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Maciamo
14-03-20, 14:36
Most of us are going to be infected or already are, so why not compare our symptoms (for people like me who already caught it) and help others recognise the symptoms?

I seem to have caught the virus on my way back from Italy nearly 3 weeks ago. I was in the south of the country, where there were almost no reported cases yet. But my flight back to Belgium was scheduled at the same time as a flight to Milano, sharing the same waiting room (boarding gates next to each others). I suspect that some of the people flying back to Milano were already infected and passed it on to my wife and myself as we started developing symptoms almost exactly 2 weeks later. We share exactly the same symptoms. Since then three other people around me got the symptoms too.

- Fatigue : Most of the time I feel fine, even energetic, then suddenly I feel completely drained and need to sleep for about 2 hours (typical in the late afternoon or early evening). That doesn't prevent me from falling asleep at night, and I actually sleep more than usual during the night too. Last night I slept almost 12 hours! I don't feel bad or uncomfortable. It's good restorative sleep.

- Body aches : That's a typical flu-like symptom. In my case its a mild pain like being poked by a chopstick in places like the back of the hands and feet or on top of the head. Or the eye ache you get when you are sick, especially between the eye and the skull/eyebrow. Sometimes I also feel it at the bottom of my lungs when I breathe in bed. These aches last from 5 to 30 seconds. Nothing serious. Just a bit annoying.

- Fever : My wife and I did not have fever, but two other people did. One low fever for several days and one high fever (38.5°C) for one day only.

- Dry throat and cough : We all have it, but it's very mild.


Runny nose is one symptom that none of us got and is probably not linked to Covid-19. It's not like a cold. Actually a strong cold can be much more annoying when you have to use two boxes of Kleenex per day, even at night, have watery eyes, pain in your sinus and feel like sh*t. In our experienced, Covid-19 is milder. That includes my father, for whom I was quite concerned as he is in the riskier age range, but who seems to be fine after 5 days of symptoms.

bicicleur
14-03-20, 16:40
I got very sick for 3 days 4 weeks ago, when Corona was still in far away China.
Throat ache, fever, a little head ache. Probably a regular flew.
Like most, I don't know whether I have Corona, but probably not.

Stuvanè
14-03-20, 16:42
I also speak by mere hypothesis, having traveled by train and worked in various schools in the territories of Lodi and Bergamo, especially in the second half of January. I suspect a little, therefore, that I too have contracted the virus and - at this point - I hope I have passed the infection.


Fever: I contract it very infrequently, it is rare for me, however some fever line probably at the end of January to which I have not given much importance, but an important real fever I had during the Christmas holidays (38-39 ° for a couple of days, then dropped around 37.5 ° / 37.8 ° for less than a week around New Year's Eve). I will always have the doubt whether it was an advance of Covid-19 - perhaps already present in the area - or something else.


Fatigue and a little wheezing: yes, a couple of times in January, during two meetings with the students, as if someone was lifting the air from your chest while you talk. But I pulled straight, even here without any serious relapse. I had attributed it to the somewhat intense and stressful work period, but in hindsight the doubt remains.


Gastrointestinal disorder: yes at the end of January, with vomiting, intestinal discharge and a little dehydration (some of my friends and acquaintances in the brewery also had the same problem within 3-4 days). As always I blamed some mess by eating and drinking or some cold shot in the stomach, but nothing more ...


Admitted and not conceded that it was really Covid-19, as long as no more serious respiratory ailments intervene it is really difficult to intercept this symptom-only disease and many people like me have certainly continued in their usual activities. it's something quite chameleonic.
Of course, now you scruple and start worrying about even a single sneeze or cough

Maciamo
14-03-20, 17:11
I also speak by mere hypothesis, having traveled by train and worked in various schools in the territories of Lodi and Bergamo, especially in the second half of January. I suspect a little, therefore, that I too have contracted the virus and - at this point - I hope I have passed the infection.


Fever: I contract it very infrequently, it is rare for me, however some fever line probably at the end of January to which I have not given much importance, but an important real fever I had during the Christmas holidays (38-39 ° for a couple of days, then dropped around 37.5 ° / 37.8 ° for less than a week around New Year's Eve). I will always have the doubt whether it was an advance of Covid-19 - perhaps already present in the area - or something else.


Fatigue and a little wheezing: yes, a couple of times in January, during two meetings with the students, as if someone was lifting the air from your chest while you talk. But I pulled straight, even here without any serious relapse. I had attributed it to the somewhat intense and stressful work period, but in hindsight the doubt remains.


Gastrointestinal disorder: yes at the end of January, with vomiting, intestinal discharge and a little dehydration (some of my friends and acquaintances in the brewery also had the same problem within 3-4 days). As always I blamed some mess by eating and drinking or some cold shot in the stomach, but nothing more ...


Admitted and not conceded that it was really Covid-19, as long as no more serious respiratory ailments intervene it is really difficult to intercept this symptom-only disease and many people like me have certainly continued in their usual activities. it's something quite chameleonic.
Of course, now you scruple and start worrying about even a single sneeze or cough

In your case the symptoms do not coincide with one another. Fever in December, Fatigue twice in January, GI disorders at the end of January... So these are 3 unrelated illnesses. All of them happened before the Covid-19 officially started in Italy (first case on 31st January), so I doubt that it was it.

Maciamo
14-03-20, 18:57
I got very sick for 3 days 4 weeks ago, when Corona was still in far away China.
Throat ache, fever, a little head ache. Probably a regular flew.
Like most, I don't know whether I have Corona, but probably not.

