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Jovialis
21-01-21, 05:09
I think it is time we start a new thread on the topic of U.S. politics. It is the end of an era, and the beginning of a new one.

Jovialis
21-01-21, 05:15
Antifa attacks Democratic Party HQ in Portland, Oregon. 8 people were arrested for rioting, and other violent crimes.


PORTLAND, Ore. -- Far-left, anti-police demonstrators smashed windows at the Democratic Party of Oregon building in Northeast Portland Wednesday afternoon. The vandalism took place just hours following President Joe Biden's inauguration.

https://www.koin.com/news/protests/inauguration-protests-portland-01202021/

Northener
21-01-21, 10:28
Antifa attacks Democratic Party HQ in Portland, Oregon. 8 people were arrested for rioting, and other violent crimes.

Yes take notion of this: they attack the Democrats they are not the Democrats.

A view from the EU, give uncle Joe a change! He's pretty the man of the middle. Het had imo a good speech yesterday.

And the the tone towards for example the EU is from the beginning different (and yes it's merely the tone the domestic problems in the US are too big).

Jovialis
21-01-21, 14:04
Yes take notion of this: they attack the Democrats they are not the Democrats.

A view from the EU, give uncle Joe a change! He's pretty the man of the middle. Het had imo a good speech yesterday.

And the the tone towards for example the EU is from the beginning different (and yes it's merely the tone the domestic problems in the US are too big).

I really don't mind him, I hope he does the best job he can. I said in another thread, I hope he moves even more towards the middle, bringing the Democrats along with him. I hope he can get us out of the Coronavirus pandemic, and bring us to peace and prosperity.

Antifa, and violent malcontents all need to be dealt with. I recall seeing Antifa graffiti in Portugal, do they have much of a presence in the EU?

What I think the real problem is media, and big tech trying to control the narrative. Take this story for example, I did not find it anywhere except the local Portland news, and some conservative channels. Personally, I prefer the local news to these 24-hour news networks, because they are the least partisan. I think reporting based on ideology, whether it be left, or right, is creating a sense of distrust in this country.

I respect Ted Wheeler, the Democrat mayor of Portland, for calling out Antifa and the anarchists by name:


“My good faith efforts at de-escalation have been met with ongoing violence and even scorn from radical antifa and anarchists,” Wheeler said. “In response, it will be necessary to use additional tools and to push the limits of the tools we already have to bring the criminal destruction and violence to an end.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/532365-portland-mayor-blames-antifa-anarchists-following-nye-riot

Northener
21-01-21, 16:30
I really don't mind him, I hope he does the best job he can. I said in another thread, I hope he moves even more towards the middle, bringing the Democrats along with him. I hope he can get us out of the Coronavirus pandemic, and bring us to peace and prosperity.

Antifa, and violent malcontents all need to be dealt with. I recall seeing Antifa graffiti in Portugal, do they have much of a presence in the EU?

What I think the real problem is media, and big tech trying to control the narrative. Take this story for example, I did not find it anywhere except the local Portland news, and some conservative channels. Personally, I prefer the local news to these 24-hour news networks, because they are the least partisan. I think reporting based on ideology, whether it be left, or right, is creating a sense of distrust in this country.

I respect Ted Wheeler, the Democrat mayor of Portland, for calling out Antifa and the anarchists by name:

I'm a kind of anti-fascist too....but not a kind of radikalinski they are ;) I don't share their violent ways. Yes there are Antifa groups in Europe but not there in a very violent ways (right now), only when in Germany the radical right popped up they acted (action=reaction).

I say it quite plain: you must be blind with one eye if Antifa is the only or even the biggest problem in the US. The 25.000 of the National Guard and Wahsington as a kind of war zone was not because the radical left was expected to knock on the doors of Capitol.

What about this? Q-anon, they have the wildest theories:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/technology/qanon-inauguration.html

Jovialis
21-01-21, 16:54
Tbh, I have never heard of Qanon until they were mentioned in the presidential debates. But they sound like they are insane, like anti-vaxxers, and flat-earthers.

If people want to be far-left, that is their right. I just don't support the violence.

Angela
21-01-21, 17:51
Antifa attacks Democratic Party HQ in Portland, Oregon. 8 people were arrested for rioting, and other violent crimes.

What has happened to Portland is hardly trivial. I never liked it because I couldn't stand either the weather or the politics, but it was a very livable city. The cowardice and sympathies of the local government officials is to blame.

https://www.wweek.com/news/2021/01/20/a-key-indicator-of-real-estate-investors-interest-in-portland-shows-a-precipitous-decline/

http://static-35.sinclairstoryline.com/resources/media/74b27b30-550e-42f6-9d61-74d64485b703-large16x9_Elkstatuecaptioned.jpg?1595427891116

Now the mayor is begging for more aggressive action.

Ferguson after BLM "protests". All built on a lie, but who even remembers that anymore.
http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ap_ferguson_michael_brown_protest_wy_141124_mn_16x 9_992.jpg

Baltimore after similar "protests".

https://liberalsbackwardsthink.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/baltimore-rioters.jpg

Storming City Hall
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NPqmAugMkbU/maxresdefault.jpg


Oh, and after all the hysteria, did those morons going into the Capitol Building equal this?

Hypocrisy is everywhere.

But by all means let's see who holds the reins now; will it be Biden or the San Francisco machine which came in with Kamala Harris be in control? They're certainly littering the administration. Will Old Joe have the will and the strength to hold his ground? If he doesn't, watch out. After all the San Francisco Democratic machine has done such a good job with San Francisco. :)

California keeps threatening to secede. They should...without Federal funds the state and cities would go bankrupt in a year, not to mention to population drain of Californians sick of the whole mess. God, the vaccine roll out is the worst in the country, worse than the worst countries in Europe, Belgium and The Netherlands.

Northener
21-01-21, 18:41
What has happened to Portland is hardly trivial. I never liked it because I couldn't stand either the weather or the politics, but it was a very livable city. The cowardice and sympathies of the local government officials is to blame.

https://www.wweek.com/news/2021/01/20/a-key-indicator-of-real-estate-investors-interest-in-portland-shows-a-precipitous-decline/

http://static-35.sinclairstoryline.com/resources/media/74b27b30-550e-42f6-9d61-74d64485b703-large16x9_Elkstatuecaptioned.jpg?1595427891116

Now the mayor is begging for more aggressive action.

Ferguson after BLM "protests". All built on a lie, but who even remembers that anymore.
http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ap_ferguson_michael_brown_protest_wy_141124_mn_16x 9_992.jpg

Baltimore after similar "protests".

https://liberalsbackwardsthink.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/baltimore-rioters.jpg

Storming City Hall
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NPqmAugMkbU/maxresdefault.jpg


Oh, and after all the hysteria, did those morons going into the Capitol Building equal this?

Hypocrisy is everywhere.

But by all means let's see who holds the reins now; will it be Biden or the San Francisco machine which came in with Kamala Harris be in control? They're certainly littering the administration. Will Old Joe have the will and the strength to hold his ground? If he doesn't, watch out. After all the San Francisco Democratic machine has done such a good job with San Francisco. :)

California keeps threatening to secede. They should...without Federal funds the state and cities would go bankrupt in a year, not to mention to population drain of Californians sick of the whole mess. God, the vaccine roll out is the worst in the country, worse than the worst countries in Europe, Belgium and The Netherlands.
Those kind of violation BLM or Trump mob is of course to be condemned. But the Capitol is a different story IMO. Not because the devastations were literally more than in Portland. But invading the political center of a country aimed for the 'scalp' of the vice president Mike Pence and madam speaker Nancy Pelosi, even fired up by the head of state president Trump is in the Western world quite unique! Total different (political) impact!

By the way in all the fuzz some humor I heard that GW Bush said to Pelosi yesterday 'hey Nancy still the speaker' ROFLOL. I like that understated humor.


God, the vaccine roll out is the worst in the country, worse than the worst countries in Europe, Belgium and The Netherlands.


