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Dibran
08-04-19, 23:51
Free upload and calculator. Just signup and upload. You can delete it after too. It compares you against a database of ancient samples and models you based on the closest matching populations. Here’s my results. Upgrades only show hidden matches. Doesn’t change the results. Blue dots are confirmed populations. The darker the closer you are. More faded more distant. Red are those where few samples for said population exist so not as conclusive.




https://i.postimg.cc/KcNzZrTL/tru1.png


https://i.postimg.cc/NF7bnCCd/TRU2.png


Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Central Roman (590 AD) (7.169)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.684)
3. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (11.61)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.27)
5. Central Roman (670 AD) (13.04)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.92)
7. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (13.96)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.09)
9. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (14.09)
10. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.39)
11. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (15.68)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (15.75)
13. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (15.96)
14. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (18.38)
15. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.67)
16. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.85)
17. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.02)
18. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.07)
19. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.31)
20. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.36)




Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. Greek_Thessaly (7.839)
2. Greek (9.494)
3. Tuscan (10.09)
4. Central_Greek (12.00)
5. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account

Gash
09-04-19, 00:21
https://i.imgur.com/cXjdbnI.png

https://i.imgur.com/cD8ynwm.png

Joey37
09-04-19, 00:26
C E L T I C
P R I D E

Celt + Gaul (6.551)
Celt + Frank (7.028)
Celt (8.141)
Gaul (9.05)
Frank (10.45)

10884

Dibran
09-04-19, 01:10
https://i.imgur.com/cXjdbnI.png

https://i.imgur.com/cD8ynwm.png

The question I have is, how confident are we that Roman sample in the Balkans is genetically Roman? It seems Balkan people get more Roman than Illyrian and people of Roman heritage are getting Illyrian and Thracian first. Spaniards and north Italians. Then south Slavs are mostly Scythian and Avar with some mix of Roman and Celt or Germanic. It can be a bit confusing. Lol.

hrvclv
09-04-19, 01:16
https://i.imgur.com/bZtgLfs.png

Salento
09-04-19, 03:20
http://i.imgur.com/1ZcxiQ4.jpg

davef
09-04-19, 03:28
http://i.imgur.com/1ZcxiQ4.jpg
Dang splitting hairs much?

hellenic Roman
roman greek
ancient greek
central ancient Hellenic Roman mycenaenoid

Ernekar
09-04-19, 03:33
delete....

Salento
09-04-19, 03:47
Dang splitting hairs much?

hellenic Roman
roman greek
ancient greek
central ancient Hellenic Roman mycenaenoid

"I know that I know nothing" therefore ”VENI VIDI VICI”

Yep, LOL

http://i.imgur.com/uvtpA0m.jpg

leperrine
09-04-19, 05:58
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Yaan
09-04-19, 06:29
Scythian + Roman (9.16)
Gaul + Roman (13.61)
Gaul (16.11)
Roman (16.16)
Scythian (18.39)

matty74
09-04-19, 06:58
I had no idea that my DNA was so "British" given my family tree and what I know about my ancestry. Mostly Norway, Denmark, Ostfriesland (Lower Saxony), Mecklenburg, Hannover along with some distant English, French and Irish. I'm guessing due to my American ethnicity and how mixed we are as a people, it may look a lot like the British Isles, who are also a hodgepodge of people from NW Europe.

Your closest Ancient populations

Longobard + Saxon (3.065)
Celt + Longobard (3.315)
Longobard (5.104)
Celt (6.764)
Saxon (7.239)


Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452)
2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104)
3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469)
4. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941)
5. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126)
6. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764)
7. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875)
8. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22)
9. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239)
10. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539)
11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546)
12. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637)
13. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64)
14. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847)
15. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95)
16. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037)
17. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04)
18. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084)
19. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12)
20. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14)

Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. Irish (3.811)
2. West_Scottish (4.094)
3. Orcadian (4.193)
4. North_Dutch (4.377)
5. Southeast_English (4.667)
6. Southwest_English (5.083)
7. Danish (6.023)
8. Welsh (7.603)


https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=u16r7dlvbm

matty74
09-04-19, 08:52
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=u16r7dlvbm&s=hd

TardisBlue
09-04-19, 13:05
My results are consistent with my ancestry, and I always end up midpoint between my 2 main populations.

https://i.ibb.co/xHNKtB8/Capture-d-cran-2019-04-09-12-47-27.png
https://i.ibb.co/F8b57nr/Capture-d-cran-2019-04-09-12-47-11.png
https://i.ibb.co/KjWKFZR/Capture-d-cran-2019-04-09-12-47-20.png

Dibran
09-04-19, 13:05
"I know that I know nothing" therefore ”VENI VIDI VICI”

Yep, LOL

http://i.imgur.com/uvtpA0m.jpg

Our results are mostly the same

Dema
09-04-19, 13:18
Your closest Ancient populations...Roman (7.957)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (8.832)
Gallo-Roman + Hellenic Roman (10.58)
Gallo-Roman (12.61)
Hellenic Roman (15.09)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...1. Central Roman (590 AD) (7.957)
3. Central Roman (590 AD) (9.448)
5. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (12.61)
7. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (15.09)
9. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (15.37)

Your closest genetic modern populations...1. Kosovan (3.825)
2. Bulgarian (6.513)
3. Greek (8.016)
4. Bosnian (8.594)

Salento
09-04-19, 14:10
Our results are mostly the same

At first sight, It looks similar.

The algorithm randomly hides some populations, probably the Illyrians are hidden in our case, especially if we don't carry as much.

Duarte
09-04-19, 14:25
Thanks for the indication @Gibran. Very fun :)

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New Englander
09-04-19, 17:07
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=zm54jfksal

Your closest Ancient populations...
https://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanSouth.jpgHellenic Roman



Hellenic RomansRomansOstrogoths


Roman + Ostrogoth (6.621)
Hellenic Roman + Roman (6.761)
Hellenic Roman (8.164)
Roman (8.475)
Ostrogoth (16.36)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
1. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (8.164)
2. - upgrade your account (8.475)
3. Central Roman (590 AD) (10.19)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.45)
5. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.54)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.69)
7. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (14.15)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (16.12)
9. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (16.36)

[h=3]Your closest genetic modern populations...
1. Italian_Abruzzo (5.612)
2. West_Sicilian (6.496)
3. Greek (7.806)
4. Tuscan (8.618)

Angela
09-04-19, 17:15
I think I have everyone "beat" in the "Roman" category. :)

Anyone know the specific sample numbers they're using? I'd like to look them up.

If this company knows what it's doing, I'm closer to them than to any modern population, including Italian ones.

https://i.imgur.com/m1VDP5m.png

https://i.imgur.com/W0Aqb1c.png

https://i.imgur.com/N3lotas.png

Maybe I should change my avatar? :) Vibia Sabina:

http://emilykq.weebly.com/uploads/1/8/3/9/18394947/5168663_orig.jpg

Dibran
09-04-19, 17:39
...................

I wonder the same. Me and my father are closest to Roman/Ancient Greeks/Hellenic Romans. The Roman samples I am close to are apparently early middle ages. I would love to know if they're on GEDMATCH for comparison.

Dibran
09-04-19, 17:46
Your closest Ancient populations...

Roman (7.957)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (8.832)
Gallo-Roman + Hellenic Roman (10.58)
Gallo-Roman (12.61)
Hellenic Roman (15.09)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

1. Central Roman (590 AD) (7.957)
3. Central Roman (590 AD) (9.448)
5. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (12.61)
7. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (15.09)
9. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (15.37)

Your closest genetic modern populations...

1. Kosovan (3.825)
2. Bulgarian (6.513)
3. Greek (8.016)
4. Bosnian (8.594)

Gallo Roman. Theres a first. Haven't seen any Albanian get it so far. Pretty cool.

Dibran
09-04-19, 17:48
At first sight, It looks similar.

The algorithm randomly hides some populations, probably the Illyrians are hidden in our case, especially if we don't carry as much.

Yea. Someone who did the upgrade mentioned it doesn't actually change the breakdown. It just reveals hidden matches that are more distant, both on the stats and map itself with pinpointed samples. Thracian is not astronomically far by itself, but I am closer to the "Central Roman" samples from the early middle ages. Do we know where these Roman samples can be found? Gedmatch?

Angela
09-04-19, 17:57
Salento, are you closer to the 590 AD sample or the 670 AD sample?

Is anyone closer to the 670 AD sample?

The "Roman" samples from 670 AD have to be the ones from the Langobard cemetery in Piemonte, who were very modern "southern" Italian like. The 570 AD samples are the non-Langobard samples from their settlement in modern day Hungary?

I've got that fst of 3. something with only one of those 590 AD samples. The others are higher.

@Dibran,
I think the Gallo Roman number shows Celtic/Gallic admixture. It makes sense given my ancestral areas. They were called Celt/Ligurians.

Ed. Here is where we discussed the Amorim/Krause paper on the Langobards:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/35488-Understanding-6th-Cent-Barbarian-Social-Organization-Migration-thru-Paleogenomics?highlight=Lombard+cemetery

Whether the "southern" people in the cemetery in Szolad were actual Romans, possible because there were Roman forts and villas in the area, or this genotype was common in the whole area, I don't know.

I wonder if the company would adjust the results to include the sample number?

Salento
09-04-19, 18:09
Central Roman 590 AD is my top match, a bit like yours, but not as close.
My 3rd is a Hellenic Roman 670 AD.

http://i.imgur.com/uvtpA0m.jpg

Jovialis
09-04-19, 18:13
https://i.imgur.com/SXsKjo9.png

These are my results using AncestryDNA raw data.

Hellenic Roman+Roman

Salento
09-04-19, 19:00
https://i.imgur.com/SXsKjo9.png

These are my results using AncestryDNA raw data.

Hellenic Roman+Roman

I get the same map and similar populations. lol

http://i.imgur.com/Cgyl1CW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1ZcxiQ4.jpg

Dibran
09-04-19, 19:17
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Central Roman 590AD is my closest. I am assuming these are the Pannonian Romans? So they're Southern shifted? Wouldn't make sense if they're actually Barbarian related samples. If they're Tuscan/Italian like southerners I guess it makes sense since I shift a bit that way.

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Central Roman (590 AD) (7.169)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.684)
3. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (11.61)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.27)
5. Central Roman (670 AD) (13.04)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.92)
7. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (13.96)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.09)
9. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (14.09)

Dibran
09-04-19, 19:23
Someone posted this on Anthro:

The relevant Archeogenetic matches and details from map are:

1 and 3 and 8... Central Roman (590AD) in Pannonia ...SZ43, SZ36, SZ32 (Szolad samples from Amorim Longobard paper)

2. Central Roman (670AD) in NW Italy (Collegno)...CL36 (Collegno samples from Amorim Longobard paper)

17.Central Roman/Mixed (590AD) in Pannonia...SZ19 (Szolad sample)

Jovialis
09-04-19, 19:30
I get the same map and similar populations. lol

http://i.imgur.com/Cgyl1CW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1ZcxiQ4.jpg

Seems like a glorious ancestry to me :)

blevins13
09-04-19, 19:37
10885


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Jovialis
09-04-19, 19:47
I get the same map and similar populations. lol

http://i.imgur.com/Cgyl1CW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1ZcxiQ4.jpg

Hellenic Romans

In the 8th century BC (before the Roman Republic), Greeks began a large colonization drive to southern Italy to populate Sicily, Campania, Calabria, Apulia and Bascilicata. The romans referred to this region which includes the boot of Italy as Magna Graecia (Greater Greece). This large scale migration was underway by the time of the Trojan War and lasted several centuries. The settlers brought Hellenic civilization which had a lasting impact on the culture of Ancient Rome. The Hellenic civilization interacted with the native Italic civilization. The Greek cities were one by one absorbed into the Roman Republic starting with Neapolis in 327 BC. Sicily was conqureed by Rome during the first Punic War against Carthage.
Sicily was initially populated by Phoenicians but then heavily colonized and settled by Greeks. Syracuse (Sicily) became the most populous greek city in the world by the 3rd century BC. The population of the island remained mostly unchanged.

Hellenic Romans seems to refer specifically to the Classical Greek colonization of Southern Italy; Magna Graecia. So I think it makes sense to for it to be Hellenic Roman + Roman for our first population.

Mine:

https://i.imgur.com/wkLhNJR.png

Dibran
09-04-19, 20:20
According to the Amorim charts of genetic structure at Szolad and Collegno: These were the Pannonian Roman samples

SZ43 is mostly TSI or Tuscan-like with about 30pc IBS (Iberian-like), with less than 10pc CEU+GBR (North European);

SZ36 is about 75pc Tuscan-like and 25pc Iberian (IBS);

SZ32 is about 60pc TSI and 40pc IBS;

SZ19 is 100pc TSI or Tuscan-like.

davef
09-04-19, 20:22
I get the same map and similar populations. lol

http://i.imgur.com/Cgyl1CW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1ZcxiQ4.jpg
Very cool calculator. I'm confused as to how Angela scored 9.x for Hellenic Roman, closer than your 11.64.

Angela
09-04-19, 20:33
They have both Hellenic Romans and Romans in the Pannonia area on the map, so the ones they've labelled Hellenic Romans must be more "southern"? Wish they'd put the numbers of the samples. As I said I'm very close to one, approximately 3, and further from others, i.e. approximately 9.


Dibran:
"According to the Amorim charts of genetic structure at Szolad and Collegno: These were the Pannonian Roman samples

SZ43 is mostly TSI or Tuscan-like with about 30pc IBS (Iberian-like), with less than 10pc CEU+GBR (North European);

SZ36 is about 75pc Tuscan-like and 25pc Iberian (IBS);

SZ32 is about 60pc TSI and 40pc IBS;

SZ19 is 100pc TSI or Tuscan-like."

https://i.imgur.com/yb3FkZC.png

https://i.imgur.com/yBzmeco.png

Fwiw, my Scythian similarity is a little weird. It showed up in that other ancients similarity calculator too. Those Avar and Hun re-settlements?

Maybe I have higher similarity to these ancient samples than to modern Italian samples because both my lines come from very isolated areas? I don't know. Maybe this is just a terrible calculator. I mean, can you just assume that because the samples come from an area with lots of Roman villas and Roman forts this is what the Romans of the early Empire looked like?

Jovialis
09-04-19, 21:05
https://i.imgur.com/SXsKjo9.png

These are my results using AncestryDNA raw data.

Hellenic Roman+Roman

https://i.imgur.com/M0rGWTh.png

https://i.imgur.com/dwk02hQ.png

These are the rest of my results.

Angela
09-04-19, 21:07
Another comparison. This time with Popres:
https://i.imgur.com/20nx3eO.png

Salento
09-04-19, 21:14
Very cool calculator. I'm confused as to how Angela scored 9.x for Hellenic Roman, closer than your 11.64.

She’s obviously genetically closer to that sample than me.

Salento
09-04-19, 21:45
Seems like a glorious ancestry to me :)

Our Glorious Ancestors changed the World, and their Legacy is still strong.

Now it’s our turn. We shall not disappoint them. :)

Angela
09-04-19, 22:11
Now they're trying to make something out of the fact that I'm closer to one of the Hellenic Roman samples than Salento is. There's a wide variation according to individual sample, and they're not using all of them. Jovialis, for example, is 8.288 with one such sample, while my distance is 9.734 to another.

Just stop with the t-rolling, people, accept the evidence as it comes in, and adjust your "theories" accordingly.

davef
09-04-19, 22:53
I was just confused as to how you were able to score a closer distance to them than a south Italian after reading your post describing them as a population resembling modern south Italians, so I asked for clarification. But now that you brought up the variation within those samples, i get it.
I'm super ok with you being closer to any poplulation at all compared to anyone and if I sounded t-rollish I'm apologizing

edit: what's with the downvote? I had no bad intentions behind this post as well as the last

Jovialis
10-04-19, 00:14
I have decided to get the upgraded membership. Here is my full archaeological map:

https://i.imgur.com/OchQQYh.png

Angela
10-04-19, 00:23
I have decided to get the upgraded membership. Here is my full archaeological map:

https://i.imgur.com/OchQQYh.png

WOW! Very cool. Look at the Mycenaean showing up, and Minoan, and Hittite. Amazing.

Jovialis
10-04-19, 01:06
Here are all of the versions of raw data I have, with complete archaeological maps:

https://i.imgur.com/DFDsvOV.jpg

matty74
10-04-19, 02:40
Oops, I posted this in the wrong thread, because I clicked on one of Angela's links to a previous thread, but here it is:

So, I spent the $$$ on this as well. The medical part sort of made me rethink the value of that site. It correctly predicted many things, including my hearing loss. Anyways, can anyone more intelligent than I tell me what this map is trying to tell me? What should I be looking at here given my own known ancestry? It appears that I'm not part of the exclusive Hellenic-Roman club! :)

https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=u16r7dlvbm&s=arch
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=u16r7dlvbm&s=hd
Longobard + Saxon (3.065)
Celt + Longobard (3.315)
Longobard (5.104)
Celt (6.764)
Saxon (7.239)


1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
4. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
5. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
6. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/1028)
7. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
8. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown
9. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
10. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
12. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
13. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
14. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
15. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
16. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
17. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
18. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
19. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
20. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/archaicdna.blogspot.com)

https://i.imgur.com/CFDBQsi.jpg

Angela
10-04-19, 04:03
Oops, I posted this in the wrong thread, because I clicked on one of Angela's links to a previous thread, but here it is:

So, I spent the $$$ on this as well. The medical part sort of made me rethink the value of that site. It correctly predicted many things, including my hearing loss. Anyways, can anyone more intelligent than I tell me what this map is trying to tell me? What should I be looking at here given my own known ancestry? It appears that I'm not part of the exclusive Hellenic-Roman club! :)

https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=u16r7dlvbm&s=arch
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=u16r7dlvbm&s=hd
Longobard + Saxon (3.065)
Celt + Longobard (3.315)
Longobard (5.104)
Celt (6.764)
Saxon (7.239)

I don't know your ancestry, Matty, but if you're of mainly North West European descent, then this "got" you. The Longobards are your closest ancient sample, which would indicate to me perhaps high northern German ancestry or some Scandinavian, considering the homeland of the Longobards. Likewise, your Saxon number would indicate ancestry from Germany, The Netherlands, perhaps England as well, since they invaded England. The Celt is present no doubt not only in England, but also in the more southern parts of Germany. You fit pretty well as a mix of two German tribes, with the Saxons having some "Celtic", or as a mix of Longobard and Celt.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/Lombard_Migration.jpg

Have you read Beowulf? :) There's a movie, too. Oh, and if you have Netflix there's a great series called "The Last Kingdom" about King Alfred and the Danish invasions of England. It's great.

Regio X
10-04-19, 04:29
It seems interesting. I wonder what methodological framework they use in the comparisons.

I'll try it when I access the laptop. :)

Salento
10-04-19, 04:54
Here are all of the versions of raw data I have, with complete archaeological maps:

https://i.imgur.com/DFDsvOV.jpg
Very nice.
That looks expensive, :) thanks for sharing. :satisfied:

matty74
10-04-19, 04:55
Angela,

I've seen the movie before and read the book back in high school. The book definitely hints at the mainland pagan European origins of the the Anglo-Saxons in England.

Here's my genetic ancestry via the Ancestry.com and MyHeritage.com. It just confused me a bit since I'm fairly new to this sort of discussion and joined for other reasons but it is interesting to me. I'm primarily German and descended mainly from European immigrants who emigrated from their homelands after the Civil War and into the 1900's. My maternal grandfather and his entire family is 100% Norwegian from southwestern Norway. My maternal grandmother is 1/2 German (great-grandfather was from Ostfriesland) and 1/4 Irish and 1/4 English/Scottish/Irish settlers mix.

My paternal grandfather is 50% German (Mecklenburg/Swedish Pomerania) through his father August (my g-grandfather) and 50% Danish through his mother. (Jutland). My g-grandmother was 100% Danish and I have the family immigration records too. My paternal grandmother is 50% German (Hannover/East Elbe) with my great grandmother being 100% German. She spoke Plattdeutsch at home and with her sisters. Her husband, my paternal great-grandfather was a typical American hodgepodge of British, French Canadian and German ancestry originating in Pennsylvania and Quebec. I've always thought the Scandinavian portion of my ancestry was overstated but perhaps I inherited more of those traits from my mother than my father.

I just got confused with the English/Celtic DNA references and how far south the Longobards were at that point in time.

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italouruguayan
10-04-19, 05:25
Mine....108921089310894

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Jovialis
10-04-19, 13:11
https://i.imgur.com/ryJky2P.png

My first match is SZ40, which is a 100% TSI sample from the Lombard paper. For the calculator to give it the label "Hellenic Roman" is nonsensical.

https://i.imgur.com/mL4HDrS.png

Duarte
10-04-19, 13:32
Thanks for the indication @Gibran. Very fun :)

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Note: I believe there is an error in the dating of two samples of Roman soldiers found in the Freiham-Nord District, Munich, Bavaria.
Mytrueancestry.com states that these samples were dated to be 300 BC when, in fact, they are dated to 300 AD.​ :)

brick
10-04-19, 13:34
https://i.imgur.com/ryJky2P.png

My first match is SZ40, which is a 100% TSI sample from the Lombard paper. For the calculator to give it the label "Hellenic Roman" is nonsensical.

https://i.imgur.com/mL4HDrS.png

This is where SZ40 plots in a present-day west Eurasians PCA.

https://i.imgur.com/e3IiDzp.jpg

Jovialis
10-04-19, 13:46
@Brick, Here's the PCA from the study.


Another comparison. This time with Popres:
https://i.imgur.com/20nx3eO.png

brick
10-04-19, 13:51
@Brick, Here's the PCA from the study.

This is better from the study, just my opinion.

https://i.imgur.com/kA73p4K.png

Stuvanè
10-04-19, 14:32
Done

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56632038_10219817729933076_3315457101718880256_o.j pg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=d19751b2785329c2bf176abfaf09454f&oe=5D322583

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56340131_10219817979459314_8618823980846940160_o.j pg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=57d5ea70d638f2d2d0b38d3c5a87d5bb&oe=5D311BB4



https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57070887_10219817982099380_8239266193207197696_n.j pg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=d9539bab84007064534394f69641d363&oe=5D35F466

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56640080_10219824216615239_688019551404687360_n.jp g?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=6854d23c0ad1f8d1240400be99e90afb&oe=5D338E8A

Jovialis
10-04-19, 14:44
Very cool, Stuvanè

@ Brick, SZ40 is probably around where I would plot at 8.288 distance. That would make sense for a person for my region. I guess the TSI modeling at 100% is because of lack of other models, from what I recall.

brick
10-04-19, 14:56
@ Brick I guess the TSI modeling at 100% is because of lack of other models, from what I recall.

Agreed, this may be the reason why in the PCA SZ40 is actually more to the South of TSI.

Jovialis
10-04-19, 14:57
WOW! Very cool. Look at the Mycenaean showing up, and Minoan, and Hittite. Amazing.

It is very fascinating! They seem to consistently show up in these ancient calculators:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38180-Similarity-rate-with-different-ancient-genomes/page5?p=572217&viewfull=1#post572217

Duarte
10-04-19, 15:04
Gallo Roman. Theres a first. Haven't seen any Albanian get it so far. Pretty cool.

Hi, Dibran.
I am far from you and Angela with respect to the capacity of interpretation of data from human genetic samples and their correlations with ancient history and modern history. Both of you are masters of the subject, and all that a can I have to do to is read, learn, and admire the knowledge that you both have, as well as so also have many very other assidous members of this forum.
Eupedia is a great virtual school and I'm very happy to be here.
Next, I put my modest impression on, and if I'm wrong, do not feel yourself embarrassed to correct me.
Archaeologically, the Gauls were bearers of the La Tène culture, which extended across all of Gaul, as well as east to Raetia, Noricum, Pannonia, and southwestern Germania during the 5th to 1st centuries BC. During the 2nd and 1st centuries BC, Gaul fell under Roman rule: Gallia Cisalpina was conquered in 203 BC and Gallia Narbonensis in 123 BC. Gaul was invaded after 120 BC by the Cimbri and the Teutons, who were in turn defeated by the Romans by 103 BC. Julius Caesar finally subdued the remaining parts of Gaul in his campaigns of 58 to 51 BC.
Pannonia was a province of the Roman Empire bounded north and east by the Danube, coterminous westward with Noricum and upper Italy, and southward with Dalmatia and upper Moesia. Pannonia was located over the territory of the present-day western Hungary, eastern Austria, northern Croatia, north-western Serbia, northern Slovenia, western Slovakia and northern Bosnia and Herzegovina.
In this sense, imo, it makes sense that some Albanians may have some relationship with the Gallo-Romans, considering that these ancient peoples also seem to have come so far, very close to what is now modern Albania.
A big hug :)

Jovialis
10-04-19, 15:10
This is the study with the Hittite sample:

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6396/eaar7711

https://i.imgur.com/WeXhhXp.jpg

bigsnake49
10-04-19, 15:21
Your Ancient map...https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=nr83xal6sz


Ancient Populations (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-ancient1) Ancient Samples (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-sample1) Modern Populations (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-modern1) Medical Analysis (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-medical1)
Your closest Ancient populations...
https://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanCentral.jpgRoman



RomansHellenic RomansGallo-RomansGallo-Roman + Hellenic Roman (12.96)
Roman (13.35)
Hellenic Roman + Roman (14.1)
Hellenic Roman (16.53)
Gallo-Roman (19.07)

bigsnake49
10-04-19, 15:23
Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
1. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.35)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.02)
3. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.68)
4. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (16.53)
5. Central Roman (670 AD) (16.96)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (18.94)
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.07)
8. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (19.99)
9. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.96)
10. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (21.07)
11. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (21.15)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (21.16)
13. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (21.48)
14. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (22.02)
15. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (22.05)
16. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (22.05)
17. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (22.19)
18. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (22.39)
19. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (22.57)
20. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (22.98)

bigsnake49
10-04-19, 15:25
Your closest genetic modern populations... (with AncestryDNA raw file)


1. Greek (6.975)
2. Kosovan (7.244)
3. Bulgarian (8.547)
4. Bosnian (11.34)
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Your closest genetic modern populations... with LivingDNA raw file
1. Greek (5.176)
2. Kosovan (6.746)
3. Bulgarian (7.448)
4. Greek_Thessaly (9.552)
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Regio X
10-04-19, 17:51
It seems interesting. I wonder what methodological framework they use in the comparisons.

