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Angela
12-04-19, 18:22
1.http://www.gilliankirkwood.com/ercn86/uploaded_images/KYLIEWALKERAPR08HD1-733902.JPG

2.https://i.imgur.com/8XFIXeR.png

3.https://i.imgur.com/eh6KNP6.png



4.https://i.imgur.com/BaZyMkX.jpg

5.https://i.imgur.com/mexJiWa.png

6.https://i.imgur.com/O5ZHQuB.png

Joey37
12-04-19, 18:32
1: Icelandic
2: Romanian
3: Slovenian
4: Italian
5: English
6: French

hrvat22
12-04-19, 18:41
1. Denmark
2. Spanish
3. English
4. France
5. Switzerland
6. Italy

paul333
12-04-19, 20:19
1 Scottish
2 Irish
3 Greek
4 Italian
5 English
6 Irish

davef
12-04-19, 20:37
1. Irish
2. Tricky...Eastern European?
3. German
4. Swiss
5. German
6. Italian

Angela
12-04-19, 21:42
I won't reveal until we have some more.

One person got one right. Two are sort of right.

ToBeOrNotToBe
12-04-19, 22:03
Irish or something quirky like a Finn/Udmurt,

Ukrainian (broadly something NW of Black Sea though perhaps even edging towards f.e. Southern Poland),

Czechoslovak,

Western British Isles/French/N. Spanish (very hard to tell, she’s just a good-looking brunette),

English,

Northern Italian (this one could fit in so many places along a belt from most of France and the Alpine areas of Central Europe and across Southern Eastern Europe including Southern Russia)

Angela
12-04-19, 22:31
Irish or something quirky like a Finn/Udmurt, Ukrainian (broadly something NW of Black Sea though perhaps even edging towards f.e. Southern Poland), Czechoslovak, Western British Isles/French/N. Spanish (very hard to tell, she’s just a good-looking brunette), English, Northern Italian (this one could fit in so many places along a belt from most of France and the Alpine areas of Central Europe and across Southern Eastern Europe including Southern Russia)

Sorry, can't tell who is who, and you only have five? Could you number them?

ToBeOrNotToBe
12-04-19, 22:54
Edited it into paragrapgs

td120
12-04-19, 23:19
1.Scando-Brit
2.French
3.Spanish
4.Italian
5.Czech;Slovak(something very German there too)
6.Italian

Yetos
12-04-19, 23:31
1 Netherlands (Ireland)

2 Romania (Yugoslavia)

3 Greece (Bulgaria-Turkey)

4 Italy

5 Germany (Poland -Czeck)

6 Some West Europe

Nik
13-04-19, 01:39
1. Belgian/Dutch
2. Spanish
3. British
4. Swiss/French
5. German
6. Italian

Carlos
13-04-19, 04:47
1 France
2 Ireland
3 Belgium
4 Slovakia
5 Spain
6 Greece

Angela
13-04-19, 17:20
Anyone else want to give it a try? One person got three correct if I allow approximately correct answers. :)

mitty
13-04-19, 18:07
1. Irish
2. French
3. Slovenian
4. Scottish
5. Dutch
6. English

Angela
13-04-19, 18:25
1. Irish
2. French
3. Slovenian
4. Scottish
5. Dutch
6. English

I'll give you three. :)

Carlos: 1

Nik: 1

Yetos: 1

td120: 1

ToBe: 2

Davef: 1

Paul: 3 if I'm generous :)

Hrvat: 0

Joey: 0

I didn't think it would be this hard. Only 1 is a joke/trick.

I'll wait a while to see if there are any more guesses and then I'll reveal.

Duarte
13-04-19, 18:46
1. Irish;
2. Spaniard;
3. Italian;
4. English;
5. German;
6. French
:)

Angela
13-04-19, 22:22
Ok, I'll reveal:

1,2, and 3 are Welsh. If you listed one of the Celtic fringe countries I think you can count that as a win. Two and three are from a Welsh tv series I watched two weeks ago through amazon/acorn called "Keeping Faith". It's quite good, well acted and well plotted. Another one is called "Hidden". Honestly, it was well done, but so damn gloomy and depressing: weather, lighting, people, situations. I'm susceptible to being influenced by what I see, so it was a bad decision.