Typical Low Lands disease everything must be handled carefully (clear text: slooooow). But the health care infastructure in the Netherlands (/Belgium)is very fine tuned (and state of the art), tiny Dutch17,4 mill inhabitants has 25 (!) sub health care institutes that arrange the vaccination, so it takes a loooooooong time while but when it's a go then it can go fast. That's typical Low Lands ;(

Jovialis
21-01-21, 20:53
What has happened to Portland is hardly trivial. I never liked it because I couldn't stand either the weather or the politics, but it was a very livable city. The cowardice and sympathies of the local government officials is to blame.

https://www.wweek.com/news/2021/01/20/a-key-indicator-of-real-estate-investors-interest-in-portland-shows-a-precipitous-decline/

http://static-35.sinclairstoryline.com/resources/media/74b27b30-550e-42f6-9d61-74d64485b703-large16x9_Elkstatuecaptioned.jpg?1595427891116

Now the mayor is begging for more aggressive action.


This must have been truly humiliating for him.

Far-Leftists back in June shout down the mayor telling him to "quit his job". Probably part of the reason he is taking a hardline against them:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM5nmiZhM6A

Northener
22-01-21, 10:14
Still the US had missed this potential president.....definitely past the extravaganza of the past years ROFLOL! #upfortheBern!

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Silesian
23-01-21, 18:16
I scared people sleep on in crowded conditions in basement garage, and get covid. I scared no jobs. I scared poor people of Syria, entire family, peo[ple crying. Poor young men, who don't use crack, looking for work.
Like my friend from Cambodia used to say, "him wanna do, him do."

Angela
23-01-21, 19:44
This must have been truly humiliating for him.

Far-Leftists back in June shout down the mayor telling him to "quit his job". Probably part of the reason he is taking a hardline against them:

[video=youtube;jM5nmiZhM6A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM5nmiZhM6A[/ideo]

Don't know why I didn't know this before but ANTIFA is connected to an old Stalinist apologia group. What hypocrisy. They call themselves antifascists and are "theologically" completely fascist. It's just fascism of the left.

I saw pictures of the posters in their last march saying "We want revenge" accompanied by a picture of an MK47 or similar. The New York Times piece didn't show the poster but said ANTIFA continues to protest. Is anyone surprised? :)

Jovialis
23-01-21, 21:44
Don't know why I didn't know this before but ANTIFA is connected to an old Stalinist apologia group. What hypocrisy. They call themselves antifascists and are "theologically" completely fascist. It's just fascism of the left.

I saw pictures of the posters in their last march saying "We want revenge" accompanied by a picture of an MK47 or similar. The New York Times piece didn't show the poster but said ANTIFA continues to protest. Is anyone surprised? :)

I think what a lot of people on the left, especially the center-left fail to realize, is that they are against capitalism, as much as they are against "fascism".


During the most recent incident, they spray-painted "Skin Biden", and "Sacrifice Bezos" on the walls.

Jovialis
23-01-21, 21:59
I think what a lot of people on the left, especially the center-left fail to realize, is that they are against capitalism, as much as they are against "fascism".


During the most recent incident, they spray-painted "Skin Biden", and "Sacrifice Bezos" on the walls.

They also trashed the first ever Starbucks:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/portland-seattle-biden-protest-antifa-starbucks-democrat-b1790815.html

Angela
24-01-21, 23:39
My son texted me this link.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q1zq5HQc3I

Previously President Biden said they had the vaccines and the strategy to vaccinate 100 million people in 100 days.

My son said, "Isn't there a cognitive disconnect here?"

Here we go again.

Oh, and actually you can change the trajectory in a very short time with vaccinations. Look at Israel. Is it too much to ask that SOMEONE on his new BOARD call them and find out their strategy for quick distribution? Was it their armed forces? Was the vaccine sent to all hospitals? What did they do to get a huge percentage of their over 60 population vaccinated first? A better computer program to get those names from every hospital and doctor? Just being better organized?

Our own armed services have done this repeatedly in other countries. What the hell is everybody waiting for?

If there are production problems say so and put production on war footing. Stop telling us about 100 million doses in 100 days if the stockpile doesn't exist, and stop TALKING about new Boards and Committees and just get it DONE.

etrusco
25-01-21, 12:47
My son texted me this link.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q1zq5HQc3I

Previously President Biden said they had the vaccines and the strategy to vaccinate 100 million people in 100 days.

My son said, "Isn't there a cognitive disconnect here?"

Here we go again.

Oh, and actually you can change the trajectory in a very short time with vaccinations. Look at Israel. Is it too much to ask that SOMEONE on his new BOARD call them and find out their strategy for quick distribution? Was it their armed forces? Was the vaccine sent to all hospitals? What did they do to get a huge percentage of their over 60 population vaccinated first? A better computer program to get those names from every hospital and doctor? Just being better organized?

Our own armed services have done this repeatedly in other countries. What the hell is everybody waiting for?

If there are production problems say so and put production on war footing. Stop telling us about 100 million doses in 100 days if the stockpile doesn't exist, and stop TALKING about new Boards and Committees and just get it DONE.

Well the responsability lies ultimatly in the nut job's administration you had in the last four years. It commenced with MAGA but will remembered very likely with the greatest period of decline in american history. A president that in private conversations ( see the one with Bernstein) recognized that the virus was way more lethal than a normal flu and in public was basically against wearing masks. Two times impeached. Racist as hell.

Jovialis
25-01-21, 13:58
Well the responsability lies ultimatly in the nut job's administration you had in the last four years. It commenced with MAGA but will remembered very likely with the greatest period of decline in american history. A president that in private conversations ( see the one with Bernstein) recognized that the virus was way more lethal than a normal flu and in public was basically against wearing masks. Two times impeached. Racist as hell.

Just wait until civil unrest explodes again, the next time there is some incident involving the police. There will be more riots, and more people spreading the disease, while being cheered on by the liberal-partisan media outlets, and the virus will be magically suspended from existing, for that particular incident. Oh, and that will also not be considered insurrection or terrorism, it is a peaceful protest.

https://i.imgur.com/RhzfdFN.png

Angela
25-01-21, 16:43
Just wait until civil unrest explodes again, the next time there is some incident involving the police. There will be more riots, and more people spreading the disease, while being cheered on by the liberal-partisan media outlets, and the virus will be magically suspended from existing, for that particular incident. Oh, and that will also not be considered insurrection or terrorism, it is a peaceful protest.

https://i.imgur.com/RhzfdFN.png

Exactly right, and we don't have to even wait for that. Did you see the coverage of the rioting in Seattle? Of course, the mainstream media isn't showing it, but it doesn't mean it isn't happening. If that isn't insurrection or domestic terrorism, what is it?

Supposedly a task force is going to be set up to deal with domestic terrorism. I assure you these kinds of events won't be included.

As for ANTIFA's attempting to take over Seattle, how on earth is it Trump's fault now. Biden is now President, yet the "movement" continues. Why can't the Democrats just admit what is going on there and stop it before one of our greatest cities is destroyed?

Yes, Trump lied; Joe Biden is lying now. The proof is coming right out of his own mouth.

Why can't ideologues call out bad behavior, deceit, when they see it? Why can't they call it out no matter what the President or other politician's party? It's the hypocrisy I can't abide.

Biden doesn't have a clue in hell how to handle the Covid situation. Put the production on a wartime footing. The "plans" if you need them are there from World War II. Just do it! Then enable the National Guard and Armed Forces to distribute it at all the hospitals or take over huge venues like sports arenas. STOP freaking talking about setting up new Boards that are composed of the same exact people who were on the Task Force; it's just to make it look like he's doing something. And for Christ's sake, does Congress need to waste time removing a President who is already gone? He's already been impeached twice. The Senate trial is to remove him. HE'S GONE!!! It's not even sane.

Talk about Nero fiddling while Rome burned.

Jovialis
25-01-21, 22:06
Exactly right, and we don't have to even wait for that. Did you see the coverage of the rioting in Seattle? Of course, the mainstream media isn't showing it, but it doesn't mean it isn't happening. If that isn't insurrection or domestic terrorism, what is it?

Supposedly a task force is going to be set up to deal with domestic terrorism. I assure you these kinds of events won't be included.

