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Carlos
24-10-19, 11:18
E-BY7450


This is my dnaY haplogroup result of the BIG Y 700https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fOgotI44ldY/XbBRSEkuVEI/AAAAAAAABJ4/T9c6igkicy0pfSi0LG1_bLCnZLv_Zd37ACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BIGYV22MISUCURSAL.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ARnmuQhOefk/XbFaGjQtUnI/AAAAAAAABKg/wcfiMqPiNDgFti_22Ut1HFqGpMDpk1PdgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BIGYV22MISUCURSALm%25C3%25A1sgrandeSUCURSAL.JPEG
Right now we are a Dutchman and I



E1b1b1a1c*v22+

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qw_yQCZg3tQ/XbFda3x6AtI/AAAAAAAABKs/NyPJMFwUUP0DluIG8VYHyc8xjmnDPx4yQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/YDNAaNCESTRY.JPEG

I don't know but it seems old, maybe 3000 years or more.

Duarte
24-10-19, 14:23
E-BY7450


This is my dnaY haplogroup result of the BIG Y 700https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fOgotI44ldY/XbBRSEkuVEI/AAAAAAAABJ4/T9c6igkicy0pfSi0LG1_bLCnZLv_Zd37ACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BIGYV22MISUCURSAL.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ARnmuQhOefk/XbFaGjQtUnI/AAAAAAAABKg/wcfiMqPiNDgFti_22Ut1HFqGpMDpk1PdgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BIGYV22MISUCURSALm%25C3%25A1sgrandeSUCURSAL.JPEG
Right now we are a Dutchman and I



E1b1b1a1c*v22+

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qw_yQCZg3tQ/XbFda3x6AtI/AAAAAAAABKs/NyPJMFwUUP0DluIG8VYHyc8xjmnDPx4yQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/YDNAaNCESTRY.JPEG

I don't know but it seems old, maybe 3000 years or more.

Congratulations Carlos. I am expecting my Big Y results. They are expected to be ready in November this year.


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Carlos
24-10-19, 14:27
To Duarte

Thank you. It took me four and a half months to deliver the results; although I didn't mind, I was in no hurry.
They will be able to clone me in the future.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zrc56tVJ_7E/XbGZfCxD22I/AAAAAAAABK4/WG6SVKt-BoQYR1OdpM2eLyutdRGEN4_jgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/JakySpartacus7.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NsFdEaDmwRw/XbGZ9PcGR1I/AAAAAAAABLA/w_605MLri-Y7aqWCKoFP5jUme8jAoha0wCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/IMG_20190918_214557.jpg

Duarte
24-10-19, 14:37
To Duarte

Thank you. It took me four and a half months to deliver the results; although I didn't mind, I was in no hurry.
They will be able to clone me in the future.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zrc56tVJ_7E/XbGZfCxD22I/AAAAAAAABK4/WG6SVKt-BoQYR1OdpM2eLyutdRGEN4_jgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/JakySpartacus7.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NsFdEaDmwRw/XbGZ9PcGR1I/AAAAAAAABLA/w_605MLri-Y7aqWCKoFP5jUme8jAoha0wCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/IMG_20190918_214557.jpg

Now that they have our DNA samples stored in Gene by the Gene Texas Lab, they can create perfect clones for both of us. I don't know if that would be a good idea for me. Suddenly my "bad guy" side appears in this clone, LOL ;)


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Carlos
24-10-19, 14:39
I don't know if anyone would buy me lol

Jovialis
24-10-19, 15:02
To Duarte

Thank you. It took me four and a half months to deliver the results; although I didn't mind, I was in no hurry.
They will be able to clone me in the future.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zrc56tVJ_7E/XbGZfCxD22I/AAAAAAAABK4/WG6SVKt-BoQYR1OdpM2eLyutdRGEN4_jgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/JakySpartacus7.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NsFdEaDmwRw/XbGZ9PcGR1I/AAAAAAAABLA/w_605MLri-Y7aqWCKoFP5jUme8jAoha0wCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/IMG_20190918_214557.jpg

Looks cool, you have talent, Carlos!

Carlos
24-10-19, 15:05
^^
Thank you very much, very kind. I don't plan the result, I am surprised by the final result.

Duarte
24-10-19, 19:02
E-M521 (E1b1b1a1c) Found in Greece by Battaglia et al. 2008:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2947100/

https://i.imgur.com/Q7JMrSm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Gthma8s.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/akOuY1i.jpg


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Carlos
24-10-19, 19:24
E1b1b1a1c*V22+

Yesterday I uploaded the file to Yfull. It has a very strange system what charges the communication is cut, you are not registered on the page, there are three steps charges, you must send a notification, you pay and you receive it, I imagine it will be so.


A little bird told me that I have 3 possibilities with my new but old E-BY7450: Jewish, Arabic or early entry into Europe.