I'll try it when I access the laptop. :)https://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/MyAncientMap_FTDNA_zpsmjcgrkns.jpg (http://[URL="http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/MyAncientMap_FTDNA_zpsmjcgrkns.jpg.html%5D%5BIMG%5 Dhttps://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/MyAncientMap_FTDNA_zpsmjcgrkns.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL")

https://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/MyAncientPop_FTDNA_zpsjhdgdymz.jpg (http://[URL="http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/MyAncientPop_FTDNA_zpsjhdgdymz.jpg.html%5D%5BIMG%5 Dhttps://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/MyAncientPop_FTDNA_zpsjhdgdymz.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL")

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (3.809)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (6.157)
3. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (6.232)
4. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (7.404)
5. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (8.294)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.4)
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.407)
8. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (10.86)
9. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.04)
10. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (11.04)
11. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.52)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.61)
13. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.2)
14. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (13.33)
15. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.8)
16. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (13.82)
17. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.56)
18. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (14.88)
19. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (15.24)
20. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (16.34)


Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. North_Italian (7.641)
2. Spanish_Cataluna (9.274)
3. Spanish_Extremadura (9.600)
4. Spanish_Murcia (9.807)
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Regio X
10-04-19, 17:54
https://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/MyAncientMap_23andMe_zpsgjmp3bqf.jpg (https://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/MyAncientMap_23andMe_zpsgjmp3bqf.jpg.html%5D%5BIMG %5Dhttps://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/MyAncientMap_23andMe_zpsgjmp3bqf.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL)

https://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/MyAncientPop_23andMe_zpsocfpr4fu.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/MyAncientPop_23andMe_zpsocfpr4fu.jpg.html%5D%5BIMG %5Dhttps://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/MyAncientPop_23andMe_zpsocfpr4fu.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (3.516)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (5.833)
3. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (6.048)
4. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (7.505)
5. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (8.346)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.844)
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.868)
8. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (11.12)
9. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.49)
10. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (11.49)
11. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.74)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.02)
13. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.6)
14. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (13.64)
15. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.73)
16. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (14.27)
17. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.98)
18. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (15.28)
19. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (15.74)
20. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (16.75)

Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. North_Italian (7.993)
2. Spanish_Cataluna (9.178)
3. Spanish_Extremadura (9.460)
4. Spanish_Murcia (9.659)
5. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account

Regio X
10-04-19, 17:57
https://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/FatherAncientMap_23andMe_zpsbidqaet3.jpg (https://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/FatherAncientMap_23andMe_zpsbidqaet3.jpg.html%5D%5 BIMG%5Dhttps://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/FatherAncientMap_23andMe_zpsbidqaet3.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL)

https://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/FatherAncientPop_23andMe_zpsg3v4sjgv.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/FatherAncientPop_23andMe_zpsg3v4sjgv.jpg.html%5D%5 BIMG%5Dhttps://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/FatherAncientPop_23andMe_zpsg3v4sjgv.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (7.724)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (7.724)
3. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (8.274)
4. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (8.403)
5. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (8.418)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.483)
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.786)
8. Central Roman (590 AD) (10.18)
9. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.32)
10. Central Roman (590 AD) (10.32)
11. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.84)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.94)
13. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.1)
14. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (11.83)
15. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.9)
16. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (12.86)
17. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.94)
18. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (13.18)
19. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (14.13)
20. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (14.53)

Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. North_Italian (6.234)
2. Tuscan (10.21)
3. Portuguese (11.09)
4. Spanish_Galicia (11.41)
5. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account

Regio X
10-04-19, 17:59
https://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/MotherAncientMap_23andMe_zpsxvskc1zw.jpg (https://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/MotherAncientMap_23andMe_zpsxvskc1zw.jpg.html%5D%5 BIMG%5Dhttps://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/MotherAncientMap_23andMe_zpsxvskc1zw.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL)

https://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/MotherAncientPop_23andMe_zpsrtc8rmkf.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/MotherAncientPop_23andMe_zpsrtc8rmkf.jpg.html%5D%5 BIMG%5Dhttps://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/MotherAncientPop_23andMe_zpsrtc8rmkf.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (5.775)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (6.212)
3. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (7.432)
4. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (7.715)
5. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (7.715)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (8.45)
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (8.606)
8. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (10.01)
9. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.02)
10. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (10.43)
11. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.71)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.01)
13. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (11.07)
14. Central Roman (670 AD) (11.22)
15. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.29)
16. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (11.4)
17. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.52)
18. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.84)
19. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.94)
20. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (14.37)

Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. North_Italian (8.136)
2. Spanish_Galicia (8.492)
3. Portuguese (8.633)
4. Spanish_Cataluna (9.055)
5. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account

Angela
10-04-19, 18:05
So, did the Italic tribes indeed cross the Adriatic to become the Appennine herder culture???

Odd that you're closer to Illyrians than the people living in the area now.

Well, maybe not. Maybe it's normal.

The people living in Pannonia are no longer "Central Roman".

I wonder if your results are impacted, however, by your Cimbri ancestry? How much of your ancestry is attributable to them?

matty74
10-04-19, 18:47
Are Pannonians also the Illyrians? Or are these two distinct groups? It seems like there was a lot of movement/migrations in this area.

Milan.M
10-04-19, 19:05
I think that Balkans started to shift more east from Iron age onwards,even in Roman times,Strabo says that Scythians and Thracians are very intemingled among themselves.

Begining of Iron age and so called Thraco-Cimmerian culture or we can call it Thraco-Scythian there is obvious archeological link.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Thraco-Cimmerian.png/300px-Thraco-Cimmerian.png

That is probably true for the Greeks and how after Mycenaean period they recieved more northern ancestry.

Salento
10-04-19, 19:09
https://i.imgur.com/ryJky2P.png

My first match is SZ40, which is a 100% TSI sample from the Lombard paper. For the calculator to give it the label "Hellenic Roman" is nonsensical.

https://i.imgur.com/mL4HDrS.png

23andme matches (full) (Same top sample)

http://i.imgur.com/FWCkIRS.jpg

Salento
10-04-19, 19:15
RawD 23andme v4

http://i.imgur.com/AXpUaY7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/C6TNGlw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FWCkIRS.jpg

Salento
10-04-19, 19:24
RawD Ancestry


http://i.imgur.com/AXpUaY7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UvIHVKf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mCh9v8Z.jpg

Jovialis
10-04-19, 19:33
I feel as though the AncestryDNA raw data paints a fuller picture, than the 23andme raw data. For example, I do not get Sicily beaker in Living DNA, or 23andme. But It comes up with the AncestryDNA, as well as the combined raw data file.

Regio X
10-04-19, 19:54
So, did the Italic tribes indeed cross the Adriatic to become the Appennine herder culture???
Odd that you're closer to Illyrians than the people living in the area now.
Well, maybe not. Maybe it's normal.
The people living in Pannonia are no longer "Central Roman".
I wonder if your results are impacted, however, by your Cimbri ancestry? How much of your ancestry is attributable to them?I confess I still didn't "digest" the results posted here yet, including my own. I saw them all very briefly. I'll try to do it when I find more time.

As for the cimbri, well, my guess is that I haven't inherited too much from them, 'cause they're too far. That's why I talked about it as a "factoid" in another thread. :)
The cimbra was my father's 2nd great-grandmother. Maybe half cimbra, because I'm not sure about her mother, while her father certainly was cimbro.

Salento
10-04-19, 20:12
I feel as though the AncestryDNA raw data paints a fuller picture, than the 23andme raw data. For example, I do not get Sicily beaker in Living DNA, or 23andme. But It comes up with the AncestryDNA, as well as the combined raw data file.

I posted the 23andme v4, I should have specified that.

I chose the v4 because the v5 missed the Ostrogoths too. :)

markod
10-04-19, 21:21
https://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/MyAncientMap_FTDNA_zpsmjcgrkns.jpg (http://[URL="http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/MyAncientMap_FTDNA_zpsmjcgrkns.jpg.html%5D%5BIMG%5 Dhttps://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/MyAncientMap_FTDNA_zpsmjcgrkns.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL")

https://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/MyAncientPop_FTDNA_zpsjhdgdymz.jpg (http://[URL="http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/MyAncientPop_FTDNA_zpsjhdgdymz.jpg.html%5D%5BIMG%5 Dhttps://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/MyAncientPop_FTDNA_zpsjhdgdymz.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL")

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (3.809)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (6.157)
3. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (6.232)
4. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (7.404)
5. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (8.294)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.4)
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.407)
8. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (10.86)
9. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.04)
10. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (11.04)
11. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.52)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.61)
13. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.2)
14. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (13.33)
15. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.8)
16. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (13.82)
17. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.56)
18. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (14.88)
19. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (15.24)
20. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (16.34)


Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. North_Italian (7.641)
2. Spanish_Cataluna (9.274)
3. Spanish_Extremadura (9.600)
4. Spanish_Murcia (9.807)
5. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account

That's a really tiny distance for such an ancient sample - crazy. Are you from north-eastern Italy?

Looks like northern Italy and the western Balkans were settled by very similar BA populations.

Regio X
10-04-19, 21:43
That's a really tiny distance for such an ancient sample - crazy. Are you from north-eastern Italy?
Looks like northern Italy and the western Balkans were settled by very similar BA populations.Yep, Northeastern mainly (in ancestry). The exception is my father's paternal grandmother, from Mantova province, Lombardy.

Perhaps I inherited much of their "Illyrian side" and became closer to Illyrians compared to them. :)

Regio X
10-04-19, 21:49
It seems interesting. I wonder what methodological framework they use in the comparisons.
I'll try it when I access the laptop. :)It looks just an Oracle, then they must have been using Admixture...

Salento
11-04-19, 02:40
I feel as though the AncestryDNA raw data paints a fuller picture, than the 23andme raw data. For example, I do not get Sicily beaker in Living DNA, or 23andme. But It comes up with the AncestryDNA, as well as the combined raw data file.

I posted the 23andme v4, I should have specified that.
I chose the v4 because the v5 missed the Ostrogoths too. :)

Premium Maps: 23 vs Anc.
Roman, Hellenic Roman, and Illyrian differences.

23 v4:
http://i.imgur.com/RgcrP8N.jpg
Anc.
http://i.imgur.com/7jwR2BW.jpg



Complete Archeological Maps. 23 vs Anc.:
23 v4
http://i.imgur.com/AXpUaY7.jpg
Anc.
http://i.imgur.com/a3SHt6q.jpg

matty74
11-04-19, 03:50
Can someone explain to me what these genetic distances are?

Salento
11-04-19, 04:19
Can someone explain to me what these genetic distances are?
The smaller the Number, the closer you are related.

From the website:

Genetic distance measures how close you are to a given sample.

10 means this is your ancient ancestry

20 means this is part of your ancestral link

30 means possibly related to your ancestry

matty74
11-04-19, 04:38
Thanks for the information. I find it hard to believe I'm that closely related to those ancient populations. Some of you are related to much older populations, so those distances make sense. So taking those numbers into account, I'm directly descended from those dirty barbarians. We're to blame for the Dark Ages. Will I need to make reparations for Rome?!

I assume those archaeogentic matches are from grave sites or archaeological discoveries in the region? It's interesting that my closest match is a "Pict" and I've associated those with ancient Scotland but this site is in northern Italy per the map. What gives??

Your closest Ancient populations

Longobard + Saxon (3.065)
Celt + Longobard (3.315)
Longobard (5.104)
Celt (6.764)
Saxon (7.239)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches

1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
4. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
5. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
6. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/1028)
7. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
8. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown
9. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
10. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
12. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
13. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
14. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
15. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
16. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
17. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
18. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
19. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
20. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/archaicdna.blogspot.com)

Jovialis
11-04-19, 11:11
The rest of my family gets almost the same exact results as me. Including my mother and father, who have a map almost identical to mine. With some different samples of Hellenic Romans, Romans, etc. But are in the same general grouping.

@Salento, they get a similar complete archaeological map to the ones you have.

Duarte
11-04-19, 13:27
Thanks for the information. I find it hard to believe I'm that closely related to those ancient populations. Some of you are related to much older populations, so those distances make sense. So taking those numbers into account, I'm directly descended from those dirty barbarians. We're to blame for the Dark Ages. Will I need to make reparations for Rome?!

I assume those archaeogentic matches are from grave sites or archaeological discoveries in the region? It's interesting that my closest match is a "Pict" and I've associated those with ancient Scotland but this site is in northern Italy per the map. What gives??

Your closest Ancient populations

Longobard + Saxon (3.065)
Celt + Longobard (3.315)
Longobard (5.104)
Celt (6.764)
Saxon (7.239)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches

1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
4. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
5. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
6. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/1028)
7. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
8. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown
9. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
10. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
12. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
13. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
14. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
15. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
16. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
17. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
18. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
19. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
20. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/archaicdna.blogspot.com)


Dear matty.
The Pict people was celts that lived to the north of the rivers Forth and Clyde, and spoke the Pictish language, which was closely related to the Celtic Brittonic language spoken by the Britons who lived to the south of them.
After the Roman conquest of Britain in the 1st century, a Romano-British culture emerged, and Latin and British Vulgar Latin coexisted with Brittonic. During and after the Roman era, the Britons lived throughout Britain. Their relationship with the Picts, who lived north of the Firth of Forth, has been the subject of much discussion, though most scholars now accept that the Pictish language was related to Common Brittonic, rather than a separate Celtic language (Reference: English Wikipedia).
We can especulat that this ancient pict man may be related to Romanized Britons who must have passed through the northwest of Italy, I do not Know :)

Regio X
11-04-19, 14:06
Can someone explain to me what these genetic distances are?They must run the user's and ancient's data in a certain calculator and then set the distances based on the differences for each cluster, as a common Oracle. Just a guess.
While it may provide clues on real ancestry or shared ancestry, in my opinion it should not be taken too literally.

magicalM
11-04-19, 14:11
Here is minehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190411/36ffce9d91035e3bfbc0398d0008d19a.jpg

Sent fra min Moto G (5) Plus via Tapatalk

Angela
11-04-19, 14:53
Thanks for the information. I find it hard to believe I'm that closely related to those ancient populations. Some of you are related to much older populations, so those distances make sense. So taking those numbers into account, I'm directly descended from those dirty barbarians. We're to blame for the Dark Ages. Will I need to make reparations for Rome?!

I assume those archaeogentic matches are from grave sites or archaeological discoveries in the region? It's interesting that my closest match is a "Pict" and I've associated those with ancient Scotland but this site is in northern Italy per the map. What gives??

Your closest Ancient populations

Longobard + Saxon (3.065)
Celt + Longobard (3.315)
Longobard (5.104)
Celt (6.764)
Saxon (7.239)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches

1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
4. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
5. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
6. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/1028)
7. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
8. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown
9. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
10. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
12. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
13. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
14. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
15. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
16. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
17. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
18. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
19. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
20. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/archaicdna.blogspot.com)


In the Collegno graveyard there were people who were more Celtic like than Longobard like. They might be descendants of people who were picked up along the Longobard journey from northern Germany. Picts are also Celts. That's why this company chose that name. I don't think it was necessarily a wise choice. It just confuses people.

Salento
11-04-19, 15:23
The rest of my family gets almost the same exact results as me. Including my mother and father, who have a map almost identical to mine. With some different samples of Hellenic Romans, Romans, etc. But are in the same general grouping.

@Salento, they get a similar complete archaeological map to the ones you have.

In a general sense we could represent the Apulian's genetic makeup.

As I have in common similarities on the maps, your closest relatives are definitely Great People, Very Smart, and Really Good-Looking. :)

Salento
11-04-19, 16:07
@matty74 as Reparation goes, you should take into account that those Gladiators in your results weren’t the beneficiaries of freedom (you know what I mean).

@Duarte imho:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34478-Is-the-Central-Italian-component-in-Living-DNA-a-good-proxy-for-Roman-ancestry?p=557126&viewfull=1#post557126

Mars
11-04-19, 17:07
This is me. I'm of full northern italian ancestry. Question: might the scythian "ancestry" be real somehow?

Your closest Ancient populations...Gallo-Roman + Roman (2.919)
Roman (4.68)
Scythian + Roman (4.763)
Gallo-Roman (7.774)
Scythian (10.0)


Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

1. Central Roman (590 AD) (4.68)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (4.79)
3. Central Roman (670 AD) (5.554)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (7.774)
5. Central Roman (590 AD) (9.168)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.941)
7. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (10.0)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.07)
9. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (11.0)

Angela
11-04-19, 17:22
This is me. I'm of full northern italian ancestry. Question: might the scythian "ancestry" be real somehow?

Your closest Ancient populations...

Gallo-Roman + Roman (2.919)
Roman (4.68)
Scythian + Roman (4.763)
Gallo-Roman (7.774)
Scythian (10.0)


Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

1. Central Roman (590 AD) (4.68)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (4.79)
3. Central Roman (670 AD) (5.554)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (7.774)
5. Central Roman (590 AD) (9.168)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.941)
7. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (10.0)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.07)
9. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (11.0)

I got it too, although not as close a score as yours. I'm not sure what to make of it. It also showed up on Kurd's ancient calculator. I think at that time I concluded that it might just be a trace of a slightly more "eastern" steppe strain.

Regio X
11-04-19, 17:45
I decided to compare their results (modern pops) with GedMatch's. Mine, father's, mother's... You all can do the same. And guess what? Their Oracle resembles the EUtest V2 K15 Oracle. Just the numbers are slightly different, also because the references may differ a bit. Still...
So it must function roughly the way I described.

Anyway, using existing tools or not, they must have had a lot of work. The page is very well built, and the test is useful. It'll be probably improved soon, as more ancient DNAs are available. Congrats to the authors!

Jovialis
11-04-19, 18:25
I decided to compare their results (modern pops) with GedMatch's. Mine, father's, mother's... You all can do the same. And guess what? Their Oracle resembles the EUtest V2 K15 Oracle. Just the numbers are slightly different, also because the references may differ a bit. Still...
So it must function roughly the way I described.

Anyway, using existing tools or not, they must have had a lot of work. The page is very well built, and the test is useful. It'll be probably improved soon, as more ancient DNAs are available. Congrats to the authors!

I really do like this calculator too, I hope they do add to it as time goes on. I really appreciate the way they link the specific samples back to the papers they come from.

Duarte
11-04-19, 18:32
@matty74 as Reparation goes, you should take into account that those Gladiators in your results weren’t the beneficiaries of freedom (you know what I mean).

@Duarte imho:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34478-Is-the-Central-Italian-component-in-Living-DNA-a-good-proxy-for-Roman-ancestry?p=557126&viewfull=1#post557126

Thanks Salento 😀 👍

Cescut
11-04-19, 18:46
This is what I got:
My closest ancient population :
Hellenic Roman + Illyrian (9.957)
Hellenic Roman + Roman (11.83)
Roman (13.75)
Hellenic Roman (14.14)
Illyrian (14.23)

My closest archaeogenetics matches:
1. Medieval Tyrolean (590 A.D.) (13.58)
2. Hidden
3. Hellenic Roman (590 A.D) (14.14 )
4. Hidden
5. Thracian Bulgaria (450 B.C.) (14.23)
6. Hidden
7.Cisalpine Gaul (590 A.D) (14. 72)
8. Hidden
9. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 A.D.) (15.17)
10-20. Hidden

My closest genetic modern population:
1.Greek_Thessaly (12.66)
2. Tuscan (13.61)
3. Macedonian (14.26)
4. North Italian (14.73)
5-8. Hidden

(In the map I got also a couple of Scythian dots)

Angela
11-04-19, 19:09
I decided to compare their results (modern pops) with GedMatch's. Mine, father's, mother's... You all can do the same. And guess what? Their Oracle resembles the EUtest V2 K15 Oracle. Just the numbers are slightly different, also because the references may differ a bit. Still...
So it must function roughly the way I described.

Anyway, using existing tools or not, they must have had a lot of work. The page is very well built, and the test is useful. It'll be probably improved soon, as more ancient DNAs are available. Congrats to the authors!

I agree. I would never have attempted to compare my genome with all of these ancient samples.

I have to say it's a little strange for me to think that I'm closer genetically to an ancient sample from Roman Pannonia in 590 AD, than to any modern Italian population. My best scores are usually a 4 or a 5 to Bergamo and Tuscany, or Tuscany and Bergamo, depending on the calculator, and here I got a 3.614 to a single Roman sample. Even with the Piedmont/Ligurian sample, my score is 4.73 and everything else is higher (MDLP K23b).

I don't know if this is the same Eurogenes calculator you're discussing, but these are my scores:

#Population (source)Distance1Tuscan5.032North_Italian6.053Ital ian_Abruzzo10.054West_Sicilian10.515Spanish_Murcia 11.936Spanish_Extremadura11.977Spanish_Andalucia11 .988Greek12.419Portuguese12.5610Greek_Thessaly12.7 11Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon12.8912Spanish_Cataluna12 .9813Spanish_Valencia13.0114East_Sicilian13.6115Ce ntral_Greek13.6416Spanish_Galicia13.7817Spanish_Ca stilla_La_Mancha13.9218Bulgarian14.2319South_Itali an14.8620Romanian14.91

I'm pretty sure the higher Sicilian than Southern Italian scores are because of the "Lombard", actually all of Northwestern Italy, migration to Sicily in the Middle Ages to "reclaim" it for Latin Christianity.

Jovialis
11-04-19, 19:10
https://i.imgur.com/naFvK8C.png

https://i.imgur.com/tvwDEnK.png

My DNA Land results match the Mytrueancestry results

AncestryDNA

bigsnake49
11-04-19, 20:32
I decided to compare their results (modern pops) with GedMatch's. Mine, father's, mother's... You all can do the same. And guess what? Their Oracle resembles the EUtest V2 K15 Oracle. Just the numbers are slightly different, also because the references may differ a bit. Still...
So it must function roughly the way I described.

Anyway, using existing tools or not, they must have had a lot of work. The page is very well built, and the test is useful. It'll be probably improved soon, as more ancient DNAs are available. Congrats to the authors!

Yeah my results are pretty close.

Duarte
11-04-19, 21:06
Dear friends.
I was able to note in many of the comments of this thread the strangeness of some regarding the presence of ancient samples of Illyrians, Scythians, and Thracians in the results of Iberians, French and North Italian.
In that sense I upgraded my MyTrueAncestry account and now appear which were the ancestral samples that were used in the comparison.
In order to collaborate, I share these results of my ancestry so that the specialists of the Forum can make a more detailed analysis of these ancient samples of Illyrians, Scythians, and Thracians, verifying the accuracy of the presented results.
Hugs to all.

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italouruguayan
11-04-19, 22:10
Hello Duarte
I asked myself the same about the Illyrian populations present in my results ... maybe they are related to the Venetian origin of my paternal family. And in the 10th place in "Your closest Archaeogenetics Matches", figure "Gepid / Goth", and it reminded me the story of Alboin king of the Lombards, defeated the king of the Gepids in Pannonia (and incorporating his people) before moving forward to Italy ...

matty74
11-04-19, 22:32
Way cool Duarte and it gives us a valuable insight into prehistoric Spain and Portugal as well. I've seen Medieval Tyrolian a few times now, what is that exactly? I'm assuming Germanic or is it a mixture?

Duarte
11-04-19, 22:40
Hello Duarte
I asked myself the same about the Illyrian populations present in my results ... maybe they are related to the Venetian origin of my paternal family. And in the 10th place in "Your closest Archaeogenetics Matches", figure "Gepid / Goth", and it reminded me the story of Alboin king of the Lombards, defeated the king of the Gepids in Pannonia (and incorporating his people) before moving forward to Italy ...