As for ANTIFA's attempting to take over Seattle, how on earth is it Trump's fault now. Biden is now President, yet the "movement" continues. Why can't the Democrats just admit what is going on there and stop it before one of our greatest cities is destroyed?

Yes, Trump lied; Joe Biden is lying now. The proof is coming right out of his own mouth.

Why can't ideologues call out bad behavior, deceit, when they see it? Why can't they call it out no matter what the President or other politician's party? It's the hypocrisy I can't abide.

Biden doesn't have a clue in hell how to handle the Covid situation. Put the production on a wartime footing. The "plans" if you need them are there from World War II. Just do it! Then enable the National Guard and Armed Forces to distribute it at all the hospitals or take over huge venues like sports arenas. STOP freaking talking about setting up new Boards that are composed of the same exact people who were on the Task Force; it's just to make it look like he's doing something. And for Christ's sake, does Congress need to waste time removing a President who is already gone? He's already been impeached twice. The Senate trial is to remove him. HE'S GONE!!! It's not even sane.

Talk about Nero fiddling while Rome burned.

More riots, this time in Tacoma, Washington:

https://nypost.com/2021/01/25/antifa-smashes-tacoma-in-rampage-over-cop-driving-into-crowd/

Cops tried to break up a street race. The crowd attacked the police, who panicked, and drove forward, injuring one person. As a result , there's rampaging from ANTIFA. They even went down to the local prison, where they demanded that all the inmates be released. What do these people even stand for? Nihilistic stupidity?

Once again, the liberal media channels are silent.

I think in 2 years, there will be a massive backlash against the Democrats, and they will lose the House and Senate.

Jovialis
25-01-21, 23:17
Exactly right, and we don't have to even wait for that. Did you see the coverage of the rioting in Seattle? Of course, the mainstream media isn't showing it, but it doesn't mean it isn't happening. If that isn't insurrection or domestic terrorism, what is it?
Supposedly a task force is going to be set up to deal with domestic terrorism. I assure you these kinds of events won't be included.
As for ANTIFA's attempting to take over Seattle, how on earth is it Trump's fault now. Biden is now President, yet the "movement" continues. Why can't the Democrats just admit what is going on there and stop it before one of our greatest cities is destroyed?
Yes, Trump lied; Joe Biden is lying now. The proof is coming right out of his own mouth.
Why can't ideologues call out bad behavior, deceit, when they see it? Why can't they call it out no matter what the President or other politician's party? It's the hypocrisy I can't abide.
Biden doesn't have a clue in hell how to handle the Covid situation. Put the production on a wartime footing. The "plans" if you need them are there from World War II. Just do it! Then enable the National Guard and Armed Forces to distribute it at all the hospitals or take over huge venues like sports arenas. STOP freaking talking about setting up new Boards that are composed of the same exact people who were on the Task Force; it's just to make it look like he's doing something. And for Christ's sake, does Congress need to waste time removing a President who is already gone? He's already been impeached twice. The Senate trial is to remove him. HE'S GONE!!! It's not even sane.
Talk about Nero fiddling while Rome burned.
Also, it makes sense that Congress only has an approval rating of 15%!

https://www.statista.com/statistics/207579/public-approval-rating-of-the-us-congress/

They're ineffectual blow hards, and the vast majority hate them for it.

Jovialis
26-01-21, 01:11
Gaslighting, and inversion of reality:

Seattle Council, activists pretend Antifa riot didn’t happen

https://mynorthwest.com/2493972/rantz-seattle-council-activists-pretend-antifa-riot-didnt-happen/

Meanwhile Biden Administration actually acknowledges, and condemns the riot!:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-condemns-portland-seattle-riots

Jovialis
26-01-21, 01:30
Hmm, this is the only liberal outlet I see reporting on this, with the same tone of seriousness, as the conservative ones. Perhaps, because it is owned by Jeff Bezos, who probably caught wind that the Antifa people want to "sacrifice" him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/destructive-protests-by-anarchists-and-extremists-signal-divided-left-as-biden-administration-begins/2021/01/23/70f93610-5d8c-11eb-a976-bad6431e03e2_story.html

Jovialis
26-01-21, 01:36
Justin Trudeau is disappointed with Biden over killing the XL Keystone pipeline:

https://news.yahoo.com/trudeau-conveys-keystone-pipeline-disappointment-042710093.html

Angela
26-01-21, 03:07
Justin Trudeau is disappointed with Biden over killing the XL Keystone pipeline:

https://news.yahoo.com/trudeau-conveys-keystone-pipeline-disappointment-042710093.html

Don't be silly, all those people who lost their high paying jobs can go to work in green energy once it's up and running, and they've been trained in that work; say in ten years or so. They can get minimum level unemployment payments for a while to tide them over.

Jovialis
02-02-21, 05:37
The report zeroes in on an array of demographics where Trump suffered decisive reversals in 2020, including among white seniors, the same group that helped to propel him to the White House. The autopsy says that Trump saw the “greatest erosion with white voters, particularly white men,” and that he “lost ground with almost every age group.” In the five states that flipped to Biden, Trump’s biggest drop-off was among voters aged 18-29 and 65 and older.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/01/trump-campaign-autopsy-paints-damning-picture-of-defeat-464636

Interesting article,

I do not think Trump lost due to election fraud. If there were some shenanigans, it probably wouldn't have made a difference. I think the article hits the nail on the head, he lost a lot of the white vote, for various reasons. One being his handling of the coronavirus. Another, less mentioned issue, is that he screwed a lot of middle class people over on their taxes. Many people lost advantageous tax deductions, and ended up paying more. The only people his tax plan helped were millionaires, and billionaires. Of course, there is also demographic change, which is part of the reason why Georgia turned blue.

https://i.imgur.com/hJ4gxpc.png

Jovialis
02-02-21, 15:06
Tbh, I have never heard of Qanon until they were mentioned in the presidential debates. But they sound like they are insane, like anti-vaxxers, and flat-earthers.
If people want to be far-left, that is their right. I just don't support the violence.

Perhaps the Democrats and Republicans should compromise, and eliminate Marjorie Taylor Greene, along with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. I bet the Establishment-Dems would actually go for that, if they could.

If A.O.C. Is So Heavily Favored, Why Has Her Race Drawn $30 Million? - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/24/nyregion/aoc-money-campaign-spending.html)

Jovialis
02-02-21, 15:39
Perhaps the Democrats and Republicans should compromise, and eliminate Marjorie Taylor Greene, along with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. I bet the Establishment-Dems would actually go for that, if they could.

If A.O.C. Is So Heavily Favored, Why Has Her Race Drawn $30 Million? - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/24/nyregion/aoc-money-campaign-spending.html)

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - Campaign Finance Summary • OpenSecrets (https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/alexandria-ocasio-cortez/summary?cid=N00041162&cycle=2020&type=C)

Why is she accepting money from Amazon, and why is Amazon giving her money, if she said this?:

AOC calls Amazon jobs a 'scam' because more than 4,000 of its employees are on food stamps (yahoo.com) (https://news.yahoo.com/aoc-calls-amazon-jobs-scam-095052407.html)

Angela
02-02-21, 16:48
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - Campaign Finance Summary • OpenSecrets (https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/alexandria-ocasio-cortez/summary?cid=N00041162&cycle=2020&type=C)

Why is she accepting money from Amazon, and why is Amazon giving her money, if she said this?:

AOC calls Amazon jobs a 'scam' because more than 4,000 of its employees are on food stamps (yahoo.com) (https://news.yahoo.com/aoc-calls-amazon-jobs-scam-095052407.html)

They're hoping to buy off people like this. She's going to become the Al Sharpton (of Tawala Bawley fame) of her generation and get rich off it.

I remember when it happened and thinking it's impossible a woman would do this to herself for fame or whatever motive; someone must have abused her.

I learned differently. Now, I trust nothing even victims say unless you have actual proof that stands up. Verify, then believe.

Some deluded middle class Democrats, and certainly the establishment would like to get rid of AOC, but the grass roots activists think just like her, and so does most of the black community. The Hispanics are turning.

