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Angela
24-04-21, 16:13
https://i.imgur.com/hsTfQct.png

Gauls_Belgae were similar to northern French and Belgians.



Of course, this makes no sense historically. Your other effort with Iron Age Italians makes more sense, but still the distances are pretty far for a lot of provinces, not just the ones populated by foreigners, like Aosta, Friuli and Trentino.

Italian population genetics is too complicated for this kind of two way analysis.

Maciamo
24-04-21, 22:52
I have added:

- Iron Age Denmark => closest to modern Danes
- Iron Age Sweden => closest to modern Swedes
- Iron Age Norway => closest to modern Norwegians

All from the Margaryan 2020 study. Looks like the Scandinavians haven't changed much genetically in the last 2000 years.

I have also added new samples Iron Age Britons (+2) and Anglo-Saxons (+1).

I am working on the Vikings from Oxford and Dorset now. This should tell us how much intermingling there was with the English by the 10th century.

bigsnake49
25-04-21, 02:51
A lot of what I see does not make sense from a historical point of view in that it's mixing Chalcolithic and medieval populations. Now I might be exaggerating a bit but you just can't mix populations from different periods.

Duarte
25-04-21, 03:21
A lot of what I see does not make sense from a historical point of view in that it's mixing Chalcolithic and medieval populations. Now I might be exaggerating a bit but you just can't mix populations from different periods.

@[email protected]

In a more stricto point of view, I plenty agree with you. In a link disclosed in a Jovialis’ post (see next) in this thread, Maciamo do the separation by era, that allows us to visualize the distance that separate each one of us from the various populations grouped by era.

1) Dodecad K12b coordinates: Epipaleolithic to Chacolithic2) Dodecad K12b coordinates: Bronze Age3) Dodecad K12b coordinates: Iron Age & Early Antiquity4) Dodecad K12b coordinates: Late Antiquity & Middle Ages
@Maciamo

https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/ancient_ethnicities_analyzer.shtml

Excellent work on the new information page! I am just seeing it this morning.

Salento
25-04-21, 03:34
... second to last: the new Iron-Age Norway :)

https://i.imgur.com/IW5n8OB.gif

Northener
25-04-21, 07:44
... second to last: the new Iron-Age Norway :)

https://i.imgur.com/IW5n8OB.gif

I see mostly Neolithic Farmer with some elevated Hunter Gatherer.....

Or may be more accurate some kind of 'North European' (10%) introgression into mostly 'Southern European'(90%).

Or just a usual mix from someone from Southern Italy?

Northener
25-04-21, 09:08
North Dutch have a preference for Brittonic + Estonian Iron Age (also in the two way).
https://i.postimg.cc/Jt1wDTrq/Schermafbeelding-2021-04-25-om-08-42-54.png (https://postimg.cc/Jt1wDTrq)

https://i.postimg.cc/grw76f93/Schermafbeelding-2021-04-25-om-09-28-24.png (https://postimg.cc/grw76f93)

And most close to Iron Age Denmark.
https://i.postimg.cc/v1RkQh25/Schermafbeelding-2021-04-25-om-08-37-56.png (https://postimg.cc/v1RkQh25)

Northener
25-04-21, 09:47
I have added:

- Iron Age Denmark => closest to modern Danes
- Iron Age Sweden => closest to modern Swedes
- Iron Age Norway => closest to modern Norwegians

All from the Margaryan 2020 study. Looks like the Scandinavians haven't changed much genetically in the last 2000 years.

I have also added new samples Iron Age Britons (+2) and Anglo-Saxons (+1).

I am working on the Vikings from Oxford and Dorset now. This should tell us how much intermingling there was with the English by the 10th century.

A question. As I just presented North Dutch like me have a close distance to iron age Denmark, still the admixture shows a preference for Britton and Estonian mix. Why is there such a difference between the distance and the admixture.....

https://i.postimg.cc/7GMs9yVL/Schermafbeelding-2021-04-25-om-10-06-13.png (https://postimg.cc/7GMs9yVL)

https://i.postimg.cc/MXKZB0qy/Schermafbeelding-2021-04-25-om-10-30-08.png (https://postimg.cc/MXKZB0qy)

https://i.postimg.cc/cg1WQZys/Schermafbeelding-2021-04-25-om-10-30-29.png (https://postimg.cc/cg1WQZys)

Salento
25-04-21, 11:03
I see mostly Neolithic Farmer with some elevated Hunter Gatherer.....

Or may be more accurate some kind of 'North European' (10%) introgression into mostly 'Southern European'(90%).

Or just a usual mix from someone from Southern Italy?

It’s a 2way “Oracle”

... It’s possible that my 10% Northerner is actually the Southern European DNA carried by many Northerners, ... so that’ll makes me about 100% Southern European and You 10% Salentino or something like that, ... :)

https://i.imgur.com/Nv7NS1R.jpg

Northener
25-04-21, 11:36
It’s a 2way “Oracle”

... It’s possible that my 10% Northerner is actually the Southern European DNA carried by many Northerners, ... so that’ll makes me about 100% Southern European and You 10% Salentino or something like that, ... :)



:good_job: clear thanks!]

Even more fun:
https://i.postimg.cc/ZK0Z3xN5/Schermafbeelding-2021-04-25-om-11-37-32.png (https://postimg.cc/Tp8ZvmQz)

Maciamo
25-04-21, 23:56
I have added the average of 28 Viking genomes from 10th & 11th century Oxford and Dorset. They were clearly already mixed with English locals. The closest modern population is Iceland (distance = 3.1), which is itself a blend of Vikings with Celtic Irish and Scottish populations. Dorset Vikings are closer to modern Irish and Scots than to Scandinavians, Germans or English!

Northener
26-04-21, 09:36
I have added the average of 28 Viking genomes from 10th & 11th century Oxford and Dorset. They were clearly already mixed with English locals. The closest modern population is Iceland (distance = 3.1), which is itself a blend of Vikings with Celtic Irish and Scottish populations. Dorset Vikings are closer to modern Irish and Scots than to Scandinavians, Germans or English!

What could be factor is that especially Danish and North-Dutch show a specific affinity to Iron Age Brittonic!
This 'disturbs' the sometimes supposed strict 'Celtic vs Germanic' dichotomy.....

https://i.postimg.cc/fyjFd7Sz/Schermafbeelding-2021-04-26-om-11-43-17.png (https://postimg.cc/30Nn5vZV)

https://i.postimg.cc/NFkp5JhD/Schermafbeelding-2021-04-26-om-09-32-28.png (https://postimg.cc/sG1pLJgG)

torzio
26-04-21, 18:25
I have added the average of 28 Viking genomes from 10th & 11th century Oxford and Dorset. They were clearly already mixed with English locals. The closest modern population is Iceland (distance = 3.1), which is itself a blend of Vikings with Celtic Irish and Scottish populations. Dorset Vikings are closer to modern Irish and Scots than to Scandinavians, Germans or English!

mine changed a little bit with these inclusions




Distance to:
VettorK12b



3.84695984
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


5.96880222
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


6.60722332
Villanovans_(n=2)


7.85261740
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


10.01532825
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


10.09930691
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.59642393
Etruscans_(n=3)


10.59899524
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


10.70577881
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


12.92973318
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


13.13600776
Latins_(n=4)


14.59763337
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


15.40992213
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.55084564
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


15.90517840
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


17.07502855
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


17.13632983
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


17.47129074
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


17.55117945
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


17.85517012
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


18.58959117
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


18.62277101
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


19.24526695
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)


19.31956780
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


19.66164540
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)







Distance to:
VettorK12b



0.85824132
46.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 54.00% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.01637028
60.60% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 39.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.05083303
22.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 77.80% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.09120220
48.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 52.00% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)


1.26204895
58.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 41.40% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


1.34698817
54.40% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 45.60% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


1.38733157
45.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 54.60% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


1.57641508
49.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 50.80% Lombards_(n=28)


1.59465844
41.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 58.40% Lombards_(n=28)


1.61657630
53.00% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 47.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.63813115
46.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.40% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


1.69980362
38.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 61.40% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


1.70804040
55.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 45.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.74833672
38.20% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 61.80% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


1.75992439
21.60% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 78.40% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.79619583
69.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 30.80% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


1.81083934
93.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 6.40% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


1.81301319
93.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 7.00% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


1.83055149
58.00% EMBA_Greece_(n=6) + 42.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)


1.83939066
5.00% Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7) + 95.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.84098870
6.80% Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=8) + 93.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.84104359
5.00% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 95.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.84886826
94.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 5.80% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12)


1.84994977
94.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 5.80% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)


1.85704496
40.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7) + 60.00% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)

Maciamo
26-04-21, 20:39
I have run the 28 Viking genomes from England separately in Vahaduo. It gives us a clearer picture of the heterogeneity of the Viking bands at the time.

Vikings from Oxford (St Brice's Day Massacre)



ID
Closest modern population


VK143
Icelandic


VK144
Hungarian


VK145
German


VK146
Italian from Friuli


VK147
Icelandic


VK148
Norwegian


VK150
Belgian


VK151
Norwegian


VK165
Icelandic


VK167
Swedish


VK168
Icelandic


VK172
Icelandic


VK173
Scottish


VK174
Icelandic


VK175
Norwegian


VK176
Norwegian


VK177
Northwest French


VK178
Dutch




Vikings from Dorset



ID
Closest modern population


VK256
Norwegian


VK257
Irish


VK258
Icelandic


VK259
Icelandic


VK260
Irish


VK261
French


VK262
North English


VK263
Icelandic


VK264
Icelandic


VK449
Icelandic




As mentioned above, Icelandic implies mixed Scandinavian and Irish/British ancestry.

The Hungarian and North Italian ancestry are the most surprising.

Maciamo
26-04-21, 20:59
I have added the Danish Vikings based on 21 samples from Margaryan 2020..

Interestingly Danish Vikings weren't closest to modern Danes, but modern Dutch people and Northwest Germans (both 2.7), then North English and Icelandic people (both 5.2), then only modern Danes (5.3). That is surely because the samples tested included a lot of foreigners.



ID
Closest modern population


VK84
North French


VK90
Italians from Aosta Valley


VK92
Northwest French


VK94
Irish


VK134
Danish


VK138
Belgians


VK139
Belarussians


VK141
Swedish


VK274
Hungarians


VK275
Swedish


VK276
Belgians


VK278
Germans from Bavaria


VK280
Belgians


VK282
Germans


VK284
Northeast Poles


VK285
Northwest Germans


VK286
Italians from Aosta Valley


VK287
Russians


VK288
Swedish


VK289
Danish


VK295
Danish

brick
26-04-21, 23:38
Of course, this makes no sense historically. Your other effort with Iron Age Italians makes more sense, but still the distances are pretty far for a lot of provinces, not just the ones populated by foreigners, like Aosta, Friuli and Trentino.

Italian population genetics is too complicated for this kind of two way analysis.


Of course I agree with you, the first model makes no sense historically.

HAYZOO
26-04-21, 23:43
Distance to:
Me


2.65061115
20.60% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15) + 79.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.93476628
16.40% Chalcolithic_Israel + 83.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.51754800
9.00% Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6) + 91.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.61071879
15.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Jordan_(n=3) + 84.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.72419382
48.20% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 51.80% Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


3.94593137
19.80% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 80.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.94707718
55.00% Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9) + 45.00% Etruscans_(n=3)


4.19790960
53.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 46.40% Etruscans_(n=3)


4.23738572
14.60% Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3) + 85.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


4.24922781
17.00% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15) + 83.00% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


4.32577781
91.40% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46) + 8.60% Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)


4.41247342
8.20% Early_Neolithic_Maghreb_(n=1) + 91.80% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


4.41722438
69.80% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 30.20% Western_Scythians_(n=28)


4.44127285
12.80% Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9) + 87.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


4.51068162
65.80% EMBA_Greece_(n=6) + 34.20% Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)


4.64909195
7.00% Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6) + 93.00% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


4.66378917
45.20% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 54.80% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


4.68207574
93.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 6.80% Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)


4.69974085
57.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 43.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


4.71205461
56.60% Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9) + 43.40% Villanovans_(n=2)




The most even 2ways


3.72419382
48.20% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 51.80% Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)





3.94707718
55.00% Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9) + 45.00% Etruscans_(n=3)




4.19790960
53.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 46.40% Etruscans_(n=3)




4.66378917
45.20% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 54.80% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)




4.69974085
57.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 43.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


4.71205461
56.60% Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9) + 43.40% Villanovans_(n=2)

Pax Augusta
27-04-21, 16:08
I thought that the Terramare culture was the first Indo-European advance into Italy? If that is the case, it doesn't show at all in these samples from Olmo di Nogara, who have 0% of Gedrosia and only 11% of North European, just like the people from the Chalcolithic Remedello culture in the same region. In fact, what we see is in increase in Caucasus, SW Asian and NW African admixture (+14% in total) in the Middle Bronze Age and a decrease in Atlantic Med. So it looks like the Early/Middle Bronze Age immigrants to North Italy came from Greece, maybe via South Italy, but definitely not from Central Europe. I suppose that the Proto-Italics only started crossing the Alps from the Late Bronze Age onwards.




Ethnicity
Gedrosia
Siberia
NW Africa
SE Asia
Atlantic Med
North Europe
South Asia
East Africa
SW Asia
East Asia
Caucasus
SSA


Remedello culture (n=3)
0.00
0.00
0.78
0.71
69.04
11.78
0.00
0.00
5.18
0.00
11.80
0.72


Middle Bronze Age North Italy (n=4)
0.00
0.21
1.88
0.00
56.32
11.55
0.06
0.04
9.77
0.16
19.64
0.37





Who are the 4 samples on which the Middle Bronze Age North Italy average is based?

If I remember correctly, the oldest sample that comes from Italy and has Steppe is the sample I2478 (2194–1939 BC) from Parma, Emilia, and that archaeologically belongs to Bell Beaker (YDNA R1b1a2a1a2 (R-P312) and mtDNA K1a2a). He was buried with a younger woman who was Sardinian-like and Steppe-less.

Personally I think that of all the calculators on gedmatch Dodecad 12K is the one that keeps working better, especially with the new tests that use different chips from the past. But even the components of Dodecad K12 are not true ancestral components, it is hard to draw conclusions even with Dodecad.

Archaeologically, I don't recall the hypothesis that there are Early/Middle Bronze Age immigrants to North Italy from Greece. If there is any arrival from outside, it is more likely to come from the northern Balkans entering as usual in Friuli and from there moving further into Italy.

As for the Proto-Italics, yes it seems to have greater consensus that they began to cross the Alps only from the late Bronze Age onwards, roughly with the beginning of the Proto-Villanovan culture which is a facies that exists everywhere in Italy and should not be confused with the Iron Age Villanovan culture that is associated only with the Etruscans. Probably Indo-European movements were already present with the culture of Polada and Terramare but what is important is that when they ended, rather than when they begin in my opinion, and when the ethnic groups of pre-Roman Italy are then formed.

It must be added that the Latin-Faliscan is not linguistically considered Italic in the strict sense and that the opinion that enjoys greater consensus is that it belongs to a different migratory movement from that which brought the Osco-Umbrian languages. On the Venetic language instead there is still no consensus, the Venetic language shows an ancient relationship with Latin but it is not yet completely clear if they can be classified together.

Generally speaking one of the most widespread opinions is that the Latin-Faliscan speakers arrived before the Osco-Umbrian speakers, in any case both from the Middle-Danube Urnfield cultures. Also for the Etruscans it is archaeologically assumed that they also received Indo-European language migrations from the Middle-Danube Urnfield cultures between the end of the Bronze and the beginning of the Iron Age from the Danubian-Carpathian area and the northern Balkans.

torzio
27-04-21, 18:42
Who are the 4 samples on which the Middle Bronze Age North Italy average is based?

If I remember correctly, the oldest sample that comes from Italy and has Steppe is the sample I2478 (2194–1939 BC) from Parma, Emilia, and that archaeologically belongs to Bell Beaker (YDNA R1b1a2a1a2 (R-P312) and mtDNA K1a2a). He was buried with a younger woman who was Sardinian-like and Steppe-less.

Personally I think that of all the calculators on gedmatch Dodecad 12K is the one that keeps working better, especially with the new tests that use different chips from the past. But even the components of Dodecad K12 are not true ancestral components, it is hard to draw conclusions even with Dodecad.

Archaeologically, I don't recall the hypothesis that there are Early/Middle Bronze Age immigrants to North Italy from Greece. If there is any arrival from outside, it is more likely to come from the northern Balkans entering as usual in Friuli and from there moving further into Italy.

As for the Proto-Italics, yes it seems to have greater consensus that they began to cross the Alps only from the late Bronze Age onwards, roughly with the beginning of the Proto-Villanovan culture which is a facies that exists everywhere in Italy and should not be confused with the Iron Age Villanovan culture that is associated only with the Etruscans. Probably Indo-European movements were already present with the culture of Polada and Terramare but what is important is that when they ended, rather than when they begin in my opinion, and when the ethnic groups of pre-Roman Italy are then formed.

It must be added that the Latin-Faliscan is not linguistically considered Italic in the strict sense and that the opinion that enjoys greater consensus is that it belongs to a different migratory movement from that which brought the Osco-Umbrian languages. On the Venetic language instead there is still no consensus, the Venetic language shows an ancient relationship with Latin but it is not yet completely clear if they can be classified together.

Generally speaking one of the most widespread opinions is that the Latin-Faliscan speakers arrived before the Osco-Umbrian speakers, in any case both from the Middle-Danube Urnfield cultures. Also for the Etruscans it is archaeologically assumed that they also received Indo-European language migrations from the Middle-Danube Urnfield cultures between the end of the Bronze and the beginning of the Iron Age from the Danubian-Carpathian area and the northern Balkans.

Venetic language is closest to Latin-Faliscan than with Osco-Umbrian .................I already added a study on this in a thread here a few months ago.

Archeologist, Perego has many papers that the Venetic was only in Italy from circa 1200BC and before this the modern regions of Friuli, Veneto and South-Trentino was ruled by the many Euganei tribes ..........they had some links with the Rhaeti from North-Trentino and South-Tyrol regions

https://journals.openedition.org/mefra/2508?lang=en

Pax Augusta
27-04-21, 19:53
Venetic language is closest to Latin-Faliscan than with Osco-Umbrian .................I already added a study on this in a thread here a few months ago.

Archeologist, Perego has many papers that the Venetic was only in Italy from circa 1200BC and before this the modern regions of Friuli, Veneto and South-Trentino was ruled by the many Euganei tribes ..........they had some links with the Rhaeti from North-Trentino and South-Tyrol regions

https://journals.openedition.org/mefra/2508?lang=en

A paper released in 2020.

"La posizione linguistica del venetico è stato un tema ampiamente dibattuto in passato, e non ancora pervenuto ad un assetto definitivo. L’appartenenza del venetico alla famiglia indeuropea è data per acquisita fin a partire dalla fine dell’Ottocento con Pauli, anche se lo stesso ne sosteneva l’appartenenza ad un ramo ‘illirico’, tesi la cui insussistenza è stata in seguito dimostrata da Krahe. Dopo alcuni interventi che sottolineavano l’affinità del venetico col latino (Altheim, Beeler), il venetico è stato riportato da alcuni studiosi ad una posizione di autonomia nel quadro indeuropeo (Krahe, Pisani, Pellegrini), ma l’opinione prevalente — fin dagli anni ’50 — ne vede l’attribuzione al ramo italico dell’indeuropeo (Beeler, Lejeune). Nonostante non siano mancati i sostenitori di relazioni privilegiate con altre lingue (celtico in primis), la classificazione nel ramo italico si può ormai dire acquisita; il nodo ancora irrisolto riguarda la posizione interna del venetico, in relazione al latino da una parte e alle lingue italiche (= sabelliche) dall’altra; sostanzialmente neutrale è la posizione di Lejeune, mentre più decisamente orientato verso una affinità col latino è Prosdocimi; più di recente Prósper rivendica le relazioni con l’italico".


Marinetti, A. (2020). Venético. Palaeohispanica. Revista Sobre Lenguas Y Culturas De La Hispania Antigua, (20), 367-401.

https://doi.org/10.36707/palaeohispanica.v0i20.374
La posizione linguistica del venetico è stato un tema ampiamente dibattu-
to in passato, e non ancora pervenuto ad un assetto definitivo

La posizione linguistica del venetico è stato un tema ampiamente dibattu-
to in passato, e non ancora pervenuto ad un assetto definitivo

La posizione linguistica del venetico è stato un tema ampiamente dibattu-
to in passato, e non ancora pervenuto ad un assetto definitivo

torzio
27-04-21, 20:06
A paper released in 2020.

"La posizione linguistica del venetico è stato un tema ampiamente dibattuto in passato, e non ancora pervenuto ad un assetto definitivo. L’appartenenza del venetico alla famiglia indeuropea è data per acquisita fin a partire dalla fine dell’Ottocento con Pauli, anche se lo stesso ne sosteneva l’appartenenza ad un ramo ‘illirico’, tesi la cui insussistenza è stata in seguito dimostrata da Krahe. Dopo alcuni interventi che sottolineavano l’affinità del venetico col latino (Altheim, Beeler), il venetico è stato riportato da alcuni studiosi ad una posizione di autonomia nel quadro indeuropeo (Krahe, Pisani, Pellegrini), ma l’opinione prevalente — fin dagli anni ’50 — ne vede l’attribuzione al ramo italico dell’indeuropeo (Beeler, Lejeune). Nonostante non siano mancati i sostenitori di relazioni privilegiate con altre lingue (celtico in primis), la classificazione nel ramo italico si può ormai dire acquisita; il nodo ancora irrisolto riguarda la posizione interna del venetico, in relazione al latino da una parte e alle lingue italiche (= sabelliche) dall’altra; sostanzialmente neutrale è la posizione di Lejeune, mentre più decisamente orientato verso una affinità col latino è Prosdocimi; più di recente Prósper rivendica le relazioni con l’italico".


Marinetti, A. (2020). Venético. Palaeohispanica. Revista Sobre Lenguas Y Culturas De La Hispania Antigua, (20), 367-401.

https://doi.org/10.36707/palaeohispanica.v0i20.374
La posizione linguistica del venetico è stato un tema ampiamente dibattu-
to in passato, e non ancora pervenuto ad un assetto definitivo

La posizione linguistica del venetico è stato un tema ampiamente dibattu-
to in passato, e non ancora pervenuto ad un assetto definitivo

La posizione linguistica del venetico è stato un tema ampiamente dibattu-
to in passato, e non ancora pervenuto ad un assetto definitivo


The issue with Marinetti is that she does not resolve the original inhabitants of the area , while Perego does

https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv3t5r28.18?seq=8#metadata_info_tab_contents

Marinetti seems to think no one was in North-East italy before the Venetic people arrived or fails to cover it................it is the same old , same old with Marinetti

Pax Augusta
27-04-21, 20:47
The issue with Marinetti is that she does not resolve the original inhabitants of the area , while Perego does

https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv3t5r28.18?seq=8#metadata_info_tab_contents

Marinetti seems to think no one was in North-East italy before the Venetic people arrived or fails to cover it................it is the same old , same old with Marinetti


Marinetti is a linguist and her paper focuses only on Venetic, it's not really her job to solve what you're talking about. Perego is an archeologist.

Gabriele Pashaj
30-04-21, 22:27
My genetic distance among those ancient samples12672

Jovialis
01-05-21, 06:59
BA_Ancient_Egyptian:JK2134,0.83,0,8.24,0,15.48,0,0 ,6.5,32.25,0,36.69,0
BA_Ancient_Egyptian:JK2888,0.23,0,10.62,0,15.29,0, 0,6.3,32.71,0,34.85,0
BA_Ancient_Egyptian:JK2911,1.61,0.82,7.99,0.95,12. 77,0,0.32,6.44,33.51,0.06,35.53,0

BA_Ancient_Egyptian_(n=3),0.89,0.273333333,8.95,0. 316666667,14.51333333,0,0.106666667,6.413333333,32 .82333333,0.02,35.69,0

Ancient Egyptians

Ancient Egyptian mummy genomes suggest an increase of Sub-Saharan African ancestry in post-Roman periods | Nature Communications (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694)

Jovialis
01-05-21, 07:02
BA_Ancient_Egyptian:JK2134,0.83,0,8.24,0,15.48,0,0 ,6.5,32.25,0,36.69,0
BA_Ancient_Egyptian:JK2888,0.23,0,10.62,0,15.29,0, 0,6.3,32.71,0,34.85,0
BA_Ancient_Egyptian:JK2911,1.61,0.82,7.99,0.95,12. 77,0,0.32,6.44,33.51,0.06,35.53,0

BA_Ancient_Egyptian_(n=3),0.89,0.273333333,8.95,0. 316666667,14.51333333,0,0.106666667,6.413333333,32 .82333333,0.02,35.69,0

Ancient Egyptians

Ancient Egyptian mummy genomes suggest an increase of Sub-Saharan African ancestry in post-Roman periods | Nature Communications (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694)



Distance to:
BA_Ancient_Egyptian_(n=3)


5.40290971
Coptic


10.89614256
Egyptian


13.25021761
Jordanian_Muslim


13.83067123
Palestinian


13.83731067
Jordanian_Christian


14.58840978
Bedouin


14.63119726
Syrian_SW_Christian


15.16207549
Palestinian_Christian


17.24141622
Syrian_Muslim


18.31857436
Kuwait1


18.33372484
Lebanese_Christian


18.49851345
Lebanese_Muslim


19.78952754
Yemenite_Mahra


20.29654650
Iraqi_Arab


20.92513003
Nusayri_Turkey


21.56825677
Greek_Cypriot


22.02733529
Morocco_Jews


22.51023249
Saudi


22.53014277
Turk_Cyprus


22.66852958
Yemenite_mixed


22.93816252
Sephardic_Jews


23.18180896
Italian_Jews


23.36516852
Arab_Iran


23.60695378
Iraqi_Jew


24.33897149
Iraqi_Baghdad






Distance to:
BA_Ancient_Egyptian_(n=3)


8.85923059
Chalcolithic_Israel


9.43461358
Early_Bronze_Age_Jordan_(n=3)


11.92433227
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15)


15.02139696
Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)


17.60487811
Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9)


19.82554413
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=24)


21.22479211
Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6)


25.11349504
Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4)


25.11877385
Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


25.68113185
Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35)


27.29128005
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2)


27.40460363
Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6)


27.62940704
Chalcolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=4)


27.85185631
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


31.06945392
Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


32.26044327
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7)


32.64035743
EMBA_Greece_(n=6)


33.76692761
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


33.80271932
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


33.88694586
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


34.42262337
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


34.90256724
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


35.42841891
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


36.32362087
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


38.31379908
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)







Distance to:
BA_Ancient_Egyptian_(n=3)


5.46940927
9.40% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 90.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Jordan_(n=3)


5.51571175
8.40% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 91.60% Chalcolithic_Israel


6.43101789
47.60% Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6) + 52.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4)


6.63035192
38.00% Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6) + 62.00% Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9)


6.85681431
48.20% Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6) + 51.80% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35)


7.23694679
88.40% Chalcolithic_Israel + 11.60% Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)


7.24780040
86.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Jordan_(n=3) + 13.40% Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)


7.89177445
16.40% Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6) + 83.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Jordan_(n=3)


7.90581876
32.80% Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6) + 67.20% Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)


7.96556713
92.20% Chalcolithic_Israel + 7.80% Maykop_culture_(n=16)


8.02908707
77.20% Chalcolithic_Israel + 22.80% Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)


8.03538197
93.00% Chalcolithic_Israel + 7.00% Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=4)


8.05816670
94.40% Chalcolithic_Israel + 5.60% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)


8.09171374
4.60% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 95.40% Chalcolithic_Israel


8.10944025
35.60% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15) + 64.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Jordan_(n=3)


8.12899610
5.80% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2) + 94.20% Chalcolithic_Israel


8.13178435
4.40% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3) + 95.60% Chalcolithic_Israel


8.14374400
94.80% Chalcolithic_Israel + 5.20% Tian_Shan_Huns_(n=8)


8.16441421
11.60% Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6) + 88.40% Chalcolithic_Israel


8.16579724
6.80% Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3) + 93.20% Chalcolithic_Israel


8.16602397
95.00% Chalcolithic_Israel + 5.00% Iron_Age_Altai_(n=5)


8.16745539
94.80% Chalcolithic_Israel + 5.20% Tian_Shan_Saka_(n=5)


8.18076862
91.80% Chalcolithic_Israel + 8.20% Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=8)


8.18547517
95.60% Chalcolithic_Israel + 4.40% Mongolian_Xiongnu_(n=5)


8.19090442
95.80% Chalcolithic_Israel + 4.20% Bronze_Age_Kola_peninsula_(n=6)

Maciamo
02-05-21, 15:13
I have added:

- Neolithic Latvia : no modern equivalent, but closest to modern Latvians (15.2)
- Botai culture (Eneolithic Kazakhstan) : no modern equivalent, but closest to the Udmurts (15.8)

I also updated the Eastern Corded Ware culture, Neolithic Ukraine and Mesolithic Latvia.

Maciamo
02-05-21, 16:36
I have just added the Vikings from Russia and Ukraine. Here too there was intermingling with Slavic natives.

- Vikings from Russia : the closest modern populations are the NW Poles (4.5), Sorbs (4.8), Poles (6.3), Slovaks (7.4), Czechs (7.5), Germans (7.7) and Swedes (8.1).
- Vikings from Ukraine : the closest modern populations are the Sorbs (2.9), Poles (4.2), NW Poles (4.4), Slovaks (5.3), Ukrainians (5.7) and Czechs (6.2).

Just like Vikings from Denmark and England, the samples are a motley of various Europeans who seemed to have joined the Scandinavian Vikings.



Sample ID
Closest modern population


VK14
NW German


VK16
NW German


VK17
West Finnish


VK20
Swedish


VK21
West Finnish


VK22
Dutch


VK23
Swedish


VK159
Belarussian


VK160
Russian


VK223
Swedish


VK224
Estonian


VK254
Hungarian


VK272
Ukrainian


VK273
Polish


VK466
Russian


VK539
Polish


VK540
Swedish


VK541
Ukrainian


VK542
Ukrainian




The last four are from Ukraine. All the others are from Russia.

Duarte
02-05-21, 17:34
Thx Maciamo

Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.4792% / 1.47915960




52.5
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





19.9
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)





9.8
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





8.9
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





7.2
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)





1.7
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)











Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.4830% / 1.48299702 | R6P




52.0
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





19.7
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)





10.0
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





9.5
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





7.0
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)





1.8
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.6336% / 1.63363287 | R5P




53.0
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





20.1
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)





11.5
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





7.9
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





7.5
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.1908% / 2.19077134 | R4P




51.6
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





19.9
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)





15.1
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





13.4
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)

torzio
02-05-21, 18:59
no change for me after data added from post#277

I am interested in the high % of the bold ones though




Distance to:
TorzioK12b



0.85824132
46.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 54.00% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.01637028
60.60% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 39.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.05083303
22.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 77.80% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.09120220
48.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 52.00% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)


1.26204895
58.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 41.40% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


1.34698817
54.40% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 45.60% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


1.38733157
45.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 54.60% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


1.42423391
40.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 59.60% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)


1.57641508
49.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 50.80% Lombards_(n=28)


1.59465844
41.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 58.40% Lombards_(n=28)


1.61657630
53.00% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 47.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.63813115
46.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.40% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


1.66521139
48.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 52.00% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)


1.69980362
38.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 61.40% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


1.70804040
55.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 45.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.74833672
38.20% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 61.80% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


1.75992439
21.60% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 78.40% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.79619583
69.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 30.80% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


1.81083934

93.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 6.40% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


1.81301319
93.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 7.00% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)



1.83055149
58.00% EMBA_Greece_(n=6) + 42.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)


1.83939066
5.00% Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7) + 95.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians



1.84564851
90.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 9.60% Vikings_from_Russia_(n=15)



1.84625025
5.00% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 95.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians



1.84886826
94.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 5.80% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12)







Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 1.0953% / 1.09528753 | ADC: 0.25x RC





33.0

Bronze_Age_Illyrians






27.4
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)







22.7
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)






16.9
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)

Salento
02-05-21, 21:42
... new Neolithic Latvia and the new Vikings:

I’ve run out of theories, ... maybe it is what it is!

https://i.imgur.com/pPjeT7t.gif

Duarte
02-05-21, 22:08
... new Neolithic Latvia and the new Vikings:

I’ve run out of theories, ... maybe it is what it is!

https://i.imgur.com/pPjeT7t.gif

I do not understand so much, but this paper may help us understand a little the genetics of ancient Latvians I think.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5321670/bin/mmc3.pdf

Maciamo
04-05-21, 12:20
With Jovialis' precious help I have added new averages:

- Comb Ceramic culture (Late Mesolithic Estonia) : no modern equivalent, but closest to East Finns (24.7). Interesting because it has 7.7% of Siberian admixture, confirming the arrival of Uralic people in the region.