Hello, Italouruguayan.
In a certain topic I saw a comment from Maciamo explaining that in the province of Pannonia, where lived one part of the Illyrians, there were many Roman settlements, which could justify these matchs with the Illyrians. Thanks for the explanations on the story of Alboin king of the Lombards.
Big hug :)

Duarte
11-04-19, 22:46
Way cool Duarte and it gives us a valuable insight into prehistoric Spain and Portugal as well. I've seen Medieval Tyrolian a few times now, what is that exactly? I'm assuming Germanic or is it a mixture?

Hi matty.
Germanic ancestry in the peoples of the Iberian peninsula is common. It is a legacy of the Suevi, Visigoths and Vandals, Germanic peoples who invaded the Iberian peninsula when the Roman Empire collapsed.
Big hug :)

HYGILI4K
11-04-19, 23:09
Mine.

I don't know if it's trustful...

10904

10905

10906

Duarte
11-04-19, 23:22
Mine.

I don't know if it's trustful...

10904

10905

10906

In my opinion, very useful. Thanks HYGILI4K :)

Jovialis
11-04-19, 23:57
Dear friends.
I was able to note in many of the comments of this thread the strangeness of some regarding the presence of ancient samples of Illyrians, Scythians, and Thracians in the results of Iberians, French and North Italian.
In that sense I upgraded my MyTrueAncestry account and now appear which were the ancestral samples that were used in the comparison.
In order to collaborate, I share these results of my ancestry so that the specialists of the Forum can make a more detailed analysis of these ancient samples of Illyrians, Scythians, and Thracians, verifying the accuracy of the presented results.
Hugs to all.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/dxOJcD-KH3Q_9AjUq1rn1-3QWY7r7u3y9RlCvYkuNM452-KtYq0Oxv2TfwAXJ4NXK4y5z6iFwuXCxOlcj116U7KhSN_6JJ3p HVgYtIveHYjxHETNxSGfdVJkuy66PdkhIN-ATEmtIoYxp8OR0utP3ADaOHyYM5cyVI4hWwFBYCfSkSrFetz9U 6TT_ItY0pw5hy--KE_2rHgySidbEMCr43xhngMdRqrWptCjaddnuU5ClDj6SAi4G6 aV0oRklWMS64gfZ_XW1boTC0jjzlRRgU57jnrygEZEGDoOfPns HuD6ZU66cudUeUqwX6CMIiGSu6tUG79p_O6ciJARqAd9zb0Y35 hmSYpZtdkmNoTrqmkAaS5nZr-WZbUQ9E_7LBiCNVHPytzkyNv5jeCVpiAjERPPVjV9azvW5C2b-n_yk4KQBly3YwDgQEtcjF8KxwPpq8OrELtz3QOfP65Zv0xBkgK-eCFvRK2JHSDJH6bifmINwehmWZUGJvzHHPp3l1af1IwulfQ-uEAkFkkpfHc_bxKk_LKUqtcPqrqXTKEsPePtinLTgh8ZTKYH9J 01mlDrIfx_VbEQr1CvOTd2dcT6SLRAIKZ2Hcy9AxNzMsx-plhJJ3809ks-G9-j2R9vOWxgRKfxPrvd45Ro7yBEB6Ht1yoy6Iz5MmE=w1157-h684-no

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I'm unable to see the pictures, they come out as gray error messages. Could you post a screen cap with imgur?

HYGILI4K
12-04-19, 00:00
Thank you :good_job:

But I don't think my closest ancient population is scythian. Father is of italian ancestry, and mother is central portuguese.

Would make more sense to me roman :48:

Duarte
12-04-19, 01:32
I'm unable to see the pictures, they come out as gray error messages. Could you post a screen cap with imgur?

Hi Jovialis. Thanks :good_job:
That is with Imgur links:

https://imgur.com/p50txp4https://imgur.com/p50txp4https://i.imgur.com/p50txp4.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Lkook15.png
https://i.imgur.com/54lIlr9.png

https://i.imgur.com/JDqJupE.png
https://i.imgur.com/3rXYXn4.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZWvPHHm.jpg

matty74
12-04-19, 02:49
Strange, I was able to see both of Duarte's submissions. Perhaps it is a browser issue? I do think they should make this forum a little less archaic and easier to submit photos to, but I won't complain.

Duarte
12-04-19, 03:42
Strange, I was able to see both of Duarte's submissions. Perhaps it is a browser issue? I do think they should make this forum a little less archaic and easier to submit photos to, but I won't complain.

Hi matty.
I think it's an OS problem. Images are not displayed on computers with MacOSx, which is Apple's operating system. On my MacBook Pro with the macOS High Sierra operating system, the images do not appear if they have not been posted with Imgur links, no matter if you are using chrome, safari or firefox. In Windows they appear perfectly, whatever the browser. I've been posting with links from google photos, but now that I've discovered these links only work on windows, I'm going to use only Imgur, because then the images will always appear, either on windows or on the Mac.
A big hug :)

Salento
12-04-19, 03:53
depending on settings and permissions, links on web drives could expire quickly in a matter of hours.

matty74
12-04-19, 03:54
I'm working out of MacBook Pro here as well. I've had some issues but was able to view both of your image submissions. Perhaps its because we're both operating via the some OS.

Regio X
12-04-19, 04:48
I agree. I would never have attempted to compare my genome with all of these ancient samples.
I have to say it's a little strange for me to think that I'm closer genetically to an ancient sample from Roman Pannonia in 590 AD, than to any modern Italian population. My best scores are usually a 4 or a 5 to Bergamo and Tuscany, or Tuscany and Bergamo, depending on the calculator, and here I got a 3.614 to a single Roman sample. Even with the Piedmont/Ligurian sample, my score is 4.73 and everything else is higher (MDLP K23b).
I don't know if this is the same Eurogenes calculator you're discussing, but these are my scores:
#Population (source)Distance1Tuscan5.032North_Italian6.053Ital ian_Abruzzo10.054West_Sicilian10.515Spanish_Murcia 11.936Spanish_Extremadura11.977Spanish_Andalucia11 .988Greek12.419Portuguese12.5610Greek_Thessaly12.7 11Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon12.8912Spanish_Cataluna12 .9813Spanish_Valencia13.0114East_Sicilian13.6115Ce ntral_Greek13.6416Spanish_Galicia13.7817Spanish_Ca stilla_La_Mancha13.9218Bulgarian14.2319South_Itali an14.8620Romanian14.91
I'm pretty sure the higher Sicilian than Southern Italian scores are because of the "Lombard", actually all of Northwestern Italy, migration to Sicily in the Middle Ages to "reclaim" it for Latin Christianity.I get less distance to ancient than to modern as well. I confess I don't know exactly why. Perhaps just two different contexts? Modern makes sense as modern. Notice that any individual, ancient or not, "will be" categorized in the available clusters, necessarily, but the results per se won't tell us nothing about the strenght of the fits. Still, a close result can't be a mere coincidence. Or maybe the distances are just adjusted in some way, in order to the interpretation suggested by the company makes more sense? Unlikely, but... It could be checked, if some of these ancients are in GedMatch.
Also, our results, in modern Oracle, must be compared with averages of references, not with specific individuals, as in the ancient Oracle. Perhaps you'd get even less distance when compared to some specific modern Tuscan or North Italian individual used as one of the references for the related pop. We could visualize it better in a PCA.
Not to mention possible margins. A difference of just 1% in one cluster would imply a correspondant difference in another one, meaning an additional of 2 in distance. Anyway, again: we shouldn't take it too literally.

Thanks for posting your scores. K15, right? If what I said is true, then the list should be the same as MyTrueAncestry's, with slightly different numbers. Is it the case?


I really do like this calculator too, I hope they do add to it as time goes on. I really appreciate the way they link the specific samples back to the papers they come from.Yeah, there is this concordance between different tools toward certain results, and we could already check their value, empirically.
You do seem similar to Myceneans, for example, as reinforced by both the similarity rate based on K36 and the distance in MyTrueAncestry, which probably uses different clusters, even if also from Eurogenes. In fact, I don't know if just the modern would be based on K15 (?) or also the ancient...
Perhaps K36, associated to the similarity rate, is even better for the job, breaking down more ancestral components. But it increases distances, making more sense to talk about similarity, inversely.
Of course, it doesn't inform "absolute" similarity. I'm affraid it's not the best tool for it. But I guess absolute similarity could be less informative of ancestry.

As for the improvement, they also could include a PCA based on modern pops (assuming they do use K15 - itself based in modern pop -; I'm not sure), with the user and all ancient samples placed... At least we could visualize the distances and also the "directions".

davef
12-04-19, 05:22
Im having so much fun reading results from this calculator. It's seriously the most interesting one I've ever seen and I've been waiting impatiently for one that can compare you to ancient Greeks, Romans and (hopefully it has them) Egyptians

TardisBlue
12-04-19, 07:38
These are my Mother's results, she's French.

https://i.ibb.co/nMybptj/Capture-d-cran-2019-04-09-13-41-16.png

https://i.ibb.co/bX804QQ/Capture-d-cran-2019-04-09-13-42-22.png
https://i.ibb.co/R7V38D2/Capture-d-cran-2019-04-09-13-42-27.png

Duarte
12-04-19, 13:28
depending on settings and permissions, links on web drives could expire quickly in a matter of hours.

Dear Salento.
IMO, I believe this is a configuration problem of proxy/firewall of the computer that Jovialis is using.


I did the inspection of the page and checked that in the source code in html language that both posts are there, both in the google link, and the Imgur link.


it seems that some Proxy settings are preventing the display of the image links generated by "google photos" on Jovialis's computer.


Here are the transcripts of the parts of the page where are the GOOGLE source code and the IMGUR source code.

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I was able to note in many of the comments of this thread the strangeness of some regarding the presence of ancient samples of Illyrians, Scythians, and Thracians in the results of Iberians, French and North Italian.<br />



In that sense I upgraded my MyTrueAncestry account and now appear which were the ancestral samples that were used in the comparison.<br />



In order to collaborate, I share these results of my ancestry so that the specialists of the Forum can make a more detailed analysis of these ancient samples of Illyrians, Scythians, and Thracians, verifying the accuracy of the presented results.<br />



Hugs to all.<br />



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All links are up and running.
Big hug :)

Jovialis
12-04-19, 13:44
Thanks for the insight, Duarte!

@ Regio X,

Indeed, I would like to also see both a 2D and 3D PCA added to the calculator. As well as other similar tools used in the research papers, like percentage bar graphics, using ancient DNA source populations to model individuals in multiple ways.

The Mycenaean is pretty consistent throughout these calculators. I think it is because the ABA that settled in southern Italy during the early to middle bronze-age were a Mycenaean-like people that developed independently of the actual Mycenaeans in Greece. Though there's also been a long history of Greek and Balkan migration into southern Italy too. So some could be actual Mycenaean. They also were affected by the same Bronze-age movements.

Regio X
12-04-19, 13:44
@Duarte
I'm using a smartphone with Android, and your images don't show up here.

@Jovialis
Agreed.

Duarte
12-04-19, 14:10
@Duarte
I'm using a smartphone with Android, and your images don't show up here.
@Jovialis
Agreed.

Thank you by the feedback Regio.
It seems like we are fighting a battle with technology and we are losing. We need to get some help from a teenager, LOL.
I use the iPhone with IOS 12.2 and all images are showing up. Help us Bill Gates and Steve Jobs (R.I.P). LOL
Big Hugs to all :)

Sverker
12-04-19, 14:24
Wow thats amazing! How did you get that picture?

Duarte
12-04-19, 14:38
Wow thats amazing! How did you get that picture?

Hi Sverker.
Upload your autossomal data raw (Family Tree DNA - FTDNA, Ancestry.com, 23andMe, Myheritage) for free at https://mytrueancestry.com/ that you will obtain a simplified map of your ancient ancestry. See the first post of this thread (# 1) maked by Dibran with all explanations.
Big Hug :)

Salento
12-04-19, 15:13
Not all images are web friendly.
A quick way to optimize your images for the web:

(http://www.simpleimageresizer.com/image-optimizer#.XLCL1BYpDYU)http://www.simpleimageresizer.com/image-optimizer

(besides the fact that you’ll save me tons of data-usage + money on my mobile-network) :grin:

Salento
12-04-19, 15:53
Im having so much fun reading results from this calculator. It's seriously the most interesting one I've ever seen and I've been waiting impatiently for one that can compare you to ancient Greeks, Romans and (hopefully it has them) Egyptians
out of curiosity:
Can everybody see this: ☥ ?
It’s not a pic, is the html code for Ankh, used in ancient Egypt as a symbol of life.
just ✍ wondering ☻

davef
12-04-19, 15:59
out of curiosity:
Can everybody see this: ☥ ?

It’s not a pic, is the html code for Ankh, used in ancient Egypt as a symbol of life.

just wondering :)
I can see the ankh itself but not the code behind (from my iPhone using Firefox)

Sverker
12-04-19, 16:15
Impressed big time, my results from MyTrueAncestry were spot on.
Even better than any gedmatch model I could find. I wonder how their model works and will probably upgrade to the archaeological map now.

1. Swedish (1.080)
2. Norwegian (2.856)
3. West_Norwegian (4.956)
4. North_Swedish (5.980)
5. North_Dutch (6.424)
6. Danish (7.272)
7. German_Central (8.821)
8. North_German (8.888)

And for fun: (also looks plausible)

Viking + Saxon (2.991)
Viking + Longobard (3.177)
Longobard (4.593)
Viking (7.343)
Saxon (9.21)

Salento
12-04-19, 16:34
I can see the ankh itself but not the code behind (from my iPhone using Firefox)
&#9765 add a semicolon at the end ☥
back to topic now ;)

Duarte
12-04-19, 17:47
&#9765 add a semicolon at the end ☥
back to topic now ;)

https://i.imgur.com/y3bIME3.png

Duarte
12-04-19, 17:49
Impressed big time, my results from MyTrueAncestry were spot on.
Even better than any gedmatch model I could find. I wonder how their model works and will probably upgrade to the archaeological map now.

1. Swedish (1.080)
2. Norwegian (2.856)
3. West_Norwegian (4.956)
4. North_Swedish (5.980)
5. North_Dutch (6.424)
6. Danish (7.272)
7. German_Central (8.821)
8. North_German (8.888)

And for fun: (also looks plausible)

Viking + Saxon (2.991)
Viking + Longobard (3.177)
Longobard (4.593)
Viking (7.343)
Saxon (9.21)





Nice Results :)

Duarte
12-04-19, 20:06
Illyrian, Tharcian & Scintian ancient samples - Reference articles "linked" by MyTrueAncestry

Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) - I3313 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616

Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) - I4332 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616

Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) - I5769 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778)
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778

Scythian Moldova (270 BC) - scy192 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457)
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457

Sverker
12-04-19, 21:26
Cool, those MyTrueAncestry links seem correct on both NCBI and Openstreetmap. Seems the real deal folks!

Gash
12-04-19, 22:00
The question I have is, how confident are we that Roman sample in the Balkans is genetically Roman? It seems Balkan people get more Roman than Illyrian and people of Roman heritage are getting Illyrian and Thracian first. Spaniards and north Italians. Then south Slavs are mostly Scythian and Avar with some mix of Roman and Celt or Germanic. It can be a bit confusing. Lol.


Yeah, Roman is probably just native Balkan ancestry. Pre Slavic Balkan people possibly were like Tuscans / Italians or Romans.

Those samples found in Dalmatia were like Iberians almost though I find it interesting how I match them. It proves what I said right. that female from Dalmatia was almost like some modern Albanians except it was scoring 21 North West europe shifting it West from us, she also had high similarity with Albania. She's like 80% Albanian/Balkan going by my calculations. The J2b2 was a bit more distant autosomally.


They did not use Vucedol sample for this one which was even closer to us nor did they use Bronze Age from Montenegro found years ago which was almost like some Northern Albos / Bulgarians.

I also found it interesting how I got Thracian while other Albanians didn't. Some Thracian sample found years ago was like a Tuscan basically and scored 99% Balkan.


I saw an Albo from Montenegro also got Ilyrian but he didn't get Thracian. Yet he got Hellenic Roman which I didn't even get. Though it is really interesting it also shows we ain't all identical. I see many of you Albos come out more Ancient Greek than me also. Its possibly Ilyrians that lived in Albania maybe were Ancient Greek like or more Neolithic.

ajc347
12-04-19, 22:27
I like this site a lot and particularly like the archaeological links the maps give.


The site is pretty consistent (with a couple of notable exceptions) in the results it gives for differing sets of raw data as can be shown in the results below:


1. Me (Ancestry DNA)


10911


Celt + Frank (2.903)
Celt + Longobard (2.963)
Longobard (4.904)
Frank (5.988)
Celt (7.134)


1. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (4.619) - SZ12
2. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (4.904) - SZ15
3. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.523) - CL92
4. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (5.988) - SZ23
5. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (6.555) - I5383
6. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (6.663) - Unknown
7. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (6.896) - SZ11
8. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.949) - SZ14
9. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.097) - SZ7
10. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (7.134) - VDP-A6
11. Pict (670 AD) (7.566) - CL83
12. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (7.636) - SZ38
13. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (7.657) - SZ16
14. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.663) - 6DRIF-21
15. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (7.842) - Hinxton 4
16. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.894) - SZ8
17. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.124) - ALH_1
18. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (8.321) - BIM_33
19. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.396) - 6DRIF-3
20. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.517) - 6DRIF-18


1. North_Dutch (4.026)
2. Danish (5.090)
3. North_German (5.249)
4. Southeast_English (5.712)
5. Southwest_English (5.715)
6. Irish (6.139)
7. West_Scottish (6.418)
8. Orcadian (6.422)




Me (FTDNA):


10913


Celt + Frank (2.341)
Celt + Longobard (2.912)
Longobard (4.882)
Celt (6.311)
Frank (6.405)


1. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (4.769) - SZ12
2. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (4.882) - SZ15
3. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.469) - CL92
4. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (6.205) - I5383
5. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.311) - VDP-A6
6. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (6.405) - SZ23
7. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (6.406) - Unknown
8. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.911) - SZ14
9. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (6.956) - SZ11
10. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.055) - 6DRIF-21
11. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (7.093) - Hinxton 4
12. Pict (670 AD) (7.439) - CL83
13. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (7.53) - SZ38
14. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.564) - 6DRIF-3
15. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.808) - SZ7
16. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (8.054) - SZ16
17. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.204) - ALH_1
18. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (8.413) - BIM_33
19. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.566) - SZ22
20. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.566) - 6DRIF-18


1. North_Dutch (4.139)
2. North_German (4.880)
3. Danish (4.956)
4. Southeast_English (5.295)
5. Southwest_English (5.360)
6. Irish (5.569)
7. West_Scottish (5.946)
8. Orcadian (6.270)


Me (Living DNA):

10914


Longobard + Frank (3.522)
Celt + Longobard (3.762)
Longobard (5.511)
Celt (8.085)
Frank (8.346)


1. Pict (670 AD) (4.973) - CL83
2. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.458) - I5383
3. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.511) - SZ15
4. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.065) - CL92
5. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.112) - SZ12
6. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.648) - SZ8
7. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.899) - CL84
8. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.906) - CL146
9. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.006) - SZ7
10. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.236) - 6DRIF-18
11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.545) - SZ14
12. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (7.755) - Hinxton 4
13. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.77) - CL145
14. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.846) - Unknown
15. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (8.085) - VDP-A6
16. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.346) - SZ23
17. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.592) - CL93
18. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.682) - SZ22
19. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (8.942) - I3875
20. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (8.948) - Hinxton HS3


1. North_Dutch (4.673)
2. Orcadian (4.869)
3. Irish (6.123)
4. West_Scottish (6.203)
5. Southeast_English (6.340)
6. Danish (6.439)
7. Southwest_English (6.659)
8. Welsh (7.388)




Me (23 and Me v5):

10915


Longobard + Frank (3.422)
Celt + Longobard (3.843)
Longobard (5.563)
Frank (8.39)
Celt (8.682)


1. Pict (670 AD) (5.262) - CL83
2. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.563) - SZ15
3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.929) - I5383
4. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.186) - SZ12
5. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.402) - CL92
6. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.579) - CL84
7. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.75) - CL146
8. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.764) - SZ8
9. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.778) - SZ7
10. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.103) - 6DRIF-18
11. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.873) - CL145
12. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.947) - SZ14
13. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.164) - CL93
14. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (8.235) - Unknown
15. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.39) - SZ23
16. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (8.44) - Hinxton 4
17. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (8.682) - VDP-A6
18. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.763) - SZ13
19. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (8.812) - Rise61
20. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (8.955) - I3875


1. Orcadian (5.113)
2. North_Dutch (5.117)
3. West_Scottish (6.763)
4. Irish (6.770)
5. Southeast_English (6.897)
6. Danish (6.900)
7. Southwest_English (7.042)
8. Welsh (7.343)


Mum (Ancestry):


10912


Celt (1.86)
Celt + Longobard (2.561)
Viking + Celt (3.21)
Longobard (5.94)
Viking (8.047)


1. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (1.86) - VDP-A6
2. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (3.988) - 6DRIF-3
3. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (5.21) - Hinxton 4
4. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (5.628) - Unknown
5. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.94) - SZ15
6. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.969) - CL92
7. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (6.084) - I5383
8. Pict (670 AD) (6.765) - CL83
9. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.884) - SZ4
10. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.897) - 6DRIF-23
11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.22) - SZ12
12. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.308) - 6DRIF-21
13. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.618) - ALH_10
14. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.877) - CL145
15. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (7.918) - Rise150
16. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.964) - AED_249
17. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (7.987) - SZ11
18. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.047) - Sigtuna stg021
19. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.064) - SZ38
20. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.235) - SZ22


1. Irish (4.273)
2. Danish (4.378)
3. West_Scottish (4.590)
4. North_Dutch (4.628)
5. North_German (4.767)
6. Southeast_English (5.843)
7. Orcadian (6.311)
8. Southwest_English (7.572)


Mum (FTDNA):

10916


Celt + Longobard (2.53)
Celt (2.64)
Longobard + Frank (3.837)
Longobard (5.608)
Frank (7.974)


1. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (2.64) - VDP-A6
2. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (4.373) - 6DRIF-3
3. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.608) - SZ15
4. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (5.623) - Unknown
5. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.84) - CL92
6. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (5.859) - Hinxton 4
7. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (6.125) - I5383
8. Pict (670 AD) (6.662) - CL83
9. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.882) - SZ12
10. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.999) - SZ4
11. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.405) - 6DRIF-21
12. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (7.509) - SZ11
13. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.527) - 6DRIF-23
14. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.57) - CL145
15. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (7.578) - Rise150
16. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.803) - ALH_10
17. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.908) - AED_249
18. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (7.974) - SZ38
19. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.011) - Sigtuna stg021
20. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.253) - SZ22


1. Danish (4.076)
2. North_Dutch (4.233)
3. Irish (4.579)
4. North_German (4.666)
5. West_Scottish (4.767)
6. Southeast_English (5.984)
7. Orcadian (6.231)
8. Southwest_English (7.716)




Mum (Living DNA):

10917


Celt + Longobard (2.048)
Viking + Longobard (3.261)
Celt (3.629)
Longobard (4.564)
Viking (7.645)


1. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (3.629) - VDP-A6
2. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (4.564) - SZ15
3. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (5.18) - 6DRIF-3
4. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (5.748) - Unknown
5. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.929) - CL92
6. Pict (670 AD) (5.935) - CL83
7. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.97) - I5383
8. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.973) - CL145
9. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.036) - SZ4
10. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.387) - Hinxton 4
11. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (7.321) - Rise150
12. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (7.427) - Hinxton 1
13. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.581) - CL146
14. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (7.645) - Sigtuna stg021
15. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.814) - ALH_10
16. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.831) - Hinxton HS1
17. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.837) - 6DRIF-18
18. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (7.893) - Rathlin2
19. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.164) - AED_249
20. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.183) - 6DRIF-23


1. West_Scottish (3.523)
2. Danish (3.888)
3. Irish (3.980)
4. North_Dutch (4.284)
5. Orcadian (4.398)
6. Southeast_English (5.429)
7. North_German (6.273)
8. Southwest_English (7.324)

ajc347
12-04-19, 22:33
Following on from my first post:

Mum (23 and Me v5):

10918


Celt + Longobard (2.213)
Celt + Saxon (3.445)
Celt (3.964)
Longobard (4.438)
Saxon (7.944)


1. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (3.964) - VDP-A6
2. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (4.438) - SZ15
3. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (5.067) - 6DRIF-3
4. Pict (670 AD) (5.492) - CL83
5. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.949) - I5383
6. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.258) - CL92
7. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.376) - CL145
8. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (6.412) - Unknown
9. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.542) - Hinxton 4
10. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.794) - SZ4
11. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (7.351) - Hinxton 1
12. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.449) - CL146
13. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.544) - 6DRIF-18
14. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (7.728) - Rise150
15. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.796) - SZ12
16. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.944) - Hinxton HS1
17. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.979) - 6DRIF-23
18. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.273) - Rathlin2
19. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.314) - Sigtuna stg021
20. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.485) - SZ9


1. West_Scottish (3.909)
2. Orcadian (4.201)
3. Irish (4.305)
4. Danish (4.498)
5. North_Dutch (4.597)
6. Southeast_English (5.526)
7. North_German (6.611)
8. Southwest_English (7.207)


Overall, I would thoroughly recommend this site. It's great and is very informative (especially as I do not have an academic background in either archaeology or genetics).

