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Maciamo
10-03-21, 11:43
I have spent most of the last week calculating the the average values for the K12b admixtures for most of the ancient genomes tested to date. I thank Jovialis for providing me the genomes converted in the right format to run the K12b on Admixture-Studio. You will find the table in the page Genomic analysis of ancient Europeans (https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/genomic_analysis_ancient_europeans.shtml). I provided an introduction on how to interpret the K12b admixtures.

The purpose of this page is to provide average values for various ancient European populations, which can be used by anyone who has tested their genome (https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/which_ancestry_dna_test_to_choose.shtml) to compare their own admixture (https://www.eupedia.com/europe/dna_project_faq.shtml#autosomal_admixtures) with these modals on Vahaduo (https://bit.ly/Vahaduo). Averages for a given (historical or modern) population are more useful and representative than individual results due to the potentially high level of interpersonal variations in a society.

This is a good alternative to MyTrueAncestry. In fact, I have found the K12b admixtures to be considerably more reliable than the genetic distance computed by MyTrueAncestry. For example when comparing the Corded Ware genomes (https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/corded_ware_culture.shtml) with modern population, K12b gives Poles, Russians and Belarussians as the closest matches to the western Corded Ware (Germany) and Finns, Karelians and Estonians for the eastern Corded Ware. In contrast, the closest matches on MyTrueAncestry were the British, Irish and Dutch for the western Corded Ware, which does not make much sense as it was an R1a-dominant culture and the Brits, Irish and Dutch are all R1b-dominant and descended from the Bell Beaker and Unetice.

I also found many inconsistencies in MyTrueAncestry for the results of Medieval Germanic tribes. The closest match to the 6th-century Ostrogoths were the Swedes and English. Yet the 6th-century Ostrogoths were already mixed with Huns and Balkans people. The K12b admixtures give a more probable match to modern Hungarians, Austrians, Slovenes and Croats.

So if you want reliable ancient matches, I would urge you to trust more Dodecad K12b than MyTrueAncestry.

Maciamo
10-03-21, 11:52
Here are the values to copy and paste in Vahaduo to compare with your own genome or modern populations. They are listed in chronological order so that you can easily select the period you are interested in. When comparing someone to multiple ancient populations, it does not make much sense to mix Mesolithic or Neolithic samples with Iron Age or Medieval ones, so it's better to split the data accordingly. You can find the coordinates by period on this page (https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/ancient_ethnicities_analyzer.shtml).

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Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6),0.00,0.34, 20.28,1.24,14.41,0.20,1.19,4.56,43.91,0.39,13.48,0 .00
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5),0.00 ,1.08,65.59,1.69,0.04,0.06,1.11,18.93,5.54,0.05,0. 00,5.90
Mesolithic_Anatolia_(AHG)_(n=1),0.00,0.00,3.77,0.1 1,57.42,0.42,0.00,0.00,11.78,0.00,26.51,0.00
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2),42. 18,0.57,0.00,0.00,0.00,4.35,0.28,0.00,0.00,0.00,50 .61,2.03
Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21),0.00,0.57,0 .00,0.74,30.90,65.73,0.38,0.08,0.00,0.02,0.00,1.57
Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43),0.01,0.37,0.02,0.35,2 4.46,72.81,0.08,0.02,0.09,0.07,0.03,1.71
Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31),0.25,2. 72,0.00,0.22,15.89,79.14,0.50,0.12,0.00,0.02,0.00, 1.13
Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7),0.92,4.54,0.00,0.62,9.05, 81.79,1.31,0.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.21
Mesolithic_Volga-Ural_(n=2),11.27,8.18,0.00,0.00,0.00,77.53,2.39,0. 00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.64
Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4),7.23,7.78,0.00,1 .37,1.40,81.04,0.09,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.09
Late_Mesolithic_Comb_Ceramic_culture_(n=2),7.07,7. 71,0.00,0.77,0.00,83.02,1.00,0.15,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .31
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15),0.48,0.09,9.68,0.1 0,23.86,1.59,0.00,1.98,30.73,0.94,30.53,0.00
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6),64.18,1.82,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.81,5.83,1.02,3.55,0.68,15.97,6.15
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14),0.00,0.07,3.47,0 .29,46.01,2.80,0.20,0.34,10.91,0.17,34.74,1.00
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20),0.03,0.14,3.39,0.4 4,37.92,0.15,0.00,0.61,15.91,0.18,40.32,0.92
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3),0.00,0.00,3.61,0.49,4 3.20,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.96,0.00,37.99,0.76
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8),0.00,0.09,2 .99,0.01,49.42,7.60,0.00,0.06,11.36,0.04,28.32,0.1 1
EN_Alfold_Linear_Pottery_culture_(n=20),0.00,0.00, 3.05,0.05,54.21,4.88,0.22,0.09,12.37,0.12,24.83,0. 18
EN_LBK_culture_(n=43),0.00,0.02,3.21,0.09,51.90,0. 72,0.00,0.12,14.11,0.07,29.64,0.13
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4),0.00,0.06,2.12,0.00,5 7.21,0.69,0.00,0.00,12.87,0.00,27.06,0.00
Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=10),0.00,0.32,4.62,0.13,6 9.67,0.81,0.01,0.05,9.59,0.15,14.08,0.58
Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10),0.00,0.00,3.77,0.01,5 4.90,1.68,0.00,0.05,11.33,0.05,28.23,0.01
Early_Neolithic_Maghreb_(n=1),0.00,0.00,19.30,0.00 ,48.09,0.17,0.00,1.77,20.93,0.00,9.74,0.00
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4),0,0.00,2.89,0.11,51.14,18 .29,1.31,0.34,7.10,0.00,19.58,0.00
Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12),0.11,3.03,0.00,0.75,11.68 ,81.52,1.26,0.00,0.00,0.32,0.00,1.34
Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4),0.00,0.40,0.00,0.40,13.65,7 5.89,0.35,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,9.33
Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4),0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,21.15,78.32,0.06,0.00,0.00,0.04,0.00,0.4 3
MN_Vinca_culture_(n=6),0.00,0.05,2.99,0.06,51.34,0 .98,0.14,0.14,18.20,0.00,25.77,0.31
LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8),0.00,0.06,3.98,0.00,51.67 ,3.60,0.00,0.02,11.19,0.00,29.36,0.11
LN_Tisza-Sopot_culture_(n=11),0.00,0.01,2.26,0.19,53.02,3.1 5,0.02,0.00,13.69,0.30,27.18,0.19
Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10),0.00,0.00,3.76,0.00 ,55.03,3.82,0.00,0.07,11.77,0.00,25.52,0.03
Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10),0.00,0.00,4.37,1. 35,67.53,2.79,0.00,0.13,7.55,0.12,16.03,0.12
Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19),0.00,0.06,4.04,0.24 ,62.41,9.46,0.05,0.13,8.41,0.04,15.02,0.15
Neolithic_Britain_(n=62),0.00,0.07,4.07,0.28,65.93 ,13.23,0.08,0.07,7.13,0.20,8.68,0.25
Middle_Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12),0.00,0.11,3.94, 0.29,67.66,9.90,0.28,0.03,7.06,0.29,10.09,0.35
Middle-Late_Neolithic_Portugal_(n=4),0.00,0.46,4.19,0.53, 68.23,11.53,0.02,0.46,6.58,0.40,6.92,0.70
Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58),0.52,0.13,4.08,0 .19,63.95,11.13,0.03,0.02,7.00,0.19,12.71,0.06
Megalithic_Europe_(n=24),0.00,0.02,3.77,0.25,62.37 ,13.97,0.05,0.43,7.32,0.37,10.86,0.59
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6),0.00,0.0 0,1.29,0.65,53.72,42.20,0.00,0.27,0.68,0.32,0.00,0 .86
Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3),26.10,5.95,0.00,0.15,0.00, 66.48,0.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.37,0.40
Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3),36.31,2.64,0.00,0 .00,0.00,48.76,2.57,0.00,0.00,0.00,8.54,1.18
Botai_culture_(n=3),20.42,27.26,0.00,2.16,0.00,43. 87,4.87,0.00,0.00,1.31,0.00,0.11
CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5),24.19,1.31,0.00,0.03,9 .45,62.36,0.32,0.07,0.00,0.04,1.93,0.28
Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3),23.32,0.00,0 .74,0.31,0.96,11.65,0.26,0.00,3.70,0.70,56.91,1.44
Chalcolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=4),17.37,0.00,2.29,0.71 ,12.06,0.70,0.74,0.62,16.84,0.41,47.98,0.27
Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35),8.77,0.05,1.54,0.16,1 7.49,0.97,0.36,0.13,17.88,0.12,52.11,0.41
Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6),0.00,0.00,3.09,0.1 2,26.99,0.00,0.11,0.00,22.78,0.26,46.53,0.13
Chalcolithic_Israel,0.00,0.00,5.47,0.28,18.98,0.00 ,0.01,1.07,36.61,0.12,37.31,0.15
Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9),0.00,0.00,3.62,0.03,48 .06,5.72,0.00,0.00,13.72,0.00,28.84,0.01
Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1),0.00,0.00,0.00,0.24,43. 99,53.43,0.00,0.09,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.25
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3),0.00,0.00,0.78,0.71,69. 04,11.78,0.00,0.00,5.18,0.00,11.80,0.72
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6),0.00,0.14,2.10,0.00 ,62.55,19.90,0.00,0.00,6.42,0.01,8.72,0.16
Middle_Chalcolithic_Hungary_(n=9),0.00,0.06,2.59,0 .00,54.30,4.98,0.01,0.21,11.41,0.09,26.19,0.16
Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14),0.00,0.01,3 .30,0.10,54.14,7.69,0.00,0.02,11.04,0.13,23.26,0.3 2
Chalcolithic_Italy_(n=5),0.00,0.00,4.37,0.19,60.14 ,2.99,0.00,0.00,8.70,0.00,23.19,0.42
Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10),0.00,0.05,7.10,0.2 0,62.40,4.58,0.00,1.41,8.67,0.08,14.69,0.83
Chalcolithic_Spain_(n=60),0.67,0.18,3.55,0.44,66.8 3,14.83,0.42,0.30,5.23,0.18,6.91,0.46
Chalcolithic_Portugal_(n=11),0.00,0.67,4.28,0.45,6 5.01,11.91,0.76,1.21,5.55,0.48,8.81,0.86
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11),0.41,0.03,2.98,0.14,68.8 3,13.98,0.95,0.15,3.37,0.53,8.33,0.31
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13),8.61,0.65,1.22,0.24,38.28, 39.03,0.77,0.52,3.24,0.08,7.02,0.33
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20),8.93,1.10,0.71,0.27,35.12,40.72,0.79 ,0.30,1.46,0.17,9.66,0.78
Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15),8.03,0.49,0.54,0.03,34. 19,45.22,0.45,0.10,1.12,0.12,9.28,0.43
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6),9.44,0.72,1.14,0.40,36.3 0,32.38,0.21,0.19,4.16,0.00,14.09,0.98
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6),9.04,1.19,0.23,0.14,38.46 ,36.83,0.21,0.16,1.73,0.00,11.13,0.89
Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7),13.47,0.91,0.00,0.04 ,30.87,49.92,1.00,0.17,0.02,0.01,2.72,0.86
Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27),12.57,0.74,0.15,0.13,34 .10,47.22,0.84,0.37,0.31,0.18,2.76,0.65
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=8),23.11,0.73,1.17,0.01,5.83,6.9 2,0.09,0.33,9.87,0.00,51.11,0.83
Early_Bronze_Age_Jordan_(n=3),3.70,1.96,1.80,2.59, 16.66,0.07,0.03,2.56,34.26,0.00,36.36,0.00
EMBA_Greece_(n=6),2.31,0.28,2.82,0.14,34.82,9.08,0 .02,0.08,10.81,0.49,37.34,1.82
Minoan_Greece_(n=10),1.24,0.05,2.80,0.09,40.35,0.0 7,0.00,0.00,13.79,0.29,41.27,0.04
Maykop_culture_(n=16),27.32,3.15,0.44,0.11,3.81,20 .03,2.14,0.10,5.14,0.02,36.78,0.95
Yamna_culture_(n=16),27.42,2.50,0.00,0.12,3.38,57. 21,1.90,0.04,0.00,0.00,6.77,0.68
Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=14),16.45,1.20,0.00,0.00,17 .75,59.38,1.23,0.38,0.00,0.00,2.67,0.94
Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17),14.35,0.78,0.06,0.06,22 .27,55.22,0.50,0.04,0.15,0.35,5.47,0.75
Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3),12.01,0.59,0.00,0.00,29.41,52.60 ,1.01,0.10,0.00,0.00,3.25,1.03
EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18),14.71,1.13,0.42,0.34, 23.58,52.50,1.46,0.36,0.06,0.12,4.09,1.21
EMBA_Poltavka_culture_(n=8),24.61,3.15,0.00,0.00,9 .02,55.88,1.84,0.14,0.36,0.00,4.47,0.54
EMBA_Catacomb_culture_(n=4),28.50,2.40,0.00,0.09,2 .43,57.07,1.42,0.00,0.00,0.00,7.10,1.00
MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4),14.63,0.10,0.10,0.00,2 7.86,55.95,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.05,0.33
EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18),8.09,0.76,0.61,0.09,30. 84,53.50,0.40,0.23,0.29,0.14,4.80,0.25
Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23),1.83,0.25,1.20,0.24 ,37.85,36.37,0.44,0.16,4.51,0.10,16.53,0.51
Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28),11.99,0.65,0.40,0. 43,34.02,46.75,0.72,0.21,0.28,0.08,3.35,1.11
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7),3.84,0.22,2.77,0.76, 54.51,24.30,0.87,0.24,3.43,1.00,7.06,0.99
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4),2.09,0.31,2.85,0.36,38.17,7 .57,0.13,0.25,9.98,0.42,37.10,0.80
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15),0.40,0.28,3.21,0.18,48.14 ,9.71,0.19,0.00,9.88,0.20,27.52,0.27
Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13),0.00,0.00,4.03,0.36,66.71, 5.81,0.07,0.03,8.09,0.05,14.64,0.23
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24),11.28,0.63,0.25,0.1 8,36.18,44.97,1.05,0.14,0.09,0.04,4.37,0.82
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24),7.79,0.63,1.26,0.44 ,40.93,37.99,0.74,0.22,1.73,0.26,7.55,0.45
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5),1.20,0.35,0 .17,0.37,50.83,30.77,0.19,0.78,2.26,0.00,12.74,0.3 3
Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4),9.53,0.00,1.96,0.0 9,14.18,0.00,0.15,0.32,19.93,0.06,53.10,0.68
Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9),8.77,0.00,3.0 9,0.37,12.70,0.24,0.55,0.54,26.16,0.13,47.13,0.31
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=24),11.47,0.21,3.3 5,0.20,12.45,3.12,0.68,0.45,22.43,0.21,45.27,0.15
Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2),5.22,0.00,0.00,0. 00,29.43,3.32,0.00,0.11,12.40,0.00,48.94,0.58
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2),9.37,3.22,0.80,0.00 ,16.48,8.51,0.00,0.00,13.03,3.32,44.46,0.83
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7),7.65,0.38,0.15, 0.04,40.96,35.90,0.95,0.22,1.24,0.25,11.46,0.80
Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9),1.57,0.27,2.20, 0.48,51.18,18.07,0.28,0.02,7.78,0.13,17.53,0.49
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38),1.40,0.22,2.80,0.35,5 6.09,25.24,0.44,0.17,3.45,0.30,9.06,0.48
Middle_Bronze_Age_Portugal_(n=4),0.58,0.14,3.24,0. 53,57.27,23.19,0.58,0.01,5.06,0.35,8.26,0.79
Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26),8.37,0.70,0.79,0.34,38.0 3,41.31,0.58,0.33,1.30,0.28,7.50,0.47
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14),5.79,0.00,0.17,0.80,37.49 ,53.80,0.07,0.00,0.08,0.00,1.36,0.44
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=7),28.78,2.62, 0.00,0.31,2.06,52.67,0.93,0.12,0.00,0.00,11.30,1.2 1
Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=4),26.72,0.93,0. 00,0.00,2.39,25.10,1.33,0.07,1.70,0.16,40.77,0.83
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12),0.70,0.00,0.41,0.02 ,44.26,41.40,0.29,0.11,1.52,0.12,10.92,0.25
Bronze_Age_Illyrians,4.87,0.27,0.93,0.48,37.82,25. 19,0.00,0.00,5.57,0.00,24.10,0.78
MBA_Andronovo_culture_(n=3),15.80,3.46,0.00,1.55,1 9.95,57.67,0.26,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.07,0.24
LBA_Karasuk_culture_(n=7),15.10,23.27,0.00,0.00,10 .87,40.85,0.92,0.01,0.00,8.54,0.02,0.42
LBA_South_Siberia_(n=4),8.54,20.93,0.00,0.26,17.73 ,44.02,0.23,0.00,0.53,6.12,1.29,0.36
LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27),18.44,2.39,0.16,0.24,19. 92,53.42,1.13,0.31,0.05,0.03,3.40,0.52
Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12),2.62,0.66,0.24,0.36,15.25 ,74.50,1.04,0.56,0.03,0.00,3.86,0.88
Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16),2.02,2.00,0.48,0.23,14.9 5,74.85,0.57,0.60,0.05,0.25,2.92,1.08
Bronze_Age_Kola_peninsula_(n=6),7.02,38.04,0.00,0. 60,0.00,44.58,1.85,0.08,0.00,7.38,0.00,0.45
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22),3.02,0.85,2.28,0.28,54.07,2 7.53,0.82,0.19,2.53,0.23,7.39,0.80
Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3),8.72,0.00,5.40,0.18,1 1.54,3.12,0.00,0.17,27.17,0.00,43.57,0.13
Iron_Age_Armenia_(n=7),22.61,0.21,0.28,0.19,10.41, 22.97,0.05,0.00,5.13,0.00,37.60,0.54
Iron_Age_&_Hellenistic_Egypt_(n=3),0.89,0.27,8.95,0.32,14.51 ,0.00,0.11,6.41,32.82,0.02,35.69,0.00
Italian_Greeks_(n=2),6.88,0.00,3.78,0.50,27.23,11. 24,0.00,0.22,13.20,0.00,36.92,0.01
Etruscans_(n=3),2.73,0.06,5.36,0.05,41.49,20.22,0. 12,0.73,8.21,0.07,20.57,0.47
Villanovans_(n=2),3.29,0.99,2.09,0.00,41.12,24.06, 0.00,0.00,5.45,0.00,22.68,0.20
Latins_(n=4),3.10,0.41,1.38,0.20,47.83,24.48,0.40, 0.04,2.68,0.00,19.26,0.25
Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46),8.39,0.14, 3.33,0.21,24.69,8.66,0.26,0.54,14.86,0.14,38.36,0. 43
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2),8.03,0.24,2.22,0.79,30.54,15.60,0 .00,0.00,10.52,0.00,32.08,0.00
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16),5.45,0.24,1.05,0.31,40.57,36.4 6,0.87,0.22,3.29,0.46,10.72,0.31
Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2),3.08,0.00,0.34,0.00,42.42,41 .91,0.00,0.22,1.24,1.38,9.44,0.65
Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4),10.07,0.43,1.14,0.30,39.11, 42.94,0.34,0.00,0.20,0.00,4.64,0.84
Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10),7.60,0.60,0.79,0.41,35.30, 48.67,0.38,0.59,1.07,0.43,2.72,1.44
Iron_Age_Norway_(n=6),8.85,3.18,0.16,0.05,29.31,52 .73,0.40,0.15,0.03,0.48,3.26,1.44
Iron_Age_Sweden_(n=4),8.70,1.18,0.81,0.26,33.18,50 .44,0.49,0.72,1.49,0.00,0.60,2.13
Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8),2.71,1.76,0.24,0.18,17.89,6 9.33,0.89,0.36,1.05,0.11,4.48,1.00
Iron_Age_Finland_(n=3),5.23,16.18,0.26,0.71,20.26, 53.58,1.39,0.31,0.00,1.92,0.01,0.16
Cimmerians_(n=6),17.57,9.28,0.00,1.02,15.41,38.52, 1.99,0.30,0.79,4.21,10.27,0.64
Western_Scythians_(n=28),11.10,4.19,1.03,0.96,23.2 8,33.27,0.97,0.60,3.60,2.63,17.68,0.71
Eastern_Scythians_(n=12),18.04,18.04,0.02,2.33,6.0 0,31.64,3.25,0.36,0.71,13.47,5.47,0.68
Sarmatians_(n=14),23.82,8.10,0.15,0.26,11.53,41.41 ,2.40,0.29,0.18,2.22,8.97,0.67
Tian_Shan_Saka_(n=5),25.93,13.09,0.11,0.35,9.74,35 .07,1.32,0.00,0.00,7.80,7.67,0.92
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24),6.54,0.21,3.14,0.20,3 2.52,17.92,0.30,0.46,10.05,0.10,28.33,0.25
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5),4.21,0.19,2.29,0.19,34 .59,19.45,0.61,0.43,9.88,0.18,27.42,0.55
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16),6.43,0.27,1.77,0.21,33 .12,24.00,0.33,0.38,8.11,0.25,24.71,0.42
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7),7.98,0.21,2 .80,0.84,29.83,14.91,0.61,0.47,9.99,2.32,29.77,0.2 7
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24),7.80,0.47,1.40,0.44,33.46,32.13, 0.37,0.52,4.87,0.75,17.44,0.35
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5),5.89,0.56,3.82,0.49,2 7.97,19.28,0.19,0.47,10.48,0.34,29.06,1.44
Roman_Britain_(n=8),10.24,0.15,0.85,0.14,37.33,43. 76,0.44,0.23,0.33,0.17,5.38,0.97
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31),4.55,0.46,6.37,0.25,39.0 7,23.34,1.00,0.89,7.10,0.33,15.47,1.17
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5),0.00,0.66,30.29,0.56 ,25.07,2.26,1.09,8.87,15.17,0.20,10.19,5.65
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9),4.57,0.27,4.62,0 .16,41.22,26.09,0.68,0.75,5.75,0.55,14.51,0.83
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14),3.62,0.24,8.84,0.29,33.6 9,15.78,0.81,3.06,10.12,0.54,15.98,7.02
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20),8.36,0.62,0.93,0.34,32.06,44 .48,0.20,0.31,1.20,0.40,5.05,1.06
Anglo-Saxons_(n=4),10.72,0.33,0.41,0.18,37.05,47.56,0.20 ,0.21,0.24,0.13,2.28,0.72
Lombards_(n=28),8.38,0.38,0.30,0.17,35.03,46.38,0. 35,0.23,1.05,0.06,7.26,0.42
Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3),9.95,0.37,0.86,0.9 5,31.29,45.56,0.72,0.32,1.25,0.00,8.38,0.35
Ostrogoths_(n=3),7.92,2.51,1.82,1.28,29.31,39.14,0 .73,0.09,0.86,1.73,13.41,1.21
Danish_Vikings_(n=21),7.02,0.56,0.63,0.26,34.29,45 .62,0.62,0.45,1.47,0.21,7.80,1.07
Swedish_Vikings_(n=23),6.50,1.09,0.51,0.68,31.07,5 1.68,0.75,0.43,0.28,0.39,5.16,1.46
Vikings_from_England_(n=28),8.40,0.72,0.57,0.71,35 .30,46.60,0.31,0.30,0.91,0.11,4.17,1.91
Vikings_from_Poland_(n=9),4.35,0.31,0.69,0.38,27.3 9,55.13,0.42,0.34,0.82,0.21,8.68,1.28
Vikings_from_Russia_(n=15),5.28,1.54,0.22,0.56,27. 39,53.31,0.70,0.81,1.57,0.80,6.76,1.07
Vikings_from_Ukraine_(n=4),4.39,1.94,0.57,0.64,26. 14,53.36,0.10,0.10,0.98,0.22,9.95,1.63
Caucasian_Alans_(n=2),20.70,2.23,0.10,0.00,10.37,2 4.33,0.07,0.00,3.64,0.00,38.14,0.42
Avars_(n=2),4.96,1.09,0.11,0.00,24.45,55.08,0.69,0 .34,1.38,0.00,11.68,0.23
Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2),0.92,0.00,0.27,0.00,27 .17,65.15,0.00,0.00,0.19,0.00,6.29,0.03
Medieval_Estonia_(n=7),3.28,1.99,0.62,1.64,21.55,6 5.31,0.45,0.39,0.82,0.17,3.06,0.72
Iron_Age_Kangju_(n=4),25.75,6.42,0.00,0.16,13.08,3 4.22,1.63,0.00,0.21,2.41,14.45,1.69
Tian_Shan_Huns_(n=8),20.94,17.16,0.00,0.18,8.64,32 .97,1.72,0.04,0.00,13.49,4.10,0.76
Mongolian_Xiongnu_(n=5),8.74,15.47,0.12,12.81,2.00 ,11.56,1.38,0.00,0.11,46.40,0.08,1.31
Iron_Age_Altai_(n=5),14.62,23.01,0.13,2.97,7.58,34 .88,0.33,0.00,0.00,13.80,2.40,0.30
Medieval_Steppe_Turks_(n=2),15.51,14.66,0.19,2.02, 12.43,27.26,0.00,0.00,0.00,22.40,5.20,0.34