4 weeks ago was the peak of the flu season in Belgium. As there were no cases of coronavirus in or around Belgium at the time, influenza is more likely.

By the way, have a look at the graph of "flu-like symptoms" in Belgium this year. On a typical year the number of cases always fall sharply after reaching the peak. This year instead, for the first time, cases started surging up again in mid-fall from week 10, i.e. last week when Covid-19 reached the country. This is just based on the symptoms, not on actual testing. But because the symptoms of Coronavirus are very similar to the flu, it shows that Covid-19 has already reached about 300 per 100,000 people, as the real flu should have fallen to nearly 0 by now. This could be a great way to estimate the number of Covid-19 cases in the country. In this case it would be 30,000 cases last week, when officially there were less than 100 confirmed cases! A huge difference! And that does not even include all the asymptomatic cases and people who didn't report their symptoms to their doctor!

https://epidemio.wiv-isp.be/ID/diseases/PublishingImages/ILI_weeklycurbe1.png

Angela
14-03-20, 21:39
Most of us are going to be infected or already are, so why not compare our symptoms (for people like me who already caught it) and help others recognise the symptoms?

I seem to have caught the virus on my way back from Italy nearly 3 weeks ago. I was in the south of the country, where there were almost no reported cases yet. But my flight back to Belgium was scheduled at the same time as a flight to Milano, sharing the same waiting room (boarding gates next to each others). I suspect that some of the people flying back to Milano were already infected and passed it on to my wife and myself as we started developing symptoms almost exactly 2 weeks later. We share exactly the same symptoms. Since then three other people around me got the symptoms too.

- Fatigue : Most of the time I feel fine, even energetic, then suddenly I feel completely drained and need to sleep for about 2 hours (typical in the late afternoon or early evening). That doesn't prevent me from falling asleep at night, and I actually sleep more than usual during the night too. Last night I slept almost 12 hours! I don't feel bad or uncomfortable. It's good restorative sleep.

- Body aches : That's a typical flu-like symptom. In my case its a mild pain like being poked by a chopstick in places like the back of the hands and feet or on top of the head. Or the eye ache you get when you are sick, especially between the eye and the skull/eyebrow. Sometimes I also feel it at the bottom of my lungs when I breathe in bed. These aches last from 5 to 30 seconds. Nothing serious. Just a bit annoying.

- Fever : My wife and I did not have fever, but two other people did. One low fever for several days and one high fever (38.5°C) for one day only.

- Dry throat and cough : We all have it, but it's very mild.


Runny nose is one symptom that none of us got and is probably not linked to Covid-19. It's not like a cold. Actually a strong cold can be much more annoying when you have to use two boxes of Kleenex per day, even at night, have watery eyes, pain in your sinus and feel like sh*t. In our experienced, Covid-19 is milder. That includes my father, for whom I was quite concerned as he is in the riskier age range, but who seems to be fine after 5 days of symptoms.

Sorry to hear this, Maciamo. Not great luck, given that a little over three weeks ago there were only three identified patients in Italy and all in Lombardia. Of course, it's possible it was spreading under the radar even before anyone suspected anything was going on in China, given that the first cases there date to late November.

Still, your symptoms seem mild, as I'm sure they are for relatively young and healthy people, so you'll be fine.

Angela
14-03-20, 21:44
I also speak by mere hypothesis, having traveled by train and worked in various schools in the territories of Lodi and Bergamo, especially in the second half of January. I suspect a little, therefore, that I too have contracted the virus and - at this point - I hope I have passed the infection.


Fever: I contract it very infrequently, it is rare for me, however some fever line probably at the end of January to which I have not given much importance, but an important real fever I had during the Christmas holidays (38-39 ° for a couple of days, then dropped around 37.5 ° / 37.8 ° for less than a week around New Year's Eve). I will always have the doubt whether it was an advance of Covid-19 - perhaps already present in the area - or something else.


Fatigue and a little wheezing: yes, a couple of times in January, during two meetings with the students, as if someone was lifting the air from your chest while you talk. But I pulled straight, even here without any serious relapse. I had attributed it to the somewhat intense and stressful work period, but in hindsight the doubt remains.


Gastrointestinal disorder: yes at the end of January, with vomiting, intestinal discharge and a little dehydration (some of my friends and acquaintances in the brewery also had the same problem within 3-4 days). As always I blamed some mess by eating and drinking or some cold shot in the stomach, but nothing more ...


Admitted and not conceded that it was really Covid-19, as long as no more serious respiratory ailments intervene it is really difficult to intercept this symptom-only disease and many people like me have certainly continued in their usual activities. it's something quite chameleonic.
Of course, now you scruple and start worrying about even a single sneeze or cough

I've had two and three, Stuvane, and we didn't have COVID 19 here when I came down with them. I'd be willing to bet on it. Our poor lawyer returned from the Near East after that. His poor friends, neighborhood and synagogue are reeling. Even if most people didn't get seriously ill like he did, it's no fun having the National Guard in a cordon around your neighborhood, and everything closed within it.

Maciamo
14-03-20, 22:27
Sorry to hear this, Maciamo. Not great luck, given that a little over three weeks ago there were only three identified patients in Italy and all in Lombardia. Of course, it's possible it was spreading under the radar even before anyone suspected anything was going on in China, given that the first cases there date to late November.

I came back on 24/02 so there were already 227 cases confirmed in Italy. Taking into account the 2 weeks incubation, there were already thousands of cases.

Angela
14-03-20, 23:20
I came back on 24/02 so there were already 227 cases confirmed in Italy. Taking into account the 2 weeks incubation, there were already thousands of cases.