I am, though, intrigued by one sample that shows up on all of the the maps, namely, Pict (670 AD) (6.765) - CL83.

The link is to a paper discussing Longobard remains found in cemeteries in Szólád in western Hungary and Collegno in northern Italy. Given the area in which it was found I'm presuming that it relates to the Pictones found in Roman Gaul (as opposed to the Picts in what is now Scotland). I'm under the impression, though, that this tribe was Celtic and am, therefore, both surprised, and a little confused, to see this label applied so long after the Celtic era had ended. Can anyone help me make more sense of this please?

Dibran
12-04-19, 22:42
Yeah, Roman is probably just native Balkan ancestry. Pre Slavic Balkan people possibly were like Tuscans / Italians or Romans.

Those samples found in Dalmatia were like Iberians almost though I find it interesting how I match them. It proves what I said right. that female from Dalmatia was almost like some modern Albanians except it was scoring 21 North West europe shifting it West from us, she also had high similarity with Albania. She's like 80% Albanian/Balkan going by my calculations. The J2b2 was a bit more distant autosomally.


They did not use Vucedol sample for this one which was even closer to us nor did they use Bronze Age from Montenegro found years ago which was almost like some Northern Albos / Bulgarians.

I also found it interesting how I got Thracian while other Albanians didn't. Some Thracian sample found years ago was like a Tuscan basically and scored 99% Balkan.


I saw an Albo from Montenegro also got Ilyrian but he didn't get Thracian. Yet he got Hellenic Roman which I didn't even get. Though it is really interesting it also shows we ain't all identical. I see many of you Albos come out more Ancient Greek than me also. Its possibly Ilyrians that lived in Albania maybe were Ancient Greek like or more Neolithic.

Very true. But it’s also problematic. Take Global25 by Davidski. Some argue it’s more accurate than some other algorithms. Sure enough I have close distance with the Illyrian and Thracian in my top 5. With only one roman sample in this map being first. Also after Hellenic Roman, Thracian was my next closest on “mytrueancestry”. Take this G25 of mine for instance. Balkan BA/IA samples at a distance between 2-3. I don’t know what makes G25 more accurate but apparently Davidski uses the whole dna file to produce the coordinates.

]https://i.postimg.cc/C5SKsVDn/6-B81-A510-889-A-4-EC3-8924-3-F4-A606872-CB.jpg

said samples were in mytrueancestry, whose algorithm had me at a distance of 7 from the Romans. Yet per G25 a distance of 2.5-3 sample to sample. Perhaps they collectively averaged the samples they deemed Illyrian or Thracian hence roman being closer on average?

Illyrian, Tharcian & Scintian ancient samples - Reference articles "linked" by MyTrueAncestry

Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) - I3313 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616

Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) - I4332 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616

Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) - I5769 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778)
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778

Scythian Moldova (270 BC) - scy192 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457)
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457

Gash
12-04-19, 22:49
Very true. But it’s also problematic. Take Global25 by Davidski. Some argue it’s more accurate than some other algorithms. Sure enough I have close distance with the Illyrian and Thracian in my top 5. With only one roman sample in this map being first. Also after Hellenic Roman, Thracian was my next closest on “mytrueancestry”. Take this G25 of mine for instance. Balkan BA/IA samples at a distance between 2-3. I don’t know what makes G25 more accurate but apparently Davidski uses the whole dna file to produce the coordinates.

]https://i.postimg.cc/C5SKsVDn/6-B81-A510-889-A-4-EC3-8924-3-F4-A606872-CB.jpg

Yeah, I saw you got Thracian but I saw some other Albos didn't.

Yeah, no doubt that you should also get it close. Vucedol sample especially should be close to us all. But they didn't use it I think. It also depends what other populations one matches and how close.

How do you do global 25 ?

Gash
12-04-19, 22:54
Those Serbs and that Bosniakised Serb on TA are now butthurt we got Ilyrian/Thracian and they didn't , so now they make up some new theories xD


They are literally some of the most delusional creatures I have seen.

Dibran
12-04-19, 22:57
Yeah, no doubt that you should also get it close. Vucedol sample especially should be close to us all. But they didn't use it I think. It also depends what other populations one matches and how close.

How do you do global 25 ?

its like 12 dollars in donation form to Davidski who runs eurogenes blog. It can be used for a lot of custom calculators. Here’s mine. In case the moderns are confusing, it compares to individual samples rather than group average. So you will see the same ethnic group with some closer and some further since it’s individual samples. Then there’s ancient mode. And then mixed ancients with moderns. Distances are multiplied by 100. So 0.01 is 1 distance etc.


Mixed single matching:


[1,] "Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo20" "0.0192"
[2,] "Macedonian:Macedonian2" "0.0198"
[3,] "Albanian:ALB220" "0.0198"
[4,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP10" "0.0203"
[5,] "Greek:NA17373" "0.0209"
[6,] "Bulgarian:Bulgaria1" "0.0212"
[7,] "Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo17" "0.0213"
[8,] "Greek:NA17377" "0.0226"
[9,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP9" "0.0226"
[10,] "Montenegrin:Montenegro1" "0.023"
[11,] "Macedonian:Macedonian8" "0.0231"
[12,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP5" "0.0235"
[13,] "Albanian:ALB191" "0.0237"
[14,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP4" "0.0237"
[15,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP13" "0.0238"
[16,] "Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0238"
[17,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ40" "0.0238"
[18,] "Balkans_BA:I4331" "0.0245"
[19,] "Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo22" "0.025"
[20,] "Balkans_IA:I5769" "0.025"
[21,] "Italian_Tuscan:NA20505" "0.0251"
[22,] "Bulgarian:BulgarianD6" "0.0252"
[23,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP18" "0.0252"
[24,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP15" "0.0257"
[25,] "Albanian:ALB202" "0.0258"
[26,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP14" "0.0258"
[27,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP8" "0.0259"
[28,] "Greek_Crete:B_Crete-1" "0.0259"
[29,] "Balkans_BA:I4332" "0.0262"
[30,] "Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo13" "0.0266"
[31,] "Macedonian:Macedonian7" "0.0272"
[32,] "Romanian:G408" "0.0274"
[33,] "Scythian_Hungary:DA195" "0.0277"
[34,] "Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215" "0.0278"
[35,] "Romanian:G428" "0.0278"
[36,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP11" "0.028"
[37,] "Montenegrin:Montenegro7" "0.0281"
[38,] "Romanian:G429" "0.0281"
[39,] "Albanian:ALB213" "0.0282"
[40,] "Scythian_Moldova:scy192" "0.0282"
[41,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ43" "0.0283"
[42,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP3" "0.0285"
[43,] "Anatolia_EBA_Isparta:I2495" "0.0286"
[44,] "Romanian:A343" "0.0286"
[45,] "Italian_Bergamo:HGDP01147" "0.0287"
[46,] "Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo15" "0.0288"
[47,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP17" "0.029"
[48,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ36" "0.0292"
[49,] "Maltese:Malta4AM91" "0.0293"
[50,] "Italian_Tuscan:NA20504" "0.0293"
[51,] "Cypriot:Cyprus13AJ19" "0.0296"
[52,] "Anatolia_IA_low_res:MA2197" "0.0296"
[53,] "Greek:GREEKGRALPOP12" "0.0296"
[54,] "Bulgarian:BulgarianE2" "0.0298"
[55,] "Italian_Tuscan:NA20502" "0.0298"
[56,] "Germany_Medieval_ACD:STR_310" "0.0299"
[57,] "Albanian:ALB212" "0.0299"
[58,] "Serbian:Serbian_Serbia2" "0.03"
[59,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ28" "0.0301"
[60,] "Serbian:Serbian_Serbia4" "0.0301"




Ancient/moderns Mixed mode


[1,] "33.7% Minoan_Lasithi:I9005 + 66.3% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0093"
[2,] "66.9% Montenegrin:Montenegro7 + 33.1% Peloponnese_N:I2318" "0.0097"
[3,] "31.3% Minoan_Lasithi:I0073 + 68.7% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0101"
[4,] "33.5% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 66.5% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0103"
[5,] "72.3% Montenegrin:Montenegro1 + 27.7% Peloponnese_N:I2318" "0.0107"
[6,] "35.7% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071 + 64.3% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0108"
[7,] "28.4% Peloponnese_N:I2318 + 71.6% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0111"
[8,] "58.8% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071 + 41.2% Russian_Tver:Russia_Tver415" "0.0112"
[9,] "29.9% Peloponnese_N:I3708 + 70.1% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0114"
[10,] "63.2% Macedonian:Macedonian7 + 36.8% Minoan_Lasithi:I9005" "0.0114"
[11,] "60.5% Macedonian:Macedonian7 + 39.5% Minoan_Lasithi:I0070" "0.0114"
[12,] "29.1% Greece_N:Klei10 + 70.9% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0115"
[13,] "58.3% Bosnian:Bosnian_14 + 41.7% Minoan_Lasithi:I9005" "0.0115"
[14,] "28.9% Barcin_N:I0708 + 71.1% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0116"
[15,] "37.7% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 62.3% Montenegrin:Montenegro7" "0.0117"
[16,] "25% Koros_N:I1508 + 75% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0118"
[17,] "46.2% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071 + 53.8% Moldovan:747_R01C02" "0.0118"
[18,] "34.2% Minoan_Lasithi:I0070 + 65.8% Montenegrin:Montenegro1" "0.0118"
[19,] "60.7% Macedonian:Macedonian7 + 39.3% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071" "0.012"
[20,] "33.4% Greece_N:Klei10 + 66.6% Montenegrin:Montenegro7" "0.012"
[21,] "36.5% Peloponnese_N_o:I3920 + 63.5% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.012"
[22,] "47.1% Minoan_Lasithi:I9005 + 52.9% Slovakian:Slovakia96" "0.012"
[23,] "29.6% Balaton_Lasinja_CA:I1909 + 70.4% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0121"
[24,] "35.2% Minoan_Lasithi:I0070 + 64.8% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0121"
[25,] "31.7% Peloponnese_N:I3709 + 68.3% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0121"
[26,] "54% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071 + 46% Ukrainian:Ukrainian22" "0.0121"
[27,] "37.5% Minoan_Lasithi:I9005 + 62.5% Montenegrin:Montenegro7" "0.0121"
[28,] "25.8% Barcin_N:I1579 + 74.2% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0121"
[29,] "51.1% Minoan_Lasithi:I9005 + 48.9% Ukrainian:Ukrainian22" "0.0121"
[30,] "28.8% Barcin_N:I1102 + 71.2% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0122"
[31,] "54% Minoan_Lasithi:I0070 + 46% Ukrainian:Ukrainian22" "0.0122"
[32,] "25.9% Barcin_N:I1097 + 74.1% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0122"
[33,] "27.6% Barcin_N:I0708 + 72.4% Montenegrin:Montenegro1" "0.0122"
[34,] "29.4% Balkans_N:I0634 + 70.6% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0122"
[35,] "31.6% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 68.4% Montenegrin:Montenegro1" "0.0123"
[36,] "29.5% Barcin_N:I1585 + 70.5% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0123"
[37,] "34% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071 + 66% Montenegrin:Montenegro1" "0.0123"
[38,] "28.7% Barcin_N:I1580 + 71.3% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0124"
[39,] "25.9% LBKT_MN:I1904 + 74.1% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0124"
[40,] "52.8% Hungarian:NA15207 + 47.2% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071" "0.0124"
[41,] "46.1% Minoan_Lasithi:I0070 + 53.9% Moldovan:747_R01C02" "0.0125"
[42,] "40.1% Minoan_Lasithi:I0070 + 59.9% Montenegrin:Montenegro7" "0.0125"
[43,] "75.2% Macedonian:Macedonian2 + 24.8% Minoan_Lasithi:I0073" "0.0125"
[44,] "65.9% Montenegrin:Montenegro7 + 34.1% Peloponnese_N:I3708" "0.0125"
[45,] "49.9% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071 + 50.1% Slovakian:Slovakia96" "0.0125"
[46,] "27.6% Greece_N:Klei10 + 72.4% Montenegrin:Montenegro1" "0.0125"
[47,] "55.6% Bosnian:Bosnian_14 + 44.4% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071" "0.0125"
[48,] "58.9% Minoan_Lasithi:I0070 + 41.1% Russian_Tver:Russia_Tver415" "0.0125"
[49,] "26.8% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 73.2% Macedonian:Macedonian2" "0.0126"
[50,] "40.1% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071 + 59.9% Montenegrin:Montenegro7" "0.0126"
[51,] "71.7% Montenegrin:Montenegro1 + 28.3% Peloponnese_N:I3708" "0.0126"
[52,] "25.8% Greece_N:Rev5 + 74.2% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0126"
[53,] "24.9% Balkans_N:I0676 + 75.1% Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5" "0.0126"
[54,] "74% Bulgarian:Bulgaria1 + 26% Peloponnese_N:I3708" "0.0126"
[55,] "28.8% Koros_N:I1508 + 71.2% Montenegrin:Montenegro7" "0.0127"
[56,] "55.1% Minoan_Lasithi:I0070 + 44.9% Ukrainian:Ukrainian12" "0.0128"
[57,] "28.8% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 71.2% Bulgarian:Bulgaria1" "0.0128"
[58,] "56.6% Minoan_Lasithi:I9005 + 43.4% Mordovian:Mordovian8" "0.0128"
[59,] "69.8% Montenegrin:Montenegro1 + 30.2% Peloponnese_N:I3709" "0.0128"
[60,] "61.1% Hungarian:NA15207 + 38.9% Peloponnese_N:I2318" "0.0129"




Ancient single matching


[1,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ40" "0.0238"
[2,] "Balkans_BA:I4331" "0.0245"
[3,] "Balkans_IA:I5769" "0.025"
[4,] "Balkans_BA:I4332" "0.0262"
[5,] "Scythian_Hungary:DA195" "0.0277"
[6,] "Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215" "0.0278"
[7,] "Scythian_Moldova:scy192" "0.0282"
[8,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ43" "0.0283"
[9,] "Anatolia_EBA_Isparta:I2495" "0.0286"
[10,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ36" "0.0292"
[11,] "Anatolia_IA_low_res:MA2197" "0.0296"
[12,] "Germany_Medieval_ACD:STR_310" "0.0299"
[13,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ28" "0.0301"
[14,] "Beaker_Italy_North:I1979" "0.0302"
[15,] "Mycenaean:I9041" "0.0309"
[16,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ32" "0.0311"
[17,] "Maros:RISE374" "0.0313"
[18,] "Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL53" "0.0315"
[19,] "Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1:CL38" "0.0318"
[20,] "Beaker_Czech:I4945" "0.0319"
[21,] "Beaker_Hungary:I7045" "0.032"
[22,] "Germany_Medieval_o:STR_300" "0.032"
[23,] "Scythian_Moldova:scy197" "0.0321"
[24,] "Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1:CL25" "0.0323"
[25,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ37" "0.0323"
[26,] "Anatolia_MLBA:MA2203" "0.0326"
[27,] "Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3980" "0.0329"
[28,] "Hungary_BA:I7043" "0.033"
[29,] "Beaker_Bavaria:I5017" "0.0333"
[30,] "Beaker_Hungary:I2364" "0.0333"
[31,] "Scythian_Moldova:scy300" "0.0334"
[32,] "Balkans_BA:I2520" "0.0335"
[33,] "Scythian_Moldova:scy305" "0.0338"
[34,] "Germany_Roman:FN_2" "0.034"
[35,] "Hungary_BA:I7041" "0.0343"
[36,] "Anatolia_EBA_Isparta:I2683" "0.0343"
[37,] "Scythian_Moldova:scy311" "0.0344"
[38,] "Mycenaean:I9006" "0.0346"
[39,] "Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1:CL30" "0.0351"
[40,] "Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12163" "0.0352"
[41,] "Beaker_Poland:I6582" "0.0352"
[42,] "Beaker_Bavaria:E09538" "0.0358"
[43,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ5" "0.0362"
[44,] "Balkans_BA:I2175" "0.0362"
[45,] "Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE:I4054" "0.0365"
[46,] "Balkans_BA:I3313" "0.0369"
[47,] "Scythian_Hungary:DA197" "0.0369"
[48,] "Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL94" "0.0369"
[49,] "Krepost_N:I0679_d" "0.037"
[50,] "Beaker_Bavaria:I5520" "0.0371"
[51,] "Iberia_East_IA:I3324" "0.0372"
[52,] "Scythian_Hungary:DA198" "0.0373"
[53,] "Vucedol:I3499" "0.0373"
[54,] "Balkans_BA:I2165" "0.0374"
[55,] "Peloponnese_N_o:I3920" "0.0376"
[56,] "Mycenaean:I9010" "0.0376"
[57,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ3" "0.0377"
[58,] "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ27" "0.0379"
[59,] "Hungary_Medieval:DA199" "0.038"
[60,] "Beaker_Czech:I4885" "0.0382"




Ancient Mixed mode


[1,] "68% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 32% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009"
[2,] "60.7% Peloponnese_N:I2318 + 39.3% CWC_Baltic_early:Gyvakarai1_10bp"
[3,] "64.8% Balaton_Lasinja_CA:I1909 + 35.2% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009"
[4,] "64% Barcin_N:I1580 + 36% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009"
[5,] "60.5% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 39.5% Yamnaya_Ukraine_o:I1917"
[6,] "50% Peloponnese_N:I2318 + 50% Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_urm160"
[7,] "33.6% Afanasievo:I5278 + 66.4% Peloponnese_N:I2318"
[8,] "56.8% Balaton_Lasinja_CA:I1909 + 43.2% Yamnaya_Ukraine_o:I1917"
[9,] "65.2% Balaton_Lasinja_CA:I1909 + 34.8% Kubano-Tersk:RK1003"
[10,] "70% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 30% Yamnaya_Ukraine:I2105"
[11,] "64.9% Barcin_N:I1585 + 35.1% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009"
[12,] "69.7% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 30.3% Yamnaya_Samara:I0231"
[13,] "61.9% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 38.1% Sarmatian_Urals:tem003"
[14,] "68.6% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 31.4% Kubano-Tersk:RK1003"
[15,] "28.6% Afanasievo:I5278 + 71.4% Boncuklu_N:Bon002"
[16,] "37% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009 + 63% Peloponnese_N:I2318"
[17,] "70.5% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 29.5% Yamnaya_Kalmykia:RISE552"
[18,] "59.1% Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12163 + 40.9% Minoan_Lasithi:I0073"
[19,] "64% Greece_N:Klei10 + 36% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009"
[20,] "66.2% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 33.8% CWC_Baltic_early:Gyvakarai1_10bp"
[21,] "60.6% Barcin_N:I1097 + 39.4% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009"
[22,] "62.8% Barcin_N:I1585 + 37.2% CWC_Baltic_early:Gyvakarai1_10bp"
[23,] "71.6% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 28.4% Yamnaya_Samara:I0429"
[24,] "58.9% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 41.1% Sarmatian_West:DA139"
[25,] "55.4% Barcin_N:I1585 + 44.6% Krasnoyarsk_MLBA:I3392"
[26,] "65.2% Barcin_N:I1585 + 34.8% Kubano-Tersk:RK1003"
[27,] "55.9% Barcin_N:I1580 + 44.1% Yamnaya_Ukraine_o:I1917"
[28,] "59% Anatolia_EBA_Isparta:I2495 + 41% Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ3"
[29,] "65% Peloponnese_N:I2318 + 35% Yamnaya_Ukraine:I2105"
[30,] "34.8% Kubano-Tersk:RK1003 + 65.2% Peloponnese_N:I3708"
[31,] "61.9% Barcin_N:I1580 + 38.1% CWC_Baltic_early:Gyvakarai1_10bp"
[32,] "64.4% Barcin_N:I1580 + 35.6% Kubano-Tersk:RK1003"
[33,] "67.9% Balkans_ChL:I2424 + 32.1% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009"
[34,] "65% Balaton_Lasinja_CA:I1909 + 35% Kubano-Tersk:PG2002"
[35,] "59.3% Balkans_N:I2533 + 40.7% Kubano-Tersk:RK1003"
[36,] "69.2% Balkans_ChL:I4088 + 30.8% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009"
[37,] "70.7% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 29.3% Catacomb:MK3003"
[38,] "70.6% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 29.4% Yamnaya_Samara:I0370"
[39,] "59% Balkans_N:I2533 + 41% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009"
[40,] "64.8% Barcin_N:I1585 + 35.2% CWC_Baltic_early:Plinkaigalis242"
[41,] "65.3% Peloponnese_N:I2318 + 34.7% Poltavka:I0440"
[42,] "65.7% Barcin_N:I1580 + 34.3% Yamnaya_Samara:I0231"
[43,] "63.4% Minoan_Lasithi:I0071 + 36.6% Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg020"
[44,] "62% Boncuklu_N:Bon002 + 38% Sarmatian_Pokrovka:I0575"
[45,] "30.3% Afanasievo:I5270 + 69.7% Boncuklu_N:Bon002"
[46,] "32.1% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009 + 67.9% Tisza_LN:I0449"
[47,] "55.8% Barcin_N:I1098 + 44.2% Sintashta_MLBA:I1053"
[48,] "36.5% Kubano-Tersk:MK5009 + 63.5% LBK_N:I0026"
[49,] "65.3% Barcin_N:I1580 + 34.7% Poltavka:I0374"
[50,] "30.5% Afanasievo:I3388 + 69.5% Boncuklu_N:Bon002"
[51,] "62% Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215 + 38% Scythian_Ukraine:scy010"
[52,] "33.9% Afanasievo:I3388 + 66.1% Balaton_Lasinja_CA:I1909"
[53,] "40.6% Kubano-Tersk:RK1003 + 59.4% TDLN:I4184"
[54,] "63.9% Barcin_N:I1580 + 36.1% CWC_Baltic_early:Plinkaigalis242"
[55,] "66.5% Barcin_N:I1585 + 33.5% Yamnaya_Samara:I0231"
[56,] "50.6% Balkans_N:I2533 + 49.4% Yamnaya_Ukraine_o:I1917"
[57,] "53.9% Barcin_N:I1585 + 46.1% Sintashta_MLBA:I1053"
[58,] "58.3% Barcin_N:I1585 + 41.7% Sarmatian_Pokrovka:I0575"
[59,] "53.7% Mentese_N:I0723 + 46.3% Yamnaya_Ukraine_o:I1917"
[60,] "66.1% Barcin_N:I1585 + 33.9% Poltavka:I0374"
[,2]
[1,] "0.0133"
[2,] "0.0141"
[3,] "0.0142"
[4,] "0.0145"
[5,] "0.0145"
[6,] "0.0147"
[7,] "0.0147"
[8,] "0.0147"
[9,] "0.0148"
[10,] "0.0148"
[11,] "0.015"
[12,] "0.015"
[13,] "0.015"
[14,] "0.0151"
[15,] "0.0151"
[16,] "0.0151"
[17,] "0.0151"
[18,] "0.0151"
[19,] "0.0152"
[20,] "0.0152"
[21,] "0.0153"
[22,] "0.0156"
[23,] "0.0157"
[24,] "0.0157"
[25,] "0.0157"
[26,] "0.0157"
[27,] "0.0158"
[28,] "0.0158"
[29,] "0.0158"
[30,] "0.0158"
[31,] "0.0158"
[32,] "0.0158"
[33,] "0.0159"
[34,] "0.0159"
[35,] "0.0159"
[36,] "0.0159"
[37,] "0.0159"
[38,] "0.0159"
[39,] "0.0159"
[40,] "0.0159"
[41,] "0.016"
[42,] "0.016"
[43,] "0.016"
[44,] "0.016"
[45,] "0.016"
[46,] "0.0161"
[47,] "0.0161"
[48,] "0.0161"
[49,] "0.0161"
[50,] "0.0161"
[51,] "0.0162"
[52,] "0.0162"
[53,] "0.0162"
[54,] "0.0162"
[55,] "0.0162"
[56,] "0.0163"
[57,] "0.0163"
[58,] "0.0163"
[59,] "0.0163"
[60,] "0.0163"

Angela
12-04-19, 23:04
Following on from my first post:

Mum (23 and Me v5):

10918


Celt + Longobard (2.213)
Celt + Saxon (3.445)
Celt (3.964)
Longobard (4.438)
Saxon (7.944)


1. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (3.964) - VDP-A6
2. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (4.438) - SZ15
3. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (5.067) - 6DRIF-3
4. Pict (670 AD) (5.492) - CL83
5. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.949) - I5383
6. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.258) - CL92
7. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.376) - CL145
8. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (6.412) - Unknown
9. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.542) - Hinxton 4
10. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.794) - SZ4
11. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (7.351) - Hinxton 1
12. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.449) - CL146
13. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.544) - 6DRIF-18
14. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (7.728) - Rise150
15. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.796) - SZ12
16. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.944) - Hinxton HS1
17. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.979) - 6DRIF-23
18. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.273) - Rathlin2
19. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.314) - Sigtuna stg021
20. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.485) - SZ9


1. West_Scottish (3.909)
2. Orcadian (4.201)
3. Irish (4.305)
4. Danish (4.498)
5. North_Dutch (4.597)
6. Southeast_English (5.526)
7. North_German (6.611)
8. Southwest_English (7.207)

Overall, I would thoroughly recommend this site. It's great (especially as I do not have an academic background in either archaeology or genetics).