I recommend using the 2WAY function as it takes into account blends of populations. I tested it with modern individuals with parents from different countries and is worked perfectly (exactly 50%-50% from each parent's country). It is a bit slow to calculate though.

Jovialis
10-03-21, 12:42
Fantastic work Maciamo! You have brought it to the next level with these coordinates.

Here are my results:

Minoan + Yamnaya.

Basically, one of the scenarios that Lazaridis proposed as the Northern Model for the Mycenaean Greeks in his 2017 paper. Very cool! :)

https://i.imgur.com/ZzmI3jJ.png

Salento
10-03-21, 14:55
... thanks Maciano

... Top 10 - Combined, AncestryDNA, 23_v4:

https://i.imgur.com/PDUl8xe.jpg

Palermo Trapani
10-03-21, 16:19
Maciamo: Nice work! Good morning Salento and Jovialis. My top 25 (Ancestry DNA). I like the two source model, very parsimonious and can explain things without all sorts of data mining, etc.



Distance to:
PalermoTrapani


1.62473465
76.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 23.40% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


1.88133259
14.80% IA_Iberia_(n=22) + 85.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.96875111
26.80% Etruscans_(n=3) + 73.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.12602696
14.80% BA_Iberia_(n=44) + 85.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.48183437
14.80% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=11) + 85.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.61225469
14.80% BA_Gaul_(n=31) + 85.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.74505064
13.20% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6) + 86.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.77909149
15.60% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 84.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.83854812
24.60% Villanovans_(n=2) + 75.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.87891152
19.20% Latins_(n=4) + 80.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.95826576
12.80% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=19) + 87.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.02577571
14.60% LBA_Hungary_(n=6) + 85.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.12311873
19.20% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 80.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.18786574
12.00% Neolithic_Britain_(n=34) + 88.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.23742948
15.60% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 84.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.28527754
13.40% Megalithic_Europe + 86.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.47489435
89.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 10.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


3.48389700
11.40% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 88.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.49166773
13.40% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=64) + 86.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.53552150
11.80% MBA_Britain_(n=22) + 88.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.55699617
75.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 24.20% Yamna_culture_(n=13)


3.70940543
9.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 90.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.71805264
11.00% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 89.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.72039706
11.20% EBA_Britain_(n=28) + 88.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.78182034
88.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 11.80% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)

Salento
10-03-21, 16:32
Fantastic work Maciamo! You have brought it to the next level with these coordinates.

Here are my results:

Minoan + Yamnaya.

Basically, one of the scenarios that Lazaridis proposed as the Northern Model for the Mycenaean Greeks in his 2017 paper. Very cool! :)

https://i.imgur.com/ZzmI3jJ.png


.... Thanks @PT :)

... the rest of the results:

https://i.imgur.com/D7KidiZ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/HIJyqYU.jpg

... I’m still trying to make sense of it, ... I don’t know.

Jovialis
10-03-21, 17:09
I'm starting to wonder if the Minions could actually be a good proxy for what pre-Italic southern farmers in Italy may have looked like genetically. Perhaps the Italics brought Steppe to Southern Italy in a similar amount that the Proto-Greeks brought it to the pre-Hellenic people in Greece. Which could be why Southern Italians look genetically similar to Mycenaeans. Of course in addition to waves of Greek colonization.

Jovialis
10-03-21, 17:31
I'm starting to wonder if the Minions could actually be a good proxy for what pre-Italic southern farmers in Italy may have looked like genetically. Perhaps the Italics brought Steppe to Southern Italy in a similar amount that the Proto-Greeks brought it to the pre-Hellenic people in Greece. Which could be why Southern Italians look genetically similar to Mycenaeans. Of course in addition to waves of Greek colonization.

https://i.imgur.com/k8lyWAK.png

https://i.imgur.com/9NOEBJq.png

Somewhat similar to the Northern model for Mycenaeans:

https://i.imgur.com/pbSh7OF.png

Duarte
10-03-21, 18:03
:good_job: Nice work Maciamo

Mine

2way best matches


Distance to:
Duarte


5.18746490
22.80% IA_Iberia_(n=22) + 77.20% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.19626512
42.80% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 57.20% Ostrogoths_(n=3)


5.35883970
21.20% BA_Iberia_(n=44) + 78.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.59923265
13.60% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=19) + 86.40% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.66006917
11.00% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 89.00% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.81364857
11.20% Neolithic_Britain_(n=34) + 88.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.81831970
13.20% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6) + 86.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.98550837
11.60% Megalithic_Europe + 88.40% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


6.05035342
11.20% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=64) + 88.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


6.13787503
7.20% Neolithic_Spain_(n=15) + 92.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


6.20489093
15.00% BA_Gaul_(n=31) + 85.00% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


6.23616667
21.00% Latins_(n=4) + 79.00% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


6.25515374
7.40% Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13) + 92.60% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


6.26468528
66.80% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 33.20% Yamna_culture_(n=13)


6.31869268
12.80% LBA_Hungary_(n=6) + 87.20% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


6.33066844
7.40% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 92.60% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


6.36697101
12.20% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=11) + 87.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


6.41262347
7.00% Neolithic_France_(n=21) + 93.00% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


6.49485853
11.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 89.00% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


6.50171881
6.20% MBA_Britain_(n=22) + 93.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


6.50553347
94.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 5.20% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


6.54877227
5.00% EBA_Britain_(n=28) + 95.00% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


6.55580486
4.80% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 95.20% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


6.55939674
4.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 96.00% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


6.57738602
8.20% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 91.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)




First matches with 6way, 5way, 4way, 3way, 2way:




Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.4167% / 4.41668913 | R6P



36.2
Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10)





26.0
Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)





22.9
Ostrogoths_(n=3)





8.6
Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=19)





4.9
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





1.4
Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.4175% / 4.41745207 | R5P



39.0
Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10)





23.5
Ostrogoths_(n=3)





22.6
Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)





9.8
Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43)





5.1
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.5936% / 4.59363103 | R4P



45.2
Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)





26.1
Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10)





25.9
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)





2.8
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.7312% / 4.73120096 | R3P



54.3
Ostrogoths_(n=3)





42.8
Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10)





2.9
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 5.1875% / 5.18746490 | R2P



77.2
Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)





22.8
IA_Iberia_(n=22)







Single way best matches



Distance to:
Duarte


6.71266713
Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.86048341
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.27186764
Latins_(n=4)


12.12435978
Villanovans_(n=2)


15.13849068
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


15.30209790
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.31625933
IA_Iberia_(n=22)


15.69609824
BA_Gaul_(n=31)


15.87606059
BA_Iberia_(n=44)


16.49046998
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


16.55861407
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=11)


16.58959915
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


20.79682909
Scythians_(n=19)


21.80919989
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


22.92128923
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)


22.94319289
BA_Sicily_(n=15)


23.82327643
Megalithic_Europe


23.87818251
Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=64)


24.06814908
Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=19)


24.60763906
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


25.98923239
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


26.29432258
MBA_Britain_(n=22)


26.34415305
Lombards_(n=28)


26.88002046
Neolithic_France_(n=21)


27.36321253
Neolithic_Britain_(n=34)

torzio
10-03-21, 18:33
mine below




Distance to:
Torziok12b


7.93611996
Villanovans_(n=2)


9.76980041
Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


11.45072923
Etruscans_(n=3)


12.09149288
Scythians_(n=19)


13.38610100
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


13.72095113
Latins_(n=4)


14.51663529
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


16.26212471
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


16.80917607
BA_Gaul_(n=31)


17.43714713
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


17.48916236
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=11)


19.61592210
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


21.25626025
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


23.44443004
IA_Iberia_(n=22)


23.57409807
Lombards_(n=28)


23.80852998
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


24.25986810
BA_Iberia_(n=44)


24.30828665
BA_Sicily_(n=15)


24.97473724
MBA_Britain_(n=22)


25.76996702
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


26.93811983
Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


26.95927484
EBA_Britain_(n=28)


27.77203990
Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)


28.63350834
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


29.38142270
Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)








Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 1.2688% / 1.26880239 | ADC: 0.25x RC





51.3
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)






24.8
Villanovans_(n=2)






23.9
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)









Distance to:
Torziok12b


1.64679071
54.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


1.73485819
63.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 37.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


1.77723273
64.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 36.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.84345179
47.00% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 53.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


1.85816164
49.20% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 50.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


1.92274543
50.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 50.00% EBA_Britain_(n=28)


1.99577565
53.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 46.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.07154006
39.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 60.60% Lombards_(n=28)


2.12184492
60.60% BA_Gaul_(n=31) + 39.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.14439183
13.00% Yamna_culture_(n=13) + 87.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.16365463
46.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 53.40% Lombards_(n=28)


2.19754361
56.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 44.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


2.23190121
42.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 57.40% EBA_Britain_(n=28)


2.36057621
56.60% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 43.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


2.44643528
48.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 52.00% MBA_Britain_(n=22)


2.51334656
46.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 53.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


2.56617541
46.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 53.80% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)


2.57502390
52.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 47.40% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


2.59523613
55.60% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 44.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.61226947
39.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 60.40% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


2.64471292
46.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 53.20% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


2.67026594
67.20% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 32.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


2.76505056
66.20% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 33.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.92738936
40.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 59.20% MBA_Britain_(n=22)


2.94698829
37.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 62.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)

Salento
10-03-21, 20:25
I'm starting to wonder if the Minions could actually be a good proxy for what pre-Italic southern farmers in Italy may have looked like genetically. Perhaps the Italics brought Steppe to Southern Italy in a similar amount that the Proto-Greeks brought it to the pre-Hellenic people in Greece. Which could be why Southern Italians look genetically similar to Mycenaeans. Of course in addition to waves of Greek colonization.

