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bicicleur
06-06-19, 14:25
It is based on extant DNA.
I'm not keen on such studies, but some may have a special interest in it.
J-640 experineced as starlike expansion some 4.5 ka

https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z640/

https://www.academia.edu/39222183/Haplogroup_J-Z640_-_Genetic_Insight_into_the_Levantine_Bronze_Age?ema il_work_card=view-paper

Angela
06-06-19, 15:38
It is based on extant DNA.
I'm not keen on such studies, but some may have a special interest in it.
J-640 experineced as starlike expansion some 4.5 ka
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z640/
https://www.academia.edu/39222183/Haplogroup_J-Z640_-_Genetic_Insight_into_the_Levantine_Bronze_Age?ema il_work_card=view-paper

Interesting discussion about the origin being in Canaan, and the cluster in Sardinia, given the documented Phoenician/Carthaginian connection, is support for it, but it's all supposition. (The fact that this subclade is so rare in Sardinia rather undercuts the argument. It could have wandered in later.)

The presence in Iberia is connected to Jews if I understand them.

I don't understand the heat map cluster in Germany. Ashkenazi Jews?

I only skimmed the article, so keep that in mind. :)

https://i.imgur.com/tXmx5Rt.png

bicicleur
06-06-19, 16:14
the 4,5 ka starlike expansion predates the historical formation of the Jews, Canaan still belonged to Egypt at that type
so, it seems unlikely that all descendants of J-460 are Jews
judging from the heatmap, the place of that expansion does not seem Egypt, for those who still believe that the Jews fled from there

Angela
06-06-19, 16:54
the 4,5 ka starlike expansion predates the historical formation of the Jews, Canaan still belonged to Egypt at that type
so, it seems unlikely that all descendants of J-460 are Jews
judging from the heatmap, the place of that expansion does not seem Egypt, for those who still believe that the Jews fled from there

Yes, I know, but the populations are related. The paper goes into a long explanation about Iberia and which subclades of the subclade are "Jewish" and which "Iberian", although clearly the origin of all of it was the Bronze Age Levant in their opinion.

Interesting they don't talk about Italy at all. If anyone can, I would think Leon Kull knows everywhere it has shown up. There "is" J1 in Italy, so what subclade are they?