I am, though, intrigued by one sample that shows up on all of the the maps, namely, Pict (670 AD) (6.765) - CL83.


The link is to a paper discussing Longobard remains found in cemeteries in Szólád in western Hungary and Collegno in northern Italy. Given the area in which it was found I'm presuming that it relates to the Pictones found in Roman Gaul (as opposed to the Picts in what is now Scotland). I'm under the impression, though, that this tribe was Celtic and am, therefore, both surprised, and a little confused, to see this label applied so long after the Celtic era had ended. Can anyone help me make more sense of this please?

I think what it means is that particular sample is not really "Longobard", as in Germanic in origin. This is Hungary, and we know the "Celts" in a broad sense were present there. Many papers have posited that some of the "Celts" who came to Italy, i,.e. the Boi, came from Hungary.

@Gash,
As to the "Roman" samples in Szolad, i.e. Central Roman, Gallo Roman and Hellenic Roman, what they're talking about is the Roman inhabitants of Pannonia. If you go back to the Amorim paper you'll see that the authors are careful to consider the archaeology, and the settlement was built in an area known for its Roman forts and villas in the period preceding the arrival of the Langobards. I don't know why it would be surprising that descendants of those people would still be there. Of course, their fate is not enviable.

You might want to read about Roman Pannonia at this late date. The Keszthely (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keszthely_culture) is the culture that was present in that precise area. Now, the authors of the article say the people were "Romanized". I'm not sure. Archaeologists for the last 50 or more years haven't wanted to admit that people moved, and not just pots. These people are too "Italian" like, it seems to me, being variously Gallo-Roman, Central Roman, or Hellenic Roman, to be mostly of "local" ancestry, and as I said upthread, this is the precise area where there are the remains of Roman forts and villas, and which maintained, with great difficulty, its "Roman" culture into the 7th century, when all around them in Pannonia it had perished.

As for the "Illyrian" and "Thracian" samples, that's precisely what they are, and that's the context in which they were buried. It seems that what this company has done is straight up run an individual's whole genome against the whole genomes of ancient samples, presumably ones that are high quality. What could be more accurate than that? I don't know what anyone else is doing, whether all the samples used are of high quality, whether the run was "supervised", etc. etc.

This is also the Bronze Age we're talking about. I don't see anything unusual in "Illyrians", i.e. mixed Indo-European and Southeastern European MN farmers moving into both Dalmatia and Northeastern Italy. Since then there were obviously changes, but maybe in one place the incoming people were "more" different, and so the overall similarity to Illyrians dropped.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keszthely_culture

"The characteristic garb of women included earrings with basket-shaped pendants, disc brooches with early Christian motifs, and garment pins. The early Christian symbols include crosses, bird-shaped brooches and pins decorated with bird figures (one bird-shaped brooch bears an incised cross). The Romanized populace of Pannonia in general became ‘Avarized’, and their ‘island’ of late antique culture is documented only in the immediate vicinity of Keszthely, where their traditional costume was worn until the beginning of the 9th century."

"The name Keszthely (IPA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet) [ˈkɛst.hɛj]) could be related to the Istriot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istriot_language)–Venetian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_language) castei, which means "castle", and is probably an original word of the Pannonian Romance language, according to the Austrian linguist Julius Pokorny (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Pokorny).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keszthely_culture#cite_note-2) He also posits that the word Pannonia is derived via Illyrian from a Proto-Indo-European (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language) root *pen- "swamp, water, wet". If true, that would suggest that the pre-Roman language of Pannonia was an Illyrian language.

ajc347
12-04-19, 23:16
I think what it means is that particular sample is not really "Longobard", as in Germanic in origin. This is Hungary, and we know the "Celts" in a broad sense were present there. Many papers have posited that some of the "Celts" who came to Italy, i,.e. the Boi, came from Hungary.



Thanks Angela - that's most helpful. :)

Sverker
12-04-19, 23:33
This sounds positive, maybe we should send feedback to these guys to fix any errors regarding Longobards. The Viking samples seem very solid from what I saw. Anyone have details on the Saxons?

Salento
12-04-19, 23:45
Those Serbs and that Bosniakised Serb on TA are now butthurt we got Ilyrian/Thracian and they didn't , so now they make up some new theories xD


They are literally some of the most delusional creatures I have seen.

I Used to be impartial about the Serbs, but now that I've found out that I’m probably related to them, I think they're amazing people. Sometimes they are also misunderstood. LOL

https://i.imgur.com/LE1U7Do.jpg

Sverker
13-04-19, 11:30
My Norwegian friend got this:
1. Swedish (2.862)
2. West_Norwegian (3.180)
3. North_Dutch (5.246)
4. Danish (5.937)
5. North_Swedish (6.825)
6. Orcadian (8.216)
7. West_Scottish (8.447)

Viking + Longobard (2.606)
Longobard (3.488)
Scythian + Longobard (3.598)
Viking (6.093)
Scythian (8.37)

ajc347
13-04-19, 12:38
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Angela
13-04-19, 15:44
In case anyone should get confused, the Ostrogoth sample is the one which although part of the Ostrogoth community, was genetically Greek. The Goths seem to have incorporated people of various ethnic backgrounds.

Likewise, if people are getting Avar results, I think the one being used is "genetically" Slavic.

As for the "Scythians", I think they're mixed with Neolithic and hunter-gatherer European mtdna.

The Rostov Scythians have quite southern European like mtdna:
https://i.imgur.com/pPjZJje.png


The Moldova Scythians:
https://i.imgur.com/XHU1PmD.png

"On the basis of published data concerning the phylogeography of mt lineages distribution in ancient populations of Europe and Asia, the 19 complete mt genomes of the NPR Iron Age Scythians produced in this study fall into three main groups of different ancestry. The first group of mt lineages is represented by U5 haplotypes that are considered to be a European Hunter-Gatherer genetic component44 (https://www.nature.com/articles/srep43950#ref44),45 (https://www.nature.com/articles/srep43950#ref45). The second group comprises haplotypes belonging to H, J, T, W and N1b, ultimately connected to the genetic package of the early Neolithic farmers44 (https://www.nature.com/articles/srep43950#ref44),46 (https://www.nature.com/articles/srep43950#ref46),47 (https://www.nature.com/articles/srep43950#ref47), and the third group includes A, D, M10 and F mt lineages considered to be of East Eurasian origin48 (https://www.nature.com/articles/srep43950#ref48),49 (https://www.nature.com/articles/srep43950#ref49),50 (https://www.nature.com/articles/srep43950#ref50),51 (https://www.nature.com/articles/srep43950#ref51)."
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep43950

It's quite interesting how the results for British people clearly show the mixture between "Celts" and "Germanics", with some with higher "Celtic" and some with higher "Germanic". To think how many years of debate can now be so easily solved. :)

I know this is all fun, but remember to look at your fits.

Jovialis
13-04-19, 17:49
https://i.imgur.com/mTmOGF5.png

Here's my updated map for Asia. I now get Rise 397 from the Armenian Bronze-Age. Which is consistent with the spread of ABA giving rise to groups like the Mycenaeans.
The Ostrogoth being Greek makes a lot of sense.

My results are still the same though, and it doesn't come up one the oracles.

The fact that they already have an update makes me feel more confident about my investment with this.

I hope they continue to let out a stream of new updates. They have a lot to work with:

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/downloadable-genotypes-worlds-published-ancient-dna-data

bigsnake49
13-04-19, 18:03
Impressed big time, my results from MyTrueAncestry were spot on.
Even better than any gedmatch model I could find. I wonder how their model works and will probably upgrade to the archaeological map now.

1. Swedish (1.080)
2. Norwegian (2.856)
3. West_Norwegian (4.956)
4. North_Swedish (5.980)
5. North_Dutch (6.424)
6. Danish (7.272)
7. German_Central (8.821)
8. North_German (8.888)

And for fun: (also looks plausible)

Viking + Saxon (2.991)
Viking + Longobard (3.177)
Longobard (4.593)
Viking (7.343)
Saxon (9.21)




Holy crap, that is very close.

bigsnake49
13-04-19, 18:08
I Used to be impartial about the Serbs, but now that I've found out that I’m probably related to them, I think they're amazing people. Sometimes they are also misunderstood. LOL

https://i.imgur.com/LE1U7Do.jpg
You are definitely close to some populations.

Jovialis
13-04-19, 18:47
https://i.imgur.com/0cCH8Zl.png

Interestingly, I get Illyrian in my premium map, but not for my Full archaeological map. This happens for both AncestryDNA raw data, and the combined raw data.

https://i.imgur.com/HodK1l2.png

Sam Boyer
13-04-19, 18:48
Thanks a lot for linking this, very informative and easy to navigate. The ancient populations seemed slightly surprising but it's certainly left me intrigued.

From my Ancestry DNA results:

Vandal + Frank (4.865)
Vandal + Longobard (5.047)
Vandal (7.678)
Longobard (7.754)
Frank (8.46)

1. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (4.077)
2. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (5.973)
3. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (7.678)
4. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.754)
5. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.195)
6. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (8.383)
7. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.46)
8. Pict (670 AD) (9.015)
9. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (9.163)
10. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (9.223)
11. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (9.253)
12. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (9.275)
13. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (9.668)
14. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (10.19)
15. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (10.4)
16. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (10.45)
17. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (10.48)
18. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.52)
19. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (10.84)
20. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (10.9)

1. Southwest_English (4.076)
2. Southeast_English (5.709)
3. Orcadian (6.045)
4. Welsh (6.289)
5. West_Scottish (7.092)
6. Irish (7.265)
7. North_Dutch (8.297)
8. Danish (8.927)

Update from my Living DNA results:

Celt + Longobard (6.315)
Celt + Frank (7.539)
Longobard (8.688)
Celt (9.14)
Frank (10.29)

1. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (7.505)
2. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.945)
3. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.019)
4. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.688)
5. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (8.8)
6. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (9.008)
7. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (9.108)
8. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (9.14)
9. Pict (670 AD) (9.238)
10. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (9.309)
11. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (9.333)
12. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (9.506)
13. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (9.536)
14. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (9.645)
15. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (9.924)
16. Bronze Age Jutland Denmark (1400 BC) (9.975)
17. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (10.29)
18. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (10.5)
19. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (10.82)
20. Bell Beaker Southern France (2120 BC) (10.95)

1. Southwest_English (5.000)
2. Southeast_English (5.341)
3. Irish (6.490)
4. West_Scottish (6.531)
5. Orcadian (6.720)
6. Danish (9.105)
7. North_Dutch (9.241)
8. Welsh (9.597)

It completely eliminates the Vandal connection and has more similarity to the Celtic samples, though the population distance is significantly larger.

markod
13-04-19, 19:28
https://i.imgur.com/mTmOGF5.png

Here's my updated map for Asia. I now get Rise 397 from the Armenian Bronze-Age. Which is consistent with the spread of ABA giving rise to groups like the Mycenaeans.
The Ostrogoth being Greek makes a lot of sense.

My results are still the same though, and it doesn't come up one the oracles.

The fact that they already have an update makes me feel more confident about my investment with this.

I hope they continue to let out a stream of new updates. They have a lot to work with:

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/downloadable-genotypes-worlds-published-ancient-dna-data

Where in Italy do your ancestors come from? I'm guessing the south because the Hittites show up.

It would be interesting to see unmixed Italians from Basilicata in these tests as they don't seem to have inflated northern admixture from historic migrations unlike, for instance, Sicilians.

Edit: Basilicata Y-DNA indicates some north European admixture, but it's minor.


J2a: 24%
G: 21%
E: 16%
R1b: 16%
J1: 7%
I2: 7%
T: 5%
I1: 2%
R1a: 2%

(from ftdna)

Salento
13-04-19, 19:34
https://i.imgur.com/0cCH8Zl.png

Interestingly, I get Illyrian in my premium map, but not for my Full archaeological map. This happens for both AncestryDNA raw data, and the combined raw data.

https://i.imgur.com/HodK1l2.png

I get the Same Illyrian results as you :)
23 v4:


http://i.imgur.com/c5Xd4or.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/g724Xyo.jpg

Jovialis
13-04-19, 19:55
@ markod

My family comes from two towns in the region of Bari. Which was used as the modeling of SItaly3. I think the results of this calculator are consistent with what I had expected.

In the thread on the Arrival of Steppe and Iran-like Ancestry, I tied together my observations with the Raveane et al paper:


https://i.imgur.com/BGh7sR7.png

In this admixture chart on line 550, it shows that the Ibiza_Phoenician sample's autosomal components looks very close to that of the Mycenaean. Let us see how things pan out in the final peer-reviewed version of the paper.

Here's another aspect of the paper I found to be intriguing:

https://i.imgur.com/WCdBVmt.png

The Reich paper states that it is plausible that the Caucasus-related ancestry reported in Ravenae et al is likely to have been there since the early or middle Bronze-Age. Thus it stands to reason that this makes Southern Italian mainlanders; especially SItaly3 (see figure G, below) are indeed different from Sicilians. But who knows how Reich would model them. This is just my observations and speculation. At any rate, here are examples of the difference, below. If the plausibility is indeed correct, than the mainland south owes a lot of it's ancestry to the early to middle bronze age. While Sicily took a different route to get where it is today (Perhaps with Messina being an exception).

https://i.imgur.com/dGcNc3F.png

Furthermore, I noticed that Anatolian_BA is also very similar to the Minoan and Mycenaean samples; More than it is to Levant_BA, as observed in the ADMIXTURE analysis below. One of the samples even overlaps with SItaly1

https://i.imgur.com/3TqJZbA.png

https://i.imgur.com/ve5Ua4q.png

markod
13-04-19, 20:10
@Jovialis

Thanks! Exactly my thoughts regarding the difference between Sicilians and mainland South Italians.

It will be interesting to see what coastal western Anatolians looked like in the Bronze Age. My guess is that the Anatolians we have thus far have inflated CHG admixture, pulling them away from Europe.

Regio X
13-04-19, 20:18
It seems that what this company has done is straight up run an individual's whole genome against the whole genomes of ancient samples, presumably ones that are high quality. What could be more accurate than that? I don't know what anyone else is doing, whether all the samples used are of high quality, whether the run was "supervised", etc. etc.Do you think they compare the genomes directly, using just short IBD segments or some sort of statistics? I wonder if population genetic structure/drift could occasionaly inflate relatedness with IBD sharing, diverting us from the reality of ancestry. For example, if your father is Italian and your mother is half British and half Japanese, what IBDs and admixture would tell you, considering that Italian and British are much more similar to each other than to Japanese? F-statistics, for example, shows us Basques are the second more similar to the original EEF, but not admixture. Could admixture, in this case, be more informative for tracking their " ancestry" ? Not sure, but what MyTrueAncestry seems to be doing is a comparison of admixture results (using informative ancestral components); i.e., Oracle. Also, MyTrueAncestry's similarity list based on modern pops does resemble K15 Oracle. I wonder if it's a mere coincidence. :) If not, why using different methodologies for modern and ancient, if the goal is the same (identifying not just genetic similarity, but "true" ancestry)? That does seem a simple Oracle, rather than a complex calculation made by some native algorithm, which doesn't mean it's not good enough. The approach seems to work relatively well, as we could notice empirically.
(I may be wrong, of course.)

Gash
13-04-19, 20:24
I think what it means is that particular sample is not really "Longobard", as in Germanic in origin. This is Hungary, and we know the "Celts" in a broad sense were present there. Many papers have posited that some of the "Celts" who came to Italy, i,.e. the Boi, came from Hungary.

@Gash,
As to the "Roman" samples in Szolad, i.e. Central Roman, Gallo Roman and Hellenic Roman, what they're talking about is the Roman inhabitants of Pannonia. If you go back to the Amorim paper you'll see that the authors are careful to consider the archaeology, and the settlement was built in an area known for its Roman forts and villas in the period preceding the arrival of the Langobards. I don't know why it would be surprising that descendants of those people would still be there. Of course, their fate is not enviable.

You might want to read about Roman Pannonia at this late date. The Keszthely (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keszthely_culture) is the culture that was present in that precise area. Now, the authors of the article say the people were "Romanized". I'm not sure. Archaeologists for the last 50 or more years haven't wanted to admit that people moved, and not just pots. These people are too "Italian" like, it seems to me, being variously Gallo-Roman, Central Roman, or Hellenic Roman, to be mostly of "local" ancestry, and as I said upthread, this is the precise area where there are the remains of Roman forts and villas, and which maintained, with great difficulty, its "Roman" culture into the 7th century, when all around them in Pannonia it had perished.

As for the "Illyrian" and "Thracian" samples, that's precisely what they are, and that's the context in which they were buried. It seems that what this company has done is straight up run an individual's whole genome against the whole genomes of ancient samples, presumably ones that are high quality. What could be more accurate than that? I don't know what anyone else is doing, whether all the samples used are of high quality, whether the run was "supervised", etc. etc.

This is also the Bronze Age we're talking about. I don't see anything unusual in "Illyrians", i.e. mixed Indo-European and Southeastern European MN farmers moving into both Dalmatia and Northeastern Italy. Since then there were obviously changes, but maybe in one place the incoming people were "more" different, and so the overall similarity to Illyrians dropped.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keszthely_culture

"The characteristic garb of women included earrings with basket-shaped pendants, disc brooches with early Christian motifs, and garment pins. The early Christian symbols include crosses, bird-shaped brooches and pins decorated with bird figures (one bird-shaped brooch bears an incised cross). The Romanized populace of Pannonia in general became ‘Avarized’, and their ‘island’ of late antique culture is documented only in the immediate vicinity of Keszthely, where their traditional costume was worn until the beginning of the 9th century."

"The name Keszthely (IPA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet) [ˈkɛst.hɛj]) could be related to the Istriot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istriot_language)–Venetian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_language) castei, which means "castle", and is probably an original word of the Pannonian Romance language, according to the Austrian linguist Julius Pokorny (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Pokorny).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keszthely_culture#cite_note-2) He also posits that the word Pannonia is derived via Illyrian from a Proto-Indo-European (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language) root *pen- "swamp, water, wet". If true, that would suggest that the pre-Roman language of Pannonia was an Illyrian language.




Modern South Slavs aren't the same people as the pre Slavic people that lived in the Balkans.

South Slavs also get Scythian on this which is basically East European like ancestry. Albanians mostly got Roman, Ancient Greek and Ilyrian/Thracian. Some South Slavs also got Roman but also Scythian, therefor it is unlikely that the people that live there today are the same as the ones that lived there during Roman times. This is backed up by plenty of other genetic tests. If this is what you mean ?

What you said also doesn't explain why some Albanians are only getting Roman and no Ilyrian/Thracian.


I find it unlikely that this Roman is actually Roman ancestry also.


Not sure what you mean by the rest. But Albanians are closer to ancient Balkan samples than South Slavs are and these ancient samples also carry Albanian yDNA markers.


This test didn't include Vucedol or Bronze Age Montenegro or old Thracians either which were even closer to us IMO.

Jovialis
13-04-19, 20:29
@Jovialis

Thanks! Exactly my thoughts regarding the difference between Sicilians and mainland South Italians.

It will be interesting to see what coastal western Anatolians looked like in the Bronze Age. My guess is that the Anatolians we have thus far have inflated CHG admixture, pulling them away from Europe.

Earlier in the thread, I posted this graphic from the paper linked for the Hittite sample. For the Anatolian CA to MLBA, it looks to be about the same as Yamnaya. But these are all in the center of Anatolia.

https://i.imgur.com/WeXhhXp.jpg

Gash
13-04-19, 20:32
I forgot to mention South Slavs also get Avar.



I Used to be impartial about the Serbs, but now that I've found out that I’m probably related to them, I think they're amazing people. Sometimes they are also misunderstood. LOL

https://i.imgur.com/LE1U7Do.jpg

This doesn't mean that you have such ancestry. Its just Serbs are mixed with natives who were probably similar to modern Albanians which of course they deny. These calcs some of them dont use Albanian samples or else you would probably get Albanian as close as Greek and Tuscany.

Serbs are propgandists who have been pushing Caucasus theory on Albanians for generations only to get disproven by genetics, linguistics etc. so now they make up some new theory that can suit their agenda.

Angela
13-04-19, 20:40
Modern South Slavs aren't the same people as the pre Slavic people that lived in the Balkans.

South Slavs also get Scythian on this which is basically East European like ancestry. Albanians mostly got Roman, Ancient Greek and Ilyrian/Thracian. Some South Slavs also got Roman but also Scythian, therefor it is unlikely that the people that live there today are the same as the ones that lived there during Roman times. This is backed up by plenty of other genetic tests. If this is what you mean ?

What you said also doesn't explain why some Albanians are only getting Roman and no Ilyrian/Thracian.


I find it unlikely that this Roman is actually Roman ancestry also.


Not sure what you mean by the rest. But Albanians are closer to ancient Balkan samples than South Slavs are and these ancient samples also carry Albanian yDNA markers.


This test didn't include Vucedol or Bronze Age Montenegro or old Thracians either which were even closer to us IMO.

We're going to have to agree to disagree.

I'm closer to one of the "Romans" in Szolad than I am to any modern Italian population. I think that means something.

Those people were "absorbed" in one generation in an area which we know maintained a Romano-Christian culture into the 7th century, spoke a Romance language, and where one can find many Roman villas and forts. We also know it was retaken by the Eastern Roman Empire for a good chunk of time. I'm not at all surprised some of the samples look like Greeks. Those forts would have been manned by Byzantium.

Now, I'm sure that most of Hungary was not like the area around Lake Balaton, but this area was indeed different.

One can also look at the Collegno graveyard. There are actual "Germanic" Langobards, some Gallic like women, which makes sense since France is so close, one "Tuscan" like person and a number of "Hellenic" like or Greek shifted people. Collego is in Italy. What else could those people be but late Antiquity Romans?

I know it goes against what some people have thought for so long, but it is what it is. The "locals" from Italy and from Szolad are very similar.

I'm not going into the minefield of Balkan genetics. I don't know why people from the western Balkans get lower "Illyrian" and "Thracian" than some Northern Italians. I just know that archaeology, linguistics, and now genetics confirm that these types of people also went to Northern Italy, particularly Northeastern Italy. Again, it is what it is.

It goes without saying that the people from Hungary today are very different from the ones of the 6th century. From what I can tell a lot of their ancestry is south German/eastern French like, probably the result of the great west to east migrations of later Medieval periods.

Ed. Whether these Romans are like the Romans of the Republic and the early Empire we will know when those ancient samples are released. I think it's suggestive, however, that from what the author has said, there were two groups, one northern Italian like, and one Southern Italian like. Doesn't that seem to be about what the Collegno and Szolad samples show?

bigsnake49
13-04-19, 21:57
We're going to have to agree to disagree.

I'm closer to one of the "Romans" in Szolad than I am to any modern Italian population. I think that means something.

Those people were "absorbed" in one generation in an area which we know maintained a Romano-Christian culture into the 7th century, spoke a Romance language, and where one can find many Roman villas and forts. We also know it was retaken by the Eastern Roman Empire for a good chunk of time. I'm not at all surprised some of the samples look like Greeks. Those forts would have been manned by Byzantium.

Now, I'm sure that most of Hungary was not like the area around Lake Balaton, but this area was indeed different.

One can also look at the Collegno graveyard. There are actual "Germanic" Langobards, some Gallic like women, which makes sense since France is so close, one "Tuscan" like person and a number of "Hellenic" like or Greek shifted people. Collego is in Italy. What else could those people be but late Antiquity Romans?

I know it goes against what some people have thought for so long, but it is what it is. The "locals" from Italy and from Szolad are very similar.

I'm not going into the minefield of Balkan genetics. I don't know why people from the western Balkans get lower "Illyrian" and "Thracian" than some Northern Italians. I just know that archaeology, linguistics, and now genetics confirm that these types of people also went to Northern Italy, particularly Northeastern Italy. Again, it is what it is.

It goes without saying that the people from Hungary today are very different from the ones of the 6th century. From what I can tell a lot of their ancestry is south German/eastern French like, probably the result of the great west to east migrations of later Medieval periods.

Ed. Whether these Romans are like the Romans of the Republic and the early Empire we will know when those ancient samples are released. I think it's suggestive, however, that from what the author has said, there were two groups, one northern Italian like, and one Southern Italian like. Doesn't that seem to be about what the Collegno and Szolad samples show?

Angela,could it be that after the defeat of the Illyrian Uprising of around 6-9 AD the Romans engaged in some genocide/ethnic cleansing? They sold a lot of them as slaves, they moved a lot of the tribes around the Balkans, brought some people from Dacia into Illyria. Could that have messed the genetics of the whole area? The Illyrians are not heard from again.

Jovialis
13-04-19, 22:02
Thanks a lot for linking this, very informative and easy to navigate. The ancient populations seemed slightly surprising but it's certainly left me intrigued.