Jovialis
03-02-21, 04:24
They're hoping to buy off people like this. She's going to become the Al Sharpton (of Tawala Bawley fame) of her generation and get rich off it.

I remember when it happened and thinking it's impossible a woman would do this to herself for fame or whatever motive; someone must have abused her.

I learned differently. Now, I trust nothing even victims say unless you have actual proof that stands up. Verify, then believe.

Some deluded middle class Democrats, and certainly the establishment would like to get rid of AOC, but the grass roots activists think just like her, and so does most of the black community. The Hispanics are turning.

According to opensecrets.org, a lot of her donations came from California. Why are people on the other side of the country influencing NYC politics? Her biggest donor was the University of California. I used to sort of say in jest, that west coast people were destroying true New York sensibilities. Now it is apparent, that some are actively trying to influence our local politics from afar!

Northener
04-02-21, 17:57
Hmm, this is the only liberal outlet I see reporting on this, with the same tone of seriousness, as the conservative ones. Perhaps, because it is owned by Jeff Bezos, who probably caught wind that the Antifa people want to "sacrifice" him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/destructive-protests-by-anarchists-and-extremists-signal-divided-left-as-biden-administration-begins/2021/01/23/70f93610-5d8c-11eb-a976-bad6431e03e2_story.html

Don't become with one eye blind Jovialis, this woman is clearly insane....

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/26/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-democrats-violence/index.html

https://www.vox.com/2021/2/2/22262323/mcconnell-statement-marjorie-taylor-greene-conspiracy-theories-fox-news

But still do the republicans keep her in position....if they would choose to continue this....it's a choice for the 'lunatic right' imo.

Jovialis
04-02-21, 19:47
Schadenfreude

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/31/us/politics/john-weaver-lincoln-project-harassment.html

https://thehill.com/homenews/536677-lincoln-project-co-founder-john-weaver-accused-of-sending-provocative-messages-to

Northener
04-02-21, 19:59
Schadenfreude

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/31/us/politics/john-weaver-lincoln-project-harassment.html

https://thehill.com/homenews/536677-lincoln-project-co-founder-john-weaver-accused-of-sending-provocative-messages-to

Was mann Freude nennt....

All dixit Marjorie Taylor Greene:




9/11 attacks: That one plane didn't crash on the Pentagon at all.


The Death of John F. Kennedy Jr .: Purpose of the Clintons, who wanted to eliminate a political rival.


School shootings in Sandy Hook and Parkland: Play to curb gun ownership.


California wildfires: Caused by space laser co-sponsored by Jewish bankers.


The Government: A "Global Gang of Satan-Worshiping Pedophiles."



:useless:

Jovialis
16-02-21, 21:52
I have a feeling this will go no where for the plaintiffs in the end. It will probably be appealed to up to the Supreme Court, and ultimately dismissed, under the grounds of freedom of speech. But more importantly... who really cares anymore? This is just more political theater, but perhaps they should be more concerned with issues like ending the pandemic.

Congressman, NAACP sue Trump and Giuliani over Capitol riot (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/congressman-naacp-sue-trump-and-giuliani-over-capitol-riot/ar-BB1dJGpD)

Northener
17-02-21, 19:38
I have a feeling this will go no where for the plaintiffs in the end. It will probably be appealed to up to the Supreme Court, and ultimately dismissed, under the grounds of freedom of speech. But more importantly... who really cares anymore? This is just more political theater, but perhaps they should be more concerned with issues like ending the pandemic.

Congressman, NAACP sue Trump and Giuliani over Capitol riot (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/congressman-naacp-sue-trump-and-giuliani-over-capitol-riot/ar-BB1dJGpD)

Of course it does care....this was an attempt to demolize democracy and the democratic proces, fired up by the head of state! I don't see how ypu could turn it to ok incident (shit happens) and the show must go on.

The Republicans had/have a real problem, of course most of them (except the rabiate Trumpist) know that this is not ok (many Republicans themselves were in severe danger Pence, Romney etc) but when they have voted for the impeachment they lost the support of the Trump supporters. That's a political calculation. Only a few had the opinion that the action of Trump on 6 jan were zo outrageous and that this has to be condemned and that this was more important than (short term) political gain or loss.

But the Republican thereby also lost the opportunity to get rid of Trump(ism) when the impeachment was successful his residence in Florida would have been a kind of Elba..... Now the Republicans have to deal with a kind of q-anon, conspiracy theory, authoritarian, lunatic far right section along them. A pain in the ass and IMO in the long run a loosing game....

Jovialis
17-02-21, 20:01
Of course it does care....this was an attempt to demolize democracy and the democratic proces, fired up by the head of state! I don't see how ypu could turn it to ok incident (shit happens) and the show must go on.

The Republicans had/have a real problem, of course most of them (except the rabiate Trumpist) know that this is not ok (many Republicans themselves were in severe danger Pence, Romney etc) but when they have voted for the impeachment they lost the support of the Trump supporters. That's a political calculation. Only a few had the opinion that the action of Trump on 6 jan were zo outrageous and that this has to be condemned and that this was more important than (short term) political gain or loss.

But the Republican thereby also lost the opportunity to get rid of Trump(ism) when the impeachment was successful his residence in Florida would have been a kind of Elba..... Now the Republicans have to deal with a kind of q-anon, conspiracy theory, authoritarian, lunatic far right section along them. A pain in the ass and IMO in the long run a loosing game....

Because what happened at the Capitol pales in comparison to the violence, death and destruction committed by left-wing groups, and democrat supporters in the year leading up to the election. The Democrats, like Pelosi, Maxine Waters, and many others are also instigators of violence and rioting. We are not blind, and deaf.

Northener
17-02-21, 21:30
Because what happened at the Capitol pales in comparison to the violence, death and destruction committed by left-wing groups, and democrat supporters in the year leading up to the election. The Democrats, like Pelosi, Maxine Waters, and many others are also instigators of violence and rioting. We are not blind, and deaf.

Why can't the Capitol riots be seen as such?
Why per definition a kind of "thit for that"?
Sounds to me as a distraction argument....

In the category he is not guilty because they started or the "the other ones", " left wing groups" did even way way worse things (of course stillarguable), does that plea Trump and the Capitol rioters free?....no of course not.

Jovialis
17-02-21, 21:42
Why can't the Capitol riots be seen as such?
Why per definition a kind of "thit for that"?
Sounds to me as a distraction argument....

In the category he is not guilty because they started or the "the other ones", " left wing groups" did even way way worse things (of course stillarguable), does that plea Trump and the Capitol rioters free?....no of course not.

Distraction argument? Are you kidding me? Maybe you do not see the same stories being covered, where you are.

I personally thought it was disgusting that they compared it to 9/11! I saw 9/11 happen with my own eyes, over 3,000 people died that day. Just because those lickspittle cowards in the Capitol had to crawl on the floor like the worms that they are, doesn't mean they can compare it to what happened that day in 2001. PLEASE!

Was it not the rhetoric of the left that lead a DEMOCRAT shooter to try to kill several Republican senators at a baseball game? Was it not the rhetoric of the left, that led a man to kill 6 police officers in Texas, in 2016 at at BLM protest? Was it not the rhetoric of the left, that led to ANTIFA rioting in the streets of several U.S. Cities.

My biggest disappointment in Trump was that he did nothing to really stop the violence from these extremists. Because politized courts and AGs did not want to prosecute them! What a miscarriage of justice.

FYI, I don't condone what was done at the capitol, but if that is the only incident you can pick from, I can point to 100 more from the other side. But I know that it will not make a difference, because these people want to win, by hook or by crook.

All in all, the point is, if you are going to condemn Trump for his rhetoric, you must equally condemn the rhetoric from Democrats, which also creates violence, at a much higher frequency, and severity. But I do not think either should be done, for the sake of our own freedom. Thus I say, "Who cares".

Northener
17-02-21, 22:02
Distraction argument? Are you kidding me? Maybe you do not see the same stories being covered, where you are.

I personally thought it was disgusting that they compared it to 9/11! I saw 9/11 happen with my own eyes, over 3,000 people died that day. Just because those lickspittle cowards in the Capitol had to crawl on the floor like the worms that they are, doesn't mean you can compare it to what happened that day in 2001. PLEASE! You have no idea of what you are talking about.