Lowry Palfrey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DV7zgFtWAAA5VIS.jpg

Bradley Freegard and Eva Miles, who played the lead in bleached blonde hair.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtyPH3dWcAA7DaC.jpg

I haven't seen their 23andme results, but it's a completely Welsh production, and they were born in little Welsh towns.

4 and 6 are both Irish actresses from an Irish police procedural also on acorn. Not "as" depressing as "Hidden" above, but pretty "dark". I do get why so many people said Italian for number four. I thought she might be as well. In fact, she looks like me. :) However, I looked her up and she is indeed of Irish descent.


Natalie Radmall Quirke:
http://static.wixstatic.com/media/45bd1c_b71aca3113144d70bca545070d1ff58f~mv2.png_sr z_380_510_85_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_png_srz




Maria Kennedy Doyle:
https://celebmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/maria-doyle-kennedy-orphan-black-presentation-at-paleyfest-la-in-los-angeles-3-23-2017-5.jpg

She's also a folk singer, with quite a discography, and played Catherine of Aragon in the Tudors. Decent accent work, I think. Of course, the real Catherine had reddish hair, which I think is difficult for Anglos to visualize. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzobprD6zH8

People from Britain got more of these right because they're familiar with the phenotypes in Britain.


Number 5 was the "tricky" one. She's my father's cousin, so Emilian from the Appennines. :)

Nik
13-04-19, 22:40
6.https://i.imgur.com/O5ZHQuB.png
This one must be an American mix

Edit: Just saw the results

Angela
13-04-19, 23:34
This one must be an American mix

Edit: Just saw the results

No, as I said, as Irish as they come. The British Isles members got it; they recognized the phenotypes.

Younger:
https://cdn.evoke.ie/2016/06/01170127/Maria-Doyle.jpg

davef
14-04-19, 03:49
I'll give you three. :)

Carlos: 1

Nik: 1

Yetos: 1

td120: 1

ToBe: 2

Davef: 1

Paul: 3 if I'm generous :)

Hrvat: 0

Joey: 0

I didn't think it would be this hard. Only 1 is a joke/trick.

I'll wait a while to see if there are any more guesses and then I'll reveal.
Uuughhh...1/6..we all failed :p. We seriously need tutoring sessions :)

TardisBlue
14-04-19, 12:03
No, as I said, as Irish as they come. The British Isles members got it; they recognized the phenotypes.

Younger:
https://cdn.evoke.ie/2016/06/01170127/Maria-Doyle.jpg

OMG, I didn't even recognize her on that 1st pic you posted. I've only seen her in the Commitments and period movies/series, but not in real life. I would have said Spanish.

Angela
14-04-19, 13:08
OMG, I didn't even recognize her on that 1st pic you posted. I've only seen her in the Commitments and period movies/series, but not in real life. I would have said Spanish.

The picture of her in the original post isn't actually from "real life". It's from the tv series I mentioned. It's called "Striking Out". The one of her as a young woman and the one at the award show are obviously from her private life.

As you can see, I'm rather addicted to "crime" dramas. :)

I'm a bit surprised these were that difficult. They weren't intended to be. Maybe it's because I've been surrounded by Irish people since we immigrated to the U.S. Well, and Southern Italians, and Ashkenazi Jews, and quite a few Germans too. You learn to distinguish them. :)

Carlos
14-04-19, 14:36
The 4, 5 and 6 are the ones that were most familiar to me, even the 4 I was about to say also Spain. The 5 was very familiar to me from one moment to another I had the perception that I could communicate in Spanish with her, her lips, her attitude and look were recognizable to me, despite the fact that it might seem simple German or similar.

davef
14-04-19, 15:34
The picture of her in the original post isn't actually from "real life". It's from the tv series I mentioned. It's called "Striking Out". The one of her as a young woman and the one at the award show are obviously from her private life.