From my Ancestry DNA results:

Vandal + Frank (4.865)
Vandal + Longobard (5.047)
Vandal (7.678)
Longobard (7.754)
Frank (8.46)

1. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (4.077)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (5.973)
3. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (7.678)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (7.754)
5. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.195)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (8.383)
7. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.46)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.015)
9. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (9.163)

1. Southwest_English (4.076)
2. Southeast_English (5.709)
3. Orcadian (6.045)
4. Welsh (6.289)

Update from my Living DNA results:

Celt + Longobard (6.315)
Celt + Frank (7.539)
Longobard (8.688)
Celt (9.14)
Frank (10.29)

1. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (7.505)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (7.945)
3. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.019)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (8.688)
5. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (8.8)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.008)
7. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (9.108)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.14)
9. Pict (670 AD) (9.238)

1. Southwest_English (5.000)
2. Southeast_English (5.341)
3. Irish (6.490)
4. West_Scottish (6.531)

It completely eliminates the Vandal connection and has more similarity to the Celtic samples, though the population distance is significantly larger.


Did you notice any differences in samples that popped up between the two maps of the separate versions of raw data? For me, AncestryDNA was more substantive.

Jovialis
13-04-19, 22:14
https://i.imgur.com/WD1Wwdz.png

https://i.imgur.com/0cCH8Zl.png

I think the map demonstrates this.

Johane Derite
13-04-19, 22:20
Angela,could it be that after the defeat of the Illyrian Uprising of around 6-9 AD the Romans engaged in some genocide/ethnic cleansing? They sold a lot of them as slaves, they moved a lot of the tribes around the Balkans, brought some people from Dacia into Illyria. Could that have messed the genetics of the whole area? The Illyrians are not heard from again.

This is false, Illyrians are heard from. St Jerome testified in his commentary on Isaiah 7.19 he that he spoke in his native Illyrian tongue in the countryside among his people. Thats late 4th Century, early 5th Century AD.

Any source about romans bringing Dacians into Illyria?

bigsnake49
13-04-19, 23:05
This is false, Illyrians are heard from. St Jerome testified in his commentary on Isaiah 7.19 he that he spoke in his native Illyrian tongue in the countryside among his people. Thats late 4th Century, early 5th Century AD.

Any source about romans bringing Dacians into Illyria?

I don't remember the chapter of Cassius Dio Roman History that it appears in.

Angela
13-04-19, 23:26
Angela,could it be that after the defeat of the Illyrian Uprising of around 6-9 AD the Romans engaged in some genocide/ethnic cleansing? They sold a lot of them as slaves, they moved a lot of the tribes around the Balkans, brought some people from Dacia into Illyria. Could that have messed the genetics of the whole area? The Illyrians are not heard from again.


I honestly don't know. It's true that there were a lot of Illyrian slaves, with some of the men ending up as gladiators, along with Thracians, and increasingly so as Rome made peace with Gaul..


However, the Romans said they completely obliterated the Apuani, a "Celt-Ligurian" group from my area, yet Cavalli Sforza always thought many had fled to the Ligurian and Appennine Alps. Given the over 70% R1b in those areas, it seems like a pretty good bet to me.

"They are first mentioned in 187 BCE, when we are told that they were defeated and reduced to submission by the consul C. Flaminius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaius_Flaminius_(consul_187_BC)); but the next year they appear again in arms, and defeated the consul Q. Marcius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintus_Marcius_Philippus_(consul_186_BC)), with the loss of 4,000 men and three standards (plus standards of the Roman ally). The place of the battle was located by historian Lorenzo Marcuccetti (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lorenzo_Marcuccetti&action=edit&redlink=1), using references left by Titus Livius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titus_Livius), in the territory of Seravezza (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seravezza). In fact, according to Titus Livius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titus_Livius) the places was named, after the battle, Saltus Marcius (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saltus_Marcius&action=edit&redlink=1) (saltus meaning a drop or a height difference and Marcius from the name of the consul) and today the hill above the supposed place of the battle, placed in a narrow gorge, still bear the name "Colle Marcio" (Marcio Hill). Others historic and logical evidences led to believe that this was the place of the battle (see Lorenzo Marcuccetti, Saltus Marcius. La sconfitta di Roma contro la Nazione Ligure-Apuana, Petrartedizioni, Lucca 2002). This disaster was avenged the next year, but after several successive campaigns the consuls for the year 181-180 BCE, P. Cornelius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publius_Cornelius_Cethegus_(consul_181_BC)) and M. Baebius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Baebius_Tamphilus), had recourse to the expedient of removing the whole nation from their abodes, and transporting them, to the number of 40,000, including women and children, into the heart of Samnium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samnium). Here they were settled in the vacant plains, which had formerly belonged to Taurasia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurasi) (hence called Campi Taurasini (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Campi_Taurasini&action=edit&redlink=1)), and appear to have become a flourishing community. The next year 7,000 more, who had been in the first instance suffered to remain, were removed by the consul Fulvius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintus_Fulvius_Flaccus) to join their countrymen. We meet with them long afterwards among the populi of Samnium, subsisting as a separate community, under the name of Ligures Baebiani et Corneliani (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligures_Baebiani), as late as the reign of Trajan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajan)[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apuani#cite_note-1)"



So, they need not all have been moved. If the numbers were really reduced, however, the signature might be more "faint". I think we also need to keep in mind that the Romans were pretty sloppy with "ethnic" descriptions. Illyricum probably included different tribes who might have been slightly different from one another. If I recall correctly there was definitely a difference in "sophistication" between the coastal and inland dwellers.

My gut feeling is that by the Iron Age the people in the Balkans were relatively alike, having amalgamated to some extent. The plague and the Slavic migrations had a substantial impact, however, a migration which I think may have gone more heavily down the central area. The Alps protected the Northern Italians from that invasion, that and the presence of the Langobards, who had some impact on Italians, but not as much as the Slavs had on some areas of the Balkans.

Feel free to disregard any or all of the above. This is all speculation. :)

Tutkun Arnaut
13-04-19, 23:30
This is false, Illyrians are heard from. St Jerome testified in his commentary on Isaiah 7.19 he that he spoke in his native Illyrian tongue in the countryside among his people. Thats late 4th Century, early 5th Century AD.

Any source about romans bringing Dacians into Illyria?

The source could be his mother!

LABERIA
13-04-19, 23:37
Angela,could it be that after the defeat of the Illyrian Uprising of around 6-9 AD the Romans engaged in some genocide/ethnic cleansing? They sold a lot of them as slaves, they moved a lot of the tribes around the Balkans, brought some people from Dacia into Illyria. Could that have messed the genetics of the whole area? The Illyrians are not heard from again.
https://qph2.c7.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ce00a24588764305b6f317343d88f227
https://qph2.c7.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6ae2168ac7c6bbb687a23db7d5249f5a

Angela
13-04-19, 23:38
^^Stop acting like a jerk.

markod
14-04-19, 00:19
Angela,could it be that after the defeat of the Illyrian Uprising of around 6-9 AD the Romans engaged in some genocide/ethnic cleansing? They sold a lot of them as slaves, they moved a lot of the tribes around the Balkans, brought some people from Dacia into Illyria. Could that have messed the genetics of the whole area? The Illyrians are not heard from again.
It looks like Croatians and Bosnians still sit on a more or less perfect cline between ancient West Balkanic samples and Ukrainians/Russians. I think it wouldn't be far fetched to say that BA West Balkanic populations could have contributed some ancestry to those groups.

https://i.imgur.com/l3vQ8Wu.png

It's the Serbs and the Albanians who can't be derived from that two-way mixture, as both have significantly inflated West Asian (CHG) ancestry.

Johane Derite
14-04-19, 00:46
It looks like Croatians and Bosnians still sit on a more or less perfect cline between ancient West Balkanic samples and Ukrainians/Russians. I think it wouldn't be far fetched to say that BA West Balkanic populations could have contributed some ancestry to those groups.

https://i.imgur.com/l3vQ8Wu.png

It's the Serbs and the Albanians who can't be derived from that two-way mixture, as both have significantly inflated West Asian (CHG) ancestry.

What causes "significantly inflated West Asian (CHG) ancestry" of Abruzzo Italians?

New Englander
14-04-19, 00:48
What is the 2200BC dot in Sicily? I see lots of us have this showing up, but I havent seen it blue yet.

markod
14-04-19, 01:07
What causes "significantly inflated West Asian (CHG) ancestry" of Abruzzo Italians?

It's even more pronounced in more southern Italians. My guess would be that it's Mediterranean Bronze Age ancestry from the Aegean.

Salento
14-04-19, 01:19
NatGeo Helix:
http://i.imgur.com/q1Dne92.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/spnOaiG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9IOnIg4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5vCPE0B.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/iDPbvkO.jpg

Regio X
14-04-19, 04:39
https://i.imgur.com/l3vQ8Wu.pngCompare...


Me, Father and Mother
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/K15map_zps0gjunrxj.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/K15map_zps0gjunrxj.jpg.html)


https://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/MyAncientPop_23andMe_zpsocfpr4fu.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/MyAncientPop_23andMe_zpsocfpr4fu.jpg.html%5D%5BIMG %5Dhttps://oi38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/MyAncientPop_23andMe_zpsocfpr4fu.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL)
Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
1. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (3.516)

Your closest genetic modern populations...
1. North_Italian (7.993)
2. Spanish_Cataluna (9.178)
3. Spanish_Extremadura (9.460)
4. Spanish_Murcia (9.659)

Salento
14-04-19, 05:01
I forgot to mention South Slavs also get Avar.




This doesn't mean that you have such ancestry. Its just Serbs are mixed with natives who were probably similar to modern Albanians which of course they deny. These calcs some of them dont use Albanian samples or else you would probably get Albanian as close as Greek and Tuscany.

Serbs are propgandists who have been pushing Caucasus theory on Albanians for generations only to get disproven by genetics, linguistics etc. so now they make up some new theory that can suit their agenda.

I’m aware of the meaning of my results, and I’m also aware of the Balkan Feuds.

Jovialis
14-04-19, 13:22
What is the 2200BC dot in Sicily? I see lots of us have this showing up, but I havent seen it blue yet.

I was curious about the blue and red dots too. I e-mailed the creators of the calculator, asking about their significance.

ajc347
14-04-19, 13:55
I was curious about the blue and red dots too. I e-mailed the creators of the calculator, asking about their significance.

The FAQ’s detail there significance as follows:

‘Blue dots link to a clearly defined set of ancient peoples. Red dots refer to ancient samples where identity is difficult to determine based on archaelogical evidence.
Faded dots mean distant connection, brighter dots mean very close DNA distance to you’.

It is difficult to work out whether dots that overlap are faded or not. I’ve also noticed that a blue Saxon 700AD reference appears in all of my premium maps but not in the corresponding archaeological maps.

I’ve also noticed that on some maps, the circle for a given sample (such as Celtic/Viking Iceland 1000AD, for example), is the same size on all of my maps, but is larger on all of my mum’s maps (with two differing sizes being used depending upon the raw data sample).


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bigsnake49
14-04-19, 16:01
A very interesting paper on population movements as a matter of policy by the Byzantine Emperors to disperse troublesome elements (i.e. Armenians, Slavs, heretics) serve as bulwarks against aggressive "barbarians" or to repopulate emptied lands (Thrace):
https://www.jstor.org/stable/177624?read-now=1&seq=2#metadata_info_tab_contents
Armenians were displaced all over Asia Minor, Syria, Thrace and Macedonia, Slavs were displaced to Asia Minor and a whole bunch of heretics were displaced from Asia Minor to Thrace. These extensive population movements which the author says is a continuation of Roman policy might play havoc with genetics and screw up "ethnic" purity. So if you have Scythian Roman in your true ancestry your ancestors might be some of those displaced people.

Angela
14-04-19, 18:31
What is the 2200BC dot in Sicily? I see lots of us have this showing up, but I havent seen it blue yet.

If I'm not mistaken that's a Sicilian buried in a Beaker setting but without any steppe.

Gash
14-04-19, 18:46
We're going to have to agree to disagree.

I'm closer to one of the "Romans" in Szolad than I am to any modern Italian population. I think that means something.

Those people were "absorbed" in one generation in an area which we know maintained a Romano-Christian culture into the 7th century, spoke a Romance language, and where one can find many Roman villas and forts. We also know it was retaken by the Eastern Roman Empire for a good chunk of time. I'm not at all surprised some of the samples look like Greeks. Those forts would have been manned by Byzantium.

Now, I'm sure that most of Hungary was not like the area around Lake Balaton, but this area was indeed different.

One can also look at the Collegno graveyard. There are actual "Germanic" Langobards, some Gallic like women, which makes sense since France is so close, one "Tuscan" like person and a number of "Hellenic" like or Greek shifted people. Collego is in Italy. What else could those people be but late Antiquity Romans?

I know it goes against what some people have thought for so long, but it is what it is. The "locals" from Italy and from Szolad are very similar.

I'm not going into the minefield of Balkan genetics. I don't know why people from the western Balkans get lower "Illyrian" and "Thracian" than some Northern Italians. I just know that archaeology, linguistics, and now genetics confirm that these types of people also went to Northern Italy, particularly Northeastern Italy. Again, it is what it is.

It goes without saying that the people from Hungary today are very different from the ones of the 6th century. From what I can tell a lot of their ancestry is south German/eastern French like, probably the result of the great west to east migrations of later Medieval periods.

Ed. Whether these Romans are like the Romans of the Republic and the early Empire we will know when those ancient samples are released. I think it's suggestive, however, that from what the author has said, there were two groups, one northern Italian like, and one Southern Italian like. Doesn't that seem to be about what the Collegno and Szolad samples show?

If you want to believe that the Romans had that much of a genetic impact on the Balkans then be my guest. However there isn't any genetic data that supports this though I am of course open to any idea. I'm sure the Romans would of left some YDNA markers that could verify such genetic imprint. There is some but certianly not that large from everything I have seen.

As for the Ilyrians samples. They are mostly Bronze Age samples from Croatia. Samples from other areas of the Balkans weren't really like Northern Italians anyway. They were more East of Italians. Lets also not forget that they are just Bronze Age samples.

And yes, I am aware that the Ilyrians went to Italy.

Angela
14-04-19, 20:08
If you want to believe that the Romans had that much of a genetic impact on the Balkans then be my guest. However there isn't any genetic data that supports this though I am of course open to any idea. I'm sure the Romans would of left some YDNA markers that could verify such genetic imprint. There is some but certianly not that large from everything I have seen.

As for the Ilyrians samples. They are mostly Bronze Age samples from Croatia. Samples from other areas of the Balkans weren't really like Northern Italians anyway. They were more East of Italians. Lets also not forget that they are just Bronze Age samples.

And yes, I am aware that the Ilyrians went to Italy.

Where, precisely, did I say that the Romans had a big genetic impact on the Balkans as a whole? I think I went out of my way to say that this area, this culture, was an exception.

I "said" that the "Illyrian" sample might have been from just one of the tribes in Illyria.

What other Balkan samples are in the study? From what I can see, just the "Illyrian" one, and some of the Thracian ones. I get both, and at pretty high levels.
https://i.imgur.com/wuRWYxR.png


Sorry if these results are upsetting to some Albanians, but it is what it is.

Everyone is going to have to pull up their big boy pants, in every ethnicity, and accept what the genetics shows.

Sam Boyer
14-04-19, 22:11
Did you notice any differences in samples that popped up between the two maps of the separate versions of raw data? For me, AncestryDNA was more substantive.

I'll edit in the images once I reach ten posts, but aside from minor differences, the maps look fairly similar at first glance. However, the shades of blue do differ somewhat between each sample.

My biggest question at the moment is why 'Saxon' is completely absent from the ancient populations, despite there being plenty of genetic similarity to other Germanic tribes like the Longobards, Franks and Vandals.

markod
14-04-19, 23:05
I'll edit in the images once I reach ten posts, but aside from minor differences, the maps look fairly similar at first glance. However, the shades of blue do differ somewhat between each sample.

My biggest question at the moment is why 'Saxon' is completely absent from the ancient populations, despite there being plenty of genetic similarity to other Germanic tribes like the Longobards, Franks and Vandals.

The Saxons seem to have significant North Germanic and, by extension, 'Finnish' ancestry, so it doesn't surprise me that they wouldn't show a particularly strong affinity to present-day British. I'd think that Orcadians might be an exception.

Salento
15-04-19, 15:04
@Gash

puntDNAL

http://i.imgur.com/Rh47Keh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/9OzZhq5.jpg


mMonte3 k13 (Helix)

http://i.imgur.com/3Rj4x8p.jpg


mMonte3 k13 (23 v5)

https://i.imgur.com/LE1U7Do.jpg

Duarte
15-04-19, 15:58
@Gash

puntDNAL

http://i.imgur.com/Rh47Keh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/9OzZhq5.jpg


mMonte3 k13 (Helix)

http://i.imgur.com/3Rj4x8p.jpg


mMonte3 k13 (23 v5)

https://i.imgur.com/LE1U7Do.jpg
Hi Salento.
How do you do. Cool calculator this puntDNAL. For the first time I could see Brazilian ethnicity. These are my results puntDNAL. First, puntDNAL K15, recommenced by GEDmatch, and second, puntDNAL K12 Modern, this last, choosed by me aleatoric way.

https://i.imgur.com/2Oa861Y.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/uPwGfx7.jpg

Salento
15-04-19, 16:10
@Duarte that’s great. :)
(https://www.yourdnaportal.com/)

Angela
15-04-19, 16:23
Well, it's not good for North/Central Italians, or at least not for me. I've never gotten anything other than North Italian and Tuscan as one and two. Also, where is my similarity to Southern Italians? Is this based on Eurogenes K15? If it is, just more proof of how wrong it is. I am not Albanian, as some of them will no doubt be happy to hear me report. :)

#Population (source)Distance
1Albanian4.02
2Tuscan4.23
3Italian6.4
4Greek_Thessaly7.63
5Greek_Central8.96
6Montenegrin9.037
7Portuguese10.71
8Bulgarian11.01
9Ashkenazy_Jew11.47
10Romanian11.51
11Sicilian12.03
12Spaniard12.84
13Brazilian13.43
14Macedonian13.44
15Sephardic_Jew15.08
16Bosnian16.81
17Basque18.38
18Serbian19.28
19French19.56
20South_German22.66

bigsnake49
15-04-19, 17:27
Mine with K12 modern:

Single Population Sharing:



#
Population (source)
Distance


1
Albanian
6.18


2
Bulgarian
6.19


3
Greek
6.21


4
Tuscan
8.99


5
Ashkenazi_Jew
11.79


6
Croatian
12.45


7
Sicilian_West
13.18


8
Romanian
13.25


9
Sicilian_East
13.46


10
Turkish_Aydin
13.87


11
Italian_Bergamo
15.13


12
Belgian
16.43


13
Dutch_South
16.63


14
French
17.29


15
German_South
17.77


16
Hungarian
17.83


17
Utahn_European
18.31


18
Spanish_Southwest
19


19
Turkish
19.62


20
Spanish_Canaries
19.96



Mixed Mode Population Sharing:



#

Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance


1

57.9%
Belgian
+
42.1%
Turkish_Kayseri
@
1.66


2

55.4%
Spanish_Southwest
+
44.6%
Chechen
@
1.74


3

55.2%
Utahn_European
+
44.8%
Turkish_Kayseri
@
1.79


4

63.1%
Romanian
+
36.9%
Turkish_Kayseri
@
1.92


5

60.6%
Spanish_Southwest
+
39.4%
Lezgin
@
1.96


6

83.9%
Albanian
+
16.1%
Tajik_Pomiri
@
2


7

53.2%
French
+
46.8%
Turkish
@
2.08


8

56%
German_South
+
44%
Turkish_Kayseri
@
2.12


9

62.1%
German_South
+
37.9%
Iranian_Jew
@
2.12


10

54.5%
Belgian
+
45.5%
Turkish
@
2.21


11

61.4%
Utahn_European
+
38.6%
Iranian_Jew
@
2.26


12

59.3%
German_South
+
40.7%
Assyrian
@
2.26


13

54.2%
Spanish_Southwest
+
45.8%
Kumyk
@
2.26


14

52.7%
English_South
+
47.3%
Turkish_Kayseri
@
2.33


15

67.6%
Romanian
+
32.4%
Armenian
@
2.33


16

66.5%
Romanian
+
33.5%
Laz
@
2.41


17

62.8%
Dutch_South
+
37.2%
Druze
@
2.41


18

84.2%
Greek
+
15.8%
Tajik_Pomiri
@
2.44


19

55.2%
Spanish_Southwest
+
44.8%
Adygei
@
2.46


20

62.9%
French
+
37.1%
Iranian
@
2.47



Yeah... I don't think so, particularly the 2 population mixing.

Regio X
15-04-19, 21:46
https://i.imgur.com/54lIlr9.pngInteresting. Again in consonance to the study which puts the Roman soldier closer to modern Iberians.

@Angela
I guess puntDNAL K15 is not related to Eurogenes K15.
K15 is just a reference to the number of clusters.

My first ten at puntDNAL K15:

FTDNA
1 Italian 3.24
2 Montenegrin 4.51
3 Romanian 5.36
4 Bulgarian 5.52
5 Spaniard 7.15
6 Macedonian 7.49
7 Portuguese 7.77
8 Albanian 9.29
9 Tuscan 10.75
10 Greek_Thessaly 10.94

23andMe v4
1 Italian 3.33
2 Montenegrin 4.54
3 Romanian 5.34
4 Bulgarian 5.51
5 Spaniard 7.14
6 Macedonian 7.46
7 Portuguese 7.8
8 Albanian 9.37
9 Tuscan 10.84
10 Bosnian 10.99

Father's (23andMe v4)
1 Montenegrin 3.21
2 Italian 3.43
3 Romanian 3.53
4 Bulgarian 3.87
5 Macedonian 5.77
6 Spaniard 8.71
7 Bosnian 9.08
8 Albanian 9.29
9 Portuguese 9.65
10 Greek_Thessaly 10.23

Mother's (23andMe v4)
1 Italian 4.78
2 Montenegrin 5.15
3 Romanian 5.25
4 Bulgarian 5.61
5 Spaniard 6.47
6 Macedonian 7.11
7 Portuguese 7.89
8 French 9.56
9 Bosnian 10.49
10 Serbian 10.84

"Italian" means "North Italian"?

Gabriele Pashaj
15-04-19, 23:20
1093210933

italouruguayan
16-04-19, 01:21
puntDNAL K15 4-Ancestors Oracle


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Mexican @ 12.475453
2 Brazilian @ 16.080528
3 Bulgarian @ 20.927120
4 Montenegrin @ 21.156204
5 Albanian @ 21.570024
6 Macedonian @ 21.632956
7 Romanian @ 21.672199
8 Italian @ 21.722408
9 Greek_Thessaly @ 22.112654
10 Puerto_Rican @ 22.160589
11 Bosnian @ 22.578793
12 Tuscan @ 22.833961
13 Greek_Central @ 23.180931
14 Portuguese @ 24.393448
15 Spaniard @ 24.972433
16 Serbian @ 25.139980
17 Colombian_B @ 25.244846
18 Ashkenazy_Jew @ 25.303316
19 French @ 26.697556
20 Sicilian @ 27.072186

Out of my obvious affinities with Latin American populations, my Italian references appear in 8th place ....

Angela
16-04-19, 02:28
puntDNAL K15 4-Ancestors Oracle


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Mexican @ 12.475453
2 Brazilian @ 16.080528
3 Bulgarian @ 20.927120
4 Montenegrin @ 21.156204
5 Albanian @ 21.570024
6 Macedonian @ 21.632956
7 Romanian @ 21.672199
8 Italian @ 21.722408
9 Greek_Thessaly @ 22.112654
10 Puerto_Rican @ 22.160589
11 Bosnian @ 22.578793
12 Tuscan @ 22.833961
13 Greek_Central @ 23.180931
14 Portuguese @ 24.393448
15 Spaniard @ 24.972433
16 Serbian @ 25.139980
17 Colombian_B @ 25.244846
18 Ashkenazy_Jew @ 25.303316
19 French @ 26.697556
20 Sicilian @ 27.072186

Out of my obvious affinities with Latin American populations, my Italian references appear in 8th place ....

I don't think it was created with Europeans in mind, and I don't think it's particularly good for Southern Europeans, at least. It's the only calculator, ever, that didn't give me an Italian population as first choice. Well, there's one other...something Kurd did, but that's because for some inexplicable reason he only used Southern Italians. I think I might have come out Bulgarian on that one, and then Albanian, or the other way around, I don't remember.