Was it not the rhetoric of the left that lead a DEMOCRAT shooter to try to kill several Republican senators at a baseball game? Was it not the rhetoric of the left, that led a man to kill 6 police officers in Texas, in 2016 at at BLM protest? Was it not the rhetoric of the left, that led to ANTIFA rioting in the streets of several U.S. Cities.

My biggest disappointment in Trump was that he did nothing to really stop the violence from these extremists. Because politized courts and AGs did not want to prosecute them! What a miscarriage of justice.

FYI, I don't condone what was done at the capitol, but if that is the only incident you can pick from, I can point to 100 more from the other side. But I know that it will not make a difference, because these people want to win, by hook or by crook.

The point is that whatever other "extremists" did this doesn't plea Trump and the Capitol rioters free. So who is kidding who?

Jovialis
17-02-21, 22:06
The point is that whatever other "extremists" did this doesn't plea Trump and the Capitol rioters free. So who is kidding who?

I think the people that invaded the Capitol should be put in prison, no doubt. Stealing government documents, and computers, as well as entering offices of public officials is just simply insane. If anything, they created the pretext for which the Democrats are now going to use to crush their political opponents. They were played like useful idiots, for the other side. The whole Q-anon garbage is not representative of the 75,000,000 people that voted for him. Like I said back thread, I haven't even heard of them, until the presidential debates.

Northener
17-02-21, 22:07
Distraction argument? Are you kidding me? Maybe you do not see the same stories being covered, where you are.

I personally thought it was disgusting that they compared it to 9/11! I saw 9/11 happen with my own eyes, over 3,000 people died that day. Just because those lickspittle cowards in the Capitol had to crawl on the floor like the worms that they are, doesn't mean you can compare it to what happened that day in 2001. PLEASE! You have no idea of what you are talking about.

Was it not the rhetoric of the left that lead a DEMOCRAT shooter to try to kill several Republican senators at a baseball game? Was it not the rhetoric of the left, that led a man to kill 6 police officers in Texas, in 2016 at at BLM protest? Was it not the rhetoric of the left, that led to ANTIFA rioting in the streets of several U.S. Cities.

My biggest disappointment in Trump was that he did nothing to really stop the violence from these extremists. Because politized courts and AGs did not want to prosecute them! What a miscarriage of justice.

FYI, I don't condone what was done at the capitol, but if that is the only incident you can pick from, I can point to 100 more from the other side. But I know that it will not make a difference, because these people want to win, by hook or by crook.

And by the way the Capitol rioter fueled by Trump and Guilani c.s. don't fall in the left-right scheme, it was aimed at the corner stone of a parliamentary democracy itself: the Senate! And not only the Democratic senators but also Republicans including "betrayer" Pence etc.

Jovialis
17-02-21, 22:11
And by the way the Capitol rioter fueled by Trump and Guilani c.s. don't fall in the left-right scheme, it was aimed at the corner stone of a parliamentary democracy itself: the Senate! And not only the Democratic senators but also Republicans including "betrayer" Pence etc.

I find this argument about "protecting democracy" to be so sanctimonious. Do you think liberals would be speaking about the virtues of democracy, in the past? Do you honestly think that something like the Civil Rights act would have been passed by popular demand at the beginning of the Republic?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

Northener
17-02-21, 22:15
I think the people that invaded the Capitol should be put in prison, no doubt. Stealing government documents, and computers, as well as entering offices of public officials is just simply insane. If anything, they created the pretext for which the Democrats are now going to used to crash their political opponents. They were played like useful idiots, for the other side. The whole Q-anon garbage is not representative of the 75,000,000 people that voted for him. Like I said back thread, I haven't even heard of them, until the presidential debates.

The fact is that some q-anon adepts are indeed sworn in as representative (called senator).

And it's not only the factual thing stealing ets. This is more than that, it has a kind of symbolic effect. It tried t to hit democracy and the democratic proces (the final proces in the presidential election) in the heart. It was a kamikaze attack on the democracy.....and the mastermind(s)of that must be held responsible for that. It's more than a 'simple' crime....(stealing documents or computers).

Jovialis
17-02-21, 22:20
The fact is that some q-anon adepts are indeed sworn in as representative (called senator).

And it's not only the factual thing stealing ets. This is more than that, it has a kind of symbolic effect. It tried t to hit democracy and the democratic proces (the final proces in the presidential election) in the heart. It was a kamikaze attack on the democracy.....and the mastermind(s)of that must be held responsible for that. It's more than a 'simple' crime....(stealing documents or computers).

Democrats have historically used election stealing/suppression rhetoric in the past as well, such as claiming that voter ID laws are discriminatory. Why?

Even Canada requires people to present an ID to vote:

https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e

Again, if you want to put Trump and Giuliani in prison, they should be sitting along side Pelosi, Schumer, and other Democrats too. Both have incited violence.

Northener
17-02-21, 22:22
I find this argument about "protecting democracy" to be so sanctimonious. Do you think liberals would be speaking about the virtues of democracy, in the past? Do you honestly think that something like the Civil Rights act would have been passed by popular demand at the beginning of the Republic?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

Speaking as an European liberal has a different meaning than in you country (liberals are found among left and right). IMO: yes every 'liberal' that organizes an attack on parliament and tries to stop the democratic proces of that moment in parliament stops being liberal.

Such a person of group has become: anti-liberal.

Jovialis
17-02-21, 22:25
Speaking as an European liberal has a different meaning than in your country (liberals are found among left and right). IMO: yes every 'liberal' that acted and organize an attack on parliament and tries to stop the democratic proces of that moment in parliament stops being liberal.

Such a person of group has become: anti-liberal.

Than let me bring up an example that would be more relevant, Adolf Hitler was democratically elected. If you were to go back in time to stop it, I guess it would make you an anti-liberal.

Northener
17-02-21, 22:29
Than let me bring up an example that would be more relevant, Adolf Hitler was democratically elected. If you were to go back in time to stop it, I guess it would make you an anti-liberal.

Indeed Hitler was democratic elected. But a democratic system is more than that. After he was elected he eliminated the "liberal democratic system".

Jovialis
17-02-21, 22:35
Indeed Hitler was democratic elected. But a democratic system is more than that. After he was elected he eliminated the "liberal democratic system".

What do you think the Democrats would try to do, if they could? You don't think they would like to stay in power, and win elections for all time? These people want to win so bad, that they brazenly reject logic and reason, when it is inconvenient. The ends justify the means, in their minds. I am not saying the GOP wouldn't do the same, btw.

Northener
17-02-21, 22:41
Than let me bring up an example that would be more relevant, Adolf Hitler was democratically elected. If you were to go back in time to stop it, I guess it would make you an anti-liberal.

So the lesson is: this makes liberal democracy vulnerable!
Elected leaders that lack, betray or trample the democratic institutions must taken in account for this and not maintain a luxury life on the golf court somewhere in Florida.

Northener
17-02-21, 22:52
What do you think the Democrats would try to do, if they could? You don't think they would like to stay in power, and win elections for all time? These people want to win so bad, that they brazenly reject logic and reason, when it is inconvenient. The ends justify the means, in their minds. I am not saying the GOP wouldn't do the same, btw.

There is no reason and no evidence that a Democratic presidential candidate would not respect the outcome of a democratic vote and even less fuel a mob to riot in parliament!

So this is pure speculative Jovialis.

So face the facts the only one who undertook that kind of actions was Donald J. Trump no one else.....

Jovialis
17-02-21, 22:57
democracy vulnerable!

I think Aristotle was right to say politics is a never ending cycle:

https://i.imgur.com/CgBds3S.png
Ironically for today, democracy was the word he used to describe the corruption of the rule of many. Polity was the virtuous version of it.

https://i.imgur.com/soA29MG.png

The real lesson is, nothing lasts forever.

Northener
17-02-21, 23:28
I think Aristotle was right to say politics is a never ending cycle:

https://i.imgur.com/CgBds3S.png
Ironically for today, democracy was the word he used to describe the corruption of the rule of many. Polity was the virtuous version of it.

https://i.imgur.com/soA29MG.png

The real lesson is, nothing lasts forever.