- Chalcolithic Romania (only 1 sample but almost 50-50 Atlantic Med and North European with virtually no other admixture!) : no modern equivalent but closest to Danes (13.4) and Swedes (13.9).

- Middle-Late Neolithic Portugal : no modern equivalent but closest to Basques (18.5) and Sardinians (19.9).
- Chalcolithic Portugal : no modern equivalent but closest to Sardinians and Basques (both 17.0).
- Middle Bronze Age Portugal : most similar to Spanish Basques (8.2) and SW French (8.3).

I also updated the Eastern Corded Ware (+ 5 Estonian samples).

Maciamo
04-05-21, 18:41
I have just added the 9 Viking samples from Poland. The average looks basically Polish : NW Poles (distance 2.9), Sorbs (3.3), Poles (4.0).

Running each samples individually, only VK153 is more Scandinavian-like (distance of 7.3 to Swedes), while VK211 is Bavarian-like (5.9) and VK212 close to Belarussians (3.9). The six other samples all seem to be indigenous Polish individuals.

torzio
04-05-21, 18:55
after post 283

the only change with adding these vikings for me is that my "illyrian" numbers change greatly



Distance to:
TorzioK12b



4.35770473

Bronze_Age_Illyrians


6.26125387
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


6.81455061
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


7.78089326
Villanovans_(n=2)


9.06613479
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


9.48521481
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)



9.82516667
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


11.40266197
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.91347137
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


13.60472712
Latins_(n=4)


13.99483833
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


14.13477273
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


14.26629945
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


14.43961911
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


15.47996124
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


16.00410260
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


16.18546879
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


17.71135794
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)


17.92400067
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


18.00622670
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


18.07617493
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


18.11441967
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


18.36654023
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


18.53644249
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


19.40622838
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)

torzio
04-05-21, 18:57
and the illyrians all disappeared below replaced by halstatt celts



Distance to:
TorzioK12b



1.07534456
25.40% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 74.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.14528879
25.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 74.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.23093108
63.20% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 36.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.26468208
32.20% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 67.80% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.26515163
23.00% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 77.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.31113672
51.60% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 48.40% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


1.44222315
34.80% Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1) + 65.20% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.45862014
66.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 33.60% Lombards_(n=28)


1.47561323
16.00% Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1) + 84.00% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.48305103
39.60% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46) + 60.40% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


1.54356793
46.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 54.00% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)


1.56701180
39.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 61.00% Lombards_(n=28)


1.61210069
37.80% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 62.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.64743960
35.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 65.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.65363647
38.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 62.00% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)


1.67225955
35.80% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 64.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.68084370
43.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 57.00% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


1.68523358
70.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 29.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)


1.68762787
37.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7) + 62.60% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)


1.70325593
26.60% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 73.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.70726757
66.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 33.80% Roman_Britain_(n=8)


1.71451766
21.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 78.20% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.72817581
39.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 61.00% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.73723302
31.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 68.20% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.74581417
41.40% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 58.60% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)

Maciamo
04-05-21, 19:16
Here are the coordinates for all the individual Viking samples I have analysed at the moment. Next to the sample ID is the location where the bones were found and what modern population that individual resembles most. This is necessary as this study showed that the Vikings were not just Scandinavians, but a disparate bunch of adventurers from all over Europe. Only about half of all Vikings were of Scandinavian origin.


VK113_Norway_(English-like),4.14,0.00,1.15,0.00,39.33,43.67,3.50,0.00,0. 27,1.95,5.98,0.00
VK114_Norway_(Dutch-like),12.11,0.00,0.00,0.00,33.94,41.72,0.00,2.08,0 .00,0.00,10.14,0.00
VK117_Norway_(Danish-like),6.78,0.16,2.79,0.20,34.33,48.41,0.49,0.00,1. 98,0.19,4.68,0.00
VK124_Norway_(German-like),9.63,1.64,0.00,0.00,30.62,50.15,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.00,7.07,0.89
VK386_Norway_(Irish-like),9.10,0.00,0.50,0.00,39.09,46.76,0.93,0.00,0. 00,0.00,3.00,0.63
VK387_Norway_(Swedish-like),8.97,0.93,0.83,0.48,30.77,53.58,0.10,1.22,0. 00,0.35,1.80,0.97
VK388_Norway_(Icelandic-like),9.48,1.45,0.00,0.75,35.28,49.63,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.00,2.06,1.35
VK389_Norway_(Norwegian-like),7.87,0.00,0.71,0.42,33.43,52.59,2.25,0.69,0. 00,0.00,0.00,2.04
VK515_Norway_(Swedish-like),7.25,0.53,0.00,0.00,34.14,52.33,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.48,4.62,0.65
VK518_Norway_(Uralic-like),8.51,32.33,0.00,1.04,4.39,49.21,0.00,0.00,0. 00,3.19,0.00,1.34
VK523_Norway_(Norwegian-like),9.93,0.17,0.00,0.53,33.06,53.43,0.85,0.88,0. 00,0.00,0.00,1.14
VK525_Norway_(Irish-like),10.40,1.07,0.00,0.21,39.52,44.52,0.00,0.00,0 .00,0.00,3.21,1.08
VK84_Denmark_(North_French-like),5.95,0,1.93,1.32,36.68,37.97,0,0.38,3.35,0.0 8,10.41,1.91
VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like),7.73,2.88,0,0,40,30.74,0,0,4.08,0,13.36,1.2
VK92_Denmark_(NW_French-like),8.78,0.54,0,0.78,37.46,40.99,2.34,1.69,0,0,7 .43,0
VK94_Denmark_(Irish-like),10.13,0,4.52,0.11,38.77,42.87,1.5,0.21,0,0,1 .87,0
VK134_Denmark_(Danish-like),6.34,0.88,1.17,0,35.89,50.25,0,0.06,0.65,0,4 .43,0.34
VK138_Denmark_(Belgian-like),5.52,0.27,0,0.55,39.59,40.51,0,1.84,2.77,0,7 .63,1.31
VK139_Denmark_(Belarussian-like),2.23,0,1.31,0.4,23.61,58.58,3.05,0.2,1.95,0, 7.79,0.88
VK141_Denmark_(Swedish-like),8.74,0.65,0,1.1,34.15,51.26,0.75,0.14,1.21,0 ,0.7,1.29
VK274_Denmark_(Hungarian-like),7.61,0.4,0.53,0,27.31,46.67,0,0.06,2.09,1.54 ,12.28,1.49
VK275_Denmark_(Swedish-like),9.76,0,0,0,32.57,48.63,1.9,0,0,0.11,5.71,1.3 1
VK276_Denmark_(Belgian-like),7.32,0,0.4,0,36.56,40.71,0,0,5.03,0,7.64,2.3 3
VK278_Denmark_(Bavarian-like),6.36,0.88,0,0.26,34.11,40.94,0,0.78,0,0,15.5 5,1.13
VK280_Denmark_(Belgian-like),4.57,0,1.14,0,38.62,41.11,0,0,4.02,1.68,7.98 ,0.88
VK282_Denmark_(German-like),6.51,0,0,0.72,30.74,48.64,1.62,0.49,2.5,0,7. 67,1.13
VK284_Denmark_(Polish-like),8.08,0.84,0,0,27.78,55.69,0,0,0,0,5.72,1.87
VK285_Denmark_(NW_German-like),10.21,0.04,0,0,34.71,45.01,0.83,0,0,0.79,7.1 3,1.28
VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like),9.83,0.07,0,0.32,41.4,30.92,0,0,1.4,0,14.68, 1.37
VK287_Denmark_(Russian-like),3.02,0.97,0.87,0,21.54,56.73,0.04,0.58,0.4,0 ,14.97,0.88
VK288_Denmark_(Swedish-like),6.68,0.36,0.4,0,34.85,50.52,0.98,0.69,1.32,0 ,4.07,0.14
VK289_Denmark_(Danish-like),7.45,1.1,1.01,0,35.12,49.67,0,0.39,0,0.12,3. 75,1.37
VK295_Denmark_(Danish-like),4.67,1.83,0,0,38.62,49.63,0,1.9,0,0,2.95,0.3 9
VK143_UK_Oxford_(Icelandic-like),6.89,0.86,0.02,0.00,35.55,48.82,1.14,0.14,0. 00,0.00,3.50,3.07
VK144_UK_Oxford_(Hungarian-like),7.73,0.00,0.00,2.68,27.33,46.04,2.09,0.00,0. 00,0.00,12.20,1.93
VK145_UK_Oxford_(German-like),7.89,2.20,1.72,0.87,30.09,48.36,0.00,0.00,1. 55,0.00,6.29,1.02
VK146_UK_Oxford_(NE_Italian-like),5.55,0.00,0.04,0.00,33.89,33.68,0.00,0.00,5. 74,0.00,19.49,1.62
VK147_UK_Oxford_(Icelandic-like),8.60,0.00,0.00,1.65,36.09,47.87,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.12,3.61,2.06
VK148_UK_Oxford_(Norwegian-like),4.56,0.00,3.35,1.23,36.34,53.24,0.00,1.28,0. 00,0.00,0.00,0.00
VK150_UK_Oxford_(Belgian-like),7.14,0.34,0.00,0.00,39.01,38.80,0.05,0.01,3. 34,0.18,9.56,1.57
VK151_UK_Oxford_(Norwegian-like),10.18,0.96,0.42,0.75,34.57,50.86,0.11,0.00,0 .00,0.00,0.19,1.97
VK165_UK_Oxford_(Icelandic-like),9.58,1.08,0.62,0.00,34.27,50.01,0.21,0.00,0. 12,1.19,0.81,2.10
VK167_UK_Oxford_(Swedish-like),8.17,0.58,0.89,0.03,30.42,52.13,0.59,0.29,1. 05,1.08,3.34,1.43
VK168_UK_Oxford_(Icelandic-like),7.39,0.00,0.00,1.30,37.63,48.54,0.00,0.00,0. 29,0.00,2.44,2.42
VK172_UK_Oxford_(Icelandic-like),6.62,0.00,0.00,0.26,33.28,51.17,0.76,0.00,2. 20,0.00,3.75,1.95
VK173_UK_Oxford_(Scottish-like),12.69,0.00,3.61,0.00,38.98,40.60,0.00,2.56,0 .00,0.00,1.57,0.00
VK174_UK_Oxford_(Icelandic-like),10.54,0.42,0.00,0.93,36.06,48.67,0.00,0.00,0 .00,0.00,1.24,2.14
VK175_UK_Oxford_(Norwegian-like),7.92,0.00,1.07,0.56,33.59,52.86,0.00,0.50,1. 16,0.47,0.00,1.86
VK176_UK_Oxford_(Norwegian-like),8.78,1.22,0.03,0.98,34.66,49.69,0.00,0.13,1. 02,0.00,0.00,3.49
VK177_UK_Oxford_(NW_French-like),7.15,0.44,1.27,0.85,39.69,42.08,0.44,0.00,0. 00,0.00,6.01,2.07
VK178_UK_Oxford_(Dutch-like),8.45,0.49,0.00,0.24,35.05,43.16,0.65,0.00,1. 40,0.00,8.42,2.15
VK256_UK_Dorset_(Norwegian-like),4.98,0.00,0.00,3.48,33.30,50.46,0.00,0.00,5. 17,0.00,0.00,2.62
VK257_UK_Dorset_(Irish-like),8.20,1.35,0.00,0.25,39.41,45.57,0.00,0.00,0. 32,0.00,2.18,2.72
VK258_UK_Dorset_(Icelandic-like),9.41,1.34,0.90,1.04,34.14,47.13,0.00,1.68,0. 45,0.00,3.01,0.91
VK259_UK_Dorset_(Icelandic-like),8.41,1.23,0.00,0.00,36.38,48.13,0.62,0.00,0. 35,0.00,2.11,2.77
VK260_UK_Dorset_(Irish-like),10.54,1.12,0.00,0.24,38.93,43.35,0.69,0.00,0 .00,0.00,3.18,1.96
VK261_UK_Dorset_(French-like),10.15,1.22,0.22,0.00,42.43,36.87,0.00,1.10,0 .00,0.00,6.24,1.76
VK262_UK_Dorset_(North_English-like),7.99,0.71,0.80,1.65,37.98,43.30,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.00,4.94,2.62
VK263_UK_Dorset_(Icelandic-like),10.27,2.02,0.11,0.00,33.11,47.95,0.63,0.00,0 .00,0.00,3.47,2.44
VK264_UK_Dorset_(Icelandic-like),8.70,1.00,0.58,0.80,32.67,48.11,0.00,0.00,1. 35,0.00,4.52,2.26
VK449_UK_Dorset_(Icelandic-like),10.64,1.52,0.26,0.00,33.45,47.41,0.59,0.71,0 .00,0.00,4.81,0.61
VK153_Poland_(Polish-Swedish-like),8.19,0.00,1.62,0.36,33.38,55.71,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.00,0.00,0.74
VK154_Poland_(Polish-like),4.53,0.00,0.01,0.00,26.63,58.35,0.00,0.00,0. 06,1.29,5.97,3.16
VK155_Poland_(Polish-like),6.51,0.00,0.84,0.00,27.86,53.32,0.48,0.78,1. 43,0.04,8.73,0.00
VK156_Poland_(Polish-like),2.00,1.25,0.00,0.53,27.22,57.22,1.21,0.00,0. 00,0.45,8.27,1.86
VK157_Poland_(Polish-like),2.01,0.65,0.00,0.71,26.18,59.11,0.80,0.00,3. 59,0.04,4.88,2.04
VK210_Poland_(Polish-like),2.69,0.00,0.00,0.00,25.79,54.58,0.44,0.00,0. 00,0.04,14.64,1.82
VK211_Poland_(Bavarian-like),3.98,0.56,2.55,1.80,34.00,36.14,0.00,0.00,2. 32,0.00,17.48,1.17
VK212_Poland_(Belarussian-like),5.25,0.00,1.20,0.00,19.80,60.93,0.00,1.36,0. 00,0.00,10.70,0.76
VK494_Poland_(Polish-like),3.95,0.34,0.00,0.00,25.63,60.85,0.86,0.90,0. 00,0.00,7.47,0.00
VK14_Russia_(NW_German-like),8.47,0.00,0.00,0.00,33.26,45.86,2.79,2.26,0. 00,0.49,6.43,0.43
VK16_Russia_(NW_German-like),6.51,3.44,0.00,1.21,33.48,46.92,0.00,0.00,3. 34,0.00,4.92,0.19
VK17_Russia_(West_Finnish-like),2.57,2.93,0.02,0.50,28.20,60.64,0.00,0.12,0. 01,0.00,3.78,1.23
VK20_Russia_(Swedish-like),7.97,2.97,0.00,0.00,34.49,52.27,0.00,1.34,0. 00,0.00,0.00,0.96
VK21_Russia_(West_Finnish-like),6.50,7.52,0.00,0.00,24.84,56.36,0.00,1.53,3. 25,0.00,0.00,0.00
VK22_Russia_(Dutch-like),12.28,0.53,2.62,0.00,31.72,41.85,0.00,0.35,0 .00,0.53,8.60,1.51
VK23_Russia_(Swedish-like),7.12,0.90,0.00,0.00,32.09,53.36,0.26,0.00,0. 67,0.00,3.54,2.06
VK159_Russia_(Belarussian-like),2.2,0,0,0,22.77,61.41,0.62,1.77,0,0,10.39,0. 83
VK160_Russia_(Russian-like),0.00,0.00,0.00,0.33,18.85,56.70,4.34,0.13,6. 51,1.92,10.62,0.61
VK223_Russia_(Swedish-like),6.67,0.00,0.00,2.29,33.58,54.50,0.74,0.00,0. 00,0.00,0.00,2.23
VK224_Russia_(Estonian-like),1.55,0.00,0.00,4.11,25.71,61.47,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.00,4.39,2.77
VK254_Russia_(Hungarian-like),5.70,2.06,0.00,0.00,24.84,39.50,1.23,0.56,6. 50,3.02,16.00,0.60
VK272_Russia_(Ukrainian-like),2.51,2.72,0.00,0.00,23.11,55.94,0.00,0.00,2. 61,0.00,10.96,2.15
VK273_Russia_(Polish-like),4.88,0.00,0.63,0.00,24.22,56.64,0.45,1.09,0. 00,2.14,9.54,0.41
VK466_Russia_(Russian-like),4.21,0.00,0.00,0.00,19.71,56.28,0.00,3.03,0. 62,3.90,12.25,0.00
VK539_Ukraine_(Polish-like),5.58,2.45,1.01,1.1,28.5,56.61,0,0.11,0,0,3.8 ,0.85
VK540_Ukraine_(Swedish-like),4.31,1.39,0.60,1.29,31.01,55.05,0.32,0.19,0. 00,0.00,4.95,0.88
VK541_Ukraine_(Ukrainian-like),3.43,2.08,0.53,0.00,22.27,52.01,0.07,0.00,2. 45,0.56,14.06,2.54
VK542_Ukraine_(Ukrainian-like),4.25,1.85,0.12,0.17,22.78,49.77,0.00,0.11,1. 45,0.31,16.97,2.23

Jovialis
04-05-21, 19:16
Distance to:
Jovialis


2.67342477
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


4.13714878
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


4.96643735
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


5.23919841
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


8.54637350
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


9.18836220
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


10.89175835
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


12.93336383
Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


13.26984928
EMBA_Greece_(n=6)


15.18323088
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


15.74704734
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


17.80178643
Villanovans_(n=2)


18.03439492
Etruscans_(n=3)


19.67391420
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


20.82980557
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


21.04682874
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2)


21.66482402
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


22.36252669
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


22.85149010
Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


23.50336997
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


23.70956769
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


23.75943812
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7)


24.15866925
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


24.22953157
Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)


24.28315877
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)




Imperial Marche is still my best fit only using one population.


Distance to:
Jovialis


0.92195636
11.00% Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3) + 89.00% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


1.18868402
12.60% Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=8) + 87.40% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


1.42800179
4.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=7) + 96.00% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.45845717
3.60% EMBA_Catacomb_culture_(n=4) + 96.40% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.46828666
3.80% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 96.20% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.53439076
3.00% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3) + 97.00% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.53704074
3.60% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3) + 96.40% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.56290620
3.80% EMBA_Poltavka_culture_(n=8) + 96.20% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.57208872
3.40% CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5) + 96.60% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.64785027
2.80% Mesolithic_Volga-Ural_(n=2) + 97.20% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.69260371
95.40% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 4.60% Sarmatians_(n=14)


1.69504788
70.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 29.20% EMBA_Catacomb_culture_(n=4)


1.69594562
2.60% Late_Mesolithic_Comb_Ceramic_culture_(n=2) + 97.40% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.69897706
70.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 29.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16)


1.71046977
19.20% Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=8) + 80.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.71111164
2.60% Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4) + 97.40% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.71225783
94.60% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 5.40% Iron_Age_Kangju_(n=4)


1.72631814
3.60% Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=14) + 96.40% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.76653836
4.00% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27) + 96.00% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.79600241
4.00% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17) + 96.00% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.79823700
18.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24) + 82.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.81761324
92.40% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 7.60% Western_Scythians_(n=28)


1.82342713
95.00% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 5.00% Cimmerians_(n=6)


1.82491978
2.60% Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7) + 97.40% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.82659236
2.80% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12) + 97.20% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)

Jovialis
04-05-21, 19:29
Distance to:
Jovialis


21.83026111
VK146_UK_Oxford_(NE_Italian-like)


25.72474295
VK211_Poland_(Bavarian-like)


26.15184697
VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)


26.53129661
VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)


28.35160137
VK254_Russia_(Hungarian-like)


30.90708171
VK278_Denmark_(Bavarian-like)


31.46744032
VK84_Denmark_(North_French-like)


33.20295168
VK150_UK_Oxford_(Belgian-like)


34.87881162
VK276_Denmark_(Belgian-like)


35.38996327
VK22_Russia_(Dutch-like)


35.69154522
VK280_Denmark_(Belgian-like)


36.02151163
VK138_Denmark_(Belgian-like)


36.25342329
VK261_UK_Dorset_(French-like)


36.25652493
VK274_Denmark_(Hungarian-like)


36.44422725
VK178_UK_Oxford_(Dutch-like)


36.46951741
VK92_Denmark_(NW_French-like)


36.47328337
VK144_UK_Oxford_(Hungarian-like)


37.67712967
VK542_Ukraine_(Ukrainian-like)


38.57306314
VK177_UK_Oxford_(NW_French-like)


38.86140759
VK285_Denmark_(NW_German-like)


39.72334956
VK262_UK_Dorset_(North_English-like)


39.83898970
VK14_Russia_(NW_German-like)


40.41029077
VK282_Denmark_(German-like)


40.75678471
VK173_UK_Oxford_(Scottish-like)


40.79141576
VK541_Ukraine_(Ukrainian-like)

torzio
04-05-21, 20:19
Here are the coordinates for all the individual Viking samples I have analysed at the moment. Next to the sample ID is the location where the bones were found and what modern population that individual resembles most. This is necessary as this study showed that the Vikings were not just Scandinavians, but a disparate bunch of adventurers from all over Europe. Only about half of all Vikings were of Scandinavian origin.


VK84_Denmark_(North_French-like),5.95,0,1.93,1.32,36.68,37.97,0,0.38,3.35,0.0 8,10.41,1.91
VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like),7.73,2.88,0,0,40,30.74,0,0,4.08,0,13.36,1.2
VK92_Denmark_(NW_French-like),8.78,0.54,0,0.78,37.46,40.99,2.34,1.69,0,0,7 .43,0
VK94_Denmark_(Irish-like),10.13,0,4.52,0.11,38.77,42.87,1.5,0.21,0,0,1 .87,0
VK134_Denmark_(Danish-like),6.34,0.88,1.17,0,35.89,50.25,0,0.06,0.65,0,4 .43,0.34
VK138_Denmark_(Belgian-like),5.52,0.27,0,0.55,39.59,40.51,0,1.84,2.77,0,7 .63,1.31
VK139_Denmark_(Belarussian-like),2.23,0,1.31,0.4,23.61,58.58,3.05,0.2,1.95,0, 7.79,0.88
VK141_Denmark_(Swedish-like),8.74,0.65,0,1.1,34.15,51.26,0.75,0.14,1.21,0 ,0.7,1.29
VK274_Denmark_(Hungarian-like),7.61,0.4,0.53,0,27.31,46.67,0,0.06,2.09,1.54 ,12.28,1.49
VK275_Denmark_(Swedish-like),9.76,0,0,0,32.57,48.63,1.9,0,0,0.11,5.71,1.3 1
VK276_Denmark_(Belgian-like),7.32,0,0.4,0,36.56,40.71,0,0,5.03,0,7.64,2.3 3
VK278_Denmark_(Bavarian-like),6.36,0.88,0,0.26,34.11,40.94,0,0.78,0,0,15.5 5,1.13
VK280_Denmark_(Belgian-like),4.57,0,1.14,0,38.62,41.11,0,0,4.02,1.68,7.98 ,0.88
VK282_Denmark_(German-like),6.51,0,0,0.72,30.74,48.64,1.62,0.49,2.5,0,7. 67,1.13
VK284_Denmark_(Polish-like),8.08,0.84,0,0,27.78,55.69,0,0,0,0,5.72,1.87
VK285_Denmark_(NW_German-like),10.21,0.04,0,0,34.71,45.01,0.83,0,0,0.79,7.1 3,1.28
VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like),9.83,0.07,0,0.32,41.4,30.92,0,0,1.4,0,14.68, 1.37
VK287_Denmark_(Russian-like),3.02,0.97,0.87,0,21.54,56.73,0.04,0.58,0.4,0 ,14.97,0.88
VK288_Denmark_(Swedish-like),6.68,0.36,0.4,0,34.85,50.52,0.98,0.69,1.32,0 ,4.07,0.14
VK289_Denmark_(Danish-like),7.45,1.1,1.01,0,35.12,49.67,0,0.39,0,0.12,3. 75,1.37
VK295_Denmark_(Danish-like),4.67,1.83,0,0,38.62,49.63,0,1.9,0,0,2.95,0.3 9
VK143_UK_Oxford_(Icelandic-like),6.89,0.86,0.02,0.00,35.55,48.82,1.14,0.14,0. 00,0.00,3.50,3.07
VK144_UK_Oxford_(Hungarian-like),7.73,0.00,0.00,2.68,27.33,46.04,2.09,0.00,0. 00,0.00,12.20,1.93
VK145_UK_Oxford_(German-like),7.89,2.20,1.72,0.87,30.09,48.36,0.00,0.00,1. 55,0.00,6.29,1.02
VK146_UK_Oxford_(NE_Italian-like),5.55,0.00,0.04,0.00,33.89,33.68,0.00,0.00,5. 74,0.00,19.49,1.62
VK147_UK_Oxford_(Icelandic-like),8.60,0.00,0.00,1.65,36.09,47.87,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.12,3.61,2.06
VK148_UK_Oxford_(Norwegian-like),4.56,0.00,3.35,1.23,36.34,53.24,0.00,1.28,0. 00,0.00,0.00,0.00
VK150_UK_Oxford_(Belgian-like),7.14,0.34,0.00,0.00,39.01,38.80,0.05,0.01,3. 34,0.18,9.56,1.57
VK151_UK_Oxford_(Norwegian-like),10.18,0.96,0.42,0.75,34.57,50.86,0.11,0.00,0 .00,0.00,0.19,1.97
VK165_UK_Oxford_(Icelandic-like),9.58,1.08,0.62,0.00,34.27,50.01,0.21,0.00,0. 12,1.19,0.81,2.10
VK167_UK_Oxford_(Swedish-like),8.17,0.58,0.89,0.03,30.42,52.13,0.59,0.29,1. 05,1.08,3.34,1.43
VK168_UK_Oxford_(Icelandic-like),7.39,0.00,0.00,1.30,37.63,48.54,0.00,0.00,0. 29,0.00,2.44,2.42
VK172_UK_Oxford_(Icelandic-like),6.62,0.00,0.00,0.26,33.28,51.17,0.76,0.00,2. 20,0.00,3.75,1.95
VK173_UK_Oxford_(Scottish-like),12.69,0.00,3.61,0.00,38.98,40.60,0.00,2.56,0 .00,0.00,1.57,0.00
VK174_UK_Oxford_(Icelandic-like),10.54,0.42,0.00,0.93,36.06,48.67,0.00,0.00,0 .00,0.00,1.24,2.14
VK175_UK_Oxford_(Norwegian-like),7.92,0.00,1.07,0.56,33.59,52.86,0.00,0.50,1. 16,0.47,0.00,1.86
VK176_UK_Oxford_(Norwegian-like),8.78,1.22,0.03,0.98,34.66,49.69,0.00,0.13,1. 02,0.00,0.00,3.49
VK177_UK_Oxford_(NW_French-like),7.15,0.44,1.27,0.85,39.69,42.08,0.44,0.00,0. 00,0.00,6.01,2.07
VK178_UK_Oxford_(Dutch-like),8.45,0.49,0.00,0.24,35.05,43.16,0.65,0.00,1. 40,0.00,8.42,2.15
VK256_UK_Dorset_(Norwegian-like),4.98,0.00,0.00,3.48,33.30,50.46,0.00,0.00,5. 17,0.00,0.00,2.62
VK257_UK_Dorset_(Irish-like),8.20,1.35,0.00,0.25,39.41,45.57,0.00,0.00,0. 32,0.00,2.18,2.72
VK258_UK_Dorset_(Icelandic-like),9.41,1.34,0.90,1.04,34.14,47.13,0.00,1.68,0. 45,0.00,3.01,0.91
VK259_UK_Dorset_(Icelandic-like),8.41,1.23,0.00,0.00,36.38,48.13,0.62,0.00,0. 35,0.00,2.11,2.77
VK260_UK_Dorset_(Irish-like),10.54,1.12,0.00,0.24,38.93,43.35,0.69,0.00,0 .00,0.00,3.18,1.96
VK261_UK_Dorset_(French-like),10.15,1.22,0.22,0.00,42.43,36.87,0.00,1.10,0 .00,0.00,6.24,1.76
VK262_UK_Dorset_(North_English-like),7.99,0.71,0.80,1.65,37.98,43.30,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.00,4.94,2.62
VK263_UK_Dorset_(Icelandic-like),10.27,2.02,0.11,0.00,33.11,47.95,0.63,0.00,0 .00,0.00,3.47,2.44
VK264_UK_Dorset_(Icelandic-like),8.70,1.00,0.58,0.80,32.67,48.11,0.00,0.00,1. 35,0.00,4.52,2.26
VK449_UK_Dorset_(Icelandic-like),10.64,1.52,0.26,0.00,33.45,47.41,0.59,0.71,0 .00,0.00,4.81,0.61
VK153_Poland_(Polish-Swedish-like),8.19,0.00,1.62,0.36,33.38,55.71,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.00,0.00,0.74
VK154_Poland_(Polish-like),4.53,0.00,0.01,0.00,26.63,58.35,0.00,0.00,0. 06,1.29,5.97,3.16
VK155_Poland_(Polish-like),6.51,0.00,0.84,0.00,27.86,53.32,0.48,0.78,1. 43,0.04,8.73,0.00
VK156_Poland_(Polish-like),2.00,1.25,0.00,0.53,27.22,57.22,1.21,0.00,0. 00,0.45,8.27,1.86
VK157_Poland_(Polish-like),2.01,0.65,0.00,0.71,26.18,59.11,0.80,0.00,3. 59,0.04,4.88,2.04
VK210_Poland_(Polish-like),2.69,0.00,0.00,0.00,25.79,54.58,0.44,0.00,0. 00,0.04,14.64,1.82
VK211_Poland_(Bavarian-like),3.98,0.56,2.55,1.80,34.00,36.14,0.00,0.00,2. 32,0.00,17.48,1.17
VK212_Poland_(Belarussian-like),5.25,0.00,1.20,0.00,19.80,60.93,0.00,1.36,0. 00,0.00,10.70,0.76
VK494_Poland_(Polish-like),3.95,0.34,0.00,0.00,25.63,60.85,0.86,0.90,0. 00,0.00,7.47,0.00
VK14_Russia_(NW_German-like),8.47,0.00,0.00,0.00,33.26,45.86,2.79,2.26,0. 00,0.49,6.43,0.43
VK16_Russia_(NW_German-like),6.51,3.44,0.00,1.21,33.48,46.92,0.00,0.00,3. 34,0.00,4.92,0.19
VK17_Russia_(West_Finnish-like),2.57,2.93,0.02,0.50,28.20,60.64,0.00,0.12,0. 01,0.00,3.78,1.23
VK20_Russia_(Swedish-like),7.97,2.97,0.00,0.00,34.49,52.27,0.00,1.34,0. 00,0.00,0.00,0.96
VK21_Russia_(West_Finnish-like),6.50,7.52,0.00,0.00,24.84,56.36,0.00,1.53,3. 25,0.00,0.00,0.00
VK22_Russia_(Dutch-like),12.28,0.53,2.62,0.00,31.72,41.85,0.00,0.35,0 .00,0.53,8.60,1.51
VK23_Russia_(Swedish-like),7.12,0.90,0.00,0.00,32.09,53.36,0.26,0.00,0. 67,0.00,3.54,2.06
VK159_Russia_(Belarussian-like),2.2,0,0,0,22.77,61.41,0.62,1.77,0,0,10.39,0. 83
VK160_Russia_(Russian-like),0.00,0.00,0.00,0.33,18.85,56.70,4.34,0.13,6. 51,1.92,10.62,0.61
VK223_Russia_(Swedish-like),6.67,0.00,0.00,2.29,33.58,54.50,0.74,0.00,0. 00,0.00,0.00,2.23
VK224_Russia_(Estonian-like),1.55,0.00,0.00,4.11,25.71,61.47,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.00,4.39,2.77
VK254_Russia_(Hungarian-like),5.70,2.06,0.00,0.00,24.84,39.50,1.23,0.56,6. 50,3.02,16.00,0.60
VK272_Russia_(Ukrainian-like),2.51,2.72,0.00,0.00,23.11,55.94,0.00,0.00,2. 61,0.00,10.96,2.15
VK273_Russia_(Polish-like),4.88,0.00,0.63,0.00,24.22,56.64,0.45,1.09,0. 00,2.14,9.54,0.41
VK466_Russia_(Russian-like),4.21,0.00,0.00,0.00,19.71,56.28,0.00,3.03,0. 62,3.90,12.25,0.00
VK539_Ukraine_(Polish-like),5.58,2.45,1.01,1.1,28.5,56.61,0,0.11,0,0,3.8 ,0.85
VK540_Ukraine_(Swedish-like),4.31,1.39,0.60,1.29,31.01,55.05,0.32,0.19,0. 00,0.00,4.95,0.88
VK541_Ukraine_(Ukrainian-like),3.43,2.08,0.53,0.00,22.27,52.01,0.07,0.00,2. 45,0.56,14.06,2.54
VK542_Ukraine_(Ukrainian-like),4.25,1.85,0.12,0.17,22.78,49.77,0.00,0.11,1. 45,0.31,16.97,2.23


do you have VK398 ?