Have you run the Dodecad ones?

italouruguayan
16-04-19, 04:44
Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 17.898823
2 Romanians_Behar @ 19.177551
3 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 19.497793
4 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 19.662922
5 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 20.216389
6 TSI30_Metspalu @ 21.445169
7 North_Italian_HGDP @ 22.148018
8 Tuscan_HGDP @ 22.196404
9 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 22.411747
10 Greek_Dodecad @ 24.458960
11 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 24.975294
12 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 25.034306
13 Hungarians_Behar @ 25.313700
14 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 25.327185
15 French_Dodecad @ 25.372885
16 French_HGDP @ 25.603655
17 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 25.726482
18 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 26.093929
19 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 27.091309
20 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 27.183168

Dodecad V3 4-Ancestors Oracle

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuscan_Xing @ 17.232601
2 Tuscan_Henn @ 17.745371
3 TSI_HapMap @ 18.480227
4 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 21.444227
5 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 21.806314
6 Slovenian_Xing @ 21.924429
7 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 22.296892
8 Romanians_14_Behar @ 22.372116
9 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 23.043327
10 Hungarians_Behar @ 23.765650
11 Balkans_Dodecad @ 24.508427
12 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 25.065321
13 Tuscan_HGDP @ 25.422903
14 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 25.914598
15 North_Italian_HGDP @ 26.588444
16 French_HGDP @ 27.245493
17 French_Dodecad @ 27.256750
18 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 27.760830
19 IBS_1000Genomes @ 27.998789
20 CEU_HapMap @ 28.124374


Dodecad K7b 4-Ancestors Oracle



Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 14.722487
2 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 14.871604
3 Romanians_Behar @ 14.879505
4 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 15.128819
5 Tuscan_HGDP @ 16.245222
6 TSI30_Metspalu @ 16.583483
7 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 16.764202
8 North_Italian_HGDP @ 17.530367
9 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 19.230648
10 Greek_Dodecad @ 20.025442
11 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 20.852360
12 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 21.262768
13 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 21.364807
14 Murcia_1000Genomes @ 21.449854
15 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 21.452345
16 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 21.913164
17 Andalucia_1000Genomes @ 21.981537
18 Spaniards_Behar @ 22.892649
19 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes @ 23.362490
20 Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes @ 23.776316

matty74
16-04-19, 10:36
The Saxons seem to have significant North Germanic and, by extension, 'Finnish' ancestry, so it doesn't surprise me that they wouldn't show a particularly strong affinity to present-day British. I'd think that Orcadians might be an exception.

Mine seems to be all over the map regarding the different DNA sampling companies. I show up heavily as north atlantic/orcadian/west norwegian and now longobard/saxon. I think it confuses me more than anything.

https://i.imgur.com/GokIUtZ.png

https://i.imgur.com/DXTnHmO.png

https://i.imgur.com/h1j6OJx.png

https://i.imgur.com/jZsQhXG.png

https://i.imgur.com/c49NVBX.png

https://i.imgur.com/djLOmE4.jpg?1

Boreas
16-04-19, 11:55
Me vs Turkish

Me
1. Greek (12.01)
2. Bulgarian (13.68)
3. Kosovan (13.90)
4. Greek_Thessaly (14.26)

General Turkish
1. Azeri (6.590)
2. Kurdish (10.73)
3. Georgian_Jewish (11.99)
4. Armenian (12.28)
5. Iranian (12.36)
6. Assyrian (13.23)
7. Sephardic_Jewish (14.64)
8. Lebanese_Muslim (15.46)

Me
Roman + Ottoman (9.003)
Ottoman + Ostrogoth (14.84)
Ottoman (17.11)
Roman (18.24)
Ostrogoth (19.86)

General Turkish
1. *Ostrogoth (13.84)
2. Hellenic Roman + Ottoman (11.05)
3. Hellenic Roman + Ostrogoth (12.49)
4. Ostrogoth (13.84)
5. Hellenic Roman (15.63)
6. Ottoman (19.28)

Mark Polman
16-04-19, 12:37
The Saxons seem to have significant North Germanic and, by extension, 'Finnish' ancestry, so it doesn't surprise me that they wouldn't show a particularly strong affinity to present-day British. I'd think that Orcadians might be an exception.

I'm a Frank-Saxon and have a 2.9 distance to the ancient Longobard-Frank samples. My most close relation to present populations is Northern German and Southern Dutch, which is correct related to my documented tree. My third and fourth present population relation on MyTrueAncestry are both English and I'm not aware of any English ancestor. So I would say Saxon is implied in Longobard and the present English population has - as generally accepted - a lot of Saxon ancestry.

markod
16-04-19, 14:33
I'm a Frank-Saxon and have a 2.9 distance to the ancient Longobard-Frank samples. My most close relation to present populations is Northern German and Southern Dutch, which is correct related to my documented tree. My third and fourth present population relation on MyTrueAncestry are both English and I'm not aware of any English ancestor. So I would say Saxon is implied in Longobard and the present English population has - as generally accepted - a lot of Saxon ancestry.

I was talking about the ancient Saxon samples. You're not going to be very close to them unless you have lots of Norwegian or Western Finnish ancestry.

Angela
16-04-19, 14:37
Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 17.898823
2 Romanians_Behar @ 19.177551
3 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 19.497793
4 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 19.662922
5 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 20.216389
6 TSI30_Metspalu @ 21.445169
7 North_Italian_HGDP @ 22.148018
8 Tuscan_HGDP @ 22.196404
9 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 22.411747
10 Greek_Dodecad @ 24.458960
11 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 24.975294
12 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 25.034306
13 Hungarians_Behar @ 25.313700
14 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 25.327185
15 French_Dodecad @ 25.372885
16 French_HGDP @ 25.603655
17 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 25.726482
18 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 26.093929
19 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 27.091309
20 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 27.183168

Dodecad V3 4-Ancestors Oracle

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuscan_Xing @ 17.232601
2 Tuscan_Henn @ 17.745371
3 TSI_HapMap @ 18.480227
4 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 21.444227
5 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 21.806314
6 Slovenian_Xing @ 21.924429
7 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 22.296892
8 Romanians_14_Behar @ 22.372116
9 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 23.043327
10 Hungarians_Behar @ 23.765650
11 Balkans_Dodecad @ 24.508427
12 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 25.065321
13 Tuscan_HGDP @ 25.422903
14 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 25.914598
15 North_Italian_HGDP @ 26.588444
16 French_HGDP @ 27.245493
17 French_Dodecad @ 27.256750
18 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 27.760830
19 IBS_1000Genomes @ 27.998789
20 CEU_HapMap @ 28.124374


Dodecad K7b 4-Ancestors Oracle



Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 14.722487
2 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 14.871604
3 Romanians_Behar @ 14.879505
4 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 15.128819
5 Tuscan_HGDP @ 16.245222
6 TSI30_Metspalu @ 16.583483
7 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 16.764202
8 North_Italian_HGDP @ 17.530367
9 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 19.230648
10 Greek_Dodecad @ 20.025442
11 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 20.852360
12 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 21.262768
13 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 21.364807
14 Murcia_1000Genomes @ 21.449854
15 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 21.452345
16 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 21.913164
17 Andalucia_1000Genomes @ 21.981537
18 Spaniards_Behar @ 22.892649
19 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes @ 23.362490
20 Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes @ 23.776316

Distant fits, as to be expected given that you have mixed ancestry, but at least your ancestral populations show up. As always, if you have Southern European ancestry, he finds it. Pity he never updated them.

I've forgotten, did he have Amerindian admixed reference samples?

Mark Polman
16-04-19, 15:24
I was talking about the ancient Saxon samples. You're not going to be very close to them unless you have lots of Norwegian or Western Finnish ancestry.

Generally, when we are talking about Saxons and Old Saxony (see e.g. Wikipedia for both terms), it's about Northern Germany. No mention of Norway, Sweden or Finland. So what ancient samples of Saxons does MyTrueAncestry use?

markod
16-04-19, 15:35
Generally, when we are talking about Saxons and Old Saxony (see e.g. Wikipedia for both terms), it's about Northern Germany. No mention of Norway, Sweden or Finland. So what ancient samples of Saxons does MyTrueAncestry use?


Iron Age samples from Hinxton.

Mark Polman
16-04-19, 16:16
Iron Age samples from Hinxton.

Allright, Schiffels, Haak et al (2016). They are Saxon in a British context, but would they fit the Northern Germans? The first Saxons from the Elbe region had occupied Brittan around 442 CE. Other persons and groups arrived later. Maybe exactly these Hinxton samples would better fit later immigrants from Norway that had presence up to Finland?

italouruguayan
16-04-19, 16:25
Yes, Angela. Dodecad World 9 must be the Gedmatch calculator that best fits my particular case. The comparison of 4 populations is surprising ... it almost seems to describe my grandparents ...
World9 4-Ancestors Oracle
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 41.73
2 Southern 23.35
3 Amerindian 19.32
4 Caucasus_Gedrosia 11.48
5 African 3.30
Finished reading population data. 250 populations found.
9 components mode.
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 CLM30 @ 11.135666
2 PUR30 @ 14.176372
3 Brazilian_Dodecad @ 19.835594
4 Colombian @ 19.978254
5 Puerto_Rican @ 21.030418
6 AthabaskHD4 @ 22.808693
7 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 23.451502
8 Tuscan_HGDP @ 23.481766
9 TSI30_Metspalu @ 23.623112
10 Romanians_Behar @ 24.122519
11 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 24.367926
12 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 24.651161
13 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 25.105938
14 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 25.364521
15 North_Italian_HGDP @ 25.401751
16 Canarias_1000 Genomes @ 26.151405
17 Greek_Dodecad @ 26.594702
18 Murcia_1000 Genomes @ 26.697083
19 Baleares_1000 Genomes @ 27.531527
20 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 27.616383
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Tuscan_HGDP +50% Colombian @ 3.314758
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% TSI30_Metspalu +25% Ecuadorian +25% CLM30 @ 1.116600
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 C_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 0.800123
2 O_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 0.899704
3 O_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + MEX30 + Colombian @ 0.936565
4 O_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + MEX30 + Colombian @ 0.949252
5 C_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + MEX30 + Colombian @ 0.957507
6 Bedouin_HGDP + Lithuanians + PEL30 + Cantabria_1000 Genomes @ 1.011002
7 O_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 1.041013
8 Bedouin_HGDP + Lithuanians + PEL30 + Aragon_1000 Genomes @ 1.064755
9 TSI30_Metspalu + TSI30_Metspalu + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 1.116600
10 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + French_Basque + Jordanians_Behar + PEL30 @ 1.136127
11 Lithuanian_Dodecad + Bedouin_HGDP + PEL30 + Cantabria_1000 Genomes @ 1.164787
12 C_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 1.181723
13 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Jordanians_Behar + PEL30 + Pais_Vasco_1000 Genomes @ 1.188013
14 Greek_Dodecad + Ecuadorian + CLM30 + Baleares_1000 Genomes @ 1.190900
15 Bedouin_HGDP + Lithuanians + PEL30 + Valencia_1000 Genomes @ 1.195273
16 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + French_Basque + Palestinian_HGDP + PEL30 @ 1.195397
17 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Palestinian_HGDP + PEL30 + Pais_Vasco_1000 Genomes @ 1.204057
18 Spanish_Dodecad + Bedouin_HGDP + Lithuanians + PEL30 @ 1.204406
19 C_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + MEX30 + Colombian @ 1.204730
20 French_Dodecad + S_Italian_Dodecad + MEX30 + Colombian @ 1.214636

markod
16-04-19, 17:01
Allright, Schiffels, Haak et al (2016). They are Saxon in a British context, but would they fit the Northern Germans? The first Saxons from the Elbe region had occupied Brittan around 442 CE. Other persons and groups arrived later. Maybe exactly these Hinxton samples would better fit later immigrants from Norway that had presence up to Finland?

I think they likely won't fit any West Germanics or even most Danes and Swedes for that matter - you can try.

I find it more likely that North Germans have additional ancestry that differentiates them from Anglo-Saxons.

Angela
16-04-19, 17:28
Yes, Angela. Dodecad World 9 must be the Gedmatch calculator that best fits my particular case. The comparison of 4 populations is surprising ... it almost seems to describe my grandparents ...
World9 4-Ancestors Oracle
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 41.73
2 Southern 23.35
3 Amerindian 19.32
4 Caucasus_Gedrosia 11.48
5 African 3.30
Finished reading population data. 250 populations found.
9 components mode.
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 CLM30 @ 11.135666
2 PUR30 @ 14.176372
3 Brazilian_Dodecad @ 19.835594
4 Colombian @ 19.978254
5 Puerto_Rican @ 21.030418
6 AthabaskHD4 @ 22.808693
7 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 23.451502
8 Tuscan_HGDP @ 23.481766
9 TSI30_Metspalu @ 23.623112
10 Romanians_Behar @ 24.122519
11 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 24.367926
12 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 24.651161
13 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 25.105938
14 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 25.364521
15 North_Italian_HGDP @ 25.401751
16 Canarias_1000 Genomes @ 26.151405
17 Greek_Dodecad @ 26.594702
18 Murcia_1000 Genomes @ 26.697083
19 Baleares_1000 Genomes @ 27.531527
20 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 27.616383
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Tuscan_HGDP +50% Colombian @ 3.314758
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% TSI30_Metspalu +25% Ecuadorian +25% CLM30 @ 1.116600
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 C_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 0.800123
2 O_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 0.899704
3 O_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + MEX30 + Colombian @ 0.936565
4 O_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + MEX30 + Colombian @ 0.949252
5 C_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + MEX30 + Colombian @ 0.957507
6 Bedouin_HGDP + Lithuanians + PEL30 + Cantabria_1000 Genomes @ 1.011002
7 O_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 1.041013
8 Bedouin_HGDP + Lithuanians + PEL30 + Aragon_1000 Genomes @ 1.064755
9 TSI30_Metspalu + TSI30_Metspalu + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 1.116600
10 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + French_Basque + Jordanians_Behar + PEL30 @ 1.136127
11 Lithuanian_Dodecad + Bedouin_HGDP + PEL30 + Cantabria_1000 Genomes @ 1.164787
12 C_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + Ecuadorian + CLM30 @ 1.181723
13 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Jordanians_Behar + PEL30 + Pais_Vasco_1000 Genomes @ 1.188013
14 Greek_Dodecad + Ecuadorian + CLM30 + Baleares_1000 Genomes @ 1.190900
15 Bedouin_HGDP + Lithuanians + PEL30 + Valencia_1000 Genomes @ 1.195273
16 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + French_Basque + Palestinian_HGDP + PEL30 @ 1.195397
17 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad + Palestinian_HGDP + PEL30 + Pais_Vasco_1000 Genomes @ 1.204057
18 Spanish_Dodecad + Bedouin_HGDP + Lithuanians + PEL30 @ 1.204406
19 C_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + MEX30 + Colombian @ 1.204730
20 French_Dodecad + S_Italian_Dodecad + MEX30 + Colombian @ 1.214636

He always got the closest where Southern Europeans are concerned. Quite impressive. Much better than the junk results from some other calculators. Fwiw, I'm not part of the reference samples since I'm "mixed".

matty74
16-04-19, 18:35
It’s my understanding that the Saxons as we know them are a mixed conglomeration of Northern German tribes. How did they compare with the earlier people’s that migrated to the British Isles?

Jovialis
16-04-19, 19:07
The FAQ’s detail there significance as follows:

‘Blue dots link to a clearly defined set of ancient peoples. Red dots refer to ancient samples where identity is difficult to determine based on archaelogical evidence.
Faded dots mean distant connection, brighter dots mean very close DNA distance to you’.

It is difficult to work out whether dots that overlap are faded or not. I’ve also noticed that a blue Saxon 700AD reference appears in all of my premium maps but not in the corresponding archaeological maps.

I’ve also noticed that on some maps, the circle for a given sample (such as Celtic/Viking Iceland 1000AD, for example), is the same size on all of my maps, but is larger on all of my mum’s maps (with two differing sizes being used depending upon the raw data sample).


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https://i.imgur.com/Uho3l3u.png

I've received this e-mail. It is in regards to the question of why some dots do not show up in the full archaeological map, but they do in the premium; and vise versa.

Thus, you can consider all of the dots you get across your maps together as your results.

Nevertheless, they should probably make one interactive map that you can zoom in on, to look at all of the samples imo. At least for the full map.

markod
16-04-19, 19:08
It’s my understanding that the Saxons as we know them are a mixed conglomeration of Northern German tribes. How did they compare with the earlier people’s that migrated to the British Isles?

Actually a good survey of northern European populations hasn't been done yet. Some amateurs have tried but the results are non-sensical.

Looking at PCA plots my impression is that Fenno-Scandian populations have picked up additional EHG ancestry independent of Corded Ware. In the Sami this is quite obvious. Published models thus aren't detailed enough to discern this however.

As for the these Anglo-Saxons they look very much Scandinavian.

Salento
16-04-19, 19:39
https://i.imgur.com/Uho3l3u.png
I've received this e-mail. It is in regards to the question of why some dots do not show up in the full archaeological map, but they do in the premium; and vise versa.
Thus, you can consider all of the dots you get across your maps together as your results.
Nevertheless, they should probably make one interactive map that you can zoom in on, to look at all of the samples imo. At least for the full map.

There’s a good chance that the 1600 BC Illyrian (:thinking: Sample 14332) is closely related to the Iapygians. :)

https://i.imgur.com/c5Xd4or.jpg

Johane Derite
16-04-19, 20:58
The North Italian like results make sense to be honest. The Venetic languages for a while were considered Illyrian, until they were discovered to be Italic.

The oldest attested Illyrians (as Illyrians) are the Taulanti, around Durres, Albania. After that its the Enchelea, around lake ohrid. Otherwise Dardanians are attested way earlier than Illyrians, and are generally considered
Illyrian desite being attested before the word Illyrian. All these, are quite south of the Illyrian sample we have, so we should expect that the Dalmatian-Pannonian zone falls in a cline in between Italic Venetic speakers, and Illyrian (proper).



https://i.imgur.com/NRWRJF8.jpg

Jovialis
16-04-19, 21:40
I do think the Illyrian we get in Puglia is attributed to the Iapgyian tribes.

https://i.imgur.com/DmvVBJf.png

markod
16-04-19, 21:47
The North Italian like results make sense to be honest. The Venetic languages for a while were considered Illyrian, until they were discovered to be Italic.

The oldest attested Illyrians (as Illyrians) are the Taulanti, around Durres, Albania. After that its the Enchelea, around lake ohrid. Otherwise Dardanians are attested way earlier than Illyrians, and are generally considered
Illyrian desite being attested before the word Illyrian. All these, are quite south of the Illyrian sample we have, so we should expect that the Dalmatian-Pannonian zone falls in a cline in between Italic Venetic speakers, and Illyrian (proper).



We have a LBA sample from southern Montenegro. No cline, plots right with Spaniards.

matty74
16-04-19, 22:59
The Saxons seem to have significant North Germanic and, by extension, 'Finnish' ancestry, so it doesn't surprise me that they wouldn't show a particularly strong affinity to present-day British. I'd think that Orcadians might be an exception.

Would you care to expand on that?

Jovialis
17-04-19, 17:51
Here is a list of all the ancient samples they currently test for:

https://i.imgur.com/v5uAbCN.jpg

ajc347
18-04-19, 01:50
https://i.imgur.com/Uho3l3u.png

I've received this e-mail. It is in regards to the question of why some dots do not show up in the full archaeological map, but they do in the premium; and vise versa.

Thus, you can consider all of the dots you get across your maps together as your results.

Nevertheless, they should probably make one interactive map that you can zoom in on, to look at all of the samples imo. At least for the full map.

Thank you for taking the time to contact them and clarify the situation. [emoji846]


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matty74
18-04-19, 03:41
It looks like they've made some additions to the website and now I have more sites on my archaeological map.

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
4. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
5. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
6. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/1028)
7. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
8. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown
9. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
10. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
12. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
13. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
14. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
15. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
16. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
17. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
18. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
19. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
20. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/archaicdna.blogspot.com)
21. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (8.208) - Shohola (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2018/05/30/360.6392.1024.DC1/aar6851_Scheib_SM.pdf)
22. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.313) - ALH_1 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
23. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.569) - 6DRIF-3 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
24. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (8.625) - DA119 (http://www.zbsa.eu/research/poprad?set_language=en)
25. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.781) - Sigtuna grt035 (https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(18)30844-3)
26. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.802) - SZ7 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
27. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.85) - SZ22 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
28. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (8.853) - Hinxton 1 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
29. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.935) - Sigtuna stg021 (https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(18)30844-3)
30. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.941) - SZ23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
31. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (9.008) - ALH_10 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
32. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.114) - SZ8 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
33. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (9.485) - SZ38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
34. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (9.594) - Rise577 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
35. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) (9.62) - I0112 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/013433v1)
36. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (9.788) - Hinxton HS1 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
37. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.91) - SZ9 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
38. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (9.952) - Rise61 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
39. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.13) - CL93 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
40. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (10.43) - SZ16 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
41. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.6) - 3DRIF-16 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
42. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (10.7) - SZ11 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
43. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.81) - CL151 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
44. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.82) - 6DRIF-21 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
45. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (11.2) - Rise150 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
46. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.21) - SZ2 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
47. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (11.25) - Sigtuna 84001 (https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(18)30844-3)
48. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (11.32) - BIM_33 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
49. Ireland Copper Age (1635 BC) (11.33) - Rathlin3 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/archaicdna.blogspot.com)
50. Bronze Age Germany (1050 BC) (11.35) - I0099 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2015/02/10/013433)
51. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.59) - SZ24 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
52. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.9) - SZ13 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
53. Bronze Age Netherlands (1775 BC) (11.92) - I4071
54. Early Viking Sweden (500 AD) (12.08) - Rise174 Oxie7 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
55. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (12.11) - Hinxton3 HS2 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
56. Alemannic Bavaria (425 AD) (12.17) - STR_316 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
57. Bronze Age Jutland Denmark (1400 BC) (12.45) - Rise47 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
58. Bell Beaker Germany (2250 BC) (12.51) - I0806 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/013433v1)
59. Ireland Copper Age (1950 BC) (12.78) - Rathlin1 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/archaicdna.blogspot.com)
60. Viking Iceland P109 (935 AD) (12.78) - SVK-A1 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/1028)

Duarte
18-04-19, 13:10
It looks like they've made some additions to the website and now I have more sites on my archaeological map.

Yes it's true. Previously they related the ancient samples that came close to the distance of 20. Now they relate the ancient samples that came close near the distance of 30.
https://i.imgur.com/52h37mV.png
https://i.imgur.com/f9MUzSe.png
https://i.imgur.com/ijW6bgg.png
https://i.imgur.com/bzkdzLY.png

Jovialis
18-04-19, 13:32
https://i.imgur.com/KMkQhH1.png

Here's my updated results, the maps are the same. This is using AncestryDNA raw data.

https://i.imgur.com/0kjRUYi.png

Jovialis
18-04-19, 13:54
https://i.imgur.com/KMkQhH1.png

Here's my updated results, the maps are the same. This is using AncestryDNA raw data.

https://i.imgur.com/0kjRUYi.png

https://i.imgur.com/jo7zECc.png
https://i.imgur.com/wkLhNJR.png

These were my original results using the same raw data. Seems like they've extended the list they show users from 20 to 60. Nevertheless, my results are still the same for the Ancient Population, but only marginally different in the Ancient Samples list.

