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kingjohn
06-06-20, 17:28
some group administrator posted this
should be very soon ( some waves ):thinking:

FamilyTreeDNA Update












































Dear Group Project Administrators,

We are excited to announce the following updates that we will begin releasing today, June 5th, and in the coming weeks.





























myOrigins 3.0

We have nearly tripled the number of populations in Family Finder's myOrigins report! We will release a white paper in the coming months that will include the science behind the new myOrigins, but here is a little information about the new populations.

New Populations

The new myOrigins includes 90 reference populations sourced from 8,053 individual samples.
These populations break down as follows:

33 from Asia and Oceania
27 from Europe and the Middle East
21 from Africa and the Americas



When will users get results?

Approximately 287,000 testers will display the update upon release next week.
The remainder of the database will be updated in waves.
Priority will be given to those who have most recently signed in to their kits.
Those who have not signed in for a year or more will be last to get the updated version of myOrigins.
For those kits who do not receive the update next week, an email will be sent to the primary email address on the kit when the new results are ready to view.
New testers or transfers who get results after the release will receive only the myOrigins 3.0 results, not the 2.0.
A CSV file summary of myOrigins 2.0 results will be available on the dashboard for a limited time.































Big Y STR Results

Thanks to the improvement in our Big Y STR technology and quality thresholds, reanalyzing current Big Y data is allowing us to provide additional STR values at no charge. SNP results will not be affected by this update.

This reanalysis will go as follows:

Big Y-700 customers should have received additional STR calls in Panels 6 and 7 over the last few weeks.
Big Y-500 customers will receive additional STR calls in Panels 6 and 7 in the next few days.
Once all customers have been updated, STR calls in Panels 6 and 7 for all customers will be refined based on improvements to our quality control thresholds.

It’s important to note:

For Big Y-700 testers, up until now, if there was a call at a location in the 500 but not in the 700, we preserved the 500 call. With the update to the STR calling process, Big Y-700 testers will only have those STRs called in the 700, which may mean some no-calls at positions that previously had values.
While Big Y-500 customers will receive some additional STR values, the only way to guarantee that a tester receives the full 700 STRs is to upgrade to Big Y-700.































If you have any questions about these updates, please contact the FamilyTreeDNA Groups Team at [email protected]

We hope you are all safe and healthy. Thank you for all of the work you do with your projects!

Sincerely,
FamilyTreeDNA

bigsnake49
06-06-20, 22:39
That will be wonderful because for me they have South East Europe that includes Italy, Greece and the Balkans.

Kaser
09-06-20, 02:35
Finally, This has taken forever to come. let's hope 3.0 is better

Yaan
09-06-20, 07:28
It is been postponed, let come it will come soon :)

kingjohn
09-06-20, 08:55
It is been postponed, let come it will come soon :)

Yes i saw
they took step back
bummer :thinking:



Dear Group Project Administrators,

We are delaying the release of myOrigins 3.0. After discovering issues in the final stages of QA, we've made the difficult decision to postpone the release to avoid the risk of compromising the stability of our website as we work to address the issue.

When we have an expected launch date, we will let you know. We are working as quickly as possible to resolve all issues.

We apologize for any inconvenience and for the change in plans.
If you have any questions, please contact the FamilyTreeDNA Groups Team at [email protected]

Sincerely,
FamilyTreeDNA

Lukas
22-09-20, 18:45
Here it is:)

https://i.imgur.com/VsFTPm0.png

father

https://i.imgur.com/HwK2vyr.png

mother is too pure here:)
https://i.imgur.com/QSOC2jV.png

torzio
22-09-20, 19:22
My new one .............the 8% Anatolian I had has finally disappeared ,


Europe 100%


Southern Europe
Italian Peninsula
45%

Greece & Balkans
11%

Sardinia
5%


Western Europe
Great Britain
19%

Central Europe
10%


Eastern Europe
East Slavic
5%

Baltic
Baltic
5%






Better , than previous version...................different to Ancestry, 23andme and MyHeritages ones

Carlos
23-09-20, 02:51
Europe100%

Southern Europe
66%

Iberian Peninsula
39%

Sardinia
13%

Basque
11%

Italian Peninsula
3%

Greece & Balkans
info
<0%

Malta & Sicily
info
<0%

Western Europe
31%

Central Europe
28%

Ireland
3%

​Eastern Europe

West Slavic
2%

East Slavic
info
<0%
Magyar
info
<0%

Finnish
<2%




I did not know they were updating it, they had not warned me.

