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Jovialis
07-02-20, 19:33
Here are all of the coordinates for Dodecad K12b Ancient West Eurasia. The sample list will continue to be updated.

Produced by Jovialis, Durate, and contributions by Maciamo.

Updated: April 25, 2020

Total number of ancient DNA samples: 959

Paste coordinates in the source tab of http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/dodecad-k12b-vahaduo.htm

Download the coordinates here: http://www.mediafire.com/file/c9zxqrbx7o24s72/Dodecad_K12b_Ancient__West_Eurasia.docx/file

Also available on Admixture Studio:

https://i.imgur.com/wh8EbFi.png

torzio
07-02-20, 21:43
mine



Distance to:
Torziok12b


1.89726118
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.40054542
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


4.63928874
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


4.65249395
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


4.82277928
CL23


4.86300319
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


5.02880702
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.21492090
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


6.00532264
SZ28


6.60955369
CL49


6.88000000
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


6.93799683
CL94


7.28685117
R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


7.57478052
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


7.62312272
CL57


7.70831369
CL36


7.72828571
CL47


7.79092421
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


7.88022842
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.89459942
Bavaria_BB_II5524


7.93197958
SZ45


8.04563857
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


8.04854024
SZ43


8.12515231
SZ27


8.49518687
R108_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi





father below


Distance to:
PonzanoK12b


2.96722092
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.88872171
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.02758391
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


5.03138152
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


5.17989382
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.65693380
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


5.67751706
CL49


5.88861614
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.95225167
SZ28


6.03410308
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


6.08940063
CL47


6.10329419
CL23


6.37341353
CL94


6.61260161
SZ45


7.01978632
R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


7.19994444
R108_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


7.20488029
Bavaria_BB_II5524


7.21248917
CL57


7.22930840
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


7.42829052
R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


7.88196676
I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.10768771
CL102


8.27916059
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


8.36763407
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10851


8.39875586
SZ27





Female first cousin from paternal grandfather sister line


Distance to:
TrentinoCles


2.53333772
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


2.88975778
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


3.48031608
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


3.75795157
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


3.85072720
SZ28


4.27906532
SZ43


5.06032608
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.88459005
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


6.05645936
CL36


6.11802256
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.50109222
CL23


6.53108720
SZ31


7.26898205
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197


7.82710036
ScythianMoldova_SCY300


7.89238874
CL49


7.97467241
SZ36


8.36254148
Bavaria_BB_II5524


8.43631436
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.58509755
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


8.78997156
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192


9.10143395
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


9.24717795
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


9.46118914
R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio


9.51338005
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


9.55524987
SZ37





Below is a male whose ancestor is the brother of my great great grandfather b.1822 ( paternal side ) same surname



Distance to:
BelunPk12b


2.85040348
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


2.89129729
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


2.95218563
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


3.00813896
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


3.06084956
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


4.34786154
SZ28


5.05758836
CL23


5.50328993
CL49


6.21656658
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


6.24843981
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


6.33832786
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


6.40148420
SZ43


6.46353618
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


6.86280555
CL36


7.35241457
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.56866567
Bavaria_BB_II5524


7.96169580
I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.15677019
SZ31


8.19120260
CL94


8.35335262
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


8.41500446
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


8.53501025
CL47


9.05707458
SZ36


9.21911059
CL57


9.33575385
SZ45

torzio
07-02-20, 22:04
running all above with max output of 4




Distance to:
BelunPk12b


2.85040348
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


2.89129729
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


2.95218563
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


3.00813896
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge





Distance to:
TrentinoCles


2.53333772
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


2.88975778
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


3.48031608
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


3.75795157
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro





Distance to:
Torziok12b


1.89726118
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.40054542
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


4.63928874
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


4.65249395
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia




Distance to:
PonzanoK12b


2.96722092
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.88872171
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.02758391
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


5.03138152
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto





only sample that is in the top for all of the above
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge



I4331, I4332, Early/Middle Bronze Age, 1700-1500 BCE
http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616

I4331
mtDNA: I1a1
Y-DNA: J2b2a

Joey37
08-02-20, 00:22
11794What does SZ stand for? I match those guys real well.

Jovialis
08-02-20, 00:35
Those are samples from the paper, "Understanding 6th-century barbarian social organization and migration through paleogenomics", about Lombards. The SZ stands for Szólád, a city in Hungary.

Joey37
08-02-20, 02:49
Oh, so they're Lombards. Makes sense, then.

Stuvanè
08-02-20, 09:13
Distance to:
Stuvanè


3.43011662
SZ31


3.44400929
SZ36


3.71212877
CL36


4.21513938
SZ43


4.68264882
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


4.83184230
ScythianMoldova_SCY300


4.97630385
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


5.34300477
R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio


5.55229682
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192


5.57919349
SZ37


5.58678799
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


5.87326144
CL23


6.25171976
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.43351381
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


6.77911499
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


7.07541518
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197


7.29406608
R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


7.43797688
SZ28


7.65708169
R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


7.93996222
R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


7.97270970
SZ1


8.40716956
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.74874848
R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.04734768
R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.37029882
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical

mha
08-02-20, 11:11
All SZ samples are not homogenous. If I remember correctly, you have Northern and Southern cluster with some samples in-between. Szolad is a match for me also, and I presume other Slavs. First ten:



Distance to:
me



4.21754668
ANI163_Varna_Outlier


4.77990586
SZ42


4.96589368
SZ12


5.05904141
SZ11


5.45348512
SZ24


6.21923629
SZ30


6.31038034
AlemannicBavariaBIM_33


6.32664208
SZ25


6.37617440
SZ13


7.05800963
CL97

bigsnake49
08-02-20, 16:25
Mine:

11798

Scythian, eh? Solezad cluster are the next matches.

Angela
08-02-20, 17:01
^^There's more than one "type" of Scythian found in Moldova. One is very "Northern", and one is very "Southern European".

xri34
08-02-20, 17:01
Mine:

11796

Scythian, eh? Solezad cluster are the next matches.

Could you post a photo or copy and paste because the link does not open?
This is mine
4.71686336 R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.87681248 CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53
5.09032415 SZ37
5.56705488 R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
5.81283924 R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
6.38806700 SZ36
7.03153611 SZ31
7.10957101 R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
7.16487264 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
7.25426082 R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.46294178 R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.51240308 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305
7.65527269 R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
7.73755775 R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
7.76067652 R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
7.81090904 R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.87537301 ScythianMoldova_SCY300
7.92704863 R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
8.13490627 R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
8.18330618 R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
8.37068695 R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
8.48079006 R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
8.69321575 R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
8.87463239 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
9.38254230 R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis

torzio
08-02-20, 17:22
the scythian query

I cannot recall if the question of Scythian being a branch of sarmatians or not being Sarmatians has ever been resolved

IMO, I always kept them separated

Others have kept them as one huge tribe

Angela
08-02-20, 17:44
I just realized that I've been using the coordinates from the original 23andme v3. Since I'm sure almost no one has that, and is using either v4, or v5 or ancestry, which seems pretty close to v5, I'll be using the v5 from now on. The order changes but the players are the same.



Distance to:
Angela


5.88072274
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


6.32650773
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


6.32865705
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


6.44030279
R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


6.46676117
SZ43


6.53661992
R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


7.03668956
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


7.04472143
I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy


7.09619616
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge


7.14881808
R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


7.44927513
I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge


7.88178279
CL36


8.15250268
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197


8.36475343
SZ28


8.77719773
Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.92554760
R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima


8.94997207
Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge


9.15645128
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


9.17988562
SZ31


9.21016829
CL23


9.30224167
R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.30524583
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192


9.47417543
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


9.47641282
R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia


9.54090667
ScythianMoldova_SCY300



I know this is internally consistent because of the following:

Balkans Bronze Age 13313



Distance to:
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


3.56275646
Italy_Lombardy


4.78770749
Italy_Emilia


4.93995082
Italy_Liguria


5.14574766
Italy_Veneto


5.39127537
Italy_Piedmont


6.07536254
Italy_Tuscany


6.54086099
Swiss_Italian


7.53474883
Italy_Trentino


8.14842046
France_Corsica


8.45013349
Italy_FriuliVG


8.57974941
Italy_Romagna


9.78872702
Italy_Aosta_Valley


11.74627933
Italy_Marche


12.03777155
Italy_Lazio


12.29336406
Albanian_North


12.42080915
Albanian_Kosovo


14.46197428
Baleares


15.62894430
Macedonian


16.46757724
Galicia


17.02095179
Gagauz


17.19215810
Extremadura


17.51714611
Italy_Abruzzo


18.13725448
Portuguese


18.47098536
Pomak


18.50866554
Murcia






Distance to:
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


5.28431225
France_Corsica


5.49877060
Italy_Liguria


6.36053229
Italy_Emilia


6.74417601
Italy_Tuscany


7.01113953
Italy_Lombardy


7.79892301
Italy_Piedmont


8.50914214
Italy_Romagna


9.16329828
Italy_Veneto


10.10349259
Swiss_Italian


10.76158901
Italy_Marche


11.32464057
Italy_Lazio


11.48999565
Italy_Trentino


11.59190735
Italy_FriuliVG


12.58351257
Italy_Aosta_Valley


13.34843437
Baleares


14.57551714
Galicia


15.03443048
Extremadura


15.06820162
Albanian_Kosovo


15.30791299
Albanian_North


15.34010104
Canarias


15.34070403
Portuguese


15.59502164
Murcia


16.28642311
Italy_Abruzzo


16.74281040
Andalucia


17.28226548
Castilla_Y_Leon






Distance to:
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


3.13346390
France_Corsica


7.13643258
Italy_Tuscany


7.88741853
Italy_Emilia


7.93103398
Italy_Romagna


8.18782084
Italy_Liguria


8.83622646
Italy_Marche


10.09776678
Italy_Lazio


10.31520419
Italy_Lombardy


11.47091135
Italy_Piedmont


12.67673923
Italy_Veneto


13.57074278
Italy_Abruzzo


14.29889900
Swiss_Italian


15.07772085
Italy_Campania


15.12041785
Italy_FriuliVG


15.56398150
Italy_Trentino


15.90457623
Italy_Sicily


16.16580032
Albanian_Kosovo


16.47288038
Italy_Apulia


16.63682963
Baleares


16.96335462
Albanian_North


17.16246581
Italy_Aosta_Valley


17.91113269
Italy_Calabria


18.28365664
Greek


18.43507798
Murcia


18.50067837
Galicia



Again, the Dodecad K12b updated has one Corsican sample, via "Sizzi", and I highly doubt it's representative.

In regular K12b...



Distance to:
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


6.26660195
TSI30


7.70621178
Tuscan


8.94646299
North_Italian


9.25349664
C_Italian


9.38393841
N_Italian


9.96218350
O_Italian


16.23912559
Sicilian


16.26235223
S_Italian_Sicilian


16.63682963
Baleares


18.28365664
Greek


18.43507798
Murcia


18.50067837
Galicia


18.75878194
Extremadura


18.88255015
Andalucia


19.18635192
Canarias


19.48964340
Portuguese


20.70434978
Ashkenazi


20.85449832
Castilla_Y_Leon


21.34596215
Spaniards


21.36841595
Ashkenazy_Jews


22.01702750
Morocco_Jews


22.40865681
Spanish


22.59549291
Sephardic_Jews


22.77898374
Castilla_La_Mancha


22.79030715
Cataluna





Distance to:
R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


4.95855987
France_Corsica


5.72900515
Italy_Romagna


5.73295543
Italy_Marche


6.52601027
Italy_Tuscany


7.24070466
Italy_Lazio


7.99930566
Italy_Emilia


8.57943659
Italy_Liguria


10.37018436
Italy_Abruzzo


10.86251230
Italy_Lombardy


11.76210041
Italy_Campania


12.19792774
Italy_Piedmont


12.42161332
Italy_Veneto


12.83907707
Albanian_Kosovo


12.91294962
Italy_Apulia


13.07584127
Italy_Sicily


13.09491886
Greek


13.69630607
Albanian_North


14.63272210
Italy_FriuliVG


14.85030850
Swiss_Italian


14.95477500
Italy_Calabria


15.92765394
Italy_Trentino


16.62573006
Ashkenazi


17.11678124
Ashkenazy_Jews


18.54059870
Gagauz


18.65887850
Italy_Aosta_Valley

xri34
08-02-20, 17:50
the scythian query

I cannot recall if the question of Scythian being a branch of sarmatians or not being Sarmatians has ever been resolved

IMO, I always kept them separated

Others have kept them as one huge tribe

Scythians and Sarmatians were very close in genetic and cultural terms but they were two distinct tribes. The Moldova Scythian samples 300,305,192 and 197 are not real Scythians. They are close to Southern Eurpeans and they are considered Northern Thracians/Getae.

Angela
08-02-20, 18:05
^^The same sort of thing happens with Szolad samples: there's a "northern" cluster and a "southern" cluster. In Szolad the southerners were subjugated by the Langobards. I don't think that was the case with the Scythians, i.e. a "class" system, but I'd have to recheck the burial contexts.

For people just starting to play around with these:

https://i.imgur.com/bmLDxi2.png
I'm always closest to SZ43 and CL23.

Northener
08-02-20, 18:35
-Double posting-

Northener
08-02-20, 18:38
Jovialis e.a. thanks for developing!!!!


Some doubts about the results because in our case the Bronze Age samples are prevalent above the iron age/early middle ages. That's IMO not a good sign. Usually is more recent drift more close...


Distance to: Northerner
1.37419067 BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047
1.97861062 CL146
2.27982455 CL145
2.62806012 SZ4
2.66608327 CL93
3.44633138 SZ7
3.60291549 SZ22
4.01720052 CL151
4.07760959 SZ9
4.09470390 SZ13


Distance to: NorthernerDad
2.94535227 BronzeAgeOuterHebrides_I2655
3.21373614 BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047
3.23739092 SZ7
3.52315200 CL84
3.64394018 CL93
3.73158143 CL145
3.87244109 SZ15
3.96203231 CL83
4.31705918 CL146
4.34257988 R1286_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


Distance to: NorthenerMom
2.19786260 BronzeAgeOuterHebrides_I2655
2.82237489 CL93
3.27783465 CL145
3.45272356 CL92
3.47195910 CL84
3.47701021 CL83
3.92670345 BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047
3.95586906 CL146
4.23303674 SZ7
4.27896015 IronAgeHinxton5_Anglo-Saxon_ERS389799


https://www.mupload.nl/img/huamw83pm3.30.29.png
https://www.mupload.nl/img/bacti5yjm3eha.30.42.png
https://www.mupload.nl/img/mf2y0ykm6xoc.30.54.png

Duarte
08-02-20, 19:05
Jovialis e.a. thanks for developing!!!!


Some doubts about the results because in our case the Bronze Age samples are prevalent above the iron age/early middle ages. That's IMO not a good sign. Usually is more recent drift more close...


Distance to: Northerner
1.37419067 BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047
1.97861062 CL146
2.27982455 CL145
2.62806012 SZ4
2.66608327 CL93
3.44633138 SZ7
3.60291549 SZ22
4.01720052 CL151
4.07760959 SZ9
4.09470390 SZ13


Distance to: NorthernerDad
2.94535227 BronzeAgeOuterHebrides_I2655
3.21373614 BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047
3.23739092 SZ7
3.52315200 CL84
3.64394018 CL93
3.73158143 CL145
3.87244109 SZ15
3.96203231 CL83
4.31705918 CL146
4.34257988 R1286_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


Distance to: NorthenerMom
2.19786260 BronzeAgeOuterHebrides_I2655
2.82237489 CL93
3.27783465 CL145
3.45272356 CL92
3.47195910 CL84
3.47701021 CL83
3.92670345 BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047
3.95586906 CL146
4.23303674 SZ7
4.27896015 IronAgeHinxton5_Anglo-Saxon_ERS389799


https://www.mupload.nl/img/huamw83pm3.30.29.png
https://www.mupload.nl/img/bacti5yjm3eha.30.42.png
https://www.mupload.nl/img/mf2y0ykm6xoc.30.54.png

Dear Northerner.
The vast majority of the coordinates included so far refer to samples obtained in Italy, Iberia, Central Europe and Balkans. The current entry coordinates do not favor people from northern and northwestern Europe. Many coordinates of samples from that area would be needed in the source dada entry and these coordinates have not yet been obtained. Fir that reason his results looks strange, with North Europe Bronze Age in the first place.
Cheers :)

Dou
08-02-20, 19:19
The same nonsense as always.



5.91572481
CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40


6.02217569
IlergetesTribeCatalan_I3320


6.41493570
R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


7.22570412
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208


7.22570412
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208


7.24944825
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892


7.27760263
ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977


7.38375921
R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.99233383
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852


8.55661732
IlercavonesCatalan_I3321


8.79180300
LBA_ElSotillo_Alava_I2469


8.84762115
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895


8.91707351
I2215_Malak_Preslavets


9.16251603
R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella


9.30830812
I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy


9.65871109
MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649


9.88438668
EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981


9.93942151
EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585


10.17689540
VasconicTribe_I8209


10.17689540
I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1


10.23212099
VisigothIberianGirona_I12034


10.39308905
PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12516


10.41494119
Pre-RomanGirona_I3324


10.42269159
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3759


10.58412963
IronAgeCatalan_I12640





14.0
I1296_Malak_Preslavets





11.4
IlergetesTribeCatalan_I12878





11.2
IberianElArgarBronzeAge_I8136





10.8
CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457





9.0
I8211_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1





7.6
IlercavonesCatalan_I3321





5.4
Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge





5.0
GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_I10866





2.6
Falkenstein_Mesolithic_Germany





2.6
I1949_GD37_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic





2.2
R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia





2.2
R6_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza





1.8
CeltiberianMixTribeNorthernSpain_I3238





1.6
I1685_Natufian_Nat4_Raqefet_Cave_Israel





1.4
TartessianArchaicAndalusia_I12561





1.4
I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1





1.4
Brillenhohle_Magdalenian_Germany





1.2
NorthAlpineSouthDutch_AITI_50





1.2
IronAgeHinxton1_Celt_ERS389795





0.8
I8202_NE_Iberia_RomP_Empuries1





0.6
CL146





0.6
IberiaBronzeAge_ATP9





0.6
R80_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis





0.6
I1290_GD13A_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic





0.6
I1416_AG83/1_Early_MPPNB_Ain_Ghazal_Jordan





0.4
VasconicTribe_I8209





0.4
CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41





0.4
R132_Imperial_Era__Marcellino_&_Pietro





0.4
I3151_Trypillia





0.2
ASH2-3_Iron_Age1





0.2
Continenza_Mesolithic_Italy





0.2
I2433_Globular_Amphora

torzio
08-02-20, 19:55
Scythians and Sarmatians were very close in genetic and cultural terms but they were two distinct tribes. The Moldova Scythian samples 300,305,192 and 197 are not real Scythians. They are close to Southern Eurpeans and they are considered Northern Thracians/Getae.

thanks

i get these from MTA , for what it is worth


7. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 10.0 - scy197b -
Top 98 % match vs all users

17. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 12.35 - scy192 -
Top 97 % match vs all users

24. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 13.52 - scy300 -
Top 98 % match vs all users

31. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.25 - scy305 -
Top 96 % match vs all users

41. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 15.24 - scy311 -
Top 61 % match vs all users

65. [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus ..... 16.7 - DA195 -
Top 92 % match vs all users

84. [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus ..... 18.58 - DA198 -
Top 94 % match vs all users

94. [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus ..... 19.26 - scy304 -
Top 95 % match vs all users

and also the bottom of the below



1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 5.076 - R1 -
Top 99 % match vs all users

4. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.937 - I3313 -
Top 98 % match vs all users

52. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 15.89 - MJ12 -
Top 97 % match vs all users


my father only get sycthian in the deep dive breakdown.......one line , nothing else

Angela
08-02-20, 20:06
The same nonsense as always.



5.91572481
CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40


6.02217569
IlergetesTribeCatalan_I3320


6.41493570
R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


7.22570412
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208


7.22570412
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208


7.24944825
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892


7.27760263
ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977


7.38375921
R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.99233383
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852


8.55661732
IlercavonesCatalan_I3321


8.79180300
LBA_ElSotillo_Alava_I2469


8.84762115
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895


8.91707351
I2215_Malak_Preslavets


9.16251603
R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella


9.30830812
I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy


9.65871109
MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649


9.88438668
EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981


9.93942151
EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585


10.17689540
VasconicTribe_I8209


10.17689540
I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1


10.23212099
VisigothIberianGirona_I12034


10.39308905
PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12516


10.41494119
Pre-RomanGirona_I3324


10.42269159
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3759


10.58412963
IronAgeCatalan_I12640





14.0
I1296_Malak_Preslavets





11.4
IlergetesTribeCatalan_I12878





11.2
IberianElArgarBronzeAge_I8136





10.8
CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457





9.0
I8211_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1





7.6
IlercavonesCatalan_I3321





5.4
Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge





5.0
GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_I10866





2.6
Falkenstein_Mesolithic_Germany





2.6
I1949_GD37_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic





2.2
R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia





2.2
R6_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza





1.8
CeltiberianMixTribeNorthernSpain_I3238





1.6
I1685_Natufian_Nat4_Raqefet_Cave_Israel





1.4
TartessianArchaicAndalusia_I12561





1.4
I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1





1.4
Brillenhohle_Magdalenian_Germany





1.2
NorthAlpineSouthDutch_AITI_50





1.2
IronAgeHinxton1_Celt_ERS389795





0.8
I8202_NE_Iberia_RomP_Empuries1





0.6
CL146





0.6
IberiaBronzeAge_ATP9





0.6
R80_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis





0.6
I1290_GD13A_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic





0.6
I1416_AG83/1_Early_MPPNB_Ain_Ghazal_Jordan





0.4
VasconicTribe_I8209





0.4
CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41





0.4
R132_Imperial_Era__Marcellino_&_Pietro





0.4
I3151_Trypillia





0.2
ASH2-3_Iron_Age1





0.2
Continenza_Mesolithic_Italy





0.2
I2433_Globular_Amphora




Sorry, I don't quite understand. What's nonsense about a Spaniard getting matches with a lot of Bronze and Iron Age Spanish samples?

If you're talking about the second graph, which is like an admixture chart, I don't pay any attention to that, because like a lot of such analyses it mixes people from sometimes wildly different eras. If you're going to do it, at least do it at .25x and .50x.

As for your best "Roman" sample from Antonio et al, looks to me like a Spaniard who went to Rome in the early Medieval period. The authors of that paper totally ignored the fact that not all the samples from a major international city, like, say, today's New York, are going to be locals, and the same is true for a Medieval pilgrimage site.



Distance to:
R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


5.07975393
Galicia


5.33575674
Baleares


6.34399716
Cataluna


6.67958831
Extremadura


7.09184743
Spaniards


7.72128875
Castilla_Y_Leon


7.99059447
Portuguese


8.22842026
Spanish


8.89248559
Murcia


8.96985507
Cantabria


9.44101181
Italy_Aosta_Valley


9.59939061
Castilla_La_Mancha


9.82168519
Valencia


10.44232254
Andalucia


10.73161218
Aragon


11.82577957
Swiss_Italian


12.41785408
French


12.68400883
Italy_Trentino


12.96788340
French


13.24715205
Italy_Lombardy


13.53898423
Italy_Piedmont


13.88042867
Canarias


15.10681559
Italy_Veneto


15.34781066
Italy_Liguria


16.08108488
Italy_Emilia

torzio
08-02-20, 20:08
running all above with max output of 4




Distance to:
BelunPk12b



2.85040348
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


2.89129729
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


2.95218563
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


3.00813896
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge





Distance to:
TrentinoCles



2.53333772
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


2.88975778
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


3.48031608
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


3.75795157
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro





Distance to:
Torziok12b



1.89726118
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.40054542
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


4.63928874
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


4.65249395
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia




Distance to:
PonzanoK12b



2.96722092
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.88872171
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.02758391
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


5.03138152
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto





only sample that is in the top for all of the above
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge



I4331, I4332, Early/Middle Bronze Age, 1700-1500 BCE


http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616

I4331
mtDNA: I1a1
Y-DNA: J2b2a

data from these companies
BelunPk12b .............myHeritage
TrentinoCles .............Ancestry
Torziok12b...............ftdna bigy .................i have 23andme v3 but never use it
PonzanoK12b ...........23andme v4

all different companies ............results are similar for the bulk

Dou
08-02-20, 22:43
Sorry, I don't quite understand. What's nonsense about a Spaniard getting matches with a lot of Bronze and Iron Age Spanish samples?


Well, no old sample really stands out for me since only one is less than 6.0, if they are Spanish samples of the bronze or iron age it is even more strange. That they are old is no excuse since one has obtained a distance of 1.8 with an old sample in this same thread.

To compare from Global25 (mine):


[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE:I10895 ITA_Etruscan:RMPR473
0.1725485 0.1767569
Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE:I10892 Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE:I10853
0.1885524 0.2103521
ITA_Collegno_MA:CL23 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I3594
0.2113906 0.2229933
ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA:RMPR435b Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE:I3982
0.2244037 0.2286416
ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR33 ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA:RMPR1021
0.2337627 0.2363535
Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I12514 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL36
0.2425407 0.2449306
Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I12515 ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR1287
0.2464224 0.2472590
ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA:RMPR851 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL94
0.2502159 0.2516029
ITA_Proto-Villanovan:RMPR1 ITA_Rome_Renaissance:RMPR1221
0.2522915 0.2571848
HRV_IA:I3313 Levant_LBN_MA_Mixed:SI-41
0.2620630 0.2622670
ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR105 HUN_BA:I7040
0.2651754 0.2656181
ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR61 Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3585
0.2686559 0.2688010
TZA_Zanzibar_Euro_outlier:I0588 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5524
0.2720257 0.2721195
Bell_Beaker_ITA:I2478 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7498
0.2730165 0.2733715
Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3582 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7425
0.2745505 0.2764634
ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5520
0.2796230 0.2823384
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:E09538 Iberia_North_IA:I3758
0.2824199 0.2837728
DEU_Roman:FN_2 ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR1285
0.2847420 0.2862429
Iberia_North_BA:I2471 Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES:I7673
0.2865519 0.2908969
ITA_Collegno_MA:CL57 Iberia_East_IA:I12879
0.2925645 0.2928361
HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ28 Iberia_Southeast_BA:I8570
0.2937090 0.2945658
DEU_Lech_EBA:POST_44 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR113
0.2960743 0.2973096
ITA_Rome_Renaissance:RMPR1224 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL121
0.2994411 0.2998483
HRV_EBA:I3499 Bell_Beaker_FRA_C:I3874
0.3009950 0.3015427
DEU_Lech_BBC:UNTA58_68Sk1 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany:DA111
0.3022913 0.3026153
HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ43 DEU_Lech_MBA:OTTM_151ind2_d
0.3045094 0.3070668
Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES:I3777 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR109
0.3086649 0.3088576
Bell_Beaker_CZE:I4885 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR121
0.3103901 0.3115959
ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR110 ITA_Rome_Renaissance:RMPR1220
0.3133496 0.3145997
Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA:I2364 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR122
0.3151666 0.3153094
ITA_Etruscan:RMPR474b Iberia_East_IA:I3320
0.3159193 0.3169921
ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR36 ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR1283
0.3175201 0.3175374
HRV_MBA:I4331 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ45
0.3177672 0.3180975
Scythian_MDA:scy197 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7424
0.3192053 0.3199015
Scythian_HUN:DA198 Iberia_North_IA:I3759
0.3209003 0.3219891
Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8209 ITA_Etruscan_o:RMPR475b
0.3220233 0.3223616
DEU_Welzin_BA_outlier3:WEZ57 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8203
0.3226810 0.3238873
HUN_BA_o:SZ1 Iberia_East_IA:I3322
0.3240741 0.3255104
ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR120 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7457
0.3273973 0.3287644
ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR52 ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR60
0.3293342 0.3296483
ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR63 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR108
0.3296847 0.3304694
Bell_Beaker_Iberia:I6623 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL63
0.3309592 0.3339177
ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR1289 Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3581
0.3378787 0.3381878
ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR57 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12034
0.3407550 0.3435855
Levant_LBN_MA_Euro:SI-40 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I6624
0.3438968 0.3439200
HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ36 HUN_BA:I7043
0.3440262 0.3444198
HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ37 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ32
0.3446201 0.3446288
Iberia_Southwest_BA_Afr:I7162 Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3576
0.3462470 0.3481279
ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR107 Iberia_North_BA:I2470
0.3484709 0.3484796
Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12031 Iberia_Northeast_RomP:I8339
0.3495697 0.3498900

Duarte
09-02-20, 12:02
Dear Dou.
I am not an expert in distance calculations, but the fact is that different calculators provide different distances. MTA considers that distances up to 10 are from individuals who are their ancestors, from 11 to 20 of individuals who are part of your ancestry, and from 21 to 30 of individuals who are possibly related to your ancestry. Maciamo Hey considers distances of 7 as a strong indication of ancestry. I have noticed that the south Italians and Italians of the northeast are the ones that present the shortest distances in relation to ancestral populations. Perhaps this is an indication that in these regions the genetic changes have been smaller in relation to the modern population. The Middle Ages were quite tumultuous in the Iberian Peninsula from the arrival of the Moors in the 8th century until the completion of the reconquest at the end of the 15th century. Population movements were immense during this period. The expulsion of the Moors was not a successful operation in much of Spain (see the following excerpt from the English wikipedia). Portugal, with the advent of colonization, suffered a large population deficit in Minho, Douro and Alentejo. Migrants from other regions of Europe helped to overcome the lack of local labor and, in the Sado region, Alentejo, African slaves were recruited.

Cheers :)

Expulsion of the Moriscos:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos

“Numbers and success of the expulsion
It is very difficult to gauge the success of the expulsion in purging Spain of its Morisco population, a topic which has been recently subject to a rather intense academic reassessment. Even estimates on the number of Moriscos present in Spain prior to expulsion vary, ranging from numbers based on records of expulsion orders such as those of Lynch and Lapeyre (around 300,000)[20] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos#cite_note-lyn47-20) to more recent estimates of up to one million.[16] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos#cite_note-Stallaert,_C._1998-16)
Equally, traditional Spanish historiography and early studies which drew heavily from it paint a picture of a very well run affair which succeeded in channeling the vast majority of Moriscos (around 270,000) out of the country in a short period of time. As a result, early estimates of Moriscos who succeeded in remaining in the country after the expulsion were judged to be as low as 15,000.[20] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos#cite_note-lyn47-20)
However, a number of recent investigative studies have been challenging the traditional discourse on the supposed success of the expulsion in purging Spain of its Morisco population. Indeed, a number of modern studies have concluded that expulsion met widely differing levels of success, particularly between the two major Spanish crowns of Castile and Aragon.
One of the earliest anglophone re-examinations of Morisco expulsion was carried out by Trevor J. Dadson in 2007. Dadson estimates that as much as 40% of Moriscos (around 200,000) never left the country and up to an additional 70,000 of those expelled, managed to return. A significant section of his work is devoted to the example of Villarubia de los Ojos in southern Castille. The Morisco population of this town, that perhaps they were not authentic Moriscos but had been classified as Moriscos to appropriate their property, was the target of three expulsions which they managed to avoid or from which they succeeded in returning from to their town of origin, being protected and hidden by their non-Morisco neighbours. Dadson provides numerous examples, of similar incidents throughout Spain whereby Moriscos were protected and supported by non-Moriscos and returned en masse from North Africa, Portugal or France to their towns of origin.[4] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos#cite_note-bibliotecaspublicas.es-4)
A similar study on the expulsion in Andalusia concluded it was an inefficient operation which was significantly reduced in its severity by resistance to the measure among local authorities and populations. It further highlights the constant flow of returnees from North Africa, creating a dilemma for the local inquisition who did not know how to deal with those who had been given no choice but to convert to Islam during their stay in Muslim lands as a result of the Royal Decree. Upon the coronation of Felipe IV, the new king gave the order to desist from attempting to impose measures on returnees and in September 1628 the Council of the Supreme Inquisition ordered inquisitors in Seville not to prosecute expelled Moriscos "unless they cause significant commotion."[21] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos#cite_note-21)
An investigation published in 2012 sheds light on the thousands of Moriscos who remained in the province of Granada alone, surviving both the initial expulsion to other parts of Spain in 1571 and the final expulsion of 1604. These Moriscos managed to evade in various ways the royal decrees, hiding their true origin thereafter. More surprisingly, by the 17th and 18th centuries much of this group accumulated great wealth by controlling the silk trade and also holding about a hundred public offices. Most of these lineages were nevertheless completely assimilated over generations despite their endogamic practices. A compact core of active crypto-Muslims was prosecuted by the Inquisition in 1727, receiving comparatively light sentences. These convicts kept alive their identity until the late 18th century.[22] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos#cite_note-22)
Besides, officially a large quantity of Moriscos of the Catalan Low Ebro (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebro) where excluded from expulsion and remained in their villages and towns, as well as some other expelled who returned, given the fact that they were very well integrated into Catalan Christian society, on the contrary to those in Aragon, Valencia and even to the Moriscos of the Catalan Low Segre (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segre_(river)).[23] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos#cite_note-Lapeyre-23)”

“Expulsion of Moriscos and population genetics

Spain's Morisco population was the last population who self-identified and traced its roots to the various waves of Muslim conquerors from North Africa. Modern population genetics generally assume Moriscos to have had both significant Iberian and North African ancestry, even if, after centuries of presence and intermarriage in the Iberian peninsula they were unlikely to differ significantly in ethnic terms from the wider Spanish population. For this reason, studies in population genetics which aim to ascertain Morisco ancestry in modern populations search for Iberian or European genetic markers among contemporary Morisco descendants in North Africa,[24] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos#cite_note-ReferenceA-24) and for North African genetic markers among modern day Spaniards.[7] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos#cite_note-Susan_M_2008-7) A wide number of recent genetic studies of modern-day Spanish and Portuguese populations have ascertained an unusually high level of North African admixture as compared to the rest of the European continent, approximately 5% of Spaniards have E-M81 Y-haplogroup, which is the characteristic haplogroup of the white population of North Africa or Berber which is generally attributed to Islamic rule and settlement of the Iberian peninsula.[25] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos#cite_note-PNAS2013-25) Common North African genetic markers which are relatively high frequencies in the Iberian peninsula as compared to the rest of the European continent are Y-chromosome E1b1b1b1(E-M81)[26] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos#cite_note-adams2008-26)[27] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos#cite_note-capelli2009-27) and MtDna Haplogroups L and U6.[citation needed (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]Studies coincide that North African admixture tends to increase in the South and West of the peninsula, peaking in parts of Andalusia,[28] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos#cite_note-28)Extremadura and North West Castile.[citation needed (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] Distribution of North African markers are largely absent from the northeast of Spain as well as the Basque country.[7] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos#cite_note-Susan_M_2008-7) The uneven distribution of admixture in Spain has been explained by the extent and intensity of Islamic colonization in a given area, but also by the varying levels of success in attempting to expel the Moriscos in different regions of Spain,[7] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos#cite_note-Susan_M_2008-7) as well as forced and voluntary morisco population movements during the 16th and 17th centuries.[29] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos#cite_note-AJPA2010-29)
As for tracing Morisco descendants in North Africa, to date there have been few genetic studies of populations of Morisco origin in the Maghreb region, although studies of the Moroccan population have not detected significant recent genetic inflow from the Iberian peninsula.[citation needed (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] A recent study of various Tunisian ethnic groups has found that all were indigenous North African, including those who self-identified as Andalusians.[24] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos#cite_note-ReferenceA-24)”

Cris
09-02-20, 13:27
Me



Distance to:
Cris


3.08588723
R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio


3.64443411
CL36


3.84096342
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


4.13772885
SZ36


4.57340136
SZ43


4.59629198
SZ31


4.81472741
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192


5.43058929
ScythianMoldova_SCY300


5.45519935
CL23


5.51555981
R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


5.75796839
R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


6.24899992
R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


6.34505319
R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


6.55944357
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


7.31306365
R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


7.34382734
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


7.53980769
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


7.62713577
SZ37


7.69145630
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197


7.81295079
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.98225532
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


8.00696572
R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


8.43250259
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.49685236
R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


8.54085476
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.62042342
SZ28


8.63141356
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.65963625
R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo


8.82138311
R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


8.94691008
R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


8.94862559
R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


9.23064461
Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge


9.25322646
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge


9.46960928
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647


9.49497235
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


9.60703909
CL121


9.73763318
SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515


9.87030901
R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


9.97369540
CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41


10.00551348
SZ1


10.37804413
R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


10.39156389
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


10.60230635
IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498


10.66012195
R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


10.86311650
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


11.28600461
R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


11.35455415
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


11.36385498
R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


11.51601928
I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy


11.52752358
R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


11.72699024
CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53


11.80939033
I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge


11.85892913
LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3581


12.01290140
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12644


12.18379662
LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576


12.22534253
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305


12.31035743
R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


12.43470949
PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12516


12.43764849
R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


12.47328345
SZ40



My father



ance to:
R


2.31231486
SZ36


2.64210144
SZ31


3.65517441
CL36


4.38810893
R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio


4.44244302
ScythianMoldova_SCY300


4.48075886
SZ43


4.75121037
SZ37


4.77727956
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192


4.93945341
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


5.92184093
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


6.54383680
R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


6.77214885
CL23


6.79253266
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197


6.80238194
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


6.89327934
R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


7.28193656
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.35707822
R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


7.56400026
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


7.89228737
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.10115424
SZ1


8.23665587
R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


8.31322440
R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo


8.37486716
R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


8.38998808
R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


8.60088949
SZ28


8.73870128
R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


8.94750244
R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


9.24319750
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


9.39954254
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305


9.40642334
R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


9.50494608
R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


9.97185539
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


9.98261990
R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


10.50689298
Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge


10.52640014
CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53


10.67944287
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


10.80379563
R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


10.93032021
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


11.00753833
R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


11.03906699
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


11.10504390
CL121


11.11533175
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge


11.50884877
CL49


11.65652607
R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


11.96119559
R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


12.13247708
R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


12.16270940
R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


12.24041257
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


12.25901709
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647


12.27378507
I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge


12.37654637
R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


12.61248191
SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515


12.61421817
R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


12.71691393
I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy


12.76226077
IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498


12.90326703
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


13.18335314
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


13.21174856
R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


13.24511231
CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41


13.29071857
R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia



My mother



Distance to:
S


2.88882329
R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio


3.17130888
SZ36


3.18626741
CL36


4.07612561
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


4.24293530
SZ31


4.50363187
ScythianMoldova_SCY300


4.53321078
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192


5.28071965
SZ43


5.89844047
R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


6.01418324
CL23


6.34981890
SZ37


6.56880507
R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


6.78795256
R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


7.04606273
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


7.13773774
R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo


7.28385887
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.67028683
R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


7.98259356
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


7.98716470
R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


8.02082913
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197


8.24172919
R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


8.48862769
R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


8.49162529
R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


8.55114612
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.58980209
R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


8.71608857
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.82194423
SZ1


8.84709557
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


8.84783589
R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


8.96010045
R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


9.32187213
SZ28


9.41667139
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


9.52474147
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


9.81495797
CL121


9.91983367
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


10.55326490
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305


10.58652918
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


10.60812896
Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge


10.69788297
CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53


10.87427699
R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


11.17228267
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647


11.18555318
R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


11.19276552
R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


11.20393235
SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515


11.24333580
R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


11.30382236
R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


11.31675749
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge


11.70965841
R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


11.72238030
CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41


11.75479902
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


11.76541117
IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498


12.06424055
R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


12.45214439
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


12.61743635
R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


12.79907028
R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


12.81322754
Scythian_SCY311


12.89416922
CL49


12.91482481
R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


12.92041408
R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


13.00159221
SZ40

Dou
09-02-20, 14:35
Dear Dou.
I am not an expert in distance calculations, but the fact is that different calculators provide different distances. MTA considers that distances up to 10 are from individuals who are their ancestors, from 11 to 20 of individuals who are part of your ancestry, and from 21 to 30 of individuals who are possibly related to your ancestry. Maciamo Hey considers distances of 7 as a strong indication of ancestry. I have noticed that the south Italians and Italians of the northeast are the ones that present the shortest distances in relation to ancestral populations. Perhaps this is an indication that in these regions the genetic changes have been smaller in relation to the modern population. The Middle Ages were quite tumultuous in the Iberian Peninsula from the arrival of the Moors in the 8th century until the completion of the reconquest at the end of the 14th century. Population movements were immense during this period. The expulsion of the Moors was not a successful operation in much of Spain (see the following excerpt from the English wikipedia). Portugal, with the advent of colonization, suffered a large population deficit in Minho, Douro and Alentejo. Migrants from other regions of Europe helped to overcome the lack of local labor and, in the Sado region, Alentejo, African slaves were recruited.
Cheers :)


So I only have distances of 7 (real ancestry) with Spanish or pseudo-Roman samples in this calculator, but that contradicts what MTA tells me, giving G25 the reason. For example, according to the criteria used in MTA the true ancestry (redundant, lol) is up to 10 since that means that I clearly have closeness to the Italian samples of the iron and Roman ages. Half of my ancestry consists basically of Etruscans, Iberians, Gallo-Romans and Romans of Hispania.

What should I trust having these results? For me, this calculator needs to add more samples or directly use another one.

https://i.postimg.cc/zB00TFkP/IMG-20200107-171306.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/PJJKyv3f/IMG-20200107-171131.jpg

Duarte
09-02-20, 15:06
So I only have distances of 7 (real ancestry) with Spanish or pseudo-Roman samples in this calculator, but that contradicts what MTA tells me, giving G25 the reason. For example, according to the criteria used in MTA the true ancestry (redundant, lol) is up to 10 since that means that I clearly have closeness to the Italian samples of the iron and Roman ages. Half of my ancestry consists basically of Etruscans, Iberians, Gallo-Romans and Romans of Hispania.

What should I trust having these results? For me, this calculator needs to add more samples or directly use another one.

https://i.postimg.cc/zB00TFkP/IMG-20200107-171306.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/PJJKyv3f/IMG-20200107-171131.jpg

Hi Dou.
From the results displayed by the MTA to the Iberians you can infer the following.: Gallo-Romans are Romanized Celtiberians. Visigoths are Germanized Celtiberians, with much greater Iberian ancestry than Germanic ancestry. Al-Andalusians are Islamized Iberian / Celtiberians, with some Arab / Berber ancestry. Hispanic Romans are Romanized Iberian / Celtiberians. Finally, the Etruscans, genetically, are between the Nothwest Italians and the Iberians.In short, you are more Iberian than ever. Think about that.
Cheers:)

Angela
09-02-20, 16:22
Well, no old sample really stands out for me since only one is less than 6.0, if they are Spanish samples of the bronze or iron age it is even more strange. That they are old is no excuse since one has obtained a distance of 1.8 with an old sample in this same thread.

To compare from Global25 (mine):


[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE:I10895 ITA_Etruscan:RMPR473
0.1725485 0.1767569
Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE:I10892 Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE:I10853
0.1885524 0.2103521
ITA_Collegno_MA:CL23 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I3594
0.2113906 0.2229933
ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA:RMPR435b Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE:I3982
0.2244037 0.2286416
ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR33 ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA:RMPR1021
0.2337627 0.2363535
Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I12514 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL36
0.2425407 0.2449306
Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I12515 ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR1287
0.2464224 0.2472590
ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA:RMPR851 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL94
0.2502159 0.2516029
ITA_Proto-Villanovan:RMPR1 ITA_Rome_Renaissance:RMPR1221
0.2522915 0.2571848
HRV_IA:I3313 Levant_LBN_MA_Mixed:SI-41
0.2620630 0.2622670
ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR105 HUN_BA:I7040
0.2651754 0.2656181
ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR61 Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3585
0.2686559 0.2688010
TZA_Zanzibar_Euro_outlier:I0588 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5524
0.2720257 0.2721195
Bell_Beaker_ITA:I2478 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7498
0.2730165 0.2733715
Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3582 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7425
0.2745505 0.2764634
ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5520
0.2796230 0.2823384
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:E09538 Iberia_North_IA:I3758
0.2824199 0.2837728
DEU_Roman:FN_2 ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR1285
0.2847420 0.2862429
Iberia_North_BA:I2471 Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES:I7673
0.2865519 0.2908969
ITA_Collegno_MA:CL57 Iberia_East_IA:I12879
0.2925645 0.2928361
HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ28 Iberia_Southeast_BA:I8570
0.2937090 0.2945658
DEU_Lech_EBA:POST_44 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR113
0.2960743 0.2973096
ITA_Rome_Renaissance:RMPR1224 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL121
0.2994411 0.2998483
HRV_EBA:I3499 Bell_Beaker_FRA_C:I3874
0.3009950 0.3015427
DEU_Lech_BBC:UNTA58_68Sk1 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany:DA111
0.3022913 0.3026153
HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ43 DEU_Lech_MBA:OTTM_151ind2_d
0.3045094 0.3070668
Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES:I3777 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR109
0.3086649 0.3088576
Bell_Beaker_CZE:I4885 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR121
0.3103901 0.3115959
ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR110 ITA_Rome_Renaissance:RMPR1220
0.3133496 0.3145997
Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA:I2364 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR122
0.3151666 0.3153094
ITA_Etruscan:RMPR474b Iberia_East_IA:I3320
0.3159193 0.3169921
ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR36 ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR1283
0.3175201 0.3175374
HRV_MBA:I4331 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ45
0.3177672 0.3180975
Scythian_MDA:scy197 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7424
0.3192053 0.3199015
Scythian_HUN:DA198 Iberia_North_IA:I3759
0.3209003 0.3219891
Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8209 ITA_Etruscan_o:RMPR475b
0.3220233 0.3223616
DEU_Welzin_BA_outlier3:WEZ57 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8203
0.3226810 0.3238873
HUN_BA_o:SZ1 Iberia_East_IA:I3322
0.3240741 0.3255104
ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR120 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7457
0.3273973 0.3287644
ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR52 ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR60
0.3293342 0.3296483
ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR63 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR108
0.3296847 0.3304694
Bell_Beaker_Iberia:I6623 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL63
0.3309592 0.3339177
ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR1289 Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3581
0.3378787 0.3381878
ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR57 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12034
0.3407550 0.3435855
Levant_LBN_MA_Euro:SI-40 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I6624
0.3438968 0.3439200
HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ36 HUN_BA:I7043
0.3440262 0.3444198
HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ37 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ32
0.3446201 0.3446288
Iberia_Southwest_BA_Afr:I7162 Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3576
0.3462470 0.3481279
ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR107 Iberia_North_BA:I2470
0.3484709 0.3484796
Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12031 Iberia_Northeast_RomP:I8339
0.3495697 0.3498900

Sorry, but if that is supposed to represent total genomic distance there is no way in hell that anyone could be this close to ancient samples. People aren't that close to modern samples from their own countries.

Also, I thought mta was using a version of K15, not Global 25. They certainly don't come up with distances this small.

This criticism is not directed at you. It's directed at this program.

Dou
09-02-20, 16:32
^^Duarte Of course, and the Celtiberians are nothing more than Iberians with supposed Celtic ancestry. And the tartessos disappeared from the map.

The only interesting thing would be to determine the amount of ancestry of the Roman era that I have, this calculator is also useless to differentiate this type of thing. In general the use of old samples stinks.

To confirm what I already know, I see my ID or open a history book to learn more.


Sorry, but if that is supposed to represent total genomic distance there is no way in hell that anyone could be this close to ancient samples. People aren't that close to modern samples from their own countries.

Also, I thought mta was using a version of K15, not Global 25. They certainly don't come up with distances this small.

This criticism is not directed at you. It's directed at this program.

I agree.

Jovialis
09-02-20, 19:22
^^Duarte Of course, and the Celtiberians are nothing more than Iberians with supposed Celtic ancestry. And the tartessos disappeared from the map.
The only interesting thing would be to determine the amount of ancestry of the Roman era that I have, this calculator is also useless to differentiate this type of thing. In general the use of old samples stinks.
To confirm what I already know, I see my ID or open a history book to learn more.


I agree.

The sample set is always growing. In fact, I plan on making a huge update sometime soon. This is far from complete. I intend on adding another 300+ samples. Though, it will not focus on Spain, but there are some from that region. I won't say which study yet, because I want it to be a surprise.

Also, you can prune the samples, by era to get further insights.

Duarte
09-02-20, 21:24
^^Duarte Of course, and the Celtiberians are nothing more than Iberians with supposed Celtic ancestry. And the tartessos disappeared from the map.

The only interesting thing would be to determine the amount of ancestry of the Roman era that I have, this calculator is also useless to differentiate this type of thing. In general the use of old samples stinks.

To confirm what I already know, I see my ID or open a history book to learn more.



I agree.


I give you reason, partly Dou.
The only certainty I have is that I am Brazilian and you, that you are Spanish. It's in my ID and in my passport. Inferring ancestral origins is not an easy task. It gets harder depending so long you want to get back in the past. History is fundamental in this process. In fact, it is indispensable. Without historians and history books it would be almost impossible to understand what auDNA, yDNA and mtDNA are trying to tell us.
Cheers :)

bigsnake49
10-02-20, 00:47
Sorry, but if that is supposed to represent total genomic distance there is no way in hell that anyone could be this close to ancient samples. People aren't that close to modern samples from their own countries.

Also, I thought mta was using a version of K15, not Global 25. They certainly don't come up with distances this small.

This criticism is not directed at you. It's directed at this program.

There has to be a standard definition of genetic distance used by all these calculators. Otherwise they are worthless.

bigsnake49
10-02-20, 00:49
It does seem that Italians are the least affected by time and invaders than any other area.

torzio
10-02-20, 07:01
Hi Dou.
From the results displayed by the MTA to the Iberians you can infer the following.: Gallo-Romans are Romanized Celtiberians. Visigoths are Germanized Celtiberians, with much greater Iberian ancestry than Germanic ancestry. Al-Andalusians are Islamized Iberian / Celtiberians, with some Arab / Berber ancestry. Hispanic Romans are Romanized Iberian / Celtiberians. Finally, the Etruscans, genetically, are between the Nothwest Italians and the Iberians.In short, you are more Iberian than ever. Think about that.
Cheers:)

it is weird that there are no Ostrogoths in MTA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostrogothic_Kingdom

Clearly the tribe that destroyed the western Roman empire ( as well as the Vandals ) is missing

torzio
10-02-20, 07:09
Interesting is that they mark sample R1 as Gallo-Roman

and

Vucedol as Gallo-Roman ( sample I3499 )

Scythian Scy300 is also noted Gallo-Roman

Scy192 as Illyrian

I am not even sure if they have aligned the description with the sample ID's

Dou
10-02-20, 10:05
It does seem that Italians are the least affected by time and invaders than any other area.

If something characterizes the Italians it is the little mixture "of other parts", they are like the Basques. As we have seen in many other calculators.

lacreme
10-02-20, 14:05
My Greek friend's results



Distance to:
Chris


4.28588381
CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53


5.05022772
R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


5.34406213
R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.56840193
R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.62346868
R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina


5.64285389
R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


5.82512661
R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese


6.08613999
R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.12218915
R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.29856333
R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.30786018
R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


6.48573049
R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


6.92205172
R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.97249597
CL110


6.99639907
R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.29782844
R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


7.37931569
R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


7.43180328
R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.46902939
R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.91697543
R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS


8.10577572
R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


8.11352574
R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


8.19114766
R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio


8.21347673
R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


8.26273562
R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


8.31496843
R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce


8.39031585
R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


8.43552014
R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


8.56914815
R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


8.84167405
R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


8.95088264
R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


8.95756105
CL121


9.02840517
R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


9.02989479
R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


9.06676348
R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


9.30049999
R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


9.39606833
R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo


9.50450420
CL25


9.66113347
SZ40


9.91295112
R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


9.98170827
R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


10.02900294
R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


10.08904852
R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata


10.97048313
CL38


11.48795456
R850_Iron_Age_Ardea


11.49811289
R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo


11.54598199
R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


11.74759124
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192


11.76225744
R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


11.77427705
R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


11.88175492
SZ37


11.93876459
R123_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce


12.01854817
R133__Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


12.14137966
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305


12.23118555
R1545_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese


12.27457942
R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


12.54284657
R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio


12.56879867
SZ36


12.59454247
CL30


12.63040775
R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


12.69951968
SZ31


12.75455213
R1543_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese


12.77308107
SZ19


12.83268873
R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


12.84638471
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197


13.36355117
R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


13.49163815
R134_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


13.56214953
R81_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis


13.59149734
ScythianMoldova_SCY300


13.65924961
R66_Imperial_Era_ANAS


13.97759278
R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


14.17488977
R40_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


14.35786196
R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


14.41206439
I1632_AR1/46_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia


14.91044265
I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2


15.08042440
CL36


15.41957522
SZ43


15.49610274
I1631_AR1/43c_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia


15.53417201
I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese


15.56011889
R41_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


15.77763290
R128_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce


15.84724266
I1584_Barcın_Höyük_Chalcolithic


16.06852825
I2499_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta


16.18063349
I2495_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta


16.18529271
R45_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


16.27650147
I1634_AR1/44_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia


16.44747093
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


16.59310098
SZ1


16.89462045
R72_Imperial_Era_ANAS


17.22309496
R75_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis


17.42001435
R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


17.43798727
R73_Imperial_Era_ANAS


18.00203600
R43_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


18.24023849
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


18.30884213
I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis


18.39734220
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


18.43499661
R130_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


18.46374556
I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese


18.90556532
I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese


18.91710866
R80_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis









Target: Chris
Distance: 1.1465% / 1.14653976 | ADC: 0.25x




54.6
CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53





27.0
R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS





8.8
R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna





8.4
I1631_AR1/43c_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia





1.2
SZ20




What kind of ancestry did CrusaderKnight...SI53, CL110,121,25 and SZ40 have ?

Duarte
10-02-20, 14:25
My Greek friend's results



Distance to:
Chris


4.28588381
CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53


5.05022772
R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


5.34406213
R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.56840193
R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.62346868
R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina


5.64285389
R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


5.82512661
R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese


6.08613999
R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.12218915
R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.29856333
R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.30786018
R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


6.48573049
R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


6.92205172
R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.97249597
CL110


6.99639907
R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.29782844
R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


7.37931569
R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


7.43180328
R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.46902939
R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.91697543
R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS


8.10577572
R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


8.11352574
R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


8.19114766
R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio


8.21347673
R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


8.26273562
R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


8.31496843
R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce


8.39031585
R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


8.43552014
R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


8.56914815
R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


8.84167405
R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


8.95088264
R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


8.95756105
CL121


9.02840517
R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


9.02989479
R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


9.06676348
R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


9.30049999
R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


9.39606833
R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo


9.50450420
CL25


9.66113347
SZ40


9.91295112
R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


9.98170827
R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


10.02900294
R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


10.08904852
R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata


10.97048313
CL38


11.48795456
R850_Iron_Age_Ardea


11.49811289
R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo


11.54598199
R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


11.74759124
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192


11.76225744
R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


11.77427705
R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


11.88175492
SZ37


11.93876459
R123_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce


12.01854817
R133__Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


12.14137966
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305


12.23118555
R1545_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese


12.27457942
R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


12.54284657
R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio


12.56879867
SZ36


12.59454247
CL30


12.63040775
R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


12.69951968
SZ31


12.75455213
R1543_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese


12.77308107
SZ19


12.83268873
R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


12.84638471
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197


13.36355117
R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


13.49163815
R134_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


13.56214953
R81_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis


13.59149734
ScythianMoldova_SCY300


13.65924961
R66_Imperial_Era_ANAS


13.97759278
R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


14.17488977
R40_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


14.35786196
R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


14.41206439
I1632_AR1/46_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia


14.91044265
I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2


15.08042440
CL36


15.41957522
SZ43


15.49610274
I1631_AR1/43c_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia


15.53417201
I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese


15.56011889
R41_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


15.77763290
R128_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce


15.84724266
I1584_Barcın_Höyük_Chalcolithic


16.06852825
I2499_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta


16.18063349
I2495_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta


16.18529271
R45_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


16.27650147
I1634_AR1/44_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia


16.44747093
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


16.59310098
SZ1


16.89462045
R72_Imperial_Era_ANAS


17.22309496
R75_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis


17.42001435
R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


17.43798727
R73_Imperial_Era_ANAS


18.00203600
R43_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


18.24023849
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


18.30884213
I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis


18.39734220
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


18.43499661
R130_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


18.46374556
I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese


18.90556532
I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese


18.91710866
R80_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis








Target: Chris
Distance: 1.1465% / 1.14653976 | ADC: 0.25x



54.6
CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53





27.0
R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS





8.8
R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna





8.4
I1631_AR1/43c_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia





1.2
SZ20




What kind of ancestry did CrusaderKnight...SI53, CL110,121,25 and SZ40 have ?