Salento
04-05-21, 23:39
do you have VK398 ?



VK398_Dod_K12b,8.51,1.82,0.00,0.00,35.33,41.96,0.0 0,0.00,0.68,0.00,10.07,1.61
VK17_Dod_K12b,2.57,2.93,0.02,0.50,28.20,60.64,0.00 ,0.12,0.01,0.00,3.78,1.23

Duarte
05-05-21, 00:10
Thx Maciamo (and thx Jovialis too)
Mine, data post #2, data post #286 and data posts (#2) + (#286). At the and I play with data ‘(#2) + (#286)’ calculating admixtures with distances >1 and <2.







Distance to:
Duarte


6.17150711
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.71266713
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.86048341
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.27186764
Latins_(n=4)


12.12435978
Villanovans_(n=2)


13.33091895
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


14.03098001
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


14.05696980
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


14.52055095
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


14.84792915
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


15.04884381
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


15.13849068
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


15.21667178
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


15.30209790
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.31625933
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


16.25126149
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


16.54298643
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


16.76632041
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


17.46561765
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


17.48110694
Middle_Bronze_Age_Portugal_(n=4)


18.85846229
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


18.93396947
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


20.69150309
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


20.72670500
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


20.81037962
Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)

















Distance to:
Duarte


11.34021164
VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)


11.77031860
VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)


16.66366106
VK146_UK_Oxford_(NE_Italian-like)


16.84747162
VK84_Denmark_(North_French-like)


16.99850876
VK211_Poland_(Bavarian-like)


17.71131842
VK261_UK_Dorset_(French-like)


17.92253051
VK150_UK_Oxford_(Belgian-like)


19.66530956
VK138_Denmark_(Belgian-like)


20.21818736
VK280_Denmark_(Belgian-like)


20.41495040
VK276_Denmark_(Belgian-like)


21.32140708
VK278_Denmark_(Bavarian-like)


21.41239828
VK92_Denmark_(NW_French-like)


21.50960948
VK177_UK_Oxford_(NW_French-like)


23.09795229
VK178_UK_Oxford_(Dutch-like)


23.21924202
VK173_UK_Oxford_(Scottish-like)


23.29828749
VK262_UK_Dorset_(North_English-like)


23.71635301
VK22_Russia_(Dutch-like)


24.26826941
VK94_Denmark_(Irish-like)


24.54090870
VK260_UK_Dorset_(Irish-like)


25.59980078
VK254_Russia_(Hungarian-like)


25.63136555
VK285_Denmark_(NW_German-like)


26.30090303
VK257_UK_Dorset_(Irish-like)


26.90469104
VK14_Russia_(NW_German-like)


27.89488842
VK16_Russia_(NW_German-like)


28.37764789
VK147_UK_Oxford_(Icelandic-like)









Distance to:
Duarte


6.17150711
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.71266713
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.86048341
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.27186764
Latins_(n=4)


11.34021164
VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)


11.77031860
VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)


12.12435978
Villanovans_(n=2)


13.33091895
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


14.03098001
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


14.05696980
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


14.52055095
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


14.84792915
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


15.04884381
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


15.13849068
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


15.21667178
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


15.30209790
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.31625933
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


16.25126149
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


16.54298643
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


16.66366106
VK146_UK_Oxford_(NE_Italian-like)


16.76632041
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


16.84747162
VK84_Denmark_(North_French-like)


16.99850876
VK211_Poland_(Bavarian-like)


17.46561765
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


17.48110694
Middle_Bronze_Age_Portugal_(n=4)










Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.5016% / 1.50163009




48.0
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





16.2
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)





12.3
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





9.3
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





6.7
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)





6.5
VK262_UK_Dorset_(North_English-like)





1.0
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)












Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.5358% / 1.53584183 | R7P




46.4
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





14.6
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)





12.8
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





9.9
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





9.6
VK262_UK_Dorset_(North_English-like)





6.7
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.5466% / 1.54662912 | R6P




41.6
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





16.9
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





15.9
VK262_UK_Dorset_(North_English-like)





10.9
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)





8.7
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





6.0
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.6336% / 1.63363287 | R5P




53.0
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





20.1
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)





11.5
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





7.9
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





7.5
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.9847% / 1.98472593 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC




36.5
VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)





28.1
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





18.5
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





12.1
VK262_UK_Dorset_(North_English-like)





4.8
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)

Salento
05-05-21, 00:22
... the Medieval_Foggia_Apulia are VK samples.
Others are labeled Vikings,
then it should read:
... Vikings_from_Foggia_Apulia ... I think!

https://i.imgur.com/mgfWJUq.gif

Palermo Trapani
05-05-21, 01:13
Updated results with the Vikings included from Maciamo's post #286. Imperial Romans from Marche Region my closest along with various Romans from different periods (counting the Italian Greeks from the Republican period) and Medieval Foggia_Puglia samples are all < 10. My updated results are consistent with Jovialis's results from his post #287 (and I would bet Salento's as well).


Distance to:
PalermoTrapani_Combined


3.68146710
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


4.53751033
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


6.36689877
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


6.83698764
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


7.26249957
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


9.26208940
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


10.19573931
EMBA_Greece_(n=6)


10.67402923
Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


12.65821867
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


13.66139085
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


17.50304259
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


17.97204496
Etruscans_(n=3)


18.78715785
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


19.21764814
Villanovans_(n=2)


19.47868835
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7)


19.82548864
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


20.30116992
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


20.65298526
Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)


20.75404539
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2)


20.80088940
Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


20.96465359
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


21.32149151
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)


21.65835174
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


23.41742941
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=8)


23.99095455
Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6)


24.33245158
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15)


24.55982695
LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8)


24.76610991
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


24.84524099
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


25.89569848
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)

italouruguayan
05-05-21, 02:21
Mine...

Distance to: italouruguayan
15.57371504 VK146_UK_Oxford_(NE_Italian-like)
15.81657991 VK254_Russia_(Hungarian-like)
16.90516193 VK211_Poland_(Bavarian-like)
17.68039592 VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)
20.15247131 VK84_Denmark_(North_French-like)
20.30027093 VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)
20.95378725 VK278_Denmark_(Bavarian-like)
22.37674016 VK150_UK_Oxford_(Belgian-like)
22.77474039 VK22_Russia_(Dutch-like)
22.86602720 VK276_Denmark_(Belgian-like)
23.76862007 VK280_Denmark_(Belgian-like)
23.84662869 VK274_Denmark_(Hungarian-like)
24.13751851 VK178_UK_Oxford_(Dutch-like)
24.27976730 VK144_UK_Oxford_(Hungarian-like)
24.45169115 VK92_Denmark_(NW_French-like)
24.50674193 VK138_Denmark_(Belgian-like)
25.40579855 VK261_UK_Dorset_(French-like)
26.35963012 VK285_Denmark_(NW_German-like)
26.46994333 VK177_UK_Oxford_(NW_French-like)

torzio
06-05-21, 19:15
Here are the coordinates for all the individual Viking samples I have analysed at the moment. Next to the sample ID is the location where the bones were found and what modern population that individual resembles most. This is necessary as this study showed that the Vikings were not just Scandinavians, but a disparate bunch of adventurers from all over Europe. Only about half of all Vikings were of Scandinavian origin.


VK84_Denmark_(North_French-like),5.95,0,1.93,1.32,36.68,37.97,0,0.38,3.35,0.0 8,10.41,1.91
VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like),7.73,2.88,0,0,40,30.74,0,0,4.08,0,13.36,1.2
VK92_Denmark_(NW_French-like),8.78,0.54,0,0.78,37.46,40.99,2.34,1.69,0,0,7 .43,0
VK94_Denmark_(Irish-like),10.13,0,4.52,0.11,38.77,42.87,1.5,0.21,0,0,1 .87,0
VK134_Denmark_(Danish-like),6.34,0.88,1.17,0,35.89,50.25,0,0.06,0.65,0,4 .43,0.34
VK138_Denmark_(Belgian-like),5.52,0.27,0,0.55,39.59,40.51,0,1.84,2.77,0,7 .63,1.31
VK139_Denmark_(Belarussian-like),2.23,0,1.31,0.4,23.61,58.58,3.05,0.2,1.95,0, 7.79,0.88
VK141_Denmark_(Swedish-like),8.74,0.65,0,1.1,34.15,51.26,0.75,0.14,1.21,0 ,0.7,1.29
VK274_Denmark_(Hungarian-like),7.61,0.4,0.53,0,27.31,46.67,0,0.06,2.09,1.54 ,12.28,1.49
VK275_Denmark_(Swedish-like),9.76,0,0,0,32.57,48.63,1.9,0,0,0.11,5.71,1.3 1
VK276_Denmark_(Belgian-like),7.32,0,0.4,0,36.56,40.71,0,0,5.03,0,7.64,2.3 3
VK278_Denmark_(Bavarian-like),6.36,0.88,0,0.26,34.11,40.94,0,0.78,0,0,15.5 5,1.13
VK280_Denmark_(Belgian-like),4.57,0,1.14,0,38.62,41.11,0,0,4.02,1.68,7.98 ,0.88
VK282_Denmark_(German-like),6.51,0,0,0.72,30.74,48.64,1.62,0.49,2.5,0,7. 67,1.13
VK284_Denmark_(Polish-like),8.08,0.84,0,0,27.78,55.69,0,0,0,0,5.72,1.87
VK285_Denmark_(NW_German-like),10.21,0.04,0,0,34.71,45.01,0.83,0,0,0.79,7.1 3,1.28
VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like),9.83,0.07,0,0.32,41.4,30.92,0,0,1.4,0,14.68, 1.37
VK287_Denmark_(Russian-like),3.02,0.97,0.87,0,21.54,56.73,0.04,0.58,0.4,0 ,14.97,0.88
VK288_Denmark_(Swedish-like),6.68,0.36,0.4,0,34.85,50.52,0.98,0.69,1.32,0 ,4.07,0.14
VK289_Denmark_(Danish-like),7.45,1.1,1.01,0,35.12,49.67,0,0.39,0,0.12,3. 75,1.37
VK295_Denmark_(Danish-like),4.67,1.83,0,0,38.62,49.63,0,1.9,0,0,2.95,0.3 9
VK143_UK_Oxford_(Icelandic-like),6.89,0.86,0.02,0.00,35.55,48.82,1.14,0.14,0. 00,0.00,3.50,3.07
VK144_UK_Oxford_(Hungarian-like),7.73,0.00,0.00,2.68,27.33,46.04,2.09,0.00,0. 00,0.00,12.20,1.93
VK145_UK_Oxford_(German-like),7.89,2.20,1.72,0.87,30.09,48.36,0.00,0.00,1. 55,0.00,6.29,1.02
VK146_UK_Oxford_(NE_Italian-like),5.55,0.00,0.04,0.00,33.89,33.68,0.00,0.00,5. 74,0.00,19.49,1.62
VK147_UK_Oxford_(Icelandic-like),8.60,0.00,0.00,1.65,36.09,47.87,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.12,3.61,2.06
VK148_UK_Oxford_(Norwegian-like),4.56,0.00,3.35,1.23,36.34,53.24,0.00,1.28,0. 00,0.00,0.00,0.00
VK150_UK_Oxford_(Belgian-like),7.14,0.34,0.00,0.00,39.01,38.80,0.05,0.01,3. 34,0.18,9.56,1.57
VK151_UK_Oxford_(Norwegian-like),10.18,0.96,0.42,0.75,34.57,50.86,0.11,0.00,0 .00,0.00,0.19,1.97
VK165_UK_Oxford_(Icelandic-like),9.58,1.08,0.62,0.00,34.27,50.01,0.21,0.00,0. 12,1.19,0.81,2.10
VK167_UK_Oxford_(Swedish-like),8.17,0.58,0.89,0.03,30.42,52.13,0.59,0.29,1. 05,1.08,3.34,1.43
VK168_UK_Oxford_(Icelandic-like),7.39,0.00,0.00,1.30,37.63,48.54,0.00,0.00,0. 29,0.00,2.44,2.42
VK172_UK_Oxford_(Icelandic-like),6.62,0.00,0.00,0.26,33.28,51.17,0.76,0.00,2. 20,0.00,3.75,1.95
VK173_UK_Oxford_(Scottish-like),12.69,0.00,3.61,0.00,38.98,40.60,0.00,2.56,0 .00,0.00,1.57,0.00
VK174_UK_Oxford_(Icelandic-like),10.54,0.42,0.00,0.93,36.06,48.67,0.00,0.00,0 .00,0.00,1.24,2.14
VK175_UK_Oxford_(Norwegian-like),7.92,0.00,1.07,0.56,33.59,52.86,0.00,0.50,1. 16,0.47,0.00,1.86
VK176_UK_Oxford_(Norwegian-like),8.78,1.22,0.03,0.98,34.66,49.69,0.00,0.13,1. 02,0.00,0.00,3.49
VK177_UK_Oxford_(NW_French-like),7.15,0.44,1.27,0.85,39.69,42.08,0.44,0.00,0. 00,0.00,6.01,2.07
VK178_UK_Oxford_(Dutch-like),8.45,0.49,0.00,0.24,35.05,43.16,0.65,0.00,1. 40,0.00,8.42,2.15
VK256_UK_Dorset_(Norwegian-like),4.98,0.00,0.00,3.48,33.30,50.46,0.00,0.00,5. 17,0.00,0.00,2.62
VK257_UK_Dorset_(Irish-like),8.20,1.35,0.00,0.25,39.41,45.57,0.00,0.00,0. 32,0.00,2.18,2.72
VK258_UK_Dorset_(Icelandic-like),9.41,1.34,0.90,1.04,34.14,47.13,0.00,1.68,0. 45,0.00,3.01,0.91
VK259_UK_Dorset_(Icelandic-like),8.41,1.23,0.00,0.00,36.38,48.13,0.62,0.00,0. 35,0.00,2.11,2.77
VK260_UK_Dorset_(Irish-like),10.54,1.12,0.00,0.24,38.93,43.35,0.69,0.00,0 .00,0.00,3.18,1.96
VK261_UK_Dorset_(French-like),10.15,1.22,0.22,0.00,42.43,36.87,0.00,1.10,0 .00,0.00,6.24,1.76
VK262_UK_Dorset_(North_English-like),7.99,0.71,0.80,1.65,37.98,43.30,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.00,4.94,2.62
VK263_UK_Dorset_(Icelandic-like),10.27,2.02,0.11,0.00,33.11,47.95,0.63,0.00,0 .00,0.00,3.47,2.44
VK264_UK_Dorset_(Icelandic-like),8.70,1.00,0.58,0.80,32.67,48.11,0.00,0.00,1. 35,0.00,4.52,2.26
VK449_UK_Dorset_(Icelandic-like),10.64,1.52,0.26,0.00,33.45,47.41,0.59,0.71,0 .00,0.00,4.81,0.61
VK153_Poland_(Polish-Swedish-like),8.19,0.00,1.62,0.36,33.38,55.71,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.00,0.00,0.74
VK154_Poland_(Polish-like),4.53,0.00,0.01,0.00,26.63,58.35,0.00,0.00,0. 06,1.29,5.97,3.16
VK155_Poland_(Polish-like),6.51,0.00,0.84,0.00,27.86,53.32,0.48,0.78,1. 43,0.04,8.73,0.00
VK156_Poland_(Polish-like),2.00,1.25,0.00,0.53,27.22,57.22,1.21,0.00,0. 00,0.45,8.27,1.86
VK157_Poland_(Polish-like),2.01,0.65,0.00,0.71,26.18,59.11,0.80,0.00,3. 59,0.04,4.88,2.04
VK210_Poland_(Polish-like),2.69,0.00,0.00,0.00,25.79,54.58,0.44,0.00,0. 00,0.04,14.64,1.82
VK211_Poland_(Bavarian-like),3.98,0.56,2.55,1.80,34.00,36.14,0.00,0.00,2. 32,0.00,17.48,1.17
VK212_Poland_(Belarussian-like),5.25,0.00,1.20,0.00,19.80,60.93,0.00,1.36,0. 00,0.00,10.70,0.76
VK494_Poland_(Polish-like),3.95,0.34,0.00,0.00,25.63,60.85,0.86,0.90,0. 00,0.00,7.47,0.00
VK14_Russia_(NW_German-like),8.47,0.00,0.00,0.00,33.26,45.86,2.79,2.26,0. 00,0.49,6.43,0.43
VK16_Russia_(NW_German-like),6.51,3.44,0.00,1.21,33.48,46.92,0.00,0.00,3. 34,0.00,4.92,0.19
VK17_Russia_(West_Finnish-like),2.57,2.93,0.02,0.50,28.20,60.64,0.00,0.12,0. 01,0.00,3.78,1.23
VK20_Russia_(Swedish-like),7.97,2.97,0.00,0.00,34.49,52.27,0.00,1.34,0. 00,0.00,0.00,0.96
VK21_Russia_(West_Finnish-like),6.50,7.52,0.00,0.00,24.84,56.36,0.00,1.53,3. 25,0.00,0.00,0.00
VK22_Russia_(Dutch-like),12.28,0.53,2.62,0.00,31.72,41.85,0.00,0.35,0 .00,0.53,8.60,1.51
VK23_Russia_(Swedish-like),7.12,0.90,0.00,0.00,32.09,53.36,0.26,0.00,0. 67,0.00,3.54,2.06
VK159_Russia_(Belarussian-like),2.2,0,0,0,22.77,61.41,0.62,1.77,0,0,10.39,0. 83
VK160_Russia_(Russian-like),0.00,0.00,0.00,0.33,18.85,56.70,4.34,0.13,6. 51,1.92,10.62,0.61
VK223_Russia_(Swedish-like),6.67,0.00,0.00,2.29,33.58,54.50,0.74,0.00,0. 00,0.00,0.00,2.23
VK224_Russia_(Estonian-like),1.55,0.00,0.00,4.11,25.71,61.47,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.00,4.39,2.77
VK254_Russia_(Hungarian-like),5.70,2.06,0.00,0.00,24.84,39.50,1.23,0.56,6. 50,3.02,16.00,0.60
VK272_Russia_(Ukrainian-like),2.51,2.72,0.00,0.00,23.11,55.94,0.00,0.00,2. 61,0.00,10.96,2.15
VK273_Russia_(Polish-like),4.88,0.00,0.63,0.00,24.22,56.64,0.45,1.09,0. 00,2.14,9.54,0.41
VK466_Russia_(Russian-like),4.21,0.00,0.00,0.00,19.71,56.28,0.00,3.03,0. 62,3.90,12.25,0.00
VK539_Ukraine_(Polish-like),5.58,2.45,1.01,1.1,28.5,56.61,0,0.11,0,0,3.8 ,0.85
VK540_Ukraine_(Swedish-like),4.31,1.39,0.60,1.29,31.01,55.05,0.32,0.19,0. 00,0.00,4.95,0.88
VK541_Ukraine_(Ukrainian-like),3.43,2.08,0.53,0.00,22.27,52.01,0.07,0.00,2. 45,0.56,14.06,2.54
VK542_Ukraine_(Ukrainian-like),4.25,1.85,0.12,0.17,22.78,49.77,0.00,0.11,1. 45,0.31,16.97,2.23


running only these vikings for myself



Distance to:
Torziok12b


6.71382901
VK146_UK_Oxford_(NE_Italian-like)


9.98428265
VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)


10.56878423
VK211_Poland_(Bavarian-like)


10.69089800
VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)


15.02864598
VK84_Denmark_(North_French-like)


15.59574621
VK278_Denmark_(Bavarian-like)


16.41596784
VK150_UK_Oxford_(Belgian-like)


17.18592156
VK254_Russia_(Hungarian-like)


18.62519530
VK276_Denmark_(Belgian-like)


18.81521725
VK398_Dod_K12b


19.03674342
VK280_Denmark_(Belgian-like)


19.23214237
VK138_Denmark_(Belgian-like)


19.85872856
VK261_UK_Dorset_(French-like)


20.13413768
VK92_Denmark_(NW_French-like)


20.47141177
VK178_UK_Oxford_(Dutch-like)


20.75317084
VK22_Russia_(Dutch-like)


21.90162551
VK177_UK_Oxford_(NW_French-like)


22.76705515
VK274_Denmark_(Hungarian-like)


22.97880328
VK144_UK_Oxford_(Hungarian-like)


23.11515520
VK285_Denmark_(NW_German-like)


23.33507446
VK262_UK_Dorset_(North_English-like)


24.28777676
VK14_Russia_(NW_German-like)


24.87670999
VK260_UK_Dorset_(Irish-like)


25.01333045
VK173_UK_Oxford_(Scottish-like)


25.38124701
VK16_Russia_(NW_German-like)








Target: TorzioK12b
Distance: 5.8428% / 5.84284267





81.8
VK146_UK_Oxford_(NE_Italian-like)






11.0
VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)






7.2
VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)







Distance to:
Torziok12b


6.24041233
22.20% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 77.80% VK146_UK_Oxford_(NE_Italian-like)


6.32508813
22.60% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 77.40% VK146_UK_Oxford_(NE_Italian-like)


8.76197329
55.20% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 44.80% VK211_Poland_(Bavarian-like)


8.91695593
49.00% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 51.00% VK211_Poland_(Bavarian-like)


9.09315740
72.20% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 27.80% VK254_Russia_(Hungarian-like)


9.22594592
79.20% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 20.80% VK254_Russia_(Hungarian-like)


9.82615866
93.20% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 6.80% VK542_Ukraine_(Ukrainian-like)


9.94320106
81.20% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 18.80% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)


9.94381812
93.00% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 7.00% VK278_Denmark_(Bavarian-like)


9.95109799
97.20% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 2.80% VK541_Ukraine_(Ukrainian-like)


9.96260640
98.00% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 2.00% VK287_Denmark_(Russian-like)


9.97045664
98.40% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 1.60% VK160_Russia_(Russian-like)


9.97811884
99.00% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 1.00% VK466_Russia_(Russian-like)


9.98125727
98.80% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 1.20% VK274_Denmark_(Hungarian-like)


9.98140990
99.20% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 0.80% VK210_Poland_(Polish-like)


9.98366628
99.40% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 0.60% VK144_UK_Oxford_(Hungarian-like)


10.29407448
89.40% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 10.60% VK542_Ukraine_(Ukrainian-like)


10.46086388
94.00% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 6.00% VK160_Russia_(Russian-like)


10.46467859
92.60% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 7.40% VK541_Ukraine_(Ukrainian-like)


10.56672895
95.20% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 4.80% VK287_Denmark_(Russian-like)


10.57612515
12.00% VK278_Denmark_(Bavarian-like) + 88.00% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)


10.60564122
96.00% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 4.00% VK466_Russia_(Russian-like)


10.60929769
6.20% VK274_Denmark_(Hungarian-like) + 93.80% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)


10.63756673
96.40% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 3.60% VK210_Poland_(Polish-like)


10.64609001
97.00% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 3.00% VK272_Russia_(Ukrainian-like)

torzio
06-05-21, 19:16
Distance to:
Torziok12b


6.24041233
22.20% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 77.80% VK146_UK_Oxford_(NE_Italian-like)


6.32508813
22.60% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 77.40% VK146_UK_Oxford_(NE_Italian-like)


8.76197329
55.20% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 44.80% VK211_Poland_(Bavarian-like)


8.91695593
49.00% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 51.00% VK211_Poland_(Bavarian-like)


9.09315740
72.20% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 27.80% VK254_Russia_(Hungarian-like)


9.22594592
79.20% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 20.80% VK254_Russia_(Hungarian-like)


9.82615866
93.20% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 6.80% VK542_Ukraine_(Ukrainian-like)


9.94320106
81.20% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 18.80% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)


9.94381812
93.00% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 7.00% VK278_Denmark_(Bavarian-like)


9.95109799
97.20% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 2.80% VK541_Ukraine_(Ukrainian-like)


9.96260640
98.00% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 2.00% VK287_Denmark_(Russian-like)


9.97045664
98.40% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 1.60% VK160_Russia_(Russian-like)


9.97811884
99.00% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 1.00% VK466_Russia_(Russian-like)


9.98125727
98.80% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 1.20% VK274_Denmark_(Hungarian-like)


9.98140990
99.20% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 0.80% VK210_Poland_(Polish-like)


9.98366628
99.40% VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 0.60% VK144_UK_Oxford_(Hungarian-like)


10.29407448
89.40% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 10.60% VK542_Ukraine_(Ukrainian-like)


10.46086388
94.00% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 6.00% VK160_Russia_(Russian-like)


10.46467859
92.60% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 7.40% VK541_Ukraine_(Ukrainian-like)


10.56672895
95.20% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 4.80% VK287_Denmark_(Russian-like)


10.57612515
12.00% VK278_Denmark_(Bavarian-like) + 88.00% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)


10.60564122
96.00% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 4.00% VK466_Russia_(Russian-like)


10.60929769
6.20% VK274_Denmark_(Hungarian-like) + 93.80% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)


10.63756673
96.40% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 3.60% VK210_Poland_(Polish-like)


10.64609001
97.00% VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like) + 3.00% VK272_Russia_(Ukrainian-like)

Twilight
08-05-21, 21:28
Do you have any Mesoamerican Gedmatch numbers that can be used for Vahaduo Dodecad 12B?
There might be some Euro/Native American mix or Latin Americans; like my Step-Dad that would want to compare their DNA with the Vahaduo 12B calculator; Or at least Vahaduo MDLP 22. :)

Duarte
08-05-21, 22:49
Do you have any Mesoamerican Gedmatch numbers that can be used for Vahaduo Dodecad 12B?
There might be some Euro/Native American mix or Latin Americans; like my Step-Dad that would want to compare their DNA with the Vahaduo 12B calculator; Or at least Vahaduo MDLP 22. :)

These are ancient Native Americans on Gedmatch. Try to use one of them or all of them adding it’s coordinates Dodecad K12b to Maciamo data source and see what’s happen.



Bot15
Rio Doce, Minas Gerais, Brazil
F999963*
M
C-PH3092
B4a1a1a
~1600 AD


Bot17
Rio Doce, Minas Gerais, Brazil
F999964*
M
C-Z31878
B4a1a1
~1600 AD


Kennewick Man
Kennewick, Washington state, USA
F999970*
M
Q-M199
X2a
8358 years


*Gedmatch Kit

KennwickMan,8.45,3.29,0.00,4.68,0.00,24.03,2.57,0. 00,0.00,27.82,0.00,2.16
Botocudo15,0.69,0.00,0.35,60.66,0.35,3.45,10.64,0. 00,0.42,22.73,0.00,0.72
Botocudo17,0.00,0.82,0.00,60.75,0.00,2.30,11.03,0. 00,0.00,24.63,0.00,0.47

italouruguayan
08-05-21, 23:35
These are ancient Native Americans on Gedmatch. Try to use one of them or all of them adding it’s coordinates Dodecad K12b to Maciamo data source and see what’s happen.



Bot15
Rio Doce, Minas Gerais, Brazil
F999963*
M
C-PH3092
B4a1a1a
~1600 AD


Bot17
Rio Doce, Minas Gerais, Brazil
F999964*
M
C-Z31878
B4a1a1
~1600 AD


Kennewick Man
Kennewick, Washington state, USA
F999970*
M
Q-M199
X2a
8358 years


*Gedmatch Kit

KennwickMan,8.45,3.29,0.00,4.68,0.00,24.03,2.57,0. 00,0.00,27.82,0.00,2.16
Botocudo15,0.69,0.00,0.35,60.66,0.35,3.45,10.64,0. 00,0.42,22.73,0.00,0.72
Botocudo17,0.00,0.82,0.00,60.75,0.00,2.30,11.03,0. 00,0.00,24.63,0.00,0.47

My results...

Distance to: italouruguayan

38.73705074 KennwickMan
72.76170971 Botocudo15
73.86712327 Botocudo17

Duarte
09-05-21, 01:41
These are ancient Native Americans on Gedmatch. Try to use one of them or all of them adding it’s coordinates Dodecad K12b to Maciamo data source and see what’s happen.



Bot15
Rio Doce, Minas Gerais, Brazil
F999963*
M
C-PH3092
B4a1a1a
~1600 AD


Bot17
Rio Doce, Minas Gerais, Brazil
F999964*
M
C-Z31878
B4a1a1
~1600 AD


Kennewick Man
Kennewick, Washington state, USA
F999970*
M
Q-M199
X2a
8358 years


*Gedmatch Kit

KennwickMan,8.45,3.29,0.00,4.68,0.00,24.03,2.57,0. 00,0.00,27.82,0.00,2.16
Botocudo15,0.69,0.00,0.35,60.66,0.35,3.45,10.64,0. 00,0.42,22.73,0.00,0.72
Botocudo17,0.00,0.82,0.00,60.75,0.00,2.30,11.03,0. 00,0.00,24.63,0.00,0.47

My results...
Distance to: italouruguayan
38.73705074 KennwickMan
72.76170971 Botocudo15
73.86712327 Botocudo17

The only truly Amerindian is Kennwick. Bot15 and Bot17 are not Amerindians. They probably correspond to the Polynesian skulls wrongly identified as botocudo. Bot15 and Bot17 are not Amerindians, according to DODECAD world 9.

italouruguayan
09-05-21, 04:36
The only truly Amerindian is Kennwick. Bot15 and Bot17 are not Amerindians. They probably correspond to the Polynesian skulls wrongly identified as botocudo. Bot15 and Bot17 are not Amerindians, according to DODECAD world 9.