As you can see, I'm rather addicted to "crime" dramas. :)

I'm a bit surprised these were that difficult. They weren't intended to be. Maybe it's because I've been surrounded by Irish people since we immigrated to the U.S. Well, and Southern Italians, and Ashkenazi Jews, and quite a few Germans too. You learn to distinguish them. :)
I actually found this one very difficult myself...I guess I'm not very familiar with certain northwestern european characteristics

Yetos
14-04-19, 17:24
Angela come on

No 5 is Italian?

come on,

Angela
14-04-19, 18:23
From looking at the pictures over and over again, I've realized, although I probably noticed it subconsciously from the beginning, that all of them except the man, and oddly, my cousin, have my nose to one degree or another: long, straight, narrow at the top but broader at the tip, and that includes the redhead.

In my area they call it a "French" nose. I don't know what that means exacty. Maybe it's a sort of nose that sometimes appeared in the Celts and is more common across the border in France? My impression has been that most of the Iberians don't have it, do they? Maybe they do. Anyway, I got it from my mother.

I know what you mean about my cousin. Yes, she had light hair and eyes, and a round face, although I think that was partly because, like some Emilians, she got heavy with age, but she has a very, to me, Italian "expression". I'll give you maybe Spanish as well. :) That's what sometimes gives away "nationality" to me. It's why, along with the general physical resemblance, I thought number 4 might be Italian or part Italian, and why I didn't think number 6 looked Italian at all. She has such a severe "resting" face, although she looks quite pleasant when she smiles. Anyway, thank God for my mother's fast metabolism, or I'd wind up looking like my cousin in old age, probably.

Angela
14-04-19, 19:48
Angela come on

No 5 is Italian?

come on,

Now I'm insulted "and" angry. I strike you as the kind of person who would lie about my family?

Dump your stereotypes and look at this Italian skier. See the hat? It says Parmigiano Reggiano. That's generally where he's from, and that's where my father's family is from, and my cousin Martina.

https://i.imgur.com/BqJd15y.jpg

Giuliano Razzano, Emilian. Is that Italian enough for you?

Cousin:


Cousin:


Young cousins:



Girl on the left:



If you can't see the resemblances you're blind.

Maybe you might want to take a look at this gallery I posted, too.
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/33332-People-of-the-Appennino-Parmense?highlight=Parmense

Or this one:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/30462-Native-phenotypes-of-Italian-villages-in-Eastern-Liguria-NW-Toscana?highlight=eastern+Liguria

It might stop you from being so stereotypical in your thinking. There are a variety of looks but the one we're discussing is among them. It's not common, but it's not rare either.

Yetos
14-04-19, 20:32
Angela

Don't pissed off.

The phainotype of 5 is not even Meditterean mixed
Ok she is your cousin, she is Italian nationality and nativity,
but I do not think is Italian phainotype,
Here in North Greece such phainotype is not unusual, about 1/10 to 1/5 according area and tribes
but come on, not at all Neditterenean,

Sorry, I do not mean to offend but she could pass as sister of Mercel :innocent:


:grin: plz don't shoot me,

italouruguayan
14-04-19, 20:37
Stereotypes are very difficult to combat ...
During my childhood, my concept of "Italians", knowing my grandfather and his friends and family, all of the Veneto, was: people of medium or high stature, with pale skin, many of light eyes and light hair.
Later, through the American movies and TV series, I " learned" that the Italians "should be" of short stature, light brown skin, dark eyes and dark hair ...

Angela
14-04-19, 21:12
Angela

Don't pissed off.

The phainotype of 5 is not even Meditterean mixed
Ok she is your cousin, she is Italian nationality and nativity,
but I do not think is Italian phainotype,
Here in North Greece such phainotype is not unusual, about 1/10 to 1/5 according area and tribes
but come on, not at all Neditterenean,

Sorry, I do not mean to offend but she could pass as sister of Mercel :innocent:


:grin: plz don't shoot me,

Did you bother to look at the people in the thread about the Appennino Parmense? As Moesan pointed out, a lot of them look more "continental" than "Mediterranean". That doesn't mean they're not completely Italian, and with the genetic scores to prove it.

