 - CL121 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98
% match vs all users

10. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1100 AD) ..... 10.68 - R58 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

11. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1100 AD) ..... 10.81 - R65 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

12. Imperial Rome Centocelle (200 AD) ..... 11.28 - R51 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

13. Imperial Rome San Ercolano (100 AD) ..... 11.59 - R117 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98
% match vs all users

14. Mycenaean (1350 BC) ..... 12.09 - I9041 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

15. Imperial Rome Isola Sacra (99 AD) ..... 12.13 - R39 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

16. Hellenic Roman Marcellino (400 AD) ..... 12.2 - R133 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

17. Imperial Rome ANAS (200 AD) ..... 12.72 - R66 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

18. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 13.12 - R60 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
95
% match vs all users

19. Imperial Rome Isola Sacra (200 AD) ..... 13.15 - R43 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

20. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) ..... 13.56 - CL38 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97
% match vs all users

21. Imperial Rome Centocelle (282 AD) ..... 13.64 - R47 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98
% match vs all users

22. Imperial Rome Viale Rossini (100 AD) ..... 14.09 - R76 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

23. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 14.11 - R107 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
95
% match vs all users

24. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) ..... 14.22 - MA2208 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

25. Roman Imperial PA (100 AD) ..... 14.25 - R436 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96
% match vs all users


That's enough to get the idea. Perhaps the fact that his family were still speaking Greek until 2-300 years ago really did mean something.

My maps:

https://i.imgur.com/SJpF8cL.png

https://i.imgur.com/v5ZG9Pz.png



https://i.imgur.com/pEhzeL3.png

https://i.imgur.com/MC2Ad5m.png

https://i.imgur.com/7z1D5CL.png

https://i.imgur.com/bxzmduV.png

https://i.imgur.com/3mbpJhy.png

I'm happy that even if the distances are quite different, we both have a relationship to some of the people in these graves around Rome, like Via Paisiello.

Joey37
16-11-19, 03:40
I guess I'm still a Frank, too.

Salento
16-11-19, 03:42
Ancient Relatives - share DNA:


https://i.imgur.com/CsH0R2M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LzuMr2e.jpg

Angela
16-11-19, 03:44
Ancient Relatives - share DNA:

Amazing! We're touching the past. :)

Carlos
16-11-19, 04:15
Ave Duarte, my guys were never Emperors, I'm sure they were more like Mark Antony (Marcus Antonius), :grin: fun Guy.

Congrats on your Etruscan/Roman/Italian Soul/Ancestry :)

Congrats to Carlos too !

Merci beaucoup!!! lol

Carlos Papers
Let's analyze another new game now.

27. Celtoiberian Outlier Roman Empire VP (100 AD) ..... 13.88 - R116
mtDNA: U3a2Y-DNA: J-Z631Visigoths celts vascones

Visigoth + Celt (3.689)
Visigoth + Vascones (6.209)
Vascones (7.61)
Celt (8.58)
Visigoth (9.589)

1. Southwest_French (12.34)
2. Spanish_Cantabria (12.76)
3. Spanish_Cataluna (13.62)
4. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (13.89)
5. Spanish_Aragon (14.11)
6. Spanish_Basque (15.26)
7. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (15.41)
8. French (15.48)

I have Cantabria in all the stews. I will have to go meet him.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VffmbEYTWs4/Xc9dogEl49I/AAAAAAAABXw/6gEHoUn3FEUKfCsXO_wgZFJZ_-OsDx7DACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/oUTLIERcELTIBERIANr116.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a79UZ4wlf7Q/Xc9dv2eEK2I/AAAAAAAABX0/ZRqwpIEVftg80SB3rm4d2YxXtexkMKnKACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/oUTLIERcELTIBERIANr116MODERN.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uXlJfKNIsdE/Xc9e8T4kUrI/AAAAAAAABYE/IKmB-oJHiMIAlqRzanXlQSQPDoQAeanQwCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/pcaMIA2019.JPEG

In that century there were 13 emperors.

Salento
16-11-19, 04:28
DITTO!