Internet facts are sometimes wrong. I have no idea if WIKI is correct, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

The first cases of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic) in Italy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy) were confirmed on 31 January 2020, when two Chinese tourists in Rome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome) tested positive for coronavirus disease 2019 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus_disease_2019), caused by SARS-CoV-2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome_coronavirus_2).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Italy#cite_note-Corriere_20Jan-2) A week later, an Italian man repatriated back to Italy from the city of Wuhan, China, was hospitalised and confirmed to be the third case of the 2019–20 coronavirus in Italy.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Italy#cite_note-3) A cluster of cases were later detected, starting with 16 confirmed cases in Lombardy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lombardy) on 21 February.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Italy#cite_note-ThomReut_IT_16cluster_21Feb-4) An additional 60 cases and the first deaths were reported on 22 February.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Italy#cite_note-CorrieredSera_76_recent_cases-5)

There are no "known" cases stemming from the two Chinese tourists in Rome who tested positive for COVID 19 on 31 January, 2020. What I've read indicates that strain was different from the one ravaging Northern Italy.

That would make the first case of "community transmission, i.e. not people from China who fell sick" around February 7th. February 21st was when the first cluster of 60 appeared, all in Lombardia. February 22nd, the next 60.

Still, as I said, bad luck for you, which I regret. I certainly would have felt safe in the airport in Napoli at that time, given that as those people were "returning" to Milano, they would have had to contract the virus days or a week before at least.

That's how viruses work, though. One can be cautious, practice good hygiene, and yet be ambushed. The odds aren't always in our favor.

Still, I agree with you, most people will be fine.

Just take care of yourself, as I'm sure you will. Our thoughts are with you.

bicicleur
15-03-20, 10:32
4 weeks ago was the peak of the flu season in Belgium. As there were no cases of coronavirus in or around Belgium at the time, influenza is more likely.
By the way, have a look at the graph of "flu-like symptoms" in Belgium this year. On a typical year the number of cases always fall sharply after reaching the peak. This year instead, for the first time, cases started surging up again in mid-fall from week 10, i.e. last week when Covid-19 reached the country. This is just based on the symptoms, not on actual testing. But because the symptoms of Coronavirus are very similar to the flu, it shows that Covid-19 has already reached about 300 per 100,000 people, as the real flu should have fallen to nearly 0 by now. This could be a great way to estimate the number of Covid-19 cases in the country. In this case it would be 30,000 cases last week, when officially there were less than 100 confirmed cases! A huge difference! And that does not even include all the asymptomatic cases and people who didn't report their symptoms to their doctor!
https://epidemio.wiv-isp.be/ID/diseases/PublishingImages/ILI_weeklycurbe1.png

you're right
week 9 there was a school holiday
many families went skiing or for another holiday

they came back week 10
I now remember, I got sick the weekend before week 8, the week before the school holiday
I never got the flew, except this year appearantly

before week 10 the only few cases known in Belgium came from China, they were all tested upon arrival in Belgium and put in quarantaine
week 10 there were lot's of new cases tested positive, more than 90 % coming from Italy
last week, week 11 Corona started to spread inside Belgium

some claim Belgium is now lagging 10 days after Italy
could this be correct?

bicicleur
15-03-20, 10:45
4 weeks ago was the peak of the flu season in Belgium. As there were no cases of coronavirus in or around Belgium at the time, influenza is more likely.

By the way, have a look at the graph of "flu-like symptoms" in Belgium this year. On a typical year the number of cases always fall sharply after reaching the peak. This year instead, for the first time, cases started surging up again in mid-fall from week 10, i.e. last week when Covid-19 reached the country. This is just based on the symptoms, not on actual testing. But because the symptoms of Coronavirus are very similar to the flu, it shows that Covid-19 has already reached about 300 per 100,000 people, as the real flu should have fallen to nearly 0 by now. This could be a great way to estimate the number of Covid-19 cases in the country. In this case it would be 30,000 cases last week, when officially there were less than 100 confirmed cases! A huge difference! And that does not even include all the asymptomatic cases and people who didn't report their symptoms to their doctor!

https://epidemio.wiv-isp.be/ID/diseases/PublishingImages/ILI_weeklycurbe1.png

if this graph is correct, cases of the flew in Belgium should drop to the zero treshold level by now, and those with symptoms today would be cases of Corona then

bicicleur
15-03-20, 10:48
I came back on 24/02 so there were already 227 cases confirmed in Italy. Taking into account the 2 weeks incubation, there were already thousands of cases.
that would be the first day of the week 9, the week so many people were on holiday and got the virus there

Angela
15-03-20, 16:18
Is it the virus? Who knows?

Woke up sweaty, then shivering, with a sore throat and a headache, and a temperature of 99.6. Is that high enough to matter?

I'm hoping it's just seasonal.

I wouldn't go to the ER with symptoms like this, and take up their valuable resources.

If it gets worse, and I suspect it's the virus, they've set up a couple of special centers for testing. The wait is over two hours, but I'll put on my mask and gloves and go. What a good look! :)

It's like a movie, right?

If I'm ok in the end, but we're all in lockdown for a while, I'll take a page from another Tuscan and get down to that book I've never finished. No excuses then!

Dagne
25-03-20, 10:36
Most of us are going to be infected or already are, so why not compare our symptoms (for people like me who already caught it) and help others recognise the symptoms?

I seem to have caught the virus on my way back from Italy nearly 3 weeks ago. I was in the south of the country, where there were almost no reported cases yet. But my flight back to Belgium was scheduled at the same time as a flight to Milano, sharing the same waiting room (boarding gates next to each others). I suspect that some of the people flying back to Milano were already infected and passed it on to my wife and myself as we started developing symptoms almost exactly 2 weeks later. We share exactly the same symptoms. Since then three other people around me got the symptoms too.