You say that perhaps 10% of the people in your area have that phenotype, but you can't believe the same is true in northern Italy????

Indeed, in some areas it's up to 30%. We have more variety in Italy, not just in terms of genetics, but in terms of phenotypes, than any other country in Europe. Just look at the space we take up in a PCA.

I see I'm going to have to add to that gallery, and the one about the Lunigiana.

You wouldn't get pissed off if someone accused you of lying about your family? It's a good thing you weren't in front of me when I read it, Yetos. I could scare my husband when I was in a temper. I bet I could scare you. :) A good schiaffo would be the least of it.

Oh, and my cousin was prettier than Merkel ever was. Just look at the pictures of my younger cousins. The only difference was that she had lighter hair.
http://www.spletnik.ru/img/__post/3e/3e6342e32a335ffd5297f0a419d524c2_704.gif

Actually, in some pictures, she could have passed quite well in places in Northern Italy.

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/560/media/images/69931000/jpg/_69931452_youngmerkel.jpg

@italo,
Thank you. At least someone gets it. :)

Angela
14-04-19, 21:58
Did you bother to look at the people in the thread about the Appennino Parmense? As Moesan pointed out, a lot of them look more "continental" than "Mediterranean". That doesn't mean they're not completely Italian, and with the genetic scores to prove it.

You say that perhaps 10% of the people in your area have that phenotype, but you can't believe the same is true in northern Italy????

Indeed, in some areas it's up to 30%. We have more variety in Italy, not just in terms of genetics, but in terms of phenotypes, than any other country in Europe. Just look at the space we take up in a PCA.

I see I'm going to have to add to that gallery, and the one about the Lunigiana.

You wouldn't get pissed off if someone accused you of lying about your family? It's a good thing you weren't in front of me when I read it, Yetos. I could scare my husband when I was in a temper. I bet I could scare you. :) A good schiaffo would be the least of it.

Oh, and my cousin was prettier than Merkel ever was. Just look at the pictures of my younger cousins. The only difference was that she had lighter hair.
http://www.spletnik.ru/img/__post/3e/3e6342e32a335ffd5297f0a419d524c2_704.gif

Actually, in some pictures, she could have passed quite well in places in Northern Italy.

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/560/media/images/69931000/jpg/_69931452_youngmerkel.jpg

@italo,
Thank you. At least someone gets it. :)

Another Welsh girl with that phenotype, and also a Lowry. :)
https://i.imgur.com/N6JeSsw.jpg

Clarice Van Hooten (Melisandre from Game of Thrones) has it too, although she's Dutch:
https://i.imgur.com/rRN2Yjw.jpg

An Italian approximation:

https://i.imgur.com/cY4JO6X.jpg

mitty
14-04-19, 22:28
I can't believe I didn't get no. 3, Bradley Freegard! I watched every episode of "Keeping Faith" - but he is older now than in the picture, with a fuller face. He is from south Wales, his wife Eve Myles (who played Faith) from south west Wales. He does look a lot like the Welsh girl in pic no. 3 above.

I do agree that it is not only looks, but facial expressions and mannerisms that tell you a person's ethnicity. My daughter lives in a very diverse part of a large city, but when I am there, I can tell the Brits simply by the way they walk. Whereas people from eastern Europe have a different gait and and a far more serious mien, although they are friendly enough once you get to know them.

Thing about the Welsh is they gesticulate a lot, far more than the English. To watch a group of Welshmen talking together, you could almost believe them to be Mediterranean!

05-05-19, 02:03
No, as I said, as Irish as they come. The British Isles members got it; they recognized the phenotypes.

Younger:
https://cdn.evoke.ie/2016/06/01170127/Maria-Doyle.jpg

Oh my, I loved her in The Commitments. Such a voice. I assumed she was a professional singer, not a professional actor. I rewatch that film several times a year.