It sounds logical ... especially considering the enormous difference between my distances with Kennewick and the Botocudos ...

Duarte
09-05-21, 17:42
Playing with admixtures distances (>1 and <5)




Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.4830% / 1.48299702




52.0
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





19.7
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)





10.0
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





9.5
Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





7.0
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)





1.8
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)






Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.6138% / 1.61382644 | R7P




35.2
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





18.9
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)





15.8
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





12.6
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





11.2
Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





6.3
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)









Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.6151% / 1.61511000 | R6P




33.8
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





18.8
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)





17.0
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





13.0
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





11.2
Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





6.2
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)














Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.7724% / 1.77242631 | R5P




46.9
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





21.9
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





16.6
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)





10.7
Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





3.9
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)









Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.7965% / 1.79650761 | R4P | ADC: 0.25x RC




56.9
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





21.2
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)





13.0
Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





8.9
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)










Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.0215% / 2.02148464 | R7P | ADC: 0.25x RC




31.1
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





28.1
Latins_(n=4)





15.5
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





13.2
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)





6.3
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





5.8
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)









Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.5614% / 2.56136519 | R4P | ADC: 0.25x RC




44.6
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





32.6
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





13.7
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





9.1
Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.6422% / 2.64221838 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC




44.8
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)





29.7
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





16.6
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)





5.1
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





3.8
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)









Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.1782% / 3.17820510 | R7P | ADC: 0.5x RC




43.9
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





23.8
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)





16.9
Latins_(n=4)





15.4
Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.2011% / 3.20109738 | R5P | ADC: 0.5x RC




41.3
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)





40.9
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





9.8
Latins_(n=4)





8.0
Iron_Age_Kangju_(n=4)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.2610% / 3.26098011 | R3P




45.8
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





38.5
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)





15.7
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.1420% / 4.14199492 | ADC: 0.5x RC




44.9
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)





29.2
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





25.9
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)









Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.3416% / 4.34164051 | R6P | ADC: 0.25x RC




45.3
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





27.1
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





18.1
Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





9.5
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)









Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.6642% / 4.66417136 | R2P




52.4
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





47.6
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)









Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.8532% / 4.85323448 | R2P | ADC: 0.5x RC




50.9
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





49.1
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)

Maciamo
15-05-21, 11:43
I have just added 12 Norwegian Viking samples (I updated this post (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/41206-Eupedia-Ancient-Ethnicities-Checker-reliably-compare-your-DNA-to-ancient-populations/page8?p=623469&viewfull=1#post623469) with individual samples). They are also ethnically mixed, like the other Vikings so far. Overall these 12 samples have an average closer to modern Swedes.

Archetype0ne
15-05-21, 16:56
https://i.imgur.com/99z4fw1.png

One of the only times I get better results in single mode than multi or two way.

Archetype0ne
15-05-21, 17:03
https://i.imgur.com/UBgnSnF.png

https://i.imgur.com/ne6yZyN.png

https://i.imgur.com/oTv5VSc.png

Ill compare these calculator with the Vahaduo's K12b Ancient Database in the following post.

Archetype0ne
15-05-21, 17:09
Vahaduo K12b Ancient:

LOL





Target: Archetype0ne
Distance: 0.0719% / 0.07192577




5.0
RISE568¬_Brandysek_Czech_Republic





4.9
R71_Imperial_Era_ANAS





4.7
I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete





4.6
I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete





4.2
scy305_Scythian





4.1
I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis





4.0
RISE145_Polwica_Poland_3677_years





3.4
I10854_NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE





3.4
RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years





3.0
R78_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis





2.6
I3716_Ukraine_Neolithic





2.6
RISE435_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4094_years





2.5
I4112_Ukraine_Neolithic





2.4
ANI152_Varna





2.4
Bockstein_Mesolithic_Germany





2.4
R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis





2.3
I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily





2.1
I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete





1.8
Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge





1.8
RISE42_Marbjerg_Denmark_3681_years





1.8
RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary





1.7
I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2





1.5
Bavaria_BB_II5524





1.4
R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis





1.2
I4081_Iron_Gates_HG





1.2
R128_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce





1.1
I7796_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana





1.1
R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica





1.1
RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro





1.0
I11442_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II





1.0
RISE431_Leki_Male_Poland_3762_years





0.9
I8212_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1_atypical





0.9
MX310_Switzerland_LN





0.9
Szolad19





0.8
I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2





0.8
I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete





0.8
R1551_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo





0.8
RISE397_Kapan_Armenia_2807_years





0.7
R43_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis





0.7
R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis





0.6
I0174_BAM25_Starcevo_EN_Alsónyék-Bátaszék_Mérnöki_telep_Hungary_5710-5530_calBCE





0.6
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge





0.6
RISE373_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3476_years





0.6
RISE598_Turlojiske_Lithuania_2590_years





0.5
ASH2-3_Iron_Age1





0.5
Collegno31





0.5
I2318_Peloponnese_Neolithic





0.5
RISE247_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3372_years





0.5
RISE47_Sebber_skole_Denmark_3153_years





0.5
Szolad18





0.4
CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3243





0.4
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge





0.4
I5402_Iron_Gates_HG





0.4
R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata





0.4
RISE1_Oblaczkowo_Poland_4117_years





0.4
RISE471_Untermeitingen_Germany





0.3
I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete





0.3
I2425_Balkans_Chalcolithic





0.3
I3878_Sicily_LBA_Marcita





0.3
I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP





0.3
R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis





0.3
R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS





0.3
R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti





0.3
RISE567_Knezeves_Czech_Republic





0.2
ASH033_Late_Bronze_Age





0.2
Collegno102





0.2
France_IA_COL153A





0.2
France_IA_NOR3-15





0.2
I0012_Molta2_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE





0.2
I0176_SZEH4_LBKT_EN_Szemely-Hegyes_Hungary_5210-4940_calBCE





0.2
I0706_Balkans_Neolithic





0.2
I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE





0.2
I1727_AG_83_3082_Early_MPPNB





0.2
I2181_Balkans_Chalcolithic_outlier





0.2
I3498_Balkans_Neolithic





0.2
I3708_Peloponnese_Neolithic





0.2
MX254_Switzerland_LN





0.2
RISE479_Erd_4_Hungary_~2000_years





0.1
BronzeAgeNorthernSpain_I2472





0.1
France_IA_PECH5





0.1
I0633_Balkans_Neolithic





0.1
I0679_Krepost_Neolithic





0.1
I1298_Balkans_Neolithic





0.1
I2431_Balkans_Chalcolithic





0.1
I3125_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II





0.1
I4089_Balkans_Chalcolithic





0.1
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete





0.1
R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis





0.1
R19_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado





0.1
RISE21_Karlstrup_Denmark_3092_years





0.1
RISE569_Brandysek_Czech_Republic_~2000_years





0.1
scy300_Scythian






Had to change Cycles, ADC to make this more digestable.


Target: Archetype0ne
Distance: 1.5838% / 1.58378609 | ADC: 0.25x RC




32.3
Szolad37





18.3
I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge





16.0
Szolad20





14.4
scy197_Scythian





10.7
I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2





6.6
MX265_Switzerland_LN





1.7
scy305_Scythian






https://i.imgur.com/PludyuL.png


https://imgur.com/PludyuL

Duarte
15-05-21, 18:03
Individual VKK


Distance to:
Duarte


11.34021164
VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)


11.77031860
VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)


16.66366106
VK146_UK_Oxford_(NE_Italian-like)


16.84747162
VK84_Denmark_(North_French-like)


16.99850876
VK211_Poland_(Bavarian-like)


17.71131842
VK261_UK_Dorset_(French-like)


17.92253051
VK150_UK_Oxford_(Belgian-like)


19.66530956
VK138_Denmark_(Belgian-like)


20.21818736
VK280_Denmark_(Belgian-like)


20.41495040
VK276_Denmark_(Belgian-like)


21.32140708
VK278_Denmark_(Bavarian-like)


21.41239828
VK92_Denmark_(NW_French-like)


21.50960948
VK177_UK_Oxford_(NW_French-like)


23.09795229
VK178_UK_Oxford_(Dutch-like)


23.17185362
VK114_Norway_(Dutch-like)


23.21924202
VK173_UK_Oxford_(Scottish-like)


23.29828749
VK262_UK_Dorset_(North_English-like)


23.62943503
VK113_Norway_(English-like)


23.71635301
VK22_Russia_(Dutch-like)


24.26826941
VK94_Denmark_(Irish-like)


24.54090870
VK260_UK_Dorset_(Irish-like)


25.51463502
VK525_Norway_(Irish-like)


25.59980078
VK254_Russia_(Hungarian-like)


25.63136555
VK285_Denmark_(NW_German-like)


26.30090303
VK257_UK_Dorset_(Irish-like)



Individual VKK + data post #2


Distance to:
Duarte


6.17150711
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.71266713
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.86048341
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.27186764
Latins_(n=4)


11.34021164
VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)


11.77031860
VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)


12.12435978
Villanovans_(n=2)


13.33091895
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


14.03098001
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


14.05696980
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


14.52055095
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


14.84792915
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


15.04884381
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


15.13849068
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


15.21667178
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


15.30209790
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.31625933
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


16.25126149
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


16.54298643
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


16.66366106
VK146_UK_Oxford_(NE_Italian-like)


16.76632041
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


16.84747162
VK84_Denmark_(North_French-like)


16.99850876
VK211_Poland_(Bavarian-like)


17.46561765
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


17.48110694
Middle_Bronze_Age_Portugal_(n=4)



Mixed (individual VKK + data post #2)


Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.4889% / 1.48887500



50.4
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





18.3
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)





10.8
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





9.5
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





6.9
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)





2.7
VK262_UK_Dorset_(North_English-like)





1.4
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.9847% / 1.98472593 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC




36.5
VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)





28.1
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





18.5
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





12.1
VK262_UK_Dorset_(North_English-like)





4.8
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)

Jovialis
15-05-21, 18:08
I ran the C6 cohort from the Antonio et al. 2019 paper against the Eupedia Ancient Ethnicity Checker:



Distance to:
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R973_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cian ti


2.61600841
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


4.70417899
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


6.30261057
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


6.68716681
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


7.20353385
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)





Distance to:
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R970_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cian ti


5.57357157
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


5.84922217
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


5.86388949
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


5.88190445
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


8.88704113
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)





Distance to:
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R969_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cian ti


3.80529894
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


4.22886510
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


4.85081436
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


4.95432135
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


6.44554109
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)





Distance to:
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R65_Villa_Magna


3.44583807
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


5.08265679
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


6.99617038
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


7.15323004
Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


9.20751324
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)





Distance to:
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R64_Villa_Magna


4.66380746
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


5.66931213
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


6.56278142
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


8.02063589
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


8.95030167
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)





Distance to:
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R60_Villa_Magna


2.65045279
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


5.53810437
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


5.78648425
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


5.86209860
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


8.49679351
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)





Distance to:
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R59_Villa_Magna


5.36142705
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


6.37707613
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


6.92614611
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


7.18032033
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


8.28886603
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)





Distance to:
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R58_Villa_Magna


5.47464154
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


5.97795115
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


8.02636281
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


8.71297882
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


9.12259831
Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)





Distance to:
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R57_Villa_Magna


4.33122385
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


5.28406094
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


6.23247142
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


7.09248898
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


8.54275717
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)





Distance to:
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R56_Villa_Magna


3.43877885
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


5.06511599
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


5.42444467
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


7.46507870
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


8.03433258
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)





Distance to:
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R54_Villa_Magna


3.42504015
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


4.66333572
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


6.13098687
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


7.06942006
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


7.43289311
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)





Distance to:
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R53_Villa_Magna


2.98610114
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


5.96599531
Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


6.77462914
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


8.32407352
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


10.26876331
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)





Distance to:
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R52_Villa_Magna


3.89666524
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


4.97099588
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


5.81291665
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


8.08876381
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


8.21042630
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)





Distance to:
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1290_Villa_Magna


2.93139898
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


5.14209101
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


6.20004032
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


6.38917835
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


7.59439925
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)





Distance to:
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1287_Cancelleria


3.77262508
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


5.12042967
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


8.47535250
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


8.73772282
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


9.26634772
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)





Distance to:
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1285_Cancelleria


4.26171327
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


6.23410780
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


9.13794835
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


9.53922953
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


9.59946353
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)





Distance to:
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1283_Cancelleria


2.85338396
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


3.41041053
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


6.41774883
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


6.98561379
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


7.14095932
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)





Distance to:
C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R36_Celio


3.00244900
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


3.86877242
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


4.92868137
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


6.04142367
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


7.35379494
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)





Distance to:
C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R35_Celio


5.33175393
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


5.46040292
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


5.93511584
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


7.61207593
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


8.16885549
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)





Distance to:
C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R121_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia


3.42668936
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


4.13474304
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


4.32866030
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


4.59916297
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


7.18370378
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)





Distance to:
C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R120_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia


2.63964013
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


2.64575131
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


6.57918688
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


6.65265361
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


6.75934908
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)





Distance to:
C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R118_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia


4.59311441
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


6.02151974
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


6.11260992
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


6.19984677
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


8.73195282
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)





Distance to:
C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R117_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia


4.50196624
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


5.40243464
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


6.94146238
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


8.58108967
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


9.59722877
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)





Distance to:
C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R107_Crypta_Balbi


6.08292693
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


6.58274259
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


6.98462597
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


7.26746173
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


8.19426019
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)





Distance to:
C6_Iron_Age_Mediterranean:R437_(Latin_Prenestini_T ribe)_Palestrina_Selicata


5.31416974
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


6.72588284
EMBA_Greece_(n=6)


6.90958754
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


7.04519695
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


8.27300429
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)





Distance to:
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R836_Civitanova_Marche


2.14727735
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


5.07275073
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


6.61933531
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


7.78833102
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


7.99144543
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)





Distance to:
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R835_Civitanova_Marche


2.67884303
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


3.04032893
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


3.92655065
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


5.01279363
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


7.32022541
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)





Distance to:
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R51_Centocelle_Necropoli s


3.59934716
Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


3.77650632
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


10.53298628
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


11.11080105
EMBA_Greece_(n=6)


11.87786176
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2)





Distance to:
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R49_Centocelle_Necropoli s


3.57442303
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


5.35588461
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


5.83648010
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


8.38284558
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


8.43298286
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)





Distance to:
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R47_Centocelle_Necropoli s


5.79032814
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


5.88561806
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


7.44457521
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


8.83147213
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


9.46944560
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)





Distance to:
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R436_Palestrina


4.34047232
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


6.34744831
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


6.57445055
Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


7.90332209
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


10.23175449
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)





Distance to:
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R1549_Monterotondo


5.50899265
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


7.11763303
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


7.93293767
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


8.49173127
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


8.81342726
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)





Distance to:
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R1544_Necropolis_of_Mont e_Agnese


4.86201604
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


6.22086811
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


7.07886290
Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


7.64440972
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


9.43550211
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)





Distance to:
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R137_Marcellino_&_Pietro


3.78828457
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


4.91094696
Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


8.82375770
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


9.96097385
EMBA_Greece_(n=6)


10.21738225
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)





Distance to:
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R136_Marcellino_&_Pietro


3.63997253
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


6.24226722
Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


6.58507403
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


7.72998060
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


9.63470290
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)





Distance to:
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R131_Via_Paisiello_Necro polis


3.60251301
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


5.61106942
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


6.91682731
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


7.51154445
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


8.64459369
EMBA_Greece_(n=6)





Distance to:
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R125_Casale_del_Dolce


4.12417264
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


5.29698971
Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


9.52042016
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


10.12414441
EMBA_Greece_(n=6)


11.15687232
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)





Distance to:
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R113_Via_Paisiello_Necro polis


4.62101720
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


5.75598819
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


6.25346304
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


8.63121660
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


9.50438320
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)





Distance to:
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R111_Via_Paisiello_Necro polis


3.94391937
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


4.63322782
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


7.72665516
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


8.05250272
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


8.24195365
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)





Distance to:
Jovialis


2.67342477
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


4.13714878
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


4.96643735
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


5.23919841
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


8.54637350
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)

Jovialis
15-05-21, 18:11
^^Many of these C6 Romans are similar to Imperial Age Marche, 6th Century Piedmont (Italians Only) and Medieval Foggia. Also a few of them get Italian-Greeks.

torzio
15-05-21, 19:46
I have just added 12 Norwegian Viking samples (I updated this post (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/41206-Eupedia-Ancient-Ethnicities-Checker-reliably-compare-your-DNA-to-ancient-populations/page8?p=623469&viewfull=1#post623469) with individual samples). They are also ethnically mixed, like the other Vikings so far. Overall these 12 samples have an average closer to modern Swedes.




Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 1.0953% / 1.09528753 | ADC: 0.25x RC





31.6
Bronze_Age_Illyrians






27.4
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)






22.7
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)






16.9
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)






1.4
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)









Distance to:
Torziok12b


0.96235572
30.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 69.20% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.28275078
26.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 74.00% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.32009497
67.80% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 32.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


1.32271482
38.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 61.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.36758056
30.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 69.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.41204789
44.60% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 55.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.42057771
30.40% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 69.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.42644518
64.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 35.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.43970424
47.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.00% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)


1.47469894
23.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 76.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.61329492
66.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 33.60% Roman_Britain_(n=8)


1.62339551
14.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 85.40% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


1.63696416
54.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 45.80% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


1.64679071
54.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.65219103
32.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24) + 68.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.65452907
21.20% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4) + 78.80% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.68529846
51.80% EMBA_Greece_(n=6) + 48.20% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)


1.69887007
51.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 49.00% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)


1.70260430
44.80% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 55.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.71723077
23.60% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 76.40% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.72693236
24.00% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 76.00% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.73022344
53.00% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 47.00% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


1.73354583
39.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 60.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.75877548
14.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 85.80% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


1.77260423
47.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 52.40% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)

torzio
15-05-21, 19:47
Distance to:
Torzio12b



3.13482057
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


5.83890401
Villanovans_(n=2)


6.10347442
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


8.33524445
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


10.23312269
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.21687122
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


12.04986307
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


12.34738029
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


12.73217185
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


13.23675564
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


13.30812909
Latins_(n=4)


14.99738977
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


15.43010693
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


15.54832467
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


17.71318718
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


18.62196821
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


19.03681433
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


19.17109804
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


19.81995711
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


20.08211891
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


20.10456167
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


20.50580406
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


21.16651837
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


21.37520760
EMBA_Greece_(n=6)


22.20247509
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)

torzio
15-05-21, 19:50
my father results



Distance to:
Ponsan_K12b


6.01870418
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


6.39941404
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


7.90473276
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


8.28037439
Villanovans_(n=2)


8.70974741
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


9.03701278
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


9.62883170
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


11.64315249
Etruscans_(n=3)


12.76489326
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


13.19541208
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


13.63991202
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


13.67783974
Latins_(n=4)


13.85478618
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


15.01443972
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


15.70286280
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


16.13783753
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


16.36747690
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


17.01621873
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)


17.13053122
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


17.27221758
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


17.73917416
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


18.09489707
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


18.66592082
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


18.77717764
Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)


18.83326313
Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)










Target: Ponsan_K12b
Distance: 0.8817% / 0.88170498 | ADC: 0.25x RC





31.9
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)






26.6
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)






23.8
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)






11.3
Bronze_Age_Illyrians






6.1
Chalcolithic_Israel






0.3
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)

torzio
15-05-21, 19:50
Distance to:
Ponsan_K12b


1.00389945
28.60% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 71.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.45187767
45.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 54.60% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)


1.45751495
36.80% Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1) + 63.20% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.48872393
29.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 70.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.49160073
18.80% Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1) + 81.20% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.53930914
30.80% Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1) + 69.20% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


1.60687324
29.20% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 70.80% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.62726510
36.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 63.60% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)


1.63868042
37.60% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46) + 62.40% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


1.71091353
21.40% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 78.60% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.74923613
64.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 36.00% Lombards_(n=28)


1.78620266
37.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 63.00% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.79260753
36.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7) + 64.00% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)


1.80683223
32.00% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10) + 68.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.85614823
41.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 59.00% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


1.88822466
20.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 79.60% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.89556169
40.40% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 59.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.89636899
62.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 37.20% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)


1.92577818
32.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 67.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.94338611
44.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 55.40% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)


1.97770758
44.20% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 55.80% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


1.99647698
66.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 34.00% Vikings_from_England_(n=28)


2.01213238
38.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7) + 61.80% Lombards_(n=28)


2.02477552
64.60% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 35.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


2.02788263
37.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 62.40% Lombards_(n=28)

Jovialis
16-05-21, 00:03
This sample is also extremely close to Imperial-Age_Marche_(n=2).

As well as pretty close to the Iron Age R437:



Distance to:
C6_Iron_Age_Mediterranean:R437_(Latin_Prenestini_T ribe_o)_Palestrina_Selicata


5.31416974
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


6.72588284
EMBA_Greece_(n=6)


6.90958754
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


7.04519695
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


8.27300429
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


8.83409871
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


10.38617832
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


10.40333120
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


10.92016026
Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


15.54221992
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


16.33827714
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7)


16.75771763
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


17.52457132
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


17.57787530
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


18.16961750
Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)


18.19599956
Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


18.28769805
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


18.51004592
Etruscans_(n=3)


18.79689868
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)


19.54934782
Villanovans_(n=2)


20.24499444
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=8)


20.83053768
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


21.05738825
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2)


21.74766884
LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8)


22.59695776
Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6)



These samples exist within the light-blue cohort labeled C6.

Rather than attributing it totally to Greeks, could it be possible that this is indicative of a native pre-Italic ancestry?

https://i.imgur.com/9PrZLOH.jpg

Could Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) be a proxy for native pre-Italic Ancestry? Or perhaps Italic tribes who are more well mixed with these pre-Italics?

Pax Augusta
16-05-21, 03:06
Could Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) be a proxy for native pre-Italic Ancestry? Or perhaps Italic tribes who are more well mixed with these pre-Italics?


The R1 Proto-VIllanovan is a Proto-Italic, a Proto-Picene most likely, a Osco-Umbrian speaker.

torzio
16-05-21, 04:55
The R1 Proto-VIllanovan is a Proto-Italic, a Proto-Picene most likely, a Osco-Umbrian speaker.

A Liburnian woman......maybe a slave............in Picene lands , Liburnian colony from 1000Bc for a few hundred years ....most probably born in Liburnia


R1 sample ( female ) originates from Nis town in Liburnia


A Proto-Villanovan female from Martinsicuro in the Adriatic coast (ca. 890 BC), of mtDNA hg. U5a2b, is the earliest mainland sample available showing foreign ancestry:


Martinsicuro is a coastal site located on the border of Le Marche and Abruzzo on central Italy’s Adriatic coast. It is a proto-Villanovan village, situated on a hill above the Tronto river, dating to the late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age (…) finds from the site indicate an affinity with contemporaries in the Balkans, suggesting direct trade contacts and interaction across the Adriatic. In particular, the practice of decorating ceramics with bronze elements was shared between the Nin region in Croatia and Picene region of Italy, including Martinsicuro.
The sample clusters very close to the Early Iron Age sample from Jazinka (ca. 780 BC), from the central Dalmatian onomastic region, on the east Adriatic coast opposite to Marche lands, possibly related to the south-east Dalmatian onomastic region to the south. However, there is no clear boundary between hydrotoponymic regions for the Bronze Age, and it is quite close to the (possibly Venetic-related) Liburnian onomastic region to the north, so the accounts of Martinsicuro belonging to the Liburni in proto-historical times can probably be extrapolated to the Final Bronze Age.


You need to stop trying to "marry" R1 with R1015



An Umbrian-Sabellic people born from the fusion of different elements, including the mysterious Liburnian people of the eastern shore of the Adriatic, the Picenians for a long time played a fundamental role in the development of the cultures of Central Italy, making themselves the intermediary between the Balkan and Aegean world for Italics and Etruscans, at the same time spreading valuable goods and the use of new weapons, such as the Xiphos and the Kopis. Among the first allies that Rome finds beyond the borders of Latium, the Picenians will be the same ones to start the Social War against the Romans with the massacre of Asculum, passionately claiming the right to Roman citizenship. ========================================= 16 - WHO WERE THE PICENIANS? =========================================

Pax Augusta
16-05-21, 08:47
A Liburnian woman......maybe a slave............in Picene lands , Liburnian colony from 1000Bc for a few hundred years ....most probably born in Liburnia... R1 sample ( female ) originates from Nis town in Liburnia

Duh! Come on, now you want us to believe that you even figured out what her name was and what her favorite dish was. With this copy and paste what do you think you have proved? Relationships with the Liburnians are attested especially from the VIII century BC., R1 is at least two centuries earlier (930-839 BCE). Contacts between the two sides of the Adriatic are clearly even older.

Alessandro Naso, I Piceni. Storia e archeologia delle Marche in epoca preromana, Biblioteca di Archeologia 29, Milano 2000, p. 89.

https://i.imgur.com/t6Ky3qE.png


If instead of giving credit to all the nonsense you read on the internet, you had spent a little of your time to read the texts of archaeology, you would know that a connection between the Adriatic coast and the Balkans has been known for years! The earliest relations between the Adriatic and the Balkans do not refer to Iron Age ethnos in the strict sense. I realize that this is not an easy concept to understand for those who are completely unfamiliar with studies.

There were several migrations from the Balkans to Italy. As there were also in the context of the Urnfield culture (and the Protovillanovan is a facies related to the Urnfield culture), and that in the ethnogenesis of the Picenes are recognized three different cultural components at least is written anywhere "At the basis of its formation was recognized the competition of different cultures, the Apennine, Protovillanovan and trans-Adriatic populations." There is no need to call into question either slaves and much less the Liburnians in a strict sense, not least because we are still in the throes of prehistory (also known as protohistory), and neither the Liburnians nor the Piceni were yet fully formed.

https://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/popoli-e-culture-dell-italia-preromana-i-piceni_(Il-Mondo-dell%27Archeologia)



You need to stop trying to "marry" R1 with R1015

Do I need what? Just saying, being two women, it would be a case of same-sex marriage.

Perhaps you have not understood that Italian archaeologists have collaborated to the Stanford study who obviously know more than you, and they also know more than your amateur sources. If R1 has been labeled as Protovillanovaan there is a reason!

I'm the last one who wants to marry R1 with R105, since the latter is Villanovan, and as I have already said several times, the Protovillanovan is a "supranational" Bronze Age facies, while the Villanovan culture is an Iron Age facies exclusively Etruscan. They are called the same way because of nomeclature issues, because the Villanovan was first discovered at Villanova near Bologna around 1850, and almost 90 years later the Protovillanovan was discovered, initially thinking it was only related to the Villanovan. Later, it was realized that this was not the case, but the names were not changed.

torzio
16-05-21, 19:12
Duh! Come on, now you want us to believe that you even figured out what her name was and what her favorite dish was. With this copy and paste what do you think you have proved? Relationships with the Liburnians are attested especially from the VIII century BC., R1 is at least two centuries earlier (930-839 BCE). Contacts between the two sides of the Adriatic are clearly even older.

Alessandro Naso, I Piceni. Storia e archeologia delle Marche in epoca preromana, Biblioteca di Archeologia 29, Milano 2000, p. 89.

https://i.imgur.com/t6Ky3qE.png


If instead of giving credit to all the nonsense you read on the internet, you had spent a little of your time to read the texts of archaeology, you would know that a connection between the Adriatic coast and the Balkans has been known for years! The earliest relations between the Adriatic and the Balkans do not refer to Iron Age ethnos in the strict sense. I realize that this is not an easy concept to understand for those who are completely unfamiliar with studies.

There were several migrations from the Balkans to Italy. As there were also in the context of the Urnfield culture (and the Protovillanovan is a facies related to the Urnfield culture), and that in the ethnogenesis of the Picenes are recognized three different cultural components at least is written anywhere "At the basis of its formation was recognized the competition of different cultures, the Apennine, Protovillanovan and trans-Adriatic populations." There is no need to call into question either slaves and much less the Liburnians in a strict sense, not least because we are still in the throes of prehistory (also known as protohistory), and neither the Liburnians nor the Piceni were yet fully formed.

https://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/popoli-e-culture-dell-italia-preromana-i-piceni_(Il-Mondo-dell%27Archeologia)




Do I need what? Just saying, being two women, it would be a case of same-sex marriage.

Perhaps you have not understood that Italian archaeologists have collaborated to the Stanford study who obviously know more than you, and they also know more than your amateur sources. If R1 has been labeled as Protovillanovaan there is a reason!

I'm the last one who wants to marry R1 with R105, since the latter is Villanovan, and as I have already said several times, the Protovillanovan is a "supranational" Bronze Age facies, while the Villanovan culture is an Iron Age facies exclusively Etruscan. They are called the same way because of nomeclature issues, because the Villanovan was first discovered at Villanova near Bologna around 1850, and almost 90 years later the Protovillanovan was discovered, initially thinking it was only related to the Villanovan. Later, it was realized that this was not the case, but the names were not changed.


we had this conversation before and last time you threw in the Vianovan to deflect the discussion

Look at current italian scholars and not one from 21 years ago

Current scenario is the liburnians settled colonies in picene lands and corfu circa 1000 BC .................they lost Corfu to the Corinthian greeks in 730BC

Archaeological finds do not show the existence of significant social and state institutions in Liburnia, which would support a political infrastructure that would enable Adriatic-domination in the early and mid-Iron Ages. Neither is there more abundant material evidence which would show strong connections between Liburnia and the central Adriatic islands, or Corcyra and Epidamnus in the southern Adriatic. It is only established, with a reasonable quantity of material evidence, that Liburnia and Picenum on the Italian coast did have close and important Iron Age connections through the islands of the Kvarner gulf. [35] (https://www.cairn.info/revue-dialogues-d-histoire-ancienne-2014-2-page-45.htm#no153)A joint cultural habitus known as the Eastern Adriatic cultural koine existed in the late Bronze Age, and remains visible in the early Iron Age material record, especially in typologies of objects such as fibulae, pottery or jewellery. This koine even included parts of the Italian coast, such as Picenum. However, the unity of the Adriatic koine was increasingly diversifying into distinctive regional types; although it was still visible in the seventh and sixth century archaeological record as far as the central and southern Dalmatian coast. 


You should check Liburnian thalassocracy

or maybe adriatic history in the early iron age was a myth

https://www.academia.edu/720252/Mythological_stories_concerning_Illyria_and_its_na me

torzio
16-05-21, 19:23
this site is stuffed ...............I cannot edit post .............crap for last 6 months

extent of the Liburnian dominance at a given time between 11th and 1st century BC. Domination of the Liburnian thalassocracy in the Adriatic Sea


even old wilkes had/states


The Liburni are placed by Hecataeus on the innermost part
of the Adriatic gulf. In the Periplus they dwell on the northeast
Adriatic between lllyrians and Istri, where much of the coast
is closed off from the interior by the Velcbit mountains and
screened by the islands of the Dalmatian archipelago. The
Liburnian name seems to have passed into general use from
the time when they dominated not only the entire Dalmatian



Suic 1955. Hecataeus, K'.rHist vol. i, p. 20, F93-6.