Hi Lacreme
To understand the meaning of these samples, view and interpret the following bar graphs.
Cheers :)

https://i.imgur.com/E4BdIfr.png

https://i.imgur.com/aVdGMBT.png

Angela
10-02-20, 16:38
My Greek friend's results



Distance to:
Chris


4.28588381
CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53


5.05022772
R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


5.34406213
R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.56840193
R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.62346868
R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina


5.64285389
R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


5.82512661
R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese


6.08613999
R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.12218915
R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.29856333
R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.30786018
R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


6.48573049
R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


6.92205172
R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.97249597
CL110


6.99639907
R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.29782844
R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


7.37931569
R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


7.43180328
R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.46902939
R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.91697543
R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS


8.10577572
R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


8.11352574
R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


8.19114766
R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio


8.21347673
R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


8.26273562
R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


8.31496843
R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce


8.39031585
R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


8.43552014
R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


8.56914815
R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


8.84167405
R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


8.95088264
R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


8.95756105
CL121


9.02840517
R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


9.02989479
R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


9.06676348
R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


9.30049999
R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


9.39606833
R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo


9.50450420
CL25


9.66113347
SZ40


9.91295112
R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


9.98170827
R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


10.02900294
R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


10.08904852
R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata


10.97048313
CL38


11.48795456
R850_Iron_Age_Ardea


11.49811289
R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo


11.54598199
R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


11.74759124
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192


11.76225744
R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


11.77427705
R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


11.88175492
SZ37


11.93876459
R123_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce


12.01854817
R133__Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


12.14137966
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305


12.23118555
R1545_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese


12.27457942
R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


12.54284657
R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio


12.56879867
SZ36


12.59454247
CL30


12.63040775
R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


12.69951968
SZ31


12.75455213
R1543_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese


12.77308107
SZ19


12.83268873
R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


12.84638471
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197


13.36355117
R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


13.49163815
R134_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


13.56214953
R81_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis


13.59149734
ScythianMoldova_SCY300


13.65924961
R66_Imperial_Era_ANAS


13.97759278
R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


14.17488977
R40_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


14.35786196
R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


14.41206439
I1632_AR1/46_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia


14.91044265
I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2


15.08042440
CL36


15.41957522
SZ43


15.49610274
I1631_AR1/43c_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia


15.53417201
I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese


15.56011889
R41_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


15.77763290
R128_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce


15.84724266
I1584_Barcın_Höyük_Chalcolithic


16.06852825
I2499_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta


16.18063349
I2495_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta


16.18529271
R45_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


16.27650147
I1634_AR1/44_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia


16.44747093
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


16.59310098
SZ1


16.89462045
R72_Imperial_Era_ANAS


17.22309496
R75_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis


17.42001435
R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


17.43798727
R73_Imperial_Era_ANAS


18.00203600
R43_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


18.24023849
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


18.30884213
I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis


18.39734220
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


18.43499661
R130_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


18.46374556
I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese


18.90556532
I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese


18.91710866
R80_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis








Target: Chris
Distance: 1.1465% / 1.14653976 | ADC: 0.25x



54.6
CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53





27.0
R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS





8.8
R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna





8.4
I1631_AR1/43c_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia





1.2
SZ20




What kind of ancestry did CrusaderKnight...SI53, CL110,121,25 and SZ40 have ?

For further clarity you can go to the vahaduo K12b UPDATED calculator, and in the target area paste in the coordinates for each sample from the list provided by Jovialis in the first post. Then just run it.

For example, your closest sample to the ones from the area of Rome is the following.



Distance to:
R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


1.58242335
Italy_Abruzzo


2.75668750
Italy_Campania


3.45154284
Italy_Apulia


3.51985014
Italy_Sicily


5.79460279
Italy_Calabria


7.33679889
Italy_Marche


7.45086935
Italy_Lazio


8.31078215
Greek


8.78364958
Greek_Crete


9.23015710
Ashkenazy_Jews


9.38600554
Ashkenazi


10.73434209
Crimean_Tatar_Coast


10.78041279
Italy_Romagna


12.60919109
Sephardic_Jews


13.58354519
Albanian_Kosovo


13.74960254
Italy_Tuscany


14.32880721
France_Corsica


14.73088931
Morocco_Jews


14.91488518
Albanian_North


15.22677247
Crimean_Tatar_Mountain


15.46984328
Italy_Emilia


16.36394727
Italy_Liguria


17.16734400
Turk_West_BlackSea


17.42340954
Gagauz


17.46791630
Turk_Northwest



The Northern Italian areas are very far from it, the Southern Italian areas very close. You're a bit closer to the sample than most Greeks.

Carlos
10-02-20, 16:45
Target: Carlos
Distance: 1.0157% / 1.01566926 | ADC: 0.25x



19.8
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892






15.6
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895






13.8
R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna






13.4
Roman-SoldierFN_2






11.4
I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1






10.6
Canarias






10.2
VasconicTribe_I8209






4.6
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120






0.4
Mozabite






0.2
VisigothFrankishGirona_I12032











Target: Carlos
Distance: 0.0698% / 0.06977126



6.8
Valencia





5.4
VisigothFrankishGirona_I12032





5.0
R851_Iron_Age_Ardea





4.2
Andalucia





3.8
IlercavonesCatalan_I3321





3.0
Canarias





3.0
CL92





2.8
IlergetesTribeCatalan_I12878





2.8
AlemannicBavariaBIM_33





2.6
I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1





2.6
I8212_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1_atypical





2.4
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3758





2.0
BronzeAgeEngland_I2462





2.0
I2433_Globular_Amphora





1.6
Sardinian





1.6
VasconicTribe_I8209





1.6
I1295_Malak_Preslavets





1.4
CEU30





1.4
Mozabite





1.4
I8344_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1





1.4
R104_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi





1.4
R18_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado





1.2
French_Basque





1.2
PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12516





1.2
CL93





1.2
I2215_Malak_Preslavets





1.2
IronAgeHinxton1_Celt_ERS389795





1.0
Castilla_La_Mancha





1.0
Spaniards





1.0
CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457





1.0
ASH2-3_Iron_Age1





1.0
I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily





1.0
ZHAG_Boncuklu_Aceramic





1.0
I2405_Globular_Amphora





1.0
BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047





0.8
Moroccans





0.8
SZ31





0.8
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_119





0.8
R16_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado





0.8
I2110_Trypillia





0.6
Baleares





0.6
Cornwall





0.6
English





0.6
German





0.6
Moroccan





0.6
Norwegian





0.6
SZ3





0.6
R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis





0.4
Adygei





0.4
Algerian





0.4
Argyll





0.4
Extremadura





0.4
Kent





0.4
Pais_Vasco





0.4
GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_I10866





0.4
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647





0.4
CL63





0.4
CL84





0.4
CL87





0.4
SZ2





0.4
SZ42





0.4
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge





0.4
R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia





0.4
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro





0.4
R19_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado





0.4
R1014_Chalcolithic_Monte_San_Biagio





0.4
I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete





0.4
BerryAuBac_WHG





0.4
I2425_Balkans_Chalcolithic





0.4
I2440_Globular_Amphora





0.4
I2509_Balkans_Chalcolithic





0.4
I3714_Ukraine_Neolithic





0.4
Villabruna





0.2
Belorussian





0.2
British





0.2
Castilla_Y_Leon





0.2
Ethiopian_Jews





0.2
French





0.2
Georgians





0.2
Irish





0.2
Lezgins





0.2
Mixed_Germanic





0.2
Nganassan





0.2
Orcadian





0.2
Orkney





0.2
Sandawe_He





0.2
Selkup





0.2
Sicilian





0.2
Spanish





0.2
Pre-RomanGirona_I3324





0.2
IronAgeCatalan_I12640





0.2
SZ8





0.2
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_78





0.2
R1219_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria





0.2
R31_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto





0.2
R71_Imperial_Era_ANAS





0.2
R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce





0.2
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia





0.2
R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia





0.2
R5_Chalcolithic_Grotta_Continenza





0.2
I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete





0.2
Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge





0.2
I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge





0.2
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge





0.2
I2403_Globular_Amphora





0.2
I2534_Romania_HG





0.2
I5405_Lepenski_Vir





0.2
BOO003_Bolshoy_Ostrov_Murmansk_Russia_3473±87_cal BP






Distance to:
Carlos


3.23232115
R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


3.62042815
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892


4.08279316
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895


4.88591854
CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40


5.00235944
Roman-SoldierFN_2


5.54412301
R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella


5.61196935
R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


5.67985915
I2215_Malak_Preslavets


5.78651017
Galicia


6.03445109
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852


6.55386146
Baleares


6.56836357
I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy


6.75678178
Extremadura


6.80016912
PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12516


7.20074996
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


7.23678105
Portuguese


7.25538421
VasconicTribe_I8209


7.25538421
I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1


7.83411769
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_43


8.00687829
CL94


8.02414481
VisigothIberianGirona_I12034


8.03897382
PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12514


8.17836169
R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


8.31117320
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72


8.51501615
ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977


8.58027389
Castilla_Y_Leon


8.63172636
EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585


8.65401641
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


9.08631939
Bavaria_BB_II5524


9.10872658
R116_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


9.10993963
CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3239


9.14494396
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


9.31870163
I1113_Malak_Preslavets


9.36307108
Cataluna


9.37802218
R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.39497206
R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.40007979
MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649


9.42079614
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10851


9.67607875
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3758


9.74992820
Spaniards


9.79244607
R851_Iron_Age_Ardea


9.80358098
IlergetesTribeCatalan_I3320


9.82258113
Murcia


9.93771100
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


9.98018537
Spanish


10.05859831
BasqueCarolingian_I3777


10.10798199
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_119


10.31501333
R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia


10.40655563
R37_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


10.44744466
EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981


10.52505107
GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_I10866


10.56115997
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120


10.71094300
R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica


10.76935931
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3759


10.88690039
R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


10.89503098
R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima


11.22128780
BronzeAgeEngland_I2462


11.26240649
I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge


11.33116940
Pre-RomanGirona_I3324


11.40614747
CeltiberianMixTribeNorthernSpain_I3238


11.54747591
LBA_ElSotillo_Alava_I2469


11.56124128
N_Italian


11.56908812
IronAgeCatalan_I12640


11.62940669
Cantabria


11.72341674
Andalucia


11.75522012
North_Italian


11.76830914
Canarias


11.78944443
SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515


11.79833039
I1297_Malak_Preslavets


12.14062601
IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498


12.23360536
Castilla_La_Mancha


12.24686899
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208


12.24686899
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208


12.35959142
IlercavonesCatalan_I3321


12.41300930
SZ28


12.42888169
Valencia


12.68043769
French


12.74111063
CL23


12.88074532
RomanEraGirona_I8339


12.88418410
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


12.93327878
CL47


13.00833579
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


13.03174585
R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


13.04423628
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


13.04782741
French


13.06628103
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


13.11199832
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


13.12306748
CL102


13.18797938
BronzeAgeNorthernSpain_I2472


13.25133578
I2181_Balkans_Chalcolithic_outlier


13.37636348
Aragon


13.39109032
R108_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


13.42960908
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647


13.50022222
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12209


13.51744429
CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457


13.56665397
I2111_Trypillia


13.58593390
SZ45


13.96427585
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


13.99189408
IlergetesOutlierCatalan_I12410


14.03243030
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge



My E-V22 could be an early entry or I'm imagining it.

Jovialis
10-02-20, 17:53
I added 43 more samples from Haak et al. 2015 to the main sample list.

New total of samples: 557

macman
11-02-20, 03:32
Target: macman
Distance: 2.7820% / 2.78198012 | ADC: 0.25x

45.8 I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge
24.0 SZ20
16.4 Bul4_Yamnaya_Bulgaria
6.8 I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
6.6 I3714_Ukraine_Neolithic
0.4 I1701¬_AG83_3_Early_MPPNB



What about this I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge sample ? I put these coordinates on Dodecad k12b update it says that closest is Macedonian ?

istance to: I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge
5.56541104 Macedonian
6.87094288 Italy_FriuliVG
8.10062961 Pomak
9.14498223 Italy_Trentino
9.19683098 Albanian_North
9.27223584 Italy_Veneto
9.68632025 Romanians
9.86257066 Gagauz
10.47836819 Albanian_Kosovo
10.59325316 Swiss_Italian
10.71695386 Bosnian
10.93210273 Italy_Piedmont
10.97254301 Croat
11.01249291 Bulgarians
11.14902686 Bulgarian
11.80739203 Italy_Aosta_Valley
12.57357585 Italy_Lombardy
13.31387442 Italy_Liguria
13.71222415 Italy_Emilia
14.56869898 Italy_Tuscany
15.25376675 Italy_Romagna
16.38135526 Hungarians
16.78275406 Italy_Lazio
17.86276849 Italy_Marche
19.30657132 France_Corsica

Jovialis
11-02-20, 16:38
I have now updated the sample list to include the entirety of Haak et al. 2015.

Total number of samples is now 572.

Carlos
11-02-20, 17:49
Target: Carlos
Distance: 0.1438% / 0.14375435


12.6
IlercavonesCatalan_I3321






8.6
AlemannicBavariaBIM_33






8.2
VisigothFrankishGirona_I12032






8.0
IlergetesTribeCatalan_I12878






6.4
I0807_ESP30_Baalberge_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3887-3797_calBCE






6.4
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647






6.0
CL92






5.8
LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576






4.6
I0408_Mina18_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE






3.8
I0108_ROT6_Bell_Beaker_LN_Rothenschirmbach_Germany _2497-2436_calBCE






3.2
R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia






2.6
I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1






2.4
GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_I10866






2.2
CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457






2.2
ASH2-3_Iron_Age1






2.2
I2433_Globular_Amphora






1.6
I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Ru ssia_3305-2925_calBCE






1.6
VasconicTribe_I8209






1.6
I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily






1.2
EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981






1.2
MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649






0.8
I0104_ESP11_Corded_Ware_LN_Esperstedt_Germany_2473-2348_calBCE






0.8
BronzeAgeNorthernSpain_I2472






0.8
R851_Iron_Age_Ardea






0.6
I0410_Troc3_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5178-5066_calBCE






0.6
I0803_EUL41_Unetice_EBA_Eulau_Germany_2115-1996_calBCE






0.6
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3758






0.6
CHV002_Chalmny_Varre_18th-19th






0.4
I0370_SVP10_Yamnaya_Ishkinovka_I_Eastern_Orenburg_ Pre-Ural_steppe_Samara_3500-2700_BCE_Russia






0.4
I2110_Trypillia






0.4
I2425_Balkans_Chalcolithic






0.2
I0412_Troc5_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5310-5206_calBCE






0.2
I0444_SVP58_Yamnaya_Kutuluk_I_Kutuluk_River_Samara _Russia_3335-2881_calBCE






0.2
I0060_ROT3_Bell_Beaker_LN_Rothenschirmbach_Germany _2294-2206_calBCE






0.2
I0047_HAL16_Unetice_EBA_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_2022-1937_calBCE






0.2
R132_Imperial_Era__Marcellino_&_Pietro






0.2
I2215_Malak_Preslavets






0.2
I1944_GD14B_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic






0.2
I1951_GD39_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic






Distance to:
Carlos


3.23232115
R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


3.62042815
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892


4.08279316
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895


4.88591854
CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40


5.00235944
Roman-SoldierFN_2


5.54412301
R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella


5.61196935
R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


5.67985915
I2215_Malak_Preslavets


6.03445109
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852


6.56836357
I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy


6.80016912
PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12516


7.20074996
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


7.25538421
VasconicTribe_I8209


7.25538421
I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1


7.83411769
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_43


8.00687829
CL94


8.02414481
VisigothIberianGirona_I12034


8.03897382
PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12514


8.17836169
R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


8.31117320
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72


8.51501615
ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977


8.63172636
EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585


8.65401641
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


9.08631939
Bavaria_BB_II5524


9.10872658
R116_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis

Jovialis
11-02-20, 17:59
Modern [Gray] and Ancient [Black] West Eurasian samples in Dodecad K12b; PCA generated in Past3 software.

(I'm the red dot)

https://i.imgur.com/ga1LoyX.png

Jovialis
12-02-20, 21:27
22 copper age samples added, from Peqi’in Cave in Upper Galilee, in Harney et al. 2018.

torzio
12-02-20, 22:35
22 copper age samples added, from Peqi’in Cave in Upper Galilee, in Harney et al. 2018.
Thanks the bulk will be ydna T
Lets see if the paper states them correctly as north eastern anatolians

torzio
13-02-20, 01:47
Thanks the bulk will be ydna T
Lets see if the paper states them correctly as north eastern anatolians
A few of these T have snp CTS2214, as per isogg, they are 6600bc from chado-assyrian......T1a1a1b2
Also found as the same markers on the atlantic coast morocco at Kelif el Boroud neolithic sample and Galicia iberia

Jovialis
13-02-20, 21:31
55 Iberian samples by Duarte, added today:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/39648-NEW!-All-Gedmatch-calculators-on-Vahaduo-ON-LINE/page31?p=597058&viewfull=1#post597058

Grand total of samples is now 649

torzio
14-02-20, 02:56
my results with the master list



Distance to:
Torziok12b


1.89726118
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.40054542
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


4.63928874
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


4.65249395
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


4.82277928
CL23


4.86300319
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


5.02880702
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.21492090
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


6.00532264
SZ28


6.60955369
CL49


6.88000000
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


6.93799683
CL94


7.28685117
R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


7.57478052
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


7.62312272
CL57


7.70831369
CL36


7.72828571
CL47


7.79092421
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


7.88022842
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.89459942
Bavaria_BB_II5524


7.93197958
SZ45


8.04563857
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


8.04795626
I3866_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


8.04854024
SZ43


8.12515231
SZ27







Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 0.7405% / 0.74050663 | ADC: 0.5x



83.8
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna






7.0
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120






5.0
SZ27






4.2
I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP

torzio
14-02-20, 02:58
my father results

results with the master list



Distance to:
PonzanoK12b


2.96722092
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.88872171
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.02758391
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


5.03138152
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


5.17989382
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.65693380
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


5.67751706
CL49


5.88861614
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.95225167
SZ28


6.03410308
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


6.08940063
CL47


6.10329419
CL23


6.23568761
I3866_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


6.37341353
CL94


6.61260161
SZ45


7.01978632
R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


7.19994444
R108_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


7.20488029
Bavaria_BB_II5524


7.21248917
CL57


7.22930840
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


7.42829052
R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


7.88196676
I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.10768771
CL102


8.27916059
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


8.36763407
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10851




my first cousin
results with the master list

Distance to:
TrentinoCles


2.53333772
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


2.88975778
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


3.48031608
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


3.75795157
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


3.85072720
SZ28


4.27906532
SZ43


5.06032608
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.88459005
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


6.05645936
CL36


6.11802256
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.50109222
CL23


6.53108720
SZ31


7.26898205
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197


7.82710036
ScythianMoldova_SCY300


7.89238874
CL49


7.97467241
SZ36


8.36254148
Bavaria_BB_II5524


8.43631436
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.58509755
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


8.78997156
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192


9.10143395
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


9.24717795
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


9.46118914
R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio


9.51338005
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


9.55524987
SZ37

kuzmosi
14-02-20, 08:22
Thank you for this fantastic tool. Please help me. How can I use this (Dodecad K12b ancient) to know my results? I'm on the Gedmatch, but I'm an anti-talent with informathic.

mha
14-02-20, 10:36
Thank you for this fantastic tool. Please help me. How can I use this (Dodecad K12b ancient) to know my results? I'm on the Gedmatch, but I'm an anti-talent with informathic.

Maybe you can get basics from this video: https://youtu.be/OvSnoP1E0JU
He is showing on Eurogenes calculator, but the logic is the same with all other calculators.

Carlos
14-02-20, 16:15
Target: Carlos
Distance: 1.0157% / 1.01566926 | ADC: 0.25x



19.8
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892






15.6
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895






13.8
R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna






13.4
Roman-SoldierFN_2






11.4
I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1






10.6
Canarias






10.2
VasconicTribe_I8209






4.6
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120






0.4
Mozabite






0.2
VisigothFrankishGirona_I12032











Target: Carlos
Distance: 0.0698% / 0.06977126


6.8
Valencia





5.4
VisigothFrankishGirona_I12032





5.0
R851_Iron_Age_Ardea





4.2
Andalucia





3.8
IlercavonesCatalan_I3321





3.0
Canarias





3.0
CL92





2.8
IlergetesTribeCatalan_I12878





2.8
AlemannicBavariaBIM_33





2.6
I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1





2.6
I8212_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1_atypical





2.4
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3758





2.0
BronzeAgeEngland_I2462





2.0
I2433_Globular_Amphora





1.6
Sardinian





1.6
VasconicTribe_I8209





1.6
I1295_Malak_Preslavets





1.4
CEU30





1.4
Mozabite





1.4
I8344_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1





1.4
R104_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi





1.4
R18_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado





1.2
French_Basque





1.2
PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12516





1.2
CL93





1.2
I2215_Malak_Preslavets





1.2
IronAgeHinxton1_Celt_ERS389795





1.0
Castilla_La_Mancha





1.0
Spaniards





1.0
CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457





1.0
ASH2-3_Iron_Age1





1.0
I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily





1.0
ZHAG_Boncuklu_Aceramic





1.0
I2405_Globular_Amphora





1.0
BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047





0.8
Moroccans





0.8
SZ31





0.8
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_119





0.8
R16_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado





0.8
I2110_Trypillia





0.6
Baleares





0.6
Cornwall





0.6
English





0.6
German





0.6
Moroccan





0.6
Norwegian





0.6
SZ3





0.6
R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis





0.4
Adygei





0.4
Algerian





0.4
Argyll





0.4
Extremadura





0.4
Kent





0.4
Pais_Vasco





0.4
GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_I10866





0.4
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647





0.4
CL63





0.4
CL84





0.4
CL87





0.4
SZ2





0.4
SZ42





0.4
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge





0.4
R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia





0.4
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro





0.4
R19_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado





0.4
R1014_Chalcolithic_Monte_San_Biagio





0.4
I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete





0.4
BerryAuBac_WHG





0.4
I2425_Balkans_Chalcolithic





0.4
I2440_Globular_Amphora





0.4
I2509_Balkans_Chalcolithic





0.4
I3714_Ukraine_Neolithic





0.4
Villabruna





0.2
Belorussian





0.2
British





0.2
Castilla_Y_Leon





0.2
Ethiopian_Jews





0.2
French





0.2
Georgians





0.2
Irish





0.2
Lezgins





0.2
Mixed_Germanic





0.2
Nganassan





0.2
Orcadian





0.2
Orkney





0.2
Sandawe_He





0.2
Selkup





0.2
Sicilian





0.2
Spanish





0.2
Pre-RomanGirona_I3324





0.2
IronAgeCatalan_I12640





0.2
SZ8





0.2
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_78





0.2
R1219_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria





0.2
R31_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto





0.2
R71_Imperial_Era_ANAS





0.2
R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce





0.2
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia





0.2
R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia





0.2
R5_Chalcolithic_Grotta_Continenza





0.2
I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete





0.2
Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge





0.2
I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge





0.2
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge





0.2
I2403_Globular_Amphora





0.2
I2534_Romania_HG





0.2
I5405_Lepenski_Vir





0.2
BOO003_Bolshoy_Ostrov_Murmansk_Russia_3473±87_cal BP






Distance to:
Carlos


3.23232115
R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


3.62042815
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892


4.08279316
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895


4.88591854
CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40


5.00235944
Roman-SoldierFN_2


5.54412301
R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella


5.61196935
R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


5.67985915
I2215_Malak_Preslavets


5.78651017
Galicia


6.03445109
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852


6.55386146
Baleares


6.56836357
I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy


6.75678178
Extremadura


6.80016912
PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12516


7.20074996
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


7.23678105
Portuguese


7.25538421
VasconicTribe_I8209


7.25538421
I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1


7.83411769
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_43


8.00687829
CL94


8.02414481
VisigothIberianGirona_I12034


8.03897382
PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12514


8.17836169
R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


8.31117320
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72


8.51501615
ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977


8.58027389
Castilla_Y_Leon


8.63172636
EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585


8.65401641
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


9.08631939
Bavaria_BB_II5524


9.10872658
R116_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


9.10993963
CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3239


9.14494396
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


9.31870163
I1113_Malak_Preslavets


9.36307108
Cataluna


9.37802218
R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.39497206
R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.40007979
MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649


9.42079614
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10851


9.67607875
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3758


9.74992820
Spaniards


9.79244607
R851_Iron_Age_Ardea


9.80358098
IlergetesTribeCatalan_I3320


9.82258113
Murcia


9.93771100
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


9.98018537
Spanish


10.05859831
BasqueCarolingian_I3777


10.10798199
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_119


10.31501333
R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia


10.40655563
R37_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


10.44744466
EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981


10.52505107
GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_I10866


10.56115997
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120


10.71094300
R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica


10.76935931
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3759


10.88690039
R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


10.89503098
R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima


11.22128780
BronzeAgeEngland_I2462


11.26240649
I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge


11.33116940
Pre-RomanGirona_I3324


11.40614747
CeltiberianMixTribeNorthernSpain_I3238


11.54747591
LBA_ElSotillo_Alava_I2469


11.56124128
N_Italian


11.56908812
IronAgeCatalan_I12640


11.62940669
Cantabria


11.72341674
Andalucia


11.75522012
North_Italian


11.76830914
Canarias


11.78944443
SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515


11.79833039
I1297_Malak_Preslavets


12.14062601
IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498


12.23360536
Castilla_La_Mancha


12.24686899
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208


12.24686899
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208


12.35959142
IlercavonesCatalan_I3321


12.41300930
SZ28


12.42888169
Valencia


12.68043769
French


12.74111063
CL23


12.88074532
RomanEraGirona_I8339


12.88418410
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


12.93327878
CL47


13.00833579
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


13.03174585
R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


13.04423628
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


13.04782741
French


13.06628103
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


13.11199832
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


13.12306748
CL102


13.18797938
BronzeAgeNorthernSpain_I2472


13.25133578
I2181_Balkans_Chalcolithic_outlier


13.37636348
Aragon


13.39109032
R108_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


13.42960908
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647


13.50022222
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12209


13.51744429
CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457


13.56665397
I2111_Trypillia


13.58593390
SZ45


13.96427585
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


13.99189408
IlergetesOutlierCatalan_I12410


14.03243030
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge





PCA R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5ITA-R7Edqc/XkazJFv_MgI/AAAAAAAAC0U/JodfKrjVkjo1Jh4Fm3gnf4l5DdRTDSblgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/PcaMedievalVillaMagnaR63.jpeg

Mine

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MtDqgJ0lIPI/XkazbKUpEtI/AAAAAAAAC0c/wRpdojrDMGcw_Hvi8wo55PWdo42MolrFACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/PCAmodernM%25C3%258DAenero2019.jpeg

GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--gW17uqQGqM/Xka4pY3gfHI/AAAAAAAAC0o/-X5Dq0IsXOEgWuyLM2cFJOgmdEkGo2R-QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/PCAGironaSantjulia892.jpeg

That is when they tell you: How well you keep yourself!

Lukas
14-02-20, 17:16
Hi it's addded to Vahaduo:)

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/dodecad-k12b-ANCIENT-vahaduo.htm

torzio
14-02-20, 17:41
top 8 from same family



Distance to:
BelunPk12b


2.85040348
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


2.89129729
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


2.95218563
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


3.00813896
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


3.06084956
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


4.34786154
SZ28


5.05758836
CL23


5.50328993
CL49


6.21656658
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia






Distance to:
TrentinoCles


2.53333772
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


2.88975778
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


3.48031608
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


3.75795157
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


3.85072720
SZ28


4.27906532
SZ43


5.06032608
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.88459005
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN






Distance to:
Torziok12b


1.89726118
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.40054542
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


4.63928874
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


4.65249395
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


4.82277928
CL23


4.86300319
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


5.02880702
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.21492090
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto






Distance to:
PonzanoK12b


2.96722092
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.88872171
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.02758391
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


5.03138152
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


5.17989382
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.65693380
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


5.67751706
CL49


5.88861614
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna

Salento
14-02-20, 17:46
Dodecad K12b Ancient spreadsheet
23s v4+v5 mix

https://i.imgur.com/XqwuBvZ.jpg

Ave Cesare :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/SvMGUvH.jpg

Jovialis
14-02-20, 18:10
Hi it's addded to Vahaduo:)

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/dodecad-k12b-ANCIENT-vahaduo.htm

Fantastic! Thank you!

Carlos
14-02-20, 20:51
Target: Carlos
Distance: 0.1376% / 0.13755323



5.2
IlercavonesCatalan_I3321






4.6
I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE






4.4
VisigothFrankishGirona_I12032






4.0
Collegno92






3.8
I0408_Mina18_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE






3.6
IlergetesTribeCatalan_I12878






3.6
R851_Iron_Age_Ardea






3.4
I3574_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE






3.2
I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE






3.2
I0807_ESP30_Baalberge_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3887-3797_calBCE






3.0
AlemannicBavariaBIM_33






2.8
I12164_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL






2.4
I7158_NE_Iberia_RomP






2.2
I3575_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE






2.2
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647






2.0
I3577_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE






2.0
I7423_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE






2.0
I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1






1.8
I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP






1.8
I0111_ROT4_Bell_Beaker_LN_Rothenschirmbach_Germany _2497-2436_calBCE






1.8
I2433_Globular_Amphora






1.6
I0108_ROT6_Bell_Beaker_LN_Rothenschirmbach_Germany _2497-2436_calBCE






1.6
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3758






1.6
I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily






1.6
BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047






1.4
Collegno93






1.4
R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia






1.4
I2425_Balkans_Chalcolithic






1.2
MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649






1.2
I2215_Malak_Preslavets






1.0
I0047_HAL16_Unetice_EBA_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_2022-1937_calBCE






1.0
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro






1.0
R18_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado






1.0
ASH2-3_Iron_Age1






1.0
I2403_Globular_Amphora






0.8
I3980_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE






0.8
I0803_EUL41_Unetice_EBA_Eulau_Germany_2115-1996_calBCE






0.8
I0099_HAL36C_Halberstadt_LBA_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_1113-1021_calBCE






0.8
I0114_ESP2_Unetice_EBA_relative_of_I0117_Espersted t_Germany_2131-1979_calBCE






0.8
I2110_Trypillia






0.8
CHV002_Chalmny_Varre_18th-19th






0.6
I0439_SVP52_Yamnaya_Lopatino_I_Sok_River_Samara_Ru ssia_3305-2925_calBCE






0.6
I0112_QUEXII6_Bell_Beaker_LN_Quedlinburg_XII_Germa ny_2340-2190_calBCE






0.6
LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576






0.6
VasconicTribe_I8209






0.6
GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_I10866






0.6
Szolad23






0.6
R15_Mesolithic_Grotta_Continenza






0.4
I0011_Molta1_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE






0.4
I0410_Troc3_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5178-5066_calBCE






0.4
I0412_Troc5_Spain_EN_Els_Trocs_Spain_5310-5206_calBCE






0.4
I0172_ESP24_Esperstedt_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3360-3086_calBCE






0.4
I0370_SVP10_Yamnaya_Ishkinovka_I_Eastern_Orenburg_ Pre-Ural_steppe_Samara_3500-2700_BCE_Russia






0.4
I0444_SVP58_Yamnaya_Kutuluk_I_Kutuluk_River_Samara _Russia_3335-2881_calBCE






0.4
I0164_QUEVIII6_Unetice_EBA_Quedlinburg_VIII_German y_2012-1919_calBCE






0.4
CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457






0.4
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12644






0.4
Szolad16






0.4
BronzeAgeEngland_I2462






0.4
R104_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi






0.4
R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis






0.4
R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia






0.4
I4175_Vucedol






0.4
IronAgeHinxton1_Celt_ERS389795






0.2
I7458_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE






0.2
I12645_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE






0.2
I0059_BZH6_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_Benzingerode-Heimburg_Germany_2286-2153_calBCE






0.2
I0411_Troc4_Spain_EN_relative_of_I0410_Els_Trocs_S pain_5303-5204_calBCE






0.2
Collegno23






0.2
Collegno84






0.2
Collegno110






0.2
Szolad2






0.2
Szolad37






0.2
I8212_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1_atypical






0.2
R37_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis






0.2
I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete






0.2
BerryAuBac_WHG






0.2
I1295_Malak_Preslavets






0.2
I1917_Yamnaya_Ukraine_outlier






0.2
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge






0.2
I5402_Iron_Gates_HG






0.2
BOO003_Bolshoy_Ostrov_Murmansk_Russia_3473±87_cal BP








Distance to:
Carlos


3.23232115
R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


3.62042815
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892


4.08279316
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895


4.54604223
I7675_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


4.88591854
CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40


5.00235944
Roman-SoldierFN_2


5.54412301
R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella


5.61196935
R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


5.67985915
I2215_Malak_Preslavets


6.03445109
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852


6.36550077
I7673_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


6.56836357
I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy


6.80016912
I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


7.20074996
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


7.25538421
VasconicTribe_I8209


7.25538421
I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1


7.83411769
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_43


8.00687829
Collegno94


8.02414481
VisigothIberianGirona_I12034


8.03897382
I12514_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


8.09474521
I10897_NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE


8.17836169
R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


8.31117320
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72


8.51501615
ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977


8.63172636
EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585


8.65401641
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


9.08631939
Bavaria_BB_II5524


9.10872658
R116_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


9.10993963
CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3239


9.14494396
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


9.31870163
I1113_Malak_Preslavets


9.37802218
R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.38433802
I3775_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


9.39497206
R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.40007979
MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649


9.42079614
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10851


9.67607875
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3758


9.79244607
R851_Iron_Age_Ardea


9.80358098
IlergetesTribeCatalan_I3320


9.93771100
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


10.05859831
BasqueCarolingian_I3777


10.10798199
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_119


10.14166653
I7676_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


10.17365716
I3584_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


10.25304345
I6490_NE_Iberia_RomP


10.31501333
R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia


10.33415212
I12033_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


10.40655563
R37_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


10.44744466
EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981


10.52505107
GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_I10866


10.56115997
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120


10.68906451
I3778_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


10.71094300
R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica


10.76935931
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3759


10.82268451
I8343_NE_Iberia_Late_RomP


10.88690039
R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


10.89503098
R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima


10.99237918
I12164_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


11.13917861
I3982_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE


11.15615525
I3577_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


11.22128780
BronzeAgeEngland_I2462


11.26240649
I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge


11.33116940
Pre-RomanGirona_I3324


11.40614747
CeltiberianMixTribeNorthernSpain_I3238


11.54747591
LBA_ElSotillo_Alava_I2469


11.56908812
IronAgeCatalan_I12640


11.78944443
I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


11.78944443
SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515


11.79833039
I1297_Malak_Preslavets


11.91919880
I12029_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


12.14062601
IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498


12.24686899
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208


12.24686899
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208


12.35959142
IlercavonesCatalan_I3321


12.41300930
Szolad28


12.47799263
I3866_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


12.64660429
I3574_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


12.74111063
Collegno23


12.77554304
I3776_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


12.87735998
I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


12.88074532
RomanEraGirona_I8339


12.88418410
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


12.93327878
Collegno47


13.00833579
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


13.03174585
R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


13.04423628
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


13.06628103
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


13.11199832
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


13.12306748
Collegno102


13.18797938
BronzeAgeNorthernSpain_I2472


13.24548225
I3579_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


13.25133578
I2181_Balkans_Chalcolithic_outlier


13.39109032
R108_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


13.42960908
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647


13.50022222
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12209


13.51744429
CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457


13.56665397
I2111_Trypillia


13.58593390
Szolad45


13.96427585
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


13.99189408
IlergetesOutlierCatalan_I12410


14.03243030
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge


14.26568260
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


14.33275619
I8210_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1


14.46739783
BronzeAgeNorthernSpain_VAD001


14.52471342
CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41


14.62248611
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_78


14.64813640
Collegno49


14.66942057
VisigothFrankishGirona_I12032


14.67915188
I8202_NE_Iberia_RomP_Empuries1


14.72136543
I3151_Trypillia


14.90877929
Collegno57


15.21938238
I0113_QUEXII4_Bell_Beaker_LN_Quedlinburg_XII_Germa ny_2290-2130_calBCE


15.39251441
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12644


15.40593717
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


15.46389666
I3582_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


15.54997428
Szolad3


15.58974984
LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3581


15.67287147
IberiaBronzeAge_ATP9


15.70840221
BellBeakerSouthernFrance_I3874


15.89462488
I3807_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


15.89631089
Szolad18


15.93938205
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


15.94191017
R62_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


15.96327034
IlergetesTribeCatalan_I12878


15.97273928
IberianSettlementCataloniaSpain_I3496


15.97944930
I3575_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


16.18638008
Szolad6


16.26949292
I3583_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


16.33173598
I8344_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1


16.39030811
I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy


16.42185434
I8145_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


16.52502042
Collegno63


16.64529964
LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576


16.68350083
CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3243


16.73865287
I8211_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1


16.77781869
I12648_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


16.82859768
I7423_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


16.89354610
I2110_Trypillia


16.89776908
I12030_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


17.00823036
I1926_Trypillia


17.01190466
I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


17.10485019
Szolad43


17.12127040
MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425


17.18206914
Szolad8


17.20093893
Collegno53


17.24743169
I2440_Globular_Amphora


17.33381089
I0108_ROT6_Bell_Beaker_LN_Rothenschirmbach_Germany _2497-2436_calBCE


17.36703774
I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge


17.39066704
I8341_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1


17.45609922
R1288_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


17.47613230
Collegno36


17.57584706
VisigothGermanicGirona_I12163


17.72420379
NorthAlpineSouthDutch_AITI_2


17.73194857
Szolad27


17.73895431
BellBeakerFranceI1388


17.77518776
I12645_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


17.80648477
I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


17.91037130
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


17.91124786
I8206_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries1


17.95653363
Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge


18.07776535
Szolad5


18.10494960
Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge


18.17958195
I12031_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


18.28493642
I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge


18.48926986
I3983_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE


18.51607950
I7424_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


18.60428177
I2403_Globular_Amphora


18.63311836
R106_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


18.70617812
I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP


18.86419890
I12162_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


18.91308806
I6492_NE_Iberia_RomP


18.94500726
CrusaderKnightCelto-GermanicLebanonCrusaderSI39


19.08495481
R1219_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


19.21458821
Collegno87


19.26820438
CrusaderKnightCelto-GermanicLebanonCrusaderSI47


19.42393626
I2433_Globular_Amphora


19.47952258
RomanVillaGranadaSpain_I4055


19.52627717
Szolad23


19.54739113
HispanoRomanMaghrebiCordobaCaliphate_I7497


19.57238871
I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


19.61275350
Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge


19.66034079
I0111_ROT4_Bell_Beaker_LN_Rothenschirmbach_Germany _2497-2436_calBCE


19.73857644
I7672_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


19.89751492
IberianElArgarBronzeAge_I8136


19.94963158
Szolad31


20.03394869
BAIberiaValdescusaLaRioja_VAD002


20.17310090
I0118_ALB3_Alberstedt_LN_Alberstedt_Germany_2459-2345_calBCE


20.19358314
R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio


20.20259637
I2441_Globular_Amphora


20.28143240
Szolad14


20.35809421
ScythianMoldova_SCY300


20.48050536
Scythian_SCY311


20.49376978
Szolad1


20.54072784
Szolad36


20.55279300
I7674_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


20.58123174
Collegno97


20.62937469
Szolad38


20.66100917
R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


20.74512232
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192


20.76675468
R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


20.85214617
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197


21.00187135
R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


21.04893109
I0706_Balkans_Neolithic


21.42752669
I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE


21.62196337
I1295_Malak_Preslavets


21.87862199
R31_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


21.89840862
R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


22.09407839
AlemannicBavariaBIM_33


22.16003836
I3980_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


22.16608445
R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


22.36439358
I0559_QLB15D_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3 645-3537_calBCE


22.50190881
Szolad37


22.54530772
I2434_Globular_Amphora


22.57413121
R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


22.67792980
R1286_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


22.77621127
Collegno83


22.81734428
NeolithicScotland_I2634


22.86704397
Szolad30


23.07180530
I8212_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1_atypical


23.17789464
I1296_Malak_Preslavets


23.19630358
Szolad42


23.31451694
Szolad24


23.34785001
NorthAlpineSouthDutch_AITI_50


23.44071885
I4088_Balkans_Chalcolithic


23.45869348
Szolad12


23.50947894
R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


23.67115756
I0112_QUEXII6_Bell_Beaker_LN_Quedlinburg_XII_Germa ny_2340-2190_calBCE


23.72767372
Szolad15


23.90560813
I0117_ESP29_Unetice_EBA_Esperstedt_Germany_2199-2064_calBCE


23.92168681
Collegno84


23.93711762
BronzeAgeOuterHebrides_I2655


24.00634083
IronAgeHinxton1_Celt_ERS389795


24.01450187
ANI160_Varna_Outlier


24.16150244
R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo


24.17914184
ANI163_Varna_Outlier


24.22753599
Szolad11


24.26034419
I7458_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


24.26838272
I0806_QLB28_Bell_Beaker_LN_Quedlinburg_VII_Germany _2296-2206_calBCE


24.48744576
I2425_Balkans_Chalcolithic


24.50675621
I0114_ESP2_Unetice_EBA_relative_of_I0117_Espersted t_Germany_2131-1979_calBCE


24.68188404
Szolad7


24.77915455
I0172_ESP24_Esperstedt_MN_Esperstedt_Germany_3360-3086_calBCE


24.78805761
I0058_BZH4_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_Benzingerode-Heimburg_Germany_2283-2146_calBCE


24.90842227
ANI159_ANI181_Varna


24.92519408
I2431_Balkans_Chalcolithic


24.96660369
R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


25.06455066
I0560_QLB18A_Baalberge_MN_Quedlinburg_IX_Germany_3 640-3510_calBCE


25.06704011
I1416_AG83/1_Early_MPPNB_Ain_Ghazal_Jordan


25.13866544
Collegno92


25.20529508
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305


25.23824281
TartessianArchaicAndalusia_I12561


25.26275321
I7500_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


25.54516197
ANI153_Varna


25.62514780
R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


25.68987155
R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


25.70815824
I4089_Balkans_Chalcolithic


25.74406922
I0047_HAL16_Unetice_EBA_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_2022-1937_calBCE


25.80299789
Collegno121


25.84386001
R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


25.88785816
Szolad25


25.92474494
R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


25.95602050
I2477_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy


26.27925608
I2430_Balkans_Chalcolithic


26.35239648
Szolad22


26.53775612
R104_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


26.75898167
R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


26.85847538
I0406_Mina4_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE


26.87066430
BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047


26.90066356
R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


26.96488272
IronAgeHinxton5_Anglo-Saxon_ERS389799


27.05444880
Collegno93


27.10280059
I1109_Malak_Preslavets


27.11295262
Szolad13


27.27200396
I3808_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


27.33579704
Collegno145


27.39127781
I2426_Balkans_Chalcolithic


27.47026392
I0099_HAL36C_Halberstadt_LBA_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_1113-1021_calBCE


27.50182539
Szolad19


27.52431471
I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese


27.85438027
Szolad4


27.87838410
Collegno146


27.88348974
R6_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza


28.01686456
I2424_Balkans_Chalcolithic


28.06032252
R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


28.11017609
I0059_BZH6_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_Benzingerode-Heimburg_Germany_2286-2153_calBCE


28.20422841
R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


28.25627895
I2405_Globular_Amphora


28.25824128
R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


28.39611769
I0803_EUL41_Unetice_EBA_Eulau_Germany_2115-1996_calBCE


28.39663536
Szolad40


28.44515952
I0408_Mina18_Spain_MN_La_Mina_Spain_3900-3600_BCE


28.53235357
CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53


28.68034693
Bul4_Yamnaya_Bulgaria


28.92191557
Szolad20


28.95299466
Collegno151


28.95409643
R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata


28.98855809
I2423_Balkans_Chalcolithic


28.99972414
R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


29.05687698
R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


29.27012812
R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis

Jovialis
14-02-20, 20:59
https://i.imgur.com/y9IhuRW.png

A super-minimized view of the Dodecad K12b Ancient Vahaduo PCA; it sort of looks like a heart.

Happy Valentine's Day, Eupedia! :grin:

Duarte
14-02-20, 23:30
Thanks Lukas.
Happy Valentine's day, Jovialis.
Very nice posts, folks.
I have an Iberian/North African Moor at distances of 1.4506% and 2.7398%, in the mixed mode. I think this cool.
Carlos, I know that you don't like so much to talk about the Moors and about that they did in the Middle Ages in the Iberia Peninsula. But this is only part of my ancestry and not reach you, as we can see in your results in the mixed mode. After all, I am also a "Al-Andalus like", as I previosly knowed in my MTA results ;)

https://i.imgur.com/95tIqWr.png
https://i.imgur.com/EA9efyH.png
https://i.imgur.com/UwVlL3u.png

Carlos
15-02-20, 01:02
Thanks Lukas.
Happy Valentine's day, Jovialis.
Very nice posts, folks.
I have an Iberian/North African Moor at distances of 1.4506% and 2.7398%, in the mixed mode. I think this cool.
Carlos, I know that you don't like so much to talk about the Moors and about that they did in the Middle Ages in the Iberia Peninsula. But this is only part of my ancestry and not reach you, as we can see in your results in the mixed mode. After all, I am also a "Al-Andalus like", as I previosly knowed in my MTA results ;)

https://i.imgur.com/95tIqWr.png
https://i.imgur.com/EA9efyH.png
https://i.imgur.com/UwVlL3u.png

Al-Andalus, yes I can talk about any subject but let's see, Al-Andalus takes me directly to the mental link: Reconquest.

kuzmosi
15-02-20, 11:29
Thank you mha for your kindness and help. The results are surprisingly for me:
It means thracian and celtic/germanic ancetors?



9.84757331
ANI163_Varna_Outlier


10.13707552
AlemannicBavariaBIM_33


10.18311838
I0115_ESP3_Unetice_EBA_Esperstedt_Germany_1931-1780_calBCE


11.69578129
I0803_EUL41_Unetice_EBA_Eulau_Germany_2115-1996_calBCE


12.05448049
R1219_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


12.08667448
Collegno97


12.23043744
Szolad25


12.62509406
I12162_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


12.76594689
Szolad5


12.82256995
Szolad24


13.06613562
Szolad42


13.36893788
Szolad12


13.66764062
I0111_ROT4_Bell_Beaker_LN_Rothenschirmbach_Germany _2497-2436_calBCE


13.70635254
Szolad11


14.09527580
I12031_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


14.20240825
Szolad13


14.24609069
CrusaderKnightCelto-GermanicLebanonCrusaderSI39


14.31514233
I0117_ESP29_Unetice_EBA_Esperstedt_Germany_2199-2064_calBCE


14.61759898
VisigothGermanicGirona_I12163


14.61941517
Szolad30


14.68592183
I0047_HAL16_Unetice_EBA_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_2022-1937_calBCE


14.87706624
Szolad6


15.02410397
Collegno63


15.04732867
Szolad8


15.10330758
R1286_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria

mha
15-02-20, 13:25
Kuzmosi, you are not getting really close ancestors with this source and calculator, I presume Dodecad-K12b. You can try others, maybe Eurogenes K13.

Varna_outlier is high in steppe ancestry but low in Balkan heritage (that is why it is marked as an outlier). It's a very old specimen, practically the first signal of steppe ancestry in the Balkan. I myself have it also as the closest distance (0,4), which is strange given its timespan. You really have to try other calculators and sources, but it's possible, that you will not find perfect fit for your case.

Jovialis
15-02-20, 17:04
Distance to:
ANI163_Varna_Outlier


7.42682974
German


7.95875618
Hungarians


8.29131473
Croat


9.45407320
Bosnian


12.22504806
Mixed_Germanic


13.64469860
Dutch


16.32837408
CEU30


16.46926531
Kent


16.57811208
English


17.47486195
Macedonian


17.59887212
French


17.81392152
British_Isles


18.12807767
French


18.27571613
Swedish


18.28534386
Pomak


18.53790172
Argyll


18.62707170
Norwegian


19.10125127
Cornwall


19.12490000
Orkney


19.17991972
Italy_Aosta_Valley


19.24499415
British


19.35336911
Italy_FriuliVG


19.38849659
Romanians


19.48563060
Orcadian


19.53901226
Irish



Components %
Gedrosia 8.64%
Siberian 0.00%
Northwest_African 2.63%
Southeast_Asian 0.00%
Atlantic_Med 29.14%
North_European 44.77%
South_Asian 0.62%
East_African 0.00%
Southwest_Asian 0.66%
East_Asian 0.00%
Caucasus 13.52%
Sub_Saharan 0.02%

https://i.imgur.com/tM2Tq62.png

torzio
15-02-20, 17:43
my father results

results with the master list



Distance to:
PonzanoK12b


2.96722092
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.88872171
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.02758391
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


5.03138152
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


5.17989382
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.65693380
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


5.67751706
CL49


5.88861614
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.95225167
SZ28


6.03410308
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


6.08940063
CL47


6.10329419
CL23


6.23568761
I3866_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


6.37341353
CL94


6.61260161
SZ45


7.01978632
R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


7.19994444
R108_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


7.20488029
Bavaria_BB_II5524


7.21248917
CL57


7.22930840
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


7.42829052
R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


7.88196676
I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.10768771
CL102


8.27916059
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


8.36763407
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10851




my first cousin
results with the master list

Distance to:
TrentinoCles


2.53333772
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


2.88975778
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


3.48031608
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


3.75795157
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


3.85072720
SZ28


4.27906532
SZ43


5.06032608
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.88459005
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


6.05645936
CL36


6.11802256
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.50109222
CL23


6.53108720
SZ31


7.26898205
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197


7.82710036
ScythianMoldova_SCY300


7.89238874
CL49


7.97467241
SZ36


8.36254148
Bavaria_BB_II5524


8.43631436
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.58509755
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


8.78997156
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192


9.10143395
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


9.24717795
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


9.46118914
R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio


9.51338005
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


9.55524987
SZ37




TrentinoCles grandmother picture below
The woman in the photo is 31 yo .....with one of her 4 daughters
Photo taken at start of world war one

https://i.postimg.cc/Dz5qxZMp/rosa-with-2nd-Daughter.png (https://postimages.org/)

mha
15-02-20, 18:44
Varna ANI163 is cca. 4.5k BC old and match so closely to modern Central Europeans (and others also). It's fascinating but inevitable a coincidence. Giving more options, my Central Europen dna is enriched with mixed additions, like Goths, Getae, Scyths. Varna outlier is, on the other hand, closer to more ancient populations, maybe we can say more "basic" components. It is still amazing.

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Palermo Trapani
16-02-20, 01:12
Carlos: If you are genetically linked to the likes of Saint Theresa of Avila, from my perspective, and not going to turn this into Theology discussion in this forum, not a bad thing. She was the founder of the Carmelites and "First Women to be named a Doctor of the Catholic Church." (not that there were some that should have been or could have been named earlier). Thus, her Theology and Spiritual writings is recognized alongside Saint Augustine, Saint Ambrose of Milan, Saint Jerome, Saint Thomas Aquinas, Saint Hillary of Potiers, etc, etc. I have always been a fan of El Cid as well.

Carlos
16-02-20, 02:32
Carlos: If you are genetically linked to the likes of Saint Theresa of Avila, from my perspective, and not going to turn this into Theology discussion in this forum, not a bad thing. She was the founder of the Carmelites and "First Women to be named a Doctor of the Catholic Church." (not that there were some that should have been or could have been named earlier). Thus, her Theology and Spiritual writings is recognized alongside Saint Augustine, Saint Ambrose of Milan, Saint Jerome, Saint Thomas Aquinas, Saint Hillary of Potiers, etc, etc. I have always been a fan of El Cid as well.

When I talked about all those historical figures of my country it is without genetic connotations since all this of genetics is too modern in comparison, maybe future generations associate it, generations later I think we still unlink the issues.

I was very attracted to San Francisco de Asis and Santa Clara de Asís as well.


I discovered Teresa de Lissieux by chance one day when entering a church in Barcelona there were her prints and she said yes I took one and kept it for years in a folder or I remembered, it has helped me quite a few years ago (private) and now the I have in my headboard, it is infallible against the demons they threw their image with rage, even in my presence at night, it appeared anywhere in the room, I had to strengthen the frame.


With Santa Teresa de Calcutta I can not, that woman I do not understand how they have made her holy, how I enter a church and she is out to herpes, I do not want to know anything about her, I have not said anything, I withdraw it.

Palermo Trapani
16-02-20, 17:51
Carlos: I understand. Thanks for the clarification. I thought maybe you had done some genealogy research that indicated you had matches with Saint Therese. For me, I was always attracted to Saint Dominic of Osma as my elementary education to the 8th grade was taught by the Dominican Order.

Carlos
16-02-20, 18:46
carlos: I understand. Thanks for the clarification. I thought maybe you had done some genealogy research that indicated you had matches with saint therese. For me, i was always attracted to saint dominic of osma as my elementary education to the 8th grade was taught by the dominican order.


ok................................................ .

Palermo Trapani
16-02-20, 18:50
Carlos: Bravo! That is really neat. When was he declared Venerable?

Carlos
16-02-20, 19:19
carlos: Bravo! That is really neat. When was he declared venerable?


ok................................................ .......

Palermo Trapani
16-02-20, 23:22
Ok, thanks, since I don't want to turn this into a Theological thread, let me know via private message when and if Rome moves his case forward or I guess you could post it in the Religion/Philosophy forum.

Cheers.

Carlos
19-02-20, 14:01
Deep research

Unlike K13 I don't get the 0.50 in SSA considering that I am E-V22 and downstream is L4114 thousands and thousands of years ago a 0.50 miracle is already a miracle in K13. The 5 with North Africa more or less coincides with FTDNA; although it gives it to me through the Middle East that 4% that the same according to company put me in North Africa, in Arabia or even in the British Isles, maybe it is a trace of my E-V22 early entry into Europe and in its migration it is versatile to place it here or there . Now Galicia comes out first, I have no news unless it is an origin in the repopulation of Andalusia, since in Andalusia we have a colloquial saying that my mother told me a lot when it comes to eating etc: You are more hungry than those who have come from Galicia. From Portugal I was the mother of my maternal great-grandfather. France appears twice, I have the oral tradition by YDNA of the supposed defending legionary of Napoleon's troops in his failed attempt to invade Spain from the rest. I have no news. The Canary Islands did not usually obtain it, but the Canary Islands are a great mix of many European countries. The rest of the Spanish regions always form a fairly homogeneous and close group in the PCA, except the Basques; although few Basques publish here or other sites and in the Vasconia Basque kit they get Carthaginian like other Iberians, anyway.

Hungary, except for this
141. Scythian Outlier Hungary (550 BC) ..... 18.52 - DA195
155. Hungary Elite Avar Kiskoros-Vaghohid (690 AD) ..... 18.96 - KVper3450_GE


# Population Percent

1 Atlantic_Med 44.80
2 North_European 26.52
3 Caucasus 13.46
4 Northwest_African 5.10
5 Gedrosia 4.91
6 Southwest_Asian 3.16

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 5.776718
2 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 6.546413
3 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 6.741121
4 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 7.223535
5 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes @ 8.572448
6 Cataluna_1000Genomes @ 9.352026
7 Spaniards_Behar @ 9.742304
8 Murcia_1000Genomes @ 9.813342
9 Spanish_Dodecad @ 9.972527
10 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 11.563505
11 Cantabria_1000Genomes @ 11.616672
12 Andalucia_1000Genomes @ 11.712304
13 North_Italian_HGDP @ 11.756238
14 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 11.765388
15 Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes @ 12.225098
16 Valencia_1000Genomes @ 12.416013
17 French_HGDP @ 12.675765
18 French_Dodecad @ 13.042608
19 Aragon_1000Genomes @ 13.363891
20TSI30_Metspalu @ 18.866783

Metspalu? There is no dictionary for all these names?

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Canarias_1000Genomes +50% French_HGDP @ 4.299719

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Andalucia_1000Genomes +25% Canarias_1000Genomes +25% Hungarians_Behar @ 1.564706

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar + Spaniards_Behar @ 1.230268
2 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Baleares_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar @ 1.271877
3 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar @ 1.491608
4 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar + Valencia_1000Genomes @ 1.515988
5 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Cantabria_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar @ 1.531357
6 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Andalucia_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar @ 1.564706
7 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar + Spanish_Dodecad @ 1.574562
8 Baleares_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar + Valencia_1000Genomes @ 1.576322
9 Aragon_1000Genomes + Baleares_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar @ 1.620303
10 Canarias_1000Genomes + Cataluna_1000Genomes + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.622599
11 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar + Murcia_1000Genomes @ 1.631682
12 Canarias_1000Genomes + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Sardinian_HGDP + Spanish_Dodecad @ 1.645875
13 Canarias_1000Genomes + Extremadura_1000Genomes + Russian_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.655991
14 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Andalucia_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar + Portuguese_Dodecad @ 1.671651
15 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar @ 1.679362
16 Canarias_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar + Murcia_1000Genomes + Valencia_1000Genomes @ 1.680430
17 Baleares_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar @ 1.705161
18 Andalucia_1000Genomes + Aragon_1000Genomes + Canarias_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar @ 1.712564
19 Canarias_1000Genomes + Extremadura_1000Genomes + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + Sardinian_HGDP @ 1.746101
20 Canarias_1000Genomes + Hungarians_Behar + Murcia_1000Genomes + Spaniards_Behar @ 1.765304

Done.

Elapsed time 0.4965 seconds.

Jovialis
19-02-20, 17:48
Good news, everyone!

Dodecad K12b Ancient Extended, made it to Admixture Studio.

https://i.imgur.com/F8EceiL.png

Angela
19-02-20, 18:18
Good news, everyone!