The last one is true (I'm historian after all ;).
And that is why a "representative democratic system" is more preferable, that was in 'our form' unknown to Aristotle.
Trump(ism) is tout court the perversion of it, mob rule in the Capitol.
Aristotle 2.0....

Jovialis
17-02-21, 23:39
The last one is true (I'm historian after all ;).
And that is why a "representative democratic system" is more preferable, that was in 'our form' unknown to Aristotle.
Trump(ism) is tout court the perversion of it, mob rule in the Capitol.
Aristotle 2.0....

Well I would say the dynamic of billionaires makes it more like the de facto rule of few. Especially since money equals speech, they also make big donations; they are king-makers. That speech they wield, via newspapers, social media, etc. is used to galvanize the masses to achieve their ends... They also have the power to take away speech, by de-platforming people. They took away a sitting president's speech. Perhaps our system is truly an oligarchy. So maybe it is not so different, and more the natural cycle of politics for the mob, and less about Trump. Even Aristotle could see it, all the way back from ancient history.

Northener
18-02-21, 09:33
Well I would say the dynamic of billionaires makes it more like the de facto rule of few. Especially since money equals speech, they also make big donations; they are king-makers. That speech they wield, via newspapers, social media, etc. is used to galvanize the masses to achieve their ends... They also have the power to take away speech, by de-platforming people. They took away a sitting president's speech. Perhaps our system is truly an oligarchy. So maybe it is not so different, and more the natural cycle of politics for the mob, and less about Trump. Even Aristotle could see it, all the way back from ancient history.

Indeed 'populist' as Trump pretend to speak on behalve of 'the people', may be Aristotle (beamed up) would see him as a Tyran:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrant

But oligarchy would you state the US and Russia are going to resemble each other?

Angela
18-02-21, 15:42
Well I would say the dynamic of billionaires makes it more like the de facto rule of few. Especially since money equals speech, they also make big donations; they are king-makers. That speech they wield, via newspapers, social media, etc. is used to galvanize the masses to achieve their ends... They also have the power to take away speech, by de-platforming people. They took away a sitting president's speech. Perhaps our system is truly an oligarchy. So maybe it is not so different, and more the natural cycle of politics for the mob, and less about Trump. Even Aristotle could see it, all the way back from ancient history.

I don't think we're quite there yet, thanks to our Founding Fathers, who institutionalized a divided government, created the Senate as well as the House, and set up the Electoral College, as well as instituting the Bill of Rights enshrining the rights of free speech and assembly.

As you know, all have come under assault from the far left: calls to increase the number of judges on the Supreme Court, the so-called "court packing"; calls to get rid of the Senate and also to end representative democracy by calling for national referendums on all legislation, perhaps electronically; demands for legislation to repeal the Electoral College, and the attacks on free speech which started on college campuses has spread to encompass all of the media, as I know you're aware. The number of people who in a short time have changed their opinions on the absoluteness of free speech is frightening.

The calls are even more fervent now that we have a Democratic President.

Let's see if it moves to proposed legislation or he holds it at bay.

Jovialis
18-02-21, 15:55
I don't think we're quite there yet, thanks to our Founding Fathers, who institutionalized a divided government, created the Senate as well as the House, and set up the Electoral College, as well as instituting the Bill of Rights enshrining the rights of free speech and assembly.

As you know, all have come under assault from the far left: calls to increase the number of judges on the Supreme Court, the so-called "court packing"; calls to get rid of the Senate and also to end representative democracy by calling for national referendums on all legislation, perhaps electronically; demands for legislation to repeal the Electoral College, and the attacks on free speech which started on college campuses has spread to encompass all of the media, as I know you're aware. The number of people who in a short time have changed their opinions on the absoluteness of free speech is frightening.

The calls are even more fervent now that we have a Democratic President.

Let's see if it moves to proposed legislation or he holds it at bay.

It reminds me of a quote from Ben Franklin:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

The sanctimonious platitudes coming from these left-wing nuts is nauseating, to say the least.

I bet all of those ANTIFA morons that recently rioted in the Northwest are actually facing real penalties. Now, that they went against the regime that was playing them like useful idiots for the past few years.

Northener
18-02-21, 20:13
I don't think we're quite there yet, thanks to our Founding Fathers, who institutionalized a divided government, created the Senate as well as the House, and set up the Electoral College, as well as instituting the Bill of Rights enshrining the rights of free speech and assembly.

As you know, all have come under assault from the far left: calls to increase the number of judges on the Supreme Court, the so-called "court packing"; calls to get rid of the Senate and also to end representative democracy by calling for national referendums on all legislation, perhaps electronically; demands for legislation to repeal the Electoral College, and the attacks on free speech which started on college campuses has spread to encompass all of the media, as I know you're aware. The number of people who in a short time have changed their opinions on the absoluteness of free speech is frightening.

The calls are even more fervent now that we have a Democratic President.

Let's see if it moves to proposed legislation or he holds it at bay.

You are always for clear text:if there is one person who betrayed and trampled the trias politica, the US democratic institutions, who said there was election fraud without any evidence, who fired up a riot of a violent mob that threatened the Senate it was the former president DJ Trump. That man should have held responsible for his pervasive deeds.

Northener
18-02-21, 20:20
It reminds me of a quote from Ben Franklin:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

The sanctimonious platitudes coming from these left-wing nuts is nauseating, to say the least.

I bet all of those ANTIFA morons that recently rioted in the Northwest are actually facing real penalties. Now, that they went against the regime that was playing them like useful idiots for the past few years.

I don't see the connection with Joe Biden, If I'm well when his inauguration occurred Antifa demolished a Democratic headquarter in Portland.
They are not like the Proud Boys 'of' Trump.....

Salento
04-03-21, 02:00
'Neanderthal Thinking:' ... President Biden said,

... obviously he’s clueless :)

... some of us think as the Neanderthals,

... if someone calls you a Neanderthal, you can think of it as a compliment! ...

https://i.imgur.com/Hp03eVU.jpg

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/39812-Neanderthals-buried-their-dead?p=601967&viewfull=1#post601967


https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/973414135/neanderthal-thinking-biden-says-too-soon-for-states-to-lift-mask-mandates

Jovialis
04-03-21, 03:29
^^Kind of crazy how the service was abruptly cancelled. I can't see my results anymore.

Salento
04-03-21, 03:45
^^Kind of crazy how the service was abruptly cancelled. I can't see my results anymore.


I still have the old Insitome app on my iPhone, and I can still partially view my results because they are still in the memory cache.

Duarte
04-03-21, 16:41
'Neanderthal Thinking:' ... President Biden said,

... obviously he’s clueless :)

... some of us think as the Neanderthals,

... if someone calls you a Neanderthal, you can think of it as a compliment! ...

https://i.imgur.com/Hp03eVU.jpg

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/39812-Neanderthals-buried-their-dead?p=601967&viewfull=1#post601967


https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/973414135/neanderthal-thinking-biden-says-too-soon-for-states-to-lift-mask-mandates

Some of my
Neanderthal test results:

https://i.imgur.com/soWXHlV.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/Hfm1RgT.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/Cm1BSoD.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/fO2fq8K.jpg



:thinking::shocked::petrified:

** PS: ‘The material culture of Neanderthals, called Musterian culture, was sophisticated in many ways. In addition to tools, they also used fire, were good hunters and would already take care of the sick. There are even those who recognize aesthetic and spiritual resources similar to the current man, such as those revealed in their graves, despite being seen in the popular imagination as a rude and unintelligent being. He was more physically robust than today's man and had a more bulky brain.

The brain of Homo sapiens sapiens has an average size of 1 400 cm³, while that of Neanderthals was about 1 600 cm³. Relative progress in prehistoric archeology and paleoanthropology, after the 1960s, describes him as a being of culture, eventually underestimated by some.’

Salento
04-03-21, 17:34
Some of my
Neanderthal test results:

https://i.imgur.com/soWXHlV.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/Hfm1RgT.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/Cm1BSoD.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/fO2fq8K.jpg



:thinking::shocked::petrified:





20% of Neanderthal genes are shared at ~ 0 to 3% ratio by Modern Humans.