Neighbour* >•/ the Creek*



101



coasi but even foi a time held Corcyra (Corfu) from which
the) were ejected by Corinthian settlers in the eighth century.
A Liburnian maritime supremacy, or thalassocracy, recalls a
historical tradition from a time when peoples were possibly
moving across the Adriatic from east to west, from Liburnia
into Picenum and from lllyria into Messapia and Japygia. The
garbled list of places on the Liburnian coast in the Periplus
has been reconstructed to name Tarsatica (Trsat near Rijeka),
Lopsica (Sv Juraj), Scnia (Senj) and Ortopula (Stinica), all in
the northern part of historical Liburnia. The difficulty here is
that this interpretation necessitates the identification of the
river Catarbates with the Zrmanja (the ancient Tedanius) north
ol Zadar, placing the southern limit of the Liburni farther to
the north than was ever later the case. Another, and more
plausible, reconstruction lists Apsyrtae, the modern islands Crcs
and Mali Losinj in the Kvarner, Alypsoi of the later Lopsica
among the northern Liburni, and some of the major settlements
on the plain behind Zadar, including Nedinum (Nadin),
Aenona (Nin) and Jader (Zadar). In that case the Catarbates,
literally the 'steeply-falling', is the Krka, which marked the
boundary between Liburnians and Dalmatians in Hellenistic
and Roman times. Finally, a long-standing association between
the head of the Adriatic and the amber trade explains the name
Elektrides (from elektroti, the Greek word for amber) for some
islands of the Kvarner gulf, including Crcs, Krk and Mali
Losinj. The Mentores named by Hecataeus and other writers
may denote other islands, such as Rab (ancient Arba) or Pag
(Gissa). The reference to the Istrian peninsula as an island of
around 40 by 15 miles is a not uncharacteristic error of the
Periplus. 11

Pax Augusta
16-05-21, 21:56
we had this conversation before and last time you threw in the Vianovan to deflect the discussion

Look at current italian scholars and not one from 21 years ago

Current scenario is the liburnians settled colonies in picene lands and corfu circa 1000 BC .................they lost Corfu to the Corinthian greeks in 730BC

Archaeological finds do not show the existence of significant social and state institutions in Liburnia, which would support a political infrastructure that would enable Adriatic-domination in the early and mid-Iron Ages. Neither is there more abundant material evidence which would show strong connections between Liburnia and the central Adriatic islands, or Corcyra and Epidamnus in the southern Adriatic. It is only established, with a reasonable quantity of material evidence, that Liburnia and Picenum on the Italian coast did have close and important Iron Age connections through the islands of the Kvarner gulf. [35] (https://www.cairn.info/revue-dialogues-d-histoire-ancienne-2014-2-page-45.htm#no153)A joint cultural habitus known as the Eastern Adriatic cultural koine existed in the late Bronze Age, and remains visible in the early Iron Age material record, especially in typologies of objects such as fibulae, pottery or jewellery. This koine even included parts of the Italian coast, such as Picenum. However, the unity of the Adriatic koine was increasingly diversifying into distinctive regional types; although it was still visible in the seventh and sixth century archaeological record as far as the central and southern Dalmatian coast. 


You should check Liburnian thalassocracy

or maybe adriatic history in the early iron age was a myth

https://www.academia.edu/720252/Mythological_stories_concerning_Illyria_and_its_na me



Do you even read what you post? What would be the exact point in all your copy and paste where it's claimed that archaeology has found evidence that "the Liburnians settled colonies in Picene lands circa 1000 BC"?

torzio
17-05-21, 09:04
R1 sample

Martinsicuro
Date range:930 cal BCE -839 calBCEIndividuals: R1 Martinsicurois a coastal site located on the border of Le Marche and Abruzzo on central Italy’s Adriatic coast. It is a proto-Villanovan village, situated on a hill above the Tronto river, dating to the late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age(154). Excavations at the site have been limited, but during an excavation in preparation forroad construction, a single post-built structure was excavated which contained a rich archaeological deposit of ceramics (155). These finds from the site indicate an affinity with contemporaries in the Balkans, suggesting direct trade contacts and interaction across the Adriatic. In particular, the practice of decorating ceramics with bronze elements was shared between the Nin region in Croatia and Picene region of Italy, including Martinsicuro (156). These finds also show the conservation and preservation (e.g. as artifacts) of ceramics from the earlier Middle Bronze Age into the Late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age.


Martinsicuro (Latin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_language): Castrum Truentinum)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martinsicuro#cite_note-3) is a town and comune (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comune) in province of Teramo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province_of_Teramo), Abruzzo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abruzzo), central Italy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy). It is located on the right of the mouth of Tronto River (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tronto_River).
Remains of a Bronze Age (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age) (10th-9th centuries BC) settlement were found in the communal territory, on a hill overlooking the Tronto river. At the river's mouth existed Truentum, remembered by Roman writer Pliny the Elder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny_the_Elder) as part of the Roman region of Picenum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picenum), and attributed to the Liburni (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liburni) tribe.



Liburnian onomastic region to the north, so the accounts of Martinsicuro belonging to the Liburni in proto-historical times can probably be extrapolated to the Final Bronze Age.

Pax Augusta
17-05-21, 17:38
R1 sample

Martinsicuro
Date range:930 cal BCE -839 calBCEIndividuals: R1 Martinsicurois a coastal site located on the border of Le Marche and Abruzzo on central Italy’s Adriatic coast. It is a proto-Villanovan village, situated on a hill above the Tronto river, dating to the late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age(154). Excavations at the site have been limited, but during an excavation in preparation forroad construction, a single post-built structure was excavated which contained a rich archaeological deposit of ceramics (155). These finds from the site indicate an affinity with contemporaries in the Balkans, suggesting direct trade contacts and interaction across the Adriatic. In particular, the practice of decorating ceramics with bronze elements was shared between the Nin region in Croatia and Picene region of Italy, including Martinsicuro (156). These finds also show the conservation and preservation (e.g. as artifacts) of ceramics from the earlier Middle Bronze Age into the Late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age.

Martinsicuro (Latin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_language): Castrum Truentinum)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martinsicuro#cite_note-3) is a town and comune (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comune) in province of Teramo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province_of_Teramo), Abruzzo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abruzzo), central Italy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy). It is located on the right of the mouth of Tronto River (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tronto_River).
Remains of a Bronze Age (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age) (10th-9th centuries BC) settlement were found in the communal territory, on a hill overlooking the Tronto river. At the river's mouth existed Truentum, remembered by Roman writer Pliny the Elder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny_the_Elder) as part of the Roman region of Picenum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picenum), and attributed to the Liburni (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liburni) tribe.


The first is the well known paragraph from Antonio's 2019 study; the second is from Wikipedia.



Liburnian onomastic region to the north, so the accounts of Martinsicuro belonging to the Liburni in proto-historical times can probably be extrapolated to the Final Bronze Age.

This is an opinion of an amateur blogger, not an archaeological evidence.

The sources used by Antonio 2019 are as follows. Did you read them?

1) 154. T. Di Fraia, in Proceedings of the XXXVIII Scientific Meeting. Italian Institute of Prehistory and Protohistory (2005), pp. 755–765.

2) 155. D. Gatti, BAR Int. Ser. 1452, 482 (2005).


The first is a chapter in "Atti della XXXVIII Riunione scientifica: preistoria e protostoria delle Marche", published by IIPP (Istituto italiano di preistoria e protostoria), the second is a chapter published by BAR Publishing, British Archaeological Reports International series.

I was able to read the first one. Undeniably, as I've already written, contacts between the shores of the Adriatic date back to at least the second half of the Bronze Age, but it is never mentioned the possibility that remains of the Bronze Ages settlements were a colony of the Liburnians, also because the remains of the Bronze Age settlements are not located where Truentum is, but are further inland, and the text in the 2019 Antonio paper seems to imply that R1 comes from the Proto-Villanovan village, situated on a hill above the Tronto river. This settlement, according to the the archaeological excavations, has a long continuity of habitation which from the last phase of the Middle Bronze Age to the first Iron Age.

torzio
17-05-21, 19:35
The first is the well known paragraph from Antonio's 2019 study; the second is from Wikipedia.




This is an opinion of an amateur blogger, not an archaeological evidence.

The sources used by Antonio 2019 are as follows. Did you read them?

1) 154. T. Di Fraia, in Proceedings of the XXXVIII Scientific Meeting. Italian Institute of Prehistory and Protohistory (2005), pp. 755–765.

2) 155. D. Gatti, BAR Int. Ser. 1452, 482 (2005).


The first is a chapter in "Atti della XXXVIII Riunione scientifica: preistoria e protostoria delle Marche", published by IIPP (Istituto italiano di preistoria e protostoria), the second is a chapter published by BAR Publishing, British Archaeological Reports International series.

I was able to read the first one. Undeniably, as I've already written, contacts between the shores of the Adriatic date back to at least the second half of the Bronze Age, but it is never mentioned the possibility that remains of the Bronze Ages settlements were a colony of the Liburnians, also because the remains of the Bronze Age settlements are not located where Truentum is, but are further inland, and the text in the 2019 Antonio paper seems to imply that R1 comes from the Proto-Villanovan village, situated on a hill above the Tronto river. This settlement, according to the the archaeological excavations, has a long continuity of habitation which from the last phase of the Middle Bronze Age to the first Iron Age.

Martinscuro - The territory was inhabited since Neolithic times, it was a town of the Liburni, a pre-Roman Italic population under the name of Trunetum, later called Castrum Truentum under the Romans, when it aquired strategic importance for the whole area.

I primi insediamenti sono stati rinvenuti sulla collina sovrastante il fiume Tronto in località Colle di Marzio, dove sono emersi resti di un insediamento dell'età del bronzo (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et%C3%A0_del_bronzo) (X (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_secolo_a.C.)-IX secolo a.C. (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/IX_secolo_a.C.)). Già nel III secolo a.C. (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/III_secolo_a.C.) la città è una colonia romana.
Infatti alla foce del fiume Tronto era sorto l'abitato di Truentum, ricordato da Plinio il Vecchio (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaio_Plinio_Secondo)[4] (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martinsicuro#cite_note-4) tra le altre colonie e cittadelle fortificate della regio V Picenum (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regio_V_Picenum), presso il fiume omonimo, e attribuita ai Liburni (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liburni). Strabone (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strabone) la cita come città che riprende il nome dal fiume Truentus (Τρουεντῖνος ποταμός), collocandola tra il Fanum Cupra (Cupramarittima (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupramarittima)) e Castrum Novum (Giulianova (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giulianova)).[5]


Martinscuro, Tronto river complex, Trunetum ................all Liburnian origins from 10th century

Colonnella - Liburnian origins nearby to martinscuro formed 962 BC
(https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martinsicuro#cite_note-5)

torzio
17-05-21, 19:46
R1 sample admixure

Target: ITA_Proto-Villanovan
Distance: 2.9920% / 0.02992024 | ADC: 0.25x
50.2 HRV_EBA .....................Ancient Pannonia/Dalmatia
19.2 Bell_Beaker_ITA
12.0 CZE_Unetice_EBA
9.2 HRV_MBA
6.0 GRC_Mycenaean
3.4 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA1

Proto-Villanovans seem to be direct migrants from the Balkans, likely representing the opposite 80-20 Balkan and Native Italian split

.................................................. .................................................. ................................................
should she ( R1 ) be classified as Proto-Villanovan ?



Proto-Villanovan culture was part of the central European Urnfield culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urnfield_culture) system. Similarity has also been noted with the regional groups of Bavaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavaria)-Upper Austria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Austria)[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Villanovan_culture#cite_note-Gimbutas-1) and of the middle-Danube (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danube).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Villanovan_culture#cite_note-Gimbutas-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Villanovan_culture#cite_note-2)

Pax Augusta
17-05-21, 22:27
R1 sample admixure

Target: ITA_Proto-Villanovan
Distance: 2.9920% / 0.02992024 | ADC: 0.25x
50.2 HRV_EBA .....................Ancient Pannonia/Dalmatia
19.2 Bell_Beaker_ITA
12.0 CZE_Unetice_EBA
9.2 HRV_MBA
6.0 GRC_Mycenaean
3.4 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA1

Proto-Villanovans seem to be direct migrants from the Balkans, likely representing the opposite 80-20 Balkan and Native Italian split

.................................................. .................................................. ................................................
should she ( R1 ) be classified as Proto-Villanovan ?

Proto-Villanovan culture was part of the central European Urnfield culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urnfield_culture) system. Similarity has also been noted with the regional groups of Bavaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavaria)-Upper Austria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Austria)[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Villanovan_culture#cite_note-Gimbutas-1) and of the middle-Danube (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danube).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Villanovan_culture#cite_note-Gimbutas-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Villanovan_culture#cite_note-2)


You really can't understand that Proto-Villanovan is not an ethnicity but it is an archaeological material culture.

Maciamo
18-05-21, 13:11
I have added:

- Chalcolithic Italy : closest to modern Sardinians (distance 6.1) and nobody else.

- Middle/Late Bronze Age central and north Italy (added 5 samples for a total of 9) : most similar to modern Spaniards (distance between 11 and 13 depending on the region).

Pax Augusta
18-05-21, 16:59
Distance to:
Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9)


11.11572310
Spanish_Andalusia


11.14206444
Spanish_Asturias


11.31010610
Spanish_Valencia


11.31709327
Spanish_Aragon


11.56946412
Spanish_Castilla-Leon


12.07579397
Spanish_La_Rioja


12.41814801
Spanish_Catalonia


12.58957505
Spanish_Cantabria


12.89268009
Sardinian


13.04998084
Spanish_Baleares


13.19316869
Spanish_Galicia


14.01243733
Portuguese


14.48325585
French_Corsica


14.90155361
Italian_Lombardy


15.21770351
Spanish_Canarias


15.35303227
French_Southwest


15.82868283
Italian_Liguria


16.05764654
Swiss_Italian


16.53261927
Italian_Emilia


16.64564508
Italian_Piedmont


16.85534633
Italian_Aosta_Valley


17.37253867
Italian_Tuscany


17.84622929
Italian_Trentino


18.19239127
Spanish_Basque


18.27447947
Italian_Veneto





Distance to:
Chalcolithic_Italy_(n=5)


6.14823552
Sardinian


25.67103231
French_Corsica


27.61752704
Spanish_Asturias


28.61153788
Spanish_Andalusia


28.75150779
Spanish_Aragon


28.80539880
Spanish_La_Rioja


29.26109191
Spanish_Valencia


29.42986069
Spanish_Castilla-Leon


30.23435132
Spanish_Cantabria


30.30649270
Spanish_Basque


30.50001967
Spanish_Catalonia


30.61457496
Italian_Liguria


30.77912442
Italian_Tuscany


30.78215555
Italian_Lombardy


30.81191166
Italian_Emilia


30.83891211
Spanish_Galicia


31.06791271
Spanish_Baleares


31.13507026
French_Southwest


31.37851654
Spanish_Canarias


31.38383023
Portuguese


32.13037504
Italian_Romagna


32.70891781
Italian_Marche


32.83147118
Italian_Piedmont


33.27324995
Swiss_Italian


34.20907190
Italian_Veneto





https://i.imgur.com/2z2I9FN.png

Angela
18-05-21, 17:36
Distance to:
Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9)


11.11572310
Spanish_Andalusia


11.14206444
Spanish_Asturias


11.31010610
Spanish_Valencia


11.31709327
Spanish_Aragon


11.56946412
Spanish_Castilla-Leon


12.07579397
Spanish_La_Rioja


12.41814801
Spanish_Catalonia


12.58957505
Spanish_Cantabria


12.89268009
Sardinian


13.04998084
Spanish_Baleares


13.19316869
Spanish_Galicia


14.01243733
Portuguese


14.48325585
French_Corsica


14.90155361
Italian_Lombardy


15.21770351
Spanish_Canarias


15.35303227
French_Southwest


15.82868283
Italian_Liguria


16.05764654
Swiss_Italian


16.53261927
Italian_Emilia


16.64564508
Italian_Piedmont


16.85534633
Italian_Aosta_Valley


17.37253867
Italian_Tuscany


17.84622929
Italian_Trentino


18.19239127
Spanish_Basque


18.27447947
Italian_Veneto





Distance to:
Chalcolithic_Italy_(n=5)


6.14823552
Sardinian


25.67103231
French_Corsica


27.61752704
Spanish_Asturias


28.61153788
Spanish_Andalusia


28.75150779
Spanish_Aragon


28.80539880
Spanish_La_Rioja


29.26109191
Spanish_Valencia


29.42986069
Spanish_Castilla-Leon


30.23435132
Spanish_Cantabria


30.30649270
Spanish_Basque


30.50001967
Spanish_Catalonia


30.61457496
Italian_Liguria


30.77912442
Italian_Tuscany


30.78215555
Italian_Lombardy


30.81191166
Italian_Emilia


30.83891211
Spanish_Galicia


31.06791271
Spanish_Baleares


31.13507026
French_Southwest


31.37851654
Spanish_Canarias


31.38383023
Portuguese


32.13037504
Italian_Romagna


32.70891781
Italian_Marche


32.83147118
Italian_Piedmont


33.27324995
Swiss_Italian


34.20907190
Italian_Veneto




https://i.imgur.com/2z2I9FN.png

Very interesting.

The PCA presents a quite different way of looking at them.

Latins are much closer to Cucuteni (and Middle Late Bronze Age Latins plot almost right on top of them) than they are to the North Alpine steppe admixed people. Looks like Etruscans and Villanovans are much the same story.

Latins are also definitely closer to the Italian Middle Late Bronze Age samples than are the Etruscans and Villanovans, who are closer to modern Italians. (Except me, who gets up to 60% Latin on some of these. :))

What is your interpretation of that? Could it be there are no samples from the western side of Italy?

Also, where would Copper Age Italians be?

Do you by chance have the individual coordinates for the Copper and Bronze Age samples? I always think in a country like Italy with so much internal diversity, averages are not always that helpful.

Thanks in advance.

Vallicanus
18-05-21, 17:40
Distance to:
Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9)


11.11572310
Spanish_Andalusia


11.14206444
Spanish_Asturias


11.31010610
Spanish_Valencia


11.31709327
Spanish_Aragon


11.56946412
Spanish_Castilla-Leon


12.07579397
Spanish_La_Rioja


12.41814801
Spanish_Catalonia


12.58957505
Spanish_Cantabria


12.89268009
Sardinian


13.04998084
Spanish_Baleares


13.19316869
Spanish_Galicia


14.01243733
Portuguese


14.48325585
French_Corsica


14.90155361
Italian_Lombardy


15.21770351
Spanish_Canarias


15.35303227
French_Southwest


15.82868283
Italian_Liguria


16.05764654
Swiss_Italian


16.53261927
Italian_Emilia


16.64564508
Italian_Piedmont


16.85534633
Italian_Aosta_Valley


17.37253867
Italian_Tuscany


17.84622929
Italian_Trentino


18.19239127
Spanish_Basque


18.27447947
Italian_Veneto





Distance to:
Chalcolithic_Italy_(n=5)


6.14823552
Sardinian


25.67103231
French_Corsica


27.61752704
Spanish_Asturias


28.61153788
Spanish_Andalusia


28.75150779
Spanish_Aragon


28.80539880
Spanish_La_Rioja


29.26109191
Spanish_Valencia


29.42986069
Spanish_Castilla-Leon


30.23435132
Spanish_Cantabria


30.30649270
Spanish_Basque


30.50001967
Spanish_Catalonia


30.61457496
Italian_Liguria


30.77912442
Italian_Tuscany


30.78215555
Italian_Lombardy


30.81191166
Italian_Emilia


30.83891211
Spanish_Galicia


31.06791271
Spanish_Baleares


31.13507026
French_Southwest


31.37851654
Spanish_Canarias


31.38383023
Portuguese


32.13037504
Italian_Romagna


32.70891781
Italian_Marche


32.83147118
Italian_Piedmont


33.27324995
Swiss_Italian


34.20907190
Italian_Veneto




https://i.imgur.com/2z2I9FN.png
Is the dot for Bronze Age Illyrian halfway between Liguria and Piedmont or halfway between Liguria and Veneto?
Thanks.

Pax Augusta
18-05-21, 17:47
Is the dot for Bronze Age Illyrian halfway between Liguria and Piedmont or halfway between Liguria and Veneto?
Thanks.


Halfway between Liguria and Veneto/Piedmont.


https://i.imgur.com/Pl0nka7.png

Duarte
18-05-21, 18:05
Distance to:





Duarte


6.17150711
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.71266713
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.86048341
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.27186764
Latins_(n=4)


12.12435978
Villanovans_(n=2)


13.33091895
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


14.03098001
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


14.05696980
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


14.07130058
Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9)


14.52055095
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


14.84792915
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


15.04884381
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


15.13849068
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


15.21667178
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


15.30209790
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.31625933
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


16.25126149
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


16.54298643
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


16.76632041
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


17.46561765
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


17.48110694
Middle_Bronze_Age_Portugal_(n=4)


18.85846229
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


18.93396947
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


20.69150309
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


20.72670500
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)



Some modeling including the two newest populations added to the data



Target: Duarte
Distance: 5.2625% / 5.26246695 | ADC: 0.25x RC



76.7
Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9)





11.4
Yamna_culture_(n=16)





6.9
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)





5.0
Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.8891% / 4.88909259



58.2
Chalcolithic_Italy_(n=5)





19.1
Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)





16.5
Yamna_culture_(n=16)





6.2
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)






Some modelings with all updated data, post #2



Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.4792% / 1.47915960



52.5
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





19.9
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)





9.8
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





8.9
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





7.2
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)





1.7
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.7095% / 1.70947003 | R6P | ADC: 0.25x RC



56.9
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





21.2
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)





11.8
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





8.8
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)





1.3
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.0215% / 2.02148464 | R6P | ADC: 0.25x RC



31.1
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





28.1
Latins_(n=4)





15.5
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





13.2
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)





6.3
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





5.8
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)

Duarte
18-05-21, 18:52
Very interesting.

Do you by chance have the individual coordinates for the Copper and Bronze Age samples? I always think in a country like Italy with so much internal diversity, averages are not always that helpful.

Thanks in advance.

Hi Angela
Produced by Jovialis and Salento in
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/41437-Ancient-genomes-reveal-structural-shifts-after-the-arrival-of-Steppe-related-ancestry/page4

utigBRC002,0.87,0,1.36,0,45.47,25.27,2.32,0,4.39,0 ,18.99,1.33
utigBRC007_019,3.5,0,1.75,0.58,48.28,18.96,0,0,9.1 1,0.52,16.2,1.1
utigBRC010_018,0,0,5.13,0.5,47.79,19.51,0,0,7.86,0 ,18.69,0.51
utigBRC011,0,0,0,0,37.8,0,0,0,42.9,0,19.29,0
utigBRC012,0,15.45,0,0,40.8,0,0,0,43.74,0,0,0
utigBRC013,0,0,6.28,0,57.75,0,0,0,6.97,0,29,0
utigBRC022,0,0,0,0.94,62.87,3.14,0,0,10.14,0,22.91 ,0
utigBRC024,0,0,0,0,52.32,30.37,0,5.35,0,0,10.84,1. 12
utigGCP003A1,7.58,1.55,0.86,0,49.29,22.95,0,0,4.32 ,0,13.45,0
utigGCP004A1,22.15,0,0,0,37.5,23.7,6.64,0,10.01,0, 0,0
utigGLR002A1,0,0,6.65,0,63.81,1.89,0,0,5.79,0,21.8 6,0
utigGLR003B1,0,0,9.49,4.97,65.66,0,0,0,0,0,17.94,1 .93
utigLSC007A1,0,0,0,0,95.95,0,0,0.6,3.45,0,0,0
utigLSC011A1,0,0,8.94,0,53.32,7.47,0,0,14.31,0,15. 96,0
utigLSC012A1,0,0,0,0,97.48,0,0,0,0,2.52,0,0
BRC003_Dodecad_K12b,1.48,0.00,2.35,1.33,46.70,24.2 7,0.00,0.00,5.74,0.00,17.40,0.74
GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b,2.18,0.00,3.15,3.26,44.50,29 .77,0.00,0.00,5.27,0.00,11.87,0.00
GLR001A1_Dodecad_K12b,0.00,1.77,4.40,0.00,58.27,5. 15,0.00,0.00,11.05,0.22,17.72,1.41
LSC002_004_Dodecad_K12b,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,62.94, 2.45,0.00,0.00,6.28,0.00,26.23,2.11

https://i.imgur.com/OCOoFfs.png

Mine



Distance to:





Duarte


9.78898360
BRC003_Dodecad_K12b


10.11679297
GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


10.54973459
utigGCP003A1


10.87721012
utigBRC002


11.62877896
utigBRC007_019


12.25319550
utigBRC010_018


16.38538678
utigBRC024


23.68935415
utigLSC011A1


24.67529736
utigGCP004A1


26.71058966
GLR001A1_Dodecad_K12b


32.59964570
utigBRC022


32.60495208
utigGLR002A1


33.24604187
utigBRC013


33.49170942
LSC002_004_Dodecad_K12b


34.51189070
utigGLR003B1


47.24747189
utigBRC011


51.41298863
utigBRC012


60.74051119
utigLSC007A1


62.26290790
utigLSC012A1




Distance to:
Duarte


7.53126382
21.00% utigGCP004A1 + 79.00% BRC003_Dodecad_K12b


8.11202040
76.20% utigBRC002 + 23.80% utigGCP004A1


8.31499918
72.00% utigBRC010_018 + 28.00% utigGCP004A1


8.54466182
40.80% utigBRC007_019 + 59.20% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


8.72940168
13.80% utigBRC013 + 86.20% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


8.75125688
46.20% utigGCP003A1 + 53.80% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


8.75827398
37.20% utigBRC010_018 + 62.80% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


8.84896832
18.20% utigLSC011A1 + 81.80% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


8.93436886
12.40% utigGLR003B1 + 87.60% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


9.00518431
84.60% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b + 15.40% GLR001A1_Dodecad_K12b


9.00632944
54.60% BRC003_Dodecad_K12b + 45.40% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


9.09246843
12.40% utigGLR002A1 + 87.60% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


9.21336624
88.60% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b + 11.40% LSC002_004_Dodecad_K12b


9.22786930
39.00% utigGCP003A1 + 61.00% BRC003_Dodecad_K12b


9.26411134
41.60% utigBRC002 + 58.40% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


9.35117135
14.40% utigGCP004A1 + 85.60% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


9.39754680
46.60% utigBRC002 + 53.40% utigGCP003A1


9.44805055
10.40% utigBRC022 + 89.60% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


9.65572973
6.20% utigBRC011 + 93.80% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


9.73175521
35.40% utigBRC010_018 + 64.60% utigGCP003A1


9.76378509
1.40% utigBRC012 + 98.60% BRC003_Dodecad_K12b


9.76544611
9.80% utigBRC007_019 + 90.20% BRC003_Dodecad_K12b


9.78148242
2.80% utigBRC024 + 97.20% BRC003_Dodecad_K12b


9.84946161
4.40% utigBRC012 + 95.60% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


10.07168577
1.60% utigLSC007A1 + 98.40% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b

torzio
18-05-21, 20:23
I have added:

- Chalcolithic Italy : closest to modern Sardinians (distance 6.1) and nobody else.

- Middle/Late Bronze Age central and north Italy (added 5 samples for a total of 9) : most similar to modern Spaniards (distance between 11 and 13 depending on the region).




Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 0.2302% / 0.23020826





19.9
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)






18.0
MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)






8.0
Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)






7.9
Iron_Age_Armenia_(n=7)






7.4
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)






6.2
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)






4.4
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)






4.1
Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)






3.1
Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35)






2.7
Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10)






2.7
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)






2.7
Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)






2.5
Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)






2.3
Mesolithic_Anatolia_(AHG)_(n=1)






2.1
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)






1.9
Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4)






1.1
CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5)






1.1
Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=4)






0.8
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)






0.7
Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)






0.4
Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3)









Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 1.0953% / 1.09528753 | ADC: 0.25x RC





33.0

Bronze_Age_Illyrians






27.4
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)






22.7
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)






16.9
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)










Distance to:
Torziok12b


5.32530750

Bronze_Age_Illyrians


6.19887086
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


6.46840011
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


7.93611996
Villanovans_(n=2)


8.83276287
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)



9.58380926
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


9.76980041
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


11.45072923
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.79564750
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


13.59802927
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


13.72095113
Latins_(n=4)


14.38534671
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


14.46272104
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


14.51663529
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.18951941
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


15.64978594
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


16.26212471
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


17.55391694
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


17.79364774
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


17.83940302
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)


18.06710824
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


18.08538360
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


18.27350267
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


18.80015160
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


19.50209220
Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9)

torzio
18-05-21, 20:28
You really can't understand that Proto-Villanovan is not an ethnicity but it is an archaeological material culture.

you need to read all of it and see what I noted at the bottom

Angela
18-05-21, 21:52
Hi Angela
Produced by Jovialis and Salento in
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/41437-Ancient-genomes-reveal-structural-shifts-after-the-arrival-of-Steppe-related-ancestry/page4

utigBRC002,0.87,0,1.36,0,45.47,25.27,2.32,0,4.39,0 ,18.99,1.33
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utigBRC011,0,0,0,0,37.8,0,0,0,42.9,0,19.29,0
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LSC002_004_Dodecad_K12b,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,62.94, 2.45,0.00,0.00,6.28,0.00,26.23,2.11

https://i.imgur.com/OCOoFfs.png

Mine



Distance to:





Duarte


9.78898360
BRC003_Dodecad_K12b


10.11679297
GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


10.54973459
utigGCP003A1


10.87721012
utigBRC002


11.62877896
utigBRC007_019


12.25319550
utigBRC010_018


16.38538678
utigBRC024


23.68935415
utigLSC011A1


24.67529736
utigGCP004A1


26.71058966
GLR001A1_Dodecad_K12b


32.59964570
utigBRC022


32.60495208
utigGLR002A1


33.24604187
utigBRC013


33.49170942
LSC002_004_Dodecad_K12b


34.51189070
utigGLR003B1


47.24747189
utigBRC011


51.41298863
utigBRC012


60.74051119
utigLSC007A1


62.26290790
utigLSC012A1




Distance to:
Duarte


7.53126382
21.00% utigGCP004A1 + 79.00% BRC003_Dodecad_K12b


8.11202040
76.20% utigBRC002 + 23.80% utigGCP004A1


8.31499918
72.00% utigBRC010_018 + 28.00% utigGCP004A1


8.54466182
40.80% utigBRC007_019 + 59.20% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


8.72940168
13.80% utigBRC013 + 86.20% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


8.75125688
46.20% utigGCP003A1 + 53.80% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


8.75827398
37.20% utigBRC010_018 + 62.80% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


8.84896832
18.20% utigLSC011A1 + 81.80% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


8.93436886
12.40% utigGLR003B1 + 87.60% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


9.00518431
84.60% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b + 15.40% GLR001A1_Dodecad_K12b


9.00632944
54.60% BRC003_Dodecad_K12b + 45.40% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


9.09246843
12.40% utigGLR002A1 + 87.60% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


9.21336624
88.60% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b + 11.40% LSC002_004_Dodecad_K12b


9.22786930
39.00% utigGCP003A1 + 61.00% BRC003_Dodecad_K12b


9.26411134
41.60% utigBRC002 + 58.40% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


9.35117135
14.40% utigGCP004A1 + 85.60% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


9.39754680
46.60% utigBRC002 + 53.40% utigGCP003A1


9.44805055
10.40% utigBRC022 + 89.60% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


9.65572973
6.20% utigBRC011 + 93.80% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


9.73175521
35.40% utigBRC010_018 + 64.60% utigGCP003A1


9.76378509
1.40% utigBRC012 + 98.60% BRC003_Dodecad_K12b


9.76544611
9.80% utigBRC007_019 + 90.20% BRC003_Dodecad_K12b


9.78148242
2.80% utigBRC024 + 97.20% BRC003_Dodecad_K12b


9.84946161
4.40% utigBRC012 + 95.60% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b


10.07168577
1.60% utigLSC007A1 + 98.40% GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b








Thanks so much, Duarte; you're always a gentleman to me, like Jovialis. :)

I'll run them.