I’m not getting the Minoans on the default 2way calculator, ... and the secondary population from the top it’s geographically very far from the primary population,
... though my primary population exceeds 90%,
maybe at this high level mark the Minoans start to build up too much or too little of a distance on the 2way calculator.

Stuvanè
10-03-21, 20:33
Mine :)



Distance to:
Dodecadk12bStuvanè


2.49467477
47.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 52.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.54191127
58.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 41.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.81691307
58.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 41.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


3.05643178
55.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 45.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


3.29448972
44.60% BA_Gaul_(n=31) + 55.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.33197422
45.20% LBA_Hungary_(n=6) + 54.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.38469387
66.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 33.20% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


3.49091616
54.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 46.00% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


3.49104056
64.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 36.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


3.72417685
32.40% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 67.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.75302097
44.00% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=11) + 56.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.86028119
62.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 37.20% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


4.00960640
41.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 58.40% Ostrogoths_(n=3)


4.20452905
48.40% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 51.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


4.27870844
60.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 39.60% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


4.28871627
28.60% Mesolithic_East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=10) + 71.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)


4.29261885
36.20% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 63.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


4.31633863
26.80% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 73.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


4.34504166
43.20% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 56.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


4.34673882
52.40% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 47.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


4.38612033
59.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 41.00% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


4.45076363
34.80% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 65.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


4.45467574
58.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 41.20% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=13)


4.46459262
61.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 38.60% Lombards_(n=28)


4.46768296
67.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 33.00% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=13)

Angela
11-03-21, 01:30
Thanks, Maciamo...

My father would have been very happy to see this. I guess he was right to a certain extent all along; He always told me I was descended from the Villanovans/Etruscans, and to a degree to the Latins, as well as always claiming that the Etruscans were "native" to our lands for a long time, which I also proposed for years. :)



Distance to:
Angela


6.58167152
Villanovans_(n=2)


7.96705717
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.89617165
Latins_(n=4)


13.13808205
Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


13.49591049
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


13.54544942
BA_Sicily_(n=15)


16.75045373
Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


18.23290981
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


18.34038713
Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)


20.64124996
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


21.32677660
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)


21.72445626
Scythians_(n=19)


23.32025086
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


23.48813956
Early_Neolithic_LBK_culture_(n=17)


23.68992824
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


23.92374344
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


24.12355281
BA_Iberia_(n=44)


24.50708673
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


25.08354640
IA_Iberia_(n=22)


25.25851935
BA_Gaul_(n=31)


25.28784491
Neolithic_Italy_(n=17)


25.73152735
Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


26.41515096
Neolithic_France_(n=21)


26.70653665
Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=64)


26.75600867
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=11)




With single: Never got the Mycenaeans before.



Target: Angela
Distance: 1.2242% / 1.22419699



49.8
Latins_(n=4)





43.8
Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)





6.1
Yamna_culture_(n=13)





0.2
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





0.1
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)





Well, I must say that made me very happy. I'm related to the people of both the great civilizations of antiquity :) Of course, there's Yamnaya in both the Latins and the ancient Greeks, and there's CHG/Iran Neo in the ancient Greeks.

Anyone know the numbers for the two "Italian Greeks" used?

Two way:


Distance to:
Angela


1.92071940
63.60% Latins_(n=4) + 36.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.41905369
60.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 39.80% BA_Gaul_(n=31)


2.53019522
26.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 73.20% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.73060830
19.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 81.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


3.07680600
58.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 41.20% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


3.15678046
19.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 80.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


3.32187667
21.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 78.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


3.36213125
49.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 50.40% BA_Gaul_(n=31)


3.42006999
58.40% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 41.60% LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


3.43235389
38.20% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=11) + 61.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


3.63264342
47.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 52.20% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


3.69109049
60.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 39.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


3.73183551
53.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 47.00% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


3.75391058
51.80% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 48.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


3.76884374
49.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 50.60% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


3.82840221
40.80% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 59.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


3.86059777
62.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 38.00% Lombards_(n=28)


3.93832949
58.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 41.80% MBA_Britain_(n=22)


3.94714773
71.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 28.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


3.96712040
68.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 31.40% MBA_Britain_(n=22)


3.98161434
66.80% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 33.20% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


3.99801750
40.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 59.20% Latins_(n=4)


4.06184353
66.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 33.60% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)


4.09084128
58.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 41.40% Lombards_(n=28)


4.16638982
57.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 43.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)




For Italians, I wonder how it would work if the one Parma Beaker sample which is almost completely EEF was included? Does anyone know if the raw data was ever made available? Or maybe we could average all the Italian Neolithic samples?
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Target: Angela
Distance: 1.2242% / 1.22419699



49.8
Latins_(n=4)





43.8
Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)





6.1
Yamna_culture_(n=13)





0.2
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





0.1
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)

Palermo Trapani
11-03-21, 03:26
Angela: I think what you are referring to are the Sample Numbers for the Italian Greeks. I think they are R474 and R850. If that is not what you were asking, my apologies.

Regards, PT

Angela
11-03-21, 03:41
Mine :)



Distance to:
Dodecadk12bStuvanè


2.49467477
47.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 52.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.54191127
58.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 41.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.81691307
58.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 41.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


3.05643178
55.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 45.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


3.29448972
44.60% BA_Gaul_(n=31) + 55.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.33197422
45.20% LBA_Hungary_(n=6) + 54.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.38469387
66.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 33.20% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


3.49091616
54.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 46.00% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


3.49104056
64.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 36.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


3.72417685
32.40% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 67.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.75302097
44.00% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=11) + 56.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.86028119
62.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 37.20% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


4.00960640
41.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 58.40% Ostrogoths_(n=3)


4.20452905
48.40% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 51.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


4.27870844
60.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 39.60% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


4.28871627
28.60% Mesolithic_East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=10) + 71.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)


4.29261885
36.20% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 63.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


4.31633863
26.80% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 73.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


4.34504166
43.20% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 56.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


4.34673882
52.40% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 47.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


4.38612033
59.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 41.00% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


4.45076363
34.80% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 65.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


4.45467574
58.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 41.20% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=13)


4.46459262
61.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 38.60% Lombards_(n=28)


4.46768296
67.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 33.00% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=13)




Stuvane, what do you get for all over distance?

Jovialis
11-03-21, 03:56
Fantastic work Maciamo! You have brought it to the next level with these coordinates.

Here are my results:

Minoan + Yamnaya.

Basically, one of the scenarios that Lazaridis proposed as the Northern Model for the Mycenaean Greeks in his 2017 paper. Very cool! :)

https://i.imgur.com/ZzmI3jJ.png

Here are the other tabs for mine:

https://i.imgur.com/5TwhNkQ.png

https://i.imgur.com/kqQck0t.png

Angela
11-03-21, 04:32
Angela: I think what you are referring to are the Sample Numbers for the Italian Greeks. I think they are R474 and R850. If that is not what you were asking, my apologies.

Regards, PT

Not 437 and 850?

At any rate, my closest two way admixture is :



1.92071940
63.60% Latins_(n=4) + 36.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)



If I'm right about the "Italian Greek" samples, and they are half Latin, then, dividing the 35.40 by 2, I get an additional 18.2% Latin/Ancient Roman, for a total of 81.8%. I'll take that. :)

Palermo Trapani
11-03-21, 04:39
Angela: Sorry, 437 is correct, I just missed label that one, which I tend to always have genetic distances pretty close to.

Palermo Trapani
11-03-21, 05:07
Maciamo: Great work again and great thread with some really good results for everyone all around. My other tabs using the Coordinates Maciamo produced in post #2.

Single Distances

https://i.imgur.com/ao1AIoz.jpg

Model with no Restrictions:

https://i.imgur.com/XnCw2l5.jpg

Models with 2, 3, and 4 Population Restrictions

https://i.imgur.com/sz9efxT.jpg

Maciamo
11-03-21, 11:00
I have updated the coordinates. I separated Early Neolithic France from Middle Neolithic France, revised BB Gaul and BA Gaul, and added Medieval Catalonia and Medieval Andalusia.

My closest populations in 2Way are:



1.47976060
44.20% Latins_(n=4) + 55.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)



Similar in Single:



Target: Maciamo
Distance: 1.0116% / 1.01164818


58.7
Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)





33.2
Latins_(n=4)





4.5
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)





3.3
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)





0.3
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





I suppose that Anglo-Saxon really is Frankish (or broadly West Germanic), as there there are no Frankish samples in the list (unable to convert the genomes of the Merovingian Nobles at the moment).


I see that most Italians are getting a combination of Italo-Celtic (Bell Beaker, Gauls, Latins) and Greeks (Italian_Greeks, Minoans, Mycenaeans), with a higher ratio for the former in the north and the latter in the south. That makes complete sense.

Regio X
11-03-21, 13:51
With the updated coordinates...

DISTANCE

Myself - FTDNA data
RegioX_FTDNA,6.85,0,0.83,0,37.94,27.68,0,0,5.67,0, 21.03 ,0



Distance to:
RegioX_FTDNA


6.42409527
Villanovans_(n=2)


8.80230652
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


9.62271272
Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.63916350
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.61560588
Latins_(n=4)


13.50716477
Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


14.03574722
Scythians_(n=19)


14.11527187
Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


16.24135154
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


16.43112899
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


17.38017549
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


17.87650413
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


18.32570599
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


18.42020358
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


21.73982981
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


21.79638273
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


22.47800703
Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)


23.11561810
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


23.92207976
Lombards_(n=28)


24.42059582
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


25.22138973
MBA_Britain_(n=22)


26.51740183
Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


26.62978595
Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


27.38026114
EBA_Britain_(n=28)


27.66156539
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)



Myself - 23andMe data
RegioX_23andMe,6.89,0,0.86,0,37.85,27.39,0,0,5.54, 0,21.47,0



Distance to:
RegioX_23andMe


6.22470883
Villanovans_(n=2)


9.11961622
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


9.78285234
Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.53243562
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.67042844
Latins_(n=4)


13.95331143
Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


14.07929686
Scythians_(n=19)


14.61727403
Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


16.64243672
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


16.91449083
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


17.68556191
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


17.85711623
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


18.36629794
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


18.82322236
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


22.12713493
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


22.16951962
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


22.74743502
Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)


22.84309524
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


24.36635180
Lombards_(n=28)


24.86221430
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


25.67240347
MBA_Britain_(n=22)


26.07316628
Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


26.17378268
Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


27.38892112
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


27.82284134
EBA_Britain_(n=28)



Father_23andMe,7.92,0,0.69,0,36.48,28.19,0.26,0,6. 36,0,20.09,0



Distance to:
Father_23andMe


8.40281500
Villanovans_(n=2)


9.32106754
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


9.94150391
Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


11.90811908
Etruscans_(n=3)


12.41622729
Scythians_(n=19)


12.55194009
Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


13.44686581
Latins_(n=4)


13.76427259
Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


16.12715722
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


16.21635286
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


16.95590163
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


17.41228876
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


18.36066992
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


19.55837161
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


20.70152410
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


22.67563009
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


22.94693008
Lombards_(n=28)


23.23493490
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


23.59541693
Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)


24.17516908
MBA_Britain_(n=22)


24.66152266
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


26.20056870
EBA_Britain_(n=28)


26.71881921
Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


26.98413423
Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)


27.75357635
Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)



Mother_23andMe,5.03,0.21,1.33,0,37.33,29.53,0,0,5. 60,0,20.98,0



Distance to:
Mother_23andMe


7.17294221
Villanovans_(n=2)


9.05153578
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


10.14794068
Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


11.54516782
Etruscans_(n=3)


12.29913818
Latins_(n=4)


12.78176044
Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


13.06104896
Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


13.68707785
Scythians_(n=19)


15.00720494
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


15.74111495
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


16.03008422
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


17.48319193
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


18.73195398
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


19.12609213
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


20.38481052
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


22.02663388
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


22.60199106
Lombards_(n=28)


22.86896368
Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)


23.18086711
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


24.28963565
MBA_Britain_(n=22)


24.41180247
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


26.42138906
EBA_Britain_(n=28)


27.26097394
Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)


27.53443844
Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


27.82041337
Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)



In-law_23andMe,5.74,0,0,0,34.02,30.41,0,0,5.61,0,24.2 2,0



Distance to:
In-law_23andMe


10.22352190
Villanovans_(n=2)


11.97073097
Scythians_(n=19)


13.77077340
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


14.13531040
Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


14.77458629
Etruscans_(n=3)


14.99664296
Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


16.08778729
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


16.38211525
Latins_(n=4)


16.41921740
Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


18.73325119
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


19.35441552
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


20.12691978
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


21.08926030
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


21.54232578
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


22.51404006
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


23.91828798
Lombards_(n=28)


24.46206246
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


25.46325981
Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


25.97365011
MBA_Britain_(n=22)


26.38307791
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


26.79237391
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


27.32116213
Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


27.63339284
Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)


27.79554461
EBA_Britain_(n=28)


28.63105656
Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)




2WAY



Distance to:
RegioX_FTDNA


1.76477421
40.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 60.00% Lombards_(n=28)


1.91942497
53.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 46.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


1.92080720
72.80% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 27.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


1.95669985
66.60% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 33.40% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


2.08927486
41.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 58.60% MBA_Britain_(n=22)


2.09484698
48.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 51.40% MBA_Britain_(n=22)


2.17830772
10.40% Yamna_culture_(n=13) + 89.60% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.35967619
62.20% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 37.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


2.38527559
47.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 52.80% Lombards_(n=28)


2.44245653
43.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 56.60% EBA_Britain_(n=28)


2.48338875
56.00% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 44.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


2.48617348
48.60% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 51.40% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


2.50218025
45.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 54.20% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


2.59564125
50.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 49.20% EBA_Britain_(n=28)


2.60894256
57.40% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 42.60% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.62669190
38.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 61.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


2.63128755
40.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 59.20% Lombards_(n=28)


2.68068269
62.00% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 38.00% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.69125041
13.20% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=13) + 86.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.74165928
27.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 72.40% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


2.84181152
62.20% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 37.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.88074692
86.80% Villanovans_(n=2) + 13.20% Sarmatians_(n=5)


2.90217342
59.40% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 40.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


2.92143959
13.20% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22) + 86.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


3.00239450
47.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 52.80% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)





Distance to:
RegioX_23andMe


1.87478837
40.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 59.20% Lombards_(n=28)


1.92615965
65.40% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 34.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


2.01654736
71.80% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 28.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


2.04437175
54.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 46.00% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


2.06485042
49.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 50.40% MBA_Britain_(n=22)


2.15734327
10.00% Yamna_culture_(n=13) + 90.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.23145199
42.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 58.00% MBA_Britain_(n=22)


2.32382805
48.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 51.80% Lombards_(n=28)


2.36091185
61.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 38.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


2.41718045
47.80% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 52.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


2.51888004
44.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 56.00% EBA_Britain_(n=28)


2.52357459
51.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 48.40% EBA_Britain_(n=28)


2.56825341
55.20% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 44.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


2.77009360
87.20% Villanovans_(n=2) + 12.80% Sarmatians_(n=5)


2.77118392
46.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 53.60% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


2.81352981
39.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 60.80% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


2.83945411
60.80% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 39.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.87479753
57.80% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 42.20% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.88686249
12.60% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=13) + 87.40% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.89764663
41.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 58.60% Lombards_(n=28)


2.90382160
54.20% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 45.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


2.94881268
28.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 71.40% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


3.06551961
58.40% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 41.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


3.10972543
12.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22) + 87.60% Villanovans_(n=2)


3.13629731
47.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 52.20% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)





Distance to:
Father_23andMe


1.72649841
57.80% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 42.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


1.78708237
55.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 44.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


1.82450264
41.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 58.40% EBA_Britain_(n=28)


2.05153988
50.80% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 49.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


2.23102618
45.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 54.80% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)


2.28546297
48.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 51.40% EBA_Britain_(n=28)


2.39799615
39.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 60.40% MBA_Britain_(n=22)


2.44046281
55.00% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 45.00% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.47468432
75.00% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 25.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


2.52484592
46.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 53.40% MBA_Britain_(n=22)


2.54468752
38.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 61.80% Lombards_(n=28)


2.56275257
69.20% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 30.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