My general results have changed:
Roman (3.568)
Roman + Illyrian (4.064)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (4.779)
Gallo-Roman (9.491)
Illyrian (10.35)



Anything 10 and under just so this post doesn't get too long.

1. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 3.568 - SZ43 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

2. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 4.975 - CL36 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

3. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 6.017 - R60 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

4. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 6.279 - R1 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

5. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.029 - SZ36 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

6. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 8.294 - R107 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

7. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 9.491 - SZ28 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

8. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 9.723 - NS3b - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

9. Imperial Rome Marche CN (165 AD) ..... 9.778 - R835 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

10. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague (1348 AD) ..... 9.816 - BSS31 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

11. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 9.865 - scy192 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

12. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 10.07 - CL121 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

13. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 10.35 - I3313 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97
% match vs all users

14. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 10.45 - NS3c - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98
% match vs all users

15. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 10.51 - I2515 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97
% match vs all users

16. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 10.68 - I12515 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97
% match vs all users

17. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 10.77 - SZ32 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98
% match vs all users

18. Imperial Rome San Ercolano (100 AD) ..... 10.85 - R117 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

19. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 10.87 - R59 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

I do get all these new Roman samples, but my top ones are still Collegno and Szolad. Whatever mix I am looks like it was created around 500 AD. Maybe the Langobards, Celt/Ligurian, Italic, and Greek? Well, I get the Protovillanovan at a good number, and the Imperial Roman from Marche.

My husband's are a clean sweep with the Roman samples replacing almost all his prior top ones. The Mycenaean one still amazes me.

1. Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello (100 AD) ..... 5.98 - R114 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

2. Imperial Rome Centocelle (190 AD) ..... 6.191 - R50 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

3. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) ..... 8.154 - CL30 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

4. Imperial Rome Viale Rossini (100 AD) ..... 8.405 - R75 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

5. Imperial Rome Centocelle (200 AD) ..... 9.202 - R49 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

6. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) ..... 9.308 - CL25 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

7. Imperial Rome ANAS (200 AD) ..... 10.07 - R73 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

8. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 10.3 - R850 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

9. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 10.36 - CL121 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98
% match vs all users

10. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1100 AD) ..... 10.68 - R58 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

11. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1100 AD) ..... 10.81 - R65 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

12. Imperial Rome Centocelle (200 AD) ..... 11.28 - R51 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

13. Imperial Rome San Ercolano (100 AD) ..... 11.59 - R117 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98
% match vs all users

14. Mycenaean (1350 BC) ..... 12.09 - I9041 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

15. Imperial Rome Isola Sacra (99 AD) ..... 12.13 - R39 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

16. Hellenic Roman Marcellino (400 AD) ..... 12.2 - R133 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

17. Imperial Rome ANAS (200 AD) ..... 12.72 - R66 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

18. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 13.12 - R60 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
95
% match vs all users

19. Imperial Rome Isola Sacra (200 AD) ..... 13.15 - R43 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

20. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) ..... 13.56 - CL38 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97
% match vs all users

21. Imperial Rome Centocelle (282 AD) ..... 13.64 - R47 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98
% match vs all users

22. Imperial Rome Viale Rossini (100 AD) ..... 14.09 - R76 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

23. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 14.11 - R107 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
95
% match vs all users

24. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) ..... 14.22 - MA2208 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

25. Roman Imperial PA (100 AD) ..... 14.25 - R436 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96
% match vs all users


That's enough to get the idea. Perhaps the fact that his family were still speaking Greek until 2-300 years ago really did mean something.

My maps:

https://i.imgur.com/SJpF8cL.png

https://i.imgur.com/v5ZG9Pz.png



https://i.imgur.com/pEhzeL3.png

https://i.imgur.com/MC2Ad5m.png

https://i.imgur.com/7z1D5CL.png

https://i.imgur.com/bxzmduV.png

https://i.imgur.com/3mbpJhy.png

I'm happy that even if the distances are quite different, we both have a relationship to some of the people in these graves around Rome, like Via Paisiello.