Angela
18-05-21, 22:42
I don't really believe these things, but this would make my father proud. :) He was completely convinced we were 100% Latins, so a little off, but still...

https://i.imgur.com/yHauyDR.png

Chalcolithic and Early Bronze Age Anatolia was nothing to sneeze at it either; founts of civilization both. Just miss the Greeks.

Pax Augusta
18-05-21, 23:36
Very interesting.

The PCA presents a quite different way of looking at them.

Latins are much closer to Cucuteni (and Middle Late Bronze Age Latins plot almost right on top of them) than they are to the North Alpine steppe admixed people. Looks like Etruscans and Villanovans are much the same story.

Latins are also definitely closer to the Italian Middle Late Bronze Age samples than are the Etruscans and Villanovans, who are closer to modern Italians. (Except me, who gets up to 60% Latin on some of these. :))

What is your interpretation of that? Could it be there are no samples from the western side of Italy?

The Bronze Age samples are still too few to go into that much detail, in my opinion. For example, the two samples (Middle Bronze Age ca. 1400-1200 BC?) from Olmo di Nogara (Verona) - from a previous paper - have most likely less Steppe than the ones with Steppe from Broion and Regina Margherita who are older.

For the Iron Age samples, it is true that there seems to be some difference between Latins and Etruscans, as if the Latins had a few more percentage points of WHG. But it must be considered that the average for the Latins is based on 4 out of 6, the two outliers are excluded and have been labeled Italian_Greeks. While the Etruscan average is based on all three of those from the Orientalizing phase and also includes the Etruscan outlier. While Villanovan average includes the Villanovan (which is simply an Etruscan) and the Proto-Villanovan which is a Proto-Picene, not a Proto-Etruscan.

Putting all eleven Iron Age samples in the PCA, we see that three Latins and two Etruscans are actually very similar: Latins R1016, R1021, R851, Etruscan R473, Villanovan (Etruscan) R1015. The Latin R435 is the one that goes more in the direction of south of France and Spain, while the ones that are really most similar to the Italians are the Etruscan R474 and the Proto-Villanovan R1, because they have less WHG (but compensated with higher Steppe values)

https://i.imgur.com/LDFaSSH.jpg


the outliers

https://i.imgur.com/wgGwsyU.jpg



Also, where would Copper Age Italians be?

Do you by chance have the individual coordinates for the Copper and Bronze Age samples? I always think in a country like Italy with so much internal diversity, averages are not always that helpful.

Thanks in advance.


I will look up the individual coordinates for the Copper and Bronze Age and put them into the PCA.

Pax Augusta
18-05-21, 23:42
https://i.imgur.com/9u5s2uT.png

Archetype0ne
18-05-21, 23:49
Halfway between Liguria and Veneto/Piedmont.


https://i.imgur.com/Pl0nka7.png

I find it interesting that the Bronze Age Illyrian sample is so North Shifted. Albeit it is in line with my worldview of the time.

Archetype0ne
18-05-21, 23:55
I find it interesting that the Bronze Age Illyrian sample is so North Shifted. Albeit it is in line with my worldview of the time.

ps: Pax your PCA work and analysis is a great resource.

Edit: meant to click edit post on my last one and somehow clicked reply.

Angela
19-05-21, 01:40
The Bronze Age samples are still too few to go into that much detail, in my opinion. For example, the two samples (Middle Bronze Age ca. 1400-1200 BC?) from Olmo di Nogara (Verona) - from a previous paper - have most likely less Steppe than the ones with Steppe from Broion and Regina Margherita who are older.

For the Iron Age samples, it is true that there seems to be some difference between Latins and Etruscans, as if the Latins had a few more percentage points of WHG. But it must be considered that the average for the Latins is based on 4 out of 6, the two outliers are excluded and have been labeled Italian_Greeks. While the Etruscan average is based on all three of those from the Orientalizing phase and also includes the Etruscan outlier. While Villanovan average includes the Villanovan (which is simply an Etruscan) and the Proto-Villanovan which is a Proto-Picene, not a Proto-Etruscan.

Putting all eleven Iron Age samples in the PCA, we see that three Latins and two Etruscans are actually very similar: Latins R1016, R1021, R851, Etruscan R473, Villanovan (Etruscan) R1015. The Latin R435 is the one that goes more in the direction of south of France and Spain, while the ones that are really most similar to the Italians are the Etruscan R474 and the Proto-Villanovan R1, because they have less WHG (but compensated with higher Steppe values)

https://i.imgur.com/LDFaSSH.jpg


the outliers

https://i.imgur.com/wgGwsyU.jpg





I will look up the individual coordinates for the Copper and Bronze Age and put them into the PCA.

I'm out of juice but it's an excellent post. I guess I forgot my own warning that how you label a sample, into which group you put it, and using averages can give different results.

Angela
19-05-21, 01:52
https://i.imgur.com/9u5s2uT.png

Thanks. It helps me make sense of my own results. My closest Latin and "Etruscan" samples are R1016, R1015,and R474. Closest of all though are R1 and Illyrian Bronze, which is a whole other story. :)

Archetype0ne
19-05-21, 02:08
Thanks. It helps me make sense of my own results. My closest Latin and "Etruscan" samples are R1016, R1015,and R474. Closest of all though are R1 and Illyrian Bronze, which is a whole other story. :)

Angela what are your thoughts on this article?

https://indo-european.eu/2019/11/r1b-rich-bell-beaker-derived-italic-peoples-from-the-west-vs-etruscans-from-the-east/

Do you think any of the many hypothesis the writer gives could be a reason for atusomal relatedness between modern Italians (North?) and these Balkan Bronze sample, or even those Szolad samples much later?
Seen a lot of Italian members in the forum fall very close to these ancient Pannonian/ Balkan samples, and always wondered why.

I had a lot of fun reading the article, but given I am really not read in the field of genetic archeology and anthropology maybe you and Pax can review whether the facts check out, and warn me not to fall for any biases the writer could have. Plus its quite an interesting read.

Salento
19-05-21, 02:57
... the "Italian_Greeks" is the average results of two Iron-Age LATINS, R437 (y R1b...) and R850 (y T1a1...)

… call it Latin_Italians or Roman_Latins instead !!! … that’s where they’re from!

… or else they should be added to the other Latins.

https://i.imgur.com/ykNQxrY.gif

Pax Augusta
19-05-21, 03:28
Angela what are your thoughts on this article?

https://indo-european.eu/2019/11/r1b-rich-bell-beaker-derived-italic-peoples-from-the-west-vs-etruscans-from-the-east/

It doesn't make much sense, speculations of a blogger that does not know very well the Italian prehistory, protohistory and Iron age. On the Etruscans he has sided from the beginning with the fringe theories and the scholars who do not enjoy a lot of credit. To bring up Sea Peoples is to talk about nothing.

Archetype0ne
19-05-21, 03:55
It doesn't make much sense, speculations of a blogger that does not know very well the Italian prehistory, protohistory and Iron age. On the Etruscans he has sided from the beginning with the fringe theories and the scholars who do not enjoy a lot of credit. To bring up Sea Peoples is to talk about nothing.

I see. Thanks. :good_job:

I thought he might be well informed, cause reading the article he echoed the same quote as you a couple of posts ago about proto Villanovans and Picentes, as opposed to Etruscans.

And some of the other facts in the paper seemed to make sense with recent papers.
Which parts should I be aware of as bias? I already am aware that the Asia Minor connections he argued earlier don't make much sense given the evidence. But the facts he brings about the Apennines/Rhaetians and Balkans/Pannonia and other Indo European movements make sense.

Ps what is your thought, why do modern Northern Italians such as Tuscans and some others get close distances to these bronze age Balkan/Pannonian samples? What could explain it?

Stuvanè
19-05-21, 10:40
From Maciamo's last updates (#327).
No substantial changes.



Distance to:
Dodecadk12bStuvanè


2.44000000
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


5.56800682
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


5.98677710
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


7.55611011
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


8.90949494
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


9.05316519
Villanovans_(n=2)


11.05727815
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.89520071
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


11.97150784
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


12.46981957
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


12.65941547
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


14.29163392
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


15.88332774
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


16.57576846
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


16.98754544
Latins_(n=4)


18.57900428
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


19.17563558
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


19.70430156
EMBA_Greece_(n=6)


20.27443217
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


20.66584138
Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9)


21.15670816
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


21.25037647
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


21.28523432
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


21.49713004
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


21.57357875
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)








Distance to:
Dodecadk12bStuvanè


1.00751716
46.80% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 53.20% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


1.21333868
86.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 13.20% Avars_(n=2)


1.31544663
8.00% Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4) + 92.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.33787616
89.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 10.40% Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)


1.38828111
9.20% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8) + 90.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.39666581
87.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 12.80% Vikings_from_Poland_(n=9)


1.40308287
8.40% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12) + 91.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.40399532
86.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 13.40% Vikings_from_Ukraine_(n=4)


1.41632842
7.80% Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 92.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.41891825
90.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 10.00% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


1.43379052
8.40% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16) + 91.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.46155456
8.60% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 91.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.51060219
58.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 41.80% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


1.53487951
31.60% Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1) + 68.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.54010003
7.40% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 92.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.56920293
87.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 13.00% Vikings_from_Russia_(n=15)


1.57977958
42.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 58.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.61842251
7.20% Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7) + 92.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.69980595
12.60% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 87.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.71689479
11.60% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17) + 88.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.78727890
9.60% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 90.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.85385340
6.80% Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4) + 93.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.86953183
11.00% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4) + 89.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.87015744
6.60% Late_Mesolithic_Comb_Ceramic_culture_(n=2) + 93.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.87425309
7.80% Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4) + 92.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)

Pax Augusta
19-05-21, 15:50
I see. Thanks. :good_job:

I thought he might be well informed, cause reading the article he echoed the same quote as you a couple of posts ago about proto Villanovans and Picentes, as opposed to Etruscans.

And some of the other facts in the paper seemed to make sense with recent papers.
Which parts should I be aware of as bias? I already am aware that the Asia Minor connections he argued earlier don't make much sense given the evidence. But the facts he brings about the Apennines/Rhaetians and Balkans/Pannonia and other Indo European movements make sense.

It's is oversimplifying writing that the Italics came from the west (from where? France? Spain?) and the Etruscans from the east (from where? Veneto? Marche? Balkans? Pannonia? Siberia? Japan? Everything comes from the east, even Indo-Europeans, EEFs and hunter gatherers). Just as the concept of North-West Indo-European makes one smiles a lot, but it does exist in the scientific literature, I remember at least in Mallory.
On this I suggest you to read this

https://www.reddit.com/r/IndoEuropean/comments/g62oho/is_northwest_indoeuropean_generally_accepted_as_a/

Particularly this. CQ does have a weirdo Western bias. Then there would be a discussion about how much Indo-European linguists like Adrados and Beekes have been overrated (and how many of their theories were very old and outdated). The damage done by Indo-European linguists is enormous. Just as other well-known amateur bloggers have a weirdo Eastern bias, let's be clear.

https://i.imgur.com/ZCyXGCx.png


Samples are few, and the interpretation of sample analysis cannot be separated from what other disciplines have been saying for years. Just as the concepts of ethnogenesis, cultural formation, self-identification and ethnic self-awareness must be taken into account.

In both cases, in the case of the Latins and the Etruscans, the consensus is that they were formed in Italy where their ethnogenesis took place, and that only from the beginning of the Iron Age we can speak of Latin and Etruscan ethnicity.

In the post Italics are being pitted against Etruscans, but the analyses in Antonio 2019 are primarily concerned with Latins except R1, not Italics. Italics is first of all a linguistic classification, and there is no consensus that Latin (or better, Latino-Faliscan) is an Italic language. Sometimes, instead, it happens to read that Latino-Faliscan is Western-Italic and Osco-Umbrian is Eastern-Italic. Strictly speaking only the Osco-Umbrian languages are considered truly Italic, with the idea that the Latino-Faliscan and the Osco-Umbrian group are two distinct IE linguistic groups and that any similarities are due to convergences of historical age due to numerous contacts. At present we do not know with certainty if Latino-Faliscan and Osco-Umbrian really descend from a common ancestor, when they split from this common ancestor, if they are languages arrived together or separate in Italy and they are really part of the Italo-Celtic family.

Specific studies on the origins in prehistory and protohistory of the ancestors of the speakers of Latin-Faliscan and Osco-Umbrian languages are few (they were all too busy writing crap about the origins of the Etruscans). From time to time you will read that the Latin-Faliscan speakers are thought to have arrived before the Osco-Umbrians and yet both have some relationship to Middle-Danube Urnfield cultures. In older studies, however, they were both related to older archaeological cultures of Prehistoric Italy.

I'll be back soon with another post, I'm busy right now.



Ps what is your thought, why do modern Northern Italians such as Tuscans and some others get close distances to these bronze age Balkan/Pannonian samples? What could explain it?


Because in modern Northern Italians and Tuscans WHG has decreased (compared to CA/EBA samples) and clearly they have moved closer to bronze age Balkan/Pannonian samples. This can be due to multiple reasons. One is undoubtedly the continuous relations between Italy, which is at the center of the Mediterranean, and the Balkans since the prehistory.

Angela
19-05-21, 16:55
... the "Italian_Greeks" is the average results of two Iron-Age LATINS, R437 (y R1b...) and R850 (y T1a1...)

… call it Latin_Italians or Roman_Latins instead !!! … that’s where they’re from!

… or else they should be added to the other Latins.

https://i.imgur.com/ykNQxrY.gif

You're right; all six of them are members of Latin tribes from the first millennium BC.

For what it's worth, one model shows me as 65% Latin (the more "northern" four) plus 35% "Italian Greek". So, basically, a mix of the six Latins in the analysis.

The two "Italian-Greeks" are just the Latins of the Republican period who show the progressive movement north of more "Greek like ancestry" imo. Doesn't stop them from being Latins. It just means they're a mix of the "older" perhaps Latin population and more Greek like ancestry.

Either just call them Latins, or maybe "Latin-Greeks" at least.

torzio
19-05-21, 18:53
It's is oversimplifying writing that the Italics came from the west (from where? France? Spain?) and the Etruscans from the east (from where? Veneto? Marche? Balkans? Pannonia? Siberia? Japan? Everything comes from the east, even Indo-Europeans, EEFs and hunter gatherers). Just as the concept of North-West Indo-European makes one smiles a lot, but it does exist in the scientific literature, I remember at least in Mallory.
On this I suggest you to read this

https://www.reddit.com/r/IndoEuropean/comments/g62oho/is_northwest_indoeuropean_generally_accepted_as_a/

Particularly this. CQ does have a weirdo Western bias. Then there would be a discussion about how much Indo-European linguists like Adrados and Beekes have been overrated (and how many of their theories were very old and outdated). The damage done by Indo-European linguists is enormous. Just as other well-known amateur bloggers have a weirdo Eastern bias, let's be clear.

https://i.imgur.com/ZCyXGCx.png


Samples are few, and the interpretation of sample analysis cannot be separated from what other disciplines have been saying for years. Just as the concepts of ethnogenesis, cultural formation, self-identification and ethnic self-awareness must be taken into account.

In both cases, in the case of the Latins and the Etruscans, the consensus is that they were formed in Italy where their ethnogenesis took place, and that only from the beginning of the Iron Age we can speak of Latin and Etruscan ethnicity.

In the post Italics are being pitted against Etruscans, but the analyses in Antonio 2019 are primarily concerned with Latins except R1, not Italics. Italics is first of all a linguistic classification, and there is no consensus that Latin (or better, Latino-Faliscan) is an Italic language. Sometimes, instead, it happens to read that Latino-Faliscan is Western-Italic and Osco-Umbrian is Eastern-Italic. Strictly speaking only the Osco-Umbrian languages are considered truly Italic, with the idea that the Latino-Faliscan and the Osco-Umbrian group are two distinct IE linguistic groups and that any similarities are due to convergences of historical age due to numerous contacts. At present we do not know with certainty if Latino-Faliscan and Osco-Umbrian really descend from a common ancestor, when they split from this common ancestor, if they are languages arrived together or separate in Italy and they are really part of the Italo-Celtic family.

Specific studies on the origins in prehistory and protohistory of the ancestors of the speakers of Latin-Faliscan and Osco-Umbrian languages are few (they were all too busy writing crap about the origins of the Etruscans). From time to time you will read that the Latin-Faliscan speakers are thought to have arrived before the Osco-Umbrians and yet both have some relationship to Middle-Danube Urnfield cultures. In older studies, however, they were both related to older archaeological cultures of Prehistoric Italy.

I'll be back soon with another post, I'm busy right now.





Because in modern Northern Italians and Tuscans WHG has decreased (compared to CA/EBA samples) and clearly they have moved closer to bronze age Balkan/Pannonian samples. This can be due to multiple reasons. One is undoubtedly the continuous relations between Italy, which is at the center of the Mediterranean, and the Balkans since the prehistory.

Osco-Umbrian is also known previously as Umbro-Sabellic or just Sabellic .............Umbrians are ancestors of the Samnites, Volsci, Sabines to name 3 major tribes.....they are associated with many more

https://oxfordre.com/classics/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780199381135.001.0001/acrefore-9780199381135-e-4616

meaning that in central and southern italy there was only 2 major "races" ......the 12 tribes of the Etruscans in the western part and the Umbri-Sabellic group in the eastern and southern part .............I have stated this many years ago

you only need to check where the latins came from..............since they spent over 200 years under Etruscan rule, some scholars state they are an out-branch of etruscan.....I doubt we will ever find out

in the North.............the Ligurians in the west and the 34 tribes of the Euganei in the east are the original people ..............I predict the Rhaeti are a Euganei tribe like the camuni or stoeni are, but had etruscan influence later since their language only appeared circa 600BC

torzio
19-05-21, 18:59
my cousin from Cles -Trentino .............her line is from my grandfather sister



Distance to:
TrentinoCles


3.03482057

Bronze_Age_Illyrians


5.83890401
Villanovans_(n=2)


6.10347442
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


8.33524445
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


10.23312269
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.21687122
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


12.04986307
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


12.34738029
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


12.73217185
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


13.23675564
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


13.30812909
Latins_(n=4)


14.99738977
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


15.43010693
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


15.54832467
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


17.71318718
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


18.41030146
Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9)


18.62196821
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


19.03681433
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


19.17109804
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


19.81995711
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


20.08211891
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


20.10456167
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


20.50580406
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


21.16651837
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


21.37520760
EMBA_Greece_(n=6)







Distance to:
TrentinoCles


1.86620812
40.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 59.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


1.93101612
41.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 58.80% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


2.03834369
46.60% Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1) + 53.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


2.36161214
31.40% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 68.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


2.70580330
34.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 65.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


2.73930063
63.80% EMBA_Greece_(n=6) + 36.20% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)


2.79516529
49.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 50.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.84060803
63.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 37.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)


2.89898553
3.00% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 97.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.92356746
53.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 46.40% Vikings_from_Poland_(n=9)


2.93051229
2.40% Chalcolithic_Israel + 97.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.93501708
38.00% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 62.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


2.95238884
97.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 2.20% Iron_Age_&_Hellenistic_Egypt_(n=3)


2.97454232
97.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 2.20% Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)


2.97946004
2.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 98.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.98143479
2.20% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 97.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.98155385
2.00% Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9) + 98.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.98980873
2.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Jordan_(n=3) + 98.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.99131520
89.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 10.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


2.99375570
60.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 39.20% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


2.99530594
93.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 6.60% Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


2.99765953
2.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 97.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.99804072
52.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 48.00% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


2.99815412
2.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2) + 97.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.01516146

96.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 3.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)







Target: TrentinoCles
Distance: 1.8718% / 1.87180944 | ADC: 0.25x RC





77.5

Bronze_Age_Illyrians






12.2

EMBA_Greece_(n=6)






10.3
Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)

Jovialis
19-05-21, 20:53
This would be the Latin average if R437 and R850 were included in them. Much more Italian:


Latins_(n=6),4.358333333,0.27,2.18,0.311666667,40. 96333333,20.06666667,0.263333333,0.095,6.183333333 ,0,25.14333333,0.166666667



Distance to:
Latins_(n=6)


3.56338751
French_Corsica


5.02105207
Italian_Emilia


5.11350472
Italian_Liguria


5.28653924
Italian_Tuscany


5.89395429
Italian_Lombardy


7.47409062
Italian_Romagna


7.91374735
Italian_Piedmont


8.60432820
Italian_Veneto


9.84376671
Swiss_Italian


9.96968511
Italian_Marche


10.86047254
Italian_Lazio


11.26234717
Italian_Trentino


11.70160091
Italian_Friuli_VG


12.59631416
Spanish_Baleares


13.08773715
Italian_Aosta_Valley


13.64015263
Spanish_Canarias


13.73156815
Portuguese


13.87824666
Spanish_Castilla-Leon


14.18387337
Albanian_Kosovo


14.27653893
Spanish_Valencia


14.34128645
Albanian


15.01858506
Macedonian_Vardar


15.10981018
Greek_Thessaly


15.15642428
Macedonian_South


15.25645319
Spanish_Catalonia

Jovialis
19-05-21, 21:03
This would be the Latin average if R437 and R850 were included in them. Much more Italian:


Latins_(n=6),4.358333333,0.27,2.18,0.311666667,40. 96333333,20.06666667,0.263333333,0.095,6.183333333 ,0,25.14333333,0.166666667



Distance to:
Latins_(n=6)


3.56338751
French_Corsica


5.02105207
Italian_Emilia


5.11350472
Italian_Liguria


5.28653924
Italian_Tuscany


5.89395429
Italian_Lombardy


7.47409062
Italian_Romagna


7.91374735
Italian_Piedmont


8.60432820
Italian_Veneto


9.84376671
Swiss_Italian


9.96968511
Italian_Marche


10.86047254
Italian_Lazio


11.26234717
Italian_Trentino


11.70160091
Italian_Friuli_VG


12.59631416
Spanish_Baleares


13.08773715
Italian_Aosta_Valley


13.64015263
Spanish_Canarias


13.73156815
Portuguese


13.87824666
Spanish_Castilla-Leon


14.18387337
Albanian_Kosovo


14.27653893
Spanish_Valencia


14.34128645
Albanian


15.01858506
Macedonian_Vardar


15.10981018
Greek_Thessaly


15.15642428
Macedonian_South


15.25645319
Spanish_Catalonia






Distance to:
Jovialis


2.67342477
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


4.13714878
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


4.96643735
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


5.23919841
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


8.54637350
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


10.89175835
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


12.93336383
Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


13.26984928
EMBA_Greece_(n=6)


14.82023157
Latins_(n=6)


15.18323088
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


15.74704734
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


17.80178643
Villanovans_(n=2)


18.03439492
Etruscans_(n=3)


19.67391420
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


20.82980557
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


21.04682874
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2)


21.66482402
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


22.36252669
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


22.85149010
Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


23.50336997
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


23.70956769
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


23.75943812
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7)


24.15866925
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


24.22953157
Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)


24.28315877
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)

Jovialis
19-05-21, 21:10
https://i.imgur.com/fqYqRwF.png

Jovialis
19-05-21, 21:47
^^I have a feeling once other Italic tribe samples in the Iron Age are available, combining them will also match up along the Italian-cline.

https://i.imgur.com/s1ZBBtr.gif

Angela
19-05-21, 21:57
Thanks, Jovialis,

As I said a few posts upthread, about 2/3 "older" Latin, and 1/3 "newer" Latin. Since the "newer" Latins were half "older" Latin, maybe 82% "older" Latin, and 18% Greek.

He always said that after the Fall of the Empire, a lot of the "Romans" fled to the Apennines. Maybe through his rather encyclopedic knowledge of Roman history, the history of the mountains, and sheer gut instinct he got it right? Maybe it's a pipe dream, but he would have been very, very, happy.



Distance to:
Angela


2.15749791
Latins_(n=6)


6.57863208
Villanovans_(n=2)


7.43920023
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


7.91382967
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


7.96705717
Etruscans_(n=3)


10.01388037
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


10.15557975
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


13.13808205
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


13.49591049
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


13.54544942
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


13.78129892
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


13.85853528
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


14.35290215
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


14.42208723
Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9)


14.43457308
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


16.39635935
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)


16.75045373
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


17.10258752
EMBA_Greece_(n=6)


17.63364682
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


17.94728392
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


18.23290981
Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)


19.39564642
Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14)


19.57804127
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


19.84998741
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=8)


20.64407663
LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8)

Salento
20-05-21, 04:23
Thanks Angela and Jovialis :)

… the six Latins on GedM… :

# XH4246097 - R435
# SA5994979 - R437
# SN3426822 - R850
# GG2504860 - R851
# YB8192286 - R1016
# AP5582604 - R1021

… one to one - Latins vs S_me:

(the Red underline indicates the minimum amount of settings that I needed in order to get results … but this might be different in your case)

R435
https://i.imgur.com/Ou6n6MJ.jpg

R437
https://i.imgur.com/ShbvlHA.jpg

R850
https://i.imgur.com/GvLtZ2v.jpg

R851
https://i.imgur.com/Lvxd7ue.jpg

R1016
https://i.imgur.com/8HOBrgT.jpg

R1021
https://i.imgur.com/MLfLZdq.jpg

True Caesar
27-05-21, 00:38
Hi there, this is my first post here so I apologize for any formatting issues. I have run my genome on the Ethnicity Analyzer and, although I'm not a complete novice, I am also not a professional with an in-depth understanding of the terminology of archaeo-genetics. If anyone more experienced could give me a basic idea of what the basic takeaway from my results are, I would greatly appreciate it. I know this will be a lot to read. Thank you for your patience!

Bronze Age Single Distance
Distance to: True Caesar
3.42622241 Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
6.4413896 Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)
7.39949998 Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
7.84600535 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24)
10.01050448 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
10.15527942 Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28)
14.31376959 EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)
15.01219504 Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)
19.04210335 Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)
19.73485749 EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18)
20.41782065 MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)
22.4217729 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
23.13338497 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
24.50082652 LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)
25.61892465 Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)
26.34931878 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)
26.65365266 MBA_Andronovo_culture_(n=3)
28.98739726 Middle_Bronze_Age_Portugal_(n=4)
30.13379166 Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9)
30.77936809 LBA_South_Siberia_(n=4)
36.33249372 EMBA_Poltavka_culture_(n=8)
38.45547555 LBA_Karasuk_culture_(n=7)
39.98934108 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
40.09005862 Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12)

Bronze Age Single Populations
Target: True Caesar
Distance: 0.5824% / 0.58235238
35.3 MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)

29.3 Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)

26.8 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)

7.3 Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=4)

0.7 Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)

0.6 Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)

Bronze Age 2 Populations
Distance to: True Caesar
1.59115478 84.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 15.20% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12)
1.69730799 33.60% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 66.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
1.71590661 85.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 15.00% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)
2.42189281 49.00% EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18) + 51.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)
2.6884176 18.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=7) + 81.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
2.78169513 25.40% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4) + 74.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
2.84353548 60.20% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 39.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
2.84399493 56.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 43.60% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)
2.89182791 96.60% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 3.40% Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=4)
2.95960877 3.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 97.00% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
2.96937866 3.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2) + 97.00% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
2.97014295 2.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 97.60% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
3.0341197 93.40% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 6.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
3.040326 79.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 20.40% MBA_Andronovo_culture_(n=3)
3.0549948 68.20% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 31.80% Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9)
3.07180005 2.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=24) + 97.60% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
3.08046312 2.20% Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9) + 97.80% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
3.11285152 97.80% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 2.20% Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)
3.13242076 18.00% EMBA_Catacomb_culture_(n=4) + 82.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
3.15717176 2.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 97.20% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
3.17671521 25.60% EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18) + 74.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
3.26430697 90.00% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 10.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
3.29712765 58.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 41.40% MBA_Andronovo_culture_(n=3)
3.30513966 97.80% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 2.20% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12)
3.32772977 98.00% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 2.00% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)

Iron Age & Antiquity Single Distance
Distance to: True Caesar
6.81678077 Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)
7.22959197 Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
7.36313113 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
10.47329938 Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
13.78856048 Iron_Age_Sweden_(n=4)
15.58710364 Iron_Age_Norway_(n=6)
19.25478122 Western_Scythians_(n=28)
22.95246174 Latins_(n=4)
23.11163776 Villanovans_(n=2)
26.37949203 Cimmerians_(n=6)
26.49583741 Etruscans_(n=3)
28.38447287 Iron_Age_Finland_(n=3)
31.61981657 Sarmatians_(n=14)
34.38290854 Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)
36.17065109 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
37.17051251 Tian_Shan_Saka_(n=5)
41.72189953 Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)
43.73885001 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
45.41340661 Iron_Age_Armenia_(n=7)
47.46931746 Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
61.68818607 Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6)
63.91114379 Iron_Age_&_Hellenistic_Egypt_(n=3)

Iron Age Single Populations
Target:True Caesar
Distance: 1.4333% / 1.43325196
48.3 Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)

36.9 Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)

9.4 Iron_Age_Armenia_(n=7)

5 Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)

0.4 Latins_(n=4)

Iron Age 2 Populations
Distance to: True Caesar
2.75187935 82.40% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 17.60% Sarmatians_(n=14)
2.996652 40.20% Latins_(n=4) + 59.80% Iron_Age_Norway_(n=6)
3.15590703 69.60% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 30.40% Iron_Age_Norway_(n=6)
3.19892371 30.40% Villanovans_(n=2) + 69.60% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
3.57323413 80.60% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 19.40% Cimmerians_(n=6)
3.59732866 84.20% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 15.80% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)
3.8589234 85.80% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 14.20% Tian_Shan_Saka_(n=5)
3.8630115 36.80% Villanovans_(n=2) + 63.20% Iron_Age_Sweden_(n=4)
3.97940546 61.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 39.00% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
4.02964527 30.00% Latins_(n=4) + 70.00% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
4.11643077 68.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 31.60% Iron_Age_Sweden_(n=4)
4.18518154 21.00% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 79.00% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
4.197866 36.80% Latins_(n=4) + 63.20% Iron_Age_Sweden_(n=4)
4.37908155 76.60% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 23.40% Western_Scythians_(n=28)
4.38652145 10.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 89.20% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)
4.43890894 12.60% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 87.40% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)
4.50035087 9.80% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46) + 90.20% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)
4.53444738 26.60% Etruscans_(n=3) + 73.40% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
4.60175726 39.60% Villanovans_(n=2) + 60.40% Iron_Age_Norway_(n=6)
4.61345395 7.60% Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6) + 92.40% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)
4.61423963 11.00% Iron_Age_Armenia_(n=7) + 89.00% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
4.65893618 17.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 82.20% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
4.67794238 18.00% Villanovans_(n=2) + 82.00% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)
4.6901382 46.60% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 53.40% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)
4.84422562 79.60% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4) + 20.40% Western_Scythians_(n=28)
Late Antiquity & Middle Ages Single Distance
Distance to: True Caesar
5.54721552 Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
5.84649468 Lombards_(n=28)
6.07796841 Roman_Britain_(n=8)
7.6596214 Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
8.05869096 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
8.29250867 Vikings_from_England_(n=28)
9.88838207 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
10.32814117 Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)
11.42776881 Norwegian_Vikings_(n=12)
12.84083331 Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
13.38827099 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
15.7367055 Vikings_from_Russia_(n=15)
16.42927874 Vikings_from_Ukraine_(n=4)
16.87251019 Vikings_from_Poland_(n=9)
18.47990801 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
18.53760233 Avars_(n=2)
21.62859681 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
24.51752027 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
26.4309629 Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)
29.45737938 Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)
30.02886112 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
31.08826628 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
31.88300801 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
32.25517633 Iron_Age_Kangju_(n=4)
32.56310642 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)

Late Antiquity & Early Middle Ages Single Populations
Target: True Caesar
Distance: 2.2659% / 2.26592917
69 Lombards_(n=28)

12.5 Roman_Britain_(n=8)

10.2 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)

8.3 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)

Late Antiquity & Early Middle Ages 2 Populations
Distance to: True Caesar
2.43289014 22.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9) + 77.60% Lombards_(n=28)
2.70413151 14.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 85.20% Lombards_(n=28)
2.86187318 19.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 80.80% Lombards_(n=28)
2.91858733 17.20% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16) + 82.80% Lombards_(n=28)
2.97033783 13.60% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24) + 86.40% Lombards_(n=28)
3.0144616 27.80% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24) + 72.20% Lombards_(n=28)
3.24127562 19.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9) + 80.20% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
3.24666273 12.00% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7) + 88.00% Lombards_(n=28)
3.396539 24.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 75.40% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)
3.39995769 28.00% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24) + 72.00% Roman_Britain_(n=8)
3.43125451 17.20% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16) + 82.80% Roman_Britain_(n=8)
3.43698022 14.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 85.60% Roman_Britain_(n=8)
3.46791312 28.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16) + 71.40% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)
3.5028751 43.00% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24) + 57.00% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)
3.57655722 12.60% Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5) + 87.40% Lombards_(n=28)
3.66559614 16.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 83.60% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
3.69296151 24.40% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24) + 75.60% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
3.69644235 12.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 87.80% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
3.6989282 13.20% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24) + 86.80% Roman_Britain_(n=8)
3.7436355 12.80% Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5) + 87.20% Roman_Britain_(n=8)
3.76244985 14.40% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16) + 85.60% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
3.77998859 19.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 80.20% Vikings_from_England_(n=28)
3.79251581 36.40% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24) + 63.60% Vikings_from_England_(n=28)
3.81735871 11.20% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24) + 88.80% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
3.81843095 23.40% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16) + 76.60% Vikings_from_England_(n=28)

Maciamo
16-06-21, 11:06
Thanks to Jovialis I was able to add more Neolithic samples from Anatolia, bringing to total of aceramic Neolithic from 8 to 14 and or Early Neolithic from 7 to 20 samples.