2.57389843
66.20% Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 33.80% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.62301259
62.40% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 37.60% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.64051166
48.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 51.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


2.64062310
64.20% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 35.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


2.68761391
51.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 48.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


2.79892191
13.60% Yamna_culture_(n=13) + 86.40% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.95151179
51.20% Early_Neolithic_LBK_culture_(n=17) + 48.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


3.05359001
68.60% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 31.40% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.05786956
44.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 55.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


3.06265664
45.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 54.80% Lombards_(n=28)


3.11650687
59.80% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 40.20% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


3.12649175
55.80% Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9) + 44.20% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


3.24005822
52.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 47.60% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)





Distance to:
Mother_23andMe


1.39600338
37.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 62.20% Lombards_(n=28)


1.55221993
44.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 55.20% Lombards_(n=28)


1.77175302
53.40% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 46.60% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)


1.86204731
64.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 35.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


1.91902015
15.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22) + 84.20% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.02213740
45.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 54.40% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


2.24381867
57.80% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 42.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


2.25423016
36.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 64.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


2.35887454
47.80% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 52.20% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


2.38040024
15.40% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=13) + 84.60% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.40159886
9.60% Mesolithic_East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=10) + 90.40% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.40715501
45.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 55.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


2.40761504
11.60% Yamna_culture_(n=13) + 88.40% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.45083776
38.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 61.60% Lombards_(n=28)


2.58952160
46.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 53.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)


2.67777733
9.60% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 90.40% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.69794646
70.40% Villanovans_(n=2) + 29.60% Ostrogoths_(n=3)


2.71387511
51.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 48.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


2.73657825
43.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 56.60% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


2.80771848
10.20% Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 89.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.81383205
44.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 55.80% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


2.90073528
68.20% Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 31.80% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.91154865
52.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 47.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


2.93405952
38.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 62.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


2.97710972
17.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 82.20% Villanovans_(n=2)





Distance to:
In-law_23andMe


3.48381933
53.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 46.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


3.86741925
45.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 54.40% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


4.14465305
51.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 48.20% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


4.46873341
57.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 43.00% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


4.48384755
44.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 55.80% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


4.56370294
56.20% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 43.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


4.77319602
43.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 57.00% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


4.80578158
46.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 53.40% Lombards_(n=28)


4.86837846
49.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 50.20% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


4.90286085
49.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 50.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


5.01322643
48.40% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 51.60% Lombards_(n=28)


5.01595775
63.40% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 36.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


5.04874582
34.80% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 65.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


5.05682283
51.60% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 48.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


5.15892823
47.00% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 53.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


5.18693720
15.00% Yamna_culture_(n=13) + 85.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


5.23412506
54.40% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 45.60% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


5.31644239
36.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 63.80% Ostrogoths_(n=3)


5.35483686
38.00% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=19) + 62.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


5.36451489
29.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 70.60% Ostrogoths_(n=3)


5.44118241
39.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 61.00% Lombards_(n=28)


5.65245397
64.20% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 35.80% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


5.75809757
45.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 54.20% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


5.78655140
47.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 53.00% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


5.86256712
61.80% Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 38.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)




In-law getting substantially higher distances, curiously.

ED.: the results of SINGLE change in each run.

Stuvanè
11-03-21, 13:58
Stuvane, what do you get for all over distance?

@Angela

here they are



Distance to:
Dodecadk12bStuvanè


9.05316519
Villanovans_(n=2)


11.05727815
Etruscans_(n=3)


12.65941547
Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


14.29163392
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


14.45562174
Scythians_(n=19)


16.57576846
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


16.98754544
Latins_(n=4)


19.17563558
Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


20.27443217
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


20.44652782
Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


21.15670816
Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


21.25037647
Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


21.28523432
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


21.77716465
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


23.19574746
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


23.99194865
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


24.81086859
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


25.13596427
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


25.82459293
Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)


27.62877486
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


27.69661351
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)


28.44173518
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


28.49761043
Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)


29.86476017
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


30.03688233
Lombards_(n=28)






And the other combos



Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 2.4947% / 2.49467477 | R2P




52.6
Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)





47.4
Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)








Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 3.3785% / 3.37847230 | ADC: 0.5x RC




50.7
Villanovans_(n=2)





25.6
Scythians_(n=19)





23.7
Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)








Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 1.4608% / 1.46080883 | ADC: 0.25x RC




54.7
Villanovans_(n=2)





32.2
Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)





9.0
Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12)





4.1
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15)









Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 0.6031% / 0.60312611




29.9
Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)





24.0
Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)





12.4
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)





11.1
Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43)





10.1
Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)





8.3
Lombards_(n=28)





3.7
Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31)





0.5
Unetice_culture_(n=18)

Salento
11-03-21, 15:22
... if you get an error, ... at the end of the first coordinates, ... just press Enter / Return

Salento
11-03-21, 15:53
2way:

Mesolithic Baltic Scandinavia - Iron Age Italian_Greeks

https://i.imgur.com/q3YCD7g.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/QKypntD.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fYt3hzK.jpg

Angela
11-03-21, 16:20
I don't see any change using the revised list.



Distance to:
Angela


6.58167152
Villanovans_(n=2)


7.96705717
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.89617165
Latins_(n=4)


13.13808205
Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


13.49591049
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


13.54544942
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


14.35290215
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


16.75045373
Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


17.63364682
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


18.23290981
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


18.34038713
Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)


20.64124996
Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


21.32677660
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)


21.72445626
Scythians_(n=19)


23.32025086
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


23.48813956
Early_Neolithic_LBK_culture_(n=17)


23.68992824
Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


23.92374344
Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


24.12355281
Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)


24.50708673
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


25.08354640
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


25.28784491
Neolithic_Italy_(n=17)


25.38777265
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


25.73152735
Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


26.22789927
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)






Distance to:
Angela


1.92071940
63.60% Latins_(n=4) + 36.40% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.37200753
60.40% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 39.60% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


2.53019522
26.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 73.20% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.73060830
19.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 81.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


3.07680600
58.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 41.20% Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


3.15678046
19.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 80.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


3.32187667
21.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 78.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


3.42006999
58.40% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 41.60% LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


3.46079896
49.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 50.40% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


3.63264342
47.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 52.20% Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


3.69109049
60.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 39.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


3.73183551
53.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 47.00% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


3.75067389
36.60% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 63.40% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


3.75391058
51.80% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 48.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


3.76884374
49.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 50.60% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


3.82840221
40.80% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 59.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


3.86059777
62.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 38.00% Lombards_(n=28)


3.93832949
58.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 41.80% MBA_Britain_(n=22)


3.94714773
71.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 28.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


3.96712040
68.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 31.40% MBA_Britain_(n=22)


3.98161434
66.80% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 33.20% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


3.99801750
40.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 59.20% Latins_(n=4)


4.06184353
66.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 33.60% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)


4.09084128
58.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 41.40% Lombards_(n=28)


4.16638982
57.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 43.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)

Angela
11-03-21, 16:21
@Angela

here they are



Distance to:
Dodecadk12bStuvanè


9.05316519
Villanovans_(n=2)


11.05727815
Etruscans_(n=3)


12.65941547
Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


14.29163392
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


14.45562174
Scythians_(n=19)


16.57576846
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


16.98754544
Latins_(n=4)


19.17563558
Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


20.27443217
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


20.44652782
Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


21.15670816
Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


21.25037647
Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


21.28523432
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


21.77716465
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


23.19574746
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


23.99194865
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


24.81086859
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


25.13596427
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


25.82459293
Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)


27.62877486
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


27.69661351
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)


28.44173518
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


28.49761043
Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)


29.86476017
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


30.03688233
Lombards_(n=28)





And the other combos



Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 2.4947% / 2.49467477 | R2P



52.6
Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)





47.4
Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)








Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 3.3785% / 3.37847230 | ADC: 0.5x RC



50.7
Villanovans_(n=2)





25.6
Scythians_(n=19)





23.7
Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)








Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 1.4608% / 1.46080883 | ADC: 0.25x RC



54.7
Villanovans_(n=2)





32.2
Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)





9.0
Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12)





4.1
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15)









Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 0.6031% / 0.60312611



29.9
Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)





24.0
Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)





12.4
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)





11.1
Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43)





10.1
Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)





8.3
Lombards_(n=28)





3.7
Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31)





0.5
Unetice_culture_(n=18)






All out of juice for now, but thank you Stuvane. :)

Duarte
11-03-21, 16:39
Thanks once again Maciamo.

Single way


Distance to:
Duarte


6.17150711
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.71266713
Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.86048341
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.27186764
Latins_(n=4)


12.12435978
Villanovans_(n=2)


14.05696980
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


15.13849068
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


15.30209790
Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.31625933
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


15.62434319
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


15.87606059
Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)


16.49046998
Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


16.58959915
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


18.93396947
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


20.79682909
Scythians_(n=19)


21.80919989
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


22.92128923
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)


22.94319289
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


23.82327643
Megalithic_Europe_(=24)


23.87818251
Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=64)


24.06814908
Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=19)


24.60763906
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


25.98923239
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


26.16566835
Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19)


26.29432258
MBA_Britain_(n=22)



2way admixes


Distance to:
Duarte


4.66417136
47.60% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 52.40% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.18746490
22.80% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 77.20% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.19626512
42.80% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 57.20% Ostrogoths_(n=3)


5.35883970
21.20% Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44) + 78.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.51279033
82.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9) + 17.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.59923265
13.60% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=19) + 86.40% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.63868310
8.20% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.66006917
11.00% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 89.00% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.71835463
46.80% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 53.20% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.74861394
6.00% Neolithic_Spain_(n=15) + 94.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78342255
6.60% Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13) + 93.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78479561
6.80% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 93.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.80326564
46.40% Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44) + 53.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.81041396
8.20% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=64) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.81364857
11.20% Neolithic_Britain_(n=34) + 88.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.81673395
8.20% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=19) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.81831970
13.20% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6) + 86.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.82309411
8.20% Megalithic_Europe_(=24) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.82932386
7.00% Neolithic_Britain_(n=34) + 93.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.84359788
7.20% Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19) + 92.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.94419444
5.20% Neolithic_Italy_(n=17) + 94.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.94935414
45.20% LBA_Hungary_(n=6) + 54.80% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.98550837
11.60% Megalithic_Europe_(=24) + 88.40% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.98917015
2.00% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 98.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.99444637
9.00% Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44) + 91.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)



7way, 6way, 5way, 4way, 3way, 2way


Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.9675% / 2.96746957



40.2
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





24.8
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





18.4
Ostrogoths_(n=3)





7.7
EBA_Britain_(n=28)





5.0
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)





2.0
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





1.9
Latins_(n=4)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.9674% / 2.96743995 | R7P



40.5
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





24.2
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





16.9
Ostrogoths_(n=3)





8.0
EBA_Britain_(n=28)





6.3
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)





2.1
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





2.0
Latins_(n=4)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.9694% / 2.96942450 | R6P



40.7
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





23.8
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





15.7
Ostrogoths_(n=3)





10.4
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)





6.9
EBA_Britain_(n=28)





2.5
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.9942% / 2.99421830 | R5P



38.9
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





28.6
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





23.6
Ostrogoths_(n=3)





6.7
Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)





2.2
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.0902% / 3.09015639 | R4P



44.2
Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)





37.5
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





15.3
Ostrogoths_(n=3)





3.0
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.2519% / 3.25189654 | R3P



39.2
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





33.5
Ostrogoths_(n=3)





27.3
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.6642% / 4.66417136 | R2P



52.4
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





47.6
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)

torzio
11-03-21, 17:21
I have updated the coordinates. I separated Early Neolithic France from Middle Neolithic France, revised BB Gaul and BA Gaul, and added Medieval Catalonia and Medieval Andalusia.

My closest populations in 2Way are:



1.47976060
44.20% Latins_(n=4) + 55.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)



Similar in Single:



Target: Maciamo
Distance: 1.0116% / 1.01164818


58.7
Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)





33.2
Latins_(n=4)





4.5
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)





3.3
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)





0.3
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





I suppose that Anglo-Saxon really is Frankish (or broadly West Germanic), as there there are no Frankish samples in the list (unable to convert the genomes of the Merovingian Nobles at the moment).


I see that most Italians are getting a combination of Italo-Celtic (Bell Beaker, Gauls, Latins) and Greeks (Italian_Greeks, Minoans, Mycenaeans), with a higher ratio for the former in the north and the latter in the south. That makes complete sense.

mine with your new updates



Distance to:
Torziok12b


7.93611996
Villanovans_(n=2)


9.58380926
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


9.76980041
Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


11.45072923
Etruscans_(n=3)


12.09149288
Scythians_(n=19)


13.38610100
Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


13.72095113
Latins_(n=4)


14.51663529
Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


16.26212471
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


17.09306877
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


17.43714713
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


17.79364774
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


18.27350267
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


19.61592210
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


21.25626025
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


23.44443004
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


23.57409807
Lombards_(n=28)


23.80852998
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


24.25986810
Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)


24.30828665
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


24.97473724
MBA_Britain_(n=22)


25.76996702
Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


26.93811983
Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


26.95927484
EBA_Britain_(n=28)


27.77203990
Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)






Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 0.6150% / 0.61501503




33.3
Lombards_(n=28)






27.0
Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)






9.9
Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)






9.1
Latins_(n=4)






6.2
Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)






4.6
Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)






4.2
Yamna_culture_(n=13)






3.1
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)






2.6
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)










Distance to:
Torziok12b


1.64679071
54.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


1.73485819
63.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 37.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


1.77723273
64.00% Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 36.00% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.84345179
47.00% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 53.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


1.85816164
49.20% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 50.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


1.92274543
50.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 50.00% EBA_Britain_(n=28)


1.99577565
53.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 46.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.07154006
39.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 60.60% Lombards_(n=28)


2.14439183
13.00% Yamna_culture_(n=13) + 87.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.16365463
46.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 53.40% Lombards_(n=28)


2.19754361
56.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 44.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


2.23190121
42.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 57.40% EBA_Britain_(n=28)


2.35347041
60.20% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 39.80% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.36057621
56.60% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 43.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


2.44643528
48.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 52.00% MBA_Britain_(n=22)


2.51334656
46.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 53.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


2.56617541
46.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 53.80% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)


2.57502390
52.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 47.40% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


2.59523613
55.60% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 44.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.61226947
39.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 60.40% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


2.64471292
46.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 53.20% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


2.67026594
67.20% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 32.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


2.76505056
66.20% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 33.80% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.92738936
40.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 59.20% MBA_Britain_(n=22)


2.94698829
37.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 62.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)







Target: PonzanoK12b
Distance: 1.9843% / 1.98429662 | ADC: 0.25x RC





57.3
Villanovans_(n=2)







23.3
Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)






9.7
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15)






6.9
Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12)






2.8




Distance to:
PonzanoK12b


8.28037439
Villanovans_(n=2)


9.03701278
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


9.62883170
Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


11.64315249
Etruscans_(n=3)


12.69827547
Scythians_(n=19)


12.84547002
Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


13.19541208
Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


13.67783974
Latins_(n=4)


15.70286280
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


15.94080613
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


16.08406665
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


17.27221758
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


18.09489707
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


19.40047938
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


20.23966897
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


22.51399343
Lombards_(n=28)


22.69289096
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


22.80008991
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


23.60109320
Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)


24.18387273
MBA_Britain_(n=22)


24.86273517
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


26.19728039
EBA_Britain_(n=28)


27.03234729
Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)


27.13038149
Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


28.07178833
Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)



Scythians_(n=19)

Jovialis
11-03-21, 17:44
My top results remain consistent, post-update:

https://i.imgur.com/lvtbG4q.png

Salento
11-03-21, 17:45
2way:

Mesolithic Baltic Scandinavia - Iron Age Italian_Greeks

https://i.imgur.com/q3YCD7g.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/QKypntD.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fYt3hzK.jpg

Although I don't get the Minoans with the 2way, ... my distance to the Minoans is pretty much the same as Jovialis’ :)

Maciamo
11-03-21, 18:01
I have just added:

- Khvalynsk culture
- Poltavka culture
- Bronze Age Estonia
- Iron Age Estonia
- Medieval Estonia

I separated Early Neolithic Iberia from Middle/Late Neolithic Iberia.

I added more samples to Chalcolithic Iberia.

Palermo Trapani
11-03-21, 18:12
My results with update are consistent with earlier results: 3 and 4 way population restricted model and unrestricted model are the same as reported in post 19.