Duarte
27-10-19, 00:07
E-BY7450


This is my dnaY haplogroup result of the BIG Y 700https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fOgotI44ldY/XbBRSEkuVEI/AAAAAAAABJ4/T9c6igkicy0pfSi0LG1_bLCnZLv_Zd37ACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BIGYV22MISUCURSAL.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ARnmuQhOefk/XbFaGjQtUnI/AAAAAAAABKg/wcfiMqPiNDgFti_22Ut1HFqGpMDpk1PdgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BIGYV22MISUCURSALm%25C3%25A1sgrandeSUCURSAL.JPEG
Right now we are a Dutchman and I



E1b1b1a1c*v22+

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qw_yQCZg3tQ/XbFda3x6AtI/AAAAAAAABKs/NyPJMFwUUP0DluIG8VYHyc8xjmnDPx4yQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/YDNAaNCESTRY.JPEG

I don't know but it seems old, maybe 3000 years or more.

Dear friend @Carlos,

My Big Y 700 is complete. FTDNA's results displayed today:
R1b > M269 > L23 > L51 > P310 > L151 > P312 > DF27 > ZZ12 > ZZ19 > Z31644 > BY2285 > BY25634 > FGC35133

Big hug :good_job::smile:

Carlos
27-10-19, 01:35
Congratulations Duarte. Will you load them in Yfull?

Duarte
27-10-19, 01:42
Congratulations Duarte. Will you load them in Yfull?

Thank you Carlos. I uploaded it. I received an email saying that the data is being analyzed and if it is ok it will be processed. I haven't made the payment yet. I believe I will only have to pay if everything is ok. They ask for a .BAM file, but the FTDNA is .csv. Let's see how they handle it. I am waiting the return of them.


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Carlos
27-10-19, 02:16
Ah, well, I haven't received any reply from them.

Duarte
27-10-19, 02:20
Ah, well, I haven't received any reply from them.

This is the e-mail they sent to me:

https://i.imgur.com/aAQ5F5e.jpg


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Carlos
27-10-19, 02:25
I have not received anything. I have sent it again.

Duarte
27-10-19, 04:28
I have not received anything. I have sent it again.

Dear Carlos.
Sorry me the delay to this answer. I was preparing to sent it when I receive a call phone from a great friend mine from San Francisco, California, US. He communicated me that will spend the end year holidays with my family here in Belo Horizonte. I invited him to stay here with me in my home, but he said he's going to a hotel. I love him and his family. He is a great guy. We stayed talking in phone for more than one hour, LOL.

Backing to the topic, I adopted these steps: I downloaded the FTDNA data. I already had a Y-Full ID because I had previously uploaded mtDNA Full Sequence data file to Y-Full’s mitochondrial PhyloTree. The FTDNA’s excel data file (in .csv format) of “Big Y” has been archived on my PC. So, I uploaded it to my Google Drive, got a link, copied this link and pasted it into the Y-Full dialog box. You can not forget to mark the message by accepting the terms and conditions of Y-Full, otherwise the information is not sent.

Big hug:)


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Carlos
27-10-19, 05:31
Yes, just as I did and I was very surprised not to receive any response, I sent it again a few hours ago and I have not received any response either. Not that I'm in a hurry, but I was surprised.

Carlos
27-10-19, 13:09
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-D1wLHIG6GKc/XbV8MRxWGBI/AAAAAAAABLY/gm4po1DNysM2wYvxO-3oDEnX3nQ1kM0NwCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/bigyresult.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hgm5p1slnZk/XbV8QBpPM3I/AAAAAAAABLc/sRfRMoUzussbC35Jrp6oKRy2JmxsBc1KACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BIGYRAWDATAENGLISH.JPEG


Yes BAM appears on the Ftdna page


What I have done now is: "Share BAM" and then an address that I copied is generated and is direct with FamilyTreeDna.

Duarte
27-10-19, 13:27
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-D1wLHIG6GKc/XbV8MRxWGBI/AAAAAAAABLY/gm4po1DNysM2wYvxO-3oDEnX3nQ1kM0NwCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/bigyresult.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hgm5p1slnZk/XbV8QBpPM3I/AAAAAAAABLc/sRfRMoUzussbC35Jrp6oKRy2JmxsBc1KACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BIGYRAWDATAENGLISH.JPEG


Yes BAM appears on the Ftdna page


What I have done now is: "Share BAM" and then an address that I copied is generated and is direct with FamilyTreeDna.

Good morning Carlos. Nice. I did not know this procedure. Thank you very much. I will resend my Big Y results by following these steps. Very kind of you to share this information dear friend.