Carlos
23-09-20, 03:10
Oh yeah! I had forgotten the map


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7yHx-hCiX1g/X2pJD37vG3I/AAAAAAAAEls/OyWNrSNhBjki-h5_OB3_FsXyoQwBmJ6rwCLcBGAsYHQ/s886/MapeFTDNA2020.jpeg

Duarte
23-09-20, 03:26
Not for all users. Not available for me for while.

https://i.imgur.com/b3vpbfH.jpg

kingjohn
23-09-20, 08:23
Mine in line with my
Known geneology :good_job:

https://i.imgur.com/PJtQJeh.jpg

bigsnake49
23-09-20, 16:28
Mine:

12334

Hmmmmmm...here are my Ancestry.com results:

12342

Duarte
23-09-20, 19:38
Not for all users. Not available for me for while.

https://i.imgur.com/b3vpbfH.jpg

Done. Today my results are available. Europe 96% (63% Iberian, 28% Italian, 5% Central Europe, 1% Scadinavian), 2% Middle Eastern (2% Noth African - Magreb and Egypt) and 2% Africa (Congo). Logical results, considering that I am mainly a Colonial Portuguese and I am in a different clade than the one represented by the IBS (Iberian population of Spain), as shown in the latest figure:

Postsript: 90% Southern Europe. Nice :smile::good_job:

https://i.imgur.com/fdoYolR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/PsNjZ49.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/N5uT4sw.png

kingjohn
23-09-20, 19:49
Done. Today my results are available. Europe 96% (63% Iberian, 28% Italian, 5% Central Europe, 1% Scadinavian), 2% Middle Eastern (2% Noth African - Magreb and Egypt) and 2% Africa (Congo). Logical results, considering that I am mainly a Colonial Portuguese and I am in a different clade than the one represented by the IBS (Iberian population of Spain), as shown in the latest figure:

https://i.imgur.com/fdoYolR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/PsNjZ49.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/N5uT4sw.png


nice :cool-v:
look like they ftdna more or less nailed it this time :thinking:
your italian peninsula in also high
do you happen to have northern italian ancestery ?
( since many white brazilians do ) :thinking:
regards
adam

Duarte
23-09-20, 19:59
nice :cool-v:
look like they ftdna more or less nailed it this time :thinking:
your italian peninsula in also high
do you happen to have northern italian ancestery ?
( since many white brazilians do ) :thinking:
regards
adam

Hi Adam.
I have no news of Italian ancestors in my family (maternal and paternal). In fact, most autosomal calculators give me a high percentage of Italians. Until proven otherwise, I believe in the overlap of Iberians with northern Italians. Thank you very much for starting this topic. Today I'm out of juice. Tomorrow I will repay the courtesy of you having liked my post. :good_job::smile::smile:

italouruguayan
23-09-20, 20:17
Mine....12335

Sent from my SM-G9600 using Eupedia Forum mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=89698)

italouruguayan
23-09-20, 20:20
Europe
85%
Southern Europe

Italian Peninsula
49%
Greece & Balkans
18%
Iberian Peninsula
4%

Western Europe
Central Europe
8%

Eastern Europe
East Slavic
7%

Americas
12%
Americas

Amerindian – Central & South Mexico
11%
Amerindian – Andes & Caribbean
info
<1%
Amerindian – Central America
info
<1%

Middle East
<3%
North Africa
Maghreb & Egypt
info
<3%

Africa
<2%
Horn of Africa
Eritrea, Northern Ethiopia & Somalia
info
<2%

italouruguayan
23-09-20, 20:30
Some things have surprised me:

1- In my maternal line, Portuguese and Spanish surnames predominate widely. However, my Iberian component is 4%, while the East Slavic is 7%.

2-The Amerindians of my country were related to tribes of the Pampas and the south of Brazil. However, my main Amerindian component is from southern Mexico (11%). It is not impossible ... but it is highly unlikely.

3-The African slaves who came to South America came, almost entirely from the African Atlantic facade. However, my sub-Saharan component is from the Horn of Africa (<2%) ....