Distance to:
PalermoTrapani


1.62473465
76.60% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 23.40% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


1.76042284
79.00% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 21.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


1.88133259
14.80% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 85.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.96875111
26.80% Etruscans_(n=3) + 73.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.12602696
14.80% Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44) + 85.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.55260459
14.80% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 85.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.74505064
13.20% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6) + 86.80% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.77909149
15.60% Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 84.40% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.83854812
24.60% Villanovans_(n=2) + 75.40% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.87891152
19.20% Latins_(n=4) + 80.80% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.91453906
14.20% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 85.80% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.95826576
12.80% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=19) + 87.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.02577571
14.60% LBA_Hungary_(n=6) + 85.40% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.12311873
19.20% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 80.80% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.18644211
75.40% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 24.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


3.18786574
12.00% Neolithic_Britain_(n=34) + 88.00% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.23742948
15.60% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 84.40% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.28527754
13.40% Megalithic_Europe_(=24) + 86.60% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.47489435
89.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 10.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


3.48389700
11.40% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 88.60% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.49166773
13.40% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=64) + 86.60% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.53552150
11.80% MBA_Britain_(n=22) + 88.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.55699617
75.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 24.20% Yamna_culture_(n=13)


3.70940543
9.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 90.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.71805264
11.00% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 89.00% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)







Distance to:
PalermoTrapani


6.82852107
Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


12.60896506
Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


17.99539663
Etruscans_(n=3)


18.82482404
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


19.24242448
Villanovans_(n=2)


19.78511814
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


20.23252332
Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)


20.42150092
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)


20.59513292
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


20.89875116
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


21.69899306
Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


21.78769148
Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)


23.68327047
Scythians_(n=19)


24.30765929
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15)


24.80014314
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


25.88580499
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


26.16070718
Early_Neolithic_LBK_culture_(n=17)


26.25811113
Latins_(n=4)


30.76974488
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)


31.52352772
Neolithic_Italy_(n=17)


32.86607674
Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


33.76307747
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


33.99244622
Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


35.84552413
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


36.34875376
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)

Stuvanè
11-03-21, 23:40
Dear all/Maciamo,


I apologise, I probably missed a few passages and some perplexity arose, in particular on the samples and averages of Villanovan, Etruscan and other samples of the Peninsula.


1) If I remember correctly, what we call Villanovan is not a people but primarily a material culture, corresponding to the oldest phase of Etruscan civilization. In simple terms, the Villanovans are nothing but Etruscans to all intents and purposes (the Etruscans of the first hour), so it escapes me the need to distinguish them from the rest, taking into account, however, that R475 is an outlier with a very likely partial North African/Punic-Sardinian ancestry. Is this meant to be a chronological/geographical distinction?


2) Consequently, I have some doubts about the reconstruction of the Villanovan Middle Stone Age itself, which - if I have not misunderstood - is elaborated by combining the Veio sample R1015 (Etruscan) with the Martinsicuro proto-Villanovan R1, which is a Proto-Picen (perhaps also partly Balkan, if I remember correctly), and in any case something that can be traced with much more certainty to proto-Italic invasions and to the flows of peoples directly descending from the Urnfields groups.

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/159758372_907798203382993_1035300880398989226_n.pn g?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=pIyfOeTmSj0AX_Qe19n&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=45a04995f55315442b72d4c0d1935790&oe=607190C4


To recapitulate: if we admit that the Villanovans are already Etruscans, and ethnic Etruscans in general are intermediate to northern Italy and the Iberian territories, I do not understand the inclusion of R1 to create the average Villanovan.


I kindly ask for clarification, thank you :)

Salento
11-03-21, 23:43
... a Question:

... Do any of you know the Dodecad K12 coordinates of the five Foggia VK ?

... thanks in advance :)

torzio
12-03-21, 01:50
Dear all/Maciamo,


I apologise, I probably missed a few passages and some perplexity arose, in particular on the samples and averages of Villanovan, Etruscan and other samples of the Peninsula.


1) If I remember correctly, what we call Villanovan is not a people but primarily a material culture, corresponding to the oldest phase of Etruscan civilization. In simple terms, the Villanovans are nothing but Etruscans to all intents and purposes (the Etruscans of the first hour), so it escapes me the need to distinguish them from the rest, taking into account, however, that R475 is an outlier with a very likely partial North African/Punic-Sardinian ancestry. Is this meant to be a chronological/geographical distinction?


2) Consequently, I have some doubts about the reconstruction of the Villanovan Middle Stone Age itself, which - if I have not misunderstood - is elaborated by combining the Veio sample R1015 (Etruscan) with the Martinsicuro proto-Villanovan R1, which is a Proto-Picen (perhaps also partly Balkan, if I remember correctly), and in any case something that can be traced with much more certainty to proto-Italic invasions and to the flows of peoples directly descending from the Urnfields groups.

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/159758372_907798203382993_1035300880398989226_n.pn g?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=pIyfOeTmSj0AX_Qe19n&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=45a04995f55315442b72d4c0d1935790&oe=607190C4


To recapitulate: if we admit that the Villanovans are already Etruscans, and ethnic Etruscans in general are intermediate to northern Italy and the Iberian territories, I do not understand the inclusion of R1 to create the average Villanovan.


I kindly ask for clarification, thank you :)


Which are the 2 x Villanovans ? ..................these below or others?

R1 .....the Liburnian woman found in the picene colony ...mtdna U5a2b

https://i.postimg.cc/85ySYHwq/r1.png (https://postimg.cc/gX6QX3CD)

and

R1015, Villanovan, 900 - 800 BCE another woman mtdna K1a4


................................

R1 is not an etruscan

Szigmund
12-03-21, 08:45
Thank you for your work!



Distance to:
Szigmund


3.57528020
33.20% Mesolithic_East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=10) + 66.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


3.74478970
38.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 61.40% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


4.01848442
56.80% Villanovans_(n=2) + 43.20% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


4.03009538
38.60% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16) + 61.40% Villanovans_(n=2)


4.32423241
34.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 66.00% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


4.49515427
34.00% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 66.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


4.55281811
58.00% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=19) + 42.00% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


4.80391525
26.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 73.80% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


4.87737068
34.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 65.80% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


4.88411880
71.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 28.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


4.96480532
53.60% Villanovans_(n=2) + 46.40% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


4.96686394
35.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 64.80% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


5.03920533
38.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 61.60% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


5.14595396
35.60% Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 64.40% Villanovans_(n=2)


5.15016751
41.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 58.20% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


5.34913699
55.40% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 44.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)


5.38072263
40.00% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 60.00% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


5.45262088
43.00% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 57.00% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


5.50728686
46.40% Mesolithic_East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=10) + 53.60% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


5.51826816
43.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 56.80% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)


5.59422563
37.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 62.80% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


5.60960869
44.60% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 55.40% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)


5.64980136
47.60% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 52.40% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)


5.69606973
26.40% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 73.60% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


5.74239895
49.40% Mesolithic_East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=10) + 50.60% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)






Distance to:
Szigmund


6.78960234
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


9.93072001
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


10.28072955
Chernyakhiv_culture_(n=3)


12.12694933
Lombards_(n=28)


12.20028278
Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


12.65258472
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


13.71308135
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


14.47679177
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


14.64909212
Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


14.73665498
Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


15.65188487
MBA_Britain_(n=22)


16.25617421
Unetice_culture_(n=18)


16.36015587
EBA_Britain_(n=28)


17.19487133
Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)


17.42999713
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


17.90477311
Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)


19.17944994
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


19.44323790
Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


20.56440128
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)


21.43129721
Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


21.88670830
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


22.21206429
Cimmerians_(n=6)


23.51377256
LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)


23.70120250
Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


23.75791237
Villanovans_(n=2)







Target: Szigmund
Distance: 2.1291% / 2.12906296



35.5
Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)





23.7
Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)





22.4
Latins_(n=4)





10.8
Yamna_culture_(n=13)





7.6
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)





Now I'm REALLY need help how to interpret the outcome.

Stuvanè
12-03-21, 10:59
Which are the 2 x Villanovans ? ..................these below or others?

R1 .....the Liburnian woman found in the picene colony ...mtdna U5a2b

https://i.postimg.cc/85ySYHwq/r1.png (https://postimg.cc/gX6QX3CD)

and

R1015, Villanovan, 900 - 800 BCE another woman mtdna K1a4


................................

R1 is not an etruscan


@Torzio,


this is precisely the point, I'm aware that the Martinsicuro woman R1 belongs to a group quite distinct from the Etruscans.
But here the "Villanovan" average is the result of the values of R1 with R1015.

https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/ancient_italy.shtml

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/160350916_205372504677162_11303029215481574_n.png? _nc_cat=102&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=4oFb1XgajsAAX-CpXqF&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=288b4dca4ec0f09af380da3ce2d1fdff&oe=606F96B7


It's therefore not clear to me why the Martinsicuro sample should be included.
Unfortunately, the terms Protovillanovan and Villanovan are more confusing here...

Maciamo
12-03-21, 13:32
I just added:

- Chalcolithic Caucasus
- Chalcolithic Steppe
- Kura-Araxes
- Maykop
- Catacomb culture

I separated Neolithic Italy into EN Italy, MN Sicily and MN Sardinia.

Jovialis
12-03-21, 14:49
Excellent update, my latest results has been slightly changed:

I used to get Minoan + Yamnaya as number 1, but it was bumped down by a very similar modeling; Minoan + Catacomb Culture.

https://i.imgur.com/8T3F7Ai.png
https://i.imgur.com/M5noCkt.png

Jovialis
12-03-21, 15:35
Excellent update, my latest results has been slightly changed:

I used to get Minoan + Yamnaya as number 1, but it was bumped down by a very similar modeling; Minoan + Catacomb Culture.

https://i.imgur.com/8T3F7Ai.png
https://i.imgur.com/M5noCkt.png

"Evidence of Catacomb influence has been discovered far outside of the Pontic steppe. Its burial chambers, metal types and figurines are very similar to those appearing in Italy and the eastern Mediterranean, while the hammer-head pin, a characteristic ornament of the Catacomb culture, has been found in Central Europe and Italy. Based on these similarities, migrations or cultural diffusion from the Catacomb culture to these areas have been suggested.[1] Similarities between the Catacomb culture and Mycenaean Greece are particularly striking. These include types of socketed spear-heads, types of cheekpieces for horses, and the custom of making masks for the dead.[13]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catacomb_culture"

Duarte
12-03-21, 15:44
:good_job:
In my case the changes happened in the mixed modes Xway, 7way, 6way, 5way, 4way, 3way, 2way (this one not changed), with some new populations displayed.



Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.8475% / 2.84753984



29.5
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





29.2
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





10.7
Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)





8.4
EBA_Britain_(n=28)





5.8
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)





5.2
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





5.2
Ostrogoths_(n=3)





4.3
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)





1.7
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.8399% / 2.83994822 | R7P



30.9
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





28.7
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





20.9
EBA_Britain_(n=28)





6.3
Ostrogoths_(n=3)





5.1
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)





4.9
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





3.2
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.8419% / 2.84191193 | R6P



31.2
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





29.8
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





19.6
EBA_Britain_(n=28)





10.3
Ostrogoths_(n=3)





4.7
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)





4.4
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.9098% / 2.90978853 | R5P



33.4
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





28.7
MBA_Britain_(n=22)





27.8
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





5.6
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)





4.5
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.9842% / 2.98416423 | R4P



42.7
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





27.5
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





25.2
EBA_Britain_(n=28)





4.6
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.2280% / 3.22797851 | R3P



49.5
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)





43.8
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





6.7
MLBA_North_Caucasus_(n=11)







Target: Duarte (not changed)
Distance: 4.6642% / 4.66417136 | R2P



52.4
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





47.6
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)

torzio
12-03-21, 16:51
@Torzio,


this is precisely the point, I'm aware that the Martinsicuro woman R1 belongs to a group quite distinct from the Etruscans.
But here the "Villanovan" average is the result of the values of R1 with R1015.

https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/ancient_italy.shtml

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/160350916_205372504677162_11303029215481574_n.png? _nc_cat=102&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=4oFb1XgajsAAX-CpXqF&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=288b4dca4ec0f09af380da3ce2d1fdff&oe=606F96B7


It's therefore not clear to me why the Martinsicuro sample should be included.
Unfortunately, the terms Protovillanovan and Villanovan are more confusing here...


Agree

R1 should be with SZ1 .....late bronze age sample ......................( MTA states this SZ1 as 700AD, which looks all wrong )

If R1 is supposed to be proto-Villanovan...so should SZ1

torzio
12-03-21, 16:57
I just added:

- Chalcolithic Caucasus
- Chalcolithic Steppe
- Kura-Araxes
- Maykop
- Catacomb culture

I separated Neolithic Italy into EN Italy, MN Sicily and MN Sardinia.


you should separate your first line of your data as there are 2 samples there


my results........only changes appear below ...................distance did not change




Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 0.5452% / 0.54520574





23.0
Lombards_(n=28)






13.3
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)






10.5
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)






9.0
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)






8.4
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)






7.0
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)






6.1
Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)






6.0
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)






5.9
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)






3.8
Unetice_culture_(n=18)






3.5
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)






3.5
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)









Distance to:
Torziok12b


1.32271482
38.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 61.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.64679071
54.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.73354583
39.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 60.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.73485819
63.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 37.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.77723273
36.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 64.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.84345179
47.00% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 53.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.85816164
49.20% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 50.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.92274543
50.00% EBA_Britain_(n=28) + 50.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.99577565
53.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 46.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.04662315
13.00% Catacomb_culture_(n=4) + 87.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.07154006
39.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 60.60% Lombards_(n=28)


2.11079009
13.20% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 86.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.12848251
12.60% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3) + 87.40% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.12911940
45.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 54.20% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


2.16365463
46.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 53.40% Lombards_(n=28)


2.19754361
56.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 44.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


2.23190121
42.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 57.40% EBA_Britain_(n=28)


2.35347041
60.20% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 39.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.36057621
56.60% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 43.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


2.44643528
48.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 52.00% MBA_Britain_(n=22)


2.47300736
14.00% Poltavka_culture_(n=8) + 86.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.51334656
46.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


2.56617541
46.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 53.80% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)


2.57502390
52.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 47.40% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


2.59523613
55.60% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 44.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)

Salento
12-03-21, 17:26
mine hasn't changed much, ... so I’ll compare some Raw-Data instead:

- Salento it's a combination of files I used in this thread,

- 23andme v4 + v5 combined,

- NatGeo

- AncestryDNA

... except for distance, the 2WAY results don't change much:

Top 10s
https://i.imgur.com/ZJ4My0U.jpg

Jovialis
12-03-21, 19:35
"Evidence of Catacomb influence has been discovered far outside of the Pontic steppe. Its burial chambers, metal types and figurines are very similar to those appearing in Italy and the eastern Mediterranean, while the hammer-head pin, a characteristic ornament of the Catacomb culture, has been found in Central Europe and Italy. Based on these similarities, migrations or cultural diffusion from the Catacomb culture to these areas have been suggested.[1] Similarities between the Catacomb culture and Mycenaean Greece are particularly striking. These include types of socketed spear-heads, types of cheekpieces for horses, and the custom of making masks for the dead.[13]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catacomb_culture"

https://i.imgur.com/eQlZb92.png

I would like to see DNA samples on Laterza culture one day.

blevins13
12-03-21, 19:50
Agree

R1 should be with SZ1 .....late bronze age sample ......................( MTA states this SZ1 as 700AD, which looks all wrong )

If R1 is supposed to be proto-Villanovan...so should SZ1

Yes I agree SZ1 I classified wrongly as Avar from 700 A.D.


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AlfonsoVIII
12-03-21, 21:38
My results:

Distance:

32.70028899 BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)

33.85032644 Western_Scythians_(n=28)

34.01211843 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)

34.05055359 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)

35.30625582 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)

35.45073765 Villanovans_(n=2)

35.82748665 Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)

36.02320641 Etruscans_(n=3)

36.10753799 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)

36.36019389 Ostrogoths_(n=3)

36.42989295 Latins_(n=4)

37.60517119 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)

37.85482664 MBA_Britain_(n=22)

38.20985475 Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)

38.22042648 Cimmerians_(n=6)

38.46362697 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)

38.75082064 EBA_Britain_(n=28)

38.88620321 Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)

39.14861173 Sarmatians_(n=14)

39.56673729 Lombards_(n=28)

39.68824133 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)

39.93865922 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)

40.50886076 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)

40.63620922 Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)

40.67283000 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)

Percenteages:

18.43520226 40.80% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 59.20% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)

18.49412745 41.60% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 58.40% Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)

19.44807658 45.00% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 55.00% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)

19.46471512 41.20% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 58.80% LBA_Hungary_(n=6)

19.51839899 37.60% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 62.40% Latins_(n=4)

19.52789010 37.20% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 62.80% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)

20.34474256 37.20% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 62.80% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)

20.68643409 33.40% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 66.60% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)

20.78745284 34.80% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 65.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)

20.93619627 46.20% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 53.80% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=44)

21.14441107 36.00% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 64.00% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)

21.17860239 47.40% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 52.60% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)

21.39873767 45.00% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 55.00% Megalithic_Europe_(n=24)

21.40343085 40.80% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 59.20% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)

21.51393351 46.60% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 53.40% Neolithic_Britain_(n=62)

21.79978195 36.00% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 64.00% Villanovans_(n=2)

22.03039453 45.60% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 54.40% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58)

22.23800865 34.20% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 65.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)

22.25098810 46.40% Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=8) + 53.60% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3)

22.38131126 47.80% Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10) + 52.20% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3)

22.60622621 47.60% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 52.40% Middle-Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12)

22.64439532 36.20% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 63.80% Etruscans_(n=3)

22.88325203 51.20% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3) + 48.80% Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13)

22.90482420 45.40% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 54.60% Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19)

23.14797200 37.80% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 62.20% MBA_Britain_(n=22)

Northener
12-03-21, 22:10
I have spent most of the last week calculating the the average values for the K12b admixtures for most of the ancient genomes tested to date. I thank Jovialis for providing me the genomes converted in the right format to run the K12b on Admixture-Studio. You will find the table in the page Genomic analysis of ancient Europeans (https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/genomic_analysis_ancient_europeans.shtml). I provided an introduction on how to interpret the K12b admixtures.