Dodecad K12b Ancient Extended, made it to Admixture Studio.

https://i.imgur.com/F8EceiL.png


Congratulations to Jovialis and Duarte! :)

Jovialis
19-02-20, 18:43
Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com
v1.5 07/02/2020

Finished reading population data. 647 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Mixed Mode:
1 92.58% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 7.42% I0058_BZH4_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_Benzingerode-Heimburg_Germany_2283-2146_calBCE @ 0.662
2 93.36% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 6.64% I0114_ESP2_Unetice_EBA_relative_of_I0117_Espersted t_Germany_2131-1979_calBCE @ 0.673
3 94.14% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 5.86% I0116_ESP4_Unetice_EBA_Esperstedt_Germany_2118-1961_calBCE @ 0.740
4 94.14% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 5.86% IronAgeHinxton2_Anglo-Saxon_ERS389796 @ 0.740
5 93.36% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 6.64% IronAgeHinxton1_Celt_ERS389795 @ 0.751
6 93.36% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 6.64% I0099_HAL36C_Halberstadt_LBA_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_1113-1021_calBCE @ 0.755
7 94.14% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 5.86% Szolad16 @ 0.755
8 94.14% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 5.86% Collegno151 @ 0.764
9 92.58% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 7.42% I0118_ALB3_Alberstedt_LN_Alberstedt_Germany_2459-2345_calBCE @ 0.767
10 94.14% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 5.86% Collegno93 @ 0.774

Least-squares method.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti @ 3.021
2 100% R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche @ 3.285
3 100% R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna @ 3.346
4 100% CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53 @ 3.417
5 100% R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia @ 3.430
6 100% R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche @ 3.707
7 100% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti @ 3.835
8 100% Collegno121 @ 3.856
9 100% R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna @ 4.068
10 100% R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti @ 4.190

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53 + 50% Collegno121 @ 1.219
2 50% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 50% R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna @ 1.258
3 50% R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 50% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti @ 1.325
4 50% R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche + 50% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti @ 1.373
5 50% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 50% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti @ 1.434
6 50% I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP + 50% R81_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis @ 1.441
7 50% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 50% R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis @ 1.442
8 50% R78_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis + 50% R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria @ 1.608
9 50% I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge + 50% I1632_AR1/46_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia @ 1.610
10 50% R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche + 50% CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53 @ 1.786

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 33% R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 33% I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP @ 0.991
2 33% R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo + 33% R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo + 33% Collegno94 @ 1.202
3 33% R850_Iron_Age_Ardea + 33% R850_Iron_Age_Ardea + 33% I12164_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL @ 1.264
4 33% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 33% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 33% R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna @ 1.446
5 33% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 33% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 33% Collegno57 @ 1.466
6 33% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 33% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 33% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti @ 1.490
7 33% R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto + 33% R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto + 33% Szolad27 @ 1.491
8 33% CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53 + 33% CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53 + 33% Collegno121 @ 1.505
9 33% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 33% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 33% R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio @ 1.518
10 33% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 33% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 33% R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna @ 1.519

Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro + 25% R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro + 25% R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro + 25% AlemannicBavariaBIM_33 @ 1.203
2 25% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 25% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 25% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 25% R106_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi @ 1.242
3 25% R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo + 25% R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo + 25% R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo + 25% CeltiberianMixTribeNorthernSpain_I3238 @ 1.355
4 25% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 25% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 25% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 25% R62_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna @ 1.397
5 25% R126_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 25% R126_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 25% NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120 + 25% Collegno63 @ 1.397
6 25% R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 25% R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 25% R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 25% I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP @ 1.402
7 25% R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina + 25% R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina + 25% R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina + 25% R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi @ 1.402
8 25% R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 25% R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 25% R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 25% R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria @ 1.405
9 25% R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro + 25% R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro + 25% R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro + 25% R1219_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria @ 1.411
10 25% R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro + 25% R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro + 25% R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro + 25% NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120 @ 1.435

Duarte
19-02-20, 18:54
Congratulations to Jovialis and Duarte! :)

Thanks Angela and congrats Jovialis and mlukas. I can’t give an upvote to all of you because I only can enter in Eupedia Forum though Eupedia app to smartphones. I can’t enter in Eupedia Forum though PC , and I don’t no why. Below are my results using this new tool of DNA Genics, what’s very cool.

Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com
v1.5 07/02/2020

Finished reading population data. 647 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------


Mixed Mode:
1 88,67% GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892 + 11,33% I3810_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE_Afr2 @ 2,288
2 59,77% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 40,23% I8210_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 2,989
3 54,30% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 45,70% Pre-RomanGirona_I3324 @ 3,079
4 62,11% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 37,89% I8341_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 3,123
5 87,89% GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892 + 12,11% I7427_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE_Afr @ 3,152
6 51,17% VasconicTribe_I8209 + 48,83% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 @ 3,323
7 51,17% I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 + 48,83% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 @ 3,323
8 50,39% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 49,61% I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 3,344
9 50,39% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 49,61% VasconicTribe_I8209 @ 3,344
10 50,39% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 49,61% Pre-RomanGirona_I3324 @ 3,359

Least-squares method.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892 @ 6,297
2 100% GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895 @ 7,044
3 100% EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585 @ 7,109
4 100% I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE @ 7,449
5 100% I12514_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE @ 7,658
6 100% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 @ 7,717
7 100% MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649 @ 7,936
8 100% R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna @ 7,985
9 100% GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852 @ 8,043
10 100% Roman-SoldierFN_2 @ 8,202

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 50% Pre-RomanGirona_I3324 @ 3,321
2 50% VasconicTribe_I8209 + 50% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 @ 3,335
3 50% I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 + 50% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 @ 3,335
4 50% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 50% Pre-RomanGirona_I3324 @ 3,357
5 50% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 50% VisigothIberianGirona_I12034 @ 3,661
6 50% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 50% VasconesTribeVasconia_I3759 @ 3,704
7 50% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 50% I8210_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 3,822
8 50% VasconicTribe_I8209 + 50% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE @ 3,863
9 50% I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 + 50% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE @ 3,863
10 50% I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy + 50% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 @ 3,874

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge + 33% I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 33% Collegno110 @ 2,782
2 33% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge + 33% I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 33% R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna @ 2,907
3 33% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge + 33% I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 33% R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo @ 3,102
4 33% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge + 33% I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 33% R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia @ 3,150
5 33% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge + 33% I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 33% CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53 @ 3,151
6 33% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge + 33% I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 33% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti @ 3,324
7 33% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge + 33% I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 33% R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti @ 3,365
8 33% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge + 33% I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 33% R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche @ 3,426
9 33% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge + 33% I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 33% Szolad37 @ 3,458
10 33% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 33% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 33% I8341_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 3,460

Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 25% R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto @ 3,072
2 25% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 25% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 25% Pre-RomanGirona_I3324 + 25% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge @ 3,078
3 25% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 25% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 25% Pre-RomanGirona_I3324 + 25% I8210_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 3,263
4 25% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 25% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 25% Pre-RomanGirona_I3324 + 25% I12029_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL @ 3,286
5 25% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 25% R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna @ 3,337
6 25% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 25% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 25% Pre-RomanGirona_I3324 + 25% Pre-RomanGirona_I3324 @ 3,357
7 25% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 25% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 25% Pre-RomanGirona_I3324 + 25% I8202_NE_Iberia_RomP_Empuries1 @ 3,403
8 25% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 25% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 25% Pre-RomanGirona_I3324 + 25% I8341_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 3,410
9 25% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 25% R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro @ 3,482
10 25% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 25% R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio @ 3,634


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Jovialis
19-02-20, 19:02
Indeed, Thanks Angela! Duarte, congrats to you too. None of this would be possible, without mlukas and Vahaduo.

Also, Dienekes Pontikos, creator of Dodecad K12b.

Palermo Trapani
19-02-20, 19:35
Congrats to everyone involved in this project. Well done. Thanks to the Eupedia team for allowing us here to sort of develop the "prototype" so to speak by running our coordinates. Now if I can only get Dnagenics downloaded on my computer without any problems.

Jovialis
19-02-20, 21:49
https://i.imgur.com/zAfh1wg.png

kuzmosi
21-02-20, 12:04
Thank you for all the help. The results of my grandfather brother:



8.26240885
ANI163_Varna_Outlier


8.31611688
I0115_ESP3_Unetice_EBA_Esperstedt_Germany_1931-1780_calBCE


9.09702149
AlemannicBavariaBIM_33


9.87881572
I0803_EUL41_Unetice_EBA_Eulau_Germany_2115-1996_calBCE


10.42996165
Szolad25


10.95987226
Collegno97


11.03255184
R1219_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


11.12212210
Szolad24


11.12478314
Szolad42


11.16432264
I12162_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


11.38584209
Szolad12


11.58534419
Szolad11


12.13064302
I0111_ROT4_Bell_Beaker_LN_Rothenschirmbach_Germany _2497-2436_calBCE


12.15458350
Szolad13


12.15509358
Szolad5


12.41763262
I0047_HAL16_Unetice_EBA_Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld_Germany_2022-1937_calBCE


12.41966183
Szolad30


12.63893983
I0117_ESP29_Unetice_EBA_Esperstedt_Germany_2199-2064_calBCE


12.66296964
CrusaderKnightCelto-GermanicLebanonCrusaderSI39


12.90402650
Szolad22


13.06638435
R1286_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


13.38638487
VisigothGermanicGirona_I12163


13.57785697
Szolad38


13.63440501
Szolad23


13.77947387
I8212_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1_atypical




He was closer all the ancients samples (the varna outlier, unetice samples, alemannic and longobard samples) like me, It depends the two generation closer connection. Or not?

Jovialis
07-03-20, 21:48
https://i.imgur.com/CjK3gxx.png

https://i.imgur.com/vNp396G.png

Jovialis
07-03-20, 22:33
https://i.imgur.com/CjK3gxx.png

https://i.imgur.com/vNp396G.png
I'm interested to see how this will change with the upcoming samples from the Reich paper. I will use them to update the Ancient Rome Test to 2.0

Palermo Trapani
08-03-20, 05:04
I'm interested to see how this will change with the upcoming samples from the Reich paper. I will use them to update the Ancient Rome Test to 2.0

Jovialis: Any chance you and Duarte will estimate the Dodecad 12B coordinates for the two recent papers dealing with Sardinia and the one dealing with Steppe ancestry into Sardinia and Sicily? Or is that the Reich Paper you are referring to. If not, that suggest there is another paper using Roman samples coming out, which would be great as well.

Duarte
08-03-20, 21:17
My results with source data displayed in the posts above, including a plot (PCA):

Top 25 + top 60
https://i.imgur.com/01bwhqY.png

Admixture, distance 1.44457412
https://i.imgur.com/xihzCJm.png

PCA:
https://i.imgur.com/UlaA8y3.png
https://i.imgur.com/zqnCtUN.png
https://i.imgur.com/y1Uzsj7.png

Duarte
08-03-20, 21:26
Jovialis: Any chance you and Duarte will estimate the Dodecad 12B coordinates for the two recent papers dealing with Sardinia and the one dealing with Steppe ancestry into Sardinia and Sicily? Or is that the Reich Paper you are referring to. If not, that suggest there is another paper using Roman samples coming out, which would be great as well.

Hi @Palermo Trapani

I think that Jovialis refers to a paper to be published bringing old samples from Sardinia and Sicily. Jovialis may be able to give you better information.

Cheers ;)

Palermo Trapani
09-03-20, 00:55
Hi @Palermo Trapani

I think that Jovialis refers to a paper to be published bringing old samples from Sardinia and Sicily. Jovialis may be able to give you better information.

Cheers ;)

Ok, thanks.

Duarte
09-03-20, 12:53
My results with source data displayed in the posts above, including a plot (PCA):

Top 25 + top 60
https://i.imgur.com/01bwhqY.png

Admixture, distance 1.44457412
https://i.imgur.com/xihzCJm.png

PCA:
https://i.imgur.com/UlaA8y3.png
https://i.imgur.com/zqnCtUN.png
https://i.imgur.com/y1Uzsj7.png

DNA Genics results, for comparison:
https://i.imgur.com/IRUZxnf.png
https://i.imgur.com/HG6qFqv.png
https://i.imgur.com/mNcIGHz.png
https://i.imgur.com/aqJbO7z.png

Jovialis
09-03-20, 21:36
Here are Anatolian Neolithic samples from Hofmanova et al. 2016

I obtained the samples from open-genomes.org, because the BAM files from ENA were not converting properly.



Early farmers from across Europe directly descended from Neolithic Aegeans


https://www.pnas.org/content/113/25/6886
http://www.open-genomes.org/genomes/Hofmanova%20(2016)/


Anatolia_N_Bar31_Barcin,0.00,0.00,5.07,0.00,45.54, 0.00,0.00,0.00,14.06,0.00,33.55,1.78
Anatolia_N_Bar8_Barcin,0.00,0.00,5.93,0.00,45.87,0 .00,0.00,0.02,14.04,0.14,33.65,0.36
Anatolia_N_Klei10,0.00,0.00,4.54,0.00,46.69,0.00,0 .00,0.00,13.45,0.00,34.37,0.95
Anatolia_N_Rev5,0.00,0.00,6.24,1.13,46.94,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,10.83,0.00,30.05,4.81

Jovialis
09-03-20, 21:53
The only one missing is Pal7

https://i.imgur.com/MsySkml.png

Palermo Trapani
09-03-20, 23:28
Jovialis: thanks again for these coordinates.My distances 21.6 to 23.1.



Distance to:
PalermoTrapani


21.62702245
Anatolia_N_Bar31_Barcin


21.86340779
Anatolia_N_Bar8_Barcin


22.43111009
Anatolia_N_Klei10


23.13692071
Anatolia_N_Rev5

Duarte
09-03-20, 23:52
Hi Trapani. THX Jovialis:
Far away from me also.

https://i.imgur.com/9CwPtV9.png

Palermo Trapani
10-03-20, 01:01
Hi Trapani. THX Jovialis:
Far away from me also.

https://i.imgur.com/9CwPtV9.png


Duarte: Do you know off hand what exact dates these samples are from I went to the supplements and looked over the paper. The paper doesn't have them in there (I think, or I missed it) and there are 122 pages in the supplements.

Duarte
10-03-20, 01:42
Duarte: Do you know off hand what exact dates these samples are from I went to the supplements and looked over the paper. The paper doesn't have them in there (I think, or I missed it) and there are 122 pages in the supplements.

Nite Trapani.
Open the link below:

https://www.pnas.org/highwire/markup/519848/expansion?width=1000&height=500&iframe=true&postprocessors=highwire_tables%2Chighwire_reclass% 2Chighwire_figures%2Chighwire_math%2Chighwire_inli ne_linked_media%2Chighwire_embed

Cheers.

Palermo Trapani
10-03-20, 03:01
Nite Trapani.
Open the link below:

https://www.pnas.org/highwire/markup/519848/expansion?width=1000&height=500&iframe=true&postprocessors=highwire_tables%2Chighwire_reclass% 2Chighwire_figures%2Chighwire_math%2Chighwire_inli ne_linked_media%2Chighwire_embed

Cheers.


Duarte: Thanks. Interestingly of the 2 Y-DNA Haplogroups they were able to determine, both G (similar to Otzi).

Duarte
10-03-20, 03:19
Duarte: Thanks. Interestingly of the 2 Y-DNA Haplogroups they were able to determine, both G (similar to Otzi).

You are right Trapani.

Ötzi's full genome has been sequenced; the report on this was published on 28 February 2012. The Y chromosome DNA of Ötzi belongs to a subclade of G defined by the SNPs M201, P287, P15, L223 and L91 (G-L91, ISOGG G2a2b, former "G2a4"). He was not typed for any of the subclades downstreaming from G-L91; however, an analysis of his BAM file revealed that he belongs to the L166 and FGC5672 subclades below L91. G-L91 is now mostly found in South Corsica.

Cheers :)

torzio
14-03-20, 22:12
my families new split ............only up to 6.0

me


Distance to:
Torziok12b


1.89726118
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.40054542
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


4.63928874
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


4.65249395
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


4.82277928
Collegno23


4.86300319
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


5.02880702
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.21492090
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto






98.4
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
1.6
Szolad27



my father below


Distance to:
PonzanoK12b


2.96722092
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.88872171
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.02758391
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


5.03138152
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


5.17989382
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.65693380
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


5.67751706
Collegno49


5.88861614
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.95225167
Szolad28





81.4
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
10.6
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
8.0
Collegno47





my male cousin from Belluno


Distance to:
BelunPk12b


2.85040348
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


2.89129729
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


2.95218563
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


3.00813896
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


3.06084956
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


4.34786154
Szolad28


5.05758836
Collegno23


5.50328993
Collegno49






39.6
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
25.2
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
16.8
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
16.8
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
1.6
Collegno49




my female 1st cousin from Trentino is below



Distance to:
TrentinoCles


2.53333772
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


2.88975778
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


3.48031608
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


3.75795157
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


3.85072720
Szolad28


4.27906532
Szolad43


5.06032608
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.88459005
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN








74.4
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto






14.6
Szolad43






11.0
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge

Jovialis
16-03-20, 18:22
The spread of steppe and Iranian-related ancestry in the islands of the western Mediterranean

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-020-1102-0

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/search?query=The+spread+of+steppe+and+Iranian-related+ancestry+in+the+islands+of+the+western+Med iterranean



I10364_Sardinia_BA_Alghero,0.00,0.00,5.79,0.24,64. 33,6.94,0.00,0.00,6.47,0.00,16.22,0.00
I10365_Sardinia_BA_Seulo,0.00,0.00,5.71,0.30,56.42 ,7.55,1.01,0.00,9.16,0.00,19.85,0.00
I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus,0.94,0.42,6.15,1.52,38. 84,7.43,0.00,0.00,12.67,0.00,31.00,1.03
I10371_Sicily_LBA_Marcita,0.00,0.00,7.07,0.00,48.5 9,0.00,0.00,0.00,14.15,0.00,30.20,0.00
I10372_Sicily_LBA_Marcita,0.00,0.00,2.92,0.00,50.2 5,6.43,0.00,0.00,9.53,0.00,30.75,0.12
I10373_Sicily_LBA_Marcita,0.00,0.00,2.73,0.00,47.9 9,6.22,0.00,0.00,12.46,0.88,29.57,0.14
I10502_Sardinia_BA_Anulù_Seui,0.59,0.00,0.00,0.00 ,72.27,2.04,0.00,0.00,0.00,4.67,20.43,0.00
I10552_Sardinia_BA_Perdasdefogu,0.00,0.00,3.48,0.1 7,72.12,6.36,0.00,0.00,7.01,0.00,10.86,0.00
I10553_Sardinia_BA_Perdasdefogu,0.00,0.00,3.30,0.0 0,68.13,7.19,0.00,0.00,8.46,0.00,12.92,0.00
I10554_Sardinia_BA_Perdasdefogu,0.00,0.00,4.12,0.3 1,68.87,5.38,0.00,0.00,7.21,0.00,14.03,0.07
I11442_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.00,4.78,0.0 0,48.03,9.39,0.00,0.00,10.84,0.47,26.48,0.00
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II,5.49,1.21,1.46,0.3 8,38.60,32.29,1.45,0.00,2.98,0.00,16.12,0.00
I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi,5.54, 0.00,7.01,0.00,30.98,6.58,0.00,1.79,14.89,0.00,33. 21,0.00
I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi,10.18 ,0.00,4.46,0.00,37.70,19.25,0.00,0.00,10.22,0.00,1 7.70,0.49
I12223_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi,5.67, 0.00,0.00,0.00,26.52,0.00,0.37,0.00,21.57,3.33,42. 54,0.00
I14675_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Serra_Crabiles,0.00,0 .00,5.36,0.00,68.28,6.12,0.00,0.00,7.09,0.21,12.94 ,0.00
I14676_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Serra_Crabiles,0.00,0 .24,3.54,0.00,66.24,8.99,0.00,0.17,7.19,0.00,13.63 ,0.00
I14677_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Serra_Crabiles,0.00,0 .00,5.27,0.00,67.70,0.32,0.00,0.00,8.51,0.00,18.14 ,0.07
I14678_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Serra_Crabiles,0.00,0 .00,5.42,0.00,65.33,3.69,0.00,0.00,10.05,0.10,15.4 2,0.00
I15939_Sardinia_BA_contam_Anghelu_Ruju,3.90,1.87,8 .93,0.00,58.18,4.83,0.00,0.00,5.92,0.00,15.72,0.64
I15940_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.0 0,36.31,0.00,19.57,0.00,0.00,14.31,18.39,0.00,6.03 ,5.38
I15941_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.0 0,4.21,0.00,70.81,4.26,0.00,0.00,5.21,0.04,15.38,0 .07
I15942_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.0 0,2.99,0.00,68.81,2.54,0.00,0.00,6.79,0.29,18.46,0 .12
I15943_Sardinia_Neolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,4 .74,1.78,74.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,7.78,0.00,11.15,0.00
I15944_Sardinia_Neolithic_contam_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00 ,0.00,4.41,2.35,68.78,3.47,0.00,0.00,6.44,0.00,14. 56,0.00
I15945_Sardinia_Neolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,7 .16,0.00,67.26,3.63,0.00,0.00,6.47,0.00,14.89,0.59
I15946_Sardinia_Neolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,4 .06,0.00,68.31,4.12,0.00,0.00,10.81,0.62,12.07,0.0 0
I15946_Sardinia_Neolithic_contam_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00 ,0.00,1.48,2.63,58.73,2.73,0.00,0.63,6.27,0.00,27. 50,0.03
I16161_Sardinia_BA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,4.78,0.6 1,67.91,6.44,0.00,0.00,6.99,0.00,13.26,0.00
I16163_Sardinia_IA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.72,0.00,0.77,1.2 6,51.57,15.82,0.00,0.00,10.24,0.00,19.61,0.00
I16164_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Sa_Ucca_de_su_Tintirr iolu,0.00,0.00,0.53,0.00,65.94,6.69,0.00,0.00,8.46 ,0.06,18.32,0.00
I16165_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Sa_Ucca_de_su_Tintirr iolu,0.00,0.00,5.16,1.50,68.05,3.72,0.00,0.00,8.52 ,0.00,13.06,0.00
I16166_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Sa_Ucca_de_su_Tintirr iolu,0.00,0.00,2.29,0.00,62.86,8.55,0.00,0.00,8.30 ,0.00,18.01,0.00
I16168_Sardinia_BA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,3.37,0.0 0,68.14,2.95,0.00,0.00,9.45,0.00,15.79,0.31
I16169_Sardinia_BA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,4.43,0.0 0,67.80,4.25,0.00,0.00,5.88,0.00,17.64,0.00
I16170_Sardinia_BA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,2.85,0.8 2,66.53,6.22,0.00,0.04,7.19,0.00,16.02,0.34
I16183_Sardinia_BA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,2.30,0.7 3,65.78,5.96,0.00,0.00,13.06,0.00,12.16,0.00
I3122_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.00,5.09,0.00 ,57.77,4.27,0.00,0.00,9.57,0.33,22.98,0.00
I3123_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.00,4.39,0.02 ,48.74,11.73,0.00,0.00,9.86,0.00,25.27,0.00
I3124_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.49,3.79,0.00 ,49.27,15.29,0.00,0.00,7.27,0.12,23.76,0.00
I3125_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.00,3.57,0.00 ,46.58,5.20,0.02,0.00,11.20,0.00,33.40,0.02
I3315_Menorca_LBA_Naveta_des_Tudons_Menorca_Spain, 3.14,0.00,3.07,0.00,54.78,26.97,0.00,0.00,2.43,0.7 4,8.56,0.30
I3642_Sardinia_BA_Alghero,0.00,0.00,5.36,0.00,68.7 6,4.57,0.00,0.00,8.72,0.00,12.59,0.00
I3741_Sardinia_BA_Perdasdefogu,0.00,0.00,3.53,0.25 ,67.43,5.84,0.00,0.00,6.25,0.00,16.61,0.09
I3743_Sardinia_BA_Seulo,0.00,0.00,4.75,0.00,67.34, 6.57,0.00,0.00,8.71,0.00,12.63,0.00
I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita,0.44,0.00,3.32,0.45,45.73 ,8.05,0.00,0.00,8.38,0.00,33.09,0.54
I3878_Sicily_LBA_Marcita,0.00,0.00,4.85,0.00,47.71 ,6.41,0.00,0.00,11.13,0.83,28.97,0.11
I4062_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna,0.00,0.00,3.28,0. 00,53.85,2.15,0.00,0.00,12.51,0.00,28.21,0.00
I4063_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna,0.00,0.00,3.71,0. 00,57.80,3.16,0.00,0.00,11.58,0.00,23.71,0.03
I4064_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna,0.00,0.00,3.45,0. 00,55.87,1.16,0.00,0.06,13.36,0.00,26.02,0.07
I4065_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna,0.00,0.00,4.61,0. 00,52.59,8.80,0.00,0.23,9.64,0.00,24.13,0.00
I4109_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.00,3.84,0.00 ,47.80,4.53,0.00,0.00,12.50,0.00,31.33,0.00
I4329_Mallorca_EBA_Cova_des_Moro_Mallorca_Spain,7. 94,0.00,0.00,0.00,53.12,23.11,1.24,1.69,0.00,1.52, 10.73,0.65
I4383_Sicily_EBA_lowcov_Vallone_Inferno,0.00,0.00, 7.22,0.00,23.35,7.04,0.00,0.00,28.59,0.68,33.11,0. 00
I4420_all_Formentera_MBA_Formentera_Spain,3.80,0.0 0,5.00,1.21,55.42,21.66,1.49,0.00,2.20,0.00,8.82,0 .41
I4936_n/a,6.77,0.00,1.24,0.00,58.39,0.00,0.00,3.46,0.00,0. 00,30.15,0.00
I7774_d_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana ,0.00,0.00,0.68,0.17,54.27,4.45,0.00,0.00,14.42,0. 00,26.01,0.00
I7796_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana,0 .00,2.20,1.13,0.00,40.25,3.45,0.00,0.00,8.82,0.00, 44.16,0.00
I7800_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana,1 .14,0.00,4.99,2.71,43.75,15.60,0.00,0.00,13.10,0.0 0,18.70,0.00
I7805_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana,0 .00,3.49,5.84,0.00,53.55,3.73,0.00,0.00,16.77,0.00 ,16.63,0.00
I7807_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana,0 .00,0.00,3.85,0.00,47.37,9.30,0.00,0.00,14.36,0.00 ,25.12,0.00
I8561_Sicily_EBA_Isnello,0.58,0.25,2.77,0.00,50.01 ,21.56,1.15,0.00,6.79,0.37,16.50,0.00

Jovialis
16-03-20, 18:40
https://i.imgur.com/MgxFp62.png

https://i.imgur.com/K7wes9P.png

Duarte
16-03-20, 19:08
The spread of steppe and Iranian-related ancestry in the islands of the western Mediterranean

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-020-1102-0

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/search?query=The+spread+of+steppe+and+Iranian-related+ancestry+in+the+islands+of+the+western+Med iterranean



I10364_Sardinia_BA_Alghero,0.00,0.00,5.79,0.24,64. 33,6.94,0.00,0.00,6.47,0.00,16.22,0.00
I10365_Sardinia_BA_Seulo,0.00,0.00,5.71,0.30,56.42 ,7.55,1.01,0.00,9.16,0.00,19.85,0.00
I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus,0.94,0.42,6.15,1.52,38. 84,7.43,0.00,0.00,12.67,0.00,31.00,1.03
I10371_Sicily_LBA_Marcita,0.00,0.00,7.07,0.00,48.5 9,0.00,0.00,0.00,14.15,0.00,30.20,0.00
I10372_Sicily_LBA_Marcita,0.00,0.00,2.92,0.00,50.2 5,6.43,0.00,0.00,9.53,0.00,30.75,0.12
I10373_Sicily_LBA_Marcita,0.00,0.00,2.73,0.00,47.9 9,6.22,0.00,0.00,12.46,0.88,29.57,0.14
I10502_Sardinia_BA_Anulù_Seui,0.59,0.00,0.00,0.00 ,72.27,2.04,0.00,0.00,0.00,4.67,20.43,0.00
I10552_Sardinia_BA_Perdasdefogu,0.00,0.00,3.48,0.1 7,72.12,6.36,0.00,0.00,7.01,0.00,10.86,0.00
I10553_Sardinia_BA_Perdasdefogu,0.00,0.00,3.30,0.0 0,68.13,7.19,0.00,0.00,8.46,0.00,12.92,0.00
I10554_Sardinia_BA_Perdasdefogu,0.00,0.00,4.12,0.3 1,68.87,5.38,0.00,0.00,7.21,0.00,14.03,0.07
I11442_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.00,4.78,0.0 0,48.03,9.39,0.00,0.00,10.84,0.47,26.48,0.00
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cae_II,5.49,1.21,1.46,0.38 ,38.60,32.29,1.45,0.00,2.98,0.00,16.12,0.00
I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi,5.54, 0.00,7.01,0.00,30.98,6.58,0.00,1.79,14.89,0.00,33. 21,0.00
I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi,10.18 ,0.00,4.46,0.00,37.70,19.25,0.00,0.00,10.22,0.00,1 7.70,0.49
I12223_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi,5.67, 0.00,0.00,0.00,26.52,0.00,0.37,0.00,21.57,3.33,42. 54,0.00
I14675_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Serra_Crabiles,0.00,0 .00,5.36,0.00,68.28,6.12,0.00,0.00,7.09,0.21,12.94 ,0.00
I14676_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Serra_Crabiles,0.00,0 .24,3.54,0.00,66.24,8.99,0.00,0.17,7.19,0.00,13.63 ,0.00
I14677_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Serra_Crabiles,0.00,0 .00,5.27,0.00,67.70,0.32,0.00,0.00,8.51,0.00,18.14 ,0.07
I14678_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Serra_Crabiles,0.00,0 .00,5.42,0.00,65.33,3.69,0.00,0.00,10.05,0.10,15.4 2,0.00
I15939_Sardinia_BA_contam_Anghelu_Ruju,3.90,1.87,8 .93,0.00,58.18,4.83,0.00,0.00,5.92,0.00,15.72,0.64
I15940_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.0 0,36.31,0.00,19.57,0.00,0.00,14.31,18.39,0.00,6.03 ,5.38
I15941_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.0 0,4.21,0.00,70.81,4.26,0.00,0.00,5.21,0.04,15.38,0 .07
I15942_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.0 0,2.99,0.00,68.81,2.54,0.00,0.00,6.79,0.29,18.46,0 .12
I15943_Sardinia_Neolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,4 .74,1.78,74.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,7.78,0.00,11.15,0.00
I15944_Sardinia_Neolithic_contam_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00 ,0.00,4.41,2.35,68.78,3.47,0.00,0.00,6.44,0.00,14. 56,0.00
I15945_Sardinia_Neolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,7 .16,0.00,67.26,3.63,0.00,0.00,6.47,0.00,14.89,0.59
I15946_Sardinia_Neolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,4 .06,0.00,68.31,4.12,0.00,0.00,10.81,0.62,12.07,0.0 0
I15946_Sardinia_Neolithic_contam_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00 ,0.00,1.48,2.63,58.73,2.73,0.00,0.63,6.27,0.00,27. 50,0.03
I16161_Sardinia_BA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,4.78,0.6 1,67.91,6.44,0.00,0.00,6.99,0.00,13.26,0.00
I16163_Sardinia_IA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.72,0.00,0.77,1.2 6,51.57,15.82,0.00,0.00,10.24,0.00,19.61,0.00
I16164_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Sa_Ucca_de_su_Tintirr iolu,0.00,0.00,0.53,0.00,65.94,6.69,0.00,0.00,8.46 ,0.06,18.32,0.00
I16165_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Sa_Ucca_de_su_Tintirr iolu,0.00,0.00,5.16,1.50,68.05,3.72,0.00,0.00,8.52 ,0.00,13.06,0.00
I16166_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Sa_Ucca_de_su_Tintirr iolu,0.00,0.00,2.29,0.00,62.86,8.55,0.00,0.00,8.30 ,0.00,18.01,0.00
I16168_Sardinia_BA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,3.37,0.0 0,68.14,2.95,0.00,0.00,9.45,0.00,15.79,0.31
I16169_Sardinia_BA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,4.43,0.0 0,67.80,4.25,0.00,0.00,5.88,0.00,17.64,0.00
I16170_Sardinia_BA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,2.85,0.8 2,66.53,6.22,0.00,0.04,7.19,0.00,16.02,0.34
I16183_Sardinia_BA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,2.30,0.7 3,65.78,5.96,0.00,0.00,13.06,0.00,12.16,0.00
I3122_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.00,5.09,0.00 ,57.77,4.27,0.00,0.00,9.57,0.33,22.98,0.00
I3123_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.00,4.39,0.02 ,48.74,11.73,0.00,0.00,9.86,0.00,25.27,0.00
I3124_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.49,3.79,0.00 ,49.27,15.29,0.00,0.00,7.27,0.12,23.76,0.00
I3125_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.00,3.57,0.00 ,46.58,5.20,0.02,0.00,11.20,0.00,33.40,0.02
I3315_Menorca_LBA_Naveta_des_Tudons_Menorca_Spain, 3.14,0.00,3.07,0.00,54.78,26.97,0.00,0.00,2.43,0.7 4,8.56,0.30
I3642_Sardinia_BA_Alghero,0.00,0.00,5.36,0.00,68.7 6,4.57,0.00,0.00,8.72,0.00,12.59,0.00
I3741_Sardinia_BA_Perdasdefogu,0.00,0.00,3.53,0.25 ,67.43,5.84,0.00,0.00,6.25,0.00,16.61,0.09
I3743_Sardinia_BA_Seulo,0.00,0.00,4.75,0.00,67.34, 6.57,0.00,0.00,8.71,0.00,12.63,0.00
I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita,0.44,0.00,3.32,0.45,45.73 ,8.05,0.00,0.00,8.38,0.00,33.09,0.54
I3878_Sicily_LBA_Marcita,0.00,0.00,4.85,0.00,47.71 ,6.41,0.00,0.00,11.13,0.83,28.97,0.11
I4062_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna,0.00,0.00,3.28,0. 00,53.85,2.15,0.00,0.00,12.51,0.00,28.21,0.00
I4063_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna,0.00,0.00,3.71,0. 00,57.80,3.16,0.00,0.00,11.58,0.00,23.71,0.03
I4064_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna,0.00,0.00,3.45,0. 00,55.87,1.16,0.00,0.06,13.36,0.00,26.02,0.07
I4065_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna,0.00,0.00,4.61,0. 00,52.59,8.80,0.00,0.23,9.64,0.00,24.13,0.00
I4109_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.00,3.84,0.00 ,47.80,4.53,0.00,0.00,12.50,0.00,31.33,0.00
I4329_Mallorca_EBA_Cova_des_Moro_Mallorca_Spain,7. 94,0.00,0.00,0.00,53.12,23.11,1.24,1.69,0.00,1.52, 10.73,0.65
I4383_Sicily_EBA_lowcov_Vallone_Inferno,0.00,0.00, 7.22,0.00,23.35,7.04,0.00,0.00,28.59,0.68,33.11,0. 00
I4420_all_Formentera_MBA_Formentera_Spain,3.80,0.0 0,5.00,1.21,55.42,21.66,1.49,0.00,2.20,0.00,8.82,0 .41
I4936_n/a,6.77,0.00,1.24,0.00,58.39,0.00,0.00,3.46,0.00,0. 00,30.15,0.00
I7774_d_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana ,0.00,0.00,0.68,0.17,54.27,4.45,0.00,0.00,14.42,0. 00,26.01,0.00
I7796_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana,0 .00,2.20,1.13,0.00,40.25,3.45,0.00,0.00,8.82,0.00, 44.16,0.00
I7800_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana,1 .14,0.00,4.99,2.71,43.75,15.60,0.00,0.00,13.10,0.0 0,18.70,0.00
I7805_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana,0 .00,3.49,5.84,0.00,53.55,3.73,0.00,0.00,16.77,0.00 ,16.63,0.00
I7807_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana,0 .00,0.00,3.85,0.00,47.37,9.30,0.00,0.00,14.36,0.00 ,25.12,0.00
I8561_Sicily_EBA_Isnello,0.58,0.25,2.77,0.00,50.01 ,21.56,1.15,0.00,6.79,0.37,16.50,0.00

Thanks Jovialis. Great job. My results with data above:

https://i.imgur.com/A4BfCxB.png

https://i.imgur.com/YKeP0kn.png

Salento
16-03-20, 19:24
Thanks Jovialis :)

https://i.imgur.com/YPd39md.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/99kXXiO.jpg

I see that the Sicilian I4383 went to Hell (Inferno) :grin:

Jovialis
16-03-20, 20:09
I see that the Sicilian I4383 went to Hell (Inferno) :grin:

His sin was being low-coverage. lol

Stuvanè
16-03-20, 20:25
Mine :)

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/89533863_838668393275928_11341947771813888_n.png?_ nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=b96e70&_nc_ohc=0UGCyLHH1r4AX9kIV2F&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=1a8a4b35c8065bd81c5af1bbe1d3f8d5&oe=5E96BE68

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/89852223_898559780580478_7389806844144779264_n.png ?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=b96e70&_nc_ohc=cUAXAiJMKEMAX8ocomV&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=818e2a9fda0037a1d043ccdf5545a073&oe=5E94A353

Palermo Trapani
16-03-20, 20:26
The spread of steppe and Iranian-related ancestry in the islands of the western Mediterranean

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-020-1102-0

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/search?query=The+spread+of+steppe+and+Iranian-related+ancestry+in+the+islands+of+the+western+Med iterranean



I10364_Sardinia_BA_Alghero,0.00,0.00,5.79,0.24,64. 33,6.94,0.00,0.00,6.47,0.00,16.22,0.00
I10365_Sardinia_BA_Seulo,0.00,0.00,5.71,0.30,56.42 ,7.55,1.01,0.00,9.16,0.00,19.85,0.00
I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus,0.94,0.42,6.15,1.52,38. 84,7.43,0.00,0.00,12.67,0.00,31.00,1.03
I10371_Sicily_LBA_Marcita,0.00,0.00,7.07,0.00,48.5 9,0.00,0.00,0.00,14.15,0.00,30.20,0.00
I10372_Sicily_LBA_Marcita,0.00,0.00,2.92,0.00,50.2 5,6.43,0.00,0.00,9.53,0.00,30.75,0.12
I10373_Sicily_LBA_Marcita,0.00,0.00,2.73,0.00,47.9 9,6.22,0.00,0.00,12.46,0.88,29.57,0.14
I10502_Sardinia_BA_Anulù_Seui,0.59,0.00,0.00,0.00 ,72.27,2.04,0.00,0.00,0.00,4.67,20.43,0.00
I10552_Sardinia_BA_Perdasdefogu,0.00,0.00,3.48,0.1 7,72.12,6.36,0.00,0.00,7.01,0.00,10.86,0.00
I10553_Sardinia_BA_Perdasdefogu,0.00,0.00,3.30,0.0 0,68.13,7.19,0.00,0.00,8.46,0.00,12.92,0.00
I10554_Sardinia_BA_Perdasdefogu,0.00,0.00,4.12,0.3 1,68.87,5.38,0.00,0.00,7.21,0.00,14.03,0.07
I11442_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.00,4.78,0.0 0,48.03,9.39,0.00,0.00,10.84,0.47,26.48,0.00
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cae_II,5.49,1.21,1.46,0.38 ,38.60,32.29,1.45,0.00,2.98,0.00,16.12,0.00
I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi,5.54, 0.00,7.01,0.00,30.98,6.58,0.00,1.79,14.89,0.00,33. 21,0.00
I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi,10.18 ,0.00,4.46,0.00,37.70,19.25,0.00,0.00,10.22,0.00,1 7.70,0.49
I12223_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi,5.67, 0.00,0.00,0.00,26.52,0.00,0.37,0.00,21.57,3.33,42. 54,0.00
I14675_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Serra_Crabiles,0.00,0 .00,5.36,0.00,68.28,6.12,0.00,0.00,7.09,0.21,12.94 ,0.00
I14676_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Serra_Crabiles,0.00,0 .24,3.54,0.00,66.24,8.99,0.00,0.17,7.19,0.00,13.63 ,0.00
I14677_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Serra_Crabiles,0.00,0 .00,5.27,0.00,67.70,0.32,0.00,0.00,8.51,0.00,18.14 ,0.07
I14678_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Serra_Crabiles,0.00,0 .00,5.42,0.00,65.33,3.69,0.00,0.00,10.05,0.10,15.4 2,0.00
I15939_Sardinia_BA_contam_Anghelu_Ruju,3.90,1.87,8 .93,0.00,58.18,4.83,0.00,0.00,5.92,0.00,15.72,0.64
I15940_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.0 0,36.31,0.00,19.57,0.00,0.00,14.31,18.39,0.00,6.03 ,5.38
I15941_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.0 0,4.21,0.00,70.81,4.26,0.00,0.00,5.21,0.04,15.38,0 .07
I15942_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.0 0,2.99,0.00,68.81,2.54,0.00,0.00,6.79,0.29,18.46,0 .12
I15943_Sardinia_Neolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,4 .74,1.78,74.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,7.78,0.00,11.15,0.00
I15944_Sardinia_Neolithic_contam_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00 ,0.00,4.41,2.35,68.78,3.47,0.00,0.00,6.44,0.00,14. 56,0.00
I15945_Sardinia_Neolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,7 .16,0.00,67.26,3.63,0.00,0.00,6.47,0.00,14.89,0.59
I15946_Sardinia_Neolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,4 .06,0.00,68.31,4.12,0.00,0.00,10.81,0.62,12.07,0.0 0
I15946_Sardinia_Neolithic_contam_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00 ,0.00,1.48,2.63,58.73,2.73,0.00,0.63,6.27,0.00,27. 50,0.03
I16161_Sardinia_BA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,4.78,0.6 1,67.91,6.44,0.00,0.00,6.99,0.00,13.26,0.00
I16163_Sardinia_IA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.72,0.00,0.77,1.2 6,51.57,15.82,0.00,0.00,10.24,0.00,19.61,0.00
I16164_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Sa_Ucca_de_su_Tintirr iolu,0.00,0.00,0.53,0.00,65.94,6.69,0.00,0.00,8.46 ,0.06,18.32,0.00
I16165_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Sa_Ucca_de_su_Tintirr iolu,0.00,0.00,5.16,1.50,68.05,3.72,0.00,0.00,8.52 ,0.00,13.06,0.00
I16166_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Sa_Ucca_de_su_Tintirr iolu,0.00,0.00,2.29,0.00,62.86,8.55,0.00,0.00,8.30 ,0.00,18.01,0.00
I16168_Sardinia_BA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,3.37,0.0 0,68.14,2.95,0.00,0.00,9.45,0.00,15.79,0.31
I16169_Sardinia_BA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,4.43,0.0 0,67.80,4.25,0.00,0.00,5.88,0.00,17.64,0.00
I16170_Sardinia_BA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,2.85,0.8 2,66.53,6.22,0.00,0.04,7.19,0.00,16.02,0.34
I16183_Sardinia_BA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,2.30,0.7 3,65.78,5.96,0.00,0.00,13.06,0.00,12.16,0.00
I3122_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.00,5.09,0.00 ,57.77,4.27,0.00,0.00,9.57,0.33,22.98,0.00
I3123_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.00,4.39,0.02 ,48.74,11.73,0.00,0.00,9.86,0.00,25.27,0.00
I3124_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.49,3.79,0.00 ,49.27,15.29,0.00,0.00,7.27,0.12,23.76,0.00
I3125_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.00,3.57,0.00 ,46.58,5.20,0.02,0.00,11.20,0.00,33.40,0.02
I3315_Menorca_LBA_Naveta_des_Tudons_Menorca_Spain, 3.14,0.00,3.07,0.00,54.78,26.97,0.00,0.00,2.43,0.7 4,8.56,0.30
I3642_Sardinia_BA_Alghero,0.00,0.00,5.36,0.00,68.7 6,4.57,0.00,0.00,8.72,0.00,12.59,0.00
I3741_Sardinia_BA_Perdasdefogu,0.00,0.00,3.53,0.25 ,67.43,5.84,0.00,0.00,6.25,0.00,16.61,0.09
I3743_Sardinia_BA_Seulo,0.00,0.00,4.75,0.00,67.34, 6.57,0.00,0.00,8.71,0.00,12.63,0.00
I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita,0.44,0.00,3.32,0.45,45.73 ,8.05,0.00,0.00,8.38,0.00,33.09,0.54
I3878_Sicily_LBA_Marcita,0.00,0.00,4.85,0.00,47.71 ,6.41,0.00,0.00,11.13,0.83,28.97,0.11
I4062_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna,0.00,0.00,3.28,0. 00,53.85,2.15,0.00,0.00,12.51,0.00,28.21,0.00
I4063_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna,0.00,0.00,3.71,0. 00,57.80,3.16,0.00,0.00,11.58,0.00,23.71,0.03
I4064_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna,0.00,0.00,3.45,0. 00,55.87,1.16,0.00,0.06,13.36,0.00,26.02,0.07
I4065_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna,0.00,0.00,4.61,0. 00,52.59,8.80,0.00,0.23,9.64,0.00,24.13,0.00
I4109_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.00,3.84,0.00 ,47.80,4.53,0.00,0.00,12.50,0.00,31.33,0.00
I4329_Mallorca_EBA_Cova_des_Moro_Mallorca_Spain,7. 94,0.00,0.00,0.00,53.12,23.11,1.24,1.69,0.00,1.52, 10.73,0.65
I4383_Sicily_EBA_lowcov_Vallone_Inferno,0.00,0.00, 7.22,0.00,23.35,7.04,0.00,0.00,28.59,0.68,33.11,0. 00
I4420_all_Formentera_MBA_Formentera_Spain,3.80,0.0 0,5.00,1.21,55.42,21.66,1.49,0.00,2.20,0.00,8.82,0 .41
I4936_n/a,6.77,0.00,1.24,0.00,58.39,0.00,0.00,3.46,0.00,0. 00,30.15,0.00
I7774_d_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana ,0.00,0.00,0.68,0.17,54.27,4.45,0.00,0.00,14.42,0. 00,26.01,0.00
I7796_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana,0 .00,2.20,1.13,0.00,40.25,3.45,0.00,0.00,8.82,0.00, 44.16,0.00
I7800_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana,1 .14,0.00,4.99,2.71,43.75,15.60,0.00,0.00,13.10,0.0 0,18.70,0.00
I7805_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana,0 .00,3.49,5.84,0.00,53.55,3.73,0.00,0.00,16.77,0.00 ,16.63,0.00
I7807_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana,0 .00,0.00,3.85,0.00,47.37,9.30,0.00,0.00,14.36,0.00 ,25.12,0.00
I8561_Sicily_EBA_Isnello,0.58,0.25,2.77,0.00,50.01 ,21.56,1.15,0.00,6.79,0.37,16.50,0.00

Grazie Mille Jovialis for putting these coordinates together!

Palermo Trapani
16-03-20, 20:40
My top 25 Distances:



Distance to:
PalermoTrapani


8.41816488
I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi


12.24358199
I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus


17.04939588
I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi


18.04210354
I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


19.50048205
I7800_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


19.53551126
I3125_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II


19.79989646
I7807_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


20.02307669
I11442_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


20.11438789
I3878_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


20.19769789
I4383_Sicily_EBA_lowcov_Vallone_Inferno


20.29788659
I10373_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


20.67843563
I4109_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II


20.69572178
I12223_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi


20.72742628
I3123_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


20.83430824
I7796_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


22.17047135
I3124_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


22.34168973
I10372_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


23.91030740
I10371_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


24.91285411
I4065_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna


25.33204690
I16163_Sardinia_IA_Anghelu_Ruju


27.05956947
I4062_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna


27.12667138
I7774_d_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


27.29963187
I8561_Sicily_EBA_Isnello


27.52953505
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cae_II


29.54683063
I4064_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna







Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 8.4182% / 8.41816488 | ADC: 2x



100.0
I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi








Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 6.6944% / 6.69436183 | ADC: 1x



88.2
I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi





11.8
I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi








Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 4.4792% / 4.47919540 | ADC: 0.5x



83.4
I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi





16.6
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cae_II






Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 3.2307% / 3.23073580 | ADC: 0.25x
61.4 I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi
24.4 I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cae_II
14.2 I12223_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi

Angela
16-03-20, 21:50
Mine:


Distance to:
Angela


11.07102073
I3124_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


12.45045381
I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi


12.92201610
I3123_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


13.25026415
I7800_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


14.38574642
I11442_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


14.57788050
I8561_Sicily_EBA_Isnello


14.73415759
I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


14.81628496
I16163_Sardinia_IA_Anghelu_Ruju


15.79691742
I7807_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


15.80730211
I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus


16.70378700
I3878_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


17.27354625
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


17.27547394
I4065_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna


17.35155036
I10373_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


17.50997430
I10372_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


18.19678818
I3125_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II


18.98625292
I4109_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II


20.53280302
I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi


21.71147162
I4329_Mallorca_EBA_Cova_des_Moro_Mallorca_Spain


21.76161759
I10365_Sardinia_BA_Seulo


22.44907570
I7774_d_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


23.14636041
I4062_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna


23.65012685
I4420_all_Formentera_MBA_Formentera_Spain


23.76692870
I10371_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


23.88911677
I3122_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II



Not bad for Early Bronze, so pre-steppe, pre-Greek and eastern Mediterranean.



Target: Angela
Distance: 1.5322% / 1.53221931




49.8
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II





25.2
I7796_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana





8.0
I4936_n/a





7.8
I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita





5.8
I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi





3.4
I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi







Target: Angela
Distance: 2.1261% / 2.12605528 | ADC: 0.25x




42.4
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II





35.0
I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita





12.4
I7796_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana





10.2
I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi

Palermo Trapani
17-03-20, 01:32
Mine:


Distance to:
Angela


11.07102073
I3124_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


12.45045381
I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi


12.92201610
I3123_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


13.25026415
I7800_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


14.38574642
I11442_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


14.57788050
I8561_Sicily_EBA_Isnello


14.73415759
I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


14.81628496
I16163_Sardinia_IA_Anghelu_Ruju


15.79691742
I7807_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


15.80730211
I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus


16.70378700
I3878_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


17.27354625
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


17.27547394
I4065_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna


17.35155036
I10373_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


17.50997430
I10372_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


18.19678818
I3125_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II


18.98625292
I4109_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II


20.53280302
I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi


21.71147162
I4329_Mallorca_EBA_Cova_des_Moro_Mallorca_Spain


21.76161759
I10365_Sardinia_BA_Seulo


22.44907570
I7774_d_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


23.14636041
I4062_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna


23.65012685
I4420_all_Formentera_MBA_Formentera_Spain


23.76692870
I10371_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


23.88911677
I3122_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II



Not bad for Early Bronze, so pre-steppe, pre-Greek and eastern Mediterranean.



Target: Angela
Distance: 1.5322% / 1.53221931



49.8
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II





25.2
I7796_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana





8.0
I4936_n/a





7.8
I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita





5.8
I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi





3.4
I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi







Target: Angela
Distance: 2.1261% / 2.12605528 | ADC: 0.25x



42.4
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II





35.0
I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita





12.4
I7796_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana





10.2
I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi






Angela: Looking at your results, I think you have said your family is from Tuscany and Liguria? Is that correct, you have good distances with these ancient Sicilians and Sardinians, my best I think is 3% which is good, you have 2 < than that. I am wondering if what I have come to think is correct, and the Park Information at Segesta Trapani states this is that the Elymi were a Ligurian population and the Sicani maybe came from Iberia. Any thoughts?

torzio
17-03-20, 02:00
Angela: Looking at your results, I think you have said your family is from Tuscany and Liguria? Is that correct, you have good distances with these ancient Sicilians and Sardinians, my best I think is 3% which is good, you have 2 < than that. I am wondering if what I have come to think is correct, and the Park Information at Segesta Trapani states this is that the Elymi were a Ligurian population and the Sicani maybe came from Iberia. Any thoughts?

My top 3 are same as angela , but starting at 12

Palermo Trapani
17-03-20, 18:29
Torzio: Yes, I see many here whose ancestors are from various regions having reasonable distances with these ancient Sardinian and Sicilian samples. To me, at least with respect to the Sicilian samples, it is consistent with the hypothesis that the Elymi were related to the Ligures, whose territory included modern Liguria and parts of Piedmont South of the Po River and NW Tuscany. I have said this before in other posts but I spend an entire day in Segesta last summer at the Archaeological park there and that was the what all the official park literature and Brochures indicated was the most probably origin of the Elymi people. I purchased one, nice photos and good write up about Segesta and the Elymi.

Once again, thanks for the response and thanks to Jovialis again for putting together the sample coordinates.

torzio
17-03-20, 19:06
Torzio: Yes, I see many here whose ancestors are from various regions having reasonable distances with these ancient Sardinian and Sicilian samples. To me, at least with respect to the Sicilian samples, it is consistent with the hypothesis that the Elymi were related to the Ligures, whose territory included modern Liguria and parts of Piedmont South of the Po River and NW Tuscany. I have said this before in other posts but I spend an entire day in Segesta last summer at the Archaeological park there and that was the what all the official park literature and Brochures indicated was the most probably origin of the Elymi people. I purchased one, nice photos and good write up about Segesta and the Elymi.

Once again, thanks for the response and thanks to Jovialis again for putting together the sample coordinates.

Ligures lands changed a lot in history, so it depends on the time in question...........I have read that the , Ligures and Elymi are related from ancient times, but also related with southern france from rhone river to Italy, this was also Ligures.............then there is the story of Corsica .......what was it it ancient times excluding greek and etruscan settlements or more modern the genoese mix

Palermo Trapani
18-03-20, 18:26
Torzio: Ok, I forgot that Yes Greeks founded some settlements in Southern France adjacent to modern Liguria and the Estrucans expanded North so by the time of the Roman Republic.

Palermo Trapani
20-03-20, 20:30
I added the recent new data provided by Jovialis and rest of Eupedia team (Ancient Sardinian and Sicilian samples) to the other ancient samples K12b dodecad spreadsheet that I ran on my personal computer (I do not mean that I edited the actual K12 spreadsheet). Distances of 0.568 using 0.25x to 2.1 sing 2x. R52 and R56 continue to be the leaders using 2x for every estimation I have run. Anyway, hope everyone is doing well during what is becoming more and more a total lock-down. Cheers.



Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 2.1017% / 2.10165024 | ADC: 2x



55.0
R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna





45.0
R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna








Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 1.6478% / 1.64778114 | ADC: 1x



52.2
R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna





25.6
R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio





21.4
R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna





0.8
R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche








Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 1.1565% / 1.15648936 | ADC: 0.5x



41.4
R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna





27.2
R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio





15.4
R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna





10.0
R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche





3.0
R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia





2.2
I3808_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE





0.8
I7499_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE









Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 0.5680% / 0.56798132 | ADC: 0.25x



47.8
R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna





14.2
R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche





13.0
R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio





8.0
R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia





5.8
R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna





5.4
R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro





3.6
I7499_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE





1.4
BAJ001_Baja_PPNB





0.6
I4383_Sicily_EBA_lowcov_Vallone_Inferno





0.2
I1704_AG89_1_Early_LPPNB

Jovialis
21-03-20, 00:14
Genome flux and stasis in a five millennium transect of European prehistory

(http://www.y-str.org/p/ancient-dna.html)

BR1_Hungary_2080BC,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,45.03,54.84 ,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.13,0.00
BR2_Hungary_1180BC,1.09,0.00,0.38,0.00,36.78,41.52 ,0.00,0.00,3.74,0.00,16.14,0.36
CO1_Hungary_2810BC,0.00,0.00,1.54,0.00,65.12,9.70, 0.00,0.00,5.33,0.00,18.31,0.00
IR1_Hungary_900BC,12.79,4.22,0.00,0.00,24.04,43.85 ,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,15.09,0.00
KO1_Hungary_5710BC,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,22.65,77.20 ,0.15,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
KO2_Hungary_5640BC,0.00,0.00,6.93,0.00,54.74,0.00, 0.00,0.00,8.75,0.00,29.58,0.00
NE1_Hungary_5230BC,0.00,0.00,2.35,0.00,49.16,4.72, 0.00,0.00,13.36,0.00,30.41,0.00
NE2_Hungary_5140BC,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,68.57,12.56 ,0.00,0.00,6.86,0.00,12.02,0.00
NE3_Hungary_5130BC,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,62.82,9.32, 0.00,0.00,5.06,0.00,22.81,0.00
NE4_Hungary_5130BC,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,63.48,6.13, 0.00,0.00,7.98,0.00,22.41,0.00
NE5_Hungary_5120BC,0.00,0.00,0.23,0.00,65.52,0.00, 0.00,0.00,10.97,0.00,23.27,0.00
NE6_Hungary_5090BC,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,63.60,0.00, 0.00,0.00,11.43,0.00,24.97,0.00
NE7_Hungary_4420BC,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,51.44,48.56 ,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00


https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms6257
CSV files downloaded from http://www.y-str.org/p/ancient-dna.html

Palermo Trapani
21-03-20, 00:20
Jovialis: Thanks for these updated samples, Gives me something to do with this lock down situation, etc. Here are my distances for those samples.



Distance to:
PalermoTrapani


21.82728797
NE1_Hungary_5230BC


29.09814255
KO2_Hungary_5640BC


34.39944476
BR2_Hungary_1180BC


35.44392755
NE3_Hungary_5130BC


36.15288785
NE4_Hungary_5130BC


37.18422381
NE6_Hungary_5090BC


38.18388404
IR1_Hungary_900BC


38.61864446
CO1_Hungary_2810BC


39.21603499
NE5_Hungary_5120BC


43.83685892
NE2_Hungary_5140BC


53.63528410
NE7_Hungary_4420BC


55.86616597
BR1_Hungary_2080BC


72.99591427
KO1_Hungary_5710BC



Same distances as above in plain text format. Blue is hard to see.
Distance to: PalermoTrapani
21.82728797 NE1_Hungary_5230BC
29.09814255 KO2_Hungary_5640BC
34.39944476 BR2_Hungary_1180BC
35.44392755 NE3_Hungary_5130BC
36.15288785 NE4_Hungary_5130BC
37.18422381 NE6_Hungary_5090BC
38.18388404 IR1_Hungary_900BC
38.61864446 CO1_Hungary_2810BC
39.21603499 NE5_Hungary_5120BC
43.83685892 NE2_Hungary_5140BC
53.63528410 NE7_Hungary_4420BC
55.86616597 BR1_Hungary_2080BC
72.99591427 KO1_Hungary_5710BC

Jovialis
21-03-20, 00:48
Here is mine:

https://i.imgur.com/BzlzfAr.png
https://i.imgur.com/COVixhD.png

Duarte
21-03-20, 01:06
Hi Trapani. THX [email protected]: You are doing a wonderful job in developing the Dodecad K12b ancient calculator.
My results with the new source data you posted:

https://i.imgur.com/dTyFv2o.png

https://i.imgur.com/KN3Wk8A.png

Angela
21-03-20, 02:46
Distance to:
Angela


19.44582217
NE1_Hungary_5230BC


24.88092643
NE3_Hungary_5130BC


25.00309981
KO2_Hungary_5640BC


25.39413515
BR2_Hungary_1180BC


27.06246478
NE4_Hungary_5130BC


27.73900503
CO1_Hungary_2810BC


30.83426017
NE6_Hungary_5090BC


32.31379117
NE5_Hungary_5120BC


32.47433910
NE2_Hungary_5140BC


33.85984495
IR1_Hungary_900BC


41.72462582
NE7_Hungary_4420BC


45.25534223
BR1_Hungary_2080BC


66.81439516
KO1_Hungary_5710BC



Not great, but still...NE1 is a 7,000 year old sample.



