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bicicleur
31-01-20, 19:56
Ted Kendall :

Everyone, meet Nakht-Ankh from Shashotep, Egypt. He lived sometime between 1991 BCE – 1802 BCE. He was the son of the Lady Khnum-Aa, and the older brother of Khnum-Nakht.
He's Y-DNA H-Y21618* and mtDNA M1a1* + G8251A, G16145A.
He's the earliest person who we can name in all of human history whose Y and mtDNA haplogroups we can identify.
Nakht-Ankh was a contemporary of the Bell Beakers in Britain, the Minoans, and the Indus Valley Civilization in South Asia. He lived 100 years before Hammurabi of Babylon.
I reanalyzed his Y SNPs using the YFull haplogroups and he's derived for 2 F* SNPs, Z19004 and Z18865 in H-P96, and BY44412 in H-Y21618. He's ancestral for G*, IJ* and K* SNPs and for Z19117 in H-Y19962 which is the immediate subgroup of H-Y21618.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YDssYjnyLl-e6KrPIYnQAOQpxUTmemePj3_U134h1uc/edit?pli=1#gid=0
Haplogroup H2-P96 may be a very surprising result for Egypt. It's never been seen among Egyptians today. H2 is closely associated with the Northwest Anatolian and European Neolithic. However, H2 was also found in a Pre-Pottery Neolithic C Levantine individual from about 9000 ybp. It seems like some Levantine Neolithic and Chalcolithic people made it to Egypt at the start of Egyptian civilization. Since he's ancestral for H-Y19962, he's not in the European subclade of H-P96.
The study wasn't able to identify his or his brother Khnum-Nakht's Y haplogroups, but they were able to get their mtDNA haplotype, proving that they were at least half-brothers.
http://xn--c1acc6aafa1c.xn--p1ai/wp-content/uploads/Drosou-ea-18-DNA-of-Egyptian-mummy.pdf
— with Ilias Housse and 9 others at Asyut Governorate.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/H/

bicicleur
31-01-20, 20:07
this farao lived during the middle kingdom



this is before the arrival of the Hyksos or any other known large group of immigrants into Egypt

the Cushites were herding and hunter tribes in NE Africa, known from archeological evidence since 5,2 ka (Afar triangle)
their autosomal was Levantine PPNB, but they all were identified as subclades of E1b1b1, none of them H2

Angela
31-01-20, 20:47
Great new info. So, basically Levantine in terms of yDna.

Is there any autosomal available?

bicicleur
31-01-20, 22:03
no mention of autosomal in the pdf
http://xn--c1acc6aafa1c.xn--p1ai/wp-content/uploads/Drosou-ea-18-DNA-of-Egyptian-mummy.pdf

my guess is related to the Cushites - PPNB Levant, prior to any chalcolithic or bronze age (CHG/Iran Neo) admixture in the Levant

the mtDNA M1 probably arrived even before : paleo- or mesolithic

Ygorcs
31-01-20, 22:25
Despite all the discussions about the "race" of Ancient Egyptians, I think it is increasingly clear that even if no massive post-Neolithic migration from the Levant took place, Mesolithic Egypt was probably already on the northeasternmost (i.e. most Natufian-like) end of a genetic cline running from Iberomaurusian-like to Natufian-like on the west/east axis and from Natufian-like to indigenous Ari-like and Dinka-like in East Africa proper. By the late Neolithic, as we can see even as far south as Kenya and Tanzania a mix of Sudanese-like with Levant_PPNB-like components was present, we can assume that the Levant_PPNB-like ancestry was found in much higher proportions thousands of kilometers to the north much close to the Levant. I'm sure some Subsaharan African admixture also admixed in that northeasternmost part of Africa, but all the evidences increasingly point to a lot of West Eurasian ancestry there since the beginning of the Neolithic at least (and probably since before, because as far as I know there are no major signs of cultural discontinuity in Egypt between the Mesolithic and the Neolithic).

bicicleur
01-02-20, 00:40
Despite all the discussions about the "race" of Ancient Egyptians, I think it is increasingly clear that even if no massive post-Neolithic migration from the Levant took place, Mesolithic Egypt was probably already on the northeasternmost (i.e. most Natufian-like) end of a genetic cline running from Iberomaurusian-like to Natufian-like on the west/east axis and from Natufian-like to indigenous Ari-like and Dinka-like in East Africa proper. By the late Neolithic, as we can see even as far south as Kenya and Tanzania a mix of Sudanese-like with Levant_PPNB-like components was present, we can assume that the Levant_PPNB-like ancestry was found in much higher proportions thousands of kilometers to the north much close to the Levant. I'm sure some Subsaharan African admixture also admixed in that northeasternmost part of Africa, but all the evidences increasingly point to a lot of West Eurasian ancestry there since the beginning of the Neolithic at least (and probably since before, because as far as I know there are no major signs of cultural discontinuity in Egypt between the Mesolithic and the Neolithic).
the 'green Sahara' was interrupted by the 8,2 ka climate event which lasted some 400 years
before the 8,2 ka climate event the 'green Sahara' was full of HG
during the 8,2 ka climate event the 'green Sahara' was dried up and empty
after the 8,2 ka climate event the 'green Sahara' was full of milk-consuming herders with cattle
they must have been the Levantine PPNB (E1b1b1) people
ca 5,5 ka the Green Sahara came to an end, the Sahara became deserted again and the population started to grow in the Nile valley
a few centuries later unification of the Nile Valley was acomplished, that was the birth of ancient Egypt
all circumstantial evidence points to Levantine PPNB people

Maciamo
01-02-20, 13:58
I have added them to the page on famous mtDNA (https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/famous_mtdna_by_haplogroup.shtml#M) and famous Y-DNA (https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/famous_y-dna_by_haplogroup.shtml#H2).

Alyan
01-02-20, 15:09
We need a paper focused on a mummy dating to no older than the 24th century B.C. and being no younger than Djehutynakht's. Maybe both.

Northener
28-02-20, 21:37
the 'green Sahara' was interrupted by the 8,2 ka climate event which lasted some 400 years
before the 8,2 ka climate event the 'green Sahara' was full of HG
during the 8,2 ka climate event the 'green Sahara' was dried up and empty
after the 8,2 ka climate event the 'green Sahara' was full of milk-consuming herders with cattle
they must have been the Levantine PPNB (E1b1b1) people
ca 5,5 ka the Green Sahara came to an end, the Sahara became deserted again and the population started to grow in the Nile valley
a few centuries later unification of the Nile Valley was acomplished, that was the birth of ancient Egypt
all circumstantial evidence points to Levantine PPNB people

The timing is congruent with the development of my Y-DNA, see formed and TMRCA:

https://www.mupload.nl/img/4ic3ap45i.34.09.png

Philjames100
20-10-20, 12:35
Does anyone know what the relationship is between Nakht-Ankh's H2 subclade and ancient H2 samples from Europe?

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22-10-20, 01:42
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