The purpose of this page is to provide average values for various ancient European populations, which can be used by anyone who has tested their genome (https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/which_ancestry_dna_test_to_choose.shtml) to compare their own admixture (https://www.eupedia.com/europe/dna_project_faq.shtml#autosomal_admixtures) with these modals on Vahaduo (https://bit.ly/Vahaduo). Averages for a given (historical or modern) population are more useful and representative than individual results due to the potentially high level of interpersonal variations in a society.

This is a good alternative to MyTrueAncestry. In fact, I have found the K12b admixtures to be considerably more reliable than the genetic distance computed by MyTrueAncestry. For example when comparing the Corded Ware genomes (https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/corded_ware_culture.shtml) with modern population, K12b gives Poles, Russians and Belarussians as the closest matches to the western Corded Ware (Germany) and Finns, Karelians and Estonians for the eastern Corded Ware. In contrast, the closest matches on MyTrueAncestry were the British, Irish and Dutch for the western Corded Ware, which does not make much sense as it was an R1a-dominant culture and the Brits, Irish and Dutch are all R1b-dominant and descended from the Bell Beaker and Unetice.

I also found many inconsistencies in MyTrueAncestry for the results of Medieval Germanic tribes. The closest match to the 6th-century Ostrogoths were the Swedes and English. Yet the 6th-century Ostrogoths were already mixed with Huns and Balkans people. The K12b admixtures give a more probable match to modern Hungarians, Austrians, Slovenes and Croats.

So if you want reliable ancient matches, I would urge you to trust more Dodecad K12b than MyTrueAncestry.

Thanks for developing.
Feels like going back in time...with Gedmatch!


The result looks neat:

https://i.postimg.cc/CLXMCMsJ/Schermafbeelding-2021-03-12-om-21-31-04.png (https://postimg.cc/ykhzsH5S)

https://i.postimg.cc/gcBGdcQd/Schermafbeelding-2021-03-12-om-21-30-41.png (https://postimg.cc/3WpsFh3b)

https://i.postimg.cc/L4vGFyq1/Schermafbeelding-2021-03-12-om-21-48-57.png (https://postimg.cc/4n7WzQQf)

Duarte
12-03-21, 22:33
:good_job:
In my case the changes happened in the mixed modes Xway, 7way, 6way, 5way, 4way, 3way, 2way (this one not changed), with some new populations displayed.



Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.8475% / 2.84753984



29.5
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





29.2
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





10.7
Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)





8.4
EBA_Britain_(n=28)





5.8
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)





5.2
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





5.2
Ostrogoths_(n=3)





4.3
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)





1.7
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.8399% / 2.83994822 | R7P



30.9
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





28.7
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





20.9
EBA_Britain_(n=28)





6.3
Ostrogoths_(n=3)





5.1
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)





4.9
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





3.2
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.8419% / 2.84191193 | R6P



31.2
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





29.8
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





19.6
EBA_Britain_(n=28)





10.3
Ostrogoths_(n=3)





4.7
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)





4.4
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.9098% / 2.90978853 | R5P



33.4
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





28.7
MBA_Britain_(n=22)





27.8
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





5.6
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)





4.5
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.9842% / 2.98416423 | R4P



42.7
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





27.5
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





25.2
EBA_Britain_(n=28)





4.6
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.2280% / 3.22797851 | R3P



49.5
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)





43.8
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





6.7
MLBA_North_Caucasus_(n=11)







Target: Duarte (not changed)
Distance: 4.6642% / 4.66417136 | R2P



52.4
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





47.6
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)








Comparsion: Added penalties (ADD DIST COL, variation from 0 to 2) instead to reduce number of populatios (REDUCE, variation from 2P to 7P) as I have done above.



Distance to:
Duarte


6.17150711
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.71266713
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.86048341
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.27186764
Latins_(n=4)


12.12435978
Villanovans_(n=2)


14.05696980
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


15.13849068
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


15.30209790
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.31625933
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


15.62434319
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


15.87606059
Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)


16.49046998
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


16.58959915
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


18.93396947
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


21.80919989
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


22.92128923
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)


22.94319289
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


23.82327643
Megalithic_Europe_(n=24)


24.01004581
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


24.60763906
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


25.98923239
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


26.16566835
Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19)


26.20060305
Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58)


26.29432258
MBA_Britain_(n=22)


26.34415305
Lombards_(n=28)






Distance to:
Duarte


4.66417136
47.60% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 52.40% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.18746490
22.80% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 77.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.19626512
42.80% Chalcolithic-BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 57.20% Ostrogoths_(n=3)


5.35883970
21.20% Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44) + 78.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.51279033
82.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9) + 17.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.63868310
8.20% Chalcolithic-BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.65769754
12.00% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=44) + 88.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.66006917
11.00% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 89.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.67109585
5.80% Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5) + 94.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.71683513
6.00% Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=8) + 94.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.71835463
46.80% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 53.20% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.73125619
6.40% Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10) + 93.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.77176237
7.60% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=44) + 92.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.77419747
6.80% Middle-Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12) + 93.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78342255
6.60% Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13) + 93.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78479561
6.80% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 93.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.80326564
46.40% Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44) + 53.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.80845669
7.60% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58) + 92.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.81776672
7.20% Neolithic_Britain_(n=62) + 92.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.81831970
13.20% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6) + 86.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.82309411
8.20% Megalithic_Europe_(n=24) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.84359788
7.20% Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19) + 92.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.91830982
10.60% Neolithic_Britain_(n=62) + 89.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.94935414
45.20% LBA_Hungary_(n=6) + 54.80% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.98550837
11.60% Megalithic_Europe_(n=24) + 88.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)






Target: Duarte
Distance: 6.1715% / 6.17150711 | ADC: 2x RC



100.0
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 6.0274% / 6.02742278 | ADC: 1x RC



69.0
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)





31.0
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.0408% / 4.04081691 | ADC: 0.5x RC



35.7
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





33.8
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)





30.5
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.3150% / 3.31496719 | ADC: 0.25x RC



43.8
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





36.6
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)





15.0
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)





2.6
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





2.0
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.8481% / 2.84809051



29.9
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





27.6
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





11.1
EBA_Britain_(n=28)





8.8
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)





6.5
Ostrogoths_(n=3)





5.6
Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)





5.1
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





3.7
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)





1.7
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)

Northener
12-03-21, 22:39
Mom and Dad

https://i.postimg.cc/bvCqJzrQ/Schermafbeelding-2021-03-12-om-21-34-35.png (https://postimg.cc/R3HkpxcF)
https://i.postimg.cc/nh3yK3xx/Schermafbeelding-2021-03-12-om-21-33-53.png (https://postimg.cc/21B9rF39)


https://i.postimg.cc/KzBpWN6R/Schermafbeelding-2021-03-12-om-21-37-24.png (https://postimg.cc/TL2cLrY6)https://i.postimg.cc/jddv6tSW/Schermafbeelding-2021-03-12-om-21-37-43.png (https://postimg.cc/s1qpsFSy)

italouruguayan
12-03-21, 22:54
Distance to: italouruguayan

11.56324781 Western_Scythians_(n=28)
16.23768764 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
16.91561409 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
17.22619517 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
17.89198424 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
19.14316327 Villanovans_(n=2)
19.54538309 BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
19.86298819 Etruscans_(n=3)
21.62285365 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
22.57669816 Cimmerians_(n=6)
22.99249008 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
23.95887101 Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
24.54381592 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
24.58744802 Latins_(n=4)
25.13049741 Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
25.33739134 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
26.33592983 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
27.15390580 Lombards_(n=28)
27.68604522 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
28.13606227 MBA_Britain_(n=22)
28.74993739 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
29.18052433 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
29.95861979 Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)
30.08887336 Sarmatians_(n=14)
30.54951718 Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)

Distance to: italouruguayan

4.53495990 61.00% Etruscans_(n=3) + 39.00% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)
5.93956569 62.20% Villanovans_(n=2) + 37.80% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)
6.21140690 33.40% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12) + 66.60% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
6.64516574 62.60% Western_Scythians_(n=28) + 37.40% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
6.91277201 42.40% Cimmerians_(n=6) + 57.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
7.13807485 49.20% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 50.80% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)
7.24714435 38.40% Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9) + 61.60% Cimmerians_(n=6)
7.25838844 51.60% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 48.40% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)
7.34318874 81.20% Western_Scythians_(n=28) + 18.80% Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)
7.36934549 34.40% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12) + 65.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
7.63149709 36.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 63.60% Cimmerians_(n=6)
7.63852939 37.60% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 62.40% Cimmerians_(n=6)
7.68116789 41.00% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 59.00% Cimmerians_(n=6)
7.73430709 27.80% Bronze_Age_Kola_peninsula_(n=6) + 72.20% Etruscans_(n=3)
7.74037098 34.80% Early_Neolithic_LBK_culture_(n=17) + 65.20% Cimmerians_(n=6)
7.91299903 35.20% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12) + 64.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
8.05265861 35.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 65.00% Cimmerians_(n=6)
8.10300523 34.20% Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10) + 65.80% Cimmerians_(n=6)
8.15928037 24.20% Bronze_Age_Kola_peninsula_(n=6) + 75.80% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
8.17103614 46.40% Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9) + 53.60% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)
8.18346655 53.80% Etruscans_(n=3) + 46.20% Cimmerians_(n=6)
8.18442080 35.20% Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10) + 64.80% Cimmerians_(n=6)
8.34206969 19.20% Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9) + 80.80% Western_Scythians_(n=28)
8.34643522 17.40% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15) + 82.60% Western_Scythians_(n=28)
8.38563698 16.60% Early_Neolithic_LBK_culture_(n=17) + 83.40% Western_Scythians_(n=28)

In my particular case, surely my Native American component skews the results to the east ...

Salento
12-03-21, 23:32
2way with “ADD DIST COL 2X” (... others don't work, as of now)

Minoans - W.Scythians :)
https://i.imgur.com/VqMgCmy.jpg

... default 2way: Baltic Scandinavia Italian_Greeks
https://i.imgur.com/SyjUumL.jpg

Angela
12-03-21, 23:52
No change:


Distance to:
Angela


6.58167152
Villanovans_(n=2)


7.96705717
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.89617165
Latins_(n=4)


13.13808205
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


13.49591049
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


13.54544942
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


14.35290215
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


16.75045373
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


17.63364682
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


18.23290981
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


18.34038713
Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)


20.64124996
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


21.32677660
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)


22.45266131
Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10)


23.32025086
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


23.48813956
Early_Neolithic_LBK_culture_(n=17)


23.68992824
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


23.79259339
Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10)


23.92374344
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


24.12355281
Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)


24.50708673
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


25.08354640
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


25.38777265
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


25.73152735
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


25.79494912
Western_Scythians_(n=28)



Of course, another way of looking at it is that the Latins were a combination of a population similar to Mycenaeans or Minoans or a similar, farmer heavy Copper Age population (the completely farmer like Parma Beaker), plus something resembling Gauls. No two way admixture results are meant to be taken completely literally, of course. No Northern Italians are descended from Spaniards from Spain during the rule of the Visigoths. That's important to keep in mind.

torzio
13-03-21, 00:15
you should separate your first line of your data as there are 2 samples there


my results........only changes appear below ...................distance did not change




Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 0.5452% / 0.54520574




23.0
Lombards_(n=28)






13.3
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)






10.5
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)






9.0
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)






8.4
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)






7.0
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)






6.1
Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)






6.0
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)






5.9
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)






3.8
Unetice_culture_(n=18)






3.5
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)






3.5
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)









Distance to:
Torziok12b


1.32271482
38.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 61.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)



1.64679071
54.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.73354583
39.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 60.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.73485819
63.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 37.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.77723273
36.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 64.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.84345179
47.00% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 53.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.85816164
49.20% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 50.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.92274543
50.00% EBA_Britain_(n=28) + 50.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.99577565
53.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 46.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.04662315
13.00% Catacomb_culture_(n=4) + 87.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.07154006
39.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 60.60% Lombards_(n=28)


2.11079009
13.20% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 86.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.12848251
12.60% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3) + 87.40% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.12911940
45.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 54.20% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


2.16365463
46.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 53.40% Lombards_(n=28)


2.19754361
56.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 44.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


2.23190121
42.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 57.40% EBA_Britain_(n=28)


2.35347041
60.20% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 39.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.36057621
56.60% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 43.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


2.44643528
48.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 52.00% MBA_Britain_(n=22)


2.47300736
14.00% Poltavka_culture_(n=8) + 86.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.51334656
46.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


2.56617541
46.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 53.80% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)


2.57502390
52.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 47.40% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


2.59523613
55.60% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 44.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)




interesting is the new addition to myself of Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths

I have always had some eastern Europe or northern Balkan in my admixture, but never had any Slav .............these Goths are in paper below ( which includes the Friulian Alpine samples from other papers )

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-43183-w

torzio
13-03-21, 00:18
2way with “ADD DIST COL 2X” (... others don't work, as of now)

Minoans - W.Scythians :)
https://i.imgur.com/VqMgCmy.jpg

... default 2way: Baltic Scandinavia Italian_Greeks
https://i.imgur.com/SyjUumL.jpg




Western Scythians = Getae Thracians on the Black sea ......anywhere from Moldova , through Romania to northern Bulgaria all along the Black sea

Angela
13-03-21, 01:07
No change:


Distance to:
Angela


6.58167152
Villanovans_(n=2)


7.96705717
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.89617165
Latins_(n=4)


13.13808205
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


13.49591049
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


13.54544942
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


14.35290215
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


16.75045373
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


17.63364682
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


18.23290981
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


18.34038713
Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)


20.64124996
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


21.32677660
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)


22.45266131
Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10)


23.32025086
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


23.48813956
Early_Neolithic_LBK_culture_(n=17)


23.68992824
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


23.79259339
Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10)


23.92374344
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


24.12355281
Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)


24.50708673
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


25.08354640
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


25.38777265
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


25.73152735
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


25.79494912
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


Of course, another way of looking at it is that the Latins were a combination of a population similar to Mycenaeans or Minoans or a similar, farmer heavy Copper Age population (the completely farmer like Parma Beaker), plus something resembling Gauls. No two way admixture results are meant to be taken completely literally, of course. No Northern Italians are descended from Spaniards from Spain during the rule of the Visigoths. That's important to keep in mind.

Sorry, forgot the one way and two way:



Target: Angela
Distance: 0.9546% / 0.95457195 | ADC: 0.25x RC



51.1
Latins_(n=4)





23.8
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)





17.2
Villanovans_(n=2)





4.4
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)





3.5
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)








Target: Angela
Distance: 2.5302% / 2.53019522 | ADC: 0.5x RC



73.2
Villanovans_(n=2)





26.8
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)





The above two are a little different but it's still majority Bronze or Iron Age Italians with about 20-25% "Mycenaean like".

The two way is basically the same.


Distance to:
Angela


1.92071940
36.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 63.60% Latins_(n=4)


2.37200753
60.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 39.60% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


2.53019522
26.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 73.20% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.65448504
80.40% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 19.60% Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)


2.73060830
19.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 81.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


3.07680600
58.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 41.20% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


3.15678046
19.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 80.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


3.32187667
21.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 78.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


3.42006999
58.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 41.60% LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


3.46079896
49.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 50.40% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


3.63264342
47.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 52.20% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


3.66069060
61.80% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 38.20% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


3.69109049
60.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 39.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


3.73183551
53.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 47.00% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


3.75067389
36.60% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 63.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.75391058
51.80% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 48.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


3.76884374
49.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 50.60% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


3.82840221
40.80% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 59.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.86059777
62.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 38.00% Lombards_(n=28)


3.93832949
58.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 41.80% MBA_Britain_(n=22)


3.94714773
71.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 28.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


3.96712040
68.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 31.40% MBA_Britain_(n=22)


3.98161434
66.80% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 33.20% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


3.99801750
40.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 59.20% Latins_(n=4)


4.06184353
66.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 33.60% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)



The 67% Early Anatolian farmer and 33% Unetice Culture is interresting, but bigger distance, of course.