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Carlos
08-11-19, 16:05
I have a new results:

BY7450_BY7450*_YF66572 new

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5QuKLAtmHGw/XcV17EST9SI/AAAAAAAABQw/WpuQFaLiiAMNHSj5e80cFx4YqJodHQy9wCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/yf66572.JPEG

Duarte
08-11-19, 16:20
I have a new results:

BY7450_BY7450*_YF66572 new

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5QuKLAtmHGw/XcV17EST9SI/AAAAAAAABQw/WpuQFaLiiAMNHSj5e80cFx4YqJodHQy9wCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/yf66572.JPEG

Nice. It seems that Y-Full confirms your relashionship with a dutchman. The same happens with me and a spaniard :)

https://i.imgur.com/768cVZz.png

Carlos
09-11-19, 05:24
Yfull has given me E-BY7449_E-BY7449*_YF66572

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lUB3AS8EODY/XcYl3pp8pEI/AAAAAAAABRI/VsAlJSOzQwM_fowR1jgssBsQTZWtvM0owCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/E-BY7449OCUOTO.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EEQq74Wj6cQ/XcYrYAo2KeI/AAAAAAAABRU/IqSdWSAzqrQU72pnQGuyPjTMuRLY2fULgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/E-BY7449MEDIOcomplet.JPEG



https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WGboJ0cJIa4/XcYt31bfG-I/AAAAAAAABRg/dbRhAiLQuOIf0ABxAZixlOfcBJKDC5LGgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/MUNCHOSA%25C3%2591OS.JPEG

3900 BC

Duarte
09-11-19, 05:38
Yfull has given me E-BY7449_E-BY7449*_YF66572

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lUB3AS8EODY/XcYl3pp8pEI/AAAAAAAABRI/VsAlJSOzQwM_fowR1jgssBsQTZWtvM0owCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/E-BY7449OCUOTO.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EEQq74Wj6cQ/XcYrYAo2KeI/AAAAAAAABRU/IqSdWSAzqrQU72pnQGuyPjTMuRLY2fULgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/E-BY7449MEDIOcomplet.JPEG



https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WGboJ0cJIa4/XcYt31bfG-I/AAAAAAAABRg/dbRhAiLQuOIf0ABxAZixlOfcBJKDC5LGgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/MUNCHOSA%25C3%2591OS.JPEG

3900 years?

3900 BC is 3900 Before Christ. It’s the equivalent to 5919 ybp (nomeclature used by Y-Full), I.e. 5919 years before present (~ 6000 years age).


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Carlos
09-11-19, 23:03
It is still in process. As an appetizer I found that map. Some people have thought that it is probably from the Roman imperial era. I don't know that map where it came from, but there it is. It is good to contrast, it will look.


Now they are watching me the snp already when they have given them a good review I imagine that I will know something else.

Carlos
03-12-19, 19:28
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6dEdnI4jIB4/XeaZ3QzBIbI/AAAAAAAABpw/bMy23-7kKvstOppZrSH91pGn6DXZZ5aXgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/Image%2B1.jpg

Hi Duarte.


If you can lend me a hand and shed some light on this graphic. The yellow is me, it is still in process but until today it is the estimate.

Duarte
03-12-19, 23:53
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6dEdnI4jIB4/XeaZ3QzBIbI/AAAAAAAABpw/bMy23-7kKvstOppZrSH91pGn6DXZZ5aXgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/Image%2B1.jpg

Hi Duarte.


If you can lend me a hand and shed some light on this graphic. The yellow is me, it is still in process but until today it is the estimate.

Hi dear friend Carlos.


First of all is need to say that TMRCA it's defined as the time to most recent common ancestor (TMRCA) estimate and are given based on DNA test results and established mutation rates as practiced in genetic genealogy. Simply put, it would be the estimate average haplogroup age.


As I could not accurately visualize the numbers above the lines of your chart I will use my result as an example.

https://i.imgur.com/vtNw9ii.png


The dark (gray) line is my haplogroup's estimated average age (possibly born 3,700 years before the present, ie, 3,700 ybp).


The red line establishes an interval for possible average age of my haplogroup, which can range from 4600 ybp to 2900 ybp.


Cheers. :smile:

Carlos
05-12-19, 03:36
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6dEdnI4jIB4/XeaZ3QzBIbI/AAAAAAAABpw/bMy23-7kKvstOppZrSH91pGn6DXZZ5aXgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Image%2B1.jpg


Merci beaucoup


Let's see now if it looks clearer, I don't know why the hell it looks blurry.


Mine is BY7449 *, below there are two more subclades and there is a step where they come together as if it were a puzzle piece, I don't know who they are, but we must have something to do.


In the window (i) says: Ci95% 7100> <4700ybp for BY7449 *

10 years of struggle to conquer the truth and what your interior dictates against tidal wind and any forecast, wrong as can be seen. LOL

:innocent:

Duarte
05-12-19, 12:31
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6dEdnI4jIB4/XeaZ3QzBIbI/AAAAAAAABpw/bMy23-7kKvstOppZrSH91pGn6DXZZ5aXgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Image%2B1.jpg


Merci beaucoup


Let's see now if it looks clearer, I don't know why the hell it looks blurry.


Mine is BY7449 *, below there are two more subclades and there is a step where they come together as if it were a puzzle piece, I don't know who they are, but we must have something to do.