Jovialis
16-06-21, 14:31
Great additions, Maciamo!

Here are my genetic affinities using only sample cohorts from the Epipalaeolithic to the Chalcolithic.

Early Neolithic Anatolia is my closest, albeit at a distance of 23.6



Distance to:
Jovialis


23.62873463
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20)


24.04178446
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14)


24.22953157
Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)


24.28315877
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)


25.05136523
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


26.64969418
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


27.77403284
Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6)


27.80616658
LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8)


28.89243500
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15)


29.31258262
Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14)


29.60775743
LN_Tisza-Sopot_culture_(n=11)


29.76361369
EN_LBK_culture_(n=43)


29.78313953
Middle_Chalcolithic_Hungary_(n=9)


29.86402016
Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35)


30.09641175
EN_Alfold_Linear_Pottery_culture_(n=20)


30.59360391
MN_Vinca_culture_(n=6)


31.03693284
Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10)


31.06454732
Chalcolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=4)


31.48242526
Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10)


34.11857119
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)


34.41035455
Mesolithic_Anatolia_(AHG)_(n=1)


35.25574847
Chalcolithic_Israel


36.16582088
Chalcolithic_Italy_(n=5)


38.92927048
Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19)


39.94916269
Early_Neolithic_Maghreb_(n=1)


40.28320990
Megalithic_Europe_(n=24)


40.53531670
Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10)


40.93693809
Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58)


41.56312188
Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3)


41.58420373
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)


43.90116513
Chalcolithic_Portugal_(n=11)


44.41834418
Neolithic_Britain_(n=62)


44.75089385
Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10)


45.58891971
Middle_Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12)


45.93225120
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)


45.99859563
Chalcolithic_Spain_(n=60)


47.45674662
Middle-Late_Neolithic_Portugal_(n=4)


47.87389581
Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=10)


48.82845789
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)


49.08029544
Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6)


51.09580805
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)


52.07516491
Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1)


57.12971906
Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3)


59.47045569
Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)


59.85499812
Botai_culture_(n=3)


60.45943433
CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5)


65.49179033
Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43)


67.64727119
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)


68.55580209
Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3)


70.35709062
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)


70.53476590
Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4)


72.06702089
Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31)


75.03895055
Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12)


75.32657499
Mesolithic_Volga-Ural_(n=2)


75.91438665
Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7)


77.55921480
Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4)


79.68623030
Late_Mesolithic_Comb_Ceramic_culture_(n=2)


80.93197699
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)





I get a much better fit in the two-way mixture:



Distance to:
Jovialis


3.64061560
72.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20) + 27.80% CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5)


3.71535380
38.80% MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6) + 61.20% Chalcolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=4)


4.02620128
74.60% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20) + 25.40% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3)


4.62903869
37.80% MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6) + 62.20% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35)


4.65025093
69.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 30.20% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3)


4.90628327
71.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20) + 28.80% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3)


5.15423819
73.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 26.40% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3)


5.63351293
61.20% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 38.80% Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3)


5.72542824
63.80% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 36.20% Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1)


6.23333332
71.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 28.80% CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5)


6.60384926
50.00% Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3) + 50.00% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)


6.61291111
71.00% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14) + 29.00% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3)


7.07703721
63.00% Chalcolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=4) + 37.00% Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1)


7.08086820
23.20% Mesolithic_Volga-Ural_(n=2) + 76.80% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20)


7.65535396
50.80% Megalithic_Europe_(n=24) + 49.20% Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3)


7.97173129
22.40% Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4) + 77.60% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20)


8.01555697
21.80% Late_Mesolithic_Comb_Ceramic_culture_(n=2) + 78.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20)


8.01965985
24.00% Mesolithic_Volga-Ural_(n=2) + 76.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


8.28248983
48.20% Neolithic_Britain_(n=62) + 51.80% Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3)


8.41479614
75.20% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14) + 24.80% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3)


8.48400502
54.20% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 45.80% Chalcolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=4)


8.55351243
52.60% Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3) + 47.40% Chalcolithic_Spain_(n=60)


8.97184120
22.80% Late_Mesolithic_Comb_Ceramic_culture_(n=2) + 77.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


9.02036597
51.40% Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3) + 48.60% Chalcolithic_Portugal_(n=11)


9.03424059
23.20% Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4) + 76.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)

Maciamo
16-06-21, 16:12
Using only Epipaleolithic to Chalcolithic samples I get something similar from you using the 2way admixtures, except that I get Globular amphora instead of Early Neolithic Anatolia.


3.76789093 38.60% CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5) + 61.40% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)
4.90883067 33.60% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3) + 66.40% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)

Remedello also often scores high:

4.38709789 46.00% CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5) + 54.00% CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
5.67636631 40.60% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3) + 59.40% CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)

Jovialis
16-06-21, 16:33
Using only Epipaleolithic to Chalcolithic samples I get something similar from you using the 2way admixtures, except that I get Globular amphora instead of Early Neolithic Anatolia.


3.76789093 38.60% CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5) + 61.40% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)
4.90883067 33.60% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3) + 66.40% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)

Remedello also often scores high:

4.38709789 46.00% CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5) + 54.00% CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
5.67636631 40.60% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3) + 59.40% CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)

Makes sense considering GAC had a fair amount of WHG:

https://i.imgur.com/a7YV86g.jpg

torzio
16-06-21, 19:30
^^I have a feeling once other Italic tribe samples in the Iron Age are available, combining them will also match up along the Italian-cline.

https://i.imgur.com/s1ZBBtr.gif


this is a linguistic map .............seems fine .............the Umbri dominate ( pale blue as they are all proto-umbri tribes )...............the only issue is that we have no north-picene on the map......as italian scholars state , the north picenes was a Liburnian colony from circa 1000Bc to about 400 to 600BC when it changed linguistically to Umbri

torzio
16-06-21, 19:39
Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 0.2384% / 0.23838372





18.1
MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)






17.9
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)






11.8
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)






8.0
Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)






6.8
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)






6.3
Iron_Age_Armenia_(n=7)






5.5
Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35)






4.0
Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10)






3.7
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)






3.1
Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)






2.5
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)






2.2
Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10)






1.7
Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)






1.6
Mesolithic_Anatolia_(AHG)_(n=1)






1.5
Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)






1.2
Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=4)






1.1
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)






0.9
Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)






0.6
CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5)






0.6
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=8)






0.6
Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4)






0.2
Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3)






0.1
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=24)

torzio
16-06-21, 19:40
Distance to:

Torziok12b


0.96235572
30.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 69.20% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.28275078
26.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 74.00% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.32009497
67.80% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 32.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


1.32271482
38.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 61.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.36758056
30.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 69.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.41204789
44.60% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 55.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.42057771
30.40% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 69.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.42644518
64.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 35.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.43970424
47.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.00% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)


1.47469894
23.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 76.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.55218859
52.80% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14) + 47.20% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17)


1.58061234
16.00% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14) + 84.00% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


1.61329492
66.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 33.60% Roman_Britain_(n=8)


1.62339551
14.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 85.40% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


1.63696416
54.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 45.80% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


1.64679071
54.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.65219103
32.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24) + 68.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.65452907
21.20% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4) + 78.80% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.68529846
51.80% EMBA_Greece_(n=6) + 48.20% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)


1.69887007
51.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 49.00% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)


1.70260430
44.80% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 55.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.71723077
23.60% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 76.40% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.72693236
24.00% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 76.00% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.73022344
53.00% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 47.00% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


1.73354583
39.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 60.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)







Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 1.0953% / 1.09528753 | ADC: 0.25x RC





33.0

Bronze_Age_Illyrians






27.4
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)






22.7
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)






16.9
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)

Dibran
19-06-21, 03:35
Target: Dibran
Distance: 1.1117% / 1.11166498
45.5 Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
25.8 Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)
14.8 Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
13.2 Latins_(n=4)
0.7 Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3)


Target: Dibran
Distance: 1.8775% / 1.87749398 | ADC: 0.25x RC
45.9 Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
35.2 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
18.9 Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)

Maciamo
20-06-21, 14:53
I have added the average for 23 samples from Early Bronze Age Serbia (from Zegarac 2021 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-89090-x), contemporary to the Unetice culture further north). Thanks again to Jovialis for providing the samples.

EBA Serbians were closest to modern Bavarian Germans (distance = 6.8), followed by Northeast French (7.9) and Italians from the Aosta Valley (8.1). So, in other words, they match modern populations around the Alps (NB: no modern Swiss K12b available). Looks like a Proto-Italo-Celtic population. However they carried Y-haplogroups R1b-Z2103, J2b, I2a1a and I2a1b, which looks more typically from the Balkans than from Celtic populations. I suppose back in the EBA the people from the Balkans (be them Proto-Illyrians, Proto-Greeks or others) were still autosomally close to their Proto-Italo-Celtic cousins and that they drifted later with all the successive waves of migrations to the Balkans.

italouruguayan
20-06-21, 18:32
My results

Distance to: italouruguayan


11.56324781 Western_Scythians_(n=28)
13.80911655 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
14.69083047 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
16.23768764 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
16.25998155 Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)
16.91561409 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
17.20738795 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
17.22619517 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
17.28995084 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
17.89198424 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
18.33555017 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
18.58682060 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
19.14316327 Villanovans_(n=2)
19.40467469 Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23)
19.72882916 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
19.86298819 Etruscans_(n=3)
20.81990874 Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)

torzio
20-06-21, 18:54
Distance to:
Torziok12b


5.12530750

Bronze_Age_Illyrians


6.19887086
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


6.46840011
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


7.93611996
Villanovans_(n=2)


8.83276287
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


9.58380926
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


9.76980041
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


11.13904394
Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23)



11.45072923
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.79564750
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


13.59802927
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


13.72095113
Latins_(n=4)


14.38534671
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


14.46272104
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


14.51663529
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.18951941
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


15.64978594
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


16.26212471
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


17.55391694
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


17.79364774
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


17.83940302
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)


18.06710824
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


18.08538360
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


18.27350267
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


18.80015160
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)

Jovialis
21-06-21, 15:09
By itself, I get a far distance from EBA Serbia, but combined with Italian-Greeks, I get a pretty decent fit:




Distance to:
Jovialis


3.44568488
24.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23) + 76.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)






Perhaps something partly owed to the legacy of Iapygians and Colonial Greeks?

https://i.imgur.com/x610RqK.png

Duarte
21-06-21, 16:20
Distance to:
Duarte


6.17150711
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.71266713
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.86048341
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.27186764
Latins_(n=4)


12.12435978
Villanovans_(n=2)


13.33091895
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


14.03098001
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


14.05696980
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


14.07130058
Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9)


14.52055095
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


14.84792915
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


15.04884381
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


15.13849068
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


15.21667178
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


15.30209790
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.31625933
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


16.25126149
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


16.35257166
Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23)


16.54298643
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


16.76632041
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


17.46561765
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


17.48110694
Middle_Bronze_Age_Portugal_(n=4)


18.85846229
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


18.93396947
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


20.69150309
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)

Stuvanè
21-06-21, 16:43
Distance to:
Dodecadk12bStuvanè


2.44000000
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


5.56800682
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


5.98677710
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


7.55611011
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


8.90949494
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


9.05316519
Villanovans_(n=2)


11.05727815
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.89520071
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


11.97150784
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


12.46981957
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


12.65941547
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


14.29163392
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


15.88332774
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


16.54552810
Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23)


16.57576846
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


16.98754544
Latins_(n=4)


18.57900428
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


19.17563558
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


19.70430156
EMBA_Greece_(n=6)


20.27443217
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


20.66584138
Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9)


21.15670816
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


21.25037647
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


21.28523432
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


21.49713004
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)







Distance to:
Dodecadk12bStuvanè


1.00751716
46.80% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 53.20% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


1.21333868
86.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 13.20% Avars_(n=2)


1.31544663
8.00% Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4) + 92.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.33787616
89.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 10.40% Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)


1.38280652
53.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23) + 46.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.38828111
9.20% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8) + 90.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.39666581
87.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 12.80% Vikings_from_Poland_(n=9)


1.40308287
8.40% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12) + 91.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.40399532
86.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 13.40% Vikings_from_Ukraine_(n=4)


1.41632842
7.80% Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 92.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.41891825
90.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 10.00% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


1.43379052
8.40% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16) + 91.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.46155456
8.60% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 91.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.51060219
58.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 41.80% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


1.52904928
58.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23) + 41.60% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


1.53487951
31.60% Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1) + 68.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.54010003
7.40% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 92.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.56920293
87.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 13.00% Vikings_from_Russia_(n=15)


1.57589108
41.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23) + 58.20% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.57977958
42.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 58.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.61842251
7.20% Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7) + 92.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.69980595
12.60% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 87.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.71689479
11.60% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17) + 88.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.78727890
9.60% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 90.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.85246345
30.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23) + 69.20% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)

Regio X
21-06-21, 20:20
In my group, my mother is the closest to the EBA Serbia, at a distance of 8.87.

And the 2WAY (2x)...



Distance to:
RegioX_FTDNA


1.45561826
32.20% Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6) + 67.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.46999653
68.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 31.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


1.67252793
18.80% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 81.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.74926902
13.00% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 87.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.74930627
26.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 73.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.76029132
22.60% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 77.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.76477421
40.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 60.00% Lombards_(n=28)


1.77429784
14.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24) + 85.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.80292798
84.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 15.20% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)


1.80638814
87.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 12.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)


1.80890006
84.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 15.20% Roman_Britain_(n=8)


1.83234450
13.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28) + 86.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.84124852
51.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 48.60% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)


1.89834842
17.20% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 82.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.95114784
11.60% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 88.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.96226943
18.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 81.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.97834395
66.40% Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20) + 33.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.98747101
18.40% Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20) + 81.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.04111403
46.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 53.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


2.04139868
26.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 73.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


2.07184724
22.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 77.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.08097702
46.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 53.40% Roman_Britain_(n=8)


2.08941439
24.00% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 76.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


2.09585656
9.80% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4) + 90.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.10282338
64.60% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 35.40% EMBA_Greece_(n=6)





Distance to:
RegioX_23andMe


1.42479172
28.80% Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6) + 71.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.42565213
67.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 32.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


1.69269007
11.60% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 88.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.72591369
16.60% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 83.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.73133944
12.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24) + 87.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.73327386
20.20% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 79.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.76857413
11.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28) + 88.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.77775440
86.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 13.40% Roman_Britain_(n=8)


1.78771265
88.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 11.40% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)


1.79014750
86.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 13.40% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)


1.81232019
27.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 72.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.83624360
10.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 89.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.87104660
27.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 73.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


1.87478837
40.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 59.20% Lombards_(n=28)


1.88304572
15.20% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 84.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.91153912
16.40% Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20) + 83.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.91527543
52.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 47.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)


1.95073919
8.80% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4) + 91.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.96838582
16.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 83.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.02572039
65.60% Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20) + 34.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


2.02854129
20.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 79.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.05470484
87.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 12.80% Lombards_(n=28)


2.06226154
9.60% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3) + 90.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.08128997
88.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 11.80% Vikings_from_England_(n=28)


2.08153718
49.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 50.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24)





Distance to:
Father_23andMe


1.32938666
69.40% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 30.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


1.68410923
58.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 41.60% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.68672092
69.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 30.40% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


1.69253886
35.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 64.40% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.70435498
66.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 33.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.72649841
57.80% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 42.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.78708237
55.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 44.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.82450264
41.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 58.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28)


1.85904253
23.40% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 76.60% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


1.88743421
42.00% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 58.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.91054641
52.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 47.60% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.92618104
51.80% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 48.20% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


1.93964645
22.00% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 78.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


1.95151864
50.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 50.00% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)


1.96956530
20.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 79.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


1.98929079
48.40% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 51.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.99657682
30.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 70.00% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


2.00827714
35.20% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 64.80% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


2.05153988
50.80% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 49.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


2.05454764
62.20% Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6) + 37.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


2.05696987
51.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 48.20% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


2.12027201
58.40% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 41.60% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


2.13705607
21.20% Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9) + 78.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


2.18775624
13.80% EN_LBK_culture_(n=43) + 86.20% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


2.21463232
69.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 30.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)





Distance to:
Mother_23andMe


1.13428546
52.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 47.60% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.26915769
31.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 68.40% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.30577609
64.40% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 35.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.37212134
48.00% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 52.00% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


1.39600338
37.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 62.20% Lombards_(n=28)


1.41828946
14.20% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 85.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.42788324
14.80% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 85.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.43590816
80.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 19.60% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)


1.45608551
81.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 19.00% Lombards_(n=28)


1.46770172
20.40% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 79.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.51115907
83.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 16.20% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)


1.55221993
44.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 55.20% Lombards_(n=28)


1.56463877
84.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 15.60% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


1.57234638
10.80% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 89.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.57702003
85.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 14.80% Iron_Age_Sweden_(n=4)


1.66384361
36.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 63.60% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)


1.66494324
40.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 60.00% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


1.69650773
82.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 17.40% Vikings_from_England_(n=28)


1.69674863
36.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 63.20% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)


1.72086038
37.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23) + 62.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.72857809
85.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 14.20% Iron_Age_Norway_(n=6)


1.76323006
81.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 18.20% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


1.76636728
85.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 14.80% Vikings_from_Russia_(n=15)


1.77175302
53.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 46.60% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)


1.78432064
81.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 18.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)





Distance to:
Uncle_FTDNA


2.10257680
89.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 10.80% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12)


2.16248059
89.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 10.60% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)


2.18041325
9.40% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 90.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.21231735
9.20% Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7) + 90.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.22020300
82.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 17.80% Avars_(n=2)


2.24420564
46.80% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14) + 53.20% Avars_(n=2)


2.26102532
88.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 12.00% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


2.27613236
9.80% Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 90.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.38074554
10.20% Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4) + 89.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.42696102
86.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 13.60% Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)


2.51028718
33.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2) + 66.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


2.52852321
8.40% Late_Mesolithic_Comb_Ceramic_culture_(n=2) + 91.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.58225690
16.00% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 84.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23)


2.60876138
8.60% Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4) + 91.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.61565093
81.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23) + 18.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


2.62565964
82.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 18.00% Vikings_from_Ukraine_(n=4)


2.62897121
87.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 12.60% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


2.64067248
27.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 72.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


2.67815558
82.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 17.20% Vikings_from_Poland_(n=9)


2.68466467
9.80% Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4) + 90.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.69505548
11.00% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 89.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.74931552
48.00% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 52.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


2.75963635
28.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 71.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


2.76015167
51.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 48.60% Vikings_from_Poland_(n=9)


2.81314518
29.00% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 71.00% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)





Distance to:
In-law_23andMe


1.01210221
47.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 53.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)


2.22538734
38.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 61.20% Lombards_(n=28)


2.27872520
63.60% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 36.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


2.35182804
37.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 62.20% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)


2.72274514
31.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 68.40% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


2.80155786
30.80% Chalcolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=4) + 69.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


2.85427586
8.20% Late_Mesolithic_Comb_Ceramic_culture_(n=2) + 91.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.85995317
30.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 69.80% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


2.87800188
43.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 56.80% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)


2.89917958
18.20% Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=8) + 81.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23)


2.90609420
8.60% Mesolithic_Volga-Ural_(n=2) + 91.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.93776574
8.40% Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4) + 91.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.04070580
36.80% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2) + 63.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


3.11361558
30.00% Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=8) + 70.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


3.14402052
18.80% Chalcolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=4) + 81.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23)


3.16907365
83.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 16.60% Avars_(n=2)


3.21042754
90.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 10.00% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12)


3.23637689
8.40% Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7) + 91.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.28575052
41.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 58.80% Vikings_from_England_(n=28)


3.29612824
54.40% EMBA_Greece_(n=6) + 45.60% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)


3.29871889
90.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 9.80% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)


3.31187511
8.80% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3) + 91.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.34586843
8.60% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 91.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.34645946
89.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 11.00% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


3.41042752
54.60% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 45.40% EMBA_Greece_(n=6)

torzio
22-06-21, 06:30
By itself, I get a far distance from EBA Serbia, but combined with Italian-Greeks, I get a pretty decent fit:




Distance to:
Jovialis


3.44568488
24.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23) + 76.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)





Perhaps something partly owed to the legacy of Iapygians and Colonial Greeks?

https://i.imgur.com/x610RqK.png


i do not understand your comment

Iapgians come from next to Liburnia

The region was known to the Greeks of the 5th century BC as Iapygía (Ἰαπυγία), and its inhabitants as the Iápyges (Ἰάπυγες). It was probably the term used by the indigenous peoples to designate themselves.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapygians#cite_note-FOOTNOTESmall201418-1) The name Iapyges has also been compared to that of the Iapydes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapydes), an Illyrian tribe of northern Dalmatia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatia_(Roman_province)).[2]

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapygians#cite_note-FOOTNOTEPallottino199250-2)they come from ...see map below (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapygians#cite_note-FOOTNOTEPallottino199250-2)

https://i.postimg.cc/FKng998d/libur-and-iapode.png (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapygians#cite_note-FOOTNOTEPallottino199250-2)

I do not recall any greeks in the adriatic until 700BC
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapygians#cite_note-FOOTNOTEPallottino199250-2)

The EBA serbians seems to be mostly a Thracian/Paeonian/Macedonian mix ............could also be some dardanian

torzio
22-06-21, 06:41
or is it part of this findiing

Balkan Celtic warrior burial excavated at Ajmana, near Kladovo / Кладово in the Bor district of eastern Serbia. Grave goods in the (cremation) burial, which dates to the 1st century BC, included metal and ceramic vessels, knives, spears, and a ‘sacrificial’ curved dagger (Sica).


https://www.academia.edu/24234744/THE_BALKAN_CELTIC_MACHAIRA


The use of curved single-edged swords –μαχαιρα/machaira* (and variants thereof) –

developed during the Bronze Age in south-eastern Europe, with both the Iapodic and Liburian groups on the eastern Adriatic coast using variants of the machaira during this period

(Batović 1983:314; Dreschler-Bižić 1983:383-384).

Jovialis
22-06-21, 14:35
I was using it more as a proxy for them, but it slipped my mind that there was already a cohort of Bronze Age Illyrians.



Distance to:
Jovialis


3.47658786
63.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 36.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians




Which also gives me a pretty decent fit.

https://i.imgur.com/UOg6Poal.png

https://i.imgur.com/zEXT2Pkl.png

Jovialis
22-06-21, 14:57
Here is another experiment, Latin_(n=4) as a cohort doesn't really work so well, but if I take the C7 samples individually, and compare them to the Italian_Greek_(n=2), my best fit is the R1 Proto-Villanovan, plus Italian_Greeks:



Distance to:
Jovialis


2.93579138
61.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 38.20% C7_Iron_Age_European:R1_(Protovillanovan)_Martinsi curo


3.16515237
68.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 31.80% C7_Iron_Age_European:R474_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia


3.47658786
63.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 36.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


4.25373878
77.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 22.20% C7_Iron_Age_European:R435_(Latin_Prenestini_Tribe) _Palestrina_Colombella


5.44255372
76.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 23.80% C7_Iron_Age_European:R1021_(Latini)_Boville_Ernica


5.71478408
75.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 24.60% C7_Iron_Age_European:R1016_(Latini)_Castel_di_Deci ma


5.89119191
75.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 24.20% C7_Iron_Age_European:R1015_(Villanovan)_Veio_Grott a_Gramiccia


5.90933467
76.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 23.60% C7_Iron_Age_European:R473_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia


22.66355163
14.40% C7_Iron_Age_European:R1015_(Villanovan)_Veio_Grott a_Gramiccia + 85.60% C7_Iron_Age_European:R1016_(Latini)_Castel_di_Deci ma


23.58053909
15.00% C7_Iron_Age_European:R1021_(Latini)_Boville_Ernica + 85.00% C7_Iron_Age_European:R473_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia





Distance to:
Jovialis


3.47658786
63.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 36.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


5.12627195
23.60% Latins_(n=4) + 76.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)

torzio
22-06-21, 18:09
I was using it more as a proxy for them, but it slipped my mind that there was already a cohort of Bronze Age Illyrians.



Distance to:
Jovialis


3.47658786
63.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 36.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians



Which also gives me a pretty decent fit.

https://i.imgur.com/UOg6Poal.png

https://i.imgur.com/zEXT2Pkl.png

ok

I thought the MOK samples where Celts from the scordisci tribes in modern Serbia

AlfonsoVIII
27-06-21, 12:17
Last time I apparently miscopied my coordinates from Dodecad K12b (I had 3.83 in Gedrosian and I copied 38.3), so here are my corrected and historical phased results.