PaschalisB
23-09-20, 21:03
Europe 96%
Southern Europe
Italian Peninsula 45%

Greece & Balkans 34%

Eastern Europe
Magyar 13%

Baltic
Baltic4%


Middle East4%
Middle East
Anatolia, Armenia, & Mesopotamia 4%

Middle East Jewish
Mizrahi Jewish<1%

bigsnake49
24-09-20, 14:03
Europe 96%
Southern Europe
Italian Peninsula 45%

Greece & Balkans 34%

Eastern Europe
Magyar 13%

Baltic
Baltic4%


Middle East4%
Middle East
Anatolia, Armenia, & Mesopotamia 4%

Middle East Jewish
Mizrahi Jewish<1%



What's up with all the Magyar component all of a sudden for Greeks?

lacreme
24-09-20, 15:17
What's up with all the Magyar component all of a sudden for Greeks?

Judging by various results posted elsewhere,whatever the ethnic backround Magyar,Irish or various jewish groups are the new hotness on this update :laughing: .
Almost everyone seems to get at least one of those..

The updated results of my Greek friend.
He gets the traces of various jewish groups in his case
https://i.imgur.com/JtmLq0z.jpg

Archetype0ne
24-09-20, 15:33
Lost my British Isles component...
Sardinia was added. My guess is to push me autosomaly further west, and/or include some Paleo component that differentiates me from modern day Balkans. It makes sense since I lost Italy/British Isles in my component after the update.

https://i.imgur.com/dOPnyIg.png

PS: A bit confused, is Greece not considered Balkans? Or is there some other reason for the nomenclature being "Greece & Balkans"?

kingjohn
24-09-20, 16:15
Judging by various results posted elsewhere,whatever the ethnic backround Magyar,Irish or various jewish groups are the new hotness on this update :laughing: .
Almost everyone seems to get at least one of those..

The updated results of my Greek friend.
He gets the traces of various jewish groups in his case
https://i.imgur.com/JtmLq0z.jpg


yes but extremely low <1%
i think aegean greeks or some other middle eastern score some of the jewish refernces ( sefhardi , or mizrahi):thinking:
i saw a palestinian who score 12% sefhardi and some mizrahi
same goes for a lebanese christain i saw who score 19% sefhardi and some 8% mizrahi
obviously it is false positive ....:thinking:
but i do rearly see non- jews europeans who score those clusters and if they do extremely low% :thinking:
the bigest problem of this update is the magyar refernce ( to choose hungary a central european country who is a mixed of balka+ germanic+ slavic)
was a bad idea to begin with .....:rolleyes2:
so thats why we see some overlap with non- jewish europeans who score it ....

p.s
the aschenazi cluster is stable as a rock
my father mother is full aschenazi and he score 51% asckenazi in the new update .....
the sefhardi and mizrhi clusters not so much and i do see false positive cases ......
about the greece- balkan cluster
i saw some southern bulgarian results who scored 100% greece -balkan :shocked:
they might used some southern bulgarians as reference for this cluster :thinking:

Duarte
24-09-20, 16:20
Lost my British Isles component...
Sardinia was added. My guess is to push me autosomaly further west, and/or include some Paleo component that differentiates me from modern day Balkans. It makes sense since I lost Italy/British Isles in my component after the update.

https://i.imgur.com/dOPnyIg.png

PS: A bit confused, is Greece not considered Balkans? Or is there some other reason for the nomenclature being "Greece & Balkans"?

Hi Archetype0ne

I expanded my results to show all populations to see all the FTDNA's population clusters. Greece & Balcans represents a unique population cluster. Next I post the explanations of FTDNA about how to understand the groups and subgroups represented by Continental Regions, Overarching Populations, and Population Clusters.

https://i.imgur.com/eR1BdOj.png

https://i.imgur.com/D5xwHoF.png
https://imgur.com/a/FCTd732


https://imgur.com/a/FCTd732

Regio X
24-09-20, 19:17
Here're our results, mine and maternal uncle's.


Mine
https://i.imgur.com/RSBoOzt.jpg




Uncle's
https://i.imgur.com/3sOF2TB.jpg



No comments. :disappointed:

bigsnake49
24-09-20, 19:41
Here're our results, mine and maternal uncle's.