:thinking: The Neanderthals were more successful than the Tribes of my Y Haplogroup.
... we hardly crack 5% Worldwide, if even that, :petrified: lol

https://i.imgur.com/DzlldVv.jpg

Northener
04-03-21, 18:11
'Neanderthal Thinking:' ... President Biden said,

... obviously he’s clueless :)

... some of us think as the Neanderthals,

... if someone calls you a Neanderthal, you can think of it as a compliment! ...

https://i.imgur.com/Hp03eVU.jpg

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/39812-Neanderthals-buried-their-dead?p=601967&viewfull=1#post601967


https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/973414135/neanderthal-thinking-biden-says-too-soon-for-states-to-lift-mask-mandates

We know Salento we know.....even without your remembrance we all are aware of it.....:grin:

#proud #boys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQo1HIcSVtg

Salento
04-03-21, 18:49
We know Salento we know.....even without your remembrance we all are aware of it.....:grin:

#proud #boys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQo1HIcSVtg

I'm not associated with the Proud Boys.

... If you listen to me carefully, you'll learn the reality of things !

don’t be shy, ... you can thank me :)

Northener
04-03-21, 20:02
I'm not associated with the Proud Boys.

... If you listen to me carefully, you'll learn the reality of things !

don’t be shy, ... you can thank me :)

Thanks Salento!:heart:

Salento
04-03-21, 20:10
Thanks Salento!:heart:

... anytime !

Angela
04-03-21, 23:47
America saying a LOUD you know what to the WOKE cancel movement. Thank goodness, I don't have to rebuy. I saved them all for my children's children.

"This week, Dr. Seuss Enterprises announced that six books penned by the children's author will no longer be published (https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/02/us/dr-seuss-books-cease-publication-trnd/index.html) because of the "hurtful and wrong" ways characters of color are portrayed.Now, Dr. Seuss books have soared to the top of Amazon's bestseller list, occupying nine out of the marketplace's top 10 books.
No. 1? "The Cat in the Hat," followed by "One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish" and "Oh, the Places You'll Go!"

CNN News.

Jovialis
12-03-21, 03:35
I have to say, when it comes to handling the vaccine rollout, Biden is doing a good job. I hope that with prosperity, and return to normalcy,
maybe people will ignore the woke propaganda from twitter. It is a ridiculous ideology of devisivness. I hope the post-covid era is a happy time of celebration.

Northener
28-03-21, 08:47
The greatest democracy on earth.....


One of the most controversial reforms is a ban on volunteers giving water bottles to voters who can be force to wait in line for hours in the southern state.


How can we prevent "certain" people to vote......

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/sick-despicable-joe-biden-blasts-republicans-move-to-tighten-voting-rules-in-georgia

matty74
28-03-21, 10:45
The states are handling the vaccine rollouts. As for the woke propaganda, it's amazing but hardly surprising at how effective social media is when it comes to promulgating GroupThink on a mass scale. Independent or clear thought has become discouraged in our society. This is especially endemic amongst the younger generation that has known nothing but prosperity and convenience.

Jovialis
28-03-21, 12:03
The states are handling the vaccine rollouts. As for the woke propaganda, it's amazing but hardly surprising at how effective social media is when it comes to promulgating GroupThink on a mass scale. Independent or clear thought has become discouraged in our society. This is especially endemic amongst the younger generation that has known nothing but prosperity and convenience.

I have spent a lot of time thinking about this. I feel as though the woke propaganda is a real struggle for me to ever want to embrace Democrat leadership. Though at most, I would say Biden is a corporatist that is merely paying lip-service to the liberal base of his party. If anything, he can probably clamp down on direct action from left-wing groups, harder than a Republican, since he seemingly champions liberal causes. Plus the media will mostly ignore unfavorable press for him, so there will not be as much rabble rousing. The big companies have their man in the white house.

Northener
28-03-21, 14:25
The states are handling the vaccine rollouts. As for the woke propaganda, it's amazing but hardly surprising at how effective social media is when it comes to promulgating GroupThink on a mass scale. Independent or clear thought has become discouraged in our society. This is especially endemic amongst the younger generation that has known nothing but prosperity and convenience.

Related to the topic be relieved that there is a president who faces the corona crises, not denying it, not giving weird medicine advice etc etc.....and does what is in his ability to roll it back.

Angela
28-03-21, 16:42
I have spent a lot of time thinking about this. I feel as though the woke propaganda is a real struggle for me to ever want to embrace Democrat leadership. Though at most, I would say Biden is a corporatist that is merely paying lip-service to the liberal base of his party. If anything, he can probably clamp down on direct action from left-wing groups, harder than a Republican, since he seemingly champions liberal causes. Plus the media will mostly ignore unfavorable press for him, so there will not be as much rabble rousing. The big companies have their man in the white house.

How can you trust Biden to do anything? He's completely gaga. I watched the press conference live from beginning to end because I knew the mainstream media would edit it. I felt sorry for him, truly. He stopped, said a string of nonsense words, said something like "whatever", and "we'll take care of it" and asked for another question. He's reading prepared answers to questions, and so the answers are just platitudes that don't address the specifics of the questions.

Two days after or something, he stops while walking to answer some reporter's question, answers half of it, stops, gets a blank look on his face and then walks away.

I had an aunt who had Alzheimer's; you don't need to have a medical degree to know he's in the beginning stages. It frightens the hell out of me; it's like we're on a rudderless ship.

Who is pulling the strings? That's what I want to know? I don't think it's Kamala Harris; the inner circle is pushing her away.

They better start doing a better job of it.

More children are in "cages" at the border by multiples than when Trump was in office. Yet I don't here the media saying Biden is a monster. It's utter chaos down there. There's real danger the border will collapse if they don't do something. The crowds trying to cross are at the highest levels in years. Even a compliant media has had to start addressing it finally, because too many people have phones and video cameras and are posting it all on line.

Or what about the crime rate, especially the homicide rate? It's approaching 1990 levels, all while the population of young men is decreasing. I said it was going to happen and it is. Drugs are starting to flood back in to young people. I know a lot of prosecutors and they've said the police are inundated, and to be honest they're not rushing to go back into the inner city areas. Who can blame them? I said it would happen and it is.

Then, look at the power grabs in the Congress. They're going to get rid of the filibuster and try packing the Supreme Court like FDR did. We haven't had tyranny by one political party precisely because of the installed of certain checks on that power The balance of power is in danger.

Then there's the schools and what's coming out of the Department of Education. It's all woke b.s.

I honestly don't see what there is to be hopeful about...

Also, if one more person tells me he's doing a good job about COVID I may barf. Most people have extremely porous memories. The vaccines were not developed on his watch. The doses to vaccinate 100 million people in 100 days to which he's laying claim had already been produced and plans were already in place for their distribution before he became president. Plus, people seem to be completely ignorant of the ramifications of the fact that we are a Democratic REPUBLIC! The federal government is not organizing the distribution of the vaccine in the states. Each state gets a delivery of vaccine and then figures out to whom and how to distribute them. That's why the results vary so much by state. Cuomo has done a half-assed job. DeSantis of Florida has done a great job.

Jesus, almost everybody needs to go back and take CIVICS 101 so they remember how our system of government works. It's like during Katrina when people were screaming about where were all the FEMA people. FEMA is an administrative agency with a hundred or so employees or something; it's not the freaking Red Cross or the National Guard. Wake up, PEOPLE! Inform yourselves.