Target: Angela
Distance: 5.0309% / 5.03094683 | ADC: 0.5x


62.4
NE1_Hungary_5230BC





19.6
BR2_Hungary_1180BC





18.0
IR1_Hungary_900BC








Target: Angela
Distance: 3.9032% / 3.90318526 | ADC: 0.25x


50.6
NE1_Hungary_5230BC





30.4
IR1_Hungary_900BC





11.2
KO2_Hungary_5640BC





7.8
BR2_Hungary_1180BC









Target: Angela
Distance: 3.6196% / 3.61959977


36.2
IR1_Hungary_900BC





34.2
NE1_Hungary_5230BC





26.4
KO2_Hungary_5640BC





3.2
BR2_Hungary_1180BC





Just for curiosity. :)

Well, there you go:


Distance to:
NE1_Hungary_5230BC


17.98749165
France_Corsica


22.71544272
Italy_Marche


23.09781267
Italy_Tuscany


23.26642646
Italy_Romagna


23.62663256
Italy_Campania


23.90972168
Italy_Emilia


23.97602115
Italy_Liguria


24.20452437
Morocco_Jews


24.36727404
Italy_Lazio


24.50136975
Italy_Abruzzo


24.78742829
Italy_Calabria


25.03199163
Italy_Sicily


25.05596935
Sardinian


25.11970541
Sephardic_Jews


25.26654621
Italy_Lombardy


25.68698892
Andalucia


26.14215370
Ashkenazi


26.29361519
Baleares


26.31152219
Murcia


27.16657689
Ashkenazy_Jews


27.26620014
Italy_Piedmont


27.40877465
Italy_Apulia


27.51232815
Canarias


27.58470953
Greek


28.27292481
Italy_Veneto



If that Corsican sample wasn't submitted by that Italian racist, whom I don't trust at all to submit a representative sample, I'd start thinking maybe Corsicans harbor a lot of really archaic EEF ancestry, which I may harbor as well? Or maybe it's because the Corsican sample he chose has a lot of Ligurian and Tuscan ancestry, which I also carry?

The oldest sample...again, there you go...


Distance to:
KO2_Hungary_5640BC


18.78794826
Sardinian


24.20574345
France_Corsica


26.39285509
Andalucia


27.90916337
Murcia


28.19193856
Canarias


28.82647047
Baleares


29.70977465
Italy_Tuscany


29.84096342
Italy_Marche


29.93355976
Morocco_Jews


30.19492341
Italy_Romagna


30.20982208
Italy_Liguria


30.21354251
Italy_Emilia


30.75921650
Castilla_Y_Leon


30.88364292
Castilla_La_Mancha


30.93765343
Extremadura


30.95598950
Italy_Campania


31.10530497
Italy_Lombardy


31.12785569
Spaniards


31.19113977
Galicia


31.35823975
Valencia


31.44546015
Italy_Lazio


31.54411514
Aragon


31.57089641
Portuguese


31.57546516
Sephardic_Jews


31.63464872
Italy_Abruzzo



Bronze Age 1-Northwest European That's what it looked like when the paper came out.


Distance to:
BR1_Hungary_2080BC


12.23933822
Norwegian


13.58254026
British_Isles


14.57440908
Swedish


14.86349219
Orkney


15.37242336
Orcadian


15.44038212
CEU30


15.44797074
English


15.51519900
Dutch


15.52395568
Irish


15.89749351
Kent


16.05700470
British


16.71362917
Argyll


16.73115059
Cornwall


17.66673145
Mixed_Germanic


18.39835319
German


21.41969888
French


21.74062097
French


25.52017633
Hungarians


28.34050282
Polish


29.08962874
Croat


30.79556624
Bosnian


31.23188333
Italy_Aosta_Valley


32.88461798
Mixed_Slav


32.89634326
Cataluna


33.53238703
Italy_Trentino



Bronze Age 2-I said French like at the time...a little off...however, most of the German samples are from Southwest Germany, aren't they? They're pretty "eastern French like". Makes sense this is my closest post Neolithic one.


Distance to:
BR2_Hungary_1180BC


10.88460381
Croat


11.92082631
German


12.23653546
Bosnian


12.39104919
Hungarians


13.14880620
Italy_Aosta_Valley


13.22641902
Italy_Trentino


13.77661787
French


13.83621697
French


14.46242934
Swiss_Italian


14.46478828
Mixed_Germanic


14.62904084
Italy_FriuliVG


15.43936851
Dutch


16.10874607
Macedonian


16.58814569
Italy_Veneto


17.02055228
Kent


17.35004611
CEU30


17.40313564
Italy_Piedmont


17.50972016
English


18.02390357
Pomak


18.15252324
British_Isles


18.44310440
Romanians


18.48424587
Italy_Lombardy


19.27215868
Cornwall


19.64846304
British


19.99509190
Bulgarians



Iron Age I: Less French like. Makes sense he's further for me.


Distance to:
IR1_Hungary_900BC


11.14675738
Croat


11.30375159
Bosnian


11.30410103
Hungarians


13.34266465
German


17.49178950
Mixed_Germanic


18.40167112
Macedonian


18.47205186
Pomak


19.03341010
Dutch


19.68381823
Romanians


21.31583214
Bulgarian


21.33708509
Gagauz


21.53371078
CEU30


21.74191804
Kent


21.77721057
English


21.88119512
Swedish


22.22464569
Italy_FriuliVG


22.28871239
Bulgarians


22.73545029
Norwegian


22.95780260
Argyll


23.21613017
British_Isles


23.23178857
French


23.44609818
Italy_Trentino


23.63692528
Italy_Aosta_Valley


23.70930830
French


23.84149114
Orkney

Salento
21-03-20, 03:14
Here is mine:

https://i.imgur.com/BzlzfAr.png
https://i.imgur.com/COVixhD.png

... and mine, Thanks J :)

https://i.imgur.com/s6e6VGy.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/uVYaz4F.jpg

torzio
21-03-20, 05:56
Distance to:Torziok12b


13.91970186
BR2_Hungary_1180BC


22.67436658
IR1_Hungary_900BC


30.79281085
NE1_Hungary_5230BC


32.97969072
NE7_Hungary_4420BC


33.99367735
NE3_Hungary_5130BC


34.75063453
BR1_Hungary_2080BC


35.51276672
CO1_Hungary_2810BC


36.36981716
NE4_Hungary_5130BC


36.85568070
KO2_Hungary_5640BC


37.80136109
NE2_Hungary_5140BC


41.07214871
NE6_Hungary_5090BC


42.16881905
NE5_Hungary_5120BC


54.34693000
KO1_Hungary_5710BC








41.8
IR1_Hungary_900BC






37.6
NE1_Hungary_5230BC






20.6
BR2_Hungary_1180BC




Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 2.3039% / 2.30394672




47.6
IR1_Hungary_900BC






39.2
NE1_Hungary_5230BC






6.0
BR2_Hungary_1180BC






3.6
KO1_Hungary_5710BC






3.2
KO2_Hungary_5640BC






0.4
NE5_Hungary_5120BC

hrvclv
21-03-20, 09:56
Mine :

13.98373698 -- BR2_Hungary_1180BC
24.10326949 -- NE7_Hungary_4420BC
25.05234320 -- IR1_Hungary_900BC
27.85867190 -- BR1_Hungary_2080BC
31.54795873 -- NE3_Hungary_5130BC
31.59323662 -- CO1_Hungary_2810BC
32.05247416 -- NE2_Hungary_5140BC
34.37832748 -- NE4_Hungary_5130BC
34.38928903 -- NE1_Hungary_5230BC
38.30585856 -- KO2_Hungary_5640BC
40.39522992 -- NE6_Hungary_5090BC
40.80712315 -- NE5_Hungary_5120BC
52.67636852 -- KO1_Hungary_5710BC

Stuvanè
21-03-20, 12:45
Mine

Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
20.89569573 BR2_Hungary_1180BC
26.34686699 NE1_Hungary_5230BC
27.34741853 IR1_Hungary_900BC
33.27912258 KO2_Hungary_5640BC
33.67565144 NE3_Hungary_5130BC
35.58526099 NE4_Hungary_5130BC
36.07783253 CO1_Hungary_2810BC
39.10597397 NE6_Hungary_5090BC
39.74953962 NE2_Hungary_5140BC
40.62570984 NE5_Hungary_5120BC
40.80869515 NE7_Hungary_4420BC
42.58350620 BR1_Hungary_2080BC
60.56634709 KO1_Hungary_5710BC


https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/90779145_836101946864759_681411112859598848_n.png? _nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=b96e70&_nc_ohc=dacP3NUKK48AX-aRVd2&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=95ceb51cc5386d9c6b00f0bf51b3cd3a&oe=5E9BFBD2

Palermo Trapani
21-03-20, 18:25
Hi Duarte: Not sure this is the place but how are things in Brazil? with the Covid-19 situation. Hope you, your family and country are holding up well.

Duarte
21-03-20, 18:47
Hi Duarte: Not sure this is the place but how are things in Brazil? with the Covid-19 situation. Hope you, your family and country are holding up well.

Hello Trapani. Me and the family are fine. We are in quarentine. The government of my State ordered the closure of State borders and the compulsory closure of trade and the halt of all non-essential activities at least for 15 days. State governors and city mayors in Brazil are aware of the seriousness of the situation and are taking steps that the federal government is not taking. We have a cognitive impaired president of the republic. Unfortunately, the free movement of people and goods between the states of the country has been interrupted. Difficult but necessary measure. I hope everything is fine with you and your family too. Thank you for your concern. This is a time when solidarity must prevail and all swoops left aside. A big hug and stay with God.


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Palermo Trapani
21-03-20, 22:47
Duarte: Good to hear that. We are in quasi-quarantine in my home state. You can go to the Grocery stores (Super Mercato's in Sicily when I was there!) and gas stations. Restaurants that can provide drive through service are open. Schools have been shut down almost 2 weeks. Is there a Covid-19 virus forum somewhere that people can check in to see how various Eupedia community members are doing? If there is one, give me a heads up. God Bless and keep you.

Jovialis
22-03-20, 17:37
Population genomics of Bronze Age Eurasia

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507

csv files downloaded from y-str.org's google drive:


RISE00_Sope_Estonia_~2000_years,10.49,0.15,0,0,31. 63,56.79,0.94,0,0,0,0,0
RISE1_Oblaczkowo_Poland_4117_years,9.53,2.23,0,0,2 0.52,67.27,0,0,0,0,0.46,0
RISE109_Wojkowice_Poland_3544_years,3.35,0,0,0,31. 56,65.09,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE139_Chociwell_Poland_3645_years,0.56,3.78,0,0, 22.47,70.41,2.78,0,0,0,0,0
RISE145_Polwica_Poland_3677_years,0,0,9.67,0,9.93, 66.99,0,0,0,0,13.42,0
RISE150_Przeclawice_Poland_3469_years,13.55,0,0,0. 5,33.51,50.2,0,0,0,0,1.75,0.5
RISE154_Szczepankowice_Poland_3522_years,17.57,0,0 ,0,34.72,47.71,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE174_Oxie_7_Sweden_1521_years,8.8,0,0.53,0,35.1 5,55.15,0,0,0,0,0,0.37
RISE175_Abekas_I_Sweden_3025_years,0,0,0,0,44.56,5 5.44,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE179_Abekas_I_Sweden_3556_years,4.21,0,0,0,40.4 2,55.37,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE207_Angamollan_Sweden_3130_years,0,0,0,0,34.31 ,62.47,0,0,0,0,0,3.22
RISE21_Karlstrup_Denmark_3092_years,4.12,0,0,5.51, 46.97,43.4,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE210_Angamollan_Sweden_3105_years,10.3,0,0,0,40 .72,43.49,0,0,0,0,5.5,0
RISE240_Sukhaya_Termista_I_Russia_4160_years,26.6, 1.31,0,0,7.93,64.16,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE247_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3372_years,0,0,0.19,0,52.39,27.43, 0,0,2.61,0,17.38,0
RISE254_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years,4.81,0,0.49,0,48.4,32.0 1,0,0,2.98,1.42,9.88,0
RISE276_Trundholm_mose_II_2525_years,4.46,0,0,0,36 .93,57.3,0,0,0,0,1.32,0
RISE349_Battonya_Voros_Oktober_Hungary_3588_years, 0,0,3.61,0,41.84,33.6,2.82,0,0,0,17.77,0.36
RISE371_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3653_years,0,0,0,0,44.88,53.78 ,0,1.34,0,0,0,0
RISE373_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3476_years,0,0,0,0.21,49.26,37 .31,0,0,0,0,13.22,0
RISE374_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3402_years,0,0,0,0,39.96,34.85 ,0.68,0,1.95,0,20.5,2.06
RISE386_Bulanovo_Russia_3775_years,15.34,0.38,0,0, 24.56,55.73,0,0,0,0,3.31,0.68
RISE391_Tanabergen_II_Kazakhstan_3612_years,21.58, 0,1.04,0,23.99,46.8,0,0,0,0,6.6,0
RISE392_Stepnoe_VII_Russia_3626_years,12.29,0,0.39 ,0,30.03,57.18,0,0,0,0,0,0.11
RISE394_Bulanovo_Russia_3532_years,16.36,0,0,0,26. 29,56.64,0,0,0,0,0.71,0
RISE395_Bol'shekaraganskii_Russia_3540_years,14.51 ,0,0,0,30.54,54.26,0,0,0,0,0.16,0.52
RISE396_Kapan_Armenia_2879_years,21.01,0,0,0,6.81, 25.6,0,0,9.62,0,36.97,0
RISE397_Kapan_Armenia_2807_years,21.25,0,0,0,16.48 ,23.51,0,0,1.62,0,37.13,0.01
RISE407_Norabak_Armenia_2827_years,28.33,0,0.69,0, 12.13,23.78,0,0,2.51,0,31.83,0.73
RISE408_Norabak_Armenia_2908_years,28.13,0,0,0,11. 37,26.95,0.37,0,1.23,0,31.94,0
RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years,11.73,0,0,0,5.1 9,21.74,0,0,6.78,0,54.57,0
RISE413_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3493_years,24.72, 0,2.77,0,18.39,20.9,0,3.74,6.87,0,22.6,0
RISE416_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3259_years,34.36, 0,0,0,31.72,15.75,0,0,0,0,18.17,0
RISE42_Marbjerg_Denmark_3681_years,0,0,0,5.68,30.0 9,64.23,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE423_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3038_years,22.08, 0,1.29,1.34,9.55,23.37,0,0,7.32,0,33.39,1.67
RISE431_Leki_Male_Poland_3762_years,0.12,0,0,0,35. 39,58.83,0,0,0,0,5.67,0
RISE434_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4161_years,15.93,0,0,0,2 3.21,60.04,0,0,0,0,0,0.82
RISE435_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4094_years,1.49,0,0,0,21 .13,68.03,0,0,0,0,9.36,0
RISE436_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4124_years,4.85,0,0,0,33 .39,44.75,0,0.03,0,3.08,12.21,1.7
RISE446_Bergrheinfeld_Germany_4015_years,10.44,0,0 ,0,25.54,64.02,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE47_Sebber_skole_Denmark_3153_years,4.99,0,0,0, 37.63,55.78,0,0,0,0,1.6,0
RISE471_Untermeitingen_Germany,2.99,0,0,0,48.42,32 .55,0,0,0,0,16.04,0
RISE479_Erd_4_Hungary_~2000_years,0,0,0.27,0,39.21 ,60.52,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE480_Erd_4_Hungary,0,0,0,0,41.41,35.75,0,0,3.16 ,0,19.46,0.22
RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary,0,0,0,0,40.97,40.03,0,0,2.86 ,0,16.15,0
RISE484_Erd_4_Hungary,2.51,0,0,0,50.99,45.13,0,0,0 .92,0,0.45,0
RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years,0,0,0. 97,2.12,59.48,10.97,0,0,9.02,0,15.53,1.91
RISE487_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_4557_years,0,0,1. 36,0,75.55,12.12,0,0,0.84,0,9.88,0.24
RISE489_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_4185_years,0,0,0, 0,72.08,12.24,0,0,5.69,0,9.99,0
RISE492_Sabinka_2_Russia_2257_years,9.76,12.06,0,1 0.5,20.6,47.08,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE493_Sabinka_2_Russia_3214_years,13.47,28.51,0, 0,7.07,37.85,2.69,0,0,9.09,0.12,1.2
RISE494_Sabinka_2_Russia_3081_years,21.35,1.64,0,0 ,22.77,54.16,0,0,0.01,0,0,0.07
RISE495_Arban_1_Russia,12.99,29.11,0,0,6.27,37.55, 0.92,0,0,12.94,0,0.22
RISE496_Arban_1_3070_years,17.38,15.68,0,0,13.51,5 0.77,0,0,0,2.18,0,0.48
RISE497_Arban_1_~2000_years,5.25,57.54,0,0,0,7.25, 0.67,0,0,28.7,0,0.59
RISE499_Bystrovka_Russia_~2000_years,17.6,11.54,0, 0,17.81,51.66,0,0,0,1.03,0,0.36
RISE500_Kytmanovo_Russia_~2000_years,14.67,0.33,0, 0.35,22.75,57.51,0.79,0,0,0,3.21,0.38
RISE502_Bystrovka_Russia_3140_years,17.68,18.85,0, 0,8.64,46.71,2.18,0.08,0,5.83,0,0.03
RISE503_Kytmanovo_Russia_3328_years,18.12,0,0,0,28 .78,52.95,0,0,0,0,0,0.14
RISE504_Kytmanovo_Russia_1208_years,9.42,34.33,0,2 .38,2.11,21.36,0,0,0,27.69,2.65,0.06
RISE505_Kytmanovo_Russia_3391_years,19.18,2.59,0,0 ,19.27,54.74,1.62,0,0,0,2.07,0.52
RISE507/8_River_Kuyum_Russia_4423_years,25.75,0,0,0,12.07, 61.65,0,0,0,0.18,0,0.34
RISE509_Bateni_Russia_4186_years,27.1,0.32,0,0.14, 6.17,65.35,0,0,0,0,0.8,0.12
RISE510_Bateni_Russia_4040_years,22.88,0.7,0,0,7.1 8,63.21,0,0.37,0,0,5.66,0
RISE511_Bateni_Russia_4224_years,26.06,2.96,0,0,2. 56,66.87,0,0,0,0,1.12,0.43
RISE512_Kytmanovo_Russia_3119_years,14.62,10.04,0, 4.29,8.31,62.54,0,0,0,0,0,0.21
RISE515_Verkhni_Askiz_Village_Russia_3810_years,19 .31,27.49,0,0,3.28,43.5,0,0,0,6.42,0,0
RISE516_Verkhni_Askiz_Village_Russia_3725_years,14 .53,33.15,0,0,0,42.19,2.43,0.1,0,7.6,0,0
RISE523_Kapova_cave_Russia_3192_years,15.74,10.93, 0,0,19.09,52.94,0.91,0,0,0,0,0.39
RISE524_Kapova_cave_Russia_~2000_years,6.2,16.45,0 ,0,27,45.1,0,0,2.13,2.09,0,1.03
RISE525_Kapova_cave_Russia,10.25,19.91,0.5,0,14.5, 51.93,0,0,0,2.64,0,0.27
RISE546_Temrta_IV_Russia_~2000_years,22.07,0,0,0,0 ,70.45,0,0,0,0,7.49,0
RISE547_Temrta_IV_Russia_4175_years,26.54,0,0,0,10 .09,63.38,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE548_Temrta_IV_Russia_~2000_years,27.76,0,0.93, 0,3.91,65.86,0,0,0,0,1.35,0.19
RISE550_Peshany_V_Russia_4312_years,23.64,0.86,0,0 ,9.61,64.98,0.74,0,0,0,0,0.17
RISE552_Ulan_IV_Russia_3940_years,30.94,1.6,0,0.01 ,2.06,61.11,0.39,0,0,0,3.1,0.78
RISE553_Afontova_Gora_Russia_2731_years,8.7,6.44,0 ,0,22.08,49.77,0,0,0,7.85,5.16,0
RISE554_Afontova_Gora_Russia_2782_years,3.5,49.91, 0,1.04,2.74,28.28,0,0,0,14.54,0,0
RISE555_Stalingard_Quarry_Russia_4082_years,25.27, 0,2.15,0,7.91,64.67,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE559_Augsburg_Germany,5.7,0,0,0,40.1,37.15,0,0, 0.19,0,16.87,0
RISE560_Augsburg_Germany,15.69,0,0,0,42.42,41.88,0 ,0,0,0,0,0
RISE562_Landau_an_der_Isar_Germany,19.88,0,0,0.22, 34.62,45.28,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE563_Osterhofen-Altenmark_Germany,6.22,0,0,0,31.7,57.28,0.74,0.75, 0,0.02,3.29,0
RISE564_Osterhofen-Altenmark_Germany,0,0,0,0,42.81,40.34,0,0,0,0,15.9 7,0.88
RISE566_Knezeves_Czech_Republic,4.28,0,0,0,38.81,5 6.91,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE567_Knezeves_Czech_Republic,10.74,0,0,0,17.83, 66.34,0,0,0,0,5.1,0
RISE568¬_Brandysek_Czech_Republic,0,0,0,0,22.05,7 2.67,0,0,0,0,5.28,0
RISE569_Brandysek_Czech_Republic_~2000_years,1.84, 0,0.54,0,32.28,57.63,0,0,0.38,0,7.29,0.05
RISE577_Velke_Prilepy_Czech_Republic_~2000_years,8 .22,0,0,0,37.41,47.46,0,0.03,0,0,6.6,0.28
RISE586_Moravska_Nova_Ves_Czech_Republic,5.1,0,0,0 ,47.08,45.72,0,0,0,0,1.5,0.61
RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro,0,0,0,0,42.76,31.9 2,0,0,4.11,0,21.2,0
RISE596_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro,13.18,0,0,1.56,44. 91,30.81,0,0.51,0,8.66,0.37,0
RISE598_Turlojiske_Lithuania_2590_years,0,1.29,0,5 .75,6.65,76.06,0,0,8.78,0,1.47,0
RISE600_Verh-Uimon_Russia,19.25,23.26,0,1.96,5.34,34.13,0,0,0,1 1.72,3.89,0.45
RISE601_Verh-Uimon_Russia~2000_years,15.51,22.43,0.63,0,6.8,34. 77,0.33,0,0,18.83,0.35,0.36
RISE602_Sary-Bel_Russia_~2000_years,19.15,22.99,0,0,3.05,37.05, 1.3,0,0,10.75,5.09,0.62
RISE61_Kyndelose_Denmark_4071_years,7.42,0,0,0,38. 76,48.91,0,0,0,0,3.34,1.57
RISE71_Falshoj_Denmark_3701_years,6.7,0,1.89,0,34. 77,50.7,0,0,0.16,0,5.78,0
RISE94_Viby_Sweden_4025_years,14.87,0,0,0,30.51,52 .6,0.29,0,0,0,1.49,0.24
RISE97_Fredriksberg_Sweden_3590_years,5.12,0,0,0,3 9.72,54.22,0,0,0.94,0,0,0
RISE98_L_Beddinge_56_Sweden_3736_years,10.01,0,0,0 ,34.38,54.13,0.7,0,0,0,0.01,0.76

Jovialis
22-03-20, 17:42
My results:

https://i.imgur.com/LEFvuh5.png

https://i.imgur.com/96Av7yP.png

torzio
22-03-20, 18:06
Distance to:
Torziok12b


10.96917955
RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro


11.75771236
RISE374_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3402_years


12.45083130
RISE480_Erd_4_Hungary


12.62028130
RISE559_Augsburg_Germany


13.26930292
RISE349_Battonya_Voros_Oktober_Hungary_3588_years


16.04970093
RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary


16.17127082
RISE471_Untermeitingen_Germany


17.77607099
RISE254_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years


17.81109766
RISE564_Osterhofen-Altenmark_Germany


18.78406772
RISE247_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3372_years


20.44845715
RISE373_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3476_years


20.50083169
RISE436_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4124_years


23.54337486
RISE210_Angamollan_Sweden_3105_years


25.08684914
RISE577_Velke_Prilepy_Czech_Republic_~2000_years


25.89722379
RISE596_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro


26.17277020
RISE413_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3493_years


27.98310562
RISE71_Falshoj_Denmark_3701_years


28.12560222
RISE560_Augsburg_Germany


28.26784392
RISE61_Kyndelose_Denmark_4071_years


29.39915135
RISE586_Moravska_Nova_Ves_Czech_Republic


29.67192613
RISE21_Karlstrup_Denmark_3092_years


29.67918799
RISE397_Kapan_Armenia_2807_years


30.73403325
RISE562_Landau_an_der_Isar_Germany


30.75923601
RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years


30.80383580
RISE391_Tanabergen_II_Kazakhstan_3612_years





Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 2.6335% / 2.63354561 | ADC: 0.5x



75.0
RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro






25.0
RISE413_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3493_years





Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 2.0549% / 2.05492112 | ADC: 0.25x





70.8
RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro






28.2
RISE413_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3493_years






1.0
RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years





Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 0.3844% / 0.38438840





32.4
RISE396_Kapan_Armenia_2879_years






27.4
RISE489_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_4185_years






12.4
RISE145_Polwica_Poland_3677_years






10.0
RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro






9.4
RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years






4.6
RISE349_Battonya_Voros_Oktober_Hungary_3588_years






2.6
RISE139_Chociwell_Poland_3645_years






0.8
RISE413_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3493_years






0.2
RISE00_Sope_Estonia_~2000_years






0.2
RISE598_Turlojiske_Lithuania_2590_years

Palermo Trapani
22-03-20, 18:06
Jovialis: Another thanks. great work again. My Results.



Distance to:
PalermoTrapani


25.37506650
RISE413_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3493_years


25.96165442
RISE397_Kapan_Armenia_2807_years


27.00923916
RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro


28.46466582
RISE423_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3038_years


29.09897421
RISE374_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3402_years


30.16290934
RISE480_Erd_4_Hungary


30.59502737
RISE349_Battonya_Voros_Oktober_Hungary_3588_years


31.02612125
RISE396_Kapan_Armenia_2879_years


31.90839545
RISE407_Norabak_Armenia_2827_years


32.12853093
RISE247_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3372_years


32.17603145
RISE559_Augsburg_Germany


33.33426915
RISE471_Untermeitingen_Germany


33.35955186
RISE416_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3259_years


33.84528623
RISE408_Norabak_Armenia_2908_years


34.24732836
RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years


34.71115383
RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary


35.18721927
RISE254_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years


36.32083424
RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years


36.52762379
RISE564_Osterhofen-Altenmark_Germany


38.37352603
RISE373_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3476_years


39.31965412
RISE436_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4124_years


41.97391928
RISE596_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro


43.15351898
RISE210_Angamollan_Sweden_3105_years


44.65242995
RISE577_Velke_Prilepy_Czech_Republic_~2000_years


46.38484882
RISE391_Tanabergen_II_Kazakhstan_3612_years



Same distances as above in plain text
Distance to: PalermoTrapani
25.37506650 RISE413_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3493_years
25.96165442 RISE397_Kapan_Armenia_2807_years
27.00923916 RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro
28.46466582 RISE423_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3038_years
29.09897421 RISE374_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3402_years
30.16290934 RISE480_Erd_4_Hungary
30.59502737 RISE349_Battonya_Voros_Oktober_Hungary_3588_years
31.02612125 RISE396_Kapan_Armenia_2879_years
31.90839545 RISE407_Norabak_Armenia_2827_years
32.12853093 RISE247_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3372_years
32.17603145 RISE559_Augsburg_Germany
33.33426915 RISE471_Untermeitingen_Germany
33.35955186 RISE416_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3259_years
33.84528623 RISE408_Norabak_Armenia_2908_years
34.24732836 RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years
34.71115383 RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary
35.18721927 RISE254_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years
36.32083424 RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years
36.52762379 RISE564_Osterhofen-Altenmark_Germany
38.37352603 RISE373_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3476_years
39.31965412 RISE436_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4124_years
41.97391928 RISE596_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro
43.15351898 RISE210_Angamollan_Sweden_3105_years
44.65242995 RISE577_Velke_Prilepy_Czech_Republic_~2000_years
46.38484882 RISE391_Tanabergen_II_Kazakhstan_3612_years


Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 7.6018% / 7.60180664 | ADC: 0.5x


42.2
RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years





32.6
RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years





25.2
RISE413_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3493_years









Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 6.9708% / 6.97076848 | ADC: 0.25x


45.4
RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years





38.4
RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years





16.2
RISE413_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3493_years

Stuvanè
22-03-20, 18:08
Mine

Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè

14.53850405 RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro
16.06446389 RISE374_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3402_years
17.00768062 RISE480_Erd_4_Hungary
18.18638502 RISE349_Battonya_Voros_Oktober_Hungary_3588_years
19.13593740 RISE559_Augsburg_Germany
21.27950892 RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary
21.64448660 RISE471_Untermeitingen_Germany
22.32817950 RISE247_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3372_years
23.27568259 RISE564_Osterhofen-Altenmark_Germany
23.79411062 RISE254_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years
25.95247002 RISE413_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3493_years
25.97861813 RISE373_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3476_years
26.31253124 RISE436_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4124_years
27.62139026 RISE397_Kapan_Armenia_2807_years
30.60950343 RISE210_Angamollan_Sweden_3105_years
30.83596115 RISE423_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3038_years
31.36453730 RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years
31.71503114 RISE577_Velke_Prilepy_Czech_Republic_~2000_years
32.29281654 RISE596_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro
33.20431297 RISE416_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3259_years
33.25275628 RISE407_Norabak_Armenia_2827_years
33.44666052 RISE396_Kapan_Armenia_2879_years
34.02340224 RISE408_Norabak_Armenia_2908_years
34.18752697 RISE71_Falshoj_Denmark_3701_years
34.90507126 RISE61_Kyndelose_Denmark_4071_years

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/90462314_644600423027973_5816496564830470144_n.png ?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=b96e70&_nc_ohc=uHutFDcKda8AX9K2gcY&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=ba3700c0d998ff43048461f6795b0265&oe=5E9C822D

Angela
22-03-20, 18:45
Mine:


Distance to:
Angela


14.91075786
RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro


17.85647782
RISE247_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3372_years


18.02549306
RISE374_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3402_years


18.54765753
RISE349_Battonya_Voros_Oktober_Hungary_3588_years


18.88581478
RISE480_Erd_4_Hungary


19.59409605
RISE471_Untermeitingen_Germany


21.25674716
RISE559_Augsburg_Germany


22.69622215
RISE254_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years


24.01657136
RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary


24.16844637
RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years


24.90248984
RISE564_Osterhofen-Altenmark_Germany


25.16962852
RISE373_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3476_years


30.86257442
RISE413_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3493_years


31.07722478
RISE436_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4124_years


31.93837817
RISE397_Kapan_Armenia_2807_years


32.14552224
RISE596_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro


33.04597101
RISE416_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3259_years


33.26787189
RISE210_Angamollan_Sweden_3105_years


35.52975091
RISE577_Velke_Prilepy_Czech_Republic_~2000_years


36.42877983
RISE489_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_4185_years


36.91294217
RISE423_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3038_years


37.26521300
RISE560_Augsburg_Germany


37.43568351
RISE21_Karlstrup_Denmark_3092_years


37.57242207
RISE586_Moravska_Nova_Ves_Czech_Republic


38.09666652
RISE407_Norabak_Armenia_2827_years





Target: Angela
Distance: 2.9786% / 2.97856326 | ADC: 0.25x



42.0
RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years





29.6
RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro





15.8
RISE397_Kapan_Armenia_2807_years





12.6
RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years









Target: Angela
Distance: 1.2343% / 1.23429707



31.0
RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years





23.8
RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years





16.4
RISE487_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_4557_years





14.2
RISE349_Battonya_Voros_Oktober_Hungary_3588_years





8.2
RISE489_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_4185_years





4.2
RISE413_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3493_years





2.2
RISE145_Polwica_Poland_3677_years






Remedello jumps to the top in the "mixing", although the individual match isn't great because it's got the most EEF.

Angela
22-03-20, 19:04
All of the samples at Vahaduo, plus all the recents ones provided by Jovialis.

I'm surprised how close I am, relatively speaking, to Balkans Neolithic and Early Bronze Age Sicily, Germany BB too. By the time the Late Bronze Age rolls around I'm very far from the Sicilian samples. As I've always thought, the migration from the East, much of it by way of Greece perhaps, was already present from the late Bronze Age.



Distance to:
Angela


5.88072274
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


6.32650773
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


6.32865705
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


6.44030279
R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


6.46676117
Szolad43


6.53661992
R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


7.03668956
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


7.04472143
I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy


7.09619616
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge


7.14881808
R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


7.44927513
I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge


7.88178279
Collegno36


8.15250268
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197


8.36475343
Szolad28


8.77719773
Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.92554760
R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima


8.94997207
Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge


9.15645128
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


9.17988562
Szolad31


9.21016829
Collegno23


9.30224167
R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.30524583
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192


9.47417543
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


9.47641282
R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia


9.54090667
ScythianMoldova_SCY300


9.59307563
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


9.59990625
R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


9.74779462
R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio


9.81179392
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


9.81848257
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


10.12126968
I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge


10.41360648
I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


10.41424025
Szolad36


10.57665354
R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica


10.62623169
I0706_Balkans_Neolithic


10.65957316
R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


10.77751827
R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


10.82190833
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


11.07102073
I3124_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


11.25718437
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


11.46205915
I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE


11.48748885
R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


12.03847582
Szolad19


12.06772970
Bavaria_BB_II5524


12.09009512
CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41


12.14752238
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647


12.37687360
I1295_Malak_Preslavets


12.40415656
I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


12.44980321
I8343_NE_Iberia_Late_RomP


12.45045381
I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi



Not bad...


Target: Angela
Distance: 1.0005% / 1.00045631 | ADC: 0.25x




41.6
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge





14.4
R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis





13.4
R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria





10.4
I0706_Balkans_Neolithic





8.6
I3151_Trypillia





7.6
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete





1.8
I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge





1.2
R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima





1.0
I4936_n/a






Target: Angela
Distance: 1.8906% / 1.89061820 | ADC: 0.5x




48.0
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge





15.8
R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria





15.2
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete





14.2
I0706_Balkans_Neolithic





6.8
R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria

Duarte
22-03-20, 19:04
Population genomics of Bronze Age Eurasia

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507

csv files downloaded from y-str.org's google drive:


RISE00_Sope_Estonia_~2000_years,10.49,0.15,0,0,31. 63,56.79,0.94,0,0,0,0,0
RISE1_Oblaczkowo_Poland_4117_years,9.53,2.23,0,0,2 0.52,67.27,0,0,0,0,0.46,0
RISE109_Wojkowice_Poland_3544_years,3.35,0,0,0,31. 56,65.09,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE139_Chociwell_Poland_3645_years,0.56,3.78,0,0, 22.47,70.41,2.78,0,0,0,0,0
RISE145_Polwica_Poland_3677_years,0,0,9.67,0,9.93, 66.99,0,0,0,0,13.42,0
RISE150_Przeclawice_Poland_3469_years,13.55,0,0,0. 5,33.51,50.2,0,0,0,0,1.75,0.5
RISE154_Szczepankowice_Poland_3522_years,17.57,0,0 ,0,34.72,47.71,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE174_Oxie_7_Sweden_1521_years,8.8,0,0.53,0,35.1 5,55.15,0,0,0,0,0,0.37
RISE175_Abekas_I_Sweden_3025_years,0,0,0,0,44.56,5 5.44,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE179_Abekas_I_Sweden_3556_years,4.21,0,0,0,40.4 2,55.37,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE207_Angamollan_Sweden_3130_years,0,0,0,0,34.31 ,62.47,0,0,0,0,0,3.22
RISE21_Karlstrup_Denmark_3092_years,4.12,0,0,5.51, 46.97,43.4,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE210_Angamollan_Sweden_3105_years,10.3,0,0,0,40 .72,43.49,0,0,0,0,5.5,0
RISE240_Sukhaya_Termista_I_Russia_4160_years,26.6, 1.31,0,0,7.93,64.16,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE247_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3372_years,0,0,0.19,0,52.39,27.43, 0,0,2.61,0,17.38,0
RISE254_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years,4.81,0,0.49,0,48.4,32.0 1,0,0,2.98,1.42,9.88,0
RISE276_Trundholm_mose_II_2525_years,4.46,0,0,0,36 .93,57.3,0,0,0,0,1.32,0
RISE349_Battonya_Voros_Oktober_Hungary_3588_years, 0,0,3.61,0,41.84,33.6,2.82,0,0,0,17.77,0.36
RISE371_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3653_years,0,0,0,0,44.88,53.78 ,0,1.34,0,0,0,0
RISE373_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3476_years,0,0,0,0.21,49.26,37 .31,0,0,0,0,13.22,0
RISE374_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3402_years,0,0,0,0,39.96,34.85 ,0.68,0,1.95,0,20.5,2.06
RISE386_Bulanovo_Russia_3775_years,15.34,0.38,0,0, 24.56,55.73,0,0,0,0,3.31,0.68
RISE391_Tanabergen_II_Kazakhstan_3612_years,21.58, 0,1.04,0,23.99,46.8,0,0,0,0,6.6,0
RISE392_Stepnoe_VII_Russia_3626_years,12.29,0,0.39 ,0,30.03,57.18,0,0,0,0,0,0.11
RISE394_Bulanovo_Russia_3532_years,16.36,0,0,0,26. 29,56.64,0,0,0,0,0.71,0
RISE395_Bol'shekaraganskii_Russia_3540_years,14.51 ,0,0,0,30.54,54.26,0,0,0,0,0.16,0.52
RISE396_Kapan_Armenia_2879_years,21.01,0,0,0,6.81, 25.6,0,0,9.62,0,36.97,0
RISE397_Kapan_Armenia_2807_years,21.25,0,0,0,16.48 ,23.51,0,0,1.62,0,37.13,0.01
RISE407_Norabak_Armenia_2827_years,28.33,0,0.69,0, 12.13,23.78,0,0,2.51,0,31.83,0.73
RISE408_Norabak_Armenia_2908_years,28.13,0,0,0,11. 37,26.95,0.37,0,1.23,0,31.94,0
RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years,11.73,0,0,0,5.1 9,21.74,0,0,6.78,0,54.57,0
RISE413_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3493_years,24.72, 0,2.77,0,18.39,20.9,0,3.74,6.87,0,22.6,0
RISE416_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3259_years,34.36, 0,0,0,31.72,15.75,0,0,0,0,18.17,0
RISE42_Marbjerg_Denmark_3681_years,0,0,0,5.68,30.0 9,64.23,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE423_Nerquin_Getashen_Armenia_3038_years,22.08, 0,1.29,1.34,9.55,23.37,0,0,7.32,0,33.39,1.67
RISE431_Leki_Male_Poland_3762_years,0.12,0,0,0,35. 39,58.83,0,0,0,0,5.67,0
RISE434_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4161_years,15.93,0,0,0,2 3.21,60.04,0,0,0,0,0,0.82
RISE435_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4094_years,1.49,0,0,0,21 .13,68.03,0,0,0,0,9.36,0
RISE436_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4124_years,4.85,0,0,0,33 .39,44.75,0,0.03,0,3.08,12.21,1.7
RISE446_Bergrheinfeld_Germany_4015_years,10.44,0,0 ,0,25.54,64.02,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE47_Sebber_skole_Denmark_3153_years,4.99,0,0,0, 37.63,55.78,0,0,0,0,1.6,0
RISE471_Untermeitingen_Germany,2.99,0,0,0,48.42,32 .55,0,0,0,0,16.04,0
RISE479_Erd_4_Hungary_~2000_years,0,0,0.27,0,39.21 ,60.52,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE480_Erd_4_Hungary,0,0,0,0,41.41,35.75,0,0,3.16 ,0,19.46,0.22
RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary,0,0,0,0,40.97,40.03,0,0,2.86 ,0,16.15,0
RISE484_Erd_4_Hungary,2.51,0,0,0,50.99,45.13,0,0,0 .92,0,0.45,0
RISE486_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_3595_years,0,0,0. 97,2.12,59.48,10.97,0,0,9.02,0,15.53,1.91
RISE487_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_4557_years,0,0,1. 36,0,75.55,12.12,0,0,0.84,0,9.88,0.24
RISE489_Remedello_di_Sotto_Italy_4185_years,0,0,0, 0,72.08,12.24,0,0,5.69,0,9.99,0
RISE492_Sabinka_2_Russia_2257_years,9.76,12.06,0,1 0.5,20.6,47.08,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE493_Sabinka_2_Russia_3214_years,13.47,28.51,0, 0,7.07,37.85,2.69,0,0,9.09,0.12,1.2
RISE494_Sabinka_2_Russia_3081_years,21.35,1.64,0,0 ,22.77,54.16,0,0,0.01,0,0,0.07
RISE495_Arban_1_Russia,12.99,29.11,0,0,6.27,37.55, 0.92,0,0,12.94,0,0.22
RISE496_Arban_1_3070_years,17.38,15.68,0,0,13.51,5 0.77,0,0,0,2.18,0,0.48
RISE497_Arban_1_~2000_years,5.25,57.54,0,0,0,7.25, 0.67,0,0,28.7,0,0.59
RISE499_Bystrovka_Russia_~2000_years,17.6,11.54,0, 0,17.81,51.66,0,0,0,1.03,0,0.36
RISE500_Kytmanovo_Russia_~2000_years,14.67,0.33,0, 0.35,22.75,57.51,0.79,0,0,0,3.21,0.38
RISE502_Bystrovka_Russia_3140_years,17.68,18.85,0, 0,8.64,46.71,2.18,0.08,0,5.83,0,0.03
RISE503_Kytmanovo_Russia_3328_years,18.12,0,0,0,28 .78,52.95,0,0,0,0,0,0.14
RISE504_Kytmanovo_Russia_1208_years,9.42,34.33,0,2 .38,2.11,21.36,0,0,0,27.69,2.65,0.06
RISE505_Kytmanovo_Russia_3391_years,19.18,2.59,0,0 ,19.27,54.74,1.62,0,0,0,2.07,0.52
RISE507/8_River_Kuyum_Russia_4423_years,25.75,0,0,0,12.07, 61.65,0,0,0,0.18,0,0.34
RISE509_Bateni_Russia_4186_years,27.1,0.32,0,0.14, 6.17,65.35,0,0,0,0,0.8,0.12
RISE510_Bateni_Russia_4040_years,22.88,0.7,0,0,7.1 8,63.21,0,0.37,0,0,5.66,0
RISE511_Bateni_Russia_4224_years,26.06,2.96,0,0,2. 56,66.87,0,0,0,0,1.12,0.43
RISE512_Kytmanovo_Russia_3119_years,14.62,10.04,0, 4.29,8.31,62.54,0,0,0,0,0,0.21
RISE515_Verkhni_Askiz_Village_Russia_3810_years,19 .31,27.49,0,0,3.28,43.5,0,0,0,6.42,0,0
RISE516_Verkhni_Askiz_Village_Russia_3725_years,14 .53,33.15,0,0,0,42.19,2.43,0.1,0,7.6,0,0
RISE523_Kapova_cave_Russia_3192_years,15.74,10.93, 0,0,19.09,52.94,0.91,0,0,0,0,0.39
RISE524_Kapova_cave_Russia_~2000_years,6.2,16.45,0 ,0,27,45.1,0,0,2.13,2.09,0,1.03
RISE525_Kapova_cave_Russia,10.25,19.91,0.5,0,14.5, 51.93,0,0,0,2.64,0,0.27
RISE546_Temrta_IV_Russia_~2000_years,22.07,0,0,0,0 ,70.45,0,0,0,0,7.49,0
RISE547_Temrta_IV_Russia_4175_years,26.54,0,0,0,10 .09,63.38,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE548_Temrta_IV_Russia_~2000_years,27.76,0,0.93, 0,3.91,65.86,0,0,0,0,1.35,0.19
RISE550_Peshany_V_Russia_4312_years,23.64,0.86,0,0 ,9.61,64.98,0.74,0,0,0,0,0.17
RISE552_Ulan_IV_Russia_3940_years,30.94,1.6,0,0.01 ,2.06,61.11,0.39,0,0,0,3.1,0.78
RISE553_Afontova_Gora_Russia_2731_years,8.7,6.44,0 ,0,22.08,49.77,0,0,0,7.85,5.16,0
RISE554_Afontova_Gora_Russia_2782_years,3.5,49.91, 0,1.04,2.74,28.28,0,0,0,14.54,0,0
RISE555_Stalingard_Quarry_Russia_4082_years,25.27, 0,2.15,0,7.91,64.67,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE559_Augsburg_Germany,5.7,0,0,0,40.1,37.15,0,0, 0.19,0,16.87,0
RISE560_Augsburg_Germany,15.69,0,0,0,42.42,41.88,0 ,0,0,0,0,0
RISE562_Landau_an_der_Isar_Germany,19.88,0,0,0.22, 34.62,45.28,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE563_Osterhofen-Altenmark_Germany,6.22,0,0,0,31.7,57.28,0.74,0.75, 0,0.02,3.29,0
RISE564_Osterhofen-Altenmark_Germany,0,0,0,0,42.81,40.34,0,0,0,0,15.9 7,0.88
RISE566_Knezeves_Czech_Republic,4.28,0,0,0,38.81,5 6.91,0,0,0,0,0,0
RISE567_Knezeves_Czech_Republic,10.74,0,0,0,17.83, 66.34,0,0,0,0,5.1,0
RISE568¬_Brandysek_Czech_Republic,0,0,0,0,22.05,7 2.67,0,0,0,0,5.28,0
RISE569_Brandysek_Czech_Republic_~2000_years,1.84, 0,0.54,0,32.28,57.63,0,0,0.38,0,7.29,0.05
RISE577_Velke_Prilepy_Czech_Republic_~2000_years,8 .22,0,0,0,37.41,47.46,0,0.03,0,0,6.6,0.28
RISE586_Moravska_Nova_Ves_Czech_Republic,5.1,0,0,0 ,47.08,45.72,0,0,0,0,1.5,0.61
RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro,0,0,0,0,42.76,31.9 2,0,0,4.11,0,21.2,0
RISE596_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro,13.18,0,0,1.56,44. 91,30.81,0,0.51,0,8.66,0.37,0
RISE598_Turlojiske_Lithuania_2590_years,0,1.29,0,5 .75,6.65,76.06,0,0,8.78,0,1.47,0
RISE600_Verh-Uimon_Russia,19.25,23.26,0,1.96,5.34,34.13,0,0,0,1 1.72,3.89,0.45
RISE601_Verh-Uimon_Russia~2000_years,15.51,22.43,0.63,0,6.8,34. 77,0.33,0,0,18.83,0.35,0.36
RISE602_Sary-Bel_Russia_~2000_years,19.15,22.99,0,0,3.05,37.05, 1.3,0,0,10.75,5.09,0.62
RISE61_Kyndelose_Denmark_4071_years,7.42,0,0,0,38. 76,48.91,0,0,0,0,3.34,1.57
RISE71_Falshoj_Denmark_3701_years,6.7,0,1.89,0,34. 77,50.7,0,0,0.16,0,5.78,0
RISE94_Viby_Sweden_4025_years,14.87,0,0,0,30.51,52 .6,0.29,0,0,0,1.49,0.24
RISE97_Fredriksberg_Sweden_3590_years,5.12,0,0,0,3 9.72,54.22,0,0,0.94,0,0,0
RISE98_L_Beddinge_56_Sweden_3736_years,10.01,0,0,0 ,34.38,54.13,0.7,0,0,0,0.01,0.76


Thanks Jovialis. My results with source data above:

https://i.imgur.com/s1ckUiR.png

https://i.imgur.com/PRvBbqv.png

Jovialis
22-03-20, 19:30
Here are my results with all samples for Dodecad K12b Ancient, to date:




Distance to:

Jovialis



3.02061252
R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


3.28542235
R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


3.34644588
R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


3.41667967
CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53


3.43008746
R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


3.70737104
R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


3.83489244
R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


3.85554147
Collegno121


4.06829202
R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.18988067
R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


4.49402937
R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.91924791
R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


4.94132573
R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


4.96690044
R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.28137293
R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.77595879
R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


6.07903775
R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


6.10611169
R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.12550406
R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


6.31027733
R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio


6.31831465
R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.32038765
R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


6.33613447
R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.55681325
R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese


6.83668048
R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna










Target: Jovialis
Distance: 0.3729% / 0.37294830 | ADC: 0.25x





30.8
R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti






21.2
R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti






19.6
R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia






19.0
R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche






9.4
CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53

Jovialis
22-03-20, 19:34
Here are my results with all samples, sans post-Iron Age Roman, Crusader, Collegno, and Szolad samples:



Distance to:
Jovialis


7.16297424
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192


7.54746315
R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata


9.30852835
ScythianMoldova_SCY300


9.40424372
I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE


10.01049949
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197


11.09522420
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305


11.65650033
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


13.15944908
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


13.23106950
I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi


14.30092305
I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP


14.42027739
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


14.50908681
I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese


14.54204937
R850_Iron_Age_Ardea


14.73361802
I7424_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


14.80892636
I7499_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


15.44085814
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


15.67710432
I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2


15.93528475
I3808_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


15.98208372
I7500_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


16.04018080
Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge


16.07932213
I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese


16.14707094
I12030_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


16.24442366
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


16.46734344
I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus


16.47135089
I3983_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE



https://i.imgur.com/okqAfVB.png

torzio
22-03-20, 19:37
my results using all the samples ancients , medieval etc



Distance to:
Torziok12b


1.89726118
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.40054542
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


4.63928874
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


4.65249395
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


4.82277928
Collegno23


4.86300319
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


5.02880702
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.21492090
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


6.00532264
Szolad28


6.60955369
Collegno49


6.88000000
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


6.93799683
Collegno94


7.28685117
R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


7.57478052
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


7.62312272
Collegno57


7.70831369
Collegno36


7.72828571
Collegno47


7.79092421
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


7.88022842
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.89459942
Bavaria_BB_II5524


7.93197958
Szolad45


8.04563857
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


8.04795626
I3866_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


8.04854024
Szolad43


8.12515231
Szolad27




I added all the recent ones as well

1.89 distant match with sample R55 seems very close

Stuvanè
22-03-20, 19:39
I am regular also with the updates so I remain faithful to my Lombard Szolad/Collegno fellows and to the unmistakable late Romans and Balkan metal age samples ;)



Distance to:
Dodecadk12bStuvanè


3.43011662
Szolad31


3.44400929
Szolad36


3.71212877
Collegno36


4.21513938
Szolad43


4.68264882
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


4.83184230
ScythianMoldova_SCY300


4.97630385
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


5.34300477
R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio


5.55229682
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192


5.57919349
Szolad37


5.58678799
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


5.87326144
Collegno23


6.25171976
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.43351381
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


6.77911499
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


7.07541518
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197


7.29406608
R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


7.43797688
Szolad28


7.65708169
R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


7.93996222
R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


7.97270970
Szolad1


8.40716956
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.74874848
R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.04734768
R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.15007104
I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE


9.37029882
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


9.42395352
R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo


9.51321712
R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


9.58711114
R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


9.70952625
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


9.96859067
Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge


10.04569560
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


10.11300153
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305


10.11412873
I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP


10.18781625
R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


10.25222903
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge


10.43630203
Collegno49


10.57439360
R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


10.68148866
R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


10.76639680
R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


10.84505417
I3807_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


10.94799068
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


11.14185353
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


11.29806621
I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


11.50976107
I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge


11.59419251
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647


11.79700810
R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


11.81108378
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


11.83593258
CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53


11.86711001
IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498

torzio
22-03-20, 19:57
my results for only BC time sample ..............hope i got rid of the others



Distance to:
Torziok12b


4.40054542
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge



4.65249395
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


4.86300319
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


5.02880702
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


6.88000000
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


7.57478052
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


7.79092421
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


7.89459942
Bavaria_BB_II5524


8.04795626
I3866_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


8.37730267
I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP


8.58770051
I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.87062568
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120


9.21592643
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10851


9.46845288
I12033_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


9.73437723
I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


10.40285057
I12031_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


10.41393778
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


10.55301379
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72


10.91660662
ScythianMoldova_SCY300


10.96332066
I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


11.19849097
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192


11.38562690
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895


11.41299698
I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


11.41299698
SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515


11.55023376
Roman-SoldierFN_2

Duarte
22-03-20, 22:16
All samples produced by Eupedia Team:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uEO-BVB0ZahPo4cN928ygmadyWX3rAPc/view?usp=sharing


Mine:
https://i.imgur.com/msYVgfy.png

https://i.imgur.com/9F8zPvI.png
https://i.imgur.com/6c2zXrl.png

Palermo Trapani
22-03-20, 22:26
Stuvane: Same here, all ancient samples. I stopped at the Sicilian_Bell Beaker, don't wont to leave out my ancient cannoli and arancini friend. R52 and R56 have always had the top 2 spots in every run.



Distance to:
PalermoTrapani


2.76190152
R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


2.81037364
R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


3.27177322
R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


3.34701359
R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio


3.84983117
R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


4.10471680
R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


4.16370028
R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.18976133
R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata


4.32090268
R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


4.40341913
Szolad40


4.54783465
R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


4.57668002
R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


4.82952379
R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.83867751
R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.03103369
R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


5.08341421
Collegno121


5.30245226
R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


5.32897739
R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.43089311
R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


5.46635162
R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.50746766
R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


5.68175149
R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


5.70777540
R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


5.90403252
R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


6.04601522
R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


6.17554046
R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.46672251
R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese


6.74800711
R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina


6.76732591
R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.77646663
R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.20115963
R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


7.28579440
R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


7.55757898
CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53


7.62057741
R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


8.11539894
R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


8.21912404
R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


8.33180653
R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


8.41816488
I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi


8.85745449
R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


9.01662354
R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.08190509
Collegno25


9.08267582
R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio


9.08880080
R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


9.26807963
R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


9.27144541
Collegno110


9.42151262
R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce


9.64398258
Szolad19


9.72580588
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192


9.79056178
I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE


9.94731119
R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.97097789
R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo


10.00080497
R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


10.29666451
Szolad36


10.36353704
R45_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


10.71806886
ScythianMoldova_SCY300


11.38594748
Szolad31


11.49942172
R133__Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


11.55112549
I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese


11.56716473
R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS


11.63612049
R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo


11.71591652
Collegno38


11.85023628
Collegno30


12.16258607
Szolad37


12.24358199
I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus


12.28268293
R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


12.32164762
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


12.32797226
R81_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis


12.33247745
R80_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis


12.46343452
I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese


12.64327489
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197


12.75264286
R123_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce


12.77108844
R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


12.80481941
Collegno36


12.80763444
R1545_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese


12.84361320
I7499_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


12.87494078
R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


12.99809217
I3808_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


13.14625422
R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


13.23641568
R850_Iron_Age_Ardea


13.25961161
R40_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


13.54447120
R134_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


13.54778949
R1543_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese


13.59141273
ASH068_Iron_Age1


13.62262456
I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese


13.63247226
R66_Imperial_Era_ANAS


13.67620927
Szolad43


13.67693314
I7500_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


13.91724470
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


13.96867209
I7424_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


14.00911489
I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2


14.24994035
R73_Imperial_Era_ANAS


14.38200612
I3980_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


14.52848581
R41_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


14.86477380
I3983_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE


15.05615821
Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge


15.21495974
I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2


15.61245336
I2495_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta


15.76962587
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305


15.81303260
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


16.29658246
I12030_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


16.42560501
I3807_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


16.42978089
ANI159_ANI181_Varna


16.54641653
R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


16.60320451
Szolad1


16.70511000
Collegno23


16.83746418
I2499_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta


17.04939588
I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi


17.08555823
I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis


17.09368012
CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41


17.27937210
R130_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


17.34458129
I1706_AG98_2_Early_Bronze_Age


17.40331865
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


17.51228997
R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


17.59496235
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge


17.61388089
LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576


17.63311657
R75_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis


17.63358160
R72_Imperial_Era_ANAS


17.71219919
I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge


17.78634308
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647


17.85565737
Kumtepe004_Anatolian


17.87940435
I0679_Krepost_Neolithic


18.01735552
I1584_Barcın_Höyük_Chalcolithic


18.04210354
I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


18.20627639
Kumtepe006_Anatolian


18.25766688
I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy


18.28067559
Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge


18.28574035
I2424_Balkans_Chalcolithic


18.29202285
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


18.29629197
I2427_Balkans_Chalcolithic


18.31004369
I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete


18.31167114
MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425


18.36492853
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


18.39318352
I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


18.41013036
ASH067_Iron_Age1


18.57208389
LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3581


18.67874996
I3582_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


18.67918628
Szolad35


18.70885619
I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP


18.80224189
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


18.86455406
I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


18.86455406
SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515


18.88968766
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12644


18.89246675
I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete


18.91112900
I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


18.94445565
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


19.22978939
Szolad28


19.23503834
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


19.24926232
HispanoRomanMaghrebiCordobaCaliphate_I7497


19.25356850
R43_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


19.32237563
I3579_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


19.36787288
R128_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce


19.50048205
I7800_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


19.53551126
I3125_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II


19.55444962
I2430_Balkans_Chalcolithic


19.60122955
IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498


19.65921667
I1632_AR1/46_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia


19.79989646
I7807_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


19.88351076
Collegno31


19.93611045
CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457


19.98692823
I2683_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta


19.99103549
I2431_Balkans_Chalcolithic


20.02307669
I11442_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


20.05352338
R70_Imperial_Era_ANAS


20.11438789
I3878_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


20.19769789
I4383_Sicily_EBA_lowcov_Vallone_Inferno


20.29788659
I10373_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


20.37579692
I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


20.58426341
Scythian_SCY311


20.67843563
I4109_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II


20.69572178
I12223_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi


20.69839849
I0706_Balkans_Neolithic


20.72054536
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


20.72742628
I3123_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


20.77792097
I4089_Balkans_Chalcolithic


20.83430824
I7796_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


20.87168656
ANI152_Varna


20.92535065
I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily

torzio
22-03-20, 22:54
Here are my results with all samples, sans post-Iron Age Roman, Crusader, Collegno, and Szolad samples:



Distance to:
Jovialis


7.16297424
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192


7.54746315
R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata


9.30852835
ScythianMoldova_SCY300


9.40424372
I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE


10.01049949
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197


11.09522420
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305


11.65650033
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


13.15944908
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


13.23106950
I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi


14.30092305
I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP


14.42027739
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


14.50908681
I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese


14.54204937
R850_Iron_Age_Ardea


14.73361802
I7424_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


14.80892636
I7499_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


15.44085814
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


15.67710432
I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2


15.93528475
I3808_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


15.98208372
I7500_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


16.04018080
Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge


16.07932213
I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese


16.14707094
I12030_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


16.24442366
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


16.46734344
I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus


16.47135089
I3983_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE



https://i.imgur.com/okqAfVB.png

thanks

do you have this sample ERS256892 or any other ERS ancient sample ?