- Fatigue : Most of the time I feel fine, even energetic, then suddenly I feel completely drained and need to sleep for about 2 hours (typical in the late afternoon or early evening). That doesn't prevent me from falling asleep at night, and I actually sleep more than usual during the night too. Last night I slept almost 12 hours! I don't feel bad or uncomfortable. It's good restorative sleep.

- Body aches : That's a typical flu-like symptom. In my case its a mild pain like being poked by a chopstick in places like the back of the hands and feet or on top of the head. Or the eye ache you get when you are sick, especially between the eye and the skull/eyebrow. Sometimes I also feel it at the bottom of my lungs when I breathe in bed. These aches last from 5 to 30 seconds. Nothing serious. Just a bit annoying.

- Fever : My wife and I did not have fever, but two other people did. One low fever for several days and one high fever (38.5°C) for one day only.

- Dry throat and cough : We all have it, but it's very mild.


Runny nose is one symptom that none of us got and is probably not linked to Covid-19. It's not like a cold. Actually a strong cold can be much more annoying when you have to use two boxes of Kleenex per day, even at night, have watery eyes, pain in your sinus and feel like sh*t. In our experienced, Covid-19 is milder. That includes my father, for whom I was quite concerned as he is in the riskier age range, but who seems to be fine after 5 days of symptoms.

How are you and you family members now, Maciamo?

Dagne
25-03-20, 11:09
I have been having some symptoms, too:

- strange headache (some 10 days ago for several days)

- diarrhea - just for several days - off and on (the very funny thing, the dog gets it too after me one day latter...)

- strange weakness in my legs (just for half a day, a week ago)

- a bit of itchy throat (for several days, some week ago)

- a bit of dry cough (I have been coughing very slightly for some 3 - 5 days)

- a strange feeling that I cannot fully inhale (it is just as of today)

In general I am very healthy and don't get any kind cold or flu, so this is strange. On the other hand, I am feeling just fine, I don't have fever and I keep on having my walks as usual for 10+ km every day. The cough is so mild and rare that it is almost nothing.

I am not sure if I have the virus, because the symptoms are so very mild, on the other hand, I make a point of not meeting my aunt or making other contacts, just in case.

Overall, Lithuania now has over 200 registered cases and 2 deaths. We are in mitigation phase, where everyone coming in the country have to be quarantined in municipal premisses and all people who want to walk outside have to treat themselves as spreaders - put on a mask (if you have one) and keep distancing.


It is possible to walk and exercise outside, but everything is closed except for groceries and pharmacies. It is very good that even the capital Vilnius is full of empty green spaces where it is pleasant to walk and people are few. Testing is available to risk groups only including anyone working in medical professions. The bad thing is that Lithuanian doctors and nurses statistically are the most vulnerable compared to any other European country (infections taking place in general practises and hospitals).

I wish there was a test which could show if I have already developed antibodies for COVID-19, or these symptoms were not related to coronavirus.

Dagne
25-03-20, 11:16
Is it the virus? Who knows?

Woke up sweaty, then shivering, with a sore throat and a headache, and a temperature of 99.6. Is that high enough to matter?

I'm hoping it's just seasonal.

I wouldn't go to the ER with symptoms like this, and take up their valuable resources.

If it gets worse, and I suspect it's the virus, they've set up a couple of special centers for testing. The wait is over two hours, but I'll put on my mask and gloves and go. What a good look! :)

It's like a movie, right?

If I'm ok in the end, but we're all in lockdown for a while, I'll take a page from another Tuscan and get down to that book I've never finished. No excuses then!

How are you now, Angela?

Maciamo
25-03-20, 15:12
How are you and you family members now, Maciamo?

We are fine now. I am just still sleeping more than usual, but that may be because I don't have to get up because of the lockdown. ;)

Like you I was feeling just fine most of the time despite the symptoms coming and going. I had the flu twice in my adult life and it was much worse. I was bedridden for several days with high fever, sweating heavily and barely ate anything. Covid-19 felt more like mild pre-flu symptoms lasting for 10 days without ever getting serious.

Angela
25-03-20, 16:02
How are you now, Angela?

Thank you for asking, Dagne. :)

I'm still running a fever of 99.8 after all these days, and still have a sore throat and headaches, and general exhaustion.

I have no idea if it's Covid 19 or some much less dangerous bug.

I've been staying home just in case; don't want to infect anyone.

The only way to know if I've had/have it, would be to get a test, and I don't meet the criteria. Nor would I use up one of the valuable test kits for these kinds of symptoms until they're available to more people.

If I get worse, there's a mobile center set up now where you can make an appointment and just drive through.

Hope I don't need to do it.

bigsnake49
25-03-20, 16:39
I have had a sore throat since Sunday but no temperature and no other symptoms so far. I try to stay home as much as possible and I just scored some gloves at Walmart. I have been using paper towels to touch surfaces such as door knobs, keypads etc.

Dagne
25-03-20, 17:26
Keep well everyone, especially you Angela!
I think being emerged in the topic is not good for anyone. Even if you think you are a very rational person and do not worry at all.

I am making a point of doing something else instead - like browsing the internet for my favourite type of yukata that I wanted to have (not that I am really having it) or something else equally as wasteful in terms of time, but not disturbing. Or create my collection of Pinterest (https://www.pinterest.com/dagneeitutyte/)

I rather follow information on crude oil prices, than on COVID statistics now and listen to in-debth stories about Russian - Saudi oil war, on youtube. Anything will do to distract yourself.