All roads lead to Rome (and back).

I think we all share a bit of everything in us :)

https://i.imgur.com/31BjiCy.jpg

Angela
16-11-19, 04:52
I haven't really played with these results before.

How odd that the closest population to the Scythian from Moldova is North Italians. What's that all about? I also got Scythians on an analysis done previously.

That match is still way up there for me.

Duarte and Carlos are getting these Italian hits, and starting with number 20 I get all these Spanish hits. :)

I have to think about it. :)

Carlos
16-11-19, 05:09
Carlos papers

Analyzing the situation

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-e5ZEF7njdCI/Xc9nEHo5-uI/AAAAAAAABZ0/KF5W3NV59w4tXyrsjlsxiQIblADV8lwHACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/ItalyBRONZEage.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cIErg8OgV8I/Xc9mZJDCqyI/AAAAAAAABZI/RwhKOB-Lv9caMRRemJW3GTVBPz82R9M6ACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/ITALYironAGE.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cdyB5aGM5FY/Xc9mdXrU3oI/AAAAAAAABZM/72mekhUiTPojGtpDbu51yTXJIOCJ-6QlQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/ITALYromanRepublic.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xCGR53wU_90/Xc9miuGWkYI/AAAAAAAABZU/0hM7mL_X6aIwGIpucIyhijWa4YhhwjlAgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/ITALYearlyempire.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pAxdqx49UME/Xc9mnJyOzHI/AAAAAAAABZY/vmb5mvPD-dMcRxQnkUBLyJ4eCv3vqCgzgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/ITALYLateAntiquity.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_Pd03fyOtZQ/Xc9msPt9P0I/AAAAAAAABZg/Wr7lh_BKr4ExbLeYhcyh4_5zNCgk3cpXwCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/ITALYMEDIAVAL.JPEG

I see it consistent with the results of those other papers.
I think I'm going to bet on the observation that Salento has poured.

Perhaps many times they looked like opposites were actually relatives, distant or close but they were.

Salento
16-11-19, 06:14
Ancient History

https://i.imgur.com/n338m5B.jpg

Salento
16-11-19, 06:53
@Carlos
Roman Republic:
you’re getting double R435.

Obviously they must be Huge, twice the size of the average Roman :grin:

you also get double 474 Iron Age.
I stop here.

maybe deep dives get counted twice.

Stuvanè
16-11-19, 11:20
The matter becomes interesting and perhaps even a little more realistic...

1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 5.999 - R1 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

2. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 6.512 - SZ43 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.298 - SZ36 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

4. Morisco Italo-Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 7.644 - I7424 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

5. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 8.78 - R60 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

6. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 8.822 - CL36 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

7. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 9.626 - R107 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

8. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 9.685 - NS3b - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

9. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 10.99 - CL121 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

10. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.36 - SZ28 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

11. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 11.75 - I3313 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

12. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 12.06 - R59 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

13. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 12.26 - NS3c - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

14. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 12.69 - CL23 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

15. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.75 - SZ32 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

16. Imperial Rome San Ercolano (100 AD) ..... 12.76 - R117 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

17. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague (1348 AD) ..... 13.01 - BSS31 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

18. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 13.34 - I2515 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

19. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 13.43 - I12515 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

20. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 13.7 - I2514 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

21. Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello (100 AD) ..... 13.74 - R114 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

22. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 13.82 - I3981 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

23. Imperial Rome Marche CN (165 AD) ..... 13.83 - R835 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

24. Morisco Convert Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 13.92 - I7425 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

25. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 13.95 - SI-53 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

26. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.2 - scy300 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

27. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) ..... 14.23 - I3575 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

28. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 14.38 - SI-41 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

29. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 14.45 - scy192 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

30. Justinian Plague Victim (760 AD) ..... 14.62 - LSD021 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

31. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.65 - scy197b - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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93% match vs all users

32. Imperial Rome Centocelle (200 AD) ..... 14.74 - R51 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

33. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 14.85 - I3582 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

34. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 14.99 - CL57 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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84% match vs all users

35. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 15.3 - OBS137 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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90% match vs all users

36. Hellenic Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 15.35 - I7499 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

37. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (1429 AD) ..... 15.54 - R1287 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

38. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 15.54 - I2644 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

39. Early Medieval Andalusia (760 AD) ..... 15.61 - I3585 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

40. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) ..... 15.79 - I3982 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

41. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) ..... 15.81 - SZ19 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

42. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP (100 AD) ..... 15.87 - R111 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

43. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1100 AD) ..... 15.9 - R58 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

44. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 16.04 - I3581 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

45. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (860 AD) ..... 16.06 - R1283 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

46. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 16.08 - I12644 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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47. Imperial Rome Centocelle (282 AD) ..... 16.39 - R47 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

48. Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 16.42 - I7498 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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93% match vs all users

49. Imperial Rome Via Paisiello (100 AD) ..... 16.48 - R131 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

50. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 16.54 - SZ45 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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69% match vs all users

51. Imperial Rome Centocelle (200 AD) ..... 16.54 - R49 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

52. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 16.55 - CL94 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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86% match vs all users

53. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 16.57 - I4332 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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90% match vs all users

54. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 16.57 - I5769 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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55. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 16.81 - I3499 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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56. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 17.03 - I4331 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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90% match vs all users

57. Imperial Rome Marche CN (165 AD) ..... 17.07 - R836 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

58. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) ..... 17.32 - I3576 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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59. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 17.6 - I12514 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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60. Ostrogoth Mix (495 AD) ..... 17.68 - AEH_1 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=py0f3ob1iz&s=tl
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=py0f3ob1iz&s=dd

Stuvanè
16-11-19, 11:32
Partially changed also the proximity to the ancient reference populations

https://scontent-fco1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/75491802_528173834431496_7826898196910571520_n.png ?_nc_cat=109&_nc_oc=AQlqXZUctYuVGNM6qZDe1Sa8UB_BxrSggeLn1lAKZEk CWpQYNiE9XCjDvoJaPsN8H4U&_nc_ht=scontent-fco1-1.xx&oh=7d2ab610bf9d1033c35ddd884d04a936&oe=5E40102B

Jovialis
16-11-19, 13:59
https://i.imgur.com/9y3nTMq.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/sMr05Nu.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/wp9IRQR.png
https://i.imgur.com/VbJ6EDk.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/bgyg44h.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/6GXx4XO.png
https://i.imgur.com/XcikBL6.png

Duarte
16-11-19, 14:06
Congratulations to all my dear Italian friends, especially @Angela, @Jovialis, @Salento, @ Stuvanè, @Regio X. It seems that the void that existed on the map of Italy has been filled.

Every day, new surprises in the MTA. Good surprises. I am still quite Iberian, but I am very happy to share some ancestry with my Italian friends. Following I post some more of my images related to Italian ancestry. To play with, I put a match with a Frankish-Gaul Lombard (it seems these guys contributed to the collapse of the Roman empire, LOL).

https://i.imgur.com/QBOHGv1.png
https://i.imgur.com/Q7vG92C.png
https://i.imgur.com/j39iTdM.png
https://i.imgur.com/MiCzrGJ.png
https://i.imgur.com/7mBolrz.png
https://i.imgur.com/Na5XXhG.png
https://i.imgur.com/HxZ2DJs.png
https://i.imgur.com/pRHmVqy.png
https://i.imgur.com/0IVTbZq.png
https://i.imgur.com/RqeWuRN.png
https://i.imgur.com/u6hrg9v.png

Greetings my friends :)

Jovialis
16-11-19, 14:06
https://i.imgur.com/9y3nTMq.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/sMr05Nu.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/wp9IRQR.png
https://i.imgur.com/VbJ6EDk.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/bgyg44h.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/6GXx4XO.png
https://i.imgur.com/XcikBL6.png


My closest match is still with SZ40, a Late Antiquity 590 AD Roman in Pannonia. This makes me even more curious to see Southern Italian Bronze-Age samples included, as well as Italic tribes, like the Samnites.