Jovialis
22-03-20, 23:28
thanks

do you have this sample ERS256892 or any other ERS ancient sample ?

I don't thinks so, but if you can point me to the ebi.ac.uk/ link, I can produce it.

Stuvanè
22-03-20, 23:33
Stuvane: Same here, all ancient samples. I stopped at the Sicilian_Bell Beaker, don't wont to leave out my ancient cannoli and arancini friend. R52 and R56 have always had the top 2 spots in every run.



Distance to:
PalermoTrapani


2.76190152
R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


2.81037364
R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


3.27177322
R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


3.34701359
R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio


3.84983117
R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


4.10471680
R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


4.16370028
R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.18976133
R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata


4.32090268
R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


4.40341913
Szolad40


4.54783465
R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


4.57668002
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@Palermo Trapani

I would not say nonsense, and I never know how methodologically correct it is to use so many samples from even distant ages (probably not). But when I see that in these oracles some samples or combinations are recalled with a certain recurrence (well characterized historically and geographically), it becomes legitimate to me to suppose that the autosomal of some regional realities (and of each of us) was formed and stabilized in precise epochs, according to demographic and population patterns, now linear, now more complex, but also according to different timelines. For some cases, these are presences and mixtures originating almost completely in the protohistoric age with little external contributions, in other cases the "cocktail" was shaken in the height of antiquity or even in the Middle Ages, fusing older substrates with more recent superstrates in a more significant way...


However imperfect and with their limitations, since they work on rough statistics, these are tools that can provide interesting indications. If I remember correctly, the coordinates of a friend of mine (he's from a rather peripheral and isolated area of ​​northern Italy), once made to run here, returned very high similarities to archaic samples, leaving the much more recent samples far behind. Maybe it's a coincidence or maybe not.
In your case I see that the most representative are the samples from the imperial and late antiquity, you are perhaps "son" of the most mature age in Rome :)

Salento
23-03-20, 00:48
@Palermo Trapani

I would not say nonsense, and I never know how methodologically correct it is to use so many samples from even distant ages (probably not). But when I see that in these oracles some samples or combinations are recalled with a certain recurrence (well characterized historically and geographically), it becomes legitimate to me to suppose that the autosomal of some regional realities (and of each of us) was formed and stabilized in precise epochs, according to demographic and population patterns, now linear, now more complex, but also according to different timelines. For some cases, these are presences and mixtures originating almost completely in the protohistoric age with little external contributions, in other cases the "cocktail" was shaken in the height of antiquity or even in the Middle Ages, fusing older substrates with more recent superstrates in a more significant way...


However imperfect and with their limitations, since they work on rough statistics, these are tools that can provide interesting indications. If I remember correctly, the coordinates of a friend of mine (he's from a rather peripheral and isolated area of ​​northern Italy), once made to run here, returned very high similarities to archaic samples, leaving the much more recent samples far behind. Maybe it's a coincidence or maybe not.
In your case I see that the most representative are the samples from the imperial and late antiquity, you are perhaps "son" of the most mature age in Rome :)

When I run all of my RawData, R58 - R59 are closer to me than myself.

... I’m thinking Reincarnation :) lol

https://i.imgur.com/TPWUZDt.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/1zXGmsH.jpg

... or maybe the ancient samples quality.

(logic can be boring) :grin:

Palermo Trapani
23-03-20, 02:05
@Palermo Trapani

I would not say nonsense, and I never know how methodologically correct it is to use so many samples from even distant ages (probably not). But when I see that in these oracles some samples or combinations are recalled with a certain recurrence (well characterized historically and geographically), it becomes legitimate to me to suppose that the autosomal of some regional realities (and of each of us) was formed and stabilized in precise epochs, according to demographic and population patterns, now linear, now more complex, but also according to different timelines. For some cases, these are presences and mixtures originating almost completely in the protohistoric age with little external contributions, in other cases the "cocktail" was shaken in the height of antiquity or even in the Middle Ages, fusing older substrates with more recent superstrates in a more significant way...


However imperfect and with their limitations, since they work on rough statistics, these are tools that can provide interesting indications. If I remember correctly, the coordinates of a friend of mine (he's from a rather peripheral and isolated area of ​​northern Italy), once made to run here, returned very high similarities to archaic samples, leaving the much more recent samples far behind. Maybe it's a coincidence or maybe not.
In your case I see that the most representative are the samples from the imperial and late antiquity, you are perhaps "son" of the most mature age in Rome :)

Stuvane: Hey thanks for the well thought out post. I have absolutely have no problem being a son of the most mature age of Rome! I too, like you and your friend, am amazed how much I seem to cluster, I guess is the best term I could use, with Imperial and Late Antiquity individual Romans more so than modern Italian populations from the Regions of Sicily, Campania, Abbruzzo, which I get distances of under 5 consistently. At some level when I did my DNA testing I my ex ante predictions were I would show clustering with Greeks more so, and I do show affinity with Greeks as well as on National Geographic my 2 closest modern Reference populations are Modern Italians (Tuscany is the reference population they use) and Modern Greeks (I am not sure where National Geographic got their Greek Reference population).

Btw, I hope you and your family are doing well in Milan at this time. Stay safe.

Palermo Trapani
23-03-20, 02:06
When I run all of my RawData, R58 - R59 are closer to me than myself.

... I’m thinking Reincarnation :) lol

https://i.imgur.com/TPWUZDt.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/1zXGmsH.jpg

... or maybe the ancient samples quality.

(logic can be boring) :grin:


Good one! Cheers.

Stuvanè
23-03-20, 18:32
Stuvane: Hey thanks for the well thought out post. I have absolutely have no problem being a son of the most mature age of Rome! I too, like you and your friend, am amazed how much I seem to cluster, I guess is the best term I could use, with Imperial and Late Antiquity individual Romans more so than modern Italian populations from the Regions of Sicily, Campania, Abbruzzo, which I get distances of under 5 consistently. At some level when I did my DNA testing I my ex ante predictions were I would show clustering with Greeks more so, and I do show affinity with Greeks as well as on National Geographic my 2 closest modern Reference populations are Modern Italians (Tuscany is the reference population they use) and Modern Greeks (I am not sure where National Geographic got their Greek Reference population).

Btw, I hope you and your family are doing well in Milan at this time. Stay safe.

@ Salento: lol ... ahaha you conduct anthrogenic research directly with the time machine and/or spirit sessions :)))


@ Palermo Trapani: thanks, we're fine here, locked in the house (for now!). I hope the same for you. Keep it up! :)


What you say is very interesting. Perhaps in the past few decades a certain somewhat scholastic and approximate historical disclosure made the southern Italians "Greeks" in all respects, while the latest research seems to me to make us understand that reality is a little more intricate and complex. Perhaps at the outset a genetic composition already existed in the South which could already be very similar to that one of the archaic Greeks, but which arose locally. Certainly the "Greek" component properly called in the classical age was important and decisive along the coastal areas, but in the hinterland other peoples gravitated, and a local "Italic" element (pre-Roman or Roman) in their composition must however be considered, in a non-secondary way and was never undone.
After that, we can roughly hold the results of Moots' recent paper on the genetic composition of Rome in the last millennia which sees the main part of the late ancient Romans rather shifted towards Greece and the eastern Mediterranean. I believe that in the South this "late antiquity" picture persisted even in the early Middle Ages for at least 3-4 centuries especially between Sicily and Calabria, and from there it has not moved much, as if some "open tap" had been maintained with Greece and with the Levant: the fugitives from mainland Greece due to the sixth century Slavic invasions, as described in the "Chronicle of Monemvasia", other arrivals of Greeks or Greek-Syrians from the Levant with the advent and Islamic expansion against the Byzantine empire, the iconoclastic crisis ...

Angela
23-03-20, 22:06
@ Salento: lol ... ahaha you conduct anthrogenic research directly with the time machine and/or spirit sessions :)))


@ Palermo Trapani: thanks, we're fine here, locked in the house (for now!). I hope the same for you. Keep it up! :)


What you say is very interesting. Perhaps in the past few decades a certain somewhat scholastic and approximate historical disclosure made the southern Italians "Greeks" in all respects, while the latest research seems to me to make us understand that reality is a little more intricate and complex. Perhaps at the outset a genetic composition already existed in the South which could already be very similar to that one of the archaic Greeks, but which arose locally. Certainly the "Greek" component properly called in the classical age was important and decisive along the coastal areas, but in the hinterland other peoples gravitated, and a local "Italic" element (pre-Roman or Roman) in their composition must however be considered, in a non-secondary way and was never undone.
After that, we can roughly hold the results of Moots' recent paper on the genetic composition of Rome in the last millennia which sees the main part of the late ancient Romans rather shifted towards Greece and the eastern Mediterranean. I believe that in the South this "late antiquity" picture persisted even in the early Middle Ages for at least 3-4 centuries especially between Sicily and Calabria, and from there it has not moved much, as if some "open tap" had been maintained with Greece and with the Levant: the fugitives from mainland Greece due to the sixth century Slavic invasions, as described in the "Chronicle of Monemvasia", other arrivals of Greeks or Greek-Syrians from the Levant with the advent and Islamic expansion against the Byzantine empire, the iconoclastic crisis ...

If the Moots paper taught us anything, it's that the "change" in the area of Rome started taking place in the time of the Republic, and was pretty complete by the Imperial Era. After that, in Late Antiquity to the Medieval period, the "tail to the Levant" disappeared.

Whether that wasn't the case in the South is something which must wait for ancient dna from the South ranging from the Neolithic to the present day, and including the Medieval period during which the Muslims dominated Sicily for over two hundred years.

I can say that my husband, whose account I manage, is mostly Calabrian (three-quarters). He is extremely close to many of the Imperial Era "Romans" found in the Moots sample, but not to the ones who place in the Levant. So, there's no evidence of any "open tap" which has continued to affect his genetics beyond that time, and his ancestry is from Reggio Calabria, so Sikeliot's musings about this supposed huge movement of Sicilians to Calabria certainly didn't affect him. (Fwiw, to my knowledge most of the migration was in the opposite direction, as when Calabrians went in to settle in Messina after it was destroyed in the earthquake.)

Big changes in genomic structure come from folk migrations, not a few thousand refugees.

Even the Longobardi, who did arrive as a folk migration, didn't make a huge dent in Italy. All one has to do is look at the ydna.

I know of no evidence whatsoever for the movement of such large numbers of Greeks, either from the mainland or "Syria", that they could change the genetic composition of Southern Italians.

These are the musings of people like Sikeliot, whatever name he goes by currently here, and maybe that racist mad man from Lombardia, but it's not science.

Palermo Trapani
24-03-20, 00:16
@ Salento: lol ... ahaha you conduct anthrogenic research directly with the time machine and/or spirit sessions :)))


@ Palermo Trapani: thanks, we're fine here, locked in the house (for now!). I hope the same for you. Keep it up! :)


What you say is very interesting. Perhaps in the past few decades a certain somewhat scholastic and approximate historical disclosure made the southern Italians "Greeks" in all respects, while the latest research seems to me to make us understand that reality is a little more intricate and complex. Perhaps at the outset a genetic composition already existed in the South which could already be very similar to that one of the archaic Greeks, but which arose locally. Certainly the "Greek" component properly called in the classical age was important and decisive along the coastal areas, but in the hinterland other peoples gravitated, and a local "Italic" element (pre-Roman or Roman) in their composition must however be considered, in a non-secondary way and was never undone.
After that, we can roughly hold the results of Moots' recent paper on the genetic composition of Rome in the last millennia which sees the main part of the late ancient Romans rather shifted towards Greece and the eastern Mediterranean. I believe that in the South this "late antiquity" picture persisted even in the early Middle Ages for at least 3-4 centuries especially between Sicily and Calabria, and from there it has not moved much, as if some "open tap" had been maintained with Greece and with the Levant: the fugitives from mainland Greece due to the sixth century Slavic invasions, as described in the "Chronicle of Monemvasia", other arrivals of Greeks or Greek-Syrians from the Levant with the advent and Islamic expansion against the Byzantine empire, the iconoclastic crisis ...

I think the Greek ancestry is there in Sicily as the rest of the South, but I think the Greeks and many Italians seem to share many of the same Source populations, significant EEF, and what else? maybe CHG and Iran Neolithic, but there does seem to be this ancient Italic ancestry that was in Sicily even before the Greeks and Romans got there. Nobody disputes the Sicels were from the mainland of Southern Italy closely related to the Oenotrians. The Elymi, appear to me to be more and more related to the Ligures. The Sicani still not sure but this recent paper indicating the Steppe ancestry that reached Sicily early on seems to have come from Iberia might suggest the Sicani were Iberians as some of the ancient historians claimed. Other Italic Tribes that were in Sicily include the Ausonians and Mamertini who were from Campania and Morgete from Calabria, who were related to the Sicels. So yes the Pheonicians set up sea ports in the West, did not colonize, and the Greeks colonized all the way to Segesta and Selinunte in Trapani. So when the Romans get there in late 3rd century BC and Sicily is part of the Roman empire till 5th century, the DNA of Sicily seems to be in place. After fall of Western Empire, Sicily is then under the Eastern Roman Empire to the Saracen invasion which was followed by the Normans who brought in mainland Roman Catholic Priests to staff all the closed Churches and many of these Priests Parents and siblings must came in as well. Seems like they came from Rome, maybe Tuscany, some maybe from Genoa and Milan maybe. So despite some changes here and there, the genetic continuity seems to have been relatively stable over the last 3 millennia. As to who this Sikeliot fellow Angela talks about, I have heard about him and some of his posts are still archived here. He does seem to have an axe to grind with Sicilians and Southern Italians with his Levant hypothesis being the dominate Source DNA. I just don't think that is true. Some Levant admixture, yes, going back to Pheonicians and re-entering during Saracen invasion but every study I read puts the Levant/North-African Phoenician admixture in the 4-5% range.

No doubt there were Greek Orthodox fleeing Islamic invasions from both Greece, Constantinople and Albania starting in the 14th century and up to the 15th century. I have noted this before, but on my maternal side, one of the my Great Grandparents was baptized in an Eastern Rite Catholic Church in Sicily, Byzantine Catholic church in communion with Rome. By Byzantine I am referring to the Liturgical Tradition of of the Church, not getting into Greek vs. Albanian rivals, which in my case, when I run Dodecad 12b updated, they both show up in my like top 25 modern distances.

Stuvanè
24-03-20, 00:55
If the Moots paper taught us anything, it's that the "change" in the area of Rome started taking place in the time of the Republic, and was pretty complete by the Imperial Era. After that, in Late Antiquity to the Medieval period, the "tail to the Levant" disappeared.

Whether that wasn't the case in the South is something which must wait for ancient dna from the South ranging from the Neolithic to the present day, and including the Medieval period during which the Muslims dominated Sicily for over two hundred years.

I can say that my husband, whose account I manage, is mostly Calabrian (three-quarters). He is extremely close to many of the Imperial Era "Romans" found in the Moots sample, but not to the ones who place in the Levant. So, there's no evidence of any "open tap" which has continued to affect his genetics beyond that time, and his ancestry is from Reggio Calabria, so Sikeliot's musings about this supposed huge movement of Sicilians to Calabria certainly didn't affect him. (Fwiw, to my knowledge most of the migration was in the opposite direction, as when Calabrians went in to settle in Messina after it was destroyed in the earthquake.)

Big changes in genomic structure come from folk migrations, not a few thousand refugees.

Even the Longobardi, who did arrive as a folk migration, didn't make a huge dent in Italy. All one has to do is look at the ydna.

I know of no evidence whatsoever for the movement of such large numbers of Greeks, either from the mainland or "Syria", that they could change the genetic composition of Southern Italians.

These are the musings of people like Sikeliot, whatever name he goes by currently here, and maybe that racist mad man from Lombardia, but it's not science.

@Angela, @ Palermo Trapani


yes, it's true: the paper by Moots in the end concerns only the case of Rome. My imprecision, it was not the rule, is not a thing to generalize, but scrolling for example the late antiquity and Byzantine prosopographic lists a certain variety of allochthonous presences along the Peninsula is present (in the North as in the South), probably quite superficial but not even zero.
I didn't want to marry the thesis of Sikeliotis & co, but only to show some hypotheses that are often proposed in Byzantine history and linguistics to justify the persistent and almost stainless "Greekness" (or close proximity to "Greekness") of the 'Southern Italy.
Check the cards for example of various names in the Ethnicity section of the PBE by Martindale (list of Greek, Isaurian, Syrian) or in the List of locations (Sicily or other places ...).
The most famous case is perhaps Pope Sergius I and his father Tiberius, Syrian natives, but first documented in Palermo


Nothing apodictic, nothing definitive, but the Byzantinists split their brains over these matters :)


http://www.storiaromanaebizantina.it/litalia-meridionale-bizantina-migrazioni-societa-e-conflitti/

http://www.pbe.kcl.ac.uk/data/index.htm

Palermo Trapani
24-03-20, 02:58
@Angela, @ Palermo Trapani


yes, it's true: the paper by Moots in the end concerns only the case of Rome. My imprecision, it was not the rule, is not a thing to generalize, but scrolling for example the late antiquity and Byzantine prosopographic lists a certain variety of allochthonous presences along the Peninsula is present (in the North as in the South), probably quite superficial but not even zero.
I didn't want to marry the thesis of Sikeliotis & co, but only to show some hypotheses that are often proposed in Byzantine history and linguistics to justify the persistent and almost stainless "Greekness" (or close proximity to "Greekness") of the 'Southern Italy.
Check the cards for example of various names in the Ethnicity section of the PBE by Martindale (list of Greek, Isaurian, Syrian) or in the List of locations (Sicily or other places ...).
The most famous case is perhaps Pope Sergius I and his father Tiberius, Syrian natives, but first documented in Palermo


Nothing apodictic, nothing definitive, but the Byzantinists split their brains over these matters :)


http://www.storiaromanaebizantina.it/litalia-meridionale-bizantina-migrazioni-societa-e-conflitti/

http://www.pbe.kcl.ac.uk/data/index.htm


Stuvane: No I took nothing in your post to be pushing this Sikeliot fellow and his toadies. For the record, I early on when I first registered here got caught up in a thread where this guy under an alias or one of his toadies got me into one these types of threads and I posted stuff that overlapped multiple forum topics into one post. My ignorance of the rules was my own fault for the record. As a result, I was sort of lumped in with this Sikeliot guy and his cohort, mistakenly and I can see why this fellow caught a lot of heat from the Advisors and Mods with his anti Sicilian and Southern Italian nonsense. I have no problem with honest discussion of DNA but it do it with legitimate academic research, not agendas based on pseudo Science. And I tend to stay in my own lane so to speak here on Eupedia. Mostly I stay with the ancient DNA stuff and DNA forums dealing with Italy only, sometimes Greek. If I get comfortable posting with someone who is not of Italian ancestry, then yes I may correspond with them. Two posters I enjoy discussing topics with are Carlos from Spain and Duarte From Brazil. As for Sikeliot and Company types, probably a good thing this guy is no longer here or Mods and Advisors have got him under control as my Sicilian temper might get the best of me (Americano-Siciliano that is). My favorite TV show is Commassario Montalbano and I would likely end up responding to that guy the way Montalbano does to his Deputy Mimi Augello when he gets ticked off at Mimi. I must confess, I know Luca the actor that Plays Montalbano is from Rome but he says that saying (which I will not say here) with a Sicilian flare!. If you watch the Show you know what I am getting at (hopefully I want get a minus for this). I have run into the thesis that Sikeliot and Co and people who push it on other blogs (ItalianAnthro is one) and Youtube videos so I have to watch my temper with those types. But like I said, I personally took nothing wrong in your post. You were among the first people here that I think I was able to discuss results with respect to these Ancient Samples that the Eupedia team put together so I appreciate that.

Stuvanè
24-03-20, 11:04
Stuvane: No I took nothing in your post to be pushing this Sikeliot fellow and his toadies. For the record, I early on when I first registered here got caught up in a thread where this guy under an alias or one of his toadies got me into one these types of threads and I posted stuff that overlapped multiple forum topics into one post. My ignorance of the rules was my own fault for the record. As a result, I was sort of lumped in with this Sikeliot guy and his cohort, mistakenly and I can see why this fellow caught a lot of heat from the Advisors and Mods with his anti Sicilian and Southern Italian nonsense. I have no problem with honest discussion of DNA but it do it with legitimate academic research, not agendas based on pseudo Science. And I tend to stay in my own lane so to speak here on Eupedia. Mostly I stay with the ancient DNA stuff and DNA forums dealing with Italy only, sometimes Greek. If I get comfortable posting with someone who is not of Italian ancestry, then yes I may correspond with them. Two posters I enjoy discussing topics with are Carlos from Spain and Duarte From Brazil. As for Sikeliot and Company types, probably a good thing this guy is no longer here or Mods and Advisors have got him under control as my Sicilian temper might get the best of me (Americano-Siciliano that is). My favorite TV show is Commassario Montalbano and I would likely end up responding to that guy the way Montalbano does to his Deputy Mimi Augello when he gets ticked off at Mimi. I must confess, I know Luca the actor that Plays Montalbano is from Rome but he says that saying (which I will not say here) with a Sicilian flare!. If you watch the Show you know what I am getting at (hopefully I want get a minus for this). I have run into the thesis that Sikeliot and Co and people who push it on other blogs (ItalianAnthro is one) and Youtube videos so I have to watch my temper with those types. But like I said, I personally took nothing wrong in your post. You were among the first people here that I think I was able to discuss results with respect to these Ancient Samples that the Eupedia team put together so I appreciate that.

@Palermo Trapani,

I am the first to lean towards very local phenomena. (But sometimes my old academic deformations and reminiscences of my PhD wake up and they want to elbow around ;P )
PS. I like very much Montalbano series. I'm a fan of Mimì Augello, but my absolute top is Dr. Pasquano, the late and irascible coroner :lmao:

Palermo Trapani
24-03-20, 15:26
@Palermo Trapani,

I am the first to lean towards very local phenomena. (But sometimes my old academic deformations and reminiscences of my PhD wake up and they want to elbow around ;P )
PS. I like very much Montalbano series. I'm a fan of Mimì Augello, but my absolute top is Dr. Pasquano, the late and irascible coroner :lmao:

Dr. Pasquano is/was a great character, unfortunately Marcello Perracchio past away in 2017 and last summer both Andrea Camilleri and Sironi (Director of all the Movies) past away. I hope going forward the new movies with a new Director and Camilleri no longer available to consult are up the standard that was set in the past.

As for the local phenomena, I agree. Angela mentioned the Antonio/Moots et al 2019 paper on ancient Romans and I think if a paper would do a longitudinal study in Sicily starting with the WHG Samples, the Sicilian Bell Beaker Sample (who had no Steppe), the Steppe admixture, then Pheonician/Greek/Roman era well into the Kingdom to Two Sicilies/Naples era, the results would be similar. 1)WHG for a long time then 2) EEF-Anatolian type ancestry dominates then 3) Some Steppe ancestry which in Sicily includes some CHG and Iran type ancestry and over time there are some subtle shifts here and there, etc. As Angela noted it would be good to see what happened during the Saracen period then what happened right after they were expelled and the Normans along with mainland Italian families came in with there Roman Rite Sons who were Priests and then some additional Greek/Albanian influx. So looking at the Sicilian data over a long time-series I think it would show again the same type pattern as the data from the Roman paper and the samples would plot within the same general area with some slight shifts here and there.

Jovialis
24-03-20, 17:22
IMO, just looking at two cemeteries outside of the city of Rome, and claiming it says something about the peninsula as a whole, creates a tyranny of averages.

Also, there are "Imperial Romans" that plot in Northern, and Southern Italian clusters; areas that are consistent in all ages, from the Iron age, to the present. Not just the extinct cluster.

Palermo Trapani
24-03-20, 17:54
IMO, just looking at two cemeteries outside of the city of Rome, and claiming it says something about the peninsula as a whole, creates a tyranny of averages.

Also, there are "Imperial Romans" that plot in Northern, and Southern Italian clusters; areas that are consistent in all ages, from the Iron age, to the present. Not just the extinct cluster.

I didn't mean it as a statement of fact, more of a hypothesis. Just speaking of Sicily the sample from Palermo (Favignana, Grotta d Oriente) is a Western Hunter Gather (WHG) similar to what was all over Western Europe. Best I can tell the Sicilian Bell Beaker is mostly Neolithic Early European Farmer (EEF) maybe with some Iran Neolithic. Next the the recent paper by the Reich team documents Steppe Ancestry. Just my quick observation of the Antonio/Moots et al 2019 paper (Figure 2) which shows this basic pattern in Rome (WHG, then EEF and Iran Neolithic, then Steppe). The same pattern seems to be present in Sicily at least to Iron Age period. Whatever happened during that period up to the Imperial period as you said shows some Imperial Romans cluster with Northern Italians and some Southern. In Sicily there were the Phoenicians, Greeks and Romans (but there were already Italic tribes in Sicily before the Romans came in at the end of the 3rd Century BC). The Antonio/Moots paper documents a move Eastward during this period somewhat but not enough that it caused the Imperial Romans to cluster with non Modern Italian populations. It seems to me the significant majority of these ancient Imperial Roman samples cluster mostly in Figure 2 in a circle that includes all of Modern Italy, again some more North shifted, some more Southern Shifted. So I think as we get more samples, I would like to see Sicilian Time Series type analysis done from the Imperial Period to Modern similar to what Antonio/Moots et al did for Lazio-Rome. It would be good to see that done with other Italian samples from various regions using a longitudinal type analysis as well.

Again, I did not mean to present anything I wrote in post #154 as a statement of fact, more of a hypothesis and thinking of how I would like to see future research papers address Italian genetic history overall, and in my case, Sicily in particular. Sorry if my post was cryptically written.

Jovialis
24-03-20, 18:29
^^I was actually referring more to the conclusion made by the authors of the paper.

Palermo Trapani
24-03-20, 19:36
^^I was actually referring more to the conclusion made by the authors of the paper.


Oh, my bad again. Well I agree I have issues with the conclusions in the Antonio/Moots et al 2019 paper and the recent paper on Steppe Ancestry into Sardinia/Sicily (Reich team) and some of there sample choices they used to fit models, and not properly explaining why and what the admixture of certain samples that were chosen. You correctly pointed out the Morocco_LN sample and Phoenician_Ibiza sample both cluster with ancient Greeks/Eastern Med Populations and if I remember both were used in at least one or both of those papers.

Have a question, have you or Duarte run the Dodecad K12 Coordinates for the Morocco_EN, Morocco_LN and Ibiza_Phoenician samples?

Jovialis
11-04-20, 04:17
Here are all of the Scythian, Sarmatian, Cimmerian, and Srubnaya samples. This one was tricky to get, but I found away to get the files to convert. You had to save them to a desktop, rather than an individual folder. Idk why, but it made the software work correctly:

Ancient genomes suggest the eastern Pontic-Caspian steppe as the source of western Iron Age nomads

Krzewińska et al. 2018

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB27628



chy001_Sarmatian,22.69,8.21,0,0,13.39,40.51,3.2,0. 68,0,0.12,11.2,0
chy002_Sarmatian,25.87,8.68,0,0,12.38,37.73,0.98,0 ,0,5.7,7.85,0.82
cim357_Cimmerian,17.43,8.06,0,1.02,16.1,42.32,3.11 ,0,0,1.06,10.9,0
cim358_Cimmerian,22.58,11.12,0,3.04,8.31,32.3,3.23 ,1.43,0,5.24,12.76,0
cim359_Cimmerian,13.81,23.13,0,1.62,7.05,33.66,3.7 ,0.01,0,12.42,3.99,0.62
kzb001_Srubnaya,12.46,2.5,2.64,1.76,22.63,47.36,2. 83,1.29,0,0.82,5.72,0
kzb002_Srubnaya,21.09,3.59,0,0,18.79,54.68,0.81,0, 0,0,0.91,0.12
kzb003_Srubnaya,20.86,0.61,1.59,0,27.72,47.14,2.09 ,0,0,0,0,0
kzb004_Srubnaya,9.17,8.33,0,0,24.07,58.42,0,0,0,0, 0,0
kzb005_Srubnaya,17.86,1.95,0,0,13.6,56.88,0,1.68,0 ,0,7.96,0.06
kzb006_Srubnaya,18.13,1.71,0,0,22.3,51.06,1.34,0,0 ,0,4.15,1.3
kzb007_Srubnaya,18.39,1.92,0,0,21.93,52.11,0,1.15, 0,0,3.94,0.57
kzb008_Srubnaya,19.26,2.85,0,0.02,14.65,56.62,0.35 ,1.24,0,0,4.84,0.16
kzb009_Srubnaya,18.12,2.94,0,0,22.91,51.61,0,0,0.2 7,0,3.22,0.93
mur001_Srubnaya,21.99,3.22,0,0,18.4,55.26,0,0,0,0, 0.84,0.29
mur002_Srubnaya,20.07,0.7,0,4.28,16.77,54.31,1.06, 2.8,0,0,0,0
mur003_Srubnaya,19.28,2.35,0,0,22.87,53.76,0,0,0,0 ,1.1,0.64
mur004_Srubnaya,17.15,3.53,0,0,16.72,54.14,0,0,0,0 ,7.68,0.78
scy006_Scythian,13.82,0,6.4,3.46,14.64,45.37,0,0,1 2.79,0,3.51,0
scy009_Scythian,4.23,0,0.79,0,28.83,51.34,0,0.44,1 .95,0,10.18,2.24
scy010_Scythian,9.55,0,0,0,26.15,42.92,0.16,0,0.37 ,0.48,18.85,1.52
scy011_Scythian,16.47,8.21,1.55,0,13.83,38.9,0,2.4 1,0.95,2.23,15.44,0
scy192_Scythian,6.15,2.19,2.36,0,33.03,20.16,0.24, 0,8.81,0,27.04,0
scy193_Scythian,26.88,0.89,5.86,3.62,4.91,41.86,5. 06,3.64,7.27,0,0,0
scy197_Scythian,3.49,0.62,0.2,0,34.96,21.32,0,0.65 ,5.34,2.18,30.87,0.39
scy300_Scythian,5.95,1.42,0,1.64,33.53,20.09,0,0,1 0.58,0,26.79,0
scy301_Scythian,12.78,6.07,0,0,21.44,31.2,0.66,0,3 .58,1.56,22.02,0.69
scy303_Scythian,9.62,0.42,0,0,34.83,50.06,0,0,0,0, 3.54,1.52
scy304_Scythian,12.02,0,4.91,1.76,28.54,36.4,0.53, 0.93,0,0,13.33,1.58
scy305_Scythian,6.81,0.44,0,0.24,25.58,27.17,0,0,6 .57,3.55,29.64,0
scy311_Scythian,14.93,1.03,0,4.47,29.91,24.38,0,0, 4.36,0.37,20.21,0.35
scy332_Scythian,0,38.92,0,0,0,9.86,0,0,0,47.11,0,4 .11
tem001_Sarmatian,25.16,5.97,0,0,12.41,44.18,0,0,0, 5.3,6.98,0
tem002_Sarmatian,26.74,8.42,0,0.75,13.66,40.74,1.6 6,0,0,1.4,5.72,0.91
tem003_Sarmatian,22.48,5.77,0,0,9.89,44.11,1.85,0, 0,5.08,9.97,0.85

Jovialis
11-04-20, 04:20
Here are all of the Scythian, Sarmatian, Cimmerian, and Srubnaya samples. This one was tricky to get, but I found away to get the files to convert. You had to save them to a desktop, rather than an individual folder. Idk why, but it made the software work correctly:

Ancient genomes suggest the eastern Pontic-Caspian steppe as the source of western Iron Age nomads

Krzewińska et al. 2018

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB27628



chy001_Sarmatian,22.69,8.21,0,0,13.39,40.51,3.2,0. 68,0,0.12,11.2,0
chy002_Sarmatian,25.87,8.68,0,0,12.38,37.73,0.98,0 ,0,5.7,7.85,0.82
cim357_Cimmerian,17.43,8.06,0,1.02,16.1,42.32,3.11 ,0,0,1.06,10.9,0
cim358_Cimmerian,22.58,11.12,0,3.04,8.31,32.3,3.23 ,1.43,0,5.24,12.76,0
cim359_Cimmerian,13.81,23.13,0,1.62,7.05,33.66,3.7 ,0.01,0,12.42,3.99,0.62
kzb001_Srubnaya,12.46,2.5,2.64,1.76,22.63,47.36,2. 83,1.29,0,0.82,5.72,0
kzb002_Srubnaya,21.09,3.59,0,0,18.79,54.68,0.81,0, 0,0,0.91,0.12
kzb003_Srubnaya,20.86,0.61,1.59,0,27.72,47.14,2.09 ,0,0,0,0,0
kzb004_Srubnaya,9.17,8.33,0,0,24.07,58.42,0,0,0,0, 0,0
kzb005_Srubnaya,17.86,1.95,0,0,13.6,56.88,0,1.68,0 ,0,7.96,0.06
kzb006_Srubnaya,18.13,1.71,0,0,22.3,51.06,1.34,0,0 ,0,4.15,1.3
kzb007_Srubnaya,18.39,1.92,0,0,21.93,52.11,0,1.15, 0,0,3.94,0.57
kzb008_Srubnaya,19.26,2.85,0,0.02,14.65,56.62,0.35 ,1.24,0,0,4.84,0.16
kzb009_Srubnaya,18.12,2.94,0,0,22.91,51.61,0,0,0.2 7,0,3.22,0.93
mur001_Srubnaya,21.99,3.22,0,0,18.4,55.26,0,0,0,0, 0.84,0.29
mur002_Srubnaya,20.07,0.7,0,4.28,16.77,54.31,1.06, 2.8,0,0,0,0
mur003_Srubnaya,19.28,2.35,0,0,22.87,53.76,0,0,0,0 ,1.1,0.64
mur004_Srubnaya,17.15,3.53,0,0,16.72,54.14,0,0,0,0 ,7.68,0.78
scy006_Scythian,13.82,0,6.4,3.46,14.64,45.37,0,0,1 2.79,0,3.51,0
scy009_Scythian,4.23,0,0.79,0,28.83,51.34,0,0.44,1 .95,0,10.18,2.24
scy010_Scythian,9.55,0,0,0,26.15,42.92,0.16,0,0.37 ,0.48,18.85,1.52
scy011_Scythian,16.47,8.21,1.55,0,13.83,38.9,0,2.4 1,0.95,2.23,15.44,0
scy192_Scythian,6.15,2.19,2.36,0,33.03,20.16,0.24, 0,8.81,0,27.04,0
scy193_Scythian,26.88,0.89,5.86,3.62,4.91,41.86,5. 06,3.64,7.27,0,0,0
scy197_Scythian,3.49,0.62,0.2,0,34.96,21.32,0,0.65 ,5.34,2.18,30.87,0.39
scy300_Scythian,5.95,1.42,0,1.64,33.53,20.09,0,0,1 0.58,0,26.79,0
scy301_Scythian,12.78,6.07,0,0,21.44,31.2,0.66,0,3 .58,1.56,22.02,0.69
scy303_Scythian,9.62,0.42,0,0,34.83,50.06,0,0,0,0, 3.54,1.52
scy304_Scythian,12.02,0,4.91,1.76,28.54,36.4,0.53, 0.93,0,0,13.33,1.58
scy305_Scythian,6.81,0.44,0,0.24,25.58,27.17,0,0,6 .57,3.55,29.64,0
scy311_Scythian,14.93,1.03,0,4.47,29.91,24.38,0,0, 4.36,0.37,20.21,0.35
scy332_Scythian,0,38.92,0,0,0,9.86,0,0,0,47.11,0,4 .11
tem001_Sarmatian,25.16,5.97,0,0,12.41,44.18,0,0,0, 5.3,6.98,0
tem002_Sarmatian,26.74,8.42,0,0.75,13.66,40.74,1.6 6,0,0,1.4,5.72,0.91
tem003_Sarmatian,22.48,5.77,0,0,9.89,44.11,1.85,0, 0,5.08,9.97,0.85


My results:

https://i.imgur.com/H2GuxiD.png

https://i.imgur.com/vUnV7wg.png

torzio
11-04-20, 05:57
Distance to:

Torziok12b


10.92719543
scy192_Scythian


11.37866424
scy300_Scythian


11.73701410
scy311_Scythian


12.83619102
scy197_Scythian


14.00646279
scy305_Scythian


16.18537612
scy304_Scythian


17.29987861
scy301_Scythian


19.10218836
scy010_Scythian


27.20967107
scy009_Scythian


28.74615279
scy011_Scythian


28.98577410
scy303_Scythian


29.43384277
kzb001_Srubnaya


30.28082892
cim357_Cimmerian


33.20941282
kzb003_Srubnaya


33.38890834
chy001_Sarmatian


34.13015822
kzb006_Srubnaya


34.32554588
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34.74650198
kzb009_Srubnaya


35.17982518
kzb007_Srubnaya


35.96522070
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36.31048471
chy002_Sarmatian


37.13595024
mur004_Srubnaya


37.26386185
tem002_Sarmatian


37.30820017
tem003_Sarmatian


37.69555942
mur003_Srubnaya









Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 3.6949% / 3.69486970 | ADC: 0.5x



39.8
scy192_Scythian






24.2
scy300_Scythian






15.8
scy304_Scythian






13.6
scy303_Scythian






6.6
scy197_Scythian

torzio
11-04-20, 05:59
my cousin ...she is from my paternal side ...she is closer ..........seems to be be mother side getting the closeness



Distance to:
TrentinoCles


7.85726415
scy197_Scythian


8.70577969
scy192_Scythian


8.94655241
scy300_Scythian


13.26567752
scy305_Scythian


15.85937893
scy311_Scythian


20.66576880
scy301_Scythian


21.82181936
scy304_Scythian


23.07017989
scy010_Scythian


31.15605559
scy009_Scythian


33.09582300
scy011_Scythian


34.06267899
scy303_Scythian


34.78304328
kzb001_Srubnaya


35.29715003
cim357_Cimmerian


38.54526430
chy001_Sarmatian


39.49995570
kzb003_Srubnaya


39.50365932
scy006_Scythian


39.80757591
kzb006_Srubnaya


40.31317030
cim358_Cimmerian


40.43142837
kzb009_Srubnaya


40.80034926
kzb007_Srubnaya


41.69505127
chy002_Sarmatian


42.18629635
mur004_Srubnaya


42.36484628
tem003_Sarmatian


42.94599166
tem002_Sarmatian


43.39586847
tem001_Sarmatian








70.6
scy197_Scythian






18.0
scy300_Scythian






11.4
scy303_Scythian

torzio
11-04-20, 06:06
@Jovialis

can you do these ancient swiss samples

https://trace.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Traces/sra/?study=SRP250694

Jovialis
11-04-20, 06:24
^Sure, I'll see what I can do, thanks for the link.

Stuvanè
11-04-20, 10:15
Done my Scythians


Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè

5.19567128 scy192_Scythian
5.64705233 scy300_Scythian
8.05853585 scy197_Scythian
10.79158932 scy305_Scythian
13.98167730 scy311_Scythian
18.54923179 scy301_Scythian
21.73006213 scy304_Scythian
23.45796240 scy010_Scythian
31.36011320 scy011_Scythian
32.28959585 scy009_Scythian
34.12785080 cim357_Cimmerian
34.69652576 kzb001_Srubnaya
35.47595101 scy303_Scythian
36.87101029 chy001_Sarmatian
37.56804626 scy006_Scythian
37.96383147 cim358_Cimmerian
39.42665723 kzb003_Srubnaya
39.61944093 kzb006_Srubnaya
39.78438010 chy002_Sarmatian
40.29729023 kzb009_Srubnaya
40.62261070 kzb007_Srubnaya
40.71274002 tem003_Sarmatian
41.28396783 tem002_Sarmatian
41.73612105 mur004_Srubnaya
41.86091256 tem001_Sarmatian


Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 2.3304% / 2.33037350 | ADC: 0.25x
46.0 scy192_Scythian
33.4 scy300_Scythian
11.0 scy009_Scythian
9.6 scy197_Scythian

Salento
11-04-20, 12:40
Thanks J :)

https://i.imgur.com/Wontg7q.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/WHo8n9J.jpg

Angela
11-04-20, 14:24
Clearly, Scythian is a multi-ethnic designation.



Distance to:
Angela


8.27433985
scy197_Scythian


8.83698478
scy192_Scythian


9.50336256
scy300_Scythian


17.91613798
scy311_Scythian


18.11062395
scy305_Scythian


25.59229767
scy301_Scythian


26.90442900
scy304_Scythian


30.01286224
scy010_Scythian


38.40274860
scy009_Scythian


38.49088983
scy011_Scythian


39.91316324
scy303_Scythian


40.81249441
cim357_Cimmerian


40.89165685
kzb001_Srubnaya


43.35175544
chy001_Sarmatian


44.08333472
cim358_Cimmerian


44.29896839
kzb003_Srubnaya


45.50706978
scy006_Scythian


45.72603416
kzb006_Srubnaya


45.81639881
chy002_Sarmatian


46.36033757
kzb009_Srubnaya


46.80573042
kzb007_Srubnaya


47.30932361
tem002_Sarmatian


47.64050902
tem003_Sarmatian


48.36738467
tem001_Sarmatian


48.69347903
mur004_Srubnaya





Closest modern population to my two best matches:



Distance to:
scy197_Scythian


6.50429089
Italy_Romagna


7.27741012
Italy_Marche


7.48716569
Italy_Tuscany


7.66083572
Italy_Lazio


8.36653040
Italy_Emilia


9.14755705
Albanian_Kosovo


9.22685732
France_Corsica


9.27352199
Italy_Liguria


9.62437011
Albanian_North


10.63150740
Italy_Lombardy


10.63743434
Italy_Veneto


10.98316894
Greek


11.20703965
Italy_Abruzzo


11.66363014
Italy_Piedmont


12.56188680
Turk_Macedonia


12.67955425
Italy_FriuliVG


12.70763424
Italy_Apulia


13.41172644
Italy_Campania


13.69688286
Turk_Greece


13.84070853
Swiss_Italian


14.37500678
Italy_Trentino


14.51107508
Gagauz


14.53967348
Italy_Sicily


15.47337067
Macedonian


16.77276690
Italy_Calabria





Distance to:
scy192_Scythian


2.90891732
Italy_Romagna


3.31831644
Italy_Lazio


3.41690474
Italy_Marche


5.16991199
Italy_Tuscany


6.63997523
Italy_Emilia


7.27998723
Italy_Liguria


7.87435686
France_Corsica


8.50234085
Albanian_Kosovo


8.64415327
Italy_Abruzzo


9.53821262
Albanian_North


9.87368884
Italy_Veneto


9.92527179
Italy_Piedmont


10.04034350
Italy_Lombardy


10.36420803
Italy_Apulia


11.16022114
Italy_FriuliVG


11.19733004
Turk_Macedonia


11.38685057
Italy_Campania


11.59306689
Turk_Greece


11.71316972
Italy_Sicily


12.21097867
Greek


13.43338053
Swiss_Italian


13.52782688
Gagauz


13.82780171
Italy_Trentino


14.61846435
Turk_Romania


14.62992326
Italy_Calabria



My worst Scythian match:


Distance to:
scy303_Scythian


6.27656753
Norwegian


6.52972434
Dutch


7.53361135
German


7.73222478
Mixed_Germanic


7.82925922
Swedish


8.68327703
CEU30


8.89747717
English


9.04142135
Orkney


9.06340444
British_Isles


9.38271283
Argyll


9.54715664
Kent


9.89339679
Orcadian


10.27437103
Irish


11.28349680
British


11.88256285
Cornwall


16.32113048
Hungarians


16.94028925
French


17.62272113
French


19.70687190
Croat


21.18208677
Bosnian


23.08905801
Polish


25.59175235
Italy_Aosta_Valley


26.77794988
Mixed_Slav


27.43846388
Ukranians


27.55617717
Tatar_Kazan



They must have picked up more EEF like people or mixed people along the way into western Europe. The Sarmatians were not at all as inclusive.

Jovialis
11-04-20, 15:15
Clearly, Scythian is a multi-ethnic designation.

Indeed, the dark green squares are Scythians:

https://i.imgur.com/fNpx82Q.png

kingjohn
11-04-20, 16:44
thanks jovialis :good_job:

i am not close to them at all .....


Distance to:
adam


13.82457233
scy192_Scythian


14.40325658
scy300_Scythian


15.92065325
scy305_Scythian


17.04597900
scy197_Scythian


21.41811149
scy311_Scythian


23.80827167
scy301_Scythian


32.99629979
scy304_Scythian


34.65056421
scy010_Scythian


35.90271995
scy011_Scythian


38.90588259
cim358_Cimmerian


40.75740424
cim357_Cimmerian


41.42351265
chy001_Sarmatian


43.48882960
chy002_Sarmatian


44.27517250
scy006_Scythian


45.15418253
tem003_Sarmatian


45.19227036
kzb001_Srubnaya


45.57104563
scy009_Scythian


46.06873343
tem002_Sarmatian


46.98691307
tem001_Sarmatian


49.05645421
cim359_Cimmerian


49.61631687
kzb006_Srubnaya


49.62143388
scy303_Scythian


50.11595854
kzb003_Srubnaya


50.35501564
mur004_Srubnaya


50.50050693
kzb009_Srubnaya

Palermo Trapani
11-04-20, 18:48
Buona Pasqua a tutti: My Single Distances Scy 192 and Scy300 are my best 2, both < 10, and the only 2 that show up in the single tab results. SC 197 is in the 10-15 range (12.88) and then one at 16.7 (Scy305), everything else > 20. Thanks again Jovialis for your hard work



Distance to:
PalermoTrapani


9.64176851
scy192_Scythian


9.83474962
scy300_Scythian


12.88004270
scy197_Scythian


16.71679694
scy305_Scythian


20.23002224
scy311_Scythian


25.63240722
scy301_Scythian


32.38220345
scy304_Scythian


34.90977943
scy010_Scythian


38.60798363
scy011_Scythian


42.25677224
cim358_Cimmerian


42.68582786
cim357_Cimmerian


43.98668094
chy001_Sarmatian


44.96534777
scy009_Scythian


45.59871051
kzb001_Srubnaya


45.91385194
scy006_Scythian


46.01443035
chy002_Sarmatian


48.00665475
tem003_Sarmatian


48.14089114
scy303_Scythian


48.29581245
tem002_Sarmatian


49.39169465
tem001_Sarmatian


49.92060897
kzb003_Srubnaya


50.29634380
kzb006_Srubnaya


51.08110120
kzb009_Srubnaya


51.29574836
kzb007_Srubnaya


51.36883880
cim359_Cimmerian


51.95131471
mur004_Srubnaya


54.08736266
scy193_Scythian


54.15616216
mur003_Srubnaya


54.94479229
kzb005_Srubnaya


56.16210466
kzb002_Srubnaya


56.16294152
kzb008_Srubnaya


56.66215668
mur002_Srubnaya


56.91261284
mur001_Srubnaya


57.41231227
kzb004_Srubnaya


76.88158362
scy332_Scythian





Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 9.6418% / 9.64176851 | ADC: 2x



100.0
scy192_Scythian








Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 9.5780% / 9.57803907 | ADC: 1x



80.2
scy192_Scythian





19.8
scy300_Scythian








Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 9.5643% / 9.56433510 | ADC: 0.5x



69.0
scy192_Scythian





31.0
scy300_Scythian









Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 9.5634% / 9.56342324 | ADC: 0.25x



66.0
scy192_Scythian





34.0
scy300_Scythian

torzio
11-04-20, 20:00
Here are all of the Scythian, Sarmatian, Cimmerian, and Srubnaya samples. This one was tricky to get, but I found away to get the files to convert. You had to save them to a desktop, rather than an individual folder. Idk why, but it made the software work correctly:

Ancient genomes suggest the eastern Pontic-Caspian steppe as the source of western Iron Age nomads

Krzewińska et al. 2018

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB27628



chy001_Sarmatian,22.69,8.21,0,0,13.39,40.51,3.2,0. 68,0,0.12,11.2,0
chy002_Sarmatian,25.87,8.68,0,0,12.38,37.73,0.98,0 ,0,5.7,7.85,0.82
cim357_Cimmerian,17.43,8.06,0,1.02,16.1,42.32,3.11 ,0,0,1.06,10.9,0
cim358_Cimmerian,22.58,11.12,0,3.04,8.31,32.3,3.23 ,1.43,0,5.24,12.76,0
cim359_Cimmerian,13.81,23.13,0,1.62,7.05,33.66,3.7 ,0.01,0,12.42,3.99,0.62
kzb001_Srubnaya,12.46,2.5,2.64,1.76,22.63,47.36,2. 83,1.29,0,0.82,5.72,0
kzb002_Srubnaya,21.09,3.59,0,0,18.79,54.68,0.81,0, 0,0,0.91,0.12
kzb003_Srubnaya,20.86,0.61,1.59,0,27.72,47.14,2.09 ,0,0,0,0,0
kzb004_Srubnaya,9.17,8.33,0,0,24.07,58.42,0,0,0,0, 0,0
kzb005_Srubnaya,17.86,1.95,0,0,13.6,56.88,0,1.68,0 ,0,7.96,0.06
kzb006_Srubnaya,18.13,1.71,0,0,22.3,51.06,1.34,0,0 ,0,4.15,1.3
kzb007_Srubnaya,18.39,1.92,0,0,21.93,52.11,0,1.15, 0,0,3.94,0.57
kzb008_Srubnaya,19.26,2.85,0,0.02,14.65,56.62,0.35 ,1.24,0,0,4.84,0.16
kzb009_Srubnaya,18.12,2.94,0,0,22.91,51.61,0,0,0.2 7,0,3.22,0.93
mur001_Srubnaya,21.99,3.22,0,0,18.4,55.26,0,0,0,0, 0.84,0.29
mur002_Srubnaya,20.07,0.7,0,4.28,16.77,54.31,1.06, 2.8,0,0,0,0
mur003_Srubnaya,19.28,2.35,0,0,22.87,53.76,0,0,0,0 ,1.1,0.64
mur004_Srubnaya,17.15,3.53,0,0,16.72,54.14,0,0,0,0 ,7.68,0.78
scy006_Scythian,13.82,0,6.4,3.46,14.64,45.37,0,0,1 2.79,0,3.51,0
scy009_Scythian,4.23,0,0.79,0,28.83,51.34,0,0.44,1 .95,0,10.18,2.24
scy010_Scythian,9.55,0,0,0,26.15,42.92,0.16,0,0.37 ,0.48,18.85,1.52
scy011_Scythian,16.47,8.21,1.55,0,13.83,38.9,0,2.4 1,0.95,2.23,15.44,0
scy192_Scythian,6.15,2.19,2.36,0,33.03,20.16,0.24, 0,8.81,0,27.04,0
scy193_Scythian,26.88,0.89,5.86,3.62,4.91,41.86,5. 06,3.64,7.27,0,0,0
scy197_Scythian,3.49,0.62,0.2,0,34.96,21.32,0,0.65 ,5.34,2.18,30.87,0.39
scy300_Scythian,5.95,1.42,0,1.64,33.53,20.09,0,0,1 0.58,0,26.79,0
scy301_Scythian,12.78,6.07,0,0,21.44,31.2,0.66,0,3 .58,1.56,22.02,0.69
scy303_Scythian,9.62,0.42,0,0,34.83,50.06,0,0,0,0, 3.54,1.52
scy304_Scythian,12.02,0,4.91,1.76,28.54,36.4,0.53, 0.93,0,0,13.33,1.58
scy305_Scythian,6.81,0.44,0,0.24,25.58,27.17,0,0,6 .57,3.55,29.64,0
scy311_Scythian,14.93,1.03,0,4.47,29.91,24.38,0,0, 4.36,0.37,20.21,0.35
scy332_Scythian,0,38.92,0,0,0,9.86,0,0,0,47.11,0,4 .11
tem001_Sarmatian,25.16,5.97,0,0,12.41,44.18,0,0,0, 5.3,6.98,0
tem002_Sarmatian,26.74,8.42,0,0.75,13.66,40.74,1.6 6,0,0,1.4,5.72,0.91
tem003_Sarmatian,22.48,5.77,0,0,9.89,44.11,1.85,0, 0,5.08,9.97,0.85


The term Scythian of these samples represents the Getae-Thracian group in NW black sea area and the Cimmerians as NE black sea lands

torzio
12-04-20, 20:53
^Sure, I'll see what I can do, thanks for the link.

below is the Ydna found from these neolithic swiss

Aesch1 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch4 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch6 G2a2a-Z6484
Aesch7 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch12 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch13 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch14 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch17 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch19 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch20 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch21 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch22 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch23 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch24 G2a2a-Z6484
Aesch25 R1b-L151* (xP312,U106)
MX150 G2a2a-L91
MX182 G2a2a-PF3239
MX183 G2a2a-PF3239
MX187 G2a2a-pre-L166
MX188 I2a1a2-Y3104*
MX190 I2a1a2-Y3104*
MX191 I2a1a2-Y3104*
MX192 I2a1a2-Y3104*
MX195 I2a1a2a-pre-L161?
MX204 G2a2a-Z6484
MX209 G2a2a-pre-L166
MX210 G2a2a-pre-L166
MX211 G2a2a-pre-L166
MX212 G2a2a-pre-L166
MX213 G2a2a-pre-L166
MX219 G2a2a-PF3147
MX252 R1b-L2
MX254_2 R1b-L2
MX257 R1b-L2
MX258 R1b-P312
MX259 R1b-P312
MX265 R1a-M458
MX270 R1b-L20
MX275 R1b-L2
MX279 R1b-L2
MX283 R1b-L2
MX286 R1b-L2
MX288 R1b-L2
SNPRA58 G2a2a-Z6484
SNPRA61 G2a2a-pre-L166
SNPRA62 G2a2a-pre-L166
SNPRA63 R1b-L2
SNPRA64 R1b-L2
SX10 G2a2a-L166
SX11 G2a2b-PF3345*
SX20 R1b-P312
SX29 I2a1a2-M423 (xL621)
SX32 R1b-L52 (xP312,U106)
SX33 I2a1a2a-L161

Regio X
13-04-20, 13:29
below is the Ydna found from these neolithic swiss

Aesch1 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch4 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch6 G2a2a-Z6484
Aesch7 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch12 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch13 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch14 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch17 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch19 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch20 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch21 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch22 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch23 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch24 G2a2a-Z6484
Aesch25 R1b-L151* (xP312,U106)
MX150 G2a2a-L91
MX182 G2a2a-PF3239
MX183 G2a2a-PF3239
MX187 G2a2a-pre-L166
MX188 I2a1a2-Y3104*
MX190 I2a1a2-Y3104*
MX191 I2a1a2-Y3104*
MX192 I2a1a2-Y3104*
MX195 I2a1a2a-pre-L161?
MX204 G2a2a-Z6484
MX209 G2a2a-pre-L166
MX210 G2a2a-pre-L166
MX211 G2a2a-pre-L166
MX212 G2a2a-pre-L166
MX213 G2a2a-pre-L166
MX219 G2a2a-PF3147
MX252 R1b-L2
MX254_2 R1b-L2
MX257 R1b-L2
MX258 R1b-P312
MX259 R1b-P312
MX265 R1a-M458
MX270 R1b-L20
MX275 R1b-L2
MX279 R1b-L2
MX283 R1b-L2
MX286 R1b-L2
MX288 R1b-L2
SNPRA58 G2a2a-Z6484
SNPRA61 G2a2a-pre-L166
SNPRA62 G2a2a-pre-L166
SNPRA63 R1b-L2
SNPRA64 R1b-L2
SX10 G2a2a-L166
SX11 G2a2b-PF3345*
SX20 R1b-P312
SX29 I2a1a2-M423 (xL621)
SX32 R1b-L52 (xP312,U106)
SX33 I2a1a2a-L161Thank you, torzio.
Curiously, lots of G2a2a (uncommon in the area nowadays) and just a single G2a2b (more common nowadays).

torzio
14-04-20, 02:14
Thank you, torzio.
Curiously, lots of G2a2a (uncommon in the area nowadays) and just a single G2a2b (more common nowadays).