In the window (i) says: Ci95% 7100> <4700ybp for BY7449 *

10 years of struggle to conquer the truth and what your interior dictates against tidal wind and any forecast, wrong as can be seen. LOL

:innocent:

Hi Carlos.
il n'y a pas de quoi.
It seems that by classifying his haplogroup as E-BY7449 *, Yfull is saying that this is uncertain, that is, there may still be change. The only certainty is that there is a Dutchman stuck on you all the time. LOL. :)

https://i.imgur.com/HvLjV5Y.png
https://i.imgur.com/V1OoMBZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/nqUWtYu.png

Carlos
26-12-19, 10:00
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xwgSsFaplM4/XgRkDYhp0WI/AAAAAAAABxM/E6xEUSa_wvgyWn4yGvXCPAGztt4Z1SowwCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BY7566-YF66572.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mGVhiQIqIys/XgRkhHphALI/AAAAAAAABxU/HP6QEcMtDZ4SLlasVQZt3HKcGwR0aN6RQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/edadl%25C3%25ADnea.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XIuvJ0T1tWc/XgRkmYGXP4I/AAAAAAAABxY/ZgvzJvAjjUQc7oWLRzcNAX8qzKvjE4glwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/MATCHconHolandes.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xVSk-gkAAIA/XgRkutCtLpI/AAAAAAAABxc/0KrwrpYvahci6DcaOmGsrAEzTAWTTus5QCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/JONfennelK13.JPEG

The thing is like that now.


The Dutchman is the most pleasant and the only one who answers me to the messages, but he is stubborn in a Spanish origin and in turn of a Phoenician. But my father's family tells me that we come from a deserter of Napoleon's troops.


Someone of confidence has told me that they are not Askenazis, I really don't get asquenazi results, so in the first order. Apparently one of the Poles is from the nobility and descends from Scotland.


Someone of them has answered me, has 25 years of research perto not loose fly, very typical of the E-V22 specialists in E-V22, here I send greetings and that they do very well and take advantage of them, I do not need them and For the glory of my mother I will know the whole truth even if it takes 20 more years.


The Dutchman wants to make me Phoenician, I do not feel Arabic, or Jewish, or Phoenician, I am sorry but it is so. I wonder at what time the rest of Europeans forgot that Spain is a European country with which they have maintained close relations throughout history forgetting and obsessing with the Alhambra and failing with the Phoenicians.


Everyone here says what they think about Spain and if it is Andalusia I do not even tell you ..., because now I say that I am a Jázaro.

Carlos
26-12-19, 12:51
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wmKyhZk2imY/XgSPcBm556I/AAAAAAAABxw/m8ka1-ys2U8VTWA1CyO8NR-45M0HQlShACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BY7566.jpg

Now up again. I am in contact with a genealogist and could prove that I am descended from a deserter of Napoleon's troops. What in those troops could there be many nationalities? Yes, but surely there was no Phoenician from Andalusia y olé. So be careful with the movements because I am following them closely.This topic is already public.


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Post independent topic
Keep putting Andalusia 0.00% WHG

Dou
26-12-19, 20:55
The Dutchman wants to make me Phoenician, I do not feel Arabic, or Jewish, or Phoenician, I am sorry but it is so. I wonder at what time the rest of Europeans forgot that Spain is a European country with which they have maintained close relations throughout history forgetting and obsessing with the Alhambra and failing with the Phoenicians.


Everyone here says what they think about Spain and if it is Andalusia I do not even tell you ..., because now I say that I am a Jázaro.

It could be worse and have the clade of a possible Subsaharian slave or eunuch like mine, I would prefer the Phoenician.

I have no problem with it, but I expected to find myself being a direct descendant of Thor or Superman. Lol.

Sorry for the spam and have your luck with the search :wink:

Duarte
26-12-19, 21:25
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wmKyhZk2imY/XgSPcBm556I/AAAAAAAABxw/m8ka1-ys2U8VTWA1CyO8NR-45M0HQlShACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BY7566.jpg

Now up again. I am in contact with a genealogist and could prove that I am descended from a deserter of Napoleon's troops. What in those troops could there be many nationalities? Yes, but surely there was no Phoenician from Andalusia y olé. So be careful with the movements because I am following them closely.This topic is already public.

Keep putting Andalusia 0.00% WHG

Dear Carlos. To say that there is no WHG in Iberia is a gross mistake, I think . I know this bar chart pointing 0% WHG in Spain I think that is not correct. FTDNA says I'm 37% WHG, and look I'm not 100% European ;) :satisfied::grin:

https://i.imgur.com/ZmT13HI.png

Dou
26-12-19, 23:24
Dear Carlos. To say that there is no WHG in Iberia is a gross mistake, I think . I know this bar chart pointing 0% WHG in Spain I think that is not correct. FTDNA says I'm 37% WHG, and look I'm not 100% European ;) :satisfied::grin:


6% Metal Age Invader, 58% Farmer, 36% Hunter-Gatherer, 0% non-European.

They are very similar to mine, but Davidski coordinates grant me a Sub-Saharan and North-African components.

