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1.What's the origin of ravioli/cappelletti/tortellini? I keep on reading BS that Marco Polo took it (and pasta) from China but that seems very unlikely given recipes fro pasta before Marco Polo. Same thing with the idea that pizza and ice cream came from China when the history of pizza doesn't really go outside Italy and the ice cream has historical predecessors from Rome to Persia. Is there any evidence of influence from Asia in ravioli/pasta from Asia prior to Marco Polo? Or is this an example of independent inventions like I think?
2.What's the origin of the dumpling type dishes Eastern Europeans love? I would have figured that the origin would be in some sort of Turko-Mongol dish like manti or mandu.
But the Oxford companion to Food states a completely different history.
https://books.google.com/books?id=R...e&q=joshpara oxford companion to food&f=false
They apparently originate in an ancient Persian dish called Joshpara which is apparently "an ancient form of Iranian ravioli (or, to be exact cappelletti,meaning 'little hats')". Apparently Persian fur traders taught this to Finno-Ugric people from whom Russian then adopted them and I guess spread them back as far west as Poland.
Is this actually likely? That Iranians invented pasta/ravioli independently (that's actually not the first time I read it-many prominent food writers have argued for that) or is the Iranian dish some sort of derivative of some Chinese or Turko-Mongol dish?
Sorry for the long post. I'm somewhat of a food historian.
2.What's the origin of the dumpling type dishes Eastern Europeans love? I would have figured that the origin would be in some sort of Turko-Mongol dish like manti or mandu.
But the Oxford companion to Food states a completely different history.
https://books.google.com/books?id=R...e&q=joshpara oxford companion to food&f=false
They apparently originate in an ancient Persian dish called Joshpara which is apparently "an ancient form of Iranian ravioli (or, to be exact cappelletti,meaning 'little hats')". Apparently Persian fur traders taught this to Finno-Ugric people from whom Russian then adopted them and I guess spread them back as far west as Poland.
Is this actually likely? That Iranians invented pasta/ravioli independently (that's actually not the first time I read it-many prominent food writers have argued for that) or is the Iranian dish some sort of derivative of some Chinese or Turko-Mongol dish?
Sorry for the long post. I'm somewhat of a food historian.