It usually is seen along the Rhine , belgium , flanders and in old german area

Halberstadt in Germany

G2a2a1-PF3170 and negative for subgroups is found in an ancient skeleton dated about 7000 years old, in a man buried in Halberstadt, Germany. sample I0659 from grave #35

near where they found the 3 x T1a1 ydna in Karlsdorf ...same time period ...........and also with ydna H


some have this theory below ...........note also the L497 areas

https://i.postimg.cc/YCBnJKgb/g2a.png (https://postimages.org/)

Regio X
14-04-20, 03:44
It usually is seen along the Rhine , belgium , flanders and in old german area

Halberstadt in Germany

G2a2a1-PF3170 and negative for subgroups is found in an ancient skeleton dated about 7000 years old, in a man buried in Halberstadt, Germany. sample I0659 from grave #35

near where they found the 3 x T1a1 ydna in Karlsdorf ...same time period ...........and also with ydna H


some have this theory below ...........note also the L497 areas

https://i.postimg.cc/YCBnJKgb/g2a.png (https://postimages.org/)Interesting hypotheses. Thanks for sharing.
Indeed, there would have been more than one route and more than one wave in Neolithic, from Anatolia. IIRC, Cardial (Mediterranean route) was poor in G-P303, like the first wave through the so-called Danubian route, whereas the second wave would be rich in G-P303. I'd have to revisit the old papers to confirm it. :)

kingjohn
18-04-20, 14:34
below is the Ydna found from these neolithic swiss

Aesch1 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch4 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch6 G2a2a-Z6484
Aesch7 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch12 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch13 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch14 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch17 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch19 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch20 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch21 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch22 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch23 G2a2a-pre-L166
Aesch24 G2a2a-Z6484
Aesch25 R1b-L151* (xP312,U106)
MX150 G2a2a-L91
MX182 G2a2a-PF3239
MX183 G2a2a-PF3239
MX187 G2a2a-pre-L166
MX188 I2a1a2-Y3104*
MX190 I2a1a2-Y3104*
MX191 I2a1a2-Y3104*
MX192 I2a1a2-Y3104*
MX195 I2a1a2a-pre-L161?
MX204 G2a2a-Z6484
MX209 G2a2a-pre-L166
MX210 G2a2a-pre-L166
MX211 G2a2a-pre-L166
MX212 G2a2a-pre-L166
MX213 G2a2a-pre-L166
MX219 G2a2a-PF3147
MX252 R1b-L2
MX254_2 R1b-L2
MX257 R1b-L2
MX258 R1b-P312
MX259 R1b-P312
MX265 R1a-M458
MX270 R1b-L20
MX275 R1b-L2
MX279 R1b-L2
MX283 R1b-L2
MX286 R1b-L2
MX288 R1b-L2
SNPRA58 G2a2a-Z6484
SNPRA61 G2a2a-pre-L166
SNPRA62 G2a2a-pre-L166
SNPRA63 R1b-L2
SNPRA64 R1b-L2
SX10 G2a2a-L166
SX11 G2a2b-PF3345*
SX20 R1b-P312
SX29 I2a1a2-M423 (xL621)
SX32 R1b-L52 (xP312,U106)
SX33 I2a1a2a-L161

thanks for sharing
alot of neolithic G
nice number of r1b
some I-M170
no e-v13 .....
there is one r1a though .....
MX265 R1a-M458

Jovialis
23-04-20, 03:51
@Jovialis

can you do these ancient swiss samples

https://trace.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Traces/sra/?study=SRP250694


Aesch1_Switzerland_LN,0,0,3.71,0,66.18,7.18,0.1,0, 8.62,0.78,13.43,0
Aesch2_Switzerland_LN,0,0,7.65,0,66.67,7.92,0,0,4. 97,0.82,11.96,0
Aesch3_Switzerland_LN,0,0,5.59,0,63.58,9.56,0,0,8. 39,0,12.75,0.13
Aesch4_Switzerland_LN,0,0,4.15,0.94,66.08,11.31,0, 0,5.28,0,12.23,0
Aesch5_Switzerland_LN,0,0,6.71,0,65.75,7.17,0,0,9. 84,0,10.52,0.01
Aesch6_Switzerland_LN,0,0,0.41,0,65.34,15.79,0,0,7 .99,0,10.48,0
Aesch7_Switzerland_LN,0,0,4.34,1.17,66.01,16.85,0, 0,5.82,0,5.8,0
Aesch8_Switzerland_LN,0,0,3.16,0,69.84,9.55,0,0,5. 63,0,11.82,0
Aesch9_Switzerland_LN,0,0,3.59,0.42,66.55,9.89,0,0 ,7.08,0,12.47,0
Aesch10_Switzerland_LN,0,0,2.83,0,67.95,8.35,0,0,1 0.36,0,10.51,0
Aesch11_Switzerland_LN,0,0,3.33,0,66.66,8.37,0,0,1 0.13,0,11.51,0
Aesch12_Switzerland_LN,0,0,6.05,0,67.21,5.74,0,0,8 .64,0,12.36,0
Aesch13_Switzerland_LN,0,0.29,1.51,0,66.45,11.72,0 ,0,8.88,0,11.15,0
Aesch14_Switzerland_LN,0,0,3.95,0.05,64.63,9.07,0, 0,8.17,0,14.13,0
Aesch15_Switzerland_LN,0,0,6.31,0,65.27,7.99,0,0,6 .11,0,14.32,0
Aesch16_Switzerland_LN,0,0,2.87,1.21,64.89,5.04,0, 0,7.24,2.37,16.18,0.19
Aesch17_Switzerland_LN,0,0,2.97,0,65.99,9.59,0,0.2 5,8.32,0,12.87,0
Aesch18_Switzerland_LN,0,0.63,4.59,0.22,66.83,8.09 ,0,0,6.54,0,13.1,0
Aesch19_Switzerland_LN,0,0,5.11,0,65.16,10.36,0,0, 6.56,0,12.81,0
Aesch20_Switzerland_LN,0,0,4.2,0,70.33,10.34,0,0.0 1,5.89,0.96,8.27,0
Aesch21_Switzerland_LN,0,0,3.33,0,71.19,6.19,0,0,8 .6,0,10.7,0
Aesch22_Switzerland_LN,0,0,6.76,0,62.73,11.6,0,0,8 .68,0,10.22,0
Aesch23_Switzerland_LN,0,0,5.22,0,65.35,9.68,0,0,7 .5,0,12.14,0.12
Aesch24_Switzerland_LN,0,0,3.71,0,69.79,7,0,0,6.34 ,0,13.12,0.04
Aesch25_Switzerland_LN,19.79,1.15,0,0,22.9,54.84,0 .46,0,0,0,0,0.85
MX150_Switzerland_LN,0,0,5.07,0,65.3,12.1,0,0,8.8, 0,8.73,0
MX182_Switzerland_LN,0,0,3.96,0.11,67.25,10.62,0,0 ,5.85,0.95,11.28,0
MX184_Switzerland_LN,0,0,5.43,0,67.14,11.44,0,0.17 ,6.62,0.5,8.7,0
MX187_Switzerland_LN,0,0,4.04,0,63.5,10.05,0,0,9.0 7,0.45,12.9,0
MX188_Switzerland_LN,11.73,1.32,0.22,0,32.48,45.7, 0.08,0,1.03,0,5.87,1.58
MX189_Switzerland_LN,12.54,0.35,0,0,29.82,49.52,2. 24,0,0,0,4.56,0.97
MX190_Switzerland_LN,10.77,0.64,0,0,30.77,46.37,1. 03,0,0,0,9.44,0.99
MX191_Switzerland_LN,13.34,0.57,0,0,30.24,48.68,1. 75,1.49,0,0.57,3.18,0.19
MX192_Switzerland_LN,12.57,2.53,0,0.71,36.08,45.32 ,0,0,0,0,1.61,1.18
MX193_Switzerland_LN,0,0,6.15,0,69.29,11.27,0,0,5. 18,0.13,7.99,0
MX195_Switzerland_LN,13.57,1.95,0,0,33.6,47.12,1.7 ,0.7,0,0,1.37,0
MX196_Switzerland_LN,14.19,0.22,0,0,25.72,49.79,1. 85,0,0,0.37,7.31,0.55
MX197_Switzerland_LN,18.11,1.82,0,0.16,32.9,46.05, 0.13,0,0,0,0,0.82
MX198_Switzerland_LN,13.48,0.13,0.49,1.11,26.65,49 .32,0,1.28,0.59,0.28,6.28,0.4
MX199_Switzerland_LN,11.99,1.73,0,0.11,25.53,48.5, 0,0.13,0.16,0,11.11,0.73
MX203_Switzerland_LN,0,0,1.01,0,65.69,4.67,0,0,9.4 4,0,19.19,0
MX204_Switzerland_LN,0,0,2.92,0,64.97,8.67,0,0,6.0 9,0,17.36,0
MX209_Switzerland_LN,0,0,3.46,0,67.58,7.28,0,0,12. 41,0.28,8.98,0
MX210_Switzerland_LN,0,0,3.1,0,70.95,13.4,0,0,5.65 ,0,6.9,0
MX211_Switzerland_LN,0,0.49,3.42,0,67.72,8.67,0,0, 6.99,0,12.71,0
MX212_Switzerland_LN,0,0,4.83,0.27,65.29,12.59,0,0 .23,7.71,0,9.08,0
MX213_Switzerland_LN,0,0,4.38,0.24,70.68,9.84,0,0, 7.35,0,7.5,0
MX219_Switzerland_LN,0,0,8.66,0,58.62,11.03,0,0,5. 35,0,16.34,0
MX251_Switzerland_LN,10.06,0,4.03,0,39.16,39.32,0, 0.31,3.9,0,3.21,0
MX252_Switzerland_LN,9.15,0.25,3.78,0,41.38,39.16, 1.43,0.32,1.25,0,3.28,0
MX254_Switzerland_LN,4.38,1.63,0.65,0.46,39.62,36. 79,0,0,4.57,0,11.9,0
MX256_Switzerland_LN,0,0,0,2.04,43.65,32.73,2.88,0 ,0,5.18,13.53,0
MX257_Switzerland_LN,10.1,0,3.02,0.37,38.44,38.68, 1.48,0.39,0.78,0,5.69,1.05
MX258_Switzerland_LN,10.64,0,1.89,0,35.77,37.82,0. 6,0,5.98,0,7.3,0
MX259_Switzerland_LN,9.25,0.78,1.15,0,34.14,38.69, 0,1.39,0,0,14.61,0
MX265_Switzerland_LN,0.53,0.13,1.81,0.27,31.81,42. 65,0.59,0.32,4.16,0,17.73,0
MX270_Switzerland_LN,11.76,1.7,0.05,0,38.15,37.74, 0,0.77,3.14,0,6.69,0
MX275_Switzerland_LN,11.38,1.66,3.37,0.31,42.51,36 .22,0.34,0,1.44,0,2.77,0
MX277_Switzerland_LN,4.23,0,4.24,0,43.64,33.58,0,1 .51,1.37,0.25,11.19,0
MX279_Switzerland_LN,7.32,0.19,0,0,38.72,41.41,3.0 7,0,2.75,0,6.54,0
MX280_Switzerland_LN,7.41,0.84,0.7,0,38.85,42.16,0 .72,0,0.75,0,7.79,0.77
MX283_Switzerland_LN,6.19,0.87,0.87,0.46,44.75,34. 26,0,0,2.98,0,8.88,0.73
MX286_Switzerland_LN,8.93,0,0,1.61,42.87,34.81,0,0 ,1.7,0,9.82,0.27
MX288_Switzerland_LN,6.34,1.12,0,0.4,42.57,39.93,0 .45,0,0.49,0.27,8.18,0.24
MX298_Switzerland_LN,10.03,0,0,0,47.19,32.05,0,1.9 5,5.39,0,3.39,0
MX299_Switzerland_LN,1.4,0,1.6,0,46.59,26.18,0.64, 0,4.12,0,19.33,0.13
MX304_Switzerland_LN,0,2.13,0,0,37.85,44.06,0,0,0, 2.75,12.19,1.03
MX310_Switzerland_LN,2.3,0,0,0,17.55,53.03,1.07,0, 5.65,0,20.4,0
SNPRA42_Switzerland_LN,0,0,3.26,2.46,59.56,10.57,0 ,0,8.49,0,15.65,0
SNPRA43_Switzerland_LN,0,1.57,7.31,0,63.13,9.23,0, 0,3.63,1.95,13.19,0
SNPRA44_Switzerland_LN,0,0.35,5.22,0,66.32,12.8,0, 0,6.23,0,9.08,0
SNPRA45_Switzerland_LN,0,0,4.93,0.5,69.35,4.99,0.5 4,0,8.32,0.43,10.94,0
SNPRA54_Switzerland_LN,0,0.4,1.52,0,67.74,3.83,0,0 ,0,0,25.21,1.3
SNPRA57_Switzerland_LN,0,0.3,7.09,0,62.83,11.34,0, 0,7.56,0,10.87,0
SNPRA58_Switzerland_LN,0,0,4.43,0.22,66.91,11.95,0 ,0,3.25,0,13.24,0
SNPRA59_Switzerland_LN,0,0.67,6.64,0,61.52,17.53,0 ,0,5.91,0,7.74,0
SNPRA61_Switzerland_LN,0,0,4.19,0.19,67.32,11.42,0 ,0,5.27,0,11.61,0
SNPRA62_Switzerland_LN,0,0,4.73,0.03,61.93,14.32,0 ,0,6.06,0,12.86,0.08
SNPRA63_Switzerland_LN,12.1,0,2.79,2.89,42.92,33.4 3,0,0.03,0.53,0,5.32,0
SNPRA64_Switzerland_LN,12.09,0.79,0,0.25,35.92,41. 73,1.58,0,1.7,0,5.54,0.39
SX8_Switzerland_LN,0,0,3.21,0.78,67.04,9.89,0,0,6. 58,0,12.24,0.26
SX9_Switzerland_LN,0,0,2.25,0,62.87,11.69,0,0,11.2 7,0,11.93,0
SX10_Switzerland_LN,0,0,0.83,1.17,71.24,9.84,0,0,8 .24,0.31,8.37,0
SX11_Switzerland_LN,0,0,5.83,0.15,61.06,13.94,0,0, 7.02,0,12.01,0
SX17_Switzerland_LN,0,0,5.88,0,64.01,7.14,0,0,5.82 ,0,17.15,0
SX18_Switzerland_LN,3.4,0.37,0.78,0.46,49.34,24.63 ,0,0,1.52,0,18.83,0.68
SX20_Switzerland_LN,4.27,0,2.11,0.98,45.73,33.5,0, 0,2.6,0,10.8,0
SX21_Switzerland_LN,0,0,6.76,0,59.87,5.27,0,0,8.58 ,0.24,19.29,0
SX22_Switzerland_LN,0,0,4.2,0,63.02,8.65,0,0,7.44, 0,16.69,0
SX23_Switzerland_LN,6.78,1.2,0,0,37.31,40.93,0.79, 0.26,1.99,0,10.75,0
SX26_Switzerland_LN,0,0,3.59,0,61.52,8.21,0,0,8.01 ,0.12,18.55,0
SX29_Switzerland_LN,0,0,3.22,0,54.51,7.97,0,0,9.1, 0,25.19,0
SX30_Switzerland_LN,0,0,4.04,0.75,57.89,3.69,0,0,9 .78,0.63,23.22,0
SX32_Switzerland_LN,13.63,0.33,0,0,29.97,46.28,1.1 7,0.35,0,0,8.27,0
SX33_Switzerland_LN,0,0,4.35,0.12,55.59,0,0,0,12.7 6,0,27.18,0

Jovialis
23-04-20, 03:58
https://i.imgur.com/gEiUlsL.png

https://i.imgur.com/LqPB1c9.png

Duarte
23-04-20, 04:51
Thanks Jovialis :)



Distance to:
Duarte


11.57087724
MX299_Switzerland_LN


12.05905469
SX18_Switzerland_LN


12.23096071
MX277_Switzerland_LN


13.00622159
SX20_Switzerland_LN


13.97631568
MX283_Switzerland_LN


14.85110097
MX286_Switzerland_LN


15.29105621
MX256_Switzerland_LN


15.94137384
SNPRA63_Switzerland_LN


15.95190584
MX254_Switzerland_LN


16.72060705
MX298_Switzerland_LN


18.69751588
MX275_Switzerland_LN


19.08602892
MX257_Switzerland_LN


19.09634258
MX258_Switzerland_LN


19.24047557
MX270_Switzerland_LN


19.42911732
MX288_Switzerland_LN


19.59785703
MX259_Switzerland_LN


20.07728318
MX252_Switzerland_LN


20.34779595
SX23_Switzerland_LN


20.42576314
MX251_Switzerland_LN


21.48790823
MX280_Switzerland_LN


21.53046446
MX279_Switzerland_LN


22.32181668
MX219_Switzerland_LN


22.33997314
SNPRA59_Switzerland_LN


22.65554678
SX11_Switzerland_LN


23.12345995
SNPRA62_Switzerland_LN


23.40222212
SNPRA64_Switzerland_LN


23.59484266
SNPRA42_Switzerland_LN


23.84075083
MX304_Switzerland_LN


24.11789170
MX265_Switzerland_LN


25.07315696
SX29_Switzerland_LN


25.43311621
SNPRA57_Switzerland_LN


25.48167577
Aesch22_Switzerland_LN


26.32171727
SX9_Switzerland_LN


26.43965582
SNPRA43_Switzerland_LN


26.59222443
Aesch6_Switzerland_LN


26.69902433
SX26_Switzerland_LN


26.82204317
MX187_Switzerland_LN


26.90898549
Aesch3_Switzerland_LN


26.91826517
Aesch7_Switzerland_LN


27.12462903
SX22_Switzerland_LN


27.15159480
MX212_Switzerland_LN


27.34840032
MX188_Switzerland_LN


27.51317503
SX21_Switzerland_LN


27.58416394
Aesch19_Switzerland_LN


27.60905830
MX150_Switzerland_LN


27.79228130
SNPRA44_Switzerland_LN


27.85525444
Aesch4_Switzerland_LN


27.89143417
MX192_Switzerland_LN


27.90396388
MX190_Switzerland_LN


28.07079799
Aesch14_Switzerland_LN


28.16488949
Aesch23_Switzerland_LN


28.26521714
SNPRA58_Switzerland_LN


28.54239829
SX17_Switzerland_LN


28.69560942
MX204_Switzerland_LN


28.80495617
SX30_Switzerland_LN


28.82049097
Aesch13_Switzerland_LN


28.82197946
Aesch15_Switzerland_LN


28.92715852
SNPRA61_Switzerland_LN


28.99794820
Aesch17_Switzerland_LN


29.09235123
Aesch9_Switzerland_LN


29.10480888
MX184_Switzerland_LN


29.11498411
SX32_Switzerland_LN


29.28381635
MX182_Switzerland_LN


29.43572829
SX8_Switzerland_LN


29.95575070
Aesch2_Switzerland_LN


30.06863316
Aesch18_Switzerland_LN


30.25994217
Aesch5_Switzerland_LN


30.35341991
Aesch1_Switzerland_LN


30.44695059
MX195_Switzerland_LN


30.47984088
Aesch11_Switzerland_LN


30.60891373
Aesch16_Switzerland_LN


30.65575150
MX211_Switzerland_LN


31.03754178
MX193_Switzerland_LN


31.69159037
Aesch10_Switzerland_LN


31.73710762
MX197_Switzerland_LN


31.85491956
Aesch12_Switzerland_LN


31.98827754
Aesch8_Switzerland_LN


32.01861334
MX191_Switzerland_LN


32.12923435
MX210_Switzerland_LN


32.18141389
MX199_Switzerland_LN


32.25902819
MX189_Switzerland_LN


32.36442646
Aesch20_Switzerland_LN


32.41776211
MX203_Switzerland_LN


32.50059076
MX209_Switzerland_LN


32.59177657
SX33_Switzerland_LN


33.04214279
MX198_Switzerland_LN


33.09137501
Aesch24_Switzerland_LN


33.09237374
MX213_Switzerland_LN


33.88874592
SX10_Switzerland_LN


33.96636424
SNPRA45_Switzerland_LN


34.08226372
MX196_Switzerland_LN


35.01349740
Aesch21_Switzerland_LN


35.46889764
SNPRA54_Switzerland_LN


40.44605914
MX310_Switzerland_LN


42.61739082
Aesch25_Switzerland_LN





https://i.imgur.com/Nc5MDXo.png

torzio
23-04-20, 08:19
Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 3.9149% / 3.91491945 | ADC: 0.25x



54.6
MX259_Switzerland_LN






29.8
SX33_Switzerland_LN






15.6
MX310_Switzerland_LN
















Distance to:
Torziok12b


12.59470127
MX299_Switzerland_LN


13.68046052
MX254_Switzerland_LN


14.25829232
MX259_Switzerland_LN


15.12795756
MX277_Switzerland_LN


15.35924152
SX18_Switzerland_LN


15.78438786
MX286_Switzerland_LN


15.93504628
SX20_Switzerland_LN


16.32076285
MX256_Switzerland_LN


16.67200948
MX283_Switzerland_LN


16.95557725
MX265_Switzerland_LN


17.17908321
SX23_Switzerland_LN


17.19705207
MX258_Switzerland_LN


18.46855706
MX270_Switzerland_LN


19.69874361
MX288_Switzerland_LN


19.80602686
SNPRA63_Switzerland_LN


19.92498934
MX257_Switzerland_LN


20.36119103
MX280_Switzerland_LN


20.42601772
MX279_Switzerland_LN


21.02531569
MX304_Switzerland_LN


21.68738343
MX298_Switzerland_LN


21.79099126
MX251_Switzerland_LN


21.81797195
SNPRA64_Switzerland_LN


22.15192994
MX275_Switzerland_LN


22.42641300
MX252_Switzerland_LN


23.47896718
MX190_Switzerland_LN

Anfänger
23-04-20, 12:35
DodecadK12b. Can anyone get farther away ? :embarassed:

12019

Angela
23-04-20, 14:48
Distance to:
Angela


12.33096914
MX299_Switzerland_LN


13.74084422
SX18_Switzerland_LN


18.75650820
SX29_Switzerland_LN


21.46235309
MX256_Switzerland_LN


21.96523162
MX277_Switzerland_LN


22.25586664
SX20_Switzerland_LN


23.24060886
MX254_Switzerland_LN


23.54263579
MX219_Switzerland_LN


24.00673655
MX283_Switzerland_LN


24.03900996
MX286_Switzerland_LN


24.22590762
SNPRA42_Switzerland_LN


24.24752977
SX30_Switzerland_LN


25.09396342
MX259_Switzerland_LN


25.43743501
SX26_Switzerland_LN


25.75116696
SX21_Switzerland_LN


25.76708559
SX33_Switzerland_LN


26.30128514
SNPRA62_Switzerland_LN


26.30138780
SX11_Switzerland_LN


27.08770016
MX265_Switzerland_LN


27.11809543
SX22_Switzerland_LN


27.49915635
SNPRA63_Switzerland_LN


27.68234455
SX23_Switzerland_LN


28.04048323
MX258_Switzerland_LN


28.11758702
MX298_Switzerland_LN


28.40213372
MX204_Switzerland_LN



The combination isn't that bad...



Target: Angela
Distance: 5.5702% / 5.57018636




53.2
SX33_Switzerland_LN





26.0
MX310_Switzerland_LN





16.8
MX259_Switzerland_LN





4.0
SNPRA54_Switzerland_LN

Angela
23-04-20, 16:05
Distance to:
Angela


12.33096914
MX299_Switzerland_LN


13.74084422
SX18_Switzerland_LN


18.75650820
SX29_Switzerland_LN


21.46235309
MX256_Switzerland_LN


21.96523162
MX277_Switzerland_LN


22.25586664
SX20_Switzerland_LN


23.24060886
MX254_Switzerland_LN


23.54263579
MX219_Switzerland_LN


24.00673655
MX283_Switzerland_LN


24.03900996
MX286_Switzerland_LN


24.22590762
SNPRA42_Switzerland_LN


24.24752977
SX30_Switzerland_LN


25.09396342
MX259_Switzerland_LN


25.43743501
SX26_Switzerland_LN


25.75116696
SX21_Switzerland_LN


25.76708559
SX33_Switzerland_LN


26.30128514
SNPRA62_Switzerland_LN


26.30138780
SX11_Switzerland_LN


27.08770016
MX265_Switzerland_LN


27.11809543
SX22_Switzerland_LN


27.49915635
SNPRA63_Switzerland_LN


27.68234455
SX23_Switzerland_LN


28.04048323
MX258_Switzerland_LN


28.11758702
MX298_Switzerland_LN


28.40213372
MX204_Switzerland_LN



The combination isn't that bad...



Target: Angela
Distance: 5.5702% / 5.57018636


53.2
SX33_Switzerland_LN





26.0
MX310_Switzerland_LN





16.8
MX259_Switzerland_LN





4.0
SNPRA54_Switzerland_LN




Everyone's closest sample so far: MX99 is a woman so no yDna.

WHG:Anatolia Neolithic:Yamnaya Samarra


0.212
0.74
0.048




For my particular mix:



53.2
SX33_Switzerland_LN I2a1a2a-L161







0.036
0.882
0.082





26.0
MX310_Switzerland_LN




0.168
0.782
0.05






16.8
MX259_Switzerland_LN R1b-P312


This one above has a lot of steppe:



0.146
0.313
0.541





4.0
SNPRA54_Switzerland_LN R1b-L2


Couldn't find it for some reason.

Anyone know where I can find the mtDna by sample designation?

Also...the matchiest one for most of us: MX299

And there we have it: Reasonably close to Swiss Italians, and for the rest Northern Italians, with Ligurians at 11 and Emilians are at 12, which is also what I get. :) Well, good for Swiss Italians. How's that for continuity since the Neolithic.



Distance to:
MX299_Switzerland_LN


7.86760208
Swiss_Italian


8.32155634
Baleares


8.66289609
Italy_Aosta_Valley


8.80006372
Italy_Lombardy


9.50976971
Italy_Trentino


10.30051940
Galicia


10.42783439
Italy_Piedmont


11.21987332
Italy_Veneto


11.36515878
Italy_Liguria


12.02383882
Extremadura


12.24202561
Italy_Emilia


12.35363509
Spaniards


12.65125685
Castilla_Y_Leon


12.87222980
Murcia


12.96705055
Portuguese


13.03473437
Cataluna


13.30628859
Italy_FriuliVG


13.74800167
Italy_Tuscany


13.78275372
Andalucia


13.81295754
France_Corsica


13.92482316
Spanish


14.33911783
Cantabria


14.75452134
Valencia


15.16549702
Castilla_La_Mancha


15.80986717
Aragon



The one from which I draw the most ancestry?


Distance to:
SX33_Switzerland_LN


17.74760266
Sardinian


24.62424366
France_Corsica


26.16187684
Andalucia


27.29518273
Murcia


28.52495399
Baleares


28.54731161
Canarias


29.94709218
Italy_Tuscany


30.00704917
Castilla_La_Mancha


30.35142501
Castilla_Y_Leon


30.36952851
Italy_Liguria


30.36969769
Italy_Marche


30.43795011
Italy_Emilia


30.52892071
Spaniards


30.58701031
Italy_Romagna


30.62304035
Extremadura


30.66261241
Morocco_Jews


30.68207946
Galicia


30.78280039
Valencia


30.82295898
Aragon


31.25414373
Portuguese


31.27009558
Italy_Lombardy


31.28882548
Spanish


31.69249227
Italy_Campania


31.88474557
Cantabria


31.98319971
Italy_Lazio



There's all that Sardinian and Spanish I always pick up. Somehow, I think my remote areas are very high in this ancient EEF type ancestry, and my Spanish affinity may be very ancient as well. Cardial, perhaps?

Next, a steppe heavy one shows up...unless I did something wrong, there's an error. On the excel page, this is supposedly 5% steppe, which makes no sense.

I draw a quarter of my ancestry from this supposedly.


Distance to:
MX310_Switzerland_LN


10.56213993
Ukranians


11.02666767
Rus_Smolensk


11.16888983
Rus_Kostroma


11.82433085
Hungarians


12.94697648
Rus_Tver


13.28619584
Southwest_Rus


13.52036612
Bosnian


13.89752136
Croat


13.99387366
Mixed_Slav


14.10285432
Polish


17.03985915
Mordovians


17.09695879
Belorussian


20.11568542
Romanians


20.39948039
German


21.03739765
Rus_Pinega


21.33617117
Pomak


21.60168512
Bulgarian


22.19832877
Bulgarians


22.36958203
Tatar_Kazan


22.87010713
Macedonian


23.84304511
Lithuanian


25.09249091
Gagauz


25.77997867
Chuvash


25.93574368
Swedish


25.96865226
Turk_Romania





Distance to:
MX259_Switzerland_LN


11.07642993
Mixed_Germanic


11.19961160
German


11.53935873
Croat


12.39836280
French


12.51147626
Italy_Aosta_Valley


12.54265522
Bosnian


12.67442701
French


13.16173621
Dutch


13.55712064
Italy_Trentino


13.66584428
Hungarians


14.32200810
Italy_FriuliVG


14.59410840
Kent


14.91406383
CEU30


15.10508193
English


15.29345162
Swiss_Italian


15.58592634
Macedonian


16.06895844
Italy_Veneto


16.64251483
British_Isles


16.66449219
Cornwall


16.69550599
Italy_Piedmont


17.23453800
British


17.58532627
Pomak


17.60685378
Argyll


18.28327925
Irish


18.46221276
Orcadian





Distance to:
SNPRA54_Switzerland_LN


8.82408069
Sardinian


25.72531827
Andalucia


27.90657629
Valencia


27.94614464
Aragon


28.64672756
Castilla_La_Mancha


28.72721706
Murcia


29.17884508
Spaniards


29.36233983
Baleares


29.42150574
Cantabria


30.24174267
Castilla_Y_Leon


30.41365483
Spanish


30.66866479
French_Basque


31.34283012
Canarias


31.82911246
Extremadura


32.02906493
Cataluna


32.11195416
Galicia


32.60566233
France_Corsica


32.69545840
Pais_Vasco


33.02487699
Portuguese


36.24869815
Italy_Lombardy


36.89030401
Italy_Liguria


36.89224757
Italy_Emilia


37.17355794
Italy_Tuscany


38.24146588
Swiss_Italian


38.52528157
Italy_Piedmont



Well, on other tests I get about 25% "steppe", so I guess it fits.

It would be interesting to see what Swiss Germans get. Swiss Italians are at about a 7 with one of the samples, although I don't know about the others.

italouruguayan
23-04-20, 17:51
Mine

Distance to: italouruguayan
19.75709493 MX259_Switzerland_LN
20.64923001 MX254_Switzerland_LN
21.25218812 MX258_Switzerland_LN
21.53405443 MX265_Switzerland_LN
22.66651716 SX23_Switzerland_LN
22.90805535 MX256_Switzerland_LN
22.93264703 MX270_Switzerland_LN
22.99793034 MX277_Switzerland_LN
23.50641615 MX286_Switzerland_LN
23.69529067 MX299_Switzerland_LN
24.09997718 MX257_Switzerland_LN
24.24651315 MX283_Switzerland_LN
24.52169652 SX20_Switzerland_LN
25.19305063 SNPRA64_Switzerland_LN
25.20693357 MX279_Switzerland_LN
25.25239395 SNPRA63_Switzerland_LN
25.35815056 MX304_Switzerland_LN
25.36605212 MX280_Switzerland_LN
25.67852410 MX251_Switzerland_LN
25.85922659 MX190_Switzerland_LN
26.04043010 MX288_Switzerland_LN
26.09811487 SX18_Switzerland_LN
26.50530324 MX275_Switzerland_LN
26.67662272 MX188_Switzerland_LN
26.79602023 SX32_Switzerland_LN

Jovialis
23-04-20, 18:16
Everyone's closest sample so far: MX99 is a woman so no yDna.

WHG:Anatolia Neolithic:Yamnaya Samarra


0.212
0.74
0.048




For my particular mix:



53.2
SX33_Switzerland_LN I2a1a2a-L161







0.036
0.882
0.082





26.0
MX310_Switzerland_LN




0.168
0.782
0.05






16.8
MX259_Switzerland_LN R1b-P312


This one above has a lot of steppe:



0.146
0.313
0.541





4.0
SNPRA54_Switzerland_LN R1b-L2


Couldn't find it for some reason.

Anyone know where I can find the mtDna by sample designation?

Also...the matchiest one for most of us: MX299

And there we have it: Reasonably close to Swiss Italians, and for the rest Northern Italians, with Ligurians at 11 and Emilians are at 12, which is also what I get. :) Well, good for Swiss Italians. How's that for continuity since the Neolithic.



Distance to:
MX299_Switzerland_LN


7.86760208
Swiss_Italian


8.32155634
Baleares


8.66289609
Italy_Aosta_Valley


8.80006372
Italy_Lombardy


9.50976971
Italy_Trentino


10.30051940
Galicia


10.42783439
Italy_Piedmont


11.21987332
Italy_Veneto


11.36515878
Italy_Liguria


12.02383882
Extremadura


12.24202561
Italy_Emilia


12.35363509
Spaniards


12.65125685
Castilla_Y_Leon


12.87222980
Murcia


12.96705055
Portuguese


13.03473437
Cataluna


13.30628859
Italy_FriuliVG


13.74800167
Italy_Tuscany


13.78275372
Andalucia


13.81295754
France_Corsica


13.92482316
Spanish


14.33911783
Cantabria


14.75452134
Valencia


15.16549702
Castilla_La_Mancha


15.80986717
Aragon



The one from which I draw the most ancestry?


Distance to:
SX33_Switzerland_LN


17.74760266
Sardinian


24.62424366
France_Corsica


26.16187684
Andalucia


27.29518273
Murcia


28.52495399
Baleares


28.54731161
Canarias


29.94709218
Italy_Tuscany


30.00704917
Castilla_La_Mancha


30.35142501
Castilla_Y_Leon


30.36952851
Italy_Liguria


30.36969769
Italy_Marche


30.43795011
Italy_Emilia


30.52892071
Spaniards


30.58701031
Italy_Romagna


30.62304035
Extremadura


30.66261241
Morocco_Jews


30.68207946
Galicia


30.78280039
Valencia


30.82295898
Aragon


31.25414373
Portuguese


31.27009558
Italy_Lombardy


31.28882548
Spanish


31.69249227
Italy_Campania


31.88474557
Cantabria


31.98319971
Italy_Lazio



There's all that Sardinian and Spanish I always pick up. Somehow, I think my remote areas are very high in this ancient EEF type ancestry, and my Spanish affinity may be very ancient as well. Cardial, perhaps?

Next, a steppe heavy one shows up...unless I did something wrong, there's an error. On the excel page, this is supposedly 5% steppe, which makes no sense.

I draw a quarter of my ancestry from this supposedly.


Distance to:
MX310_Switzerland_LN


10.56213993
Ukranians


11.02666767
Rus_Smolensk


11.16888983
Rus_Kostroma


11.82433085
Hungarians


12.94697648
Rus_Tver


13.28619584
Southwest_Rus


13.52036612
Bosnian


13.89752136
Croat


13.99387366
Mixed_Slav


14.10285432
Polish


17.03985915
Mordovians


17.09695879
Belorussian


20.11568542
Romanians


20.39948039
German


21.03739765
Rus_Pinega


21.33617117
Pomak


21.60168512
Bulgarian


22.19832877
Bulgarians


22.36958203
Tatar_Kazan


22.87010713
Macedonian


23.84304511
Lithuanian


25.09249091
Gagauz


25.77997867
Chuvash


25.93574368
Swedish


25.96865226
Turk_Romania





Distance to:
MX259_Switzerland_LN


11.07642993
Mixed_Germanic


11.19961160
German


11.53935873
Croat


12.39836280
French


12.51147626
Italy_Aosta_Valley


12.54265522
Bosnian


12.67442701
French


13.16173621
Dutch


13.55712064
Italy_Trentino


13.66584428
Hungarians


14.32200810
Italy_FriuliVG


14.59410840
Kent


14.91406383
CEU30


15.10508193
English


15.29345162
Swiss_Italian


15.58592634
Macedonian


16.06895844
Italy_Veneto


16.64251483
British_Isles


16.66449219
Cornwall


16.69550599
Italy_Piedmont


17.23453800
British


17.58532627
Pomak


17.60685378
Argyll


18.28327925
Irish


18.46221276
Orcadian





Distance to:
SNPRA54_Switzerland_LN


8.82408069
Sardinian


25.72531827
Andalucia


27.90657629
Valencia


27.94614464
Aragon


28.64672756
Castilla_La_Mancha


28.72721706
Murcia


29.17884508
Spaniards


29.36233983
Baleares


29.42150574
Cantabria


30.24174267
Castilla_Y_Leon


30.41365483
Spanish


30.66866479
French_Basque


31.34283012
Canarias


31.82911246
Extremadura


32.02906493
Cataluna


32.11195416
Galicia


32.60566233
France_Corsica


32.69545840
Pais_Vasco


33.02487699
Portuguese


36.24869815
Italy_Lombardy


36.89030401
Italy_Liguria


36.89224757
Italy_Emilia


37.17355794
Italy_Tuscany


38.24146588
Swiss_Italian


38.52528157
Italy_Piedmont



Well, on other tests I get about 25% "steppe", so I guess it fits.

It would be interesting to see what Swiss Germans get. Swiss Italians are at about a 7 with one of the samples, although I don't know about the others.

Here are the Late Neolithic Swiss compared to Italian populations on a PCA:

https://i.imgur.com/YLnaOvn.png

Angela
23-04-20, 18:36
Here are the Late Neolithic Swiss compared to Italian populations on a PCA:

https://i.imgur.com/YLnaOvn.png

Very, very nice.

So, these "natives" too were very modern Sardinian like. :)

I'm assuming the samples to the north and east on the PCA are Swiss German, Austrian and perhaps eastern European like?

torzio
23-04-20, 18:53
Here are the Late Neolithic Swiss compared to Italian populations on a PCA:

https://i.imgur.com/YLnaOvn.png

@Jovialis

the difference between Angela and I is



Distance to:
MX254_Switzerland_LN


7.33645010
French


7.43584561
French


8.87658181
Italy_Aosta_Valley


11.05456015
Italy_Trentino


12.06747954
Swiss_Italian


12.08647178
Mixed_Germanic


13.33487158
Dutch


13.55036900
Kent


13.55648981
Italy_FriuliVG


14.08817944
German


14.23238560
CEU30


14.28828891
English


14.81596673
Italy_Piedmont


15.00195987
Cornwall


15.00493618
Italy_Veneto


15.23721759
British_Isles


15.59489660
British


15.96113718
Croat


16.07137448
Italy_Lombardy


16.71133148
Galicia


17.04189250
Bosnian


17.24502247
Irish


17.41834665
Argyll


17.58393585
Orcadian


17.69352424
Cataluna




Do you have his Ydna marker and mtdna



and i also have as the next difference



Distance to:
MX310_Switzerland_LN


10.56213993
Ukranians


11.02666767
Rus_Smolensk


11.16888983
Rus_Kostroma


11.82433085
Hungarians


12.94697648
Rus_Tver


13.28619584
Southwest_Rus


13.52036612
Bosnian


13.89752136
Croat


13.99387366
Mixed_Slav


14.10285432
Polish


17.03985915
Mordovians


17.09695879
Belorussian


20.11568542
Romanians


20.39948039
German


21.03739765
Rus_Pinega


21.33617117
Pomak


21.60168512
Bulgarian


22.19832877
Bulgarians


22.36958203
Tatar_Kazan


22.87010713
Macedonian


23.84304511
Lithuanian


25.09249091
Gagauz


25.77997867
Chuvash


25.93574368
Swedish


25.96865226
Turk_Romania








64.0
Ukranians






21.0
Bosnian






15.0
Bulgarian

halfalp
23-04-20, 19:00
Anyone can explain me how to compare yourself with those ancient samples, like the swiss ones?

Jovialis
23-04-20, 19:02
Very, very nice.

So, these "natives" too were very modern Sardinian like. :)

I'm assuming the samples to the north and east on the PCA are Swiss German, Austrian and perhaps eastern European like?

Here is the PCA with the other West Eurasian populations:

https://i.imgur.com/kqSkr4y.png

Stuvanè
23-04-20, 19:10
Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè

15.76454566 MX299_Switzerland_LN
18.88334981 SX18_Switzerland_LN
20.03450523 MX254_Switzerland_LN
20.78851847 MX259_Switzerland_LN
20.97265362 MX265_Switzerland_LN
21.46425633 MX277_Switzerland_LN
21.58029425 MX256_Switzerland_LN
22.19705161 SX20_Switzerland_LN
22.86660666 MX286_Switzerland_LN
23.30195485 MX283_Switzerland_LN
23.74477206 MX258_Switzerland_LN
23.82370458 SX23_Switzerland_LN
25.44426458 MX270_Switzerland_LN
26.55677503 MX304_Switzerland_LN
26.59137266 MX288_Switzerland_LN
26.78406803 SNPRA63_Switzerland_LN
26.95482888 MX257_Switzerland_LN
27.06914664 SX29_Switzerland_LN
27.17863867 MX279_Switzerland_LN
27.20136577 MX280_Switzerland_LN
28.03234204 MX298_Switzerland_LN
28.52684175 MX251_Switzerland_LN
28.70033275 SNPRA64_Switzerland_LN
29.11064067 MX275_Switzerland_LN
29.37606509 MX252_Switzerland_LN


Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 14.7397% / 14.73968050 | ADC: 1x
86.8 MX299_Switzerland_LN
13.2 MX265_Switzerland_LN

Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 10.4435% / 10.44352352 | ADC: 0.5x
56.4 MX299_Switzerland_LN
26.0 MX310_Switzerland_LN
17.6 SX33_Switzerland_LN

Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 5.6825% / 5.68248183 | ADC: 0.25x
47.2 SX33_Switzerland_LN
43.2 MX310_Switzerland_LN
9.6 MX259_Switzerland_LN

Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 5.4129% / 5.41285129
49.8 SX33_Switzerland_LN
48.4 MX310_Switzerland_LN
1.8 MX199_Switzerland_LN

torzio
23-04-20, 19:12
Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè

15.76454566 MX299_Switzerland_LN
18.88334981 SX18_Switzerland_LN
20.03450523 MX254_Switzerland_LN
20.78851847 MX259_Switzerland_LN
20.97265362 MX265_Switzerland_LN
21.46425633 MX277_Switzerland_LN
21.58029425 MX256_Switzerland_LN
22.19705161 SX20_Switzerland_LN
22.86660666 MX286_Switzerland_LN
23.30195485 MX283_Switzerland_LN
23.74477206 MX258_Switzerland_LN
23.82370458 SX23_Switzerland_LN
25.44426458 MX270_Switzerland_LN
26.55677503 MX304_Switzerland_LN
26.59137266 MX288_Switzerland_LN
26.78406803 SNPRA63_Switzerland_LN
26.95482888 MX257_Switzerland_LN
27.06914664 SX29_Switzerland_LN
27.17863867 MX279_Switzerland_LN
27.20136577 MX280_Switzerland_LN
28.03234204 MX298_Switzerland_LN
28.52684175 MX251_Switzerland_LN
28.70033275 SNPRA64_Switzerland_LN
29.11064067 MX275_Switzerland_LN
29.37606509 MX252_Switzerland_LN


Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 14.7397% / 14.73968050 | ADC: 1x
86.8 MX299_Switzerland_LN
13.2 MX265_Switzerland_LN

Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 10.4435% / 10.44352352 | ADC: 0.5x
56.4 MX299_Switzerland_LN
26.0 MX310_Switzerland_LN
17.6 SX33_Switzerland_LN

Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 5.6825% / 5.68248183 | ADC: 0.25x
47.2 SX33_Switzerland_LN
43.2 MX310_Switzerland_LN
9.6 MX259_Switzerland_LN

Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 5.4129% / 5.41285129
49.8 SX33_Switzerland_LN
48.4 MX310_Switzerland_LN
1.8 MX199_Switzerland_LN

your Targets are similar to mine ...............are your ancestors from the adriatic side of Italy ?

Jovialis
23-04-20, 19:13
Anyone can explain me how to compare yourself with those ancient samples, like the swiss ones?

Take your Dodecad K12b results, and separate them by commas, if you want PM them to me.

Anfänger
23-04-20, 19:16
Anyone can explain me how to compare yourself with those ancient samples, like the swiss ones?

Just copy paste the Swiss sample coordinates into source tab and your gedmatch coordinates from DodecadK12B into target tab like this example:

Name,14.6,0,1.45,

Gedorisa: 14,6
Eastasian: -
Caucasus: 1,45

Edit: I see Jovialis just answered first.

Angela
23-04-20, 19:26
@Jovialis

the difference between Angela and I is



Distance to:
MX254_Switzerland_LN


7.33645010
French


7.43584561
French


8.87658181
Italy_Aosta_Valley


11.05456015
Italy_Trentino


12.06747954
Swiss_Italian


12.08647178
Mixed_Germanic


13.33487158
Dutch


13.55036900
Kent


13.55648981
Italy_FriuliVG


14.08817944
German


14.23238560
CEU30


14.28828891
English


14.81596673
Italy_Piedmont


15.00195987
Cornwall


15.00493618
Italy_Veneto


15.23721759
British_Isles


15.59489660
British


15.96113718
Croat


16.07137448
Italy_Lombardy


16.71133148
Galicia


17.04189250
Bosnian


17.24502247
Irish


17.41834665
Argyll


17.58393585
Orcadian


17.69352424
Cataluna




Do you have his Ydna marker and mtdna



and i also have as the next difference



Distance to:
MX310_Switzerland_LN


10.56213993
Ukranians


11.02666767
Rus_Smolensk


11.16888983
Rus_Kostroma


11.82433085
Hungarians


12.94697648
Rus_Tver


13.28619584
Southwest_Rus


13.52036612
Bosnian


13.89752136
Croat


13.99387366
Mixed_Slav


14.10285432
Polish


17.03985915
Mordovians


17.09695879
Belorussian


20.11568542
Romanians


20.39948039
German


21.03739765
Rus_Pinega


21.33617117
Pomak


21.60168512
Bulgarian


22.19832877
Bulgarians


22.36958203
Tatar_Kazan


22.87010713
Macedonian


23.84304511
Lithuanian


25.09249091
Gagauz


25.77997867
Chuvash


25.93574368
Swedish


25.96865226
Turk_Romania








64.0
Ukranians






21.0
Bosnian






15.0
Bulgarian






Your closest, however, is still MX299, who is closest to Swiss ITALIANS.



Distance to:
Torziok12b


12.59470127
MX299_Switzerland_LN


13.68046052
MX254_Switzerland_LN


14.25829232
MX259_Switzerland_LN


15.12795756
MX277_Switzerland_LN


15.35924152
SX18_Switzerland_LN


15.78438786
MX286_Switzerland_LN


15.93504628
SX20_Switzerland_LN


16.32076285
MX256_Switzerland_LN


16.67200948
MX283_Switzerland_LN


16.95557725
MX265_Switzerland_LN

Angela
23-04-20, 19:44
Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè

15.76454566 MX299_Switzerland_LN
18.88334981 SX18_Switzerland_LN
20.03450523 MX254_Switzerland_LN
20.78851847 MX259_Switzerland_LN
20.97265362 MX265_Switzerland_LN
21.46425633 MX277_Switzerland_LN
21.58029425 MX256_Switzerland_LN
22.19705161 SX20_Switzerland_LN
22.86660666 MX286_Switzerland_LN
23.30195485 MX283_Switzerland_LN
23.74477206 MX258_Switzerland_LN
23.82370458 SX23_Switzerland_LN
25.44426458 MX270_Switzerland_LN
26.55677503 MX304_Switzerland_LN
26.59137266 MX288_Switzerland_LN
26.78406803 SNPRA63_Switzerland_LN
26.95482888 MX257_Switzerland_LN
27.06914664 SX29_Switzerland_LN
27.17863867 MX279_Switzerland_LN
27.20136577 MX280_Switzerland_LN
28.03234204 MX298_Switzerland_LN
28.52684175 MX251_Switzerland_LN
28.70033275 SNPRA64_Switzerland_LN
29.11064067 MX275_Switzerland_LN
29.37606509 MX252_Switzerland_LN


Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 14.7397% / 14.73968050 | ADC: 1x
86.8 MX299_Switzerland_LN
13.2 MX265_Switzerland_LN

Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 10.4435% / 10.44352352 | ADC: 0.5x
56.4 MX299_Switzerland_LN
26.0 MX310_Switzerland_LN
17.6 SX33_Switzerland_LN

Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 5.6825% / 5.68248183 | ADC: 0.25x
47.2 SX33_Switzerland_LN
43.2 MX310_Switzerland_LN
9.6 MX259_Switzerland_LN

Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 5.4129% / 5.41285129
49.8 SX33_Switzerland_LN
48.4 MX310_Switzerland_LN
1.8 MX199_Switzerland_LN

Interesting. Your first two matches are the same as mine, but you're further away.

Our first three targets are the same, but different percentages:

Mine:


Target: Angela
Distance: 5.5702% / 5.57018636



53.2
SX33_Switzerland_LN





26.0
MX310_Switzerland_LN





16.8
MX259_Switzerland_LN





4.0
SNPRA54_Switzerland_LN


Yours:
Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 5.6825% / 5.68248183 | ADC: 0.25x
47.2 SX33_Switzerland_LN
43.2 MX310_Switzerland_LN
9.6 MX259_Switzerland_LN

Somehow, it works out about the same. :)

Angela
23-04-20, 19:57
Here is the PCA with the other West Eurasian populations:

https://i.imgur.com/kqSkr4y.png

So, as I suspected, of the ones who plot north of Italy, a few are French like, most are Austrian/Southern German like, so, slightly less than half steppe admixed.

Very interesting. Thanks a lot, Jovialis.

torzio
23-04-20, 19:58
my father results



Distance to:
PonzanoK12b


11.99095075
MX299_Switzerland_LN


12.07759910
MX254_Switzerland_LN


13.96110669
MX259_Switzerland_LN


14.13974894
MX277_Switzerland_LN


14.82902896
SX20_Switzerland_LN


14.95393259
MX256_Switzerland_LN


15.19009546
MX265_Switzerland_LN


15.21205114
MX286_Switzerland_LN


15.37363002
SX18_Switzerland_LN


15.67921235
MX283_Switzerland_LN


16.02206291
SX23_Switzerland_LN


16.39046064
MX258_Switzerland_LN


17.94340547
MX270_Switzerland_LN


18.60260466
MX288_Switzerland_LN


19.17395108
MX279_Switzerland_LN


19.26081514
MX257_Switzerland_LN


19.29175731
MX280_Switzerland_LN


19.34657334
MX304_Switzerland_LN


19.63696769
SNPRA63_Switzerland_LN


20.92076719
MX251_Switzerland_LN


21.05266729
MX298_Switzerland_LN


21.17522373
SNPRA64_Switzerland_LN


21.57278378
MX252_Switzerland_LN


21.65160040
MX275_Switzerland_LN


22.80660211
MX190_Switzerland_LN




0.25




27.2
MX259_Switzerland_LN






24.0
SX33_Switzerland_LN






19.0
MX310_Switzerland_LN






14.6
MX299_Switzerland_LN






7.6
MX258_Switzerland_LN






7.6



1.0




57.8
MX299_Switzerland_LN






21.2
MX259_Switzerland_LN






11.8
MX254_Switzerland_LN






9.2
MX265_Switzerland_LN





MX265_Switzerland_LN









modern ydna T percentages in france
4% for each of these areas, Alsace, Auvegne, Provenzal
3% Lorraine ................others not sure

Palermo Trapani
23-04-20, 20:24
Lots of Blue so went with plain text for the majority of Distances. Closest is the MX299 sample, which some others get as closest distance.



Distance to:
PalermoTrapani


25.97523821
MX299_Switzerland_LN


26.58357011
SX29_Switzerland_LN


27.99681053
SX18_Switzerland_LN



Distance to: PalermoTrapani
25.97523821 MX299_Switzerland_LN
26.58357011 SX29_Switzerland_LN
27.99681053 SX18_Switzerland_LN
29.62255053 SX33_Switzerland_LN
31.14237146 SX30_Switzerland_LN
33.02608817 MX254_Switzerland_LN
33.25111727 MX259_Switzerland_LN
33.49193933 MX277_Switzerland_LN
33.51097432 MX256_Switzerland_LN
33.90358536 MX219_Switzerland_LN
33.92261488 SX21_Switzerland_LN
33.99913381 MX265_Switzerland_LN
34.17789344 SX20_Switzerland_LN
34.20447632 SNPRA42_Switzerland_LN
34.83461784 MX286_Switzerland_LN
35.00164996 SX26_Switzerland_LN
35.29853538 MX283_Switzerland_LN
35.54556934 MX258_Switzerland_LN
36.83243136 SX23_Switzerland_LN
37.05432903 SX22_Switzerland_LN
37.27014221 MX270_Switzerland_LN
37.33768338 SX11_Switzerland_LN
37.59419902 SNPRA63_Switzerland_LN
37.74839334 SNPRA62_Switzerland_LN
38.28890309 SX17_Switzerland_LN
38.49616604 SX9_Switzerland_LN
38.56552995 MX298_Switzerland_LN
38.74017037 MX204_Switzerland_LN
38.78414109 MX187_Switzerland_LN
38.91752690 MX257_Switzerland_LN
39.07906217 Aesch3_Switzerland_LN
39.13124455 MX203_Switzerland_LN
39.35531222 MX288_Switzerland_LN
39.38097129 Aesch14_Switzerland_LN
39.45354990 SNPRA57_Switzerland_LN
39.54317387 Aesch22_Switzerland_LN
39.54436749 SNPRA43_Switzerland_LN
39.62471199 Aesch16_Switzerland_LN
39.84930238 MX279_Switzerland_LN
39.92408797 MX304_Switzerland_LN
40.04324662 MX280_Switzerland_LN
40.29994789 MX251_Switzerland_LN
40.35691886 Aesch15_Switzerland_LN
40.37827510 MX275_Switzerland_LN
40.50635012 SNPRA59_Switzerland_LN
40.54562985 Aesch19_Switzerland_LN
40.75505613 SNPRA64_Switzerland_LN
40.94959096 Aesch23_Switzerland_LN
41.05452959 Aesch17_Switzerland_LN
41.24143669 Aesch1_Switzerland_LN
41.30694978 MX252_Switzerland_LN
41.65464320 SNPRA54_Switzerland_LN
41.68549868 Aesch6_Switzerland_LN
41.72440772 Aesch4_Switzerland_LN
41.83201047 Aesch9_Switzerland_LN
41.91058339 MX190_Switzerland_LN
42.07815704 Aesch18_Switzerland_LN
42.10620263 Aesch13_Switzerland_LN
42.22071411 MX212_Switzerland_LN
42.22528271 Aesch5_Switzerland_LN
42.23456286 Aesch11_Switzerland_LN
42.32430153 MX150_Switzerland_LN
42.37008969 SNPRA58_Switzerland_LN
42.43240153 SX8_Switzerland_LN
42.81079887 SX32_Switzerland_LN
42.87908465 MX211_Switzerland_LN
42.89127534 Aesch12_Switzerland_LN
42.90282042 Aesch2_Switzerland_LN
43.06481975 SNPRA61_Switzerland_LN
43.11792783 MX182_Switzerland_LN
43.16211070 MX199_Switzerland_LN
43.23977104 MX188_Switzerland_LN
43.28382030 SNPRA44_Switzerland_LN
43.80892946 Aesch10_Switzerland_LN
44.02143682 MX310_Switzerland_LN
44.15374390 MX184_Switzerland_LN
44.31590008 MX209_Switzerland_LN
44.81347007 Aesch24_Switzerland_LN
44.97530433 Aesch7_Switzerland_LN
45.21769012 Aesch8_Switzerland_LN
45.48281544 SNPRA45_Switzerland_LN
46.16526183 MX198_Switzerland_LN
46.33609716 MX192_Switzerland_LN
46.40726775 MX196_Switzerland_LN
46.55722930 MX193_Switzerland_LN
46.92691339 Aesch21_Switzerland_LN
47.18655635 Aesch20_Switzerland_LN
47.24979471 MX189_Switzerland_LN
47.50544179 MX191_Switzerland_LN
47.63644193 MX195_Switzerland_LN
47.70062683 MX213_Switzerland_LN
47.74557466 SX10_Switzerland_LN
48.31336772 MX210_Switzerland_LN
48.55060865 MX197_Switzerland_LN
55.65608682 Aesch25_Switzerland_LN



Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 24.1743% / 24.17430239 | ADC: 2x


67.4
MX299_Switzerland_LN





32.6
SX29_Switzerland_LN








Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 24.0018% / 24.00182670 | ADC: 1x


57.0
MX299_Switzerland_LN





43.0
SX29_Switzerland_LN








Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 15.8723% / 15.87226742 | ADC: 0.5x


65.0
SX33_Switzerland_LN





35.0
MX310_Switzerland_LN








Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 15.7627% / 15.76269602 | ADC: 0.25x


62.8
SX33_Switzerland_LN





37.2
MX310_Switzerland_L

halfalp
23-04-20, 21:50
So i tried a run with all outputs in default settings and i got those results.

Edit. Thanks for the help Jovialis!



Distance to:
Halfalp


4.80727574
MX259_Switzerland_LN


8.13357855
SX23_Switzerland_LN


8.40547441
MX254_Switzerland_LN


9.66446067
MX265_Switzerland_LN


11.30642738
MX286_Switzerland_LN


11.46779403
MX280_Switzerland_LN


11.71422639
MX277_Switzerland_LN


11.82873197
MX304_Switzerland_LN


12.07836496
MX288_Switzerland_LN


12.13449628
MX258_Switzerland_LN


12.54464029
MX279_Switzerland_LN


12.64113919
MX270_Switzerland_LN


12.93703212
MX257_Switzerland_LN


13.15909191
SX20_Switzerland_LN


13.19557881
MX283_Switzerland_LN


13.43546426
MX256_Switzerland_LN


13.86271618
MX190_Switzerland_LN


13.99943927
SNPRA64_Switzerland_LN


15.75844218
MX188_Switzerland_LN


15.78911017
SX32_Switzerland_LN


15.87203516
MX251_Switzerland_LN


15.93252648
MX252_Switzerland_LN


16.05621064
SNPRA63_Switzerland_LN


16.89101240
MX299_Switzerland_LN


17.23629891
MX275_Switzerland_LN

Jovialis
23-04-20, 21:56
^You're welcome!

Palermo Trapani
23-04-20, 22:10
halfalp: Good post, further corroborates Dodecad K12B does a really good job of measuring genetic distances for people from modern populations vs. ancient ancestry from the same regions. You self report Swiss ancestry and you cluster very closely with these ancient samples. Also shows Jovialis has done an excellent job with his coordinate estimates for these ancient samples.

halfalp
23-04-20, 22:16
halfalp: Good post, further corroborates Dodecad K12B does a really good job of measuring genetic distances for people from modern populations vs. ancient ancestry from the same regions. You self report Swiss ancestry and you cluster very closely with these ancient samples. Also shows Jovialis has done an excellent job with his coordinate estimates for these ancient samples.

Yes it's very interesting. I've been waiting for years for a study on switzerland ancient dna.

halfalp
23-04-20, 22:17
But can someone explain how i match that close with this individual?