Target: Angela
Distance: 0.9546% / 0.95457195 | ADC: 0.25x RC



51.1
Latins_(n=4)





23.8
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)





17.2
Villanovans_(n=2)





4.4
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)





3.5
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)

Salento
13-03-21, 01:10
Western Scythians = Getae Thracians on the Black sea ......anywhere from Moldova , through Romania to northern Bulgaria all along the Black sea

... by increasing the distances, I got the Golden Man domain and King Minos, lol

... on my normal results, the Baltic Scandinavia and Italian-Greeks combo is kind of “interesting”, ...though there were VK in Puglia, I assume it is Northern Italian related, though I’m the only one getting that combo, ... I don’t know if that is still the case.

edit:

also down the line Jovialis and I both get the Swedish Vikings, that I assume might be kind of related to the Baltic Scandinavian

torzio
13-03-21, 03:05
... by increasing the distances, I got the Golden Man domain and King Minos, lol

... on my normal results, the Baltic Scandinavia and Italian-Greeks combo is kind of “interesting”, ...though there were VK in Puglia, I assume it is Northern Italian related, though I’m the only one getting that combo, ... I don’t know if that is still the case.

edit:

also down the line Jovialis and I both get the Swedish Vikings, that I assume might be kind of related to the Baltic Scandinavian


ok

But I think this Goth link for me is for my mtdna ............I have current mtdna matches with Scania and Gotland Sweden plus alpine Italy and Austria...about 50-50 split

I still think our ydna is a northern balkan to black sea plus central european mix ( my opinion )

Regio X
13-03-21, 03:54
With the updated data...

Maternal Uncle - FTDNA data
Uncle_FTDNA,3.90,0,1.62,0.10,35.16,31.01,0.03,0,4. 81,0,23.37,0



Distance to:
Uncle_FTDNA


9.29159836
Villanovans_(n=2)


12.32132298
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


12.96923282
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


13.85721473
Etruscans_(n=3)


14.29645760
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


15.00647527
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.02249979
Latins_(n=4)


15.61958706
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


16.10063974
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


16.69472671
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


17.96275591
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


19.17189871
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


20.70667767
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


20.73690430
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


21.33879097
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


22.42305956
Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


23.06991331
Lombards_(n=28)


23.70492987
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


25.17092172
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


25.25390465
MBA_Britain_(n=22)


26.01657549
Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)


26.07871162
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


26.86052494
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


27.19549779
EBA_Britain_(n=28)


27.92090794
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)



2WAY



Distance to:
Uncle_FTDNA


2.74931552
48.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 52.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.13281830
50.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 49.60% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


3.31214402
44.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 55.40% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


3.34067284
39.40% West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=19) + 60.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.58629843
43.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 56.80% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


3.82221553
36.00% Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 64.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.87730099
24.80% Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9) + 75.20% LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


3.90159679
22.80% Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3) + 77.20% LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


3.96951965
57.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 42.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


4.08558922
45.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 54.80% Lombards_(n=28)


4.22081416
11.80% East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=10) + 88.20% Villanovans_(n=2)


4.33392379
44.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 55.60% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


4.38663255
13.40% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16) + 86.60% Villanovans_(n=2)


4.44037898
85.00% Villanovans_(n=2) + 15.00% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


4.45181000
60.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 39.60% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


4.46089504
57.80% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 42.20% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


4.49024802
46.60% West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=19) + 53.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


4.50061939
11.80% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 88.20% Villanovans_(n=2)


4.51661911
64.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 35.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


4.51860164
53.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 46.40% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)


4.56456978
45.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 55.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


4.57070703
55.60% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 44.40% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


4.71449883
61.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 39.00% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)


4.78178588
12.20% Baltic-Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 87.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


4.79271041
11.80% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3) + 88.20% Villanovans_(n=2)



Again, relatively high distances, as my in-law's. (Compared to my parents' and mine.)

Northener
13-03-21, 10:13
I have spent most of the last week calculating the the average values for the K12b admixtures for most of the ancient genomes tested to date. I thank Jovialis for providing me the genomes converted in the right format to run the K12b on Admixture-Studio. You will find the table in the page Genomic analysis of ancient Europeans (https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/genomic_analysis_ancient_europeans.shtml). I provided an introduction on how to interpret the K12b admixtures.

The purpose of this page is to provide average values for various ancient European populations, which can be used by anyone who has tested their genome (https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/which_ancestry_dna_test_to_choose.shtml) to compare their own admixture (https://www.eupedia.com/europe/dna_project_faq.shtml#autosomal_admixtures) with these modals on Vahaduo (https://bit.ly/Vahaduo). Averages for a given (historical or modern) population are more useful and representative than individual results due to the potentially high level of interpersonal variations in a society.

This is a good alternative to MyTrueAncestry. In fact, I have found the K12b admixtures to be considerably more reliable than the genetic distance computed by MyTrueAncestry. For example when comparing the Corded Ware genomes (https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/corded_ware_culture.shtml) with modern population, K12b gives Poles, Russians and Belarussians as the closest matches to the western Corded Ware (Germany) and Finns, Karelians and Estonians for the eastern Corded Ware. In contrast, the closest matches on MyTrueAncestry were the British, Irish and Dutch for the western Corded Ware, which does not make much sense as it was an R1a-dominant culture and the Brits, Irish and Dutch are all R1b-dominant and descended from the Bell Beaker and Unetice.

I also found many inconsistencies in MyTrueAncestry for the results of Medieval Germanic tribes. The closest match to the 6th-century Ostrogoths were the Swedes and English. Yet the 6th-century Ostrogoths were already mixed with Huns and Balkans people. The K12b admixtures give a more probable match to modern Hungarians, Austrians, Slovenes and Croats.

So if you want reliable ancient matches, I would urge you to trust more Dodecad K12b than MyTrueAncestry.

Interesting development.

But I get the impression because the basis is an old calculator it still is kind of rough.

In my case for example the dominant figure is Nordic Bronze Age and Lombard. Besides that the time lapses are thousands of years and the the regions of origin kind of overlapping. The percentages and distances are very changing.....

Northerner
https://i.postimg.cc/yYHqp09J/Schermafbeelding-2021-03-13-om-08-59-41.png (https://postimg.cc/yWvrkgLB)

Dad
https://i.postimg.cc/137jSFgr/Schermafbeelding-2021-03-13-om-09-00-07.png (https://postimg.cc/757VMfn5)

Mom
https://i.postimg.cc/xjGpChJC/Schermafbeelding-2021-03-13-om-09-00-22.png (https://postimg.cc/qgRxDmGV)

Cris
13-03-21, 10:33
Here's mine and my parents' (from Florence)

Me



Distance to:
Cris


8.87482958
Villanovans_(n=2)


8.91618753
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.38042178
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


13.83354618
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


14.22832035
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


16.38032661
Latins_(n=4)


17.75592859
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


18.57819152
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


18.59394525
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


18.93854535
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


20.65095155
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


21.98563622
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


21.98902226
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


22.72769456
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


22.95269047
Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)


24.07975706
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


24.62179725
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


24.93509976
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)


25.03921325
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


26.56726745
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


27.28037573
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


27.34617706
Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10)


27.58517718
Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)


27.86220199
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


27.98091314
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)





Father



Distance to:
father


10.11591815
Villanovans_(n=2)


11.86804112
Etruscans_(n=3)


13.62124811
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


15.41577763
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


16.84199216
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


17.97306318
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


18.03264540
Latins_(n=4)


18.76384289
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


20.52914270
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


21.12214951
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


21.39447359
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


21.44920511
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


22.40596572
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


22.52808691
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


24.48156245
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


24.78477355
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


25.13529391
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


25.80507702
Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)


26.15308968
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


27.37156188
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)


28.54717849
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


29.37834066
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


29.60642329
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


29.61824438
Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)


29.67141217
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)





Mother



Distance to:
mother


10.24472547
Villanovans_(n=2)


10.98921289
Etruscans_(n=3)


12.42715575
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


14.65443278
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


14.95683456
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


17.72647737
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


17.81730900
Latins_(n=4)


18.83735119
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


20.28842774
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


20.54257043
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


20.71024867
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


21.34189073
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


22.48923965
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


22.92793711
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


23.92741524
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


24.99252888
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


24.99367520
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


25.00409566
Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)


26.00697406
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


26.72901046
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)


28.82057078
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


28.93586356
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


28.93870764
Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)


28.95322953
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


29.28416466
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)





2ways

Me



Distance to:
Cris


1.98405770
43.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 56.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


2.04885665
41.40% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 58.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.14193841
62.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 38.00% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.36367998
62.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 37.80% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)


2.67925420
17.60% Maykop_culture_(n=16) + 82.40% Etruscans_(n=3)


2.70039369
56.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 43.80% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


2.95396918
41.80% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 58.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


2.95500225
52.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 47.20% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


3.02868429
14.20% Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3) + 85.80% Etruscans_(n=3)


3.03398758
64.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 35.80% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)


3.21444054
64.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 35.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


3.22754366
16.00% Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9) + 84.00% Etruscans_(n=3)


3.32192383
41.60% LBA_Hungary_(n=6) + 58.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.35393942
53.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 46.60% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


3.36083765
72.80% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 27.20% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3)


3.38931837
68.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 32.00% Poltavka_culture_(n=8)


3.43238826
72.20% Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9) + 27.80% Yamna_culture_(n=16)


3.43426052
38.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 61.60% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


3.44760839
72.40% Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9) + 27.60% Catacomb_culture_(n=4)


3.48565774
32.60% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 67.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.50651319
71.40% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 28.60% Yamna_culture_(n=16)


3.52960278
71.60% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 28.40% Catacomb_culture_(n=4)


3.72416889
62.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 37.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


3.72699083
56.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 44.00% EBA_Britain_(n=28)


3.73904798
63.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 36.80% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)






Father



Distance to:
father


2.07738650
59.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 41.00% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.28617663
55.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 44.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


2.96110594
59.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 40.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


3.01074602
30.60% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 69.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.04149356
32.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22) + 67.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.27716536
41.40% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 58.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.42714546
40.40% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 59.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.54546510
45.60% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 54.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.55776175
42.20% LBA_Hungary_(n=6) + 57.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.66393516
63.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 36.40% Lombards_(n=28)


3.70804721
62.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 37.20% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


3.92249823
38.20% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 61.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.98111142
68.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 32.00% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)


4.00297310
68.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 32.00% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


4.00464245
56.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 43.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


4.03634865
50.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 49.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


4.05154890
71.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 28.80% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


4.08300739
59.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 40.80% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)


4.24204520
59.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 40.60% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


4.25727137
34.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 65.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


4.26281751
64.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 35.60% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


4.29195867
35.00% MBA_Britain_(n=22) + 65.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


4.31796717
43.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 57.00% Ostrogoths_(n=3)


4.33603883
72.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 27.40% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


4.34599693
59.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 40.60% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)






Mother



Distance to:
mother


1.40450652
56.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 44.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.62548023
41.40% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 58.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.84924104
40.40% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 59.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.07853121
60.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 40.00% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)


2.35927192
60.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 40.00% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.59681625
45.20% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 54.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.65659369
59.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 40.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.82192510
59.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 40.40% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)


2.84445151
70.80% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 29.20% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3)


3.10887697
65.60% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 34.40% Poltavka_culture_(n=8)


3.42834814
70.00% Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9) + 30.00% Catacomb_culture_(n=4)


3.46517401
68.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 31.60% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


3.47725767
69.60% Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9) + 30.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16)


3.60170458
68.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 31.80% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)


3.61097659
34.80% MBA_Britain_(n=22) + 65.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.79353931
43.80% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 56.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


3.82090922
50.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 49.20% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


3.83668260
29.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 70.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.87297346
21.20% Maykop_culture_(n=16) + 78.80% Etruscans_(n=3)


3.92026444
31.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22) + 68.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.93789023
67.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 32.80% Yamna_culture_(n=16)


3.96029351
63.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 36.20% Poltavka_culture_(n=8)


4.00893094
69.00% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 31.00% Catacomb_culture_(n=4)


4.04138861
68.80% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 31.20% Yamna_culture_(n=16)


4.04676009
64.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 35.60% Lombards_(n=28)

Jovialis
13-03-21, 14:02
https://i.imgur.com/eQlZb92.png

I would like to see DNA samples on Laterza culture one day.

If samples from Laterza Culture are found to be Minoan-like, it would fit quite nicely with the combination of Catacomb culture.


The Laterza culture or Laterza-Cellino San Marco culture is an Eneolithic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eneolithic) culture of Apulia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apulia) and Basilicata (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilicata), in Southern Italy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Italy). It takes its name from the tombs discovered in the locality of Laterza (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza), near Taranto (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taranto), and Cellino San Marco, near Brindisi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brindisi), in Apulia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apulia).
The Eneolithic Laterza Civilization (or the Laterza Culture) is an Eneolithic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eneolithic) culture which developed in a number of regions of Southern (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Italy) and to a lesser extent of Central Italy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Italy) in the 3rd millennium BC, around 2950-2350 BC. As with many of the cultures of the late prehistoric period, it is known essentially from the style of pottery recovered from archaeological digs. The culture was defined in 1967 by Francesco Biancofiore (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Francesco_Biancofiore&action=edit&redlink=1), following research in a necropolis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necropolis) of the same name situated to the north-west of the city of Taranto (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taranto), in southern Apulia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apulia).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-Biancofiore1967-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-Biancofiore1971-2)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-CipolloniSampoetal1998-3)
For a long while this culture was only documented in a few essentially funerary sites.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-4)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-Biancofiore1979-5) Recent research of large sites, particularly near Rome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome) and others in northern Campania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campania), have extended knowledge of the homes of the culture.[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-6)[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-Anzideietal2007-7)[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-FugazzolaDelpinoetal2003-8)[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-AnzideiCarboni2007-9)
Chronology and geographic distribution[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Laterza_culture&action=edit&section=1)]The chronology of this cultura has been established thanks to recent discoveries.[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-CarboniAnzidei2013-10)[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-11)[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-12)[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-13) The culture developed between 2900 and 2300 B.C.. It appeared in central Puglia, Basilicata and on the Tyhrennian shore of Campania and Lazio were the most ancient finds have been discovered. In these last two regions Laterza characteristics overlap with and replace the last manifestations of the Gaudo culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudo_culture).[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-14)[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-15)[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-16) In some cases these two cultures overlap in the same site, as in Salve (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salve,_Apulia), in southern Puglia.[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-Ingravalloetal2010-17)
The influence of the Laterza Culture is seen in areas distant from its original territory as evidenced by decoration of pottery. In the necropoli di Selvicciola (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necropoli_di_Selvicciola), a site in northern Lazio attributed to the Rinaldone culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinaldone_culture), a jug of Laterza type was discovered.[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-18) Laterza type decorations are also present in the ceramics of other localities of Central Italy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Italy),[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-19) for example at Maddalena di Muccia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muccia) in Marche (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marche).[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-20)[21] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-21) In Osteria del Curato-via Cinquefrondi (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteria_del_Curato), on the periphery of Rome, a tomb was discovered which contained three different styles of pottery: Gaudo, Rinaldone and Laterza.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-Anzideietal2007-7)
In Agro romano (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Agro_romano&action=edit&redlink=1) the Laterza Culture gave birth to the Ortucchio culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ortucchio_culture&action=edit&redlink=1) (which evolved between 2670 and 2550 B.C. principally from the influence of and contact with Bell Beaker culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Beaker_culture)[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-CarboniAnzidei2013-10)) while in other areas it ceased to exist. In Pantano Borghese (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pantano_Borghese&action=edit&redlink=1), near Rome, a site assigned to an advanced state of the Laterza Culture was discovered, contemporaneous with neighbouring sites of the Ortucchio culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ortucchio_culture&action=edit&redlink=1). According to scholars it is a cultural enclave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclave) which survived in the area.[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-CarboniAnzidei2013-10)[22] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture#cite_note-22)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterza_culture


https://i.imgur.com/8T3F7Ai.png

Jovialis
13-03-21, 14:49
^^Minoans look somewhat similar to the Neolithic Central Italians minus small amounts of WHG, perhaps Laterza culture was similar, give or take a some percentage between CHG/IN and Anatolian_N. I also suspect South Italy received less or none of the copper age WHG resurgence, that the Center experienced.

From Lazaridis' lecture video:

https://i.imgur.com/ZURyWYB.png

Angela
13-03-21, 16:00
^^Minoans look somewhat similar to the Neolithic Central Italians minus small amounts of WHG, perhaps Laterza culture was similar, give or take a some percentage between CHG/IN and Anatolian_N. I also suspect South Italy received less or none of the copper age WHG resurgence, that the Center experienced.

From Lazaridis' lecture video:

https://i.imgur.com/ZURyWYB.png

I'd forgotten that graph. Certainly makes it clear, doesn't it?

Jovialis
13-03-21, 16:05
^^Indeed, it eliminates any confusions about the ultimate sources of ancestry for these populations. That video (https://youtu.be/5OazVFNWL7I) really is a good resource.

Angela
13-03-21, 19:33
Of course, samples with more steppe may turn up in northern areas or earlier time periods, but so far this is what the Mycenaeans looked like.

I doubt the Minoan percentages will change.

Salento
13-03-21, 20:27
VK537 (Foggia Viking) vs Salento

... 2way top 10:

VK537 Italian_Greeks Iron_Age_Finland
Salento Italian_Greeks Baltic_Scandinavia

https://i.imgur.com/N4JhWNX.jpg

VK537_Dod_K12,5.21,0.93,4.78,0.00,26.19,16.86,0.95 ,0.70,11.33,0.35,31.41,1.30

VK535_Dod_K12,8.59,0.00,5.60,1.09,27.21,14.69,0.00 ,0.80,12.43,0.00,28.19,1.39

Maciamo
13-03-21, 21:27
I have added a few more Neolithic and Chalcolithic cultures, as well as EBA Jordan.