Anyway,

I think there should be easy to use blood test for coronavirus.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-immune-test-insigh/us-companies-labs-rush-to-produce-blood-test-for-coronavirus-immunity-idUSKBN21C1KK

Such blood test are being approved in China, also about one made in Senegal (costing just $1)
So I think soon anyone will be able to test themselves soon - if they have antibodies in the blood, which technically should mean that such person has immunity against COVID-19.

The not so good aspect of this coronavirus is that it may mutate soon, and people can get infected with different strains of COVID-19 and then it is not fully clear if your prior immunity to one strain of COVID-19 could protect you against another strain.

Yetos
25-03-20, 18:00
NO SMELL PRIMARY
NO TASTE SECONDARY

THESE ARE EARLY ENOUGH SYMPTOMS,
it is observed in half cases in Greece,
and officially in Greece is considered as possible indicator, BEFORE FEVER AND COUGH.

bigsnake49
31-03-20, 15:12
So far so good. Still have the slightly irritated throat but have not lost my sense of smell or taste at all. Came back from the grocery store this morning and our condo smelled like we have been cooking. Need to air it a bit.

Angela
02-05-20, 22:30
I think I mentioned before that the husbands of two of my son's co-workers were both seriously ill from CoV-2.

They've both died. One was 55, the other late 40s. The wives have been out for three weeks, but now a colleague has been hospitalized.

So, my son is scheduled to be tested tomorrow. It's just for Cov-2 not the antibodies. Unfortunately, it's not the fast test. He'll have to wait five days. I have a feeling the clinics which have been set up, i.e. not in hospitals, don't want to do the swab test because you sneeze afterwards or cough. So, they're doing the blood test.

My husband has already been tested. We're waiting for his results. They should be out in two days.

If either of them test positive, I'll have to be tested.

I knew it was just a matter of time given how widespread it is around us.

Nothing to do but wait, and hope the symptoms my husband and I have had indicate we had it and got over it. My son only had a bit of a cough for a day or two so hopefully he had it too.

bigsnake49
02-05-20, 23:48
I think I mentioned before that the husbands of two of my son's co-workers were both seriously ill from CoV-2.

They've both died. One was 55, the other late 40s. The wives have been out for three weeks, but now a colleague has been hospitalized.

So, my son is scheduled to be tested tomorrow. It's just for Cov-2 not the antibodies. Unfortunately, it's not the fast test. He'll have to wait five days. I have a feeling the clinics which have been set up, i.e. not in hospitals, don't want to do the swab test because you sneeze afterwards or cough. So, they're doing the blood test.

My husband has already been tested. We're waiting for his results. They should be out in two days.

If either of them test positive, I'll have to be tested.

I knew it was just a matter of time given how widespread it is around us.

Nothing to do but wait, and hope the symptoms my husband and I have had indicate we had it and got over it. My son only had a bit of a cough for a day or two so hopefully he had it too.

I am really sorry about your friends' husbands, that's terrible. I hope you had it and now it's over for all of you.

Dagne
02-05-20, 23:53
This is so horrible to hear that people whom you know (even indirectly) died! So sorry for their families and friends

Let us know about your results, let's hope you're over with it.

I will get tested for antibodies on Monday, too.

Angela
03-05-20, 01:04
@Dagne, Big Snake,

Thanks for your good wishes. :)

I really, really hope my husband and my son have the antibodies. It would be a weight off my mind. Otherwise, there's always that question in your head.

The worst result will be if my son is positive and we don't have the antibodies.

Well, I'll deal with that if and when it happens. No sense in pre-experiencing whatever it is.

Been wondering whether ethnicity does impact whether you get it and how sick you get. Both of the men who died were Pakistani, and the latest man who is in the hospital is Chinese.

On the other hand, maybe it's just sheer bad luck.

firetown
03-05-20, 22:03
We are fine now. I am just still sleeping more than usual, but that may be because I don't have to get up because of the lockdown. ;)

Like you I was feeling just fine most of the time despite the symptoms coming and going. I had the flu twice in my adult life and it was much worse. I was bedridden for several days with high fever, sweating heavily and barely ate anything. Covid-19 felt more like mild pre-flu symptoms lasting for 10 days without ever getting serious.

Did you also experience a loss of sense of taste and smell?

Maciamo
04-05-20, 12:04
Angela, it's very sad to hear about your son's coworkers' husbands. Do you know if they had pre-existing conditions that may have aggravated their condition?

Maciamo
04-05-20, 12:04
Did you also experience a loss of sense of taste and smell?

No. I think it's only a very small minority of people who experience that.

firetown
04-05-20, 12:24
I got very sick for 3 days 4 weeks ago, when Corona was still in far away China.
Throat ache, fever, a little head ache. Probably a regular flew.
Like most, I don't know whether I have Corona, but probably not.
It was already around that time in Europe. I've had people tell me of having had such symptoms back in December. It is possible looking at the rise of Chinese travelers.

Angela
04-05-20, 16:46
Angela, it's very sad to hear about your son's coworkers' husbands. Do you know if they had pre-existing conditions that may have aggravated their condition?

So far as I know, no, but my son didn't want to ask too many questions. The woman whose husband was in his late forties, whom he knows better, has young children and she's just distraught.

She herself tested positive and was in quarantine, but had barely any symptoms. It really does seem to affect men in a much worse way.