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 4.7970% / 0.04797037
Aggregated
55.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
27.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.0 WHG
4.2 MAR_Iberomaurusian
1.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
1.2 Gambian
0.6 Han

Duarte
26-12-19, 23:28
6% Metal Age Invader, 58% Farmer, 36% Hunter-Gatherer, 0% non-European.

They are very similar to mine, but Davidski coordinates grant me a Sub-Saharan and North-African components.

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 4.7970% / 0.04797037
Aggregated
55.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
27.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.0 WHG
4.2 MAR_Iberomaurusian
1.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
1.2 Gambian
0.6 Han

Nice results Dou :)

Carlos
27-12-19, 13:31
It could be worse and have the clade of a possible Subsaharian slave or eunuch like mine, I would prefer the Phoenician.

I have no problem with it, but I expected to find myself being a direct descendant of Thor or Superman. Lol.

Sorry for the spam and have your luck with the search :wink:

It makes me want to strangle someone. LOL


We'll see. The Dutchman lives in the dream of Spanish thirds in Holland. A study has been done and nothing at all.


If I still be adding, I doubt it. The Dutchman and I shared an ancestor from the year 1400.

We'll see. The Dutchman lives in the dream of Spanish thirds in Holland. A study has been done and nothing at all.


If I still be adding, I doubt it. The Dutchman and I shared an ancestor from the year 1400.


https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holanda

Later, West Frisia was conquered and, as a result, most regional institutions referred to Holland and West Frisia as a single unit. At the same time, armed confrontations took place and followed each other until Jacqueline I, countess of Henao, was forced to cede all her possessions, including Holland, to her cousin Felipe III of Burgundy, known as Felipe the Good, in 1432.

As a result, Holland became part of the Burgundy Netherlands, and later, in 1477, it became part of the Seventeen Habsburg Provinces. In the 16th century, the county became the most densely urbanized European region, with the majority of the population living in large cities. In the Burgundy Netherlands, Holland was the dominant region of the north; Holland's political influence largely determined Burgundian dominance over the area.

My paternal family assures that by father line DnaY we come from a French soldier defector of Napoleon's troops who changed his last name. (It may well have been a soldier or a military nobleman, that's right now)


It is what I have to date.

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Merry Christmas to all. Duarte and company.

Duarte
27-12-19, 13:53
It makes me want to strangle someone. LOL


We'll see. The Dutchman lives in the dream of Spanish thirds in Holland. A study has been done and nothing at all.


If I still be adding, I doubt it. The Dutchman and I shared an ancestor from the year 1400.

We'll see. The Dutchman lives in the dream of Spanish thirds in Holland. A study has been done and nothing at all.


If I still be adding, I doubt it. The Dutchman and I shared an ancestor from the year 1400.


https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holanda

Later, West Frisia was conquered and, as a result, most regional institutions referred to Holland and West Frisia as a single unit. At the same time, armed confrontations took place and followed each other until Jacqueline I, countess of Henao, was forced to cede all her possessions, including Holland, to her cousin Felipe III of Burgundy, known as Felipe the Good, in 1432.

As a result, Holland became part of the Burgundy Netherlands, and later, in 1477, it became part of the Seventeen Habsburg Provinces. In the 16th century, the county became the most densely urbanized European region, with the majority of the population living in large cities. In the Burgundy Netherlands, Holland was the dominant region of the north; Holland's political influence largely determined Burgundian dominance over the area.

My paternal family assures that by father line DnaY we come from a French soldier defector of Napoleon's troops who changed his last name. (It may well have been a soldier or a military nobleman, that's right now)


It is what I have to date.

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Merry Christmas to all. Duarte and company.

Thanks Carlos. Best wishes to you, DOU and everybody :)

Duarte
27-12-19, 16:15
Duarte and Carlos, Did you find something new with Big Y, or others with whom you shared a recent ancestor with?

Hi haidahai.
I think the post below answers part of your question. I have a mach Y with a man from Cordoba, Spain. I have no intention of contacting him, for now.
Hugs and Happy New Year.:good_job::smile:


In both, Big Y and Yfull, I form a terminal clade of haplogroup R1b-DF27 with a Cordoba Spanish: R-FGC35133.

According to a message sent by the FTDNA Project Administrator DF27, in a few days he would reposition me, putting us together in a new subclade: R-Y54249. See message below:


"Duarte,

Project R DF27 and Subclades. R1b-DF27 Subclades Project: DF27+ ZZ12+ Z195+ Z198+ Z209+

Congrats on the new results. I've taken a quick peek at your private mutations and one of the males who was already on the FGC35133 branch. You and he match with at least one private mutation, meaning that you and he will form a NEW downstream branch:

BY25634>FGC35133>Y54249

(I will get you moved in the next few days)

This male is only sitting at Y500 and would likely share some more private mutations with you found in the new Y700 region. In fact, you appear to be the ONLY male in this entire branch of the DF27 tree with new Y700 results compared to the older version."