Mine
https://i.imgur.com/RSBoOzt.jpg




Uncle's
https://i.imgur.com/3sOF2TB.jpg



No comments. :disappointed:
Wow, you're all over the place.

Carlos
24-09-20, 19:58
Well, I think 100% European is very good because I have not missed Europe for half an hour.


Although this is autosomal there must be something in the trajectory of the haplogroups that could be a clue the smaller in My Origin values in minority haplogroups in Europe or no

Duarte
24-09-20, 20:37
Mine in line with my
Known geneology :good_job:

https://i.imgur.com/tVcOcgH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/PJtQJeh.jpg

@KingJohn
Your Jewish origin is well configured in his autosomal results: 45% Jew (Ashkenazi + Sephardic) + 47% Southern Europe (Greece & Balcans + Malta & Sicily). The remaining difference to 100% is divided into population noises in the Middle East. Congratulations. :good_job:

kingjohn
24-09-20, 20:56
thanks durate :smile:
you anlayse it very well :good_job:
best regards
adam

p.s
now let us hope for the chromosome viewer update

Regio X
24-09-20, 21:09
Wow, you're all over the place.And there is this match of my uncle, full North Italian in ancestry, that scores 0% for Italian Peninsula. Sorry to say, but no good. I wonder if FTDNA uses any reference from North Italy.

Duarte
24-09-20, 21:48
And there is this match of my uncle, full North Italian in ancestry, that scores 0% for Italian Peninsula. Sorry to say, but no good. I wonder if FTDNA uses any reference from North Italy.

Perhaps you and your uncle are too displaced to the north, which made you and him capture the population clusters of Great Britain and Central Europe, in the absence of specific populations in northern Italy. The FTDNA algorithm has chosen for you two some populations that would normally appear as populacional clusters of natives from Germany and France and maybe British Isles. For me there was an improvement, since I had 16% British ancestry in version 2 and now in this version 3 I have zero. I had 72% of Iberian ancestry in version 2 and now I have 63%. The differences was attributed to the Italian Peninsula. Considering that the Iberian and Italian populations overlap in many of the autosomal algorithms, the loss of 9% of Iberian ancestry and 16% of British ancestry in favor of the Italian one is not so serious I think.

emc
25-09-20, 01:16
At least my Iberian is in line with my paper trail this time. As for the high Central European, I guess it’s because my Italian is mostly from the north. My new results:
1234012341
12338
12339

Boreas
25-09-20, 04:23
About clusters; Baltic, Magyar, North Caucasus, South Caucasus, East Caucasus etc. These are good detail ones

However; Greece & Balkans , Anatolia & Mesopotamia are not. Looks like they didn't care

I have already lost my interest

and guys please share old results too

kingjohn
25-09-20, 06:26
southwest ukranian woman
close to moldova border :smile:




West Slavic 47%
East Slavic 6%
Greece & Balkans 33%:cool-v:
Baltic 9%
Finland 4%
Southern Levant 1%


p.s
for me personally it is better than version v2.
but i can understand people who are frustrated with v3 version and don't like there results :thinking:

Regio X
25-09-20, 16:19
Perhaps you and your uncle are too displaced to the north, which made you and him capture the population clusters of Great Britain and Central Europe, in the absence of specific populations in northern Italy. The FTDNA algorithm has chosen for you two some populations that would normally appear as populacional clusters of natives from Germany and France and maybe British Isles. For me there was an improvement, since I had 16% British ancestry in version 2 and now in this version 3 I have zero. I had 72% of Iberian ancestry in version 2 and now I have 63%. The differences was attributed to the Italian Peninsula. Considering that the Iberian and Italian populations overlap in many of the autosomal algorithms, the loss of 9% of Iberian ancestry and 16% of British ancestry in favor of the Italian one is not so serious I think.Duarte, will PM you.

spruithean
25-09-20, 16:38
p.s
for me personally it is better than version v2.
but i can understand people who are frustrated with v3 version and don't like there results :thinking:



I think a large amount of people do not like the results because frankly FTDNA did a pretty poor job IMO. You have people with predominately British ancestry getting results saying 0% British or people of Yemeni Arab origin being labeled as “Yemenite Jewish”. Even my own results make no sense for my known origins via paper trail, something I would expect to see in my results (since it makes up such a large portion of my family tree) returns with “0%”.

