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YRD3
12-11-20, 14:42
hi. I am from north England and my haplogroup is J1a2b2 [J1-Z1884]. i heard it is common in the middle east, north africa and south italy. my family have lived here and in ireland for hundreds of years and i have an english surname. does anyone have an idea how i got this haplogroup?
sorry if anything is confusing, i am no expert at this :)

Wanderer
14-11-20, 00:51
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TaktikatEMalet
15-11-20, 22:13
hi. I am from north England and my haplogroup is J1a2b2 [J1-Z1884]. i heard it is common in the middle east, north africa and south italy. my family have lived here and in ireland for hundreds of years and i have an english surname. does anyone have an idea how i got this haplogroup?
sorry if anything is confusing, i am no expert at this :)

Many different ways, looking at known historical events -

1. Romans who may have carried small amounts of J1 (maybe phoenician?), there is also over 6% of Roman R1b U152 in England along with some other Southern European clades which probably travelled with Romans

2. Jewish, I think Jews have a short history of settling in England but then we don't know if this is a Jewish clade maybe Arab father had a Jewish wife/partner

3. Slave? England has a history with slavery. I am not sure how much J1 was found in the countries where England took most slaves from (since I don't know where they took them from), there is more J1 towards East Africa & North

Adai1
05-12-20, 02:32
Hi again I'm user YRD3. I had to create a new account my last one was a quick one I made, forgot the password.

I've had a look on ftdna. I believe the specific haplogroup is J-FT264818 (going down the tree: FT264818 - Y13481 - FT3509014 - FGC4412 - FGC4415 etc) Does anyone have any information on this haplogroup? Thanks.

TaktikatEMalet
05-12-20, 19:22
Looks like it may have been spread with arab muslim expansions

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/36350-What-do-we-know-about-J-FGC4415?

Adai1
05-12-20, 20:39
Thank you for the link.
Since the arab armies never made it to Britain during their invasions, my theory is that i have a paternal arab ancestor who settled in spain and his descendants sailed by boat to Britain and settled there. I can't think of another explanation

Ozzie
18-02-21, 16:22
J-Z1884 at the same level as J-L858 which does not tell you much as it is about 5,000 years old. To find anything out about the possible origin of the person who bequeathed the subclade, more SNP testing is needed.

How did it end up in England? People traded over long distances, people joined armies like the Roman Army, people were bought and sold as slaves, maybe he just wanted to live in a country with a cold and wet climate.

Mineiro25
05-05-21, 18:47
Nice topic