However, this has not been done to date by the FTDNA, but Yfull has already advanced the FTDNA and has grouped us into a new subclade containing the SNP FGC35133: R-Y45921 (Y45921 * Y53021 * Y54249 Y55210 * Y56488 * Y111390 * FGC35133).


It is a young clade, that appears to have emerged at 680 BCE (TMRCA 2700 ybp)


Below are illustrative images:

https://i.imgur.com/HjDbPXt.png
https://i.imgur.com/HIW9k1e.png?2
https://i.imgur.com/2vtF1HL.png?1
https://i.imgur.com/67GNrAk.png?1
https://i.imgur.com/cr2TR73.png?1

Carlos
27-12-19, 17:51
Duarte and Carlos, Did you find something new with Big Y, or others with whom you shared a recent ancestor with?

My results are higher.

Since you have mixed several themes as you always like to do. These are my results; although in other calculators he also obtained CHG.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OYJbIFErjGI/XgYoAORRYBI/AAAAAAAAB0Y/K_YVbf-6RYgzDINy3CSN__7cBhcPE_sqQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/farmerWHG.JPEG

Dou
27-12-19, 22:03
Thanks Carlos. Best wishes to you, DOU and everybody :)

Same to you! :satisfied:

Carlos
28-12-19, 01:35
Thanks Carlos. I was referring to the haplogroup inheritance.

Yes I know and I replied that they were above the post.

Carlos
28-12-19, 18:13
Deep research

We'll see. I have obtained this map where my knot appears

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wmKyhZk2imY/XgSPcBm556I/AAAAAAAABxw/m8ka1-ys2U8VTWA1CyO8NR-45M0HQlShACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BY7566.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-b1l-Vbd4kSY/XgdxI-w34xI/AAAAAAAAB1o/dngGqw6hDtkkCcTieGyIxX9qb5j-g80NwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/E-BY7566.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Kgok4CDopJ4/XgdzjTMueYI/AAAAAAAAB2A/7uczHSGVMBc19wGggIVYVPRNQJRZoZnWgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/MAPAAMPLIADO.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rTZhcsZq_0M/Xgdx9xSBiLI/AAAAAAAAB1w/YJJspliuCLkJAzh5IB8NXJY4QxyElYL7gCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/mapa%2BGrecia.JPEG

If that map is real in the Mesolithic it was already in Europe.

Here the E-BY7503 downstream of mine takes a pole vault and is situated in medieval times above. What could have been my jump to the continental zone? It must have been before medieval times because I hardly get results from Greece, I get more results from the Balkans and from Rome, also Gauls and Iberia for granted. I am next to a Dutchman but seeing this map the Dutchman's hypothesis of coming from a soldier of the Spanish thirds perhaps a Phoenician who lived in Andalusia becomes unfeasible. It has to be another way.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HoGeO_LvgKw/Xgd0sX0IxZI/AAAAAAAAB2M/TonG8kJGqHwxgM0KEi5rM-qmHG6vrGSLgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/E-BY7503.JPEG

The E of my haplogroup wheel are these:

E1b1b1a1b1 - Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
E1b1b1a1b1a - Iberian Cordoba Caliphate
E1b1b1b1a1 - Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
E1b1b1a1b1a - Carthago-Maghrebi Andalusia
E1b1b1a - Early Medieval Iberia Granada
E1b1b1b1a1 - Medieval Taifa of Valencia
E-V13 - Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
E1b - Medieval Tyrolian

Mine is E1b1b1a1c

In imputed I have
E1b1a1 - Moor Cordoba Caliphat
E1b1b1a1b1a - Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona
E1b1b1b1a - Guanche Canary Islands
E1b - Medieval Tyrolian
E1b1b1b1a1 - Guanche Canary Islands
E1b1b1a - Early Medieval Iberia Granada
E1b1b1b1a1 - Medieval Taifa of Valencia
E1b1b1b1a1 - Guanche Cana
E1b1b1b1a1 - Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
E1b1b1 - Kenya Kokurmatakore PIA
E1b - Hellenic Roman / Cretan

Neolithic

7. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 10.09 - I3499 -
Top
99
% match vs all users

9. Bell Beaker Haunstetten Germany (2385 BC) ..... 10.35 - UNTA58_68Sk1 -
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99
% match vs all users

35. Celtiberian Mix Tribe Northern Spain (2300 BC) ..... 13.49 - I3238 -
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99
% match vs all users

49. Boscombe Bowmen Amesbury (2300 BC) ..... 14.27 - I2416-BB -
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99
% match vs all users

84. Niedertiefenbach Western Germany (3200 BC) ..... 15.96 - Niedertiefenbach1 - ?
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99
% match vs all users

100. Niedertiefenbach Western Germany (3200 BC) ..... 16.7 - Niedertiefenbach20
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99
% match vs all users

136. Niedertiefenbach Western Germany (3200 BC) ..... 18.61 - Niedertiefenbach27 - ?
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99
% match vs all users

147. Niedertiefenbach Western Germany (3200 BC) ..... 19.0 - Niedertiefenbach37 - ?
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99
% match vs all users