Stuvanè
18-04-19, 14:15
I also received some updates on the reference samples, but I stop at the first 40 (I paid only a first level upgrade):

1. Central Roman (590 AD) (6.538)
2. Central Roman (590 AD) (7.299)
3. Central Roman (670 AD) (8.839)
4. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (8.938)
5. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (11.0)
6. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (11.39)
7. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (11.77)
8. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.78)
9. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (14.48)
10. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (15.0)
11. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (15.81)
12. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (16.55)
13. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (16.57)
14. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (16.58)
15. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (16.58)
16. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (18.63)
17. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (18.91)
18. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (19.21)
19. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (20.74)
20. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (21.26)
21. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (21.27)
22. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (21.53)
23. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (22.03)
24. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (22.3)
25. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (22.54)
26. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) (22.55)
27. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (22.58)
28. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (22.74)
29. Crete Armenoi (1370 BC) (23.37)
30. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (23.94)
31. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (24.15)
32. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (24.69)
33. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (25.34)
34. Bronze Age Armenia (1500 BC) (26.07)
35. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (26.33)
36. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (26.76)
37. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (27.1)
38. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) (27.61)
39. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (27.98)
40. Trypillia (3500 BC) (28.47)

td120
18-04-19, 14:17
Another Bulgarian result,ancestry from the Central Balkan Mountain range(no recent migrations), Y-dna R-PF7563. Not very different than other Bulgarians:

Gaul + Hellenic Roman (11.94)
Gaul + Roman (13.37)
Roman (13.77)
Hellenic Roman (17.33)
Gaul (17.62)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.77)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.87)
3. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (16.75)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (17.04)
5. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (17.33)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (17.62)
7. Central Roman (670 AD) (17.66)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (18.41)
9. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (18.88)
10. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (18.88)
11. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (19.23)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.6)
13. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (19.62)
14. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.3)
15. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (20.83)
16. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.89)
17. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (21.03)
18. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (22.18)
19. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (22.39)
20. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (22.39)

Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. Macedonian (5.896)
2. Greek_Thessaly (7.746)
3. Bulgarian (8.251)
4. Romanian (8.490)
5. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account

Salento
18-04-19, 16:52
Ancestry :


1. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.64) - SZ36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
2. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (11.98) - SZ40 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
3. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (12.52) - CL121 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
4. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (12.6) - SZ19 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
5. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (13.8) - I9041 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
6. Central Roman (590 AD) (14.09) - SZ43 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
7. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (14.19) - CL30 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
8. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (15.43) - CL25 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
9. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) (15.91) - MA2208 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6396/eaar7711)
10. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (16.07) - CL38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
11. Central Roman (590 AD) (16.14) - SZ32 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
12. Central Roman (670 AD) (16.73) - CL36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
13. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (16.87) - I9010 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
14. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (17.11) - I9033 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
15. Minoan (2000 BC) (17.33) - I9129 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
16. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (18.39) - I9006 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
17. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (19.28) - Ker1
18. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) (20.11) - MA2206 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6396/eaar7711)
19. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) (20.42) - I4930
20. Minoan (2000 BC) (20.56) - I9005 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
21. Copper Age Anatolia (3800 BC) (20.81) - I0184
22. Minoan (2000 BC) (21.54) - I0071 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
23. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (22.78) - SZ28 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
24. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (23.21) - CL23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
25. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (23.26) - scy192 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457)
26. Minoan (2000 BC) (23.32) - I9130 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
27. Minoan (2000 BC) (23.34) - I0074 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
28. Minoan (2000 BC) (23.78) - I0070 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
29. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (23.85) - I4332 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
30. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (23.85) - I5769 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778)
31. Hittite Anatolia (1675 BC) (23.98) - MA2200 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6396/eaar7711)
32. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (25.37) - I3313 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
33. Bronze Age Armenia (1500 BC) (25.5) - Rise397
34. Minoan (2000 BC) (25.55) - I0073 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
35. Minoan (2000 BC) (26.01) - I9131 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
36. Samaritan (2000 AD) (26.59) - Unknown
37. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (27.06) - SZ45 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
38. Canaanite (1600 BC) (27.36) - ERS1790729 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/142448v1)
39. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (27.38) - SZ18 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
40. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (27.83) - Vim2
41. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (27.9) - CL57 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
42. Ancient Egypt (650 BC) (28.16) - JK2134 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694)
43. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (28.49) - CL94 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
44. Ottoman (1500 AD) (28.53) - MA2196
45. Canaanite (1600 BC) (28.54) - ERS1790732 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/142448v1)
46. Canaanite (1600 BC) (28.69) - ERS1790730 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/142448v1)
47. Trypillia (3500 BC) (29.09) - I1926
48. Crete Armenoi (1370 BC) (29.46) - I9123 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5565772/)
49. Copper Age Armenia (4000 BC) (29.58) - I1631
50. Canaanite (1650 BC) (29.81) - ERS1790733 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/142448v1)
51. Egyptian Gladiator York (250 AD) (29.97) - 3DRIF-26 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
52. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (30.13) - SZ5 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
53. Neolithic Greece (4000 BC) (30.28) - Klei10 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2015/11/25/032763)
54. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (30.52) - CL63 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
55. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (30.58) - DA199
56. Ancient Egypt (650 BC) (30.81) - JK2911 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694)
57. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (31.05) - CL53 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
58. Neolithic Anatolia (6300 BC) (31.18) - I0746
59. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (31.19) - CL47 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
60. Ancient Egypt (50 BC) (32.08) - JK2888 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694)



23andme v4

1. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (9.519) - SZ40 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
2. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.52) - SZ36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
3. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (13.24) - CL121 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
4. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (13.26) - CL38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
5. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.54) - SZ19 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
6. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (13.62) - CL30 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
7. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (14.73) - CL25 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
8. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (15.07) - I9041 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
9. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.17) - SZ43 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
10. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.19) - SZ32 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
11. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (15.26) - I9033 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
12. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (15.58) - I9010 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
13. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (16.16) - I9006 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
14. Central Roman (670 AD) (17.15) - CL36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
15. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) (17.36) - MA2208 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6396/eaar7711)
16. Minoan (2000 BC) (18.33) - I9129 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
17. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (18.82) - Ker1
18. Copper Age Anatolia (3800 BC) (19.79) - I0184
19. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) (20.23) - I4930
20. Minoan (2000 BC) (21.0) - I9005 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
21. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) (21.4) - MA2206 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6396/eaar7711)
22. Minoan (2000 BC) (21.59) - I0071 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
23. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (23.23) - I4332 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
24. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (23.23) - I5769 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778)
25. Hittite Anatolia (1675 BC) (23.31) - MA2200 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6396/eaar7711)
26. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (23.47) - scy192 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457)
27. Minoan (2000 BC) (23.62) - I9130 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
28. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (23.62) - SZ28 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
29. Minoan (2000 BC) (23.71) - I0070 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
30. Minoan (2000 BC) (23.82) - I0074 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
31. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (24.59) - CL23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
32. Bronze Age Armenia (1500 BC) (24.67) - Rise397
33. Minoan (2000 BC) (25.12) - I9131 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
34. Minoan (2000 BC) (26.05) - I0073 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
35. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (26.28) - I3313 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
36. Samaritan (2000 AD) (26.31) - Unknown
37. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (26.64) - SZ45 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
38. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (26.88) - SZ18 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
39. Canaanite (1600 BC) (27.27) - ERS1790730 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/142448v1)
40. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (27.56) - Vim2
41. Copper Age Armenia (4000 BC) (27.8) - I1631
42. Ottoman (1500 AD) (27.94) - MA2196
43. Canaanite (1600 BC) (28.11) - ERS1790729 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/142448v1)
44. Canaanite (1600 BC) (28.38) - ERS1790732 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/142448v1)
45. Trypillia (3500 BC) (28.56) - I1926
46. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (28.62) - CL57 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
47. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (28.62) - CL94 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
48. Ancient Egypt (650 BC) (29.25) - JK2134 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694)
49. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (29.56) - DA199
50. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (29.6) - SZ5 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
51. Canaanite (1650 BC) (29.64) - ERS1790733 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/142448v1)
52. Egyptian Gladiator York (250 AD) (29.7) - 3DRIF-26 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
53. Crete Armenoi (1370 BC) (29.81) - I9123 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5565772/)
54. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (30.01) - CL53 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
55. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (30.43) - CL47 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
56. Ancient Egypt (650 BC) (30.62) - JK2911 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694)
57. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (30.85) - CL63 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
58. Neolithic Greece (4000 BC) (31.1) - Klei10 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2015/11/25/032763)
59. Ancient Egypt (50 BC) (31.79) - JK2888 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694)
60. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (31.79) - CL102 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)

bigsnake49
18-04-19, 22:12
He always got the closest where Southern Europeans are concerned. Quite impressive. Much better than the junk results from some other calculators. Fwiw, I'm not part of the reference samples since I'm "mixed".

He, he...I don't know how but look at my Dodecad World 9 4 Population Oracle:

1 C_Italian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Hungarians_Behar + Aragon_1000 Genomes @ 0.000000
2 French_Basque + Ashkenazy_Jews + Georgians_Behar + Hungarians_Behar @ 0.000000
3 Tuscan_HGDP + Georgians_Behar + Hungarians_Behar + Andalucia_1000 Genomes @ 0.000000
4 Norwegian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP + Armenians_Behar @ 0.255895
5 Norwegian_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu + Armenians_Behar @ 0.255895
6 C_Italian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Hungarians_Behar + Cantabria_1000 Genomes @ 0.256120
7 Ashkenazy_Jews + Georgians_Behar + Hungarians_Behar + Pais_Vasco_1000 Genomes @ 0.267094
8 TSI30_Metspalu + Georgians_Behar + Hungarians_Behar + Andalucia_1000 Genomes @ 0.272253
9 Swedish_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP + Armenians_Behar @ 0.275250
10 Swedish_Dodecad + O_Italian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu + Armenians_Behar @ 0.275250
11 Bulgarian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + Georgia_Jews_Behar + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 0.300678
12 Armenian_Dodecad + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Hungarians_Behar + Baleares_1000 Genomes @ 0.325125
13 Sicilian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Hungarians_Behar + Pais_Vasco_1000 Genomes @ 0.374131
14 Bulgarian_Dodecad + Hungarians_Behar + Baleares_1000 Genomes + Armenians_Yunusbayev @ 0.374975
15 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Hungarians_Behar + Pais_Vasco_1000 Genomes @ 0.376819
16 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + French_Basque + Georgians_Behar + Hungarians_Behar @ 0.382176
17 Cypriots_Behar + Cypriots_Behar + Hungarians_Behar + Lithuanians @ 0.388678
18 Polish_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Pais_Vasco_1000 Genomes @ 0.394127
19 French_Dodecad + Adygei_HGDP + TSI30_Metspalu + TSI30_Metspalu @ 0.397314
20 Hungarians_Behar + Baleares_1000 Genomes + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Armenians_Yunusbayev @ 0.400000

Either a really good fit or an error.

matty74
19-04-19, 01:24
@Duarte, I agree. I’m just surprised that even at 60 links, I’m no more than a distance of 12. There must not be a ton of genetic differences between the northern oriented peoples. It’s interesting to see links dated as far back as 2400 BC as part of my ancestry. I’m not sure what they mean exactly though.

Duarte
19-04-19, 02:28
@Duarte, I agree. I’m just surprised that even at 60 links, I’m no more than a distance of 12. There must not be a ton of genetic differences between the norther oriented peoples. It’s interesting to see links dated as far back as 2400 BC as part of my ancestry. I’m not sure what they mean exactly though.
Hi matty,
These samples (Bell Beaker Germany - 2500 BC and 2250 BC; Corded Wire Denmark - 2450 BC) are from people of European’s Bronze Age:
https://i.imgur.com/0QGQnqW.jpg

mitty
20-04-19, 17:31
My True Ancestry, ancient:
Your European ancestral map...

https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=jj6vi3wd12


Ancient Populations (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-ancient1) Ancient Samples (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-sample1) Modern Populations (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-modern1) Medical Analysis (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-medical1)
Your closest Ancient populations...


https://mytrueancestry.com/img/Celt.jpgCelt

https://mytrueancestry.com/img/Gaul.jpgGaul



CeltsGaulsVikings


Celt + Gaul (2.518)
Viking + Gaul (3.281)
Celt (6.211)
Gaul (6.724)
Viking (6.936)

(https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)I am very close to Celts and Gauls! Not so close to Saxons.

Duarte
20-04-19, 18:15
My True Ancestry, ancient:
Your European ancestral map...

https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=jj6vi3wd12
Ancient Populations (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-ancient1) Ancient Samples (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-sample1) Modern Populations (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-modern1) Medical Analysis (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-medical1)
Your closest Ancient populations...


https://mytrueancestry.com/img/Celt.jpgCelt

https://mytrueancestry.com/img/Gaul.jpgGaul



CeltsGaulsVikings


Celt + Gaul (2.518)
Viking + Gaul (3.281)
Celt (6.211)
Gaul (6.724)
Viking (6.936)

(https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)I am very close to Celts and Gauls! Not so close to Saxons.






Hi mitty
The match with the Vikings is in line with your “Outer Hebridean” ancestry. Below, the map of the Vikings settlements in Britain:

https://i.imgur.com/kWSVNWw.png

Big Hug :)

kingjohn
20-04-19, 18:34
mine

Your closest Ancient populations...
https://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanSouth.jpgHellenic Roman

https://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanCentral.jpgRoman



Hellenic RomansRomansOstrogoths


Hellenic Roman + Roman (7.746)
Roman + Ostrogoth (9.53)
Hellenic Roman (11.51)
Roman (14.66)
Ostrogoth (14.77)


Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
1. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (11.51)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.95)
3. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (12.64)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.15)
5. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (14.43)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.66)
7. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (14.77)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (16.58)
9. Central Roman (590 AD) (16.71)
10. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (17.35)
11. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (17.89)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (17.96)
13. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) (18.66)
14. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (18.78)
15. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (18.89)
16. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.3)
17. Copper Age Anatolia (3800 BC) (20.13)
18. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (21.5)
19. Bronze Age Armenia (1500 BC) (21.68)
20. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (22.62)

mitty
20-04-19, 18:51
^^Thankyou, Duarte.

Yes, I do have quite a few Scottish surnames of viking origin - MacIver (Norse , meaning 'children of Ivarr), MacAskill (children of Askell) and Macleod (children of Lyotr). That last name 'Lyotr' means 'ugly':)

Also I have lots of ancestry from Yorkshire and Northern England. You cannot drive far around here without coming across Norse place names!

Duarte
20-04-19, 19:09
mine

Your closest Ancient populations...


https://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanSouth.jpgHellenic Roman

https://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanCentral.jpgRoman



Hellenic RomansRomansOstrogoths


Hellenic Roman + Roman (7.746)
Roman + Ostrogoth (9.53)
Hellenic Roman (11.51)
Roman (14.66)
Ostrogoth (14.77)


Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (11.51)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.95)
3. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (12.64)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.15)
5. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (14.43)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.66)
7. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (14.77)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (16.58)
9. Central Roman (590 AD) (16.71)
10. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (17.35)
11. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (17.89)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (17.96)
13. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) (18.66)
14. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (18.78)
15. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (18.89)
16. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.3)
17. Copper Age Anatolia (3800 BC) (20.13)
18. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (21.5)
19. Bronze Age Armenia (1500 BC) (21.68)
20. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (22.62)



Cool. A Greek-Roman Citizen. Congratulations and a big hug :)

Duarte
20-04-19, 19:10
^^Thankyou, Duarte.

Yes, I do have quite a few Scottish surnames of viking origin - MacIver (Norse , meaning 'children of Ivarr), MacAskill (children of Askell) and Macleod (children of Lyotr). That last name 'Lyotr' means 'ugly':)

Also I have lots of ancestry from Yorkshire and Northern England. You cannot drive far around here without coming across Norse place names!

^^ You’re welcome mitty :)

Kleci
20-04-19, 23:10
Hey I’m albanian and got gallo roman, I also got Ostrogoth, what is Ostrogoth?

Kleci
20-04-19, 23:14
My results,
Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

1. Central Roman (590 AD) (10.57)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.72)
3. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.77)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.2)
5. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (14.33)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (16.91)
7. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (17.8)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (17.86)
9. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (17.97)
10. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (18.54)
11. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (19.22)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.78)
13. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (19.83)
14. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.83)
15. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (19.9)
16. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.91)
17. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (20.2)
18. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.44)
19. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (20.55)
20. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (21.35)

Your closest ancient populations:
Roman (10.57)
Gallo-Roman + Hellenic Roman (10.77)
Hellenic Roman + Roman (11.62)
Hellenic Roman (14.33)
Gallo-Roman (17.8)

Your closest genetic modern populations...

1. Kosovan (4.393)
2. Greek (5.291)
3. Bulgarian (6.563)
4. Greek_Thessaly (8.273)
5. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account

Duarte
20-04-19, 23:42
Hey I’m albanian and got gallo roman, I also got Ostrogoth, what is Ostrogoth?

https://i.imgur.com/2Ao8zvQ.png


Originating from Scandinavia, the Goths of Eastern Europe were shattered when Attila and the Huns blasted onto the scene. The Gothic kingdom was split - those who crossed the Danube to enter the Roman Empire became the Visigoths. The Ostrogoths who remained in Dacia to face the Huns became their vassals. They migrated into the Roman province of Pannonia (modern day Hungary, Austria and Crotia) and fought with their Hunnic overlords against the Romans, Visigoths and their allies. When the Hunnic empire was defeated, the newly independent Ostrogoths remained in Pannonia. When the western Roman empire collapsed to the warlord Odoacer, the Byzantines looked to the Ostrogoth King Theodoric to reclaim Italy in 488 AD. After liberating Italy, the Byzantines treated Theodoric as an equal. Under Theodoric's rule, Italy flourished and Roman laws and customs continued under Ostrogothic rule, becoming the strongest in western Europe. In 535 AD after Theodoric's death, the Gothic war with Byzantium began and Emperor Justinian won ending the Ostrogothic kingdom.

Angela
21-04-19, 01:58
The "Ostrogoth" in the reference samples is closest to a Greek. There were a lot of Greeks in the Crimea and he was apparently one of the ones who got absorbed.

Stuvanè
21-04-19, 10:31
The "Ostrogoth" in the reference samples is closest to a Greek. There were a lot of Greeks in the Crimea and he was apparently one of the ones who got absorbed.

Correct. And one of the most famous cases in this regard was Wulfila, the bible's translator in the Gothic language, who was descended from Greeks of Cappadocia

Johane Derite
21-04-19, 12:12
Do you need to pay to do this?

Stuvanè
21-04-19, 12:41
Do you need to pay to do this?

The basic version is free. There are various paid upgrades that should prevent you from reloading the raw data each time and allowing you to have more detailed maps and complete lists of ancient samples

Duarte
21-04-19, 13:15
Do you need to pay to do this?

This is the post #1 of this thread and what contain all explanations :) Big Hug Johane.


Free upload and calculator. Just signup and upload. You can delete it after too. It compares you against a database of ancient samples and models you based on the closest matching populations. Here’s my results. Upgrades only show hidden matches. Doesn’t change the results. Blue dots are confirmed populations. The darker the closer you are. More faded more distant. Red are those where few samples for said population exist so not as conclusive.




https://i.postimg.cc/KcNzZrTL/tru1.png


https://i.postimg.cc/NF7bnCCd/TRU2.png


Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Central Roman (590 AD) (7.169)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.684)
3. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (11.61)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.27)
5. Central Roman (670 AD) (13.04)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.92)
7. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (13.96)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.09)
9. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (14.09)
10. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.39)
11. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (15.68)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (15.75)
13. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (15.96)
14. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (18.38)
15. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.67)
16. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.85)
17. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.02)
18. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.07)
19. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.31)
20. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.36)




Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. Greek_Thessaly (7.839)
2. Greek (9.494)
3. Tuscan (10.09)
4. Central_Greek (12.00)
5. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account

https://mytrueancestry.com/

Elizabeth60
21-04-19, 13:47
This is my result with map. It shows where some of the ancient samples were located.

http://i65.tinypic.com/16thsw.jpg


Viking + Celt (2.394)
Celt + Longobard (2.683)
Celt (2.906)
Longobard (5.414)
Viking (7.433)


Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (2.906) - VDP-A6
2. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (5.223) - 6DRIF-3
3. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (5.321) - Hinxton 4
4. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (5.383) - Unknown
5. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.414) - CL92
6. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.543) - SZ4
7. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.566) - I5383
8. Pict (670 AD) (5.996) - CL83
9. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.008) - SZ15
10. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (6.744) - AED_249
11. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (6.789) - ALH_10
12. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.148) - 6DRIF-23
13. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.172) - CL145
14. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (7.433) - Sigtuna stg021
15. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.817) - Hinxton HS3
16. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.146) - SZ12
17. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (8.171) - Rise150
18. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.209) - Rathlin2
19. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (8.612) - Shohola
20. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.633) - CL146
21. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.682) - SZ22
22. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (8.701) - Hinxton 1
23. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.733) - 6DRIF-21
24. Ireland Copper Age (1950 BC) (8.746) - Rathlin1
25. Viking Iceland P109 (935 AD) (8.746) - SVK-A1
26. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.81) - SZ38
27. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.855) - SZ2
28. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.882) - ALH_1
29. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.952) - SZ14
30. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.991) - 6DRIF-18
31. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (9.134) - NW_255
32. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) (9.318) - I0112
33. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (9.343) - SZ11
34. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (9.382) - Hinxton HS1
35. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (9.466) - 3DRIF-16
36. Early Viking Sweden (500 AD) (9.517) - Rise174 Oxie7
37. Bell Beaker Germany (2250 BC) (9.529) - I0806
38. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.533) - SZ7
39. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.703) - SZ9
40. Alemannic Bavaria (425 AD) (9.91) - STR_316
41. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (9.933) - SZ16
42. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (10.02) - Sigtuna grt035
43. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.35) - CL84
44. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.46) - CL151
45. Ireland Copper Age (1635 BC) (10.7) - Rathlin3
46. Estonia Iron Age (0 AD) (10.75) - Rise00
47. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (10.8) - I3875
48. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (10.8) - Sigtuna 84001
49. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (10.9) - Rise577
50. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (10.99) - SZ8
51. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (11.0) - SZ23
52. Bronze Age Netherlands (1775 BC) (11.07) - I4070
53. Bronze Age Germany (1050 BC) (11.16) - I0099
54. Celt / Hungary (590 AD) (11.69) - SZ42
55. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (11.71) - CL93
56. Bronze Age Jutland Denmark (1400 BC) (11.72) - Rise47
57. Eurasian Steppes Sintashta (2050 BC) (11.74) - Rise386
58. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (12.35) - 6DRIF-22
59. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (12.37) - BIM_33
60. Bronze Age Netherlands (1775 BC) (12.41) - I4071

O Neill
21-04-19, 18:53
Mine makes no sense to me at all.
Im French ? lol

Gaul (23.88)
Frank (23.88)
Gaul + Frank (23.88)

1. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (23.88)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (24.38)
3. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (24.68)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (24.99)
5. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (25.12)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (25.2)
7. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (25.34)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (25.4)
9. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (25.91)
10. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (25.93)
11. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (26.11)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (26.35)
13. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (26.37)
14. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (26.62)
15. Celt / Hungary (590 AD) (26.75)
16. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (26.81)
17. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (26.99)
18. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (27.21)
19. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (27.23)
20. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (27.43)

Regio X
21-04-19, 19:19
Mine makes no sense to me at all.
Im French ? lol
Gaul (23.88)
Frank (23.88)
Gaul + Frank (23.88)
1. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (23.88)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (24.38)
3. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (24.68)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (24.99)
5. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (25.12)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (25.2)
7. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (25.34)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (25.4)
9. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (25.91)
10. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (25.93)
11. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (26.11)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (26.35)
13. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (26.37)
14. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (26.62)
15. Celt / Hungary (590 AD) (26.75)
16. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (26.81)
17. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (26.99)
18. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (27.21)
19. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (27.23)
20. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (27.43)
You also need to observe the distances, not just the "ranking" itself.

Johane Derite
21-04-19, 19:36
This is the post #1 of this thread and what contain all explanations


The basic version is free. There are various paid upgrades that should prevent you from reloading the raw data each time and allowing you to have more detailed maps and complete lists of ancient samples


Right, thanks. Dunno how i missed that. The hidden population things are quite annoying.

This is mine:

https://i.imgur.com/fVMknSI.jpg

TardisBlue
21-04-19, 20:15
You also need to observe the distances, not just the "ranking" itself.

Yes, 23.88 as your "closest" match is still a wide genetic distance. According to MyTrueAncestry, a genetic distance of 20 means those populations are merely part of your ancestral link (while a distance of 10 means this is your ancient ancestry).

zanipolo
21-04-19, 21:13
https://i.postimg.cc/L5gw1c4d/gallo-roman.png (https://postimg.cc/kR9Trhtw)

https://i.postimg.cc/1z2vrvqq/truancient.png (https://postimages.org/)

Duarte
21-04-19, 22:05
Right, thanks. Dunno how i missed that. The hidden population things are quite annoying.

This is mine:



Yes, Johane, it is indeed annoying not to see the hidden populations. But to unlock these populations and see the complete archaeological map and display of 60 ancient samples with their respective numbers, we have to pay. I do not remember the value, but you can see there in the site. I believe it's USD 68 or next this.
Big hug :)

Angela
21-04-19, 22:57
Mine makes no sense to me at all.
Im French ? lol

Gaul (23.88)
Frank (23.88)
Gaul + Frank (23.88)

1. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (23.88)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (24.38)
3. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (24.68)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (24.99)
5. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (25.12)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (25.2)
7. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (25.34)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (25.4)
9. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (25.91)
10. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (25.93)
11. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (26.11)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (26.35)
13. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (26.37)
14. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (26.62)
15. Celt / Hungary (590 AD) (26.75)
16. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (26.81)
17. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (26.99)
18. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (27.21)
19. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (27.23)
20. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (27.43)



Are you European?

Distances like that as your closest is strange. Perhaps you should ask them to re-run it.

Jovialis
22-04-19, 04:34
https://i.imgur.com/TTxLv0r.png

This is my Full Archaeological map updated, now showing all of my dots at once. Only the combined raw data file presents all of them on the same map.

https://i.imgur.com/1xQ24MW.png

Salento
22-04-19, 07:54
https://i.imgur.com/TTxLv0r.png

This is my Full Archaeological map updated, now showing all of my dots at once. Only the combined raw data file presents all of them on the same map.

https://i.imgur.com/1xQ24MW.png


Combined (23 v5, Liv, Anc, NG H):
https://i.imgur.com/oZUQV7p.jpg


23 v4:
https://i.imgur.com/4rFIfRE.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/xNV4Nuw.jpg

Duarte
22-04-19, 13:50
It seems that, in my case, practically all the samples of the ancestral populations are concentrated in the center-east of Europe. Nothing above latitude "Velké Přílepy (Czechia) - 50 ° 9'37" N", nothing below latitude “Dubrovnik (Croatia) - 42 ° 38'25" N" and nothing east of longitude "Tiraspol (Moldova) - 29 ° 38'36”E “.

https://i.imgur.com/ErzH2vx.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/HTrQ5a2.jpg
This fact causes me surprise because it seems to be in line with this:
MDLP K23b Oracle results:MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 1

https://i.imgur.com/Xsi0ade.png