kingjohn
25-09-20, 17:44
I think a large amount of people do not like the results because frankly FTDNA did a pretty poor job IMO. You have people with predominately British ancestry getting results saying 0% British or people of Yemeni Arab origin being labeled as “Yemenite Jewish”. Even my own results make no sense for my known origins via paper trail, something I would expect to see in my results (since it makes up such a large portion of my family tree) returns with “0%”.
Hi
I respect your opinions :smile:
To put all the cards on the table
Ftdna are better in there family finder tool
And y haplogroup and mtdna tests
Much less in there myorigins tool
....:thinking:
But false positive will happen as long as ftdna use
Those jewish refernces ( mizrahi, sefhardi, yemenite jews)
It is logical to expect overlapp in genetic markers... between non -jewish middle eastern population with those jewish references to some extent....

P.s
I also see
Those false positives in my heritage results of many people...
Having said all that i saw some results in anthrogenica of my origins 3.0 update...
And i see iberians and eastern europeans results that to me look logic..
Maybe they blew it with people of british ancestery hope they will improve in the future for all dissapointed people out there:smile:

italouruguayan
25-09-20, 21:17
And there is this match of my uncle, full North Italian in ancestry, that scores 0% for Italian Peninsula. Sorry to say, but no good. I wonder if FTDNA uses any reference from North Italy.


Hard to understand.
My father is 100% of Northern Italian origin.
My mother had a Neapolitan great-grandfather. And I am 49% Italian ...

Regio X
26-09-20, 01:34
Hard to understand.
My father is 100% of Northern Italian origin.
My mother had a Neapolitan great-grandfather. And I am 49% Italian ...Hard, isn't it? And at the same time we see in this thread a Greek (PaschalisB) scoring well for Italian Peninsula: 45% (same as torzio, and higher than my uncle's and mine). It reminds me my mother scoring almost 50% for Balkan in MyHeritage. lol Also Duarte, Iberian in ancestry, scores almost 30% for Italian Peninsula.

Imo 0% is not acceptable for a N. Italian in ancestry, as well as too high scores for clusters such UK.
Below are the results of this Brazilian, with the permission of his representative. The Southern Euro part is divided into Greece & Balkan and Sardinia only. His actual ancestry is 87.5% from BL and 12.5% from N. TV.

https://i.imgur.com/LVjdPcn.jpg

torzio
26-09-20, 19:59
Hard, isn't it? And at the same time we see in this thread a Greek (PaschalisB) scoring well for Italian Peninsula: 45% (same as torzio, and higher than my uncle's and mine). It reminds me my mother scoring almost 50% for Balkan in MyHeritage. lol Also Duarte, Iberian in ancestry, scores almost 30% for Italian Peninsula.

Imo 0% is not acceptable for a N. Italian in ancestry, as well as too high scores for clusters such UK.
Below are the results of this Brazilian, with the permission of his representative. The Southern Euro part is divided into Greece & Balkan and Sardinia only. His actual ancestry is 87.5% from BL and 12.5% from N. TV.

https://i.imgur.com/LVjdPcn.jpg


mine below and my wife underneath...her line both paternal and maternal and on the Livenza river, which is the border of Veneto and Friuli ( her father , northern part of Livenza and her mother southern part which is venezia province

https://i.postimg.cc/CK4jVy9r/ftdna-v3.png (https://postimages.org/)


Wife's data
Europe 100%
Southern Europe
Italian Peninsula
39%
Greece & Balkans
18%
Western Europe
Central Europe
32%
Scandinavia
11%



In Version 1 , I had no Anatolian ....in version 2 , I had 8% Anatolian and 3% Greek/balkan .......in V3 , I have zero Anatolian and 11% Greek/Balkan



In regards to UK clusters .................I have 4 x "uk clusters" matches in ftdna with the Hill families of North and South Carolina ....they are Scots and went to USA in 1730

Regio X
27-09-20, 04:48
fwiw

Below fifteen myOrigins 3.0 results from Brazilians with full North Italian ancestry. Courtesy of the same fellow who provided the results I posted previously. He made an awesome job testing many distant relatives. Some (few) of them are matches of my uncle, since they share an ancestry location.

https://i.imgur.com/OJifM2M.jpg