151. Bell Beaker Haunstetten Germany (2273 BC) ..... 19.28 - UNTA85_1343 -
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42
% match vs all users

167. Niedertiefenbach Western Germany (3200 BC) ..... 20.61 - Niedertiefenbach33 - ?
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99
% match vs all users

Early Bronze Age


14. High Status Male Haunstetten (2059 BC) ..... 11.38 - POST_44 -
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99
% match vs all users

24. North Alpine Bronze Age (1677 BC) ..... 12.2 - AITI_98 -
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99
% match vs all users

28. North Alpine Bronze Age (1794 BC) ..... 12.9 - AITI_43 -
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98
% match vs all users

44. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 14.01 - I4331 -
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94
% match vs all users

47. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 14.25 - I4332 -
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95
% match vs all users

51. High Status Burial Mound Haunstetten (2112 BC) ..... 14.38 - POST_50 -
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99
% match vs all users

52. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age (1563 BC) ..... 14.42 - OTTM_151ind2 -
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98
% match vs all users

54. North Alpine Bronze Age (1797 BC) ..... 14.51 - AITI_66 -
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99
% match vs all users

64. North Alpine Bronze Age (1752 BC) ..... 14.69 - AITI_120 -
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84
% match vs all users

68. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1440 BC) ..... 14.78 - I2472 -
Top
99
% match vs all users


As older results I have these but it is autosomal.And the DNA of many of them is unknown. If the E-BY7503 that is downstream of mine made the jump to the continent in medieval times I am upstream I jumped before.

My god why didn't you make me smarter lol

Well, I have no idea, I hope they solve it now because there are clues to know now.

Well, if the super mega experts still don't know how I would know.

Carlos
29-12-19, 12:30
^^
Man, don't be like that. Angela is one of the fairest moderators there have been here. Focus a little and stop worrying about what others think of you. What interests me now is to find out the path of my haplogroup Ydna. Where, how, when and why.

Dou
30-12-19, 13:52
charmdatereviewsoes or charmdatereviewsszk or charmdatereviewsqeq or charmdatereviewsthd or charmdatereviewsdoi or charmdatereviewsyts or charmdatereviewscze or charmdatereviewsvpt or charmdatereviewscfc or charmdatereviewsofj or charmdatereviewshan or charmdatereviewsxbw or charmdatereviewskjw or charmdatereviewswfq or charmdatereviewsgok or charmdatereviewsxyn or charmdatereviewsvkh or charmdatereviewsbap or charmdatereviewsiwc or charmdatereviewsolq or charmdatereviewsive or charmdatereviewsdlp or charmdatereviewsjgj or charmdatereviewswqh or charmdatereviewslhu or charmdatereviewssng or charmdatereviewsnfq or charmdatereviewscvu or charmdatereviewsdij or charmdatereviewskpp or charmdatereviewsmys or charmdatereviewswnh or charmdatereviewsmtc or charmdatereviewsdsl ... and so on........

Good appreciation, anyone want to add something else?

Carlos
30-12-19, 17:41
The E-V22 we want calculators we do not believe what you have always told us. So far we have arrived, the clamor is already heard on the networks.

Carlos
12-01-20, 15:20
I am Juan in the tree. From Juan I observe two paths to the left, right that somehow coincide or have coherence with the DNA and mtDNA maps. Where the DNA map stops over southern Greece, the graph continues until it reaches Juan.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RbJv3DGuZk4/Xhr1jmqDncI/AAAAAAAACKs/PrcCPKoD2R0ZonafFVlP_PSB0eZQRgB3ACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/MDSplot.jpeg
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https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Kgok4CDopJ4/XgdzjTMueYI/AAAAAAAAB2A/7uczHSGVMBc19wGggIVYVPRNQJRZoZnWgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/MAPAAMPLIADO.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gzNPSO1QN30/XhsVP-R7eUI/AAAAAAAACLE/VT6rCo7K0hYWSmvmISKsv-d0jVY6SR0OwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/MAPAMITOCONDRIALM%25C3%258DO.jpeg

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This is my situation in Yfull with a Dutchman from the OV region.
My partner, I think he has always believed to be a descendant of a Spanish balance of thirds in Holland but I have an oral tradition by a father's family to descend from a deserter of Napoléon's troops, according to my French family, the troops that were in Montejaque Ronda were Franco-Polish, this is a difficult fact to date for different reasons.


The region of my Dutch companion in the year 1400 was under domination of Burgundy and curiously in these results I find that region like others in France.



https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WVu8vaKmij0/XgYmegGKeII/AAAAAAAAB0A/M-4lQki_Jt47C9sBfdkFcshiCqHIa9tAQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/BY7566.jpg


This is my situation in Yfull with a Dutchman from the OV region.
My partner, I think he has always believed to be a descendant of a Spanish balance of thirds in Holland but I have an oral tradition by a father's family to descend from a deserter of Napoléon's troops, according to my French family, the troops that were in Montejaque Ronda were Franco-Polish, this is a difficult fact to date for different reasons.