6.59695384
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


20.99019771
I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi


23.02009557
I8561_Sicily_EBA_Isnello


23.67706063
I4329_Mallorca_EBA_Cova_des_Moro_Mallorca_Spain


23.95192894
I3315_Menorca_LBA_Naveta_des_Tudons_Menorca_Spain


27.17811436
I4420_all_Formentera_MBA_Formentera_Spain


27.19609347
I7800_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


28.31829267
I3124_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


29.04418875
I16163_Sardinia_IA_Anghelu_Ruju


31.95448482
I3123_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


34.19757155
I11442_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


34.81802981
I7807_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


35.72542512
I4065_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna


35.83078285
I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus


36.04548793
I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


37.33815609
I3878_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


38.00303804
I10373_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


38.01372121
I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi


38.15203009
I10365_Sardinia_BA_Seulo


38.25015556
I10372_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


39.47268803
I3125_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II


39.97789389
I4109_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II


40.79014219
I15939_Sardinia_BA_contam_Anghelu_Ruju


40.84505723
I16166_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Sa_Ucca_de_su_Tintirr iolu


41.53064411
I7774_d_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


41.78292115
I3122_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


42.18178635
I7805_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


42.93302458
I14676_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Serra_Crabiles


42.94563424
I10364_Sardinia_BA_Alghero


43.12469478
I4063_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna

Angela
23-04-20, 22:34
So i tried a run with all outputs in default settings and i got those results.

Edit. Thanks for the help Jovialis!



Distance to:
Halfalp


4.80727574
MX259_Switzerland_LN


8.13357855
SX23_Switzerland_LN


8.40547441
MX254_Switzerland_LN


9.66446067
MX265_Switzerland_LN


11.30642738
MX286_Switzerland_LN


11.46779403
MX280_Switzerland_LN


11.71422639
MX277_Switzerland_LN


11.82873197
MX304_Switzerland_LN


12.07836496
MX288_Switzerland_LN


12.13449628
MX258_Switzerland_LN


12.54464029
MX279_Switzerland_LN


12.64113919
MX270_Switzerland_LN


12.93703212
MX257_Switzerland_LN


13.15909191
SX20_Switzerland_LN


13.19557881
MX283_Switzerland_LN


13.43546426
MX256_Switzerland_LN


13.86271618
MX190_Switzerland_LN


13.99943927
SNPRA64_Switzerland_LN


15.75844218
MX188_Switzerland_LN


15.78911017
SX32_Switzerland_LN


15.87203516
MX251_Switzerland_LN


15.93252648
MX252_Switzerland_LN


16.05621064
SNPRA63_Switzerland_LN


16.89101240
MX299_Switzerland_LN


17.23629891
MX275_Switzerland_LN




You have a closer match, so more "southern" than mixed Germanics as a whole, perhaps, so, German Swiss with perhaps some French Swiss admixture?



Distance to:
MX259_Switzerland_LN


11.07642993
Mixed_Germanic


11.19961160
German


11.53935873
Croat


12.39836280
French


12.51147626
Italy_Aosta_Valley


12.54265522
Bosnian


12.67442701
French


13.16173621
Dutch


13.55712064
Italy_Trentino


13.66584428
Hungarians


14.32200810
Italy_FriuliVG


14.59410840
Kent


14.91406383
CEU30


15.10508193
English


15.29345162
Swiss_Italian


15.58592634
Macedonian


16.06895844
Italy_Veneto


16.64251483
British_Isles


16.66449219
Cornwall


16.69550599
Italy_Piedmont


17.23453800
British


17.58532627
Pomak


17.60685378
Argyll


18.28327925
Irish


18.46221276
Orcadian





Distance to:
SX23_Switzerland_LN


7.12444384
Mixed_Germanic


8.47470353
French


8.61473737
Dutch


8.64972254
German


8.90467855
French


9.97545989
Kent


10.35025120
CEU30


10.50940055
English


11.66763472
British_Isles


12.23174967
Cornwall


12.65565881
British


13.42167132
Italy_Aosta_Valley


13.58166779
Argyll


13.78326522
Croat


13.82043776
Irish


14.02211468
Orcadian


14.03337807
Orkney


14.16508736
Hungarians


15.14092467
Bosnian


15.29650418
Italy_Trentino


16.71463468
Swiss_Italian


17.05431898
Italy_FriuliVG


17.64822087
Norwegian


18.85442859
Italy_Veneto


19.06094253
Italy_Piedmont





Distance to:
MX254_Switzerland_LN


7.33645010
French


7.43584561
French


8.87658181
Italy_Aosta_Valley


11.05456015
Italy_Trentino


12.06747954
Swiss_Italian


12.08647178
Mixed_Germanic


13.33487158
Dutch


13.55036900
Kent


13.55648981
Italy_FriuliVG


14.08817944
German


14.23238560
CEU30


14.28828891
English


14.81596673
Italy_Piedmont


15.00195987
Cornwall


15.00493618
Italy_Veneto


15.23721759
British_Isles


15.59489660
British


15.96113718
Croat


16.07137448
Italy_Lombardy


16.71133148
Galicia


17.04189250
Bosnian


17.24502247
Irish


17.41834665
Argyll


17.58393585
Orcadian


17.69352424
Cataluna



That particular sample from Sicily just has more steppe admixture than the rest of them.

Stuvanè
23-04-20, 22:42
Interesting. Your first two matches are the same as mine, but you're further away.

Our first three targets are the same, but different percentages:

Mine:


Target: Angela
Distance: 5.5702% / 5.57018636


53.2
SX33_Switzerland_LN





26.0
MX310_Switzerland_LN





16.8
MX259_Switzerland_LN





4.0
SNPRA54_Switzerland_LN


Yours:
Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 5.6825% / 5.68248183 | ADC: 0.25x
47.2 SX33_Switzerland_LN
43.2 MX310_Switzerland_LN
9.6 MX259_Switzerland_LN

Somehow, it works out about the same. :)


These are the results of a friend of mine from Valcamonica, upper Lombardy, north of Brescia. He has a remarkable proximity with MX299.
I'm teasing him, telling him he's practically a living fossil :)
I have much less to do with these sample, too "Adriatic", so I suppose for a greater share of CHG or at least some component of the invaders of the metal age

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/94143807_896592227470932_2065401458559287296_n.png ?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=b96e70&_nc_ohc=MZMZOchf7DoAX--fIsd&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=561dfdcc2b64a37fb80c56308bb1b9ec&oe=5EC6708E

Stuvanè
23-04-20, 22:45
your Targets are similar to mine ...............are your ancestors from the adriatic side of Italy ?

Torzio, yes they are. I am half from Romagna (Forlì / Rimini) and half from Ferrara

Jovialis
23-04-20, 23:38
Here is the Swiss_LN + Italian Populations PCA with Fernandes et al. 2020:

https://i.imgur.com/BO4EOkE.png

torzio
23-04-20, 23:54
my father results



Distance to:
PonzanoK12b


11.99095075
MX299_Switzerland_LN


12.07759910
MX254_Switzerland_LN


13.96110669
MX259_Switzerland_LN


14.13974894
MX277_Switzerland_LN


14.82902896
SX20_Switzerland_LN


14.95393259
MX256_Switzerland_LN


15.19009546
MX265_Switzerland_LN


15.21205114
MX286_Switzerland_LN


15.37363002
SX18_Switzerland_LN


15.67921235
MX283_Switzerland_LN


16.02206291
SX23_Switzerland_LN


16.39046064
MX258_Switzerland_LN


17.94340547
MX270_Switzerland_LN


18.60260466
MX288_Switzerland_LN


19.17395108
MX279_Switzerland_LN


19.26081514
MX257_Switzerland_LN


19.29175731
MX280_Switzerland_LN


19.34657334
MX304_Switzerland_LN


19.63696769
SNPRA63_Switzerland_LN


20.92076719
MX251_Switzerland_LN


21.05266729
MX298_Switzerland_LN


21.17522373
SNPRA64_Switzerland_LN


21.57278378
MX252_Switzerland_LN


21.65160040
MX275_Switzerland_LN


22.80660211
MX190_Switzerland_LN




0.25




27.2
MX259_Switzerland_LN






24.0
SX33_Switzerland_LN






19.0
MX310_Switzerland_LN






14.6
MX299_Switzerland_LN






7.6
MX258_Switzerland_LN






7.6



1.0




57.8
MX299_Switzerland_LN






21.2
MX259_Switzerland_LN






11.8
MX254_Switzerland_LN






9.2
MX265_Switzerland_LN





MX265_Switzerland_LN








modern ydna T percentages in france
4% for each of these areas, Alsace, Auvegne, Provenzal
3% Lorraine ................others not sure


Oldest T ydna sample found in Switzerland



E4623 ......

Ulrich Blarer b about 1190 and d 1242 ......Sankt Gallen

.....Switzerland










......T-CTS933..................part of T1a2 group


https://www.geni.com/people/Ulrich-Blarer/6000000002225609784

https://gw.geneanet.org/aeswal?lang=en&pz=gitschard&nz=raron+von&p=eglof&n=blarer&oc=2

Angela
24-04-20, 00:27
Here is the Swiss_LN + Italian Populations PCA with Fernandes et al. 2020:

https://i.imgur.com/BO4EOkE.png

Wow. Lots of great stuff here, even if it's only two dimensions.

Did you see how Sicily EBA 14383 is parallel to Roman Era R85, and south of Calabrians and Sicilians? No need for it to have come from Anatolia directly. People like that were already in Sicily in the Early Bronze Age.

The Middle and Late Bronze Age samples plot further north. Did the Greek settlers in the late first millennium BC start to change them back again? Or was there the kind of resurgence we've seen before? Or is it just we don't have enough samples from the Bronze Age in Sicily or not a broad enough geographic distribution? Or maybe the southern mainland was different?

116940? Sardinia Chalcolithic, before the arrival of either settlers from the southeast or from steppe admixed peoples plots just slightly west of Central Italy.

halfalp
24-04-20, 07:51
You have a closer match, so more "southern" than mixed Germanics as a whole, perhaps, so, German Swiss with perhaps some French Swiss admixture?



Distance to:
MX259_Switzerland_LN


11.07642993
Mixed_Germanic


11.19961160
German


11.53935873
Croat


12.39836280
French


12.51147626
Italy_Aosta_Valley


12.54265522
Bosnian


12.67442701
French


13.16173621
Dutch


13.55712064
Italy_Trentino


13.66584428
Hungarians


14.32200810
Italy_FriuliVG


14.59410840
Kent


14.91406383
CEU30


15.10508193
English


15.29345162
Swiss_Italian


15.58592634
Macedonian


16.06895844
Italy_Veneto


16.64251483
British_Isles


16.66449219
Cornwall


16.69550599
Italy_Piedmont


17.23453800
British


17.58532627
Pomak


17.60685378
Argyll


18.28327925
Irish


18.46221276
Orcadian





Distance to:
SX23_Switzerland_LN


7.12444384
Mixed_Germanic


8.47470353
French


8.61473737
Dutch


8.64972254
German


8.90467855
French


9.97545989
Kent


10.35025120
CEU30


10.50940055
English


11.66763472
British_Isles


12.23174967
Cornwall


12.65565881
British


13.42167132
Italy_Aosta_Valley


13.58166779
Argyll


13.78326522
Croat


13.82043776
Irish


14.02211468
Orcadian


14.03337807
Orkney


14.16508736
Hungarians


15.14092467
Bosnian


15.29650418
Italy_Trentino


16.71463468
Swiss_Italian


17.05431898
Italy_FriuliVG


17.64822087
Norwegian


18.85442859
Italy_Veneto


19.06094253
Italy_Piedmont





Distance to:
MX254_Switzerland_LN


7.33645010
French


7.43584561
French


8.87658181
Italy_Aosta_Valley


11.05456015
Italy_Trentino


12.06747954
Swiss_Italian


12.08647178
Mixed_Germanic


13.33487158
Dutch


13.55036900
Kent


13.55648981
Italy_FriuliVG


14.08817944
German


14.23238560
CEU30


14.28828891
English


14.81596673
Italy_Piedmont


15.00195987
Cornwall


15.00493618
Italy_Veneto


15.23721759
British_Isles


15.59489660
British


15.96113718
Croat


16.07137448
Italy_Lombardy


16.71133148
Galicia


17.04189250
Bosnian


17.24502247
Irish


17.41834665
Argyll


17.58393585
Orcadian


17.69352424
Cataluna



That particular sample from Sicily just has more steppe admixture than the rest of them.


Yes, the French-German admixture makes sense in my case. But i have noticed that for most of you, you pick closer to MX299, while i pick very far from it, but close to to MX259 while in your runs, the distance between MX259 and MX299 is not that far, what can distance myself that high from those 2 individuals? Is MX299 extra shifted toward Italian admixture but not French-German admixture? What calculator or spreadsheet are you using to compare Modern as a Source and Ancient as a Target?

Edit. Never mind i found how to do it, and MX299 is clearly shifted more toward modern south populations.




Distance to:
MX299_Switzerland_LN


7.86760208
Swiss_Italian


8.32155634
Baleares


8.66289609
Italy_Aosta_Valley


8.80006372
Italy_Lombardy


9.50976971
Italy_Trentino


10.30051940
Galicia


10.42783439
Italy_Piedmont


11.21987332
Italy_Veneto


11.36515878
Italy_Liguria


12.02383882
Extremadura


12.24202561
Italy_Emilia


12.35363509
Spaniards


12.65125685
Castilla_Y_Leon


12.87222980
Murcia


12.96705055
Portuguese


13.03473437
Cataluna


13.30628859
Italy_FriuliVG


13.74800167
Italy_Tuscany


13.78275372
Andalucia


13.81295754
France_Corsica


13.92482316
Spanish


14.33911783
Cantabria


14.75452134
Valencia


15.16549702
Castilla_La_Mancha


15.80986717
Aragon

Jovialis
24-04-20, 14:14
Wow. Lots of great stuff here, even if it's only two dimensions.

Did you see how Sicily EBA 14383 is parallel to Roman Era R85, and south of Calabrians and Sicilians? No need for it to have come from Anatolia directly. People like that were already in Sicily in the Early Bronze Age.

The Middle and Late Bronze Age samples plot further north. Did the Greek settlers in the late first millennium BC start to change them back again? Or was there the kind of resurgence we've seen before? Or is it just we don't have enough samples from the Bronze Age in Sicily or not a broad enough geographic distribution? Or maybe the southern mainland was different?

116940? Sardinia Chalcolithic, before the arrival of either settlers from the southeast or from steppe admixed peoples plots just slightly west of Central Italy.

https://i.imgur.com/xXhtwrP.png

Also take a look at where the Sicily Beaker plots, which is just about as south, but further west. One of the North Italian beakers plots right in the sphere of the modern Northern Italians.

Jovialis
25-04-20, 16:49
I have combined all of the updates with the rest of the coordinates.

Download it here: http://www.mediafire.com/file/c9zxqrbx7o24s72/Dodecad_K12b_Ancient__West_Eurasia.docx/file

Duarte
25-04-20, 17:56
Thanks Jovialis.

These are the coordinates added by mlukas (France and Swiss) to default Vahaduo Dodecad K12b Ancient (Thanks mlucas):



France_BA_BIS130,12.55,1.32,0,0,39.68,36.91,0,0,0. 69,0,8.26,0.59
France_BA_BIS385,9.52,3.12,3.88,0,35.86,40.82,0,0, 0.35,0.5,5.91,0.04
France_BA_EUG11,0,0,0,0,52.94,30.66,0,0.91,6.46,0, 8.54,0.49
France_BA_NIED,4.83,0,4.74,0,49.31,24.76,0.78,0,0, 0.65,14.61,0.33
France_BA_OBE3626-1,10.61,1.66,0.02,0,40.31,46.53,0,0,0,0.87,0,0
France_BA_OBE3722,11.78,0,0,0.45,31.93,46.83,0.9,0 .22,0,0,7.89,0
France_BA_PIR3037AB,0,0,0,1.68,51.3,22.91,0,2.76,3 .26,0,18.1,0
France_BA_PIR3116B,5.46,1.83,0,0,43.35,36.92,0,0,0 ,0,11.96,0.48
France_BA_PSS4170,2.38,0,0,0.14,49.64,35.11,1.21,0 .5,1.48,0,9.12,0.41
France_BA_QUIN234,0,0,0,0,56.74,28.91,0.93,0,2.37, 0,10.89,0.16
France_BA_QUIN58,5.24,0.47,5.23,0.85,48.57,28.4,0. 93,0,8.66,0,1.66,0
France_BA_RIX15,6.19,0,0,0,41.63,38.23,2.68,0,0,0, 10.94,0.32
France_BA_RIX2,0.79,0,1.93,0,42.83,34.5,2.37,0.2,1 .2,0,16.18,0
France_BA_RIX4,9.11,0,1.21,0,40.83,42.26,0.43,1.25 ,1.53,0,3.2,0.18
France_IA_ATT26,8.03,0,0,0,38.27,41.78,1.62,0,0,0, 8.39,1.91
France_IA_BES1248,7.47,0.41,0,0,38.78,48.44,0,0,0, 0.87,3.9,0.13
France_IA_BFM265,8.47,0,0,0,46.94,33.73,1.07,0,2.9 2,0,6.55,0.31
France_IA_COL11,5.44,0,0,0,39.43,43.4,3.64,0,0,0,7 .21,0.87
France_IA_COL153A,5.24,0,0,0,31.38,39.94,0,0,4.37, 0,19.07,0
France_IA_COL153i,0,2.46,0,1.26,36.79,36.9,0,1.4,1 .84,1.45,17.9,0
France_IA_ERS1164,10.29,0.38,1.46,1.07,36.78,37.73 ,0,0,0,0,12.1,0.19
France_IA_ERS86,6.75,0,0,0,38.28,36.57,0,1.16,7.72 ,0,9.51,0
France_IA_ERS88,2.63,0,0,0,39.51,27.62,0.37,0,6.2, 0,23.67,0
France_IA_Jeb8,3.73,0,0,0,43.53,37,3.59,0.44,2.74, 0,8.7,0.27
France_IA_NOR2B6,5.4,0.59,2.84,0.19,36.97,33.37,0, 0.59,5.34,0,14.71,0
France_IA_NOR3-15,5.34,0.01,4.35,0.8,35.87,30.28,0,0,7.23,0,16.12 ,0
France_IA_NOR3-6,6.77,0,6.29,0.46,38.53,40.47,1.07,0,0.25,0,6.16, 0
France_IA_NOR4,0,0,1.9,0,46.92,30.78,2.37,0,3.11,1 .08,13.84,0
France_IA_PECH5,0.57,0,0,1.84,56.86,29.5,0,0,7.87, 2.27,1.09,0
France_IA_PEY53,11.04,0,0,0,44.3,35.83,0.2,0,3.09, 1.68,2.59,1.28
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch1,0,0,5.14,0,66.22,8.07,0.89,0, 7.22,0.32,12.13,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch10,0,0,2.92,0,66.07,9.04,0,0,11 .08,0,10.89,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch11_rel17,0,0,2.19,0,66.81,8.62, 0,0.02,9.75,0.3,11.93,0.39
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch12_rel3_19_24,0,0,6.41,0,67.23, 6.95,0,0,8,0,10.95,0.46
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch13,0,0,1.31,0,66.01,12.48,0,0.3 5,7.46,0,12.25,0.13
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch14_rel15,0,0,4.49,0,66.12,7.45, 0,0,7.76,0.11,14.07,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch15,0,0.26,6.67,0,63.08,7.62,0,0 ,6.95,0,15.41,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch16,0,0,3.66,3.33,63.69,6.8,0.12 ,0,7.69,0,14.17,0.55
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch17,0,0,2.64,0.43,66.6,8.81,0,0, 8.94,0,11.87,0.7
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch18,0,0.31,3.35,0.85,64.84,8.74, 0,0,7.76,0,13.66,0.49
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch19,0,0,4.35,0,65.71,10.06,0,0,5 .9,0,13.97,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch2,0,0,7.95,0.42,68.2,6.18,0,0,4 .74,0.75,11.76,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch20,0,0.79,4.08,0,70.8,10.17,0,0 ,6.42,0.31,7.27,0.18
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch21,0,0,3.8,0,69.35,7.71,0,0,9.2 5,0,9.9,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch22,0,0,6.67,0,63.65,10.84,0,0,7 .3,0,11.22,0.33
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch23,0,0,5.6,0,66.13,9.57,0,0,7.0 6,0,11.25,0.39
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch24,0,0,3.11,0,71.44,6.72,0,0,6. 29,0.71,11.73,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_steppe_Aesch25,20.57,1.42,0.13,0,22. 92,54.23,0,0,0,0,0,0.73
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch3_rel12_19,0,0,6.49,0,61.66,10. 93,0,0,6.83,0,14.09,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch4,0,0,4.47,0,66.1,12.45,0,0,5.1 3,0.58,10.92,0.36
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch5,0,0,6.13,0.04,65.62,9.08,0,0, 8.23,0,10.77,0.15
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch6,0,0.29,0,0,64.03,15.85,0,0.28 ,9.18,0.08,10.28,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch7,0,0,4.6,0.62,65.07,15.65,0,0, 5.23,0.4,8.4,0.02
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch8,0,0,3.89,0.65,71.47,7.15,0,0, 4.55,0,12.28,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch9,0,0,3.79,0.42,66.39,10.14,0,0 ,7.29,0,11.88,0.1
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX150,0,0,3.23,0.38,66.5,12.36,0,0,1 0.41,0,7.13,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX182,0,0,3.59,0,67.52,9.54,0,0,5.08 ,1.17,12.53,0.57
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX183,0,0,3.98,0,65.64,8.33,0.29,0,8 .16,0,12.98,0.61
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX184,0,0,4.79,0.17,66.6,11.51,0,0,6 .36,0.1,10.16,0.31
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX187_rel_MX150_MX212,0,0,3.98,0.28, 64.82,9.85,0,0,7.43,0.36,13.04,0.23
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX188_rel190,10.84,1.47,0.5 1,0,32.55,45.66,0.23,0,0,0,6.96,1.77
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX189,12.04,0.17,0,0.21,31. 67,48.64,2.46,0,0,0,3.34,1.46
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX190,11.86,0.31,0,0,30.33, 45.77,0.87,0,0,0,9.38,1.47
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX191,14.15,0,0,0,31.46,47. 76,1.35,0.6,0,1.4,2.37,0.91
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX192_rel195_rel197,12.56,2 .49,0,0.1,36.67,45.01,0,0,0,0,1.75,1.43
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX193,0,0,6.35,0,69.01,10.8 2,0,0,4.04,0.48,8.8,0.49
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX194,17.96,0.89,2.11,0,26. 68,44.14,0,0.24,0,2.32,5.36,0.3
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX195_rel192_197,13.46,1.36 ,0,0.13,34.41,47.79,1.26,0,0,0,0.81,0.77
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX196,15.81,1.31,0,0,23.83, 50.18,0.33,0,0,0,7.29,1.26
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX197,17.11,1.45,0,0.7,32.2 2,46.88,0,0.39,0,0,0.41,0.85
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX198,13.68,1.02,0.26,0.02, 26.12,50.5,0,0.78,0,0.83,6.17,0.61
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX199,12.97,1.55,0,0.29,25. 36,47.42,0,1,0,0,10.52,0.89
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX203,0,0,0.67,1.66,64.93,3.85,0,0,9 .4,0,19.48,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX204,0,0,2.95,0,65.46,7.86,0.38,0.2 5,6.36,0,16.71,0.04
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX209_relMX219,0,0,3.31,0,67.46,7.77 ,0,0,13.1,0,8.36,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX210,0,0,2.29,0,70.09,14.51,0,0,6.3 8,0,6.72,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX211,0,0.73,4.47,0.05,67.54,7.8,0,0 .27,5.7,0,13.43,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX212,0,0,5.39,0,66.45,11.69,0,0.14, 6.65,0,9.69,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX213,0,0,4.83,0.07,70.62,10.52,0,0, 6.73,0,6.48,0.74
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX219,0,0,9.06,0,60.24,13.28,0,0,6.4 9,0,10.93,0
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX251,9.18,0,4.39,0,37.39,41 .05,0,0,4.6,0,2.75,0.65
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX252,10.03,0,3.7,0,41.47,39 .83,1.24,0,0.77,0,2.56,0.39
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX254_relMX286,4.21,1.64,0.8 7,0,39.21,35.58,0,0,4.32,0,14.07,0.11
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX256,0,0,0,3.91,44.9,33.87, 2.28,0,0,2.58,12.46,0
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX257,10.19,0.64,4.42,0,38.4 ,38.33,1.01,0,0.29,0,6.17,0.56
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX258,10.11,1.01,2.46,0,34.2 7,38.93,0.09,0,2.67,0,9.78,0.68
Swiss__DEU_Anselfingen_FN_MX259,7.5,0,0,0,32.66,39 .39,0,1.43,0.4,0,17.96,0.66
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EIA_MX265,0,0,1.08,0.09,31.43,43 .8,1.06,0.52,4.09,0,17.45,0.49
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX270_relMX275,10.1,1.08,0,0 ,39.93,38.2,0,1.24,2.12,0,7.33,0
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX275_relMX286,11.54,2.12,4. 26,0,40.78,35.62,0,0,1.73,0,3.86,0.11
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX277,5.76,0,4.28,0.49,43.18 ,32.5,0,1.93,1.81,0,10.05,0
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX279,7.68,0,0,0,37.79,42.14 ,2.97,0,0.45,0,7.85,1.11
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX280,8.18,1.45,0.42,0.9,38. 26,43.28,0,0.92,0.89,0,4.67,1.02
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX283_relMX286,5.25,0.2,0,0. 01,44.54,36.06,0,0,3.06,0,9.52,1.36
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX286,8.75,0,0,1.66,42.8,34. 14,0.47,0,2.3,0,9.03,0.86
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX288,6.1,1.57,0,0,43.23,39. 94,0,0,1.58,0.4,6.89,0.29
Swiss__CHE_FN_contaminated_MX298,14.39,0,0,0,39.46 ,30.55,0,0,2.98,0,12.63,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX299,0,0,6.72,0.43,66.47,3.55,2.13, 0,7.62,0,13.08,0
Swiss__CHE_FN_steppe_MX304,0,2.12,0,0,39.27,43.02, 0,0,0,2.22,13.37,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_o_lc_RA42,1.55,0,2.83,0.57,49.49,24. 26,1.06,0,4.7,0,14.6,0.95
Swiss__CHE_LN_RA43,0,0,3.29,2.13,58.49,11.16,0,0,1 2.38,0,12.56,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_RA44,0,1.54,5.79,0,63.38,9.95,0,0,7. 8,2.66,6.89,2
Swiss__CHE_LN_RA45,0,0.12,5.32,0.66,65.26,12.84,0, 0,4.86,0,10.49,0.45
Swiss__CHE_LN_RA54,0,0,2.77,0,68.09,5.94,0,0,0,0.5 1,21.82,0.87
Swiss__CHE_LN_RA57,0,0,5.94,0,61.64,11.7,0,0,9.22, 0,11.01,0.49
Swiss__CHE_LN_RA58,0,0.2,5.38,0.01,65.62,10.62,0,0 ,4.36,0,13.8,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_RA59,0,0.67,5.33,0.69,62.65,17.61,0, 0,5.03,0,7.47,0.56
Swiss__CHE_LN_RA61,0,0,3.67,0,66.94,11.95,0,0,5.61 ,0.3,10.78,0.74
Swiss__CHE_LN_RA62,0,0,3.29,1.05,62.13,14.4,0,0,6. 78,0,12.21,0.14
Swiss__CHE_EBA_RA63,14.41,0,2.47,1.94,44.59,31.39, 0,0,0.83,0,3.8,0.56
Swiss__CHE_EBA_RA64,11.84,1.01,0,0,36.62,42.5,1.7, 0,0.78,0.16,4.19,1.2
Swiss__CHE_LN_SX10,0,0,0.44,1.87,71.06,7.85,0,0,8. 65,0.09,9.82,0.21
Swiss__CHE_MN_SX11,0,0,5.75,0.59,60.13,14.3,0,0,7. 67,0,11.55,0
Swiss__CHE_FN_SX17,0,0,2.74,0,63,7.61,0,0,7.45,0,1 8.12,1.08
Swiss__CHE_IA_SX18,4.12,1.11,0.34,0,48.2,25.04,0,0 ,2.6,0,18.45,0.15
Swiss__CHE_EBA_SX20,4.09,0,2.12,1.76,45.79,34.5,0, 0,2.39,0,9.35,0
Swiss__CHE_FN_SX21,0,0,6.79,0,60.16,7.07,0,0,7.73, 0,18.25,0
Swiss__CHE_FN_SX22,0,0,3.51,0,62.93,9.08,0,0.22,8. 8,0,15.46,0
Swiss__CHE_EBA_SX23,7.46,1.19,0,0.07,39.15,38.51,1 .81,0.87,1.01,0,9.71,0.22
Swiss__CHE_FN_SX26,0,0,2.81,0,62.99,7.23,0,0.82,7. 48,0,18.68,0
Swiss__FRA_Lingolsheim_MN_SX29,0,0,4.35,0,55.37,6. 26,0,0.37,8.47,0,25.06,0.13
Swiss__FRA_Lingolsheim_MN_SX30,0,0,3.37,0,57.33,5, 0,0,9.61,1.63,22.63,0.42
Swiss__FRA_Lingolsheim_FN_steppe_SX32,13.58,1.27,0 ,0,30.33,44.55,1.44,0,0,0,8.03,0.79
Swiss__FRA_Lingolsheim_MN_SX33,0,0,4.08,0,53.39,0, 0,0,13.17,0,29.11,0.25
Swiss__CHE_LN_SX8,0,0,5.37,1.95,65.68,10.35,0,0,5. 88,0,10.05,0.72
Swiss__CHE_MN_SX9,0,0,2.4,0,62.26,12.85,0,0,10.54, 0.19,11.62,0.14


These are my results with @Jovilais consolidated coordinates (last post > #212), plus mlukas coordinates above (my top 125 of 1078 data source):



Distance to:
Duarte


6.29661020
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892


7.04433105
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895


7.10911387
EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585


7.44879185
I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


7.65793053
I12514_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


7.71679338
EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981


7.93623966
MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649


7.98459141
R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


8.04299695
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852


8.20189003
Roman-SoldierFN_2


8.46322043
I3982_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE


8.60645107
CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40


9.03262420
I7675_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


9.06797662
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


9.06809793
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


9.11247497
R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.35114966
I2215_Malak_Preslavets


9.61505590
CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457


9.69586510
I7673_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


9.70581269
I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


9.70581269
SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515


9.71447374
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


9.81952137
France_BA_NIED


9.91529626
I3584_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


10.15667268
I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


10.25464773
Swiss__CHE_LN_o_lc_RA42


10.30660953
IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498


10.39077957
GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_I10866


10.42890694
R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella


10.50049999
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


10.65924481
CL94


10.75724872
I3574_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


10.92967978
I8343_NE_Iberia_Late_RomP


10.97051503
R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


10.99515348
I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy


11.15622248
R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


11.16013441
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647


11.16459135
CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41


11.33047219
I3579_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


11.35759217
I10897_NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE


11.48914270
Swiss__CHE_IA_SX18


11.49004787
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10851


11.61387532
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX277


11.65966552
MX299_Switzerland_LN


11.87657358
I3577_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


11.88660170
I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi


11.90604048
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


12.03036575
R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia


12.03439238
Bavaria_BB_II5524


12.04482461
SX18_Switzerland_LN


12.14150320
R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


12.16578810
VasconicTribe_I8209


12.16578810
I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1


12.17079702
R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima


12.19324813
I8561_Sicily_EBA_Isnello


12.20263086
I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge


12.25444001
France_IA_NOR3-15


12.27438389
I3582_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


12.34029578
CL23


12.49615941
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_43


12.50451119
I3575_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


12.54019936
IlergetesTribeCatalan_I3320


12.54736626
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72


12.57616794
MX277_Switzerland_LN


12.63278671
ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977


12.69163898
MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425


12.74332374
VisigothIberianGirona_I12034


12.81295828
R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


12.82182514
CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3239


12.82705344
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12644


12.83967679
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


12.87537961
I7676_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


12.92343994
LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3581


13.03669053
France_IA_NOR4


13.09574358
I3807_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


13.09893889
R851_Iron_Age_Ardea


13.10971396
I3775_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


13.12292269
I12033_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


13.16538264
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120


13.16590293
I1113_Malak_Preslavets


13.18885893
LBA_ElSotillo_Alava_I2469


13.25569312
I3583_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


13.31904651
SX20_Switzerland_LN


13.35447116
I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


13.37931613
R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica


13.42910273
LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576


13.50358471
BasqueCarolingian_I3777


13.51362276
SZ28


13.51629757
France_IA_NOR2B6


13.52795993
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


13.53086472
I6490_NE_Iberia_RomP


13.53802423
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_119


13.61640555
I2111_Trypillia


13.61755117
R116_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


13.65564352
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


13.79720262
I12164_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


13.82878158
RISE254_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years


13.88216122
I12030_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


13.92567772
I4329_Mallorca_EBA_Cova_des_Moro_Mallorca_Spain


14.14365229
I8145_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


14.18425183
France_BA_PIR3037AB


14.22937103
MX283_Switzerland_LN


14.28210769
Swiss__CHE_FN_contaminated_MX298


14.32799707
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


14.36241275
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge


14.43174626
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3758


14.49822748
IronAgeCatalan_I12640


14.49877926
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX286


14.50427178
Swiss__CHE_EBA_SX20


14.52306441
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208


14.52306441
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208


14.59378292
I7423_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


14.59466683
I3778_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


14.65102044
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


14.80031419
I3866_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


14.80951383
BronzeAgeEngland_I2462


14.82245256
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3759


14.89513008
I3776_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


14.91475109
I4420_all_Formentera_MBA_Formentera_Spain


14.97882172
R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


15.00217651
France_IA_ERS88


15.05139861
I7800_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


15.05349461
RISE349_Battonya_Voros_Oktober_Hungary_3588_years


15.07031519
R37_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


15.07242184
I3983_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE




https://i.imgur.com/EG6R5po.png

Salento
25-04-20, 19:50
Thanks @Jovialis and @Duarte :)

Comparing:

Top 10 Dod K12 (Combined, comb-23andme-v4+5, AncestryDNA, 23andme-v5, 23andme-v4, LivingDNA, NatGeo-Helix)

https://i.imgur.com/wubyBb7.gif

https://i.imgur.com/L3lq1p8.gif

torzio
25-04-20, 20:00
no change for mine



Distance to:
Torziok12b


1.89726118
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.40054542
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


4.63928874
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


4.65249395
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


4.82277928
Collegno23


4.86300319
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


5.02880702
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.21492090
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


6.00532264
Szolad28


6.60955369
Collegno49


6.88000000
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


6.93799683
Collegno94


7.28685117
R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


7.57478052
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


7.62312272
Collegno57


7.70831369
Collegno36


7.72828571
Collegno47


7.79092421
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


7.88022842
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.89459942
Bavaria_BB_II5524


7.93197958
Szolad45


8.04563857
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


8.04795626
I3866_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


8.04854024
Szolad43


8.12515231
Szolad27









77.0
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna






9.2
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120






7.2
I5402_Iron_Gates_HG






5.8
Szolad27






0.8
Collegno49





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R55 sample ..............my first and a huge split in numbers from #2
https://i.postimg.cc/cLn1TTqP/r55-sample.png (https://postimages.org/)

Jovialis
25-04-20, 20:28
The calculator is now known as "Dodecad K12b Ancient West Eurasia" on Admixture studio:

https://i.imgur.com/wh8EbFi.png

halfalp
25-04-20, 21:52
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Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX279


11.86336377
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX270_relMX275


11.86879943
France_BA_BIS130


12.00805147
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX286


12.21057329
Swiss__CHE_FN_contaminated_MX298


12.32872256
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX277


12.48802627
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX283_relMX286


12.70323581
France_IA_Jeb8





12.75863237
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX257


13.06638052
France_IA_COL11


13.22243548
France_BA_BIS385


13.27801943
France_IA_NOR3-6


13.55285210
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX288


13.84513633
Swiss__CHE_EBA_SX20


13.85563423
France_IA_ERS88


13.86446537
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX256


14.07152799
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX190


14.70058162
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX188_rel190


14.71341905
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX280


14.94688262
Swiss__FRA_Lingolsheim_FN_steppe_SX32


15.03531842
France_BA_OBE3722


15.39002924
France_IA_NOR4


15.40254524
Swiss__CHE_EBA_RA64


15.99976250
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX275_relMX286


16.28378949
France_BA_RIX4


16.38419055
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX251


16.41837081
France_IA_BFM265


16.83585757
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX252


17.09890932
France_BA_PSS4170


17.43265901
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX199


17.90385713
Swiss__CHE_IA_SX18


18.02259693
France_IA_BES1248


18.15940252
France_IA_PEY53


18.86007688
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX192_rel195_rel197




Interesting enough, i'm very close to ancient Bell Beakers from Switzerland or Germany, but not too much to Swiss Corded peoples.

Salento
25-04-20, 22:21
... nice, Eupedia Team :)

Dodecad K12b Ancient West Eurasia
... by coincidence the top 3 are consecutive samples, what are the chances of that? :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/TBjXTQ6.gif

https://i.imgur.com/7lJNwXR.gif

Angela
25-04-20, 22:59
Thanks Jovialis.

These are the coordinates added by mlukas (France and Swiss) to default Vahaduo Dodecad K12b Ancient (Thanks mlucas):



France_BA_BIS130,12.55,1.32,0,0,39.68,36.91,0,0,0. 69,0,8.26,0.59
France_BA_BIS385,9.52,3.12,3.88,0,35.86,40.82,0,0, 0.35,0.5,5.91,0.04
France_BA_EUG11,0,0,0,0,52.94,30.66,0,0.91,6.46,0, 8.54,0.49
France_BA_NIED,4.83,0,4.74,0,49.31,24.76,0.78,0,0, 0.65,14.61,0.33
France_BA_OBE3626-1,10.61,1.66,0.02,0,40.31,46.53,0,0,0,0.87,0,0
France_BA_OBE3722,11.78,0,0,0.45,31.93,46.83,0.9,0 .22,0,0,7.89,0
France_BA_PIR3037AB,0,0,0,1.68,51.3,22.91,0,2.76,3 .26,0,18.1,0
France_BA_PIR3116B,5.46,1.83,0,0,43.35,36.92,0,0,0 ,0,11.96,0.48
France_BA_PSS4170,2.38,0,0,0.14,49.64,35.11,1.21,0 .5,1.48,0,9.12,0.41
France_BA_QUIN234,0,0,0,0,56.74,28.91,0.93,0,2.37, 0,10.89,0.16
France_BA_QUIN58,5.24,0.47,5.23,0.85,48.57,28.4,0. 93,0,8.66,0,1.66,0
France_BA_RIX15,6.19,0,0,0,41.63,38.23,2.68,0,0,0, 10.94,0.32
France_BA_RIX2,0.79,0,1.93,0,42.83,34.5,2.37,0.2,1 .2,0,16.18,0
France_BA_RIX4,9.11,0,1.21,0,40.83,42.26,0.43,1.25 ,1.53,0,3.2,0.18
France_IA_ATT26,8.03,0,0,0,38.27,41.78,1.62,0,0,0, 8.39,1.91
France_IA_BES1248,7.47,0.41,0,0,38.78,48.44,0,0,0, 0.87,3.9,0.13
France_IA_BFM265,8.47,0,0,0,46.94,33.73,1.07,0,2.9 2,0,6.55,0.31
France_IA_COL11,5.44,0,0,0,39.43,43.4,3.64,0,0,0,7 .21,0.87
France_IA_COL153A,5.24,0,0,0,31.38,39.94,0,0,4.37, 0,19.07,0
France_IA_COL153i,0,2.46,0,1.26,36.79,36.9,0,1.4,1 .84,1.45,17.9,0
France_IA_ERS1164,10.29,0.38,1.46,1.07,36.78,37.73 ,0,0,0,0,12.1,0.19
France_IA_ERS86,6.75,0,0,0,38.28,36.57,0,1.16,7.72 ,0,9.51,0
France_IA_ERS88,2.63,0,0,0,39.51,27.62,0.37,0,6.2, 0,23.67,0
France_IA_Jeb8,3.73,0,0,0,43.53,37,3.59,0.44,2.74, 0,8.7,0.27
France_IA_NOR2B6,5.4,0.59,2.84,0.19,36.97,33.37,0, 0.59,5.34,0,14.71,0
France_IA_NOR3-15,5.34,0.01,4.35,0.8,35.87,30.28,0,0,7.23,0,16.12 ,0
France_IA_NOR3-6,6.77,0,6.29,0.46,38.53,40.47,1.07,0,0.25,0,6.16, 0
France_IA_NOR4,0,0,1.9,0,46.92,30.78,2.37,0,3.11,1 .08,13.84,0
France_IA_PECH5,0.57,0,0,1.84,56.86,29.5,0,0,7.87, 2.27,1.09,0
France_IA_PEY53,11.04,0,0,0,44.3,35.83,0.2,0,3.09, 1.68,2.59,1.28
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch1,0,0,5.14,0,66.22,8.07,0.89,0, 7.22,0.32,12.13,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch10,0,0,2.92,0,66.07,9.04,0,0,11 .08,0,10.89,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch11_rel17,0,0,2.19,0,66.81,8.62, 0,0.02,9.75,0.3,11.93,0.39
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch12_rel3_19_24,0,0,6.41,0,67.23, 6.95,0,0,8,0,10.95,0.46
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch13,0,0,1.31,0,66.01,12.48,0,0.3 5,7.46,0,12.25,0.13
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch14_rel15,0,0,4.49,0,66.12,7.45, 0,0,7.76,0.11,14.07,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch15,0,0.26,6.67,0,63.08,7.62,0,0 ,6.95,0,15.41,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch16,0,0,3.66,3.33,63.69,6.8,0.12 ,0,7.69,0,14.17,0.55
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch17,0,0,2.64,0.43,66.6,8.81,0,0, 8.94,0,11.87,0.7
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch18,0,0.31,3.35,0.85,64.84,8.74, 0,0,7.76,0,13.66,0.49
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch19,0,0,4.35,0,65.71,10.06,0,0,5 .9,0,13.97,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch2,0,0,7.95,0.42,68.2,6.18,0,0,4 .74,0.75,11.76,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch20,0,0.79,4.08,0,70.8,10.17,0,0 ,6.42,0.31,7.27,0.18
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch21,0,0,3.8,0,69.35,7.71,0,0,9.2 5,0,9.9,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch22,0,0,6.67,0,63.65,10.84,0,0,7 .3,0,11.22,0.33
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch23,0,0,5.6,0,66.13,9.57,0,0,7.0 6,0,11.25,0.39
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch24,0,0,3.11,0,71.44,6.72,0,0,6. 29,0.71,11.73,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_steppe_Aesch25,20.57,1.42,0.13,0,22. 92,54.23,0,0,0,0,0,0.73
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch3_rel12_19,0,0,6.49,0,61.66,10. 93,0,0,6.83,0,14.09,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch4,0,0,4.47,0,66.1,12.45,0,0,5.1 3,0.58,10.92,0.36
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch5,0,0,6.13,0.04,65.62,9.08,0,0, 8.23,0,10.77,0.15
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch6,0,0.29,0,0,64.03,15.85,0,0.28 ,9.18,0.08,10.28,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch7,0,0,4.6,0.62,65.07,15.65,0,0, 5.23,0.4,8.4,0.02
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch8,0,0,3.89,0.65,71.47,7.15,0,0, 4.55,0,12.28,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_Aesch9,0,0,3.79,0.42,66.39,10.14,0,0 ,7.29,0,11.88,0.1
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX150,0,0,3.23,0.38,66.5,12.36,0,0,1 0.41,0,7.13,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX182,0,0,3.59,0,67.52,9.54,0,0,5.08 ,1.17,12.53,0.57
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX183,0,0,3.98,0,65.64,8.33,0.29,0,8 .16,0,12.98,0.61
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX184,0,0,4.79,0.17,66.6,11.51,0,0,6 .36,0.1,10.16,0.31
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX187_rel_MX150_MX212,0,0,3.98,0.28, 64.82,9.85,0,0,7.43,0.36,13.04,0.23
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX188_rel190,10.84,1.47,0.5 1,0,32.55,45.66,0.23,0,0,0,6.96,1.77
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX189,12.04,0.17,0,0.21,31. 67,48.64,2.46,0,0,0,3.34,1.46
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX190,11.86,0.31,0,0,30.33, 45.77,0.87,0,0,0,9.38,1.47
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX191,14.15,0,0,0,31.46,47. 76,1.35,0.6,0,1.4,2.37,0.91
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX192_rel195_rel197,12.56,2 .49,0,0.1,36.67,45.01,0,0,0,0,1.75,1.43
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX193,0,0,6.35,0,69.01,10.8 2,0,0,4.04,0.48,8.8,0.49
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX194,17.96,0.89,2.11,0,26. 68,44.14,0,0.24,0,2.32,5.36,0.3
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX195_rel192_197,13.46,1.36 ,0,0.13,34.41,47.79,1.26,0,0,0,0.81,0.77
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX196,15.81,1.31,0,0,23.83, 50.18,0.33,0,0,0,7.29,1.26
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX197,17.11,1.45,0,0.7,32.2 2,46.88,0,0.39,0,0,0.41,0.85
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX198,13.68,1.02,0.26,0.02, 26.12,50.5,0,0.78,0,0.83,6.17,0.61
Swiss__Corded_Ware_CHE_MX199,12.97,1.55,0,0.29,25. 36,47.42,0,1,0,0,10.52,0.89
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX203,0,0,0.67,1.66,64.93,3.85,0,0,9 .4,0,19.48,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX204,0,0,2.95,0,65.46,7.86,0.38,0.2 5,6.36,0,16.71,0.04
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX209_relMX219,0,0,3.31,0,67.46,7.77 ,0,0,13.1,0,8.36,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX210,0,0,2.29,0,70.09,14.51,0,0,6.3 8,0,6.72,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX211,0,0.73,4.47,0.05,67.54,7.8,0,0 .27,5.7,0,13.43,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX212,0,0,5.39,0,66.45,11.69,0,0.14, 6.65,0,9.69,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX213,0,0,4.83,0.07,70.62,10.52,0,0, 6.73,0,6.48,0.74
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX219,0,0,9.06,0,60.24,13.28,0,0,6.4 9,0,10.93,0
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX251,9.18,0,4.39,0,37.39,41 .05,0,0,4.6,0,2.75,0.65
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX252,10.03,0,3.7,0,41.47,39 .83,1.24,0,0.77,0,2.56,0.39
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX254_relMX286,4.21,1.64,0.8 7,0,39.21,35.58,0,0,4.32,0,14.07,0.11
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX256,0,0,0,3.91,44.9,33.87, 2.28,0,0,2.58,12.46,0
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX257,10.19,0.64,4.42,0,38.4 ,38.33,1.01,0,0.29,0,6.17,0.56
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX258,10.11,1.01,2.46,0,34.2 7,38.93,0.09,0,2.67,0,9.78,0.68
Swiss__DEU_Anselfingen_FN_MX259,7.5,0,0,0,32.66,39 .39,0,1.43,0.4,0,17.96,0.66
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EIA_MX265,0,0,1.08,0.09,31.43,43 .8,1.06,0.52,4.09,0,17.45,0.49
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX270_relMX275,10.1,1.08,0,0 ,39.93,38.2,0,1.24,2.12,0,7.33,0
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX275_relMX286,11.54,2.12,4. 26,0,40.78,35.62,0,0,1.73,0,3.86,0.11
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX277,5.76,0,4.28,0.49,43.18 ,32.5,0,1.93,1.81,0,10.05,0
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX279,7.68,0,0,0,37.79,42.14 ,2.97,0,0.45,0,7.85,1.11
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX280,8.18,1.45,0.42,0.9,38. 26,43.28,0,0.92,0.89,0,4.67,1.02
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX283_relMX286,5.25,0.2,0,0. 01,44.54,36.06,0,0,3.06,0,9.52,1.36
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX286,8.75,0,0,1.66,42.8,34. 14,0.47,0,2.3,0,9.03,0.86
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX288,6.1,1.57,0,0,43.23,39. 94,0,0,1.58,0.4,6.89,0.29
Swiss__CHE_FN_contaminated_MX298,14.39,0,0,0,39.46 ,30.55,0,0,2.98,0,12.63,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_MX299,0,0,6.72,0.43,66.47,3.55,2.13, 0,7.62,0,13.08,0
Swiss__CHE_FN_steppe_MX304,0,2.12,0,0,39.27,43.02, 0,0,0,2.22,13.37,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_o_lc_RA42,1.55,0,2.83,0.57,49.49,24. 26,1.06,0,4.7,0,14.6,0.95
Swiss__CHE_LN_RA43,0,0,3.29,2.13,58.49,11.16,0,0,1 2.38,0,12.56,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_RA44,0,1.54,5.79,0,63.38,9.95,0,0,7. 8,2.66,6.89,2
Swiss__CHE_LN_RA45,0,0.12,5.32,0.66,65.26,12.84,0, 0,4.86,0,10.49,0.45
Swiss__CHE_LN_RA54,0,0,2.77,0,68.09,5.94,0,0,0,0.5 1,21.82,0.87
Swiss__CHE_LN_RA57,0,0,5.94,0,61.64,11.7,0,0,9.22, 0,11.01,0.49
Swiss__CHE_LN_RA58,0,0.2,5.38,0.01,65.62,10.62,0,0 ,4.36,0,13.8,0
Swiss__CHE_LN_RA59,0,0.67,5.33,0.69,62.65,17.61,0, 0,5.03,0,7.47,0.56
Swiss__CHE_LN_RA61,0,0,3.67,0,66.94,11.95,0,0,5.61 ,0.3,10.78,0.74
Swiss__CHE_LN_RA62,0,0,3.29,1.05,62.13,14.4,0,0,6. 78,0,12.21,0.14
Swiss__CHE_EBA_RA63,14.41,0,2.47,1.94,44.59,31.39, 0,0,0.83,0,3.8,0.56
Swiss__CHE_EBA_RA64,11.84,1.01,0,0,36.62,42.5,1.7, 0,0.78,0.16,4.19,1.2
Swiss__CHE_LN_SX10,0,0,0.44,1.87,71.06,7.85,0,0,8. 65,0.09,9.82,0.21
Swiss__CHE_MN_SX11,0,0,5.75,0.59,60.13,14.3,0,0,7. 67,0,11.55,0
Swiss__CHE_FN_SX17,0,0,2.74,0,63,7.61,0,0,7.45,0,1 8.12,1.08
Swiss__CHE_IA_SX18,4.12,1.11,0.34,0,48.2,25.04,0,0 ,2.6,0,18.45,0.15
Swiss__CHE_EBA_SX20,4.09,0,2.12,1.76,45.79,34.5,0, 0,2.39,0,9.35,0
Swiss__CHE_FN_SX21,0,0,6.79,0,60.16,7.07,0,0,7.73, 0,18.25,0
Swiss__CHE_FN_SX22,0,0,3.51,0,62.93,9.08,0,0.22,8. 8,0,15.46,0
Swiss__CHE_EBA_SX23,7.46,1.19,0,0.07,39.15,38.51,1 .81,0.87,1.01,0,9.71,0.22
Swiss__CHE_FN_SX26,0,0,2.81,0,62.99,7.23,0,0.82,7. 48,0,18.68,0
Swiss__FRA_Lingolsheim_MN_SX29,0,0,4.35,0,55.37,6. 26,0,0.37,8.47,0,25.06,0.13
Swiss__FRA_Lingolsheim_MN_SX30,0,0,3.37,0,57.33,5, 0,0,9.61,1.63,22.63,0.42
Swiss__FRA_Lingolsheim_FN_steppe_SX32,13.58,1.27,0 ,0,30.33,44.55,1.44,0,0,0,8.03,0.79
Swiss__FRA_Lingolsheim_MN_SX33,0,0,4.08,0,53.39,0, 0,0,13.17,0,29.11,0.25
Swiss__CHE_LN_SX8,0,0,5.37,1.95,65.68,10.35,0,0,5. 88,0,10.05,0.72
Swiss__CHE_MN_SX9,0,0,2.4,0,62.26,12.85,0,0,10.54, 0.19,11.62,0.14


These are my results with @Jovilais consolidated coordinates (last post > #212), plus mlukas coordinates above (my top 125 of 1078 data source):



Distance to:
Duarte


6.29661020
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892


7.04433105
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895


7.10911387
EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585


7.44879185
I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


7.65793053
I12514_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


7.71679338
EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981


7.93623966
MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649


7.98459141
R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


8.04299695
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852


8.20189003
Roman-SoldierFN_2


8.46322043
I3982_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE


8.60645107
CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40


9.03262420
I7675_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


9.06797662
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


9.06809793
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


9.11247497
R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.35114966
I2215_Malak_Preslavets


9.61505590
CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457


9.69586510
I7673_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


9.70581269
I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


9.70581269
SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515


9.71447374
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


9.81952137
France_BA_NIED


9.91529626
I3584_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


10.15667268
I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


10.25464773
Swiss__CHE_LN_o_lc_RA42


10.30660953
IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498


10.39077957
GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_I10866


10.42890694
R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella


10.50049999
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


10.65924481
CL94


10.75724872
I3574_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


10.92967978
I8343_NE_Iberia_Late_RomP


10.97051503
R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


10.99515348
I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy


11.15622248
R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


11.16013441
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647


11.16459135
CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41


11.33047219
I3579_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


11.35759217
I10897_NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE


11.48914270
Swiss__CHE_IA_SX18


11.49004787
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10851


11.61387532
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX277


11.65966552
MX299_Switzerland_LN


11.87657358
I3577_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


11.88660170
I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi


11.90604048
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


12.03036575
R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia


12.03439238
Bavaria_BB_II5524


12.04482461
SX18_Switzerland_LN


12.14150320
R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


12.16578810
VasconicTribe_I8209


12.16578810
I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1


12.17079702
R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima


12.19324813
I8561_Sicily_EBA_Isnello


12.20263086
I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge


12.25444001
France_IA_NOR3-15


12.27438389
I3582_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


12.34029578
CL23


12.49615941
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_43


12.50451119
I3575_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


12.54019936
IlergetesTribeCatalan_I3320


12.54736626
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72


12.57616794
MX277_Switzerland_LN


12.63278671
ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977


12.69163898
MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425


12.74332374
VisigothIberianGirona_I12034


12.81295828
R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


12.82182514
CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3239


12.82705344
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12644


12.83967679
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


12.87537961
I7676_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


12.92343994
LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3581


13.03669053
France_IA_NOR4


13.09574358
I3807_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


13.09893889
R851_Iron_Age_Ardea


13.10971396
I3775_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


13.12292269
I12033_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


13.16538264
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120


13.16590293
I1113_Malak_Preslavets


13.18885893
LBA_ElSotillo_Alava_I2469


13.25569312
I3583_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


13.31904651
SX20_Switzerland_LN


13.35447116
I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


13.37931613
R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica


13.42910273
LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576


13.50358471
BasqueCarolingian_I3777


13.51362276
SZ28


13.51629757
France_IA_NOR2B6


13.52795993
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


13.53086472
I6490_NE_Iberia_RomP


13.53802423
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_119


13.61640555
I2111_Trypillia


13.61755117
R116_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


13.65564352
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


13.79720262
I12164_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


13.82878158
RISE254_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years


13.88216122
I12030_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


13.92567772
I4329_Mallorca_EBA_Cova_des_Moro_Mallorca_Spain


14.14365229
I8145_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


14.18425183
France_BA_PIR3037AB


14.22937103
MX283_Switzerland_LN


14.28210769
Swiss__CHE_FN_contaminated_MX298


14.32799707
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


14.36241275
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge


14.43174626
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3758


14.49822748
IronAgeCatalan_I12640


14.49877926
Swiss__DEU_Singen_EBA_MX286


14.50427178
Swiss__CHE_EBA_SX20


14.52306441
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208


14.52306441
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208


14.59378292
I7423_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


14.59466683
I3778_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


14.65102044
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


14.80031419
I3866_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


14.80951383
BronzeAgeEngland_I2462


14.82245256
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3759


14.89513008
I3776_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


14.91475109
I4420_all_Formentera_MBA_Formentera_Spain


14.97882172
R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


15.00217651
France_IA_ERS88


15.05139861
I7800_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


15.05349461
RISE349_Battonya_Voros_Oktober_Hungary_3588_years


15.07031519
R37_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


15.07242184
I3983_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE



https://i.imgur.com/EG6R5po.png

I think we can safely say you're Iberian. :)

torzio
25-04-20, 23:00
@jovialis

any way to get numbers on this person .................he has my ydna branch

https://gw.geneanet.org/aeswal?lang=en&pz=gitschard&nz=raron+von&p=ulrich&n=blarer

(https://gw.geneanet.org/aeswal?lang=en&pz=gitschard&nz=raron+von&p=ulrich&n=blarer)

As I also have a genetic match with Escher
https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-40001-1318166295/ulrich-blarer-in-familysearch-family-tree

awaiting reply from one of my "3rd-4th" cousins in myheritage
(https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-40001-1318166295/ulrich-blarer-in-familysearch-family-tree)Mara von Escher (https://www.myheritage.com/dna/matches/128426801?p=3#)
Age: 30's
From: Switzerlandhttps://d.mhcache.com/FP/Assets/Images/Flags/CH.png
DNA managed by Dani von Escher (https://www.myheritage.com/dna/matches/128426801?p=3#)



(https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-40001-1318166295/ulrich-blarer-in-familysearch-family-tree)

Jovialis
25-04-20, 23:09
@jovialis

any way to get numbers on this person .................he has my ydna branch

https://gw.geneanet.org/aeswal?lang=en&pz=gitschard&nz=raron+von&p=ulrich&n=blarer

(https://gw.geneanet.org/aeswal?lang=en&pz=gitschard&nz=raron+von&p=ulrich&n=blarer)

As I also have a genetic match with Escher
https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-40001-1318166295/ulrich-blarer-in-familysearch-family-tree

I would need to have his autosomal DNA, via a raw data file.

torzio
25-04-20, 23:10
I would need to have his autosomal DNA, via a raw data file.