Dagne
04-05-20, 20:32
I did not get tested today... The municipal testing that I enrolled by internet (it was open to anyone wanting during the weekend) was not a serological testing (for antibodies) but laboratory-based molecular testing (RT-PCR) where they look for actual virus. There was no point in taking this test for me, as I have no symptoms at all now.
Municipality advertised it as population testing, so I was sure it was for antibodies, but no... It is a pity, I was already planning to go to give my blood for blood centre, if I had antibodies, but I don't know about it now.
Lithuanian authorities try to be very strict about testing, because they banned any commercial COVID testing (safety reasons, I suppose, and perhaps they want to have all results registered centrally, instead of people just knowing about their condition individually). Any testing is free, but so far serological testing is available only for health care system's people.


What about your husband and son's results, Angela? When are they due?

Angela
04-05-20, 22:19
I did not get tested today... The municipal testing that I enrolled by internet (it was open to anyone wanting during the weekend) was not a serological testing (for antibodies) but laboratory-based molecular testing (RT-PCR) where they look for actual virus. There was no point in taking this test for me, as I have no symptoms at all now.
Municipality advertised it as population testing, so I was sure it was for antibodies, but no... It is a pity, I was already planning to go to give my blood for blood centre, if I had antibodies, but I don't know about it now.
Lithuanian authorities try to be very strict about testing, because they banned any commercial COVID testing (safety reasons, I suppose, and perhaps they want to have all results registered centrally, instead of people just knowing about their condition individually). Any testing is free, but so far serological testing is available only for health care system's people.


What about your husband and son's results, Angela? When are they due?


My husband's are due in two days. My son's not until a few days after that.

I just wish the testing would get up to speed everywhere and everyone could be tested for the antibodies. It would not only be a relief, but for a while we could have something a little bit more approaching normalcy.

I still see my neighbors, anyone who is in walking distance, though. I've turned into that woman always looking out the front window. As soon as I see an acquaintance I wave or go on the porch while they stop in the middle of the road. No traffic nowadays, not that there ever was much, really.

The worst is that I haven't seen my daughter in person in weeks, but I also really miss my lunches out with my friends, museums, concerts, restaurants. My husband is really suffering, though. He's the most social and gregarious person I've ever met, and this is hell for him. My darn dog has never been walked so much. :) That way, even if he's 7-10 feet apart he can see people. He's out for hours. It doesn't really make up for the gym, though, or raquetball or tennis or his baseball team. He's pining even for just going to the ballgames.

You don't really know how much you'll miss these things until it happens, I guess, even for me, who needs much more alone time. This is TOO much.

Dagne
05-05-20, 09:38
Oh, it is difficult for you Angela! For me it is almost as always, now all the shops and open air facilities are open. I was drinking coffee with a friend yesterday after shopping in IKEA and then visited my aunt, whom I brought new pretty potted herbs... (Shopping is devastatingly exhausting compared to walking in the forest)

I miss my painting classes, this is true. My Sensei invited me to come to Japanese garden which is absolutely wonderfully gorgeous now, but I did not go. Somehow, I guess, I am getting antisocial after social distancing?
Last week I repaired my bike and broke it again ( it was raining and very slippery...) my knee was bleeding exactly the same like as was 6 years old (people do not really learn much throughout life, do they?)...
The bad thing is that I cannot focus on what I want/should to do, but instead I am googling around in the internet, and then I get anxious and frustrated for all the procrastination, and not accomplishing anything. This must change!

Angela
05-05-20, 14:55
Oh, it is difficult for you Angela! For me it is almost as always, now all the shops and open air facilities are open. I was drinking coffee with a friend yesterday after shopping in IKEA and then visited my aunt, whom I brought new pretty potted herbs... (Shopping is devastatingly exhausting compared to walking in the forest)

I miss my painting classes, this is true. My Sensei invited me to come to Japanese garden which is absolutely wonderfully gorgeous now, but I did not go. Somehow, I guess, I am getting antisocial after social distancing?
Last week I repaired my bike and broke it again ( it was raining and very slippery...) my knee was bleeding exactly the same like as was 6 years old (people do not really learn much throughout life, do they?)...
The bad thing is that I cannot focus on what I want/should to do, but instead I am googling around in the internet, and then I get anxious and frustrated for all the procrastination, and not accomplishing anything. This must change!

As I said, it's not as bad for me as for my husband. I'm cooking so much that he says we're all going to get fat. :) I'm also getting through my waiting list of books faster than usual, which is a good thing (although I miss my book club SO MUCH...online zoom just isn't the same), and watching a lot of netflix and amazon. Unfortunately, as I'm prone to watching crime drama (a professional predilection), it gets depressing.

I just want to have a party, fill the house with all my family and friends, feed them until they can't eat anymore, drink some wine together, turn on the music, hug, kiss, maybe dance, do a lot of laughing.

It's all just so damn depressing and anxiety causing, on top of all the economic worries and other things.

I tell myself not to be a whiner, to remember how bad things were for my family during the war, or even how bad it was here with 9/11 and so many people I knew died, but being without physical human contact messes up your head, I think.

This is the kind of situation when I wind up wishing I were still a praying woman. What's the Shakespeare phrase? I would trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries. Well, maybe it's better to believe no one is there to listen than to think whoever is there doesn't choose to listen.

firetown
05-05-20, 15:58
@Dagne, Big Snake,

Thanks for your good wishes. :)

I really, really hope my husband and my son have the antibodies. It would be a weight off my mind. Otherwise, there's always that question in your head.

The worst result will be if my son is positive and we don't have the antibodies.

Well, I'll deal with that if and when it happens. No sense in pre-experiencing whatever it is.