The region of my Dutch companion in the year 1.400 was under domination of Burgundy and curiously in these results I find that region like others in France. and the Dutch OV region also appears on the line from southern Greece to reach Juan.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0MYrhnbAcP8/XhpcenZ1N7I/AAAAAAAACKQ/paGUt7A0i2wl7ilv2_PYXK_2Nseenm65ACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/nMontes3Oracle.jpeg


I understand that Iberia or even more Andalusia is doomed to the fact of Al-Andalus, Phoenicians e.t.c. but we must not forget the History of Spain in relation to the rest of European countries in the past as well as relatively modern times

I do not know what it can be but I see more of a continental track of the match with the Dutch than a Phoenician track in Andalusia, thirds e.t.c. however epic it may be.

As I am a multidisciplinary scientist I also include my MTA E

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-A5s5PcLSwVM/XhsiQ--Jx7I/AAAAAAAACLQ/O980EIexNfQTnZxa3Dj5D6s1ab3yIwsbwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/E.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-APxCTBx-h24/XhsiUUmvM_I/AAAAAAAACLU/p4ihBgNJC-gYU7Lmj9UzK4YJo8YUKY4wwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/E1b.jpeg

Mine is E1b1b1a1c*V22+


I do not know what to think because following the path of the graphic "Juan" and also discarding those that are not E1b1b1a1c could be:

Medieval Tyrolian
Sant Julià de Ramis

Carlos
17-01-20, 04:23
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https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-J2wpJRCew4Y/XiEPcu1iJcI/AAAAAAAACLw/ZW7mMev7YE0QupQBc0YSpJU31o6eLaKugCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/MAPAimperioROMANOamarillo.jpeg


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Carlos
28-01-20, 16:41
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Carlos
20-02-20, 17:18
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We are seeing these days as nothing is as it seems. The Greeks of the Ampurias colony are not the Greeks that everyone expected, the Visigoths of Girona are not the Visigoths that everyone expected, the Etruscans are not the Etruscans that everyone expected and it is not that there are people with an agenda and people without an agenda is that we all have a bigger agenda than a piano.


Based on that nothing is what it seems and seeing my results from regions based on 700,000 modern examples from so many regions why my E-V22 could not be the E-V22 that nobody would expect in Andalusia that as you all know is my region of origin.


I have these results and the oral tradition of my family about the French legionary defector of Napoleon's troops as he passed through Spain from which he had to run as everyone knows. Then I have seen that there is a French region where they were not anti-republics if that legionary was hypothetically from that region and had ended up enrolled in Napoleon's troops could have some consistency his defection due to his ideals. Although it is not a bit as high as that and relatively recently it has not been so long since the invasion and I do not know to what extent the autosomal can play to raise some origins or others; although in my case I come from a population whose origin is in the repopulation of Andalusia and the autosomal has had enough games to play with and it is possible that some regions of origin of the repopulation had doubled by paternal and maternal means referring to my values higher in some regions.


It is a hypothesis based on the Etruscans that nobody expected, the Visigoths that nobody expected and the Greeks that nobody expected.

Carlos
17-04-20, 13:50
I think that companies should take samples with semen or blood, saliva is causing many problems and you never know what people have been able to put in their mouths, once this suggestion has been made we will continue with the disciplinary study based on anthropological results and philotechnicians of the haplogroup at hand.

These are some of my results. I will see first the oldest found in Europe and my correspondences with them.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-39_dsQJq0X4/XpmIFa8QHsI/AAAAAAAADeI/-diuJ9bhzLEfcLotYCSOVjRzF0253K6tACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/CTS4208mape.jpeg
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Hello Carlos,
Thank you for contacting FTDNA! You do not need to order Z1919 or any other SNP tests since you have the Big Y-700.
You are positive for Z1919. You can check this by going to Big Y — Results, setting the Derived? setting to Show All and searching for Z1919. Since Z1919 is a No Call (?), which means that there were not enough reads for the test to automatically tell if you are positive or negative for that SNP without our haplotree manager reviewing the call, you can then click on the blue Z1919 link when it appears to see your test reads in the Big Y — Chromosome Browser, where you can see that you are positive for this SNP.


The company assures me that I am positive on Z1919 but that there were not enough readings. I am concerned that it is not in the download files and I may lose some character in MTA.

Carlos
17-04-20, 20:26
Likewise, I obtain this nucleotide polymorphism based on its chronification in a determined population.


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-W-UsL8d6mJ4/Xpnwj4PDX8I/AAAAAAAADhA/Saiy_cH1xScKdVtg9CsNIAzuk5zZRhg6QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/CTS2817MAPEszoladHungr%25C3%25ADaLongobard.jpeg
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I think I remember that in MTA I have two samples, one of elite as it could not be otherwise and the other of a 50 year old horse breeder, I do not know which sample belongs to which of the two. I will look for it another day, now I wish I was going for a bike ride, I miss riding a bike, which I do not understand because I have not done it for years.