Jovialis
28-03-21, 17:55
How can you trust Biden to do anything? He's completely gaga. I watched the press conference live from beginning to end because I knew the mainstream media would edit it. I felt sorry for him, truly. He stopped, said a string of nonsense words, said something like "whatever", and "we'll take care of it" and asked for another question. He's reading prepared answers to questions, and so the answers are just platitudes that don't address the specifics of the questions.
Two days after or something, he stops while walking to answer some reporter's question, answers half of it, stops, gets a blank look on his face and then walks away.
I had an aunt who had Alzheimer's; you don't need to have a medical degree to know he's in the beginning stages. It frightens the hell out of me; it's like we're on a rudderless ship.
Who is pulling the strings? That's what I want to know? I don't think it's Kamala Harris; the inner circle is pushing her away.
They better start doing a better job of it.
More children are in "cages" at the border by multiples than when Trump was in office. Yet I don't here the media saying Biden is a monster. It's utter chaos down there. There's real danger the border will collapse if they don't do something. The crowds trying to cross are at the highest levels in years. Even a compliant media has had to start addressing it finally, because too many people have phones and video cameras and are posting it all on line.
Or what about the crime rate, especially the homicide rate? It's approaching 1990 levels, all while the population of young men is decreasing. I said it was going to happen and it is. Drugs are starting to flood back in to young people. I know a lot of prosecutors and they've said the police are inundated, and to be honest they're not rushing to go back into the inner city areas. Who can blame them? I said it would happen and it is.
Then, look at the power grabs in the Congress. They're going to get rid of the filibuster and try packing the Supreme Court like FDR did. We haven't had tyranny by one political party precisely because of the installed of certain checks on that power The balance of power is in danger.
Then there's the schools and what's coming out of the Department of Education. It's all woke b.s.
I honestly don't see what there is to be hopeful about...
Also, if one more person tells me he's doing a good job about COVID I may barf. Most people have extremely porous memories. The vaccines were not developed on his watch. The doses to vaccinate 100 million people in 100 days to which he's laying claim had already been produced and plans were already in place for their distribution before he became president. Plus, people seem to be completely ignorant of the ramifications of the fact that we are a Democratic REPUBLIC! The federal government is not organizing the distribution of the vaccine in the states. Each state gets a delivery of vaccine and then figures out to whom and how to distribute them. That's why the results vary so much by state. Cuomo has done a half-assed job. DeSantis of Florida has done a great job.
Jesus, almost everybody needs to go back and take CIVICS 101 so they remember how our system of government works. It's like during Katrina when people were screaming about where were all the FEMA people. FEMA is an administrative agency with a hundred or so employees or something; it's not the freaking Red Cross or the National Guard. Wake up, PEOPLE! Inform yourselves.

Come on, just because I said one positive thing about Biden doesn't mean I need to go back to Civics 101. I know the states are handling vaccine roll out directly, and part of the reason why DeSantis is doing well is because him and Biden have a similar view on how it should be dispensed. Which was to try to get past all of these convoluted groups, and just get people vaccinated who wanted it. Whether or not Biden's influence has had any bearing on the roll out, I guess I can't say for sure. So maybe I was just a bit enthusiastic about the possible end of the pandemic. Regardless, as someone who supported Trump, I can tell you the Coronavirus is what his presidency died on, because of his mixed-signals, regarding masks, the severity of the virus, etc. Yes, operation warp speed was a success. I took the Pfizer vaccine developed under him. But he really messed things up for himself.

Angela
28-03-21, 20:10
Come on, just because I said one positive thing about Biden doesn't mean I need to go back to Civics 101. I know the states are handling vaccine roll out directly, and part of the reason why DeSantis is doing well is because him and Biden have a similar view on how it should be dispensed. Which was to try to get past all of these convoluted groups, and just get people vaccinated who wanted it. Whether or not Biden's influence has had any bearing on the roll out, I guess I can't say for sure. So maybe I was just a bit enthusiastic about the possible end of the pandemic. Regardless, as someone who supported Trump, I can tell you the Coronavirus is what his presidency died on, because of his mixed-signals, regarding masks, the severity of the virus, etc. Yes, operation warp speed was a success. I took the Pfizer vaccine developed under him. But he really screwed himself, in the end.

Oh, I wasn't addressing you, Jovialis. I didn't see anything about Biden and covid virus in that last post of yours. If you did say it, I didn't read the post or forgot about it. I was mainly addressing non-Americans who don't know how our system works.

Completely agree that the optics of Trump's handling of the virus, and his own stupid comments were a large part of what did him in. A lot of it was, I think, resentment that all his good results, most importantly, to him, the improvement of the economy, was going to be destroyed by the shut downs. Then, his ridiculous refusal to wear the mask because, what, it wasn't masculine, or it was cowardly just completely rubbed people the wrong way. The fact remains that the major part of the plan was all in place before Biden ever became President, and so far as I know all the governors still have the leeway to distribute it as they see fit. I don't think the administration has anything to do with it. In fact, Florida isn't following the task force guidelines in terms of eligibility. They decided to do the elderly fist, which was a wise move. It brought the death rate down right away. They've also brought it down to the local county level as to the best way to distribute it.

The ones who have completely mishandled the vaccine situation are the Europeans, except for the British.

Jovialis
28-03-21, 20:13
No worries, I figured that could have been the case. :)

Northener
28-03-21, 20:45
No worries, I figured that could have been the case. :)

Nevertheless your answer was pretty good! 👍🏻

Northener
28-03-21, 20:53
We don't have a need for a lecture in 'government structure' of the US, I know the headlines....

The point is that a president, even more in the US than in Europe, 'can make the difference' although he is not directly responsible for implementation (and that governors play a big part in it).

Palermo Trapani
28-03-21, 21:15
Angela:

I think former President Obama is pulling the strings, along with all of his team that was there when Biden was VP.

Northener
29-03-21, 10:12
Angela:

I think former President Obama is pulling the strings, along with all of his team that was there when Biden was VP.

Sounds not weird in that sense that Biden was VP in the Obama years. My impression from over the sea is that Biden has taken more initiatives in the first 100 days than average for new presidents (so not sleepy Joe) and most of all some sense of decency is back in the White House.

Just an impression of an European.....

Palermo Trapani
29-03-21, 15:56
Northerner: Thanks, I think it makes sense (again at least to me! as I said it). I don't know who is Biden's National Security Council team as most of them have not been approved. My guess is Susan Rice is the one doing the major lifting there (again part of Obama's NSC). I think the Attorney General got approved last week, Garland, who was President Obama's pick to replace in my view, the late, great Judge Scalia for the US Supreme Court.

Angela
29-03-21, 15:59
It is PROFOUNDLY undemocratic for unknown, unelected people to be running this country.

I am seriously worried about the future. When Wilson was so terribly ill his wife hid it from almost everyone and virtually ran the country herself for some time. That was a disgrace, but here we're talking about FOUR years, and we also have things like nuclear codes.

Btw his cheat sheet is in 14 point type and he still can't read it half the time. If it weren't so tragic it would be funny.

Palermo Trapani
29-03-21, 17:49
It is PROFOUNDLY undemocratic for unknown, unelected people to be running this country.

I am seriously worried about the future. When Wilson was so terribly ill his wife hid it from almost everyone and virtually ran the country herself for some time. That was a disgrace, but here we're talking about FOUR years, and we also have things like nuclear codes.

Btw his cheat sheet is in 14 point type and he still can't read it half the time. If it weren't so tragic it would be funny.

I agree 100% it is undemocratic. But ole Joe is not all there or here, etc, He was a front person for the DEMS to win, Warren or Harris would not have won. Black vote and other Minorities did not support either in the DEM primaries and would not have come out for the National election. Biden had Obama's imprimatur since he was his VP for 8 years. The DEMS best way to somewhat bring back the Obama coalition to defeat Trump, even though Joe is not running the country. He is a Figure head, in my view.

Northener
29-03-21, 17:59
It is PROFOUNDLY undemocratic for unknown, unelected people to be running this country.

I am seriously worried about the future. When Wilson was so terribly ill his wife hid it from almost everyone and virtually ran the country herself for some time. That was a disgrace, but here we're talking about FOUR years, and we also have things like nuclear codes.

Btw his cheat sheet is in 14 point type and he still can't read it half the time. If it weren't so tragic it would be funny.

The task is indeed big! No doubt....but was there a time when the challenges were easy!?

Indeed Wilson well that's a while ago and still the US is still alive and kicking. So no reason for panic.

Good leadership is may be knowing your own limits, and I guess that Biden knows that.

About the challenges for him? (not from woke or the left but from The Economist):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjVc32sOlWs