Been wondering whether ethnicity does impact whether you get it and how sick you get. Both of the men who died were Pakistani, and the latest man who is in the hospital is Chinese.

On the other hand, maybe it's just sheer bad luck.

It could mean they've been exposed more and carry a larger viral load. Harder to recover and more likely to succumb.
Considering their large population numbers, neither Pakistan or India have been effected much, but that is likely due to the ongoing heat.

Duarte
18-08-20, 01:17
On July 19 of this year I ended up at Hospital Biocor, City of Nova Lima, Metropolitan Region of Belo Horizonte, with all the typical symptoms of covid 19. I was medicated and, three hours later, I was discharged to go home. Two days later, the PCR test revealed the presence of the virus. I returned to the hospital 7 days later. It was twenty days of suffering. On August 12, another PCR accused that I no longer have the virus active in the body. However, a computed tomography shows pulmonary impairment with loss of respiratory capacity as a sequel. I am taking levofloxaxine 750 mg and the corticosteroid prednisolone. I lost 6kg in just over a month. Interestingly I am from blood group A +. My wife and son are from blood group A- and it seems that they are immune to the virus according to the serological exam. I took off my beard, cut my hair so short it's spiky and I'm as pale as a vampire.

Archetype0ne
18-08-20, 03:02
On July 19 of this year I ended up at Hospital Biocor, City of Nova Lima, Metropolitan Region of Belo Horizonte, with all the typical symptoms of covid 19. I was medicated and, three hours later, I was discharged to go home. Two days later, the PCR test revealed the presence of the virus. I returned to the hospital 7 days later. It was twenty days of suffering. On August 12, another PCR accused that I no longer have the virus active in the body. However, a computed tomography shows pulmonary impairment with loss of respiratory capacity as a sequel. I am taking levofloxaxine 750 mg and the corticosteroid prednisolone. I lost 6kg in just over a month. Interestingly I am from blood group A +. My wife and son are from blood group A- and it seems that they are immune to the virus according to the serological exam. I took off my beard, cut my hair so short it's spiky and I'm as pale as a vampire.

Dear Duarte, sorry to hear that, and glad that you recovered!
I have read from some reports that pulmonary function returns after some time, hope you make a speedy recovery. It is a good thing that your child and wife passed the virus asymptotically, now you should all be immune at least for a while.
My best wishes to you and your family.

Duarte
18-08-20, 03:11
Dear Duarte, sorry to hear that, and glad that you recovered!
I have read from some reports that pulmonary function returns after some time, hope you make a speedy recovery. It is a good thing that your child and wife passed the virus asymptotically, now you should all be immune at least for a while.
My best wishes to you and your family.

Thanks for the words of optimism Archetype0ne. I hope so. Today I had a good day. I no longer feel the weight on my chest. Tomorrow at 10:00 AM I will make a reevaluation appointment. I went back to eating (I had lost my hunger). That is already a good sign. :smile:Cheers.

Salento
18-08-20, 05:03
@Duarte I'm glad you’re better, and that your family is OK.

... personally, I would have avoided swimming in that pool :)

Duarte
18-08-20, 05:28
@Duarte I'm glad you’re better, and that your family is OK.

... personally, I would have avoided swimming in that pool :)

Thank you dear friend Salento. Now I'm scared even of a little breeze. I was knocked out by COVID. I never go into that pool again. That was the biggest hardship of my life. I never thought that this disease could be as it was. In 30 days the disease destroys you. But I am happy to be alive. Many people are not as lucky as I was. Today I am able to type again and surf the internet. My mood It’s better day by day. I thought that would never happen again. :good_job::smile:

Salento
18-08-20, 06:45
Thank you dear friend Salento. Now I'm scared even of a little breeze. I was knocked out by COVID. I never go into that pool again. That was the biggest hardship of my life. I never thought that this disease could be as it was. In 30 days the disease destroys you. But I am happy to be alive. Many people are not as lucky as I was. Today I am able to type again and surf the internet. My mood It’s better day by day. I thought that would never happen again. :good_job::smile:

It’s understandable, welcome back, ... The Gods have big plans for you,

... Happy Rebirth :)

Duarte
18-08-20, 12:54
It’s understandable, welcome back, ... The Gods have big plans for you,

... Happy Rebirth :)

Good Morning Salento. Thank you :smile:

Stuvanè
18-08-20, 14:33
On July 19 of this year I ended up at Hospital Biocor, City of Nova Lima, Metropolitan Region of Belo Horizonte, with all the typical symptoms of covid 19. I was medicated and, three hours later, I was discharged to go home. Two days later, the PCR test revealed the presence of the virus. I returned to the hospital 7 days later. It was twenty days of suffering. On August 12, another PCR accused that I no longer have the virus active in the body. However, a computed tomography shows pulmonary impairment with loss of respiratory capacity as a sequel. I am taking levofloxaxine 750 mg and the corticosteroid prednisolone. I lost 6kg in just over a month. Interestingly I am from blood group A +. My wife and son are from blood group A- and it seems that they are immune to the virus according to the serological exam. I took off my beard, cut my hair so short it's spiky and I'm as pale as a vampire.

Take care of you, Duarte
:good_job:

Duarte
18-08-20, 14:57
Take care of you, Duarte
:good_job:


Good Morning dear friend Stuvané. Thank you :smile:

Maciamo
18-08-20, 15:35
Sorry to hear about your woes with the coronavirus, Duarte. Take care.

Duarte
18-08-20, 15:44
Sorry to hear about your woes with the coronavirus, Duarte. Take care.