My Epipaleolithic to Chalcolithic results:

3.75231455 45.40% Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9) + 54.60% Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)
3.78252561 50.00% Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9) + 50.00% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)
3.78693548 37.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 62.80% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
3.80000320 40.40% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14) + 59.60% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
3.85257730 59.60% LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8) + 40.40% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17)
3.96628802 59.20% Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9) + 40.80% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)
3.97770669 56.60% LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8) + 43.40% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)
4.05356271 61.00% Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8) + 39.00% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)
4.06488882 57.20% Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10) + 42.80% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17)
4.09453770 47.40% LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8) + 52.60% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)
4.09568310 63.40% LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8) + 36.60% Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=14)
4.13205650 47.40% Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8) + 52.60% Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)
4.18618547 43.00% LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8) + 57.00% Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)
4.20110927 63.80% Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8) + 36.20% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17)
4.20816157 61.20% Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10) + 38.80% Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=14)
4.23479412 51.80% Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8) + 48.20% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)
4.25048219 41.60% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14) + 58.40% Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)
4.29481458 44.60% EN_LBK_culture_(n=43) + 55.40% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)
4.30970617 59.20% Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10) + 40.80% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17)
4.31410843 51.60% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14) + 48.40% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)
4.33162185 57.80% Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9) + 42.20% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)
4.37803375 28.00% Mesolithic_Volga-Ural_(n=2) + 72.00% Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10)
4.38010901 69.00% Mesolithic_Anatolia_(AHG)_(n=1) + 31.00% Mesolithic_Volga-Ural_(n=2)
4.39862655 67.40% Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8) + 32.60% Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=14)
4.42069871 69.40% Mesolithic_Anatolia_(AHG)_(n=1) + 30.60% Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4)

My Bronze Age results:

3.69892678 34.40% EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18) + 65.60% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
3.70903210 33.00% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4) + 67.00% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
3.77971645 69.40% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 30.60% MBA_Andronovo_culture_(n=3)
3.80373316 36.60% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 63.40% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
4.19167329 41.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 58.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)
4.28979727 40.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28) + 59.80% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
4.51133174 68.00% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 32.00% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)
4.67567160 51.80% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 48.20% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
4.73441834 24.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7) + 75.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
4.77972240 58.00% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 42.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24)
4.85860790 22.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_Portugal_(n=4) + 77.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
4.94735275 76.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 24.00% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
4.96400229 77.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 23.00% Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)
4.98968584 23.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38) + 76.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
5.20105005 76.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 23.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=24)
5.25318280 62.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23) + 37.80% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
5.32022138 45.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 54.80% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
5.36969223 75.20% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 24.80% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)
5.39224327 75.00% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 25.00% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12)
5.39920427 81.20% Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9) + 18.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=7)
5.50265755 36.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 63.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
5.54669033 64.00% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 36.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)
5.56511060 48.00% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 52.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)
5.69848076 78.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 21.80% Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9)
5.74146372 42.80% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 57.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)

My Iron Age to Early Antiquity results:

1.71392514 86.40% Etruscans_(n=3) + 13.60% Iron_Age_Norway_(n=6)
1.81951873 84.60% Etruscans_(n=3) + 15.40% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
1.90847586 85.80% Etruscans_(n=3) + 14.20% Iron_Age_Sweden_(n=4)
1.92531244 81.80% Etruscans_(n=3) + 18.20% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)
2.13076843 73.40% Etruscans_(n=3) + 26.60% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
2.34414011 90.80% Etruscans_(n=3) + 9.20% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)
2.46325540 79.80% Etruscans_(n=3) + 20.20% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
2.90527643 89.60% Etruscans_(n=3) + 10.40% Iron_Age_Finland_(n=3)
3.76144059 88.80% Etruscans_(n=3) + 11.20% Cimmerians_(n=6)
3.76945599 90.40% Etruscans_(n=3) + 9.60% Sarmatians_(n=14)
3.85399203 83.00% Etruscans_(n=3) + 17.00% Western_Scythians_(n=28)
4.39026481 92.00% Etruscans_(n=3) + 8.00% Tian_Shan_Saka_(n=5)
4.57913978 81.60% Villanovans_(n=2) + 18.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
4.58630338 88.40% Villanovans_(n=2) + 11.60% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)
4.58961455 91.00% Villanovans_(n=2) + 9.00% Iron_Age_Sweden_(n=4)
4.64205221 90.40% Villanovans_(n=2) + 9.60% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
4.75445056 47.00% Etruscans_(n=3) + 53.00% Villanovans_(n=2)
4.75587380 93.20% Etruscans_(n=3) + 6.80% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)
4.85453695 92.60% Villanovans_(n=2) + 7.40% Iron_Age_Norway_(n=6)
4.96130441 88.60% Villanovans_(n=2) + 11.40% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
5.01729475 94.60% Villanovans_(n=2) + 5.40% Iron_Age_Finland_(n=3)
5.12472682 95.80% Villanovans_(n=2) + 4.20% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)
5.16186623 95.00% Villanovans_(n=2) + 5.00% Sarmatians_(n=14)
5.17190770 94.20% Villanovans_(n=2) + 5.80% Cimmerians_(n=6)
5.21852009 95.60% Villanovans_(n=2) + 4.40% Tian_Shan_Saka_(n=5)

My Late Antiquity and Middle Ages results:

2.25949731 24.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 75.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
2.46688564 21.20% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24) + 78.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
2.69018825 18.00% Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5) + 82.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
2.82288635 16.60% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7) + 83.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
2.91330331 26.80% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16) + 73.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
3.62051025 18.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16) + 81.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
3.72648992 14.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 85.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
3.83711855 93.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9) + 6.40% Caucasian_Alans_(n=2)
3.93436407 61.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 39.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
3.96211963 10.00% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24) + 90.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
3.96588529 12.80% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24) + 87.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
4.07582860 7.00% Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5) + 93.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
4.13102400 5.60% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7) + 94.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
4.15489306 97.60% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 2.40% Caucasian_Alans_(n=2)
4.18018092 97.60% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 2.40% Avars_(n=2)
4.18940121 98.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 1.80% Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)
4.20506723 97.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 2.20% Vikings_from_Ukraine_(n=4)
4.20862962 97.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 2.20% Vikings_from_Poland_(n=9)
4.21148072 96.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 3.60% Ostrogoths_(n=3)
4.23427556 97.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 2.20% Lombards_(n=28)
4.23640703 97.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 2.20% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
4.24923215 98.60% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 1.40% Vikings_from_Russia_(n=15)
4.25038665 98.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 1.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
4.25605911 98.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 1.20% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
4.25612965 99.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 0.80% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)

Jovialis
23-07-21, 19:02
Here is the original Dodecad K12b spreadsheet with their sources and sample size included. Taken from the dodecad project website:

http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2012/01/k12b-and-k7b-calculators.html


Abhkasians_Y:Yunusbayev_(n=14),17.2,0.9,0,0.6,0,11 .1,0,0,0,0.2,70,0
Adygei:HGDP_(n=16),17.2,2.4,0,0.3,1.9,20.2,0.2,0,0 ,1.3,56.6,0
Algerian_D:Dodecad_(n=5),0.8,0,34.7,0,21.4,1.4,0.5 ,6,16,0,11.6,7.5
Altai:Rasmussen_(n=11),9.4,41.3,0,0.3,2.5,11.2,0.4 ,0,0,33.1,1.8,0
Andalucia_1KG:1000Genomes_(n=4),7.2,0,5.1,0,52.6,1 8.1,0,0.6,3.2,0.1,12.9,0.3
Aragon_1KG:1000Genomes_(n=6),6.3,0.1,3.4,0,56.1,21 .8,0.4,0,3,0,8.8,0
Argyll_1KG:1000Genomes_(n=4),13.1,0,0,0,41.2,45.2, 0,0,0,0,0.5,0
Armenian_D:Dodecad_(n=32),16.8,0,0,0,10.3,3,0,0,14 ,0,55.8,0
Armenians:Behar_(n=18),15.8,0,0,0,9.8,4.5,0.2,0,9. 9,0,59.8,0
Armenians_15_Y:Yunusbayev_(n=13),18,0,0,0,8.8,3.4, 0.4,0,13.7,0,55.7,0
Ashkenazi_D:Dodecad_(n=19),2.1,0.5,4.7,0,25.9,13,0 .9,0.2,13.9,0.5,38.3,0
Ashkenazy_Jews:Behar_(n=17),2.8,0.6,4.2,0,25.1,13. 2,1.3,0.4,12.8,0.5,39,0
Assyrian_D:Dodecad_(n=13),18.3,0,0,0,9.6,0.9,0.1,0 ,18.9,0,52.2,0
ASUR_Ch:Chaubey_(n=2),6.1,0.3,0,17.5,0.4,0,75.7,0, 0,0,0,0
ASW30:HapMap3_(n=24),0.9,0.2,0.8,0,6.2,6,0.2,1.7,0 ,0,0.3,83.6
Azerbaijan_Jews:Behar_(n=8),18.7,0.3,0.4,0.2,9.1,0 .8,0.6,0,17.8,0,52.1,0
Baleares_1KG:1000Genomes_(n=6),5.5,0,3.7,0,49.4,22 .5,0.2,0,4.4,0,14.2,0.1
Balkars_Y:Yunusbayev_(n=17),15.8,3.9,0,0.1,0.8,19. 4,0.1,0,0,3.3,56.6,0
Balochi:HGDP_(n=21),64.5,0.4,0.5,0.9,3.6,2.3,12.1, 0,10.3,0,5.5,0
Bantu_N.E.:HGDP_(n=9),0,0,0,0,0,0,0,22.6,0,0,0,77. 4
Bantu_S.E._Pedi:HGDP_(n=1),0,0,0,0,0,0,0,12.3,0,0, 0,87.7
Bantu_S.E._S.Sotho:HGDP_(n=1),0,0,0,0,0,0,0,10.2,0 ,0,0,89.8
Bantu_S.E._Tswana:HGDP_(n=2),0,0,0,0,0,0,0,12.5,0, 0,0,87.5
Bantu_S.E._Zulu:HGDP_(n=1),0,0,0,0,0,0,0,10.6,0,0, 0,89.4
Bantu_S.W._Herero:HGDP_(n=2),0,0,0,0,0,0,0,8.8,0,0 ,0,91.2
Bantu_S.W._Ovambo:HGDP_(n=1),0,0,0,0,0,0,0,6.4,0,0 ,0,93.6
Bedouin:HGDP_(n=33),5,0,4.9,0,8.2,0.4,0,5.3,43.3,0 ,30.8,2.1
Belorussian:Behar_(n=8),0,0.3,0,0,16.1,67.8,0.5,0, 1.9,0,13.3,0
Bengali_M:Metspalu_(n=1),31.9,1.7,0,5.4,0,5.4,53.7 ,0,0,0,1.9,0
Bhunjia_M:Metspalu_(n=1),0,1.8,0,20,0,0,78.2,0,0,0 ,0,0
Bnei_Menashe_Jews:Behar_(n=4),26.3,0,1.6,0,5.1,1.1 ,36.7,0,8.2,0.9,20,0.1
BONDA_Ch:Chaubey_(n=4),0,0,0,33.3,0,0,66.7,0,0,0,0 ,0
Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu_M:Metspalu_(n=2),38.5,0.8 ,0,0.6,1.5,4.6,48.7,0,0.9,0.9,3.4,0
Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_M:Metspalu_(n=8),36.1, 0.5,0,0,1.9,13.4,44.1,0,0,1,3,0
Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal_M:Metspalu_(n=1),27.4,4, 0,2.7,0,6,33.4,0,0,23,3.6,0
Brahui:HGDP_(n=23),69.5,0,0.4,1.2,4.5,0.8,11.6,0.1 ,11.4,0,0.5,0
British_D:Dodecad_(n=11),11.3,0,0,0,43.5,43.6,0,0, 0.3,0,1.3,0
British_Isles_D:Dodecad_(n=8),9.5,0,0,0,42.5,45.7, 0.1,0,0,0,2.2,0
Bulgarian_D:Dodecad_(n=7),3.3,0.3,0.5,0,23.7,34.8, 0.5,0,6.4,0.4,30.1,0
Bulgarians_Y:Yunusbayev_(n=10),1.5,0.9,0.3,0,25,34 .9,0.3,0,5.7,0.6,30.7,0
Burmanese_Ch:Chaubey_(n=13),4.2,4.5,0,37.2,0,0,18. 7,0,0.1,35.3,0,0
Burusho:HGDP_(n=22),43.2,3.1,0,0.1,0,11.9,24.8,0,0 ,8.2,8.7,0
Buryat:Rasmussen_(n=11),3.3,49.1,0,0,1.5,2.9,0.5,0 ,0.4,40.9,1.5,0
C_Italian_D:Dodecad_(n=13),4.8,0,2.3,0,34.8,17.1,0 .1,0,8.7,0,32.1,0
Cambodians:HGDP_(n=10),0,1.8,0,82.2,0,0.6,15.2,0,0 ,0.1,0.1,0
Canarias_1KG:1000Genomes_(n=2),5,0.3,11.8,0.6,46.7 ,17.6,0.1,2.8,3.7,0,11.2,0.2
Cantabria_1KG:1000Genomes_(n=6),5.7,0.1,3.1,0,54.8 ,23.5,0.3,0.3,3,0,8.9,0.3
Castilla_La_Mancha_1KG:1000Genomes_(n=6),6.8,0.4,3 .5,0,54.3,21.1,0,0.6,4.5,0,8.8,0
Castilla_Y_Leon_1KG:1000Genomes_(n=12),5.4,0,6.1,0 ,51.2,22.3,0.4,0.6,4,0,10,0
Cataluna_1KG:1000Genomes_(n=8),7.3,0,2.4,0,52.1,25 .2,0.3,0,3.5,0,9.2,0
CDX30:1000Genomes_(n=30),0,0,0,81.4,0,0,0,0,0,18.6 ,0,0
CEU30:1000Genomes_(n=22),10.6,0,0,0,41.4,44.7,0,0, 0,0,3.3,0
Chamar_M:Metspalu_(n=10),24.8,0.2,0,0,0.4,1.7,71.2 ,0,0,1.7,0,0
CHB30:Metspalu_(n=20),0,1,0,31.6,0,0,0,0,0,67.4,0, 0
CHD30:Metspalu_(n=23),0,0,0,40.7,0,0,0,0,0,59.3,0, 0
Chechens_Y:Yunusbayev_(n=14),21.8,2.6,0,0.7,0,23,0 ,0,0,0.6,51.3,0
Chenchus_M:Metspalu_(n=4),25.2,0,0.4,0.7,0.1,0.3,6 7.1,0,0,5,1.3,0
Chinese_D:Dodecad_(n=8),0,0,0,29.8,0,0,0,0,0,70.2, 0,0
CHS30:SGVP_(n=27),0,0,0,50.3,0,0,0,0,0,49.7,0,0
Chuvashs:Behar_(n=15),4.5,20,0,0,6.7,52.7,1,0,0.7, 4.1,10.2,0
Cochin_Jews:Behar_(n=4),33.1,0.2,0.1,2.5,3.7,1.5,4 5.4,0,5.9,0.5,7,0
Cornwall_1KG:1000Genomes_(n=28),11.4,0,0,0,43.8,42 .8,0,0,0,0,2,0
Cypriots:Behar_(n=11),5.8,0,2.1,0,20.5,4.5,0,0,17. 7,0,49.3,0
Dai:HGDP_(n=8),0,0,0,83.3,0,0,0.2,0,0,16.5,0,0
Daur:HGDP_(n=9),0,29.2,0,4.6,0,0,0,0,0,65.9,0.3,0
Dharkars_M:Metspalu_(n=10),34.7,0.6,0,0.2,1.4,5.2, 56.7,0,0,0.7,0.4,0
Dhurwa_M:Metspalu_(n=1),0,0,0,21.9,0,0,78.1,0,0,0, 0,0
Dolgan:Rasmussen_(n=6),0,75.1,0,0.6,2.3,7.7,0.7,0, 0,11.2,2.4,0
Druze:HGDP_(n=32),8.9,0.1,2.9,0,12.5,0.9,0.7,1.1,2 3.1,0,49.5,0.2
Dusadh_M:Metspalu_(n=6),30.8,0,0,1,0.4,2.3,63.6,0, 0.1,1.8,0,0
Dutch_D:Dodecad_(n=8),9.9,0,0,0,39.1,45.6,0,0,0.6, 0,4.8,0
Egyptans:Behar_(n=12),2.7,0,10.9,0.3,9,0,0,12.2,29 .7,0,30.3,4.8
English_D:Dodecad_(n=10),10.6,0,0,0,41.5,44.5,0,0, 0.1,0,3.1,0
Ethiopian_Jews:Behar_(n=11),0,0,10.1,0,0,0,0,57.7, 27.1,0,5.1,0
Ethiopians:Behar_(n=17),0,0,10.2,0,0,0,0,55.4,28.5 ,0,5.1,0.8
Evenk:Rasmussen_(n=12),0,83.9,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,16.1,0 ,0
Extremadura_1KG:1000Genomes_(n=8),6.9,0,6,0,48.2,2 2.1,0.3,1,4.3,0,10.7,0.4
FIN30:1000Genomes_(n=24),0.9,7.2,0,0.1,14.1,73.5,0 .7,0,2.2,0,1.3,0
Finnish_D:Dodecad_(n=14),0.3,6.7,0,0,13.4,75.5,0.2 ,0,2.6,0,1.3,0
French:HGDP_(n=27),7.9,0,0.2,0,44.4,36.5,0,0,2.5,0 ,8.4,0
French_Basque:HGDP_(n=21),9.8,0,0,0,73.1,17.1,0,0, 0,0,0,0
French_D:Dodecad_(n=13),8.1,0,0.6,0,43.9,36.9,0.1, 0,2.7,0,7.9,0
Gadaba_Ch:Chaubey_(n=1),0,0,0,31,0,0,69,0,0,0,0,0
Galicia_1KG:1000Genomes_(n=8),5.1,0,5,0,48.3,23.4, 0.7,0.9,5.4,0,11.1,0.2
Garo_Ch:Chaubey_(n=4),0,4.7,0,36.2,0,0,20.8,0,0,38 .1,0.2,0
Georgia_Jews:Behar_(n=4),16.9,0,0.7,0.4,7.4,3.6,0, 0,18.8,0,52.1,0
Georgians:Behar_(n=16),16.9,0.1,0,0,0,9,0,0,0,0,73 .9,0
German_D:Dodecad_(n=18),7.3,0,0,0,33,48.2,0,0,1.7, 0,9.8,0
GIH30:Dodecad_(n=25),39.3,0,0,0,0,3.1,54.7,0,0.4,0 .5,1.9,0
Gond_M:Metspalu_(n=4),16.1,0.6,0,9.7,0.1,1.3,71.9, 0,0,0.4,0,0
Greek_D:Dodecad_(n=15),3.3,0.3,0.6,0,28,20.2,0.1,0 ,10.1,0,37.4,0
Hakkipikki_M:Metspalu_(n=4),21.6,0.1,0,0.8,0.1,0.1 ,73.9,0,1.1,1.9,0.3,0
Han:HGDP_(n=29),0,0,0,44.8,0,0,0,0,0,55.2,0,0
Hazara:HGDP_(n=16),20.5,17.3,0,2.5,2.6,9.2,6.5,0,2 .3,29.5,9.5,0
Hezhen:HGDP_(n=7),0,24.2,0,8.7,0,0,0,0,0,67.1,0,0
Ho_Ch:Chaubey_(n=5),0,0.9,0,24.6,0,0,74.5,0,0,0,0, 0
Hungarians:Behar_(n=19),4.1,0.7,0,0,27,48.4,0.3,0, 3,0.3,16.2,0
Indian_D:Dodecad_(n=25),39.3,0.3,0,0,1.1,4.8,49.3, 0,0.7,1.4,3,0
INS30:SGVP_(n=22),36.9,0.3,0,0.3,0,3.3,56,0,1,1,1. 2,0
Iranian_D:Dodecad_(n=8),28.8,2.1,0,0.6,5.6,6,3.6,0 .1,12.4,0.5,40.3,0
Iranian_Jews:Behar_(n=4),18.8,0.4,1.8,0.4,6.8,0,0, 0,22.5,0,49.3,0
Iranians:Behar_(n=19),30.9,1,0.9,0.3,5.9,4.2,4.2,0 .9,14.2,0.3,36.7,0.5
Iraq_Jews:Behar_(n=10),16.8,0,1.6,0.1,8.9,0,0.1,0, 24.7,0,47.8,0
Irish_D:Dodecad_(n=14),11.9,0,0,0,42.7,45.1,0,0,0, 0,0.2,0
Iyengar_D:Dodecad_(n=5),38.7,1,0,0,0,6.4,52,0,1.2, 0,0.7,0
Iyer_D:Dodecad_(n=6),39.3,0,0,0,2.9,4.5,50.4,0,1.3 ,1.1,0.6,0
Japanese:HGDP_(n=24),0,0,0,0.3,0,0,0,0,0,99.7,0,0
Japanese_D:Dodecad_(n=5),0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,100,0,0
Jatt_D:Dodecad_(n=5),45.6,0.7,0,0.2,3.1,14.4,30.1, 0,0.8,0,5,0
Jordanians:Behar_(n=20),9.6,0,5.5,0,10.8,0.9,0.2,4 .9,27.9,0.1,38,2.1
JPT30:Behar_(n=28),0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,100,0,0
Juang_Ch:Chaubey_(n=2),0,0.1,0,33,0,0,66.9,0,0,0,0 ,0
Kanjars_M:Metspalu_(n=7),34.5,0,0,0.1,0,6.2,57.6,0 ,0,1.6,0,0
Kent_1KG:1000Genomes_(n=36),10.5,0,0,0,41.9,43.9,0 ,0,0.2,0,3.6,0
Ket:Rasmussen_(n=2),5.9,66.1,0,1.1,0,23.6,0.3,0,0, 3,0,0
Kharia_Ch:Chaubey_(n=2),0.3,0.1,0,27.2,0,0.3,72.1, 0,0,0,0,0
Khasi_Ch:Chaubey_(n=3),4.6,4.2,0,37.2,0,2.6,32.5,0 ,0,18.8,0,0
KHV30:1000Genomes_(n=22),0,0,0,73.5,0,0,2.3,0,0,24 .2,0,0
Kol_M:Metspalu_(n=15),28.8,0.1,0,0.6,0,2.6,66.8,0, 0,0.9,0.2,0
Korean_D:Dodecad_(n=6),0,2.6,0,10.7,0,0,0,0,0,86.7 ,0,0
Kshatriya_M:Metspalu_(n=7),37.6,1.1,0,0.4,1.4,9.4, 47.9,0,0,0,2.2,0
Kumyks_Y:Yunusbayev_(n=13),20,3.9,0,0.5,3.1,18.8,0 .4,0,3.3,3.7,46.3,0
Kurd_D:Dodecad_(n=9),28.7,1.5,0.9,0.4,5.9,5.7,1.1, 0.4,14,1,40.4,0
Kurds_Y:Yunusbayev_(n=6),28.2,0.6,0,0.6,6.3,6.7,0. 8,0.1,14.3,0.2,42.2,0
Kurmi_M:Metspalu_(n=1),34.1,0,0,0,0,4.2,56.2,0,0,2 .4,3.1,0
Kurumba_M:Metspalu_(n=4),33.2,0.4,0,0.1,0,0,64.1,0 ,0.5,0.6,1.1,0
Lahu:HGDP_(n=7),0,2.9,0,74.5,0,0,2.9,0,0,19.7,0,0
Lambadi_M:Metspalu_(n=1),32.1,0,0,3.3,0,4.7,54.3,0 ,0,0.6,4.9,0
Lebanese:Behar_(n=7),10.8,0.2,4.7,0.6,11.8,3.7,0,2 .4,23.5,0,41.3,1
Lezgins:Behar_(n=16),27.8,1.7,0,0,0.3,23.8,0,0,0.8 ,0,45.6,0
Lithuanian_D:Dodecad_(n=9),0,0,0,0,13.9,73.7,0.7,0 ,1.6,0,10.1,0
Lithuanians:Behar_(n=9),0,0,0,0,13.7,77.1,0.1,0,1, 0,8,0
LWK30:Behar_(n=22),0,0,0,0,0,0,0,24.3,0,0,0,75.7
Makrani:HGDP_(n=22),61.2,0.2,0.7,0.5,3.3,1,10.4,1, 11.3,0,6.8,3.7
MALAYAN:Behar_(n=2),9.4,1.6,0,3.9,0.2,0.7,80.9,0.3 ,0.3,2.1,0.7,0
Mandenka:HGDP_(n=18),0,0,2.7,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,97.3
MAS30:SGVP_(n=24),0.1,2,0,81.2,0,0.3,13.7,0,0,2.2, 0.6,0
Mawasi_Ch:Chaubey_(n=1),1.8,0.8,0,21.8,0,0.3,73.9, 0,0,0,1.4,0
Meena_M:Metspalu_(n=1),43.4,0.6,0,0.9,2.9,6.9,43.5 ,0,0.6,0,1.2,0
Meghawal_M:Metspalu_(n=1),36,1.3,0.9,0.2,1,2.8,55. 6,0,0.7,0,1.5,0
Miaozu:HGDP_(n=8),0,0,0,50.5,0,0,0,0,0,49.5,0,0
Mixed_Germanic_D:Dodecad_(n=7),10.7,0,0,0,38.4,44. 1,0,0,0.5,0,6.3,0
Mixed_Slav_D:Dodecad_(n=12),0.9,1.5,0,0.1,16.6,64. 4,0.7,0,2.2,0.4,13.3,0
MKK30:Dodecad_(n=23),0,0,3.7,0,0,0,0,62.9,6.1,0,0, 27.3
Mongol:Rasmussen_(n=8),5.9,36.1,0,0.5,3.1,5.5,0.5, 0,0,44.6,3.8,0
Mongola:HGDP_(n=10),1.9,16,0,13.9,0.1,1.8,0,0,0,65 .2,1.1,0
Mordovians_Y:Yunusbayev_(n=13),4,5.9,0,0.7,10.9,63 .8,0.9,0,0.6,0.9,12.3,0
Moroccan_D:Dodecad_(n=5),0,0,44.4,0,23.8,1,0.3,5.7 ,13.4,0,6.7,4.6
Moroccans:Behar_(n=10),0,0,44.7,0,19.5,0,0.1,6.5,1 5.3,0,5.7,8.3
Morocco_Jews:Behar_(n=15),5.4,0,9.5,0,27.3,4.3,0.5 ,1.1,17,0,34,0.8
Mozabite:HGDP_(n=28),0,0,98.5,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.5
Murcia_1KG:1000Genomes_(n=8),5.5,0,6,0,50.6,19.6,0 ,0.2,5.9,0.6,11.2,0.4
Muslim_M:Metspalu_(n=5),33.7,0,0,0,0,5.6,57.2,0,0, 2.5,1,0
N_Italian_D:Dodecad_(n=5),5.7,0,0.9,0,41.2,23.7,0. 2,0,5.6,0,22.8,0
Naga_M:Metspalu_(n=4),0,5.7,0,17.8,0,0,3.6,0,0,72. 8,0,0
Naxi:HGDP_(n=7),0,4.8,0,28.1,0,0,2.9,0,0,64.2,0,0
Nganassan:Rasmussen_(n=10),0,100,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0
Nihali_M:Metspalu_(n=2),10.4,2,0,10.2,1.2,0.4,75.6 ,0,0,0.3,0,0
Nogais_Y:Yunusbayev_(n=14),12.9,11.4,0,0.5,4.5,21. 3,0.7,0,0.1,11.5,37.3,0
North_Italian:HGDP_(n=11),4.5,0,0.7,0,44,22,0,0,5. 8,0,22.9,0
North_Kannadi:Behar_(n=7),20.1,0.5,0,0,0,0.2,76.2, 0,0,0.9,2,0
North_Ossetians_Y:Yunusbayev_(n=12),16.5,3.9,0,0.2 ,0,19.2,0,0,0,3.5,56.7,0
Norwegian_D:Dodecad_(n=10),8.2,1,0,0,36,54.7,0,0,0 ,0,0.1,0
O_Italian_D:Dodecad_(n=5),6.2,0,1.1,0,33.5,21.8,0, 0.2,7.8,0,28.5,0.8
Orcadian:HGDP_(n=13),12,0,0,0,42.4,45.6,0,0,0,0,0, 0
Orkney_1KG:1000Genomes_(n=21),11.8,0,0,0,41.8,46.4 ,0,0,0,0,0,0
Oroqen:HGDP_(n=8),0,44.2,0,3.5,0,0,0,0,0,52.3,0,0
Pais_Vasco_1KG:1000Genomes_(n=7),9.1,0,0,0,67.3,22 .4,0,0,1.2,0,0,0
Palestinian:HGDP_(n=31),6.8,0,5.4,0.1,10.9,0.3,0.6 ,5.2,30.4,0,38.2,2
PANIYA:Behar_(n=4),0,2.7,0,62.4,0,0.2,23.8,0.5,0,8 .8,0,1.6
Pathan:HGDP_(n=22),44.5,2,0,0.2,1.1,13.2,23.6,0,2. 6,0.5,12.4,0
Piramalai_Kallars_M:Metspalu_(n=8),31.3,0,0,0,0,0, 66.6,0,0.7,1.1,0.3,0
Polish_D:Dodecad_(n=18),0.5,0.1,0,0,20.9,63.3,0.9, 0,2.3,0,12.1,0
Portuguese_D:Dodecad_(n=9),6,0,7.7,0,47.5,22.3,0.9 ,0.1,5,0,9.7,0.7
Pulliyar_M:Metspalu_(n=4),0.5,1.3,0,0.9,0,0,86.8,0 ,0,2.8,7.8,0
Romanians:Behar_(n=16),3,0.3,0,0,24.6,36,1.5,0,5.9 ,0.3,28.4,0
Russian:HGDP_(n=20),2,7.3,0,0.1,12.1,65.4,1.1,0,2, 0.8,9.2,0
Russian_B:Behar_(n=2),0.2,2.7,0.1,0.4,13.1,66.5,0. 8,0,0.6,1.2,14.3,0
Russian_D:Dodecad_(n=17),1.8,3,0,0,14.1,66.4,0.4,0 ,1.4,1.1,11.7,0
S_Italian_Sicilian_D:Dodecad_(n=10),5.5,0.1,2.5,0, 29.9,11.8,0.5,0.7,12.5,0,36.5,0
SAKILLI:Behar_(n=4),26.2,0,0,1.2,0,0,71.2,0,0.4,1, 0,0
Samaritians:Behar_(n=2),3.7,0.1,4.5,0.1,10.6,0,0,0 .2,32.1,0,48.8,0
Sandawe_He:Henn_(n=19),0.1,0,0,0,1,0,0,67.7,0.5,0, 1.7,29
Santhal_Ch:Chaubey_(n=1),3.1,0,0,16.6,0,0,78.3,0,0 ,2.1,0,0
Sardinian:HGDP_(n=24),0,0,2.6,0,70.5,0,0.1,0,5.8,0 ,20.9,0
Saudis:Behar_(n=20),3.6,0,1.4,0,2.6,0.9,0.3,2.6,67 .7,0,20.5,0.3
Savara_Ch:Chaubey_(n=2),0,1.3,0,25.5,0,0,73.2,0,0, 0,0,0
Selkup:Rasmussen_(n=9),6.9,62.8,0,0.9,0,27.6,0.1,0 ,0,1.7,0,0
Sephardic_Jews:Behar_(n=19),5.7,0.2,6.2,0,26.5,6.1 ,0.4,0.7,16.2,0,38.1,0
She:HGDP_(n=9),0,0,0,48.4,0,0,0,0,0,51.6,0,0
Sicilian_D:Dodecad_(n=15),4.5,0,4.1,0,30,11.9,0.1, 0.7,11.9,0,36.5,0.2
Sindhi:HGDP_(n=22),50.9,0.3,0,0,2.5,6,31.4,0,3.4,0 .7,4.8,0
Somali_D:Dodecad_(n=8),0,0,9.8,0,0,0,0,69.9,20.3,0 ,0,0
Spaniards:Behar_(n=10),6.5,0,3,0,53,23,0,0,3.6,0,1 0.8,0.1
Spanish_D:Dodecad_(n=20),6.2,0,5.1,0,52.5,22.7,0.2 ,0,4,0,8.8,0.4
Swedish_D:Dodecad_(n=11),7.7,0.6,0,0,32.9,56.8,0,0 ,0.8,0,1.2,0
Syrians:Behar_(n=15),11.4,0.2,1.5,0,11.6,2.7,1.3,2 .9,27.9,0,38.6,1.8
Tajiks_Y:Yunusbayev_(n=15),33.9,6.4,0,0.9,4.2,18.6 ,7.3,0,3.1,7.7,18,0
Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste_M:Metspalu_(n=2),33.3,0 ,0,1.4,0,0,61.6,0,2,0.2,1.4,0
Tharus_M:Metspalu_(n=2),32.2,0.3,0,1.6,0.4,5,56.3, 0,0,1,3.3,0
TSI30:Metspalu_(n=21),5,0,0.8,0,38.7,19.3,0.1,0,7. 3,0,28.6,0
Tu:HGDP_(n=8),3,8.1,0,17.6,0.4,1.1,1.9,0,0,66.4,1. 4,0
Tujia:HGDP_(n=10),0,0,0,41.8,0,0,0,0,0,58.2,0,0
Turkish_D:Dodecad_(n=27),13.4,3.1,0,0,13.2,9.6,1,0 ,10.3,3,46.4,0
Turkmens_Y:Yunusbayev_(n=11),28,6.6,0,1.7,4.7,10.3 ,5.4,0,6.8,7.7,28.7,0
Turks:Behar_(n=19),15.5,3.6,0.4,0,10.5,9,0.9,0,10. 8,3.1,46.3,0
Tuscan:HGDP_(n=7),4.8,0,0,0,37.9,18.7,0.5,0,7.2,0. 5,30.5,0
Tuva:Rasmussen_(n=13),4.4,51.3,0,0.5,0.5,6.7,0.1,0 ,0,34.7,1.7,0
Ukranians_Y:Yunusbayev_(n=18),0.3,0.8,0,0,16.3,62. 1,0.9,0,3,0.2,16.4,0
Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste_M:Metspalu_(n=4),31. 9,0,0,0.5,0.4,3.2,62.5,0,0,1.5,0,0
Uygur:HGDP_(n=10),17.1,13.3,0,4.8,1.3,13.7,4.9,0,1 .6,31.7,11.6,0
Uzbekistan_Jews:Behar_(n=2),20.3,0.6,0.9,0.6,7.7,4 .4,1.3,0.3,18.5,0,45.4,0
Uzbeks:Behar_(n=15),17.5,16.8,0,0.8,3.4,16,5,0,2.3 ,23.3,15,0
Valencia_1KG:1000Genomes_(n=10),6.8,0,3,0,55.4,22. 2,0,0,2.4,0,9.9,0.2
Velamas_M:Metspalu_(n=8),38.2,0,0,0.3,0,0,58.7,0,0 .5,0.7,1.6,0
Xibo:HGDP_(n=8),0.8,17.7,0,11,0.2,0.5,0,0,0.1,68.6 ,1,0
Yakut:HGDP_(n=21),1,76.7,0,0.9,1,0,0.1,0,0,19.8,0. 5,0
Yemen_Jews:Behar_(n=14),0.2,0,3.1,0,4.2,0,0,4.7,53 .8,0,33.9,0
Yemenese:Behar_(n=8),5.9,0.7,3.3,0.5,3.7,1.1,2.4,9 .4,36.6,0,27.7,8.8
Yizu:HGDP_(n=9),0,4.3,0,28.2,0,0,3,0,0,64.4,0,0
Yoruba:HGDP_(n=20),0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,100
YRI30:HGDP_(n=21),0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,100
Yukagir:Rasmussen_(n=5),0,79.6,0,0,2.6,1.5,0,0,0,1 6.4,0,0