05-05-19, 02:09
And . . . I assume everyone gets your point that you can't reliably identify nationality, or local ethnicity, through facial characteristics; Europe is just too much of a genetic mishmash. That was your point, wasn't it?

Angela
05-05-19, 02:56
And . . . I assume everyone gets your point that you can't reliably identify nationality, or local ethnicity, through facial characteristics; Europe is just too much of a genetic mishmash. That was your point, wasn't it?

That's indeed part of my point, and I wouldn't assume everyone accepts it.

Stereotypes in terms of phenotype are sometimes correct, but sometimes they're not. In terms of the people of the British Isles, a lot of Americans seem to think they're all blonde and blue eyed.

Mostly, though, it's just a fun game.

davef
05-05-19, 07:28
Im the same way. I've always assumed that these northwestern Europeans of Irish/British descent were mostly lighter skinned with blonde, dirty blonde or reddish hair until I've seen images of them on this site and so I stand corrected. Threads like this teach me quite a bit about Europeans and their various phenotypes.

TardisBlue
05-05-19, 11:11
Even if all that is said above is true, I sometimes wonder at the apparent ability of some people to successfully spot someone's nationality, maybe it has more to do with the "vibe" that emanates from someone than the actual phenotype?

Still strictly for fun, where do these peeps might come from?

1/

https://i.ibb.co/2PD9zkQ/MB.jpg

2/
https://i.ibb.co/3pv0wHb/GB.jpg

3/
https://i.ibb.co/Bf74d57/GL.jpg

4/
https://i.ibb.co/VJ7XWdb/FD.jpg

5/
https://i.ibb.co/X77BsxF/VJ.jpg

6/
https://i.ibb.co/dtnwJnf/MJ.jpg

7/
https://i.ibb.co/TB834C7/MiRaf.jpg

8/
https://i.ibb.co/Z6d1JR4/PB.jpg

td120
05-05-19, 13:21
MJ's ancestry (#6) was quite surprising I must admit ...

Well my first answer would be Italian (except for MJ)...but then I am not very good at this.

Angela
05-05-19, 16:47
They're tough!:)

l. British Isles-English I'd say.
2. I know who he is so I won't cheat. :)
3. Italian or French. I'll go with French.
4. Gives me a Nureyev vibe. Something eastern, maybe Russian or somewhere in the Soviet sphere?
5. Definitely not British Isles. She's not Italian or Spanish. So...French. She's just gorgeous, btw.
6. Northwest European, but not British Isles. She's from the continent somewhere, maybe nearby? I don't know, maybe the Netherlands or Belgium?
7.The man is English. Is the woman Italian?
8. Italian?

TardisBlue
05-05-19, 19:20
Angela, good calls for 3, 5, 7 (but only one of them… the other one is wayyyy off lol) and 8. Bravo :-) Because indeed, they are quite tough.
td120, indeed, 6 is quite surprising - who would have guessed?
I'll wait till tomorrow before revealing these charming people's respective ancestries and names… This is fun!

Angela
06-05-19, 19:06
Angela, good calls for 3, 5, 7 (but only one of them… the other one is wayyyy off lol) and 8. Bravo :-) Because indeed, they are quite tough.
td120, indeed, 6 is quite surprising - who would have guessed?
I'll wait till tomorrow before revealing these charming people's respective ancestries and names… This is fun!

Ah...I wondered about number 7. I almost said they were both British. Or maybe he's a very EEF looking Brit and they're both Italian. :)

I'm surprised number 1 isn't either English or Irish, and not just because of the clothes.

I thought he looked like him:
https://figmentums.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/themanfromuncle.jpg

If not, then maybe a Frenchman with an uncharacteristically bad taste in clothes. :)

TardisBlue
06-05-19, 19:47
Ah...I wondered about number 7. I almost said they were both British. Or maybe he's a very EEF looking Brit and they're both Italian. :)

Ah! They're my paternal grandparents, both from the Napoli district :-) If we want to nitpick, he wasn't born in Italy (she was), but the pedigree is full Campanian.