Thank you so much Maciamo. I believe the worst is over. I am now in the waiting room of a doctor's office waiting to do a reassessment. Thanks for the affection. :smile:

Angela
18-08-20, 17:28
On July 19 of this year I ended up at Hospital Biocor, City of Nova Lima, Metropolitan Region of Belo Horizonte, with all the typical symptoms of covid 19. I was medicated and, three hours later, I was discharged to go home. Two days later, the PCR test revealed the presence of the virus. I returned to the hospital 7 days later. It was twenty days of suffering. On August 12, another PCR accused that I no longer have the virus active in the body. However, a computed tomography shows pulmonary impairment with loss of respiratory capacity as a sequel. I am taking levofloxaxine 750 mg and the corticosteroid prednisolone. I lost 6kg in just over a month. Interestingly I am from blood group A +. My wife and son are from blood group A- and it seems that they are immune to the virus according to the serological exam. I took off my beard, cut my hair so short it's spiky and I'm as pale as a vampire.

I'm terribly sorry this happened to you, Duarte.

Please take care of yourself. With time you'll be back to your old self.

All my best wishes...Angela.

Duarte
18-08-20, 17:58
I'm terribly sorry this happened to you, Duarte.

Please take care of yourself. With time you'll be back to your old self.

All my best wishes...Angela.

Thanks for the affection Angela. God willing, everything will be fine. :smile:

Carlos
18-08-20, 22:11
On July 19 of this year I ended up at Hospital Biocor, City of Nova Lima, Metropolitan Region of Belo Horizonte, with all the typical symptoms of covid 19. I was medicated and, three hours later, I was discharged to go home. Two days later, the PCR test revealed the presence of the virus. I returned to the hospital 7 days later. It was twenty days of suffering. On August 12, another PCR accused that I no longer have the virus active in the body. However, a computed tomography shows pulmonary impairment with loss of respiratory capacity as a sequel. I am taking levofloxaxine 750 mg and the corticosteroid prednisolone. I lost 6kg in just over a month. Interestingly I am from blood group A +. My wife and son are from blood group A- and it seems that they are immune to the virus according to the serological exam. I took off my beard, cut my hair so short it's spiky and I'm as pale as a vampire.

I'm glad he's on the mend. The truth is that I was surprised by his absence and at some point it crossed my mind that something had happened to him.


As we say here: Everything has a solution except death.

Duarte
18-08-20, 23:28
I'm glad he's on the mend. The truth is that I was surprised by his absence and at some point it crossed my mind that something had happened to him.


As we say here: Everything has a solution except death.

Thank you Carlos, my dear brother from Andalusia. I was not in the mood to do anything. Those were difficult days. The news about the pandemic in Brazil and in the world was making me depressed. But now I'm fine psychologically too. The medical evaluation I did today was positive. The doctor listened to my chest and I'm not squeaking anymore. He believes that in one or, at the latest, two months, the lung injuries will be healed. I hope so. :good_job::smile:

Dagne
19-08-20, 08:25
Thank you dear friend Salento. Now I'm scared even of a little breeze. I was knocked out by COVID. I never go into that pool again. That was the biggest hardship of my life. I never thought that this disease could be as it was. In 30 days the disease destroys you. But I am happy to be alive. Many people are not as lucky as I was. Today I am able to type again and surf the internet. My mood It’s better day by day. I thought that would never happen again. :good_job::smile:

Take a good care of yourself Duarte, I am so sorry that it has been so hard on you!
COVID is really tricky, as it is so easy on some and so difficult on others. It feels like a gambling game - you never know if you draw a lucky or a bad card.

Duarte
19-08-20, 12:45
Take a good care of yourself Duarte, I am so sorry that it has been so hard on you!
COVID is really tricky, as it is so easy on some and so difficult on others. It feels like a gambling game - you never know if you draw a lucky or a bad card.

Thank you Dagne. It is true. My lucky card was not good. It is an unpredictable infection. Many people are immune. Many other people are infected but are asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms and many, like me, have acute symptoms of the disease. I think I was lucky even in my bad luck. I managed to survive. :good_job::wary2:

italouruguayan
20-08-20, 02:15
Duarte, I'm very sorry about the situation you went through. I am very glad that you and your family are better. This is a puzzling new disease ... no one knows if it will have a mild form ("gripezinha" someone said...) or a severe form. We all need to take care of ourselves (and those who work in hospitals, like me, even more). Hug!

Duarte
20-08-20, 02:41
Duarte, I'm very sorry about the situation you went through. I am very glad that you and your family are better. This is a puzzling new disease ... no one knows if it will have a mild form ("gripezinha" someone said...) or a severe form. We all need to take care of ourselves (and those who work in hospitals, like me, even more). Hug!

Thank you, Italo. Congratulations to you who are in this daily fight against this disease that is still a mystery. I hope that governments are also on the lookout to provide due assistance to those who are, supposed, healed, like me. There are sequelae that take a little longer to disappear after the virus is gone, and health protocols must be established to accompany those who are cured. Once again, I greet you Italo and, in doing so, I greet everyone who is on the front lines to fight against the pandemic. Heroes.

angeleyes2
20-08-20, 02:45
I know at least 3 people with Corona!

Duarte
20-08-20, 03:06
I know at least 3 people with Corona!

In Brazil, the disease spreads like a gunpowder fuse. The federal government is absolutely omitted on combating the pandemic. I got sick and several people I know also got sick. What seemed so far away, back in Wuhan, China, entered my home. I know that now is the time to prioritize coping with the disease, but I believe there is a need, later, to find out whose are the guilty for everything, whether in Brazil, or outside of Brazil.