OK....see post 220 again I sent a letter to Dani ......we wait


all I have is his snp


E4623

kit#



T-CTS933






L446+, L206+, CTS6071+, CTS933+, M184+, M70+, Y6055+, M70+, L131+, L131+, L206+, L446+, L490+, L906-, Y9221-, Y9326-, YP5441-, Z19963-, Z20015-, Z709-, L454-, L162-, L162-, FGC47830-, L1254-, L1255-, Y6409-, Y6410-, Y6671-, Y7381-, Y7389-, Y7393-, Y7430-, Y7438-, Y7468-, Y7794-, Y8614-, Y8694-, Y8849-, Y8852-, Y8853-, Y9102-, Y9104-, Y14629-, Y15122-, Y15127-, Y15128-, Y15129-, Y15130-, Y15648-, Y15709-, Y15711-, Y16021-, Y16136-, Y16240-, Y16241-, Y16244-, Y16247-, Y16279-, Y16897-, Y17493-, Y18003-, Y18004-, Y18472-, Y18956-, Y19159-, Y19161-, Y19167-, Y19196-, Y19367-, Y19370-, Y19372-, Y19381-, Y19767-, Y20698-, Y21004-, Y21012-, Y21017-, Y21204-, Y21205-, Y21221-, Y22256-, Y22257-, Y22258-, Y22559-, Y23280-, Y23343-, Y3781-, Y3782-, Y3789-, Y3824-, Y3836-, Y4119-, Y4981-, Y5674-, Y5685-, P317-, P321-, P322-, P327-, P328-, PAGES00002-, PF7443-, PF7444-, PF7445-, PF7455-, PF7469-, PF7473-, PH1097-, PH110-, PH114-, SK1474-, SK1478-, Y10898-, Y11077-, Y11151-, Y11596-, Y11675-, Y12641-, Y12643-, Y12871-, Y13243-, Y13263-, Y13279-, Y13384-, Y13698-, Y14121-, CTS9882-, FGC29142-, FGC40371-, FGC41138-, FGC46969-, FGC46972-, FGC47100-, CTS6174-, CTS6250-, CTS6280-, CTS6507-, CTS6901-, CTS8489-, CTS8512-, CTS8603-, CTS8862-, L208-, M320-, P77-, P327-, CTS11984-, CTS2214-, CTS3767-, CTS4319-, CTS4647-, L447-, BY11516-, BY11517-, BY11518-, BY11519-, BY11520-, BY11521*, FGC47123*, FGC4692*, Y14426*, PH141*, Y9109*

Angela
25-04-20, 23:15
No change, except French Iron Age samples start to show up at a distance of 9. Amazing to me that I'm so close to Vucedol EN and Balkan Bronze Age.



Distance to:
Angela


5.96067110
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


5.96285167
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


6.06036303
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


6.16793320
R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


6.20598904
R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


6.36315173
Szolad43


6.86379633
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


6.88215809
R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


6.99657773
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge


7.16551464
I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy


7.41494437
I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge


7.68900514
Collegno36


8.12881295
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197


8.38781259
Szolad28


8.75370207
Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.85352472
Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.99296392
Szolad31


9.00708055
Collegno23


9.01179227
R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.05183407
ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192


9.10498215
R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima


9.23041169
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


9.25520934
R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


9.31019871
ScythianMoldova_SCY300


9.40529638
R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio


9.46954592
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


9.61917356
R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia


9.64873049
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


9.67363944
France_IA_ERS88


9.80181106
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


9.85873217
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


10.05061192
I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge


10.14013314
Szolad36


10.29759195
R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


10.39810079
I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


10.76144972
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


10.77930888
I0706_Balkans_Neolithic


10.89582948
R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica


10.91793937
R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia





Target: Angela
Distance: 1.9313% / 1.93127499 | ADC: 0.5x




40.4
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge





18.4
R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria





17.4
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete





8.8
R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria





6.6
I0706_Balkans_Neolithic





4.8
I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge





3.6
R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima









Target: Angela
Distance: 0.9525% / 0.95245399 | ADC: 0.25x




30.8
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge





21.2
R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria





14.2
R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis





10.4
I3151_Trypillia





8.4
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete





6.0
R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima





5.0
I0706_Balkans_Neolithic





2.2
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical





1.8
I1295_Malak_Preslavets

Palermo Trapani
26-04-20, 02:35
Thanks to Jovialis (post 212) and Mlukas (213) for the coordinates. My top 180 (distances < 21) since Bronze Age Sicily Bell Beaker was within that range. Interestingly, a little closer to the Northern Italian Bell Beaker than Sicilian Bell Beaker, but I think both of those are predominate EEF ancestry, is that correct? The Bell Beaker civilization is documented to be 2800-1800 BC which predates the Greek migration into Sicily and Southern Italy, which occurred in the 1st millennium BC so as I think Angela alluded to before, significant EEF ancestry in all of mainland Italy and Sicily before Greek migrations. For me, the only newcomer relative to the Swiss and French ancient samples is France_IA_ERS88 (distance 20.38). R52 and R56 for Dodecad 12B stay as top 2 and Iron Age Roman R437 is still an Iron Age Roman < 5 and several Imperial Romans are < 5 as well.



Distance to:
PalermoTrapani


2.59038607
R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


2.76190152
R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


3.27177322
R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


3.34701359
R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio


3.84983117
R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


4.10471680
R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


4.16370028
R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.18976133
R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata


4.32090268
R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


4.40341913
SZ40


4.54783465
R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


4.57668002
R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


4.82952379
R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.83867751
R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.03103369
R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


5.08341421
CL121


5.10995108
R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.30245226
R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


5.32897739
R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.43089311
R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


5.46635162
R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.50746766
R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


5.68175149
R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


5.70777540
R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


5.90403252
R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


6.04601522
R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


6.21821518
R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.46672251
R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese


6.74800711
R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina


6.76732591
R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.77646663
R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.20115963
R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


7.28579440
R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


7.55757898
CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53


7.62057741
R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


8.11539894
R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


8.21912404
R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


8.36581735
R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


8.41816488
I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi


8.85745449
R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


9.01662354
R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.08190509
CL25


9.08267582
R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio


9.08880080
R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


9.26807963
R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


9.27144541
CL110


9.42151262
R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce


9.64176851
scy192_Scythian


9.64398258
SZ19


9.79056178
I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE


9.83474962
scy300_Scythian


9.94731119
R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.97097789
R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo


10.00080497
R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


10.29666451
SZ36


10.36353704
R45_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


11.38594748
SZ31


11.49942172
R133_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


11.55112549
I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese


11.56716473
R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS


11.63612049
R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo


11.71591652
CL38


11.85023628
CL30


12.16258607
SZ37


12.24358199
I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus


12.28268293
R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


12.32164762
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


12.33247745
R80_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis


12.33723227
R81_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis


12.46343452
I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese


12.75264286
R123_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce


12.77108844
R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


12.80481941
CL36


12.80763444
R1545_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese


12.84361320
I7499_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


12.87494078
R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


12.88004270
scy197_Scythian


12.99809217
I3808_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


13.23641568
R850_Iron_Age_Ardea


13.25961161
R40_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


13.33041260
R134_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


13.54778949
R1543_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese


13.59141273
ASH068_Iron_Age1


13.60991918
R66_Imperial_Era_ANAS


13.62262456
I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese


13.67620927
SZ43


13.67693314
I7500_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


13.91724470
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


13.96867209
I7424_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


14.00911489
I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2


14.24994035
R73_Imperial_Era_ANAS


14.38200612
I3980_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


14.58388837
R41_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


14.86477380
I3983_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE


15.05615821
Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge


15.21495974
I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2


15.61245336
I2495_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta


15.81303260
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


16.29658246
I12030_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


16.42560501
I3807_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


16.42978089
ANI159_ANI181_Varna


16.54641653
R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


16.60320451
SZ1


16.70511000
CL23


16.71679694
scy305_Scythian


16.83746418
I2499_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta


17.04939588
I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi


17.08555823
I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis


17.09368012
CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41


17.27937210
R130_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


17.34458129
I1706_AG98_2_Early_Bronze_Age


17.40331865
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


17.51228997
R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


17.59496235
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge


17.61388089
LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576


17.63311657
R75_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis


17.63358160
R72_Imperial_Era_ANAS


17.71219919
I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge


17.78634308
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647


17.85565737
Kumtepe004_Anatolian


17.87940435
I0679_Krepost_Neolithic


18.01735552
I1584_Barcın_Höyük_Chalcolithic


18.04210354
I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


18.20627639
Kumtepe006_Anatolian


18.25766688
I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy


18.27538508
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


18.28067559
Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge


18.28574035
I2424_Balkans_Chalcolithic


18.29629197
I2427_Balkans_Chalcolithic


18.31004369
I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete


18.31167114
MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425


18.36492853
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


18.39318352
I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


18.41013036
ASH067_Iron_Age1


18.57208389
LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3581


18.67874996
I3582_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


18.67918628
SZ35


18.70885619
I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP


18.80224189
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


18.86455406
I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


18.86455406
SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515


18.88968766
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12644


18.89246675
I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete


18.91112900
I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


18.94445565
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


19.22978939
SZ28


19.23503834
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


19.24926232
HispanoRomanMaghrebiCordobaCaliphate_I7497


19.25356850
R43_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


19.32237563
I3579_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


19.36787288
R128_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce


19.50048205
I7800_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


19.53551126
I3125_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II


19.55444962
I2430_Balkans_Chalcolithic


19.60122955
IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498


19.65921667
I1632_AR1/46_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia


19.79989646
I7807_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


19.88351076
CL31


19.93611045
CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457


19.98692823
I2683_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta


19.99103549
I2431_Balkans_Chalcolithic


20.02307669
I11442_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


20.05352338
R70_Imperial_Era_ANAS


20.11438789
I3878_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


20.19769789
I4383_Sicily_EBA_lowcov_Vallone_Inferno


20.23002224
scy311_Scythian


20.29788659
I10373_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


20.37579692
I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


20.38342219
France_IA_ERS88


20.67843563
I4109_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II


20.69572178
I12223_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi


20.69839849
I0706_Balkans_Neolithic


20.72008205
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


20.72742628
I3123_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


20.77792097
I4089_Balkans_Chalcolithic


20.83430824
I7796_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


20.87168656
ANI152_Varna


20.92535065
I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily


20.94856558
I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge


20.95969227
I3709_Peloponnese_Neolithic

Jovialis
26-04-20, 15:53
The calculator is now known as "Dodecad K12b Ancient West Eurasia" on Admixture studio:

https://i.imgur.com/wh8EbFi.png

Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com
v1.5 07/02/2020


Finished reading population data. 952 populations found.
12 components mode.


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Mixed Mode:
1 94.14% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 5.86% RISE154_Szczepankowice_Poland_3522_years @ 0.646
2 92.58% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 7.42% I0058_BZH4_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_Benzingerode-Heimburg_Germany_2283-2146_calBCE @ 0.662
3 93.36% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 6.64% I0114_ESP2_Unetice_EBA_relative_of_I0117_Espersted t_Germany_2131-1979_calBCE @ 0.673
4 94.14% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 5.86% RISE562_Landau_an_der_Isar_Germany @ 0.699
5 94.14% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 5.86% RISE150_Przeclawice_Poland_3469_years @ 0.711
6 94.14% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 5.86% I0116_ESP4_Unetice_EBA_Esperstedt_Germany_2118-1961_calBCE @ 0.740
7 92.58% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 7.42% SNPRA64_Switzerland_LN @ 0.740
8 94.14% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 5.86% IronAgeHinxton2_Anglo-Saxon_ERS389796 @ 0.740
9 94.14% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 5.86% MX195_Switzerland_LN @ 0.746
10 93.36% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 6.64% IronAgeHinxton1_Celt_ERS389795 @ 0.751


Least-squares method.


Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti @ 3.021
2 100% R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche @ 3.285
3 100% R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna @ 3.346
4 100% CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53 @ 3.417
5 100% R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia @ 3.430
6 100% R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche @ 3.707
7 100% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti @ 3.835
8 100% CL121 @ 3.856
9 100% R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna @ 4.068
10 100% R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti @ 4.190


Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53 + 50% CL121 @ 1.219
2 50% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 50% R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna @ 1.258
3 50% R78_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis + 50% R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria @ 1.312
4 50% R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 50% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti @ 1.325
5 50% R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche + 50% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti @ 1.373
6 50% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 50% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti @ 1.434
7 50% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 50% R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis @ 1.442
8 50% I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP + 50% R81_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis @ 1.449
9 50% I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge + 50% I1632_AR1/46_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia @ 1.610
10 50% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 50% R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna @ 1.783


Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 33% R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 33% I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP @ 0.991
2 33% R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo + 33% R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo + 33% CL94 @ 1.202
3 33% R850_Iron_Age_Ardea + 33% R850_Iron_Age_Ardea + 33% I12164_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL @ 1.264
4 33% CL30 + 33% CL30 + 33% RISE559_Augsburg_Germany @ 1.442
5 33% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 33% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 33% CL57 @ 1.466
6 33% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 33% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 33% R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna @ 1.478
7 33% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 33% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 33% R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti @ 1.490
8 33% CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53 + 33% CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53 + 33% CL121 @ 1.505
9 33% R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto + 33% R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto + 33% SZ27 @ 1.511
10 33% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 33% R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti + 33% R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio @ 1.518


Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 25% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 25% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 25% MX258_Switzerland_LN @ 1.070
2 25% R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis + 25% R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis + 25% R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis + 25% RISE210_Angamollan_Sweden_3105_years @ 1.179
3 25% R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro + 25% R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro + 25% R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro + 25% AlemannicBavariaBIM_33 @ 1.203
4 25% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 25% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 25% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 25% R106_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi @ 1.242
5 25% R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo + 25% R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo + 25% R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo + 25% CeltiberianMixTribeNorthernSpain_I3238 @ 1.355
6 25% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 25% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 25% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce + 25% R62_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna @ 1.397
7 25% R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 25% R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 25% R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 25% I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP @ 1.402
8 25% R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina + 25% R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina + 25% R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina + 25% R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi @ 1.402
9 25% R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 25% R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 25% R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 25% R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria @ 1.405
10 25% R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro + 25% R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro + 25% R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro + 25% R1219_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria @ 1.411

kingjohn
26-04-20, 18:58
The spread of steppe and Iranian-related ancestry in the islands of the western Mediterranean

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-020-1102-0

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/search?query=The+spread+of+steppe+and+Iranian-related+ancestry+in+the+islands+of+the+western+Med iterranean



I10364_Sardinia_BA_Alghero,0.00,0.00,5.79,0.24,64. 33,6.94,0.00,0.00,6.47,0.00,16.22,0.00
I10365_Sardinia_BA_Seulo,0.00,0.00,5.71,0.30,56.42 ,7.55,1.01,0.00,9.16,0.00,19.85,0.00
I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus,0.94,0.42,6.15,1.52,38. 84,7.43,0.00,0.00,12.67,0.00,31.00,1.03
I10371_Sicily_LBA_Marcita,0.00,0.00,7.07,0.00,48.5 9,0.00,0.00,0.00,14.15,0.00,30.20,0.00
I10372_Sicily_LBA_Marcita,0.00,0.00,2.92,0.00,50.2 5,6.43,0.00,0.00,9.53,0.00,30.75,0.12
I10373_Sicily_LBA_Marcita,0.00,0.00,2.73,0.00,47.9 9,6.22,0.00,0.00,12.46,0.88,29.57,0.14
I10502_Sardinia_BA_Anulù_Seui,0.59,0.00,0.00,0.00 ,72.27,2.04,0.00,0.00,0.00,4.67,20.43,0.00
I10552_Sardinia_BA_Perdasdefogu,0.00,0.00,3.48,0.1 7,72.12,6.36,0.00,0.00,7.01,0.00,10.86,0.00
I10553_Sardinia_BA_Perdasdefogu,0.00,0.00,3.30,0.0 0,68.13,7.19,0.00,0.00,8.46,0.00,12.92,0.00
I10554_Sardinia_BA_Perdasdefogu,0.00,0.00,4.12,0.3 1,68.87,5.38,0.00,0.00,7.21,0.00,14.03,0.07
I11442_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.00,4.78,0.0 0,48.03,9.39,0.00,0.00,10.84,0.47,26.48,0.00
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II,5.49,1.21,1.46,0.3 8,38.60,32.29,1.45,0.00,2.98,0.00,16.12,0.00
I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi,5.54, 0.00,7.01,0.00,30.98,6.58,0.00,1.79,14.89,0.00,33. 21,0.00
I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi,10.18 ,0.00,4.46,0.00,37.70,19.25,0.00,0.00,10.22,0.00,1 7.70,0.49
I12223_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi,5.67, 0.00,0.00,0.00,26.52,0.00,0.37,0.00,21.57,3.33,42. 54,0.00
I14675_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Serra_Crabiles,0.00,0 .00,5.36,0.00,68.28,6.12,0.00,0.00,7.09,0.21,12.94 ,0.00
I14676_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Serra_Crabiles,0.00,0 .24,3.54,0.00,66.24,8.99,0.00,0.17,7.19,0.00,13.63 ,0.00
I14677_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Serra_Crabiles,0.00,0 .00,5.27,0.00,67.70,0.32,0.00,0.00,8.51,0.00,18.14 ,0.07
I14678_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Serra_Crabiles,0.00,0 .00,5.42,0.00,65.33,3.69,0.00,0.00,10.05,0.10,15.4 2,0.00
I15939_Sardinia_BA_contam_Anghelu_Ruju,3.90,1.87,8 .93,0.00,58.18,4.83,0.00,0.00,5.92,0.00,15.72,0.64
I15940_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.0 0,36.31,0.00,19.57,0.00,0.00,14.31,18.39,0.00,6.03 ,5.38
I15941_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.0 0,4.21,0.00,70.81,4.26,0.00,0.00,5.21,0.04,15.38,0 .07
I15942_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.0 0,2.99,0.00,68.81,2.54,0.00,0.00,6.79,0.29,18.46,0 .12
I15943_Sardinia_Neolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,4 .74,1.78,74.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,7.78,0.00,11.15,0.00
I15944_Sardinia_Neolithic_contam_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00 ,0.00,4.41,2.35,68.78,3.47,0.00,0.00,6.44,0.00,14. 56,0.00
I15945_Sardinia_Neolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,7 .16,0.00,67.26,3.63,0.00,0.00,6.47,0.00,14.89,0.59
I15946_Sardinia_Neolithic_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,4 .06,0.00,68.31,4.12,0.00,0.00,10.81,0.62,12.07,0.0 0
I15946_Sardinia_Neolithic_contam_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00 ,0.00,1.48,2.63,58.73,2.73,0.00,0.63,6.27,0.00,27. 50,0.03
I16161_Sardinia_BA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,4.78,0.6 1,67.91,6.44,0.00,0.00,6.99,0.00,13.26,0.00
I16163_Sardinia_IA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.72,0.00,0.77,1.2 6,51.57,15.82,0.00,0.00,10.24,0.00,19.61,0.00
I16164_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Sa_Ucca_de_su_Tintirr iolu,0.00,0.00,0.53,0.00,65.94,6.69,0.00,0.00,8.46 ,0.06,18.32,0.00
I16165_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Sa_Ucca_de_su_Tintirr iolu,0.00,0.00,5.16,1.50,68.05,3.72,0.00,0.00,8.52 ,0.00,13.06,0.00
I16166_Sardinia_Chalcolithic_Sa_Ucca_de_su_Tintirr iolu,0.00,0.00,2.29,0.00,62.86,8.55,0.00,0.00,8.30 ,0.00,18.01,0.00
I16168_Sardinia_BA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,3.37,0.0 0,68.14,2.95,0.00,0.00,9.45,0.00,15.79,0.31
I16169_Sardinia_BA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,4.43,0.0 0,67.80,4.25,0.00,0.00,5.88,0.00,17.64,0.00
I16170_Sardinia_BA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,2.85,0.8 2,66.53,6.22,0.00,0.04,7.19,0.00,16.02,0.34
I16183_Sardinia_BA_Anghelu_Ruju,0.00,0.00,2.30,0.7 3,65.78,5.96,0.00,0.00,13.06,0.00,12.16,0.00
I3122_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.00,5.09,0.00 ,57.77,4.27,0.00,0.00,9.57,0.33,22.98,0.00
I3123_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.00,4.39,0.02 ,48.74,11.73,0.00,0.00,9.86,0.00,25.27,0.00
I3124_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.49,3.79,0.00 ,49.27,15.29,0.00,0.00,7.27,0.12,23.76,0.00
I3125_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.00,3.57,0.00 ,46.58,5.20,0.02,0.00,11.20,0.00,33.40,0.02
I3315_Menorca_LBA_Naveta_des_Tudons_Menorca_Spain, 3.14,0.00,3.07,0.00,54.78,26.97,0.00,0.00,2.43,0.7 4,8.56,0.30
I3642_Sardinia_BA_Alghero,0.00,0.00,5.36,0.00,68.7 6,4.57,0.00,0.00,8.72,0.00,12.59,0.00
I3741_Sardinia_BA_Perdasdefogu,0.00,0.00,3.53,0.25 ,67.43,5.84,0.00,0.00,6.25,0.00,16.61,0.09
I3743_Sardinia_BA_Seulo,0.00,0.00,4.75,0.00,67.34, 6.57,0.00,0.00,8.71,0.00,12.63,0.00
I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita,0.44,0.00,3.32,0.45,45.73 ,8.05,0.00,0.00,8.38,0.00,33.09,0.54
I3878_Sicily_LBA_Marcita,0.00,0.00,4.85,0.00,47.71 ,6.41,0.00,0.00,11.13,0.83,28.97,0.11
I4062_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna,0.00,0.00,3.28,0. 00,53.85,2.15,0.00,0.00,12.51,0.00,28.21,0.00
I4063_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna,0.00,0.00,3.71,0. 00,57.80,3.16,0.00,0.00,11.58,0.00,23.71,0.03
I4064_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna,0.00,0.00,3.45,0. 00,55.87,1.16,0.00,0.06,13.36,0.00,26.02,0.07
I4065_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna,0.00,0.00,4.61,0. 00,52.59,8.80,0.00,0.23,9.64,0.00,24.13,0.00
I4109_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II,0.00,0.00,3.84,0.00 ,47.80,4.53,0.00,0.00,12.50,0.00,31.33,0.00
I4329_Mallorca_EBA_Cova_des_Moro_Mallorca_Spain,7. 94,0.00,0.00,0.00,53.12,23.11,1.24,1.69,0.00,1.52, 10.73,0.65
I4383_Sicily_EBA_lowcov_Vallone_Inferno,0.00,0.00, 7.22,0.00,23.35,7.04,0.00,0.00,28.59,0.68,33.11,0. 00
I4420_all_Formentera_MBA_Formentera_Spain,3.80,0.0 0,5.00,1.21,55.42,21.66,1.49,0.00,2.20,0.00,8.82,0 .41
I4936_n/a,6.77,0.00,1.24,0.00,58.39,0.00,0.00,3.46,0.00,0. 00,30.15,0.00
I7774_d_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana ,0.00,0.00,0.68,0.17,54.27,4.45,0.00,0.00,14.42,0. 00,26.01,0.00
I7796_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana,0 .00,2.20,1.13,0.00,40.25,3.45,0.00,0.00,8.82,0.00, 44.16,0.00
I7800_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana,1 .14,0.00,4.99,2.71,43.75,15.60,0.00,0.00,13.10,0.0 0,18.70,0.00
I7805_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana,0 .00,3.49,5.84,0.00,53.55,3.73,0.00,0.00,16.77,0.00 ,16.63,0.00
I7807_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana,0 .00,0.00,3.85,0.00,47.37,9.30,0.00,0.00,14.36,0.00 ,25.12,0.00
I8561_Sicily_EBA_Isnello,0.58,0.25,2.77,0.00,50.01 ,21.56,1.15,0.00,6.79,0.37,16.50,0.00



thanks jovialis :good_job:

mine



Distance to:
adam


11.99859158
I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi


18.98957609
I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus


19.71100454
I4383_Sicily_EBA_lowcov_Vallone_Inferno


20.46318157
I12223_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi


21.77672152
I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi


25.03886579
I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


25.04684611
I7796_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


26.27231813
I7800_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


26.43045781
I3125_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II


27.21770380
I7807_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


27.40627848
I3878_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


27.47976528
I11442_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


27.58879301
I10373_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


27.74392186
I4109_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II


28.17842969
I3123_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


29.37907929
I3124_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


29.59400615
I10372_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


30.58515163
I10371_Sicily_LBA_Marcita


30.95118091
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


32.38579936
I4065_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna


32.55123807
I16163_Sardinia_IA_Anghelu_Ruju


33.77990823
I8561_Sicily_EBA_Isnello


34.28175608
I4062_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna


34.48345690
I7774_d_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana


36.79455259
I4064_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna

Duarte
04-05-20, 15:39
www.dnagenics.com (http://www.dnagenics.com) - Dodecad K12b Ancient West Eurasia [source data provided by Eupedia Team] - My results:

https://i.imgur.com/NpzOLX7.png
nMonte Calculator by www.dnagenics.com (http://www.dnagenics.com)
v1.1 04/02/2020


Finished reading population data. 952 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Distance: 3,05


29,40% Roman-SoldierFN_2
26,80% GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892
18,20% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981
12,80% I3574_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
07,00% I3810_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE_Afr2
03,60% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge
01,20% RISE596_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro
01,00% I4329_Mallorca_EBA_Cova_des_Moro_Mallorca_Spain

https://i.imgur.com/fsTNFk1.png

https://i.imgur.com/1j9nHs9.png

Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com (http://www.dnagenics.com)
v1.5 07/02/2020


Finished reading population data. 952 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Mixed Mode:
1 88,67% GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892 + 11,33% I3810_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE_Afr2 @ 2,288
2 59,77% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 40,23% I8210_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 2,989
3 54,30% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 45,70% Pre-RomanGirona_I3324 @ 3,079
4 62,11% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 37,89% I8341_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 3,123
5 87,89% GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892 + 12,11% I7427_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE_Afr @ 3,152
6 51,17% I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 + 48,83% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 @ 3,323
7 51,17% VasconicTribe_I8209 + 48,83% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 @ 3,323
8 50,39% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 49,61% I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 3,344
9 50,39% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 49,61% VasconicTribe_I8209 @ 3,344
10 50,39% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 49,61% Pre-RomanGirona_I3324 @ 3,359

Least-squares method.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892 @ 6,297
2 100% GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895 @ 7,044
3 100% EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585 @ 7,109
4 100% I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE @ 7,449
5 100% I12514_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE @ 7,658
6 100% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 @ 7,717
7 100% MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649 @ 7,936
8 100% R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna @ 7,985
9 100% GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852 @ 8,043
10 100% Roman-SoldierFN_2 @ 8,202

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 50% Pre-RomanGirona_I3324 @ 3,321
2 50% VasconicTribe_I8209 + 50% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 @ 3,335
3 50% I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 + 50% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 @ 3,335
4 50% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 50% Pre-RomanGirona_I3324 @ 3,357
5 50% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 50% VisigothIberianGirona_I12034 @ 3,661
6 50% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 50% VasconesTribeVasconia_I3759 @ 3,704
7 50% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 50% I8210_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 3,822
8 50% VasconicTribe_I8209 + 50% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE @ 3,863
9 50% I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 + 50% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE @ 3,863
10 50% I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy + 50% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 @ 3,874

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 33% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 33% I8341_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 3,460
2 33% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 33% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 33% RISE61_Kyndelose_Denmark_4071_years @ 3,672
3 33% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 33% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 33% I8210_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 3,673
4 33% CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41 + 33% CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41 + 33% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge @ 3,724
5 33% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 33% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 33% CL92 @ 3,744
6 33% CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457 + 33% CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457 + 33% I8210_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 3,746
7 33% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 33% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 33% BronzeAgeOuterHebrides_I2655 @ 3,819
8 33% I3982_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE + 33% I3982_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE + 33% NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_119 @ 3,841
9 33% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 33% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 33% IronAgeHinxton1_Celt_ERS389795 @ 3,857
10 33% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 33% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 33% I8202_NE_Iberia_RomP_Empuries1 @ 3,867

Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% I8206_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries1 @ 3,757
2 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% JK2065_Levänluhta_B_Isokyrö_Finland_300–800_CE @ 3,843
3 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% MX257_Switzerland_LN @ 3,892
4 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge @ 3,903
5 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% RISE98_L_Beddinge_56_Sweden_3736_years @ 3,926
6 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% I0804_EUL57_Unetice_EBA_Eulau_Germany_2131-1982_calBCE @ 3,938
7 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% NorthAlpineSouthDutch_AITI_50 @ 3,949
8 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% SZ2 @ 4,004
9 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% MX280_Switzerland_LN @ 4,009
10 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% CrusaderKnightCelto-GermanicLebanonCrusaderSI47 @ 4,028

Archetype0ne
04-05-20, 16:39
Here is mine:

https://i.imgur.com/4Ja4vot.png

Finished reading population data. 952 populations found.
12 components mode.


--------------------------------




Mixed Mode:
1 55.08% R71_Imperial_Era_ANAS + 44.92% RISE479_Erd_4_Hungary_~2000_years @ 1.730
2 76.17% I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese + 23.83% I4112_Ukraine_Neolithic @ 1.759
3 62.89% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 37.11% R43_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis @ 1.908
4 63.67% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 36.33% R78_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis @ 1.989
5 62.11% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 37.89% I1584_Barcın_Höyük_Chalcolithic @ 2.022
6 57.42% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 42.58% R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis @ 2.035
7 62.89% R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis + 37.11% I1875_WHG @ 2.154
8 62.89% R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis + 37.11% I1875_WHG @ 2.154
9 62.11% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 37.89% R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis @ 2.211
10 53.52% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 46.48% R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS @ 2.213


Least-squares method.


Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% SZ37 @ 5.067
2 100% scy305_Scythian @ 6.705
3 100% SZ1 @ 7.004
4 100% SZ31 @ 7.346
5 100% SZ36 @ 7.923
6 100% R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro @ 8.178
7 100% SZ43 @ 8.912
8 100% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge @ 9.417
9 100% R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto @ 9.490
10 100% CL36 @ 9.689


Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 50% R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS @ 2.636
2 50% R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 50% MX265_Switzerland_LN @ 2.735
3 50% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 50% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce @ 2.914
4 50% scy009_Scythian + 50% R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis @ 2.954
5 50% R850_Iron_Age_Ardea + 50% MX304_Switzerland_LN @ 2.975
6 50% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 50% R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis @ 2.998
7 50% R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 50% MX265_Switzerland_LN @ 3.217
8 50% R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 50% MX265_Switzerland_LN @ 3.320
9 50% R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 50% MX265_Switzerland_LN @ 3.369
10 50% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 50% R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto @ 3.372


Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 33% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 33% R71_Imperial_Era_ANAS @ 2.303
2 33% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 33% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 33% R78_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis @ 2.527
3 33% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 33% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 33% R43_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis @ 2.660
4 33% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 33% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 33% I2683_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta @ 2.669
5 33% RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years + 33% I0698_Balkans_Neolithic + 33% Continenza_Mesolithic_Italy @ 2.754
6 33% I0679_Krepost_Neolithic + 33% I0679_Krepost_Neolithic + 33% I2534_Romania_HG @ 2.784
7 33% RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years + 33% I0698_Balkans_Neolithic + 33% RISE207_Angamollan_Sweden_3130_years @ 2.795
8 33% I0679_Krepost_Neolithic + 33% I0679_Krepost_Neolithic + 33% I0015_Molta6_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE @ 2.797
9 33% BR2_Hungary_1180BC + 33% BR2_Hungary_1180BC + 33% R71_Imperial_Era_ANAS @ 2.803
10 33% I0679_Krepost_Neolithic + 33% I0679_Krepost_Neolithic + 33% I4437_Latvia_MN @ 2.907


Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete + 25% I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete + 25% IronAgeHinxton1_Celt_ERS389795 + 25% RISE145_Polwica_Poland_3677_years @ 2.379
2 25% SZ37 + 25% SZ37 + 25% SZ37 + 25% SZ20 @ 2.631
3 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% R78_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis @ 2.775
4 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis @ 2.836
5 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% R850_Iron_Age_Ardea @ 2.893
6 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis @ 2.928
7 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% R128_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce @ 2.930
8 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto @ 2.934
9 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% R41_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis @ 2.994
10 25% R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 25% R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 25% R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 25% RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years @ 3.011


https://i.imgur.com/aIBQhEj.png

https://i.imgur.com/98Okn7K.png
https://i.imgur.com/shJX7OY.png
https://i.imgur.com/Aq9GwAr.png

Anyone able to interpret my results is welcome to do so. Would earn my apreciation.

Does anyone happen to know where the samples SZ1, SZ31, SZ36, SZ37 come from? ... The calculator puts me close to SZ37, but on the PCA I almost overlap with SZ1.

Very interesting and worthwhile calculator... Well done Eupedia.

Duarte
04-05-20, 16:56
Here is mine:

https://i.imgur.com/4Ja4vot.png

Finished reading population data. 952 populations found.
12 components mode.


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Mixed Mode:
1 55.08% R71_Imperial_Era_ANAS + 44.92% RISE479_Erd_4_Hungary_~2000_years @ 1.730
2 76.17% I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese + 23.83% I4112_Ukraine_Neolithic @ 1.759
3 62.89% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 37.11% R43_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis @ 1.908
4 63.67% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 36.33% R78_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis @ 1.989
5 62.11% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 37.89% I1584_Barcın_Höyük_Chalcolithic @ 2.022
6 57.42% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 42.58% R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis @ 2.035
7 62.89% R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis + 37.11% I1875_WHG @ 2.154
8 62.89% R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis + 37.11% I1875_WHG @ 2.154
9 62.11% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 37.89% R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis @ 2.211
10 53.52% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 46.48% R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS @ 2.213


Least-squares method.


Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% SZ37 @ 5.067
2 100% scy305_Scythian @ 6.705
3 100% SZ1 @ 7.004
4 100% SZ31 @ 7.346
5 100% SZ36 @ 7.923
6 100% R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro @ 8.178
7 100% SZ43 @ 8.912
8 100% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge @ 9.417
9 100% R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto @ 9.490
10 100% CL36 @ 9.689


Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 50% R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS @ 2.636
2 50% R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 50% MX265_Switzerland_LN @ 2.735
3 50% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 50% R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce @ 2.914
4 50% scy009_Scythian + 50% R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis @ 2.954
5 50% R850_Iron_Age_Ardea + 50% MX304_Switzerland_LN @ 2.975
6 50% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 50% R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis @ 2.998
7 50% R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 50% MX265_Switzerland_LN @ 3.217
8 50% R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 50% MX265_Switzerland_LN @ 3.320
9 50% R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 50% MX265_Switzerland_LN @ 3.369
10 50% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 50% R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto @ 3.372


Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 33% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 33% R71_Imperial_Era_ANAS @ 2.303
2 33% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 33% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 33% R78_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis @ 2.527
3 33% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 33% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 33% R43_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis @ 2.660
4 33% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 33% MX265_Switzerland_LN + 33% I2683_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta @ 2.669
5 33% RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years + 33% I0698_Balkans_Neolithic + 33% Continenza_Mesolithic_Italy @ 2.754
6 33% I0679_Krepost_Neolithic + 33% I0679_Krepost_Neolithic + 33% I2534_Romania_HG @ 2.784
7 33% RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years + 33% I0698_Balkans_Neolithic + 33% RISE207_Angamollan_Sweden_3130_years @ 2.795
8 33% I0679_Krepost_Neolithic + 33% I0679_Krepost_Neolithic + 33% I0015_Molta6_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE @ 2.797
9 33% BR2_Hungary_1180BC + 33% BR2_Hungary_1180BC + 33% R71_Imperial_Era_ANAS @ 2.803
10 33% I0679_Krepost_Neolithic + 33% I0679_Krepost_Neolithic + 33% I4437_Latvia_MN @ 2.907


Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete + 25% I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete + 25% IronAgeHinxton1_Celt_ERS389795 + 25% RISE145_Polwica_Poland_3677_years @ 2.379
2 25% SZ37 + 25% SZ37 + 25% SZ37 + 25% SZ20 @ 2.631
3 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% R78_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis @ 2.775
4 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis @ 2.836
5 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% R850_Iron_Age_Ardea @ 2.893
6 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis @ 2.928
7 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% R128_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce @ 2.930
8 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto @ 2.934
9 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge + 25% R41_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis @ 2.994
10 25% R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 25% R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 25% R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna + 25% RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years @ 3.011


https://i.imgur.com/aIBQhEj.png

https://i.imgur.com/98Okn7K.png
https://i.imgur.com/shJX7OY.png
https://i.imgur.com/Aq9GwAr.png

Anyone able to interpret my results is welcome to do so. Would earn my apreciation.

Does anyone happen to know where the samples SZ1, SZ31, SZ36, SZ37 come from? ... The calculator puts me close to SZ37, but on the PCA I almost overlap with SZ1.

Very interesting and worthwhile calculator... Well done Eupedia.

@Archetype0ne

https://i.imgur.com/aVdGMBT.png

Archetype0ne
04-05-20, 16:58
Thank you Duarte. Your contribution is always forthcoming and welcome :).

Duarte
04-05-20, 17:02
Thank you Duarte. Your contribution is always forthcoming and welcome :).

Thanks :good_job::smile:

Angela
04-05-20, 17:22
@Archetype,

Except for SZ1, those are all local Pannonians (today's Hungary) who were buried in the same cemetery as invading Langobards, and oppressed by them. That was an area which held on to its "Romanized" identity for much longer than other areas in Central Europe, still speaking a Romance language. Whether some of these people had fled there from other parts of the "Roman" world, or that was the composition still when the Langobards arrived during the invasions is unknown. Oh, later the Byzantines recaptured it.

Unfortunately, for clarity's sake, the authors used only the 1000 genomes modern samples for comparison, so the only "Southern European" element they had was the Tuscans, TSI, from what I remember, so a bit north of Florence, supposedly.

SZ1 is actually a Bronze Age sample.

This is how they plot: you can see why SZ37 makes sense for you.
https://i.imgur.com/Kx2fi4Z.pngApologies if these were things you already knew.

Archetype0ne
04-05-20, 17:40
@Archetype,

Except for SZ1, those are all local Pannonians (today's Hungary) who were buried in the same cemetery as invading Langobards, and oppressed by them. That was an area which held on to its "Romanized" identity for much longer than other areas in Central Europe, still speaking a Romance language. Whether some of these people had fled there from other parts of the "Roman" world, or that was the composition still when the Langobards arrived during the invasions is unknown. Oh, later the Byzantines recaptured it.

Unfortunately, for clarity's sake, the authors used only the 1000 genomes modern samples for comparison, so the only "Southern European" element they had was the Tuscans, TSI, from what I remember, so a bit north of Florence, supposedly.

SZ1 is actually a Bronze Age sample.

This is how they plot: you can see why SZ37 makes sense for you.
https://i.imgur.com/Kx2fi4Z.pngApologies if these were things you already knew.

Very informative analysis Angela, thank you. Yes it does make a lot of sense, along with my affinity with SZ31, SZ36 and SZ37. Also SZ1 and SZ37 overlap in that PCA as well which now makes more sense. Since the calculator puts me closer to SZ37, yet on the PCA I overlap with SZ1.

I wonder if my results would change drastically with the inclusion of more Southern European samples in this calculator, since my pie chart makes me look more Atlantic and North European due to it missing a Southern Europe reference.

https://i.imgur.com/Aq9GwAr.png
https://i.imgur.com/4Ja4vot.png

Do you happen to know what the legend for this image means?
https://i.imgur.com/aVdGMBT.png
TSI, IBS, CEU +GBR? That seems the composition of the samples I am closest too. On FTDNA map I am a 90% South European with a 10% GB.

Angela
04-05-20, 18:18
Very informative analysis Angela, thank you. Yes it does make a lot of sense, along with my affinity with SZ31, SZ36 and SZ37. Also SZ1 and SZ37 overlap in that PCA as well which now makes more sense. Since the calculator puts me closer to SZ37, yet on the PCA I overlap with SZ1.

I wonder if my results would change drastically with the inclusion of more Southern European samples in this calculator, since my pie chart makes me look more Atlantic and North European due to it missing a Southern Europe reference.

https://i.imgur.com/Aq9GwAr.png
https://i.imgur.com/4Ja4vot.png

Do you happen to know what the legend for this image means?
https://i.imgur.com/aVdGMBT.png
TSI, IBS, CEU +GBR? That seems the composition of the samples I am closest too. On FTDNA map I am a 90% South European with a 10% GB.

You can see what the colors stand for to the right of the Collegno samples (Langobard cemetery in Piemonte, Northern Italy).

That's what's wrong with a lot of calculators: not enough Southern European samples, and for some calculators, too many Eastern European samples. That's why I was so eager for so long to have a calculator for ancient samples using Dodecad. He always was interested in capturing Southern European variation.

Duarte
04-05-20, 18:20
Very informative analysis Angela, thank you. Yes it does make a lot of sense, along with my affinity with SZ31, SZ36 and SZ37. Also SZ1 and SZ37 overlap in that PCA as well which now makes more sense. Since the calculator puts me closer to SZ37, yet on the PCA I overlap with SZ1.

I wonder if my results would change drastically with the inclusion of more Southern European samples in this calculator, since my pie chart makes me look more Atlantic and North European due to it missing a Southern Europe reference.

https://i.imgur.com/Aq9GwAr.png
https://i.imgur.com/4Ja4vot.png

Do you happen to know what the legend for this image means?
https://i.imgur.com/aVdGMBT.png
TSI, IBS, CEU +GBR? That seems the composition of the samples I am closest too. On FTDNA map I am a 90% South European with a 10% GB.

Answer**:

There are 26 different populations which are part of our study from many different locations around the globe. The following table lists these populations and indicates what data we currently have available for them.


Population Code
Population Description
Super Population Code
Sequence Data Available
Alignment Data Available
Variant Data Available


CHB
Han Chinese in Beijing, China
EAS
1
1
1


JPT
Japanese in Tokyo, Japan
EAS
1
1
1


CHS
Southern Han Chinese
EAS
1
1
1


CDX
Chinese Dai in Xishuangbanna, China
EAS
1
1
1


KHV
Kinh in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
EAS
1
1
1


CEU
Utah Residents (CEPH) with Northern and Western European Ancestry
EUR
1
1
1


TSI
Toscani in Italia
EUR
1
1
1


FIN
Finnish in Finland
EUR
1
1
1


GBR
British in England and Scotland
EUR
1
1
1


IBS
Iberian Population in Spain
EUR
1
1
1


YRI
Yoruba in Ibadan, Nigeria
AFR
1
1
1


LWK
Luhya in Webuye, Kenya
AFR
1
1
1


GWD
Gambian in Western Divisions in the Gambia
AFR
1
1
1


MSL
Mende in Sierra Leone
AFR
1
1
1


ESN
Esan in Nigeria
AFR
1
1
1


ASW
Americans of African Ancestry in SW USA
AFR
1
1
1


ACB
African Caribbeans in Barbados
AFR
1
1
1


MXL
Mexican Ancestry from Los Angeles USA
AMR
1
1
1


PUR
Puerto Ricans from Puerto Rico
AMR
1
1
1


CLM
Colombians from Medellin, Colombia
AMR
1
1
1


PEL
Peruvians from Lima, Peru
AMR
1
1
1


GIH
Gujarati Indian from Houston, Texas
SAS
1
1
1


PJL
Punjabi from Lahore, Pakistan
SAS
1
1
1


BEB
Bengali from Bangladesh
SAS
1
1
1


STU
Sri Lankan Tamil from the UK
SAS
1
1
1


ITU
Indian Telugu from the UK
SAS
1
1
1


These populations have been divided into 5 super populations


AFR, African
AMR, Ad Mixed American
EAS, East Asian
EUR, European
SAS, South Asian

When the code ALL is used this means that all individuals from that release are being considered.

**PS: These populations’ code was obtained from another study. It’s just to you know the populations codes adopted in 1000 genomes.

https://www.internationalgenome.org/category/population/

Angela
04-05-20, 18:31
I don't remember doing dna genics, but on the Dodecad K12, I'm at a distance of 6 and 7 to Szoland and Collegno 36. That's decent for such ancient samples. I ignore Armenoi Crete because Lazaridis says it wasn't an optimal sample. I just wish we had a lot of Bronze Age samples from northern Italy and Toscana.



Distance to:
Angela


5.96067110
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


5.96285167
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


6.06036303
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


6.16793320
R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


6.20598904
R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


6.36315173
Szolad43


6.86379633
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


6.88215809
R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


6.99657773
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge


7.16551464
I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy


7.41494437
I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge


7.68900514
Collegno36


8.27433985
scy197_Scythian


8.38781259
Szolad28


8.75370207
Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.83698478
scy192_Scythian


8.85352472
Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.99296392
Szolad31


9.00708055
Collegno23


9.01179227
R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.10498215
R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima


9.23041169
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


9.25520934
R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


9.40529638
R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio


9.43736722
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto



I'm much closer on mytrueancestry, but I trust them less.

1. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 3.568 - SZ43 -
Top
99 % match vs all users

2. Central Roman (630 AD) ..... 4.975 - CL36 - ?
Top
99 % match vs all users

torzio
04-05-20, 19:16
Answer**:

There are 26 different populations which are part of our study from many different locations around the globe. The following table lists these populations and indicates what data we currently have available for them.


Population Code
Population Description
Super Population Code
Sequence Data Available
Alignment Data Available
Variant Data Available


CHB
Han Chinese in Beijing, China
EAS
1
1
1


JPT
Japanese in Tokyo, Japan
EAS
1
1
1


CHS
Southern Han Chinese
EAS
1
1
1


CDX
Chinese Dai in Xishuangbanna, China
EAS
1
1
1


KHV
Kinh in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
EAS
1
1
1


CEU
Utah Residents (CEPH) with Northern and Western European Ancestry
EUR
1
1
1


TSI
Toscani in Italia
EUR
1
1
1


FIN
Finnish in Finland
EUR
1
1
1


GBR
British in England and Scotland
EUR
1
1
1


IBS
Iberian Population in Spain
EUR
1
1
1


YRI
Yoruba in Ibadan, Nigeria
AFR
1
1
1


LWK
Luhya in Webuye, Kenya
AFR
1
1
1


GWD
Gambian in Western Divisions in the Gambia
AFR
1
1
1


MSL
Mende in Sierra Leone
AFR
1
1
1


ESN
Esan in Nigeria
AFR
1
1
1


ASW
Americans of African Ancestry in SW USA
AFR
1
1
1


ACB
African Caribbeans in Barbados
AFR
1
1
1


MXL
Mexican Ancestry from Los Angeles USA
AMR
1
1
1


PUR
Puerto Ricans from Puerto Rico
AMR
1
1
1


CLM
Colombians from Medellin, Colombia
AMR
1
1
1


PEL
Peruvians from Lima, Peru
AMR
1
1
1


GIH
Gujarati Indian from Houston, Texas
SAS
1
1
1


PJL
Punjabi from Lahore, Pakistan
SAS
1
1
1


BEB
Bengali from Bangladesh
SAS
1
1
1


STU
Sri Lankan Tamil from the UK
SAS
1
1
1


ITU
Indian Telugu from the UK
SAS
1
1
1


These populations have been divided into 5 super populations


AFR, African
AMR, Ad Mixed American
EAS, East Asian
EUR, European
SAS, South Asian

When the code ALL is used this means that all individuals from that release are being considered.

**PS: These populations’ code was obtained from another study. It’s just to you know the populations codes adopted in 1000 genomes.

https://www.internationalgenome.org/category/population/



you will notice that in the lombard samples, to get german and swedish mix they have combined CEU+GBR ( the blue bars ) ............they do a lot of combinations to get results in other papers , other I know is to get balkan lands they combine TSI+IBS ..................there is no marker in-between TSI ( tuscany ) and India

other one I have seen to get alpine europe they combine CEU+TSI

Duarte
05-05-20, 14:33
www.dnagenics.com (http://www.dnagenics.com) - Dodecad K12b Ancient West Eurasia [source data provided by Eupedia Team] - My results:

https://i.imgur.com/NpzOLX7.png
nMonte Calculator by www.dnagenics.com (http://www.dnagenics.com)
v1.1 04/02/2020


Finished reading population data. 952 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Distance: 3,05


29,40% Roman-SoldierFN_2
26,80% GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892
18,20% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981
12,80% I3574_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
07,00% I3810_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE_Afr2
03,60% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge
01,20% RISE596_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro
01,00% I4329_Mallorca_EBA_Cova_des_Moro_Mallorca_Spain

https://i.imgur.com/fsTNFk1.png

https://i.imgur.com/1j9nHs9.png

Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com (http://www.dnagenics.com)
v1.5 07/02/2020


Finished reading population data. 952 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Mixed Mode:
1 88,67% GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892 + 11,33% I3810_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE_Afr2 @ 2,288
2 59,77% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 40,23% I8210_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 2,989
3 54,30% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 45,70% Pre-RomanGirona_I3324 @ 3,079
4 62,11% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 37,89% I8341_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 3,123
5 87,89% GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892 + 12,11% I7427_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE_Afr @ 3,152
6 51,17% I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 + 48,83% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 @ 3,323
7 51,17% VasconicTribe_I8209 + 48,83% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 @ 3,323
8 50,39% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 49,61% I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 3,344
9 50,39% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 49,61% VasconicTribe_I8209 @ 3,344
10 50,39% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 49,61% Pre-RomanGirona_I3324 @ 3,359

Least-squares method.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892 @ 6,297
2 100% GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895 @ 7,044
3 100% EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585 @ 7,109
4 100% I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE @ 7,449
5 100% I12514_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE @ 7,658
6 100% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 @ 7,717
7 100% MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649 @ 7,936
8 100% R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna @ 7,985
9 100% GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852 @ 8,043
10 100% Roman-SoldierFN_2 @ 8,202

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 50% Pre-RomanGirona_I3324 @ 3,321
2 50% VasconicTribe_I8209 + 50% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 @ 3,335
3 50% I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 + 50% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 @ 3,335
4 50% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 50% Pre-RomanGirona_I3324 @ 3,357
5 50% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 50% VisigothIberianGirona_I12034 @ 3,661
6 50% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 50% VasconesTribeVasconia_I3759 @ 3,704
7 50% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE + 50% I8210_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 3,822
8 50% VasconicTribe_I8209 + 50% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE @ 3,863
9 50% I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 + 50% I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE @ 3,863
10 50% I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy + 50% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 @ 3,874

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 33% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 33% I8341_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 3,460
2 33% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 33% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 33% RISE61_Kyndelose_Denmark_4071_years @ 3,672
3 33% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 33% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 33% I8210_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 3,673
4 33% CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41 + 33% CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41 + 33% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge @ 3,724
5 33% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 33% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 33% CL92 @ 3,744
6 33% CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457 + 33% CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457 + 33% I8210_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1 @ 3,746
7 33% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 33% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 33% BronzeAgeOuterHebrides_I2655 @ 3,819
8 33% I3982_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE + 33% I3982_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE + 33% NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_119 @ 3,841
9 33% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 33% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 33% IronAgeHinxton1_Celt_ERS389795 @ 3,857
10 33% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 33% MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425 + 33% I8202_NE_Iberia_RomP_Empuries1 @ 3,867

Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% I8206_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries1 @ 3,757
2 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% JK2065_Levänluhta_B_Isokyrö_Finland_300–800_CE @ 3,843
3 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% MX257_Switzerland_LN @ 3,892
4 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge @ 3,903
5 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% RISE98_L_Beddinge_56_Sweden_3736_years @ 3,926
6 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% I0804_EUL57_Unetice_EBA_Eulau_Germany_2131-1982_calBCE @ 3,938
7 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% NorthAlpineSouthDutch_AITI_50 @ 3,949
8 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE + 25% SZ2 @ 4,004
9 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% MX280_Switzerland_LN @ 4,009
10 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981 + 25% CrusaderKnightCelto-GermanicLebanonCrusaderSI47 @ 4,028

Comparison Vahaduo Dodecad K12b Ancient X dnagenics Dodecad K12b Ancient West Eurasia. Same results (1 populations approximation), observing that the nMonte dnagenics calculator provides a distance of 3.05 against a distance of 1.22 calculated in Vahaduo Dodecad K12b Ancient, both displaying 8 populations in admixture, but with some changes in samples and percentages.



Distance to:
Duarte


6.29661020
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892


7.04433105
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895


7.10911387
EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585


7.44879185
I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


7.65793053
I12514_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


7.71679338
EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981


7.93623966
MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649


7.98459141
R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


8.04299695
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852


8.20189003
Roman-SoldierFN_2


8.46322043
I3982_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE


8.60645107
CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40


9.03262420
I7675_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


9.06797662
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


9.06809793
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


9.11247497
R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.35114966
I2215_Malak_Preslavets


9.61505590
CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457


9.69586510
I7673_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


9.70581269
I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


9.70581269
SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515


9.71447374
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


9.81952137
France_BA_NIED


9.91529626
I3584_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


10.15667268
I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE



https://i.imgur.com/n66bCNd.png

Shargan
08-05-20, 11:15
This is me. I'm somewhat new to these calculators and since I can see that many users here have a much firmer grasp of this subject, I would appreciate if someone explained what this exactly indicates (I mean besides the obvious that the top result is closest to me). What does the "SINGLE" tab in the calculator do? And why is it different each time you run it?




4.23374539
I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge


4.94559400
SZ27


5.62698854
CL49


6.11537407
CL57


6.54112376
I12031_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


7.02089738
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.12174136
CL47


7.22744768
SZ18


7.23921266
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


7.29747217
SZ45


7.65648745
R108_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


7.77192383
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.83012133
I3866_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


7.93891050
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.14950305
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


8.32777281
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.92338501
CL63


9.07053471
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


9.09441037
SZ5


9.09947251
CL102


9.26008639
CL53


9.32374388
SZ6


9.48595804
I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP


9.61204453
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


9.74028234
SZ1

Angela
08-05-20, 18:35
This is me. I'm somewhat new to these calculators and since I can see that many users here have a much firmer grasp of this subject, I would appreciate if someone explained what this exactly indicates (I mean besides the obvious that the top result is closest to me). What does the "SINGLE" tab in the calculator do? And why is it different each time you run it?




4.23374539
I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge


4.94559400
SZ27


5.62698854
CL49


6.11537407
CL57


6.54112376
I12031_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


7.02089738
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.12174136
CL47


7.22744768
SZ18


7.23921266
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


7.29747217
SZ45


7.65648745
R108_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


7.77192383
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.83012133
I3866_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


7.93891050
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.14950305
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


8.32777281
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.92338501
CL63


9.07053471
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


9.09441037
SZ5


9.09947251
CL102


9.26008639
CL53


9.32374388
SZ6


9.48595804
I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP


9.61204453
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


9.74028234
SZ1




You can go upthread not too far and see that the Szolad and Collegno samples to which you're closest are not the northern European ones or the more Southern Italian ones.

Just eyeballing it, and if you were 100% of one ethnicity, I'd say Northern Italian, maybe Northeastern Italian or maybe far northern Greek?

To get a real idea of what it's telling you a little more precisely, I've found that the tedious process of finding out the closest modern population for each sample gives me the best idea.

So, for example, you first go to the Vahaduo Ancient spreadsheet for Dodecad K12b and look for each sample in the Sources tab and copy the coordinates for that sample.
http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/dodecad-k12b-ANCIENT-vahaduo.htm

You then go to the Dodecad K12b updated, which has as its Sources modern populations, and you paste those coordinates in the Target tab.
http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/dodecad-k12b-vahaduo.htm


I've done the first one for you:


Distance to:
I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge


4.71087041
Montenegrin


5.49335053
Macedonian


6.77047266
Serb


6.87094288
Italy_FriuliVG


7.54356680
R.Moldova_South


8.10062961
Pomak


9.14498223
Italy_Trentino


9.19683098
Albanian_North


9.27223584
Italy_Veneto


9.42636727
R.Moldova_Gagauz


9.68632025
Romanians


9.86257066
Gagauz


10.47836819
Albanian_Kosovo


10.53486592
R.Moldova_Centre+North


10.59325316
Swiss_Italian


10.71695386
Bosnian


10.93210273
Italy_Piedmont


10.97254301
Croat


11.01249291
Bulgarians


11.14902686
Bulgarian


11.80739203
Italy_Aosta_Valley


12.26466061
Turk_Romania


12.57357585
Italy_Lombardy


13.31387442
Italy_Liguria


13.52065457
Turk_Bulgaria



It's saying this sample is closest to Montenegrins, Macedonians, Serbs in general similarity, then to Northern Italians. That would generally make sense since Northern Italians aren't that far from northern Balkanites.

I don't know if that fits you in particular or not.

If you leave the Single tab on Default, it's going to jam in every sample no matter how small the percentage, to get you the "best" fit possible. Not only can that leave you with many source populations and a lot of confusion, but I think those are "overfit". I usually go with .25 or .50.

Shargan
08-05-20, 23:02
Thanks for that, Angela.

I suppose it makes some sense; my original top result on Dodecad K12b updated was always "Italy_FriuliVG", followed by Montenegrins, Macedonians, etc.



4.46963712
Italy_FriuliVG


5.93852675
Macedonian


5.95136119
Montenegrin


7.15351662
R.Moldova_South


7.29853400
Italy_Veneto


7.53074897
Italy_Trentino


8.35703895
Albanian_North


8.55065495
Serb


8.64901150
Pomak


8.73323995
Italy_Piedmont


8.98389670
R.Moldova_Gagauz


9.09536146
Albanian_Kosovo


9.13456417
Swiss_Italian


9.42106682
Gagauz


10.56306653
Italy_Aosta_Valley


10.59798743
Italy_Lombardy


10.81648279
Turk_Romania


11.04873748
Romanians


11.20598930
Italy_Liguria


11.35688932
Italy_Emilia


12.21582785
Italy_Tuscany


12.23865189
Bulgarian


12.36862967
Bulgarians


12.37991922
R.Moldova_Centre+North


12.58368785
Turk_Greece





And I've adjusted the Single tab to 0.25 on the Ancient calculator, and this is the result.

Target: shargan
Distance: 1.2970% / 1.29697198 | ADC: 0.25x

36.4 I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge
35.8 SZ27
14.8 scy300_Scythian
4.8 I12031_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
3.6 SZ6
1.4 R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
1.0 R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
1.0 I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
0.8 SZ20
0.4 scy305_Scythian