I'm surprised number 1 isn't either English or Irish, and not just because of the clothes.

Lol, please don't hate the clothes, the pic was taken in the 70's. It's my maternal uncle, French.
I always thought or heard that he looked Mediterranean, but one thing I've learnt from perusing this forum is that it's not the hair colour or skin tone that matter but the features, so I understand now why he may pass as British.

Now, on to the others:

1/ Scottish actor of Irish descent Gerard Butler (for those who didn't recognize him)

3/ French actor Gérard Lanvin in his youth. Born near Paris, from a Parisian family.

4/ François Duval - French actor from the 80's. I wasn't able to find out from which area of France he comes from. Mostly known for his role in the excellent French series La Chambre des Dames, based on a novel by the same name (unfortunately, the series is only available in French with no subtitles). The pic is a still from the series, which is set in Medieval France. I understand the Russian vibe!

5/ French actress Véronique Jannot in her youth. She was born in Haute-Savoie.

6/ French actress Marlène Jobert, mother of actress Eva Green. Her father is French (the Jobert surname is most common in North-Eastern France), her mother is Sefardi Jewish, from Algeria. I guess she takes after her father.

8/ French sculptor or Italian descent Paul Belmondo, father of actor Jean-Paul Belmondo. Paul's father was from Piedmont, his mother from Sicily. His maternal gm was famous Napolitan dancer Francesca Cerrito (thanks, Wikipedia).

Et voilà!

Angela
06-05-19, 21:21
Ah! They're my paternal grandparents, both from the Napoli district :-) If we want to nitpick, he wasn't born in Italy (she was), but the pedigree is full Campanian.



Lol, please don't hate the clothes, the pic was taken in the 70's. It's my maternal uncle, French.
I always thought or heard that he looked Mediterranean, but one thing I've learnt from perusing this forum is that it's not the hair colour or skin tone that matter but the features, so I understand now why he may pass as British.

Now, on to the others:

1/ Scottish actor of Irish descent Gerard Butler (for those who didn't recognize him)

3/ French actor Gérard Lanvin in his youth. Born near Paris, from a Parisian family.

4/ François Duval - French actor from the 80's. I wasn't able to find out from which area of France he comes from. Mostly known for his role in the excellent French series La Chambre des Dames, based on a novel by the same name (unfortunately, the series is only available in French with no subtitles). The pic is a still from the series, which is set in Medieval France. I understand the Russian vibe!

5/ French actress Véronique Jannot in her youth. She was born in Haute-Savoie.

6/ French actress Marlène Jobert, mother of actress Eva Green. Her father is French (the Jobert surname is most common in North-Eastern France), her mother is Sefardi Jewish, from Algeria. I guess she takes after her father.

8/ French sculptor or Italian descent Paul Belmondo, father of actor Jean-Paul Belmondo. Paul's father was from Piedmont, his mother from Sicily. His maternal gm was famous Napolitan dancer Francesca Cerrito (thanks, Wikipedia).

Et voilà!

3.5 out of seven. (I won't count Butler; I would have guessed him anyway).

I'm slipping. :)

Yeah, I would never have gotten number four. He just looks Russian to me.

Nureyev
https://nycdancestuff.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/rudy-portrait.jpg


Number six was really hard as well. I knew she was northwest European, but I thought more north of France.


One reason I knew number 8 was Italian?
Rosanno Brazzi
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fe/14/85/fe1485b379552e3f93ace538b07417dd--rossano-brazzi-composers.jpg

Gosh, my mom loved him. I did too. I watched all his old movies on television, although my favorite is "Summertime". That's when I fell in love with Venice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXH9FJMttzA&list=PLnknDfcrWBc81yJc_Rq7DF0U h54PObilg&index=2


Those kind of resemblances can lead you astray though. I do think your uncle looks like Robert Vaughn. :) ( I apologize for the comment about the clothes.)

Now I just looked him up and his mother's name was Claudel, a surname most common in France!

Those were very good, Tardis. Lots of diversity in France, as in Italy.

Regio X
07-05-19, 17:46
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