Duarte
13-03-21, 21:46
THX Maciamo
Mine







Distance to:
Duarte


6.17150711
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.71266713
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.86048341
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.27186764
Latins_(n=4)


12.12435978
Villanovans_(n=2)


14.05696980
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


14.84792915
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


15.13849068
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


15.30209790
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.31625933
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


15.62434319
Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)


16.25126149
MLBA_Spain_(n=38)


16.49046998
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


16.58959915
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


18.93396947
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


21.80919989
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


22.92128923
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)


22.94319289
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


23.82327643
Megalithic_Europe_(n=24)


24.01004581
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


24.60763906
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


24.61869615
Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14)


25.62060694
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)


25.98923239
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


26.16566835
Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19)






Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.6248% / 2.62480758 | R7P



35.4
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





27.9
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





17.2
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





9.9
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)





6.3
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





3.3
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.6252% / 2.62520864 | R6P



35.6
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





27.2
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





17.3
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





10.1
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)





6.5
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





3.3
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.8129% / 2.81289259 | R5P



42.1
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





31.7
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





15.5
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





7.4
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)





3.3
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.9846% / 2.98464166 | R4P



43.8
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





27.3
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





15.0
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





13.9
MLBA_North_Caucasus_(n=11)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.2280% / 3.22797851 | R3P



49.5
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)





43.8
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





6.7
MLBA_North_Caucasus_(n=11)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.6642% / 4.66417136 | R2P



52.4
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





47.6
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)

Jovialis
13-03-21, 22:25
Post-update results, my top remains the same:

https://i.imgur.com/SwoAHUp.png

Jovialis
13-03-21, 22:27
Of course, samples with more steppe may turn up in northern areas or earlier time periods, but so far this is what the Mycenaeans looked like.

I doubt the Minoan percentages will change.

I think so too, it is a relatively large sample set, from two different locations, and they are genetically homogenous.

Duarte
14-03-21, 00:17
It seems that the inclusion of the megalithic populations cluster from Wartberg did with the Dodecad K12b’s algorithm change partially, in my specific case, the cluster Bell Beaker Iberia by the cluster Niedertiefenbach (Megalithic Wartberg)



Before


Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.8399% / 2.83994822 | R7P



30.9
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





28.7
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





20.9
EBA_Britain_(n=28)





6.3
Ostrogoths_(n=3)





5.1
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)





4.9
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





3.2
LBA_Hungary_(n=6)






Now


Target: Duarte
Distante: 2.6248% / 2.62480758 | R7P



35.4
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





27.9
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





17.2
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





9.9
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)





6.3
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





3.3
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





https://i.imgur.com/MJYn2of.jpg
Source:

Genome-wide study of a Neolithic Wartberg grave community reveals distinct HLA variation and hunter-gatherer ancestry

https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-020-01627-4/figures/2

https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-020-01627-4#MOESM4

Maciamo
14-03-21, 11:25
I have added Middle Bronze Age North Alps.

Considering the huge difference between Northeast and Southern Gaul in the Early Bronze Age, I split them into EBA Swabia (Alsace, Switzerland) and EBA Languedoc (southern France).

Angela
14-03-21, 12:17
With new cluster groupings

Distance to:
Angela


6.58167152
Villanovans_(n=2)


7.96705717
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.89617165
Latins_(n=4)


13.13808205
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


13.49591049
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


13.54544942
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


14.35290215
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


16.39635935
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)


16.75045373
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


17.63364682
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


18.23290981
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


19.39564642
Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14)


20.64124996
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


20.64407663
LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8)


21.01154921
Middle_Chalcolithic_Hungary_(n=9)


21.30045305
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


21.32677660
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)


21.41171642
EN_Alfold_Linear_Pottery_culture_(n=20)


22.29873315
LN_Tisza-Sopot_culture_(n=11)


22.45266131
Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10)


23.30673722
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


23.32025086
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


23.68992824
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


23.79259339
Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10)


23.91287728
EN_LBK_culture_(n=43)





Distance to:
Angela


1.92071940
36.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 63.60% Latins_(n=4)


2.28144536
58.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 41.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


2.48232850
47.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 52.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


2.53019522
26.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 73.20% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.65448504
80.40% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 19.60% Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)


2.73060830
19.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 81.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.75253349
62.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 37.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


3.07680600
58.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 41.20% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


3.15678046
19.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 80.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


3.32187667
21.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 78.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


3.42006999
58.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 41.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


3.42977687
51.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 48.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


3.63264342
47.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 52.20% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


3.66069060
61.80% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 38.20% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


3.69109049
60.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 39.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


3.70169095
48.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 51.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


3.73183551
53.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 47.00% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


3.75067389
36.60% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 63.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.75391058
51.80% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 48.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


3.76884374
49.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 50.60% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


3.82840221
40.80% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 59.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.86059777
62.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 38.00% Lombards_(n=28)


3.93832949
58.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 41.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)


3.94714773
71.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 28.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


3.96712040
68.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 31.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)




My closest matches are still the same on the genetic similarity result except that further down I get Gauls-Southern France, and then at the end Gauls-Belgae.

In the two way, my closest match is still majority Latin with minority the two-Italian Greeks, but further down it get's wonkier, with combinations of Mycenaean or Minoan with North Alps. That's obviously a much less proximate result. This is the issue with two way; it can sometimes just mean you're somewhere on a line between two populations neither of which might have actually contributed to your ancestry.

HYGILI4K
14-03-21, 14:15
Mine:




4.51730008


Villanovans_(n=2)




5.28605713


Etruscans_(n=3)




5.41880061


Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)




5.59072446


Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)




8.32204903


Latins_(n=4)




12.80559253


Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)




15.08530742


Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)




15.25981979


Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)




15.91017599


Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)




15.94067125


Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)




16.68782490


BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)




16.70816866


Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)




18.60629195


Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)




18.67743291


Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)




18.85373173


Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)




18.91737297


Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)




19.36641681


Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)




20.50695248


Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)




21.44243223


Ostrogoths_(n=3)




21.70107831


Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)




21.99359452


Western_Scythians_(n=28)




22.37540391


Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14)




23.55099573


Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)




24.78828957


Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)




24.96043269


Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)







1.85032731


23.00% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 77.00% Etruscans_(n=3)




1.93363357


23.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 76.20% Etruscans_(n=3)




2.00297909


55.40% Villanovans_(n=2) + 44.60% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)




2.08938566


51.20% LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8) + 48.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)




2.18208138


17.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 82.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)




2.22504708


53.60% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 46.40% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)




2.26789801


14.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22) + 85.40% Etruscans_(n=3)




2.26929089


56.60% Villanovans_(n=2) + 43.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)




2.31570451


41.80% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 58.20% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)




2.33622663


13.20% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 86.80% Etruscans_(n=3)




2.36118466


13.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28) + 86.60% Etruscans_(n=3)




2.38893231


12.00% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 88.00% Etruscans_(n=3)




2.39911999


59.60% Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10) + 40.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)




2.41760724


59.20% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 40.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)




2.43733837


49.80% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 50.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)




2.43825775


85.20% Etruscans_(n=3) + 14.80% Lombards_(n=28)




2.43854860


62.00% LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8) + 38.00% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)




2.44335778


19.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 80.40% Etruscans_(n=3)




2.44484540


15.80% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 84.20% Etruscans_(n=3)




2.44640959


37.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 62.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)




2.45343505


85.40% Etruscans_(n=3) + 14.60% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)




2.47980811


79.80% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 20.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=11)




2.51712452


18.60% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 81.40% Etruscans_(n=3)




2.52311080


13.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 87.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)




2.56993238


36.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 63.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)

Jovialis
14-03-21, 14:23
Here is mine:
https://i.imgur.com/LAwMhAg.png

The best modeling is still Minoan + Catacomb Culture, which is very fascinating to me.

italouruguayan
14-03-21, 15:02
My results.
Now appear Middle Bronze Age North Alps, Early Bronze Age Swabia and Early Bronze Age Southern France ...

Distance to: italouruguayan

11.56324781 Western_Scythians_(n=28)
16.23768764 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
16.91561409 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
17.22619517 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
17.89198424 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
19.14316327 Villanovans_(n=2)
19.54538309 BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
19.86298819 Etruscans_(n=3)
21.62285365 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
21.99280109 Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
22.57669816 Cimmerians_(n=6)
22.99249008 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
23.87470209 Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)
24.54381592 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
24.58744802 Latins_(n=4)
25.13049741 Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
25.33739134 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
26.33592983 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)
27.15390580 Lombards_(n=28)
27.68604522 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
28.13606227 Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)
28.31531741 Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)
28.74993739 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
29.18052433 Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28)
29.95861979 Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)
30.08887336 Sarmatians_(n=14)
30.54951718 Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)
30.92647248 Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)

Cescut
14-03-21, 15:24
My results (I'm an euro mix):
Distance to: cescut
11.08360050 Villanovans_(n=2)
13.45420380 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
13.59860287 Etruscans_(n=3)
14.62235959 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
15.26159232 Western_Scythians_(n=28)
17.82895117 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
18.27357382 BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
18.50013243 Latins_(n=4)
18.96650469 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
19.73833580 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
19.96410278Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
21.26101126 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
22.74079594 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
22.75086152Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)
22.99479724 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
23.36868631 Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)
24.17376884Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5
24.52814914 Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
24.70406849 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
25.00728294 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
26.14161051 Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
27.26963879Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)
27.37671821 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
27.46929377 Lombards_(n=28)
28.20861216 Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)

2 way

Distance to: cescut
2.54015321 36.40% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 63.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
2.71453531 53.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 46.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
3.00565646 56.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 43.60% Lombards_(n=28)
3.21514515 45.80% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 54.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
3.30156800 53.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 46.20% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
3.51754593 61.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 38.20% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
3.74826781 38.60% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22) + 61.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
3.87476368 48.00% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 52.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
3.96949414 41.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22) + 58.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
3.98210346 60.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 39.20% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
3.98354123 54.00% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 46.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
4.01895335 56.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 43.60% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
4.22187779 38.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 62.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
4.22916917 48.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 52.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
4.34625585 55.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 44.60% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
4.35589393 40.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28) + 59.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
4.39913393 53.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 46.20% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)
4.41415395 39.80% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 60.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
4.53843333 54.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 46.00% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)
4.53997277 61.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 38.40% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)
4.63181467 47.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 52.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
4.71811225 58.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 42.00% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)
4.78799182 30.60% West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=19) + 69.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
4.89427497 51.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 48.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
4.94533012 43.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 56.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)

Regio X
14-03-21, 15:37
In the 2way this new MBA North Alps showed at first for my father (66.60%), with Italian Greeks (33.40%).

Here're the Single (cycles - 4x)



Target: RegioX_FTDNA
Distance: 0.8612% / 0.86124867




22.6
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)






19.4
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)






17.1
Lombards_(n=28)






14.0
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)






10.6
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)






9.4
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)






4.7
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)






2.2
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)







Target: RegioX_23andMe
Distance: 0.8616% / 0.86159014




21.1
Lombards_(n=28)






19.3
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)






17.8
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)






14.1
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)






9.3
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)






7.9
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)






7.3
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)






3.2
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)







Target: Father_23andMe
Distance: 0.8631% / 0.86310277




25.4
Lombards_(n=28)






24.6
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)






23.2
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)






15.8
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)






8.0
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)






2.3
Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)






0.4
Early_Bronze_Age_Jordan_(n=3)






0.3
Balkans_HG_(n=43)







Target: Mother_23andMe
Distance: 0.6708% / 0.67077617




24.8
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)






22.2
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)






17.0
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)






10.5
Unetice_culture_(n=18)






7.7
Villanovans_(n=2)






5.9
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)






4.9
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)






3.2
Balkans_HG_(n=43)






2.3
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)






1.2
Lombards_(n=28)






0.3
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)







Target: Uncle_FTDNA
Distance: 0.9673% / 0.96729612




38.1
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)






20.3
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)






17.4
Balkans_HG_(n=43)






10.9
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)






7.6
Villanovans_(n=2)






4.6
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)






0.9
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)






0.2
Latins_(n=4)







Target: In-law_23andMe
Distance: 1.7363% / 1.73627419




26.5
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)






20.6
Balkans_HG_(n=43)






20.4
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)






14.5
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)






7.7
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)






5.0
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)






3.9
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)






1.4
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)

Duarte
14-03-21, 16:30
Distance to:
Duarte


6.17150711
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.71266713
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.86048341
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.27186764
Latins_(n=4)


12.12435978
Villanovans_(n=2)


14.05696980
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


14.52055095
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


14.84792915
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


15.13849068
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


15.21667178
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


15.30209790
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.31625933
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


16.25126149
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


16.49046998
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


16.58959915
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


17.46561765
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


18.93396947
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


21.80919989
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


22.92128923
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)


22.94319289
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


23.82327643
Megalithic_Europe_(n=24)


24.01004581
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


24.60763906
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


24.61869615
Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14)


25.62060694
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)




Distance to:





Duarte


4.66417136
47.60% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 52.40% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


4.85328375
49.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 51.00% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.04636530
24.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7) + 76.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.18746490
22.80% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 77.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.19626512
42.80% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 57.20% Ostrogoths_(n=3)


5.42021978
20.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38) + 79.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.51279033
82.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9) + 17.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.55329431
48.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7) + 51.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.63868310
8.20% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.66006917
11.00% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 89.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.66539760
11.80% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=59) + 88.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.67109585
5.80% Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5) + 94.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.73086346
6.00% Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=10) + 94.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.73125619
6.40% Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10) + 93.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.77419747
6.80% Middle_Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12) + 93.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78241084
7.40% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=59) + 92.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78342255
6.60% Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13) + 93.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78479561
6.80% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 93.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.80845669
7.60% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58) + 92.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.81063741
32.40% MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6) + 67.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.81776672
7.20% Neolithic_Britain_(n=62) + 92.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.81831970
13.20% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6) + 86.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.82309411
8.20% Megalithic_Europe_(n=24) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.83295874
12.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7) + 87.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.84198322
20.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 80.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)




Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.6251% / 2.62509818



35.2
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





28.6
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





17.1
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





9.8
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)





6.0
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





3.3
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.6248% / 2.62480758 | R7P



35.4
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





27.9
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





17.2
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





9.9
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)





6.3
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





3.3
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.6252% / 2.62520864 | R6P



35.6
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





27.2
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





17.3
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





10.1
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)





6.5
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





3.3
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.8129% / 2.81289259 | R5P



42.1
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





31.7
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





15.5
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





7.4
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)





3.3
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.9842% / 2.98416423 | R4P



42.7
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





27.5
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





25.2
Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28)





4.6
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.2280% / 3.22797851 | R3P



49.5
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)





43.8
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





6.7
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=11)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.6642% / 4.66417136 | R2P



52.4
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





47.6
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)

Salento
14-03-21, 17:44
... :) I don't see any changes:

https://i.imgur.com/LZOi9rh.jpg

torzio
14-03-21, 17:45
I have added Middle Bronze Age North Alps.

Considering the huge difference between Northeast and Southern Gaul in the Early Bronze Age, I split them into EBA Swabia (Alsace, Switzerland) and EBA Languedoc (southern France).

only changes for me are ............2nd and 3rd spots replaced numbers for Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary




Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 0.5530% / 0.55300730





18.6
Lombards_(n=28)






15.1
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)






10.2
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)






9.9
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)






9.0
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)






6.4
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)






5.9
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)







5.8
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)






5.1
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)






4.0
Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)






3.6
Unetice_culture_(n=18)






3.5
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)






2.1
Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)






0.5
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=11)






0.3
Yamna_culture_(n=16)




















and the second line below is new



Distance to:
Torziok12b


1.32271482
38.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 61.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.42644518
64.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 35.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.64679071
54.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.73354583
39.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 60.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.73485819
63.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 37.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.77723273
36.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 64.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.84345179
47.00% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 53.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.85816164
49.20% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 50.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.92274543
50.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28) + 50.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.99577565
53.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 46.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.04662315
13.00% Catacomb_culture_(n=4) + 87.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.05869781
58.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 41.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.07154006
39.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 60.60% Lombards_(n=28)


2.11079009
13.20% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 86.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.12848251
12.60% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3) + 87.40% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.12911940
45.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 54.20% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


2.16365463
46.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 53.40% Lombards_(n=28)


2.19754361
56.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 44.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


2.23190121
42.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 57.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28)


2.36057621
56.60% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 43.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


2.44643528
48.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 52.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)


2.47300736
14.00% Poltavka_culture_(n=8) + 86.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.51334656
46.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


2.56617541
46.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 53.80% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)


2.57502390
52.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 47.40% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)

Jovialis
15-03-21, 14:54
Here is mine:
https://i.imgur.com/LAwMhAg.png

The best modeling is still Minoan + Catacomb Culture, which is very fascinating to me.

Here are some interesting facts:

https://i.imgur.com/TDlMwu4.png


Closely related to the Corded Ware Culture.

Originated in the forests of central and northern European Russia, then expanded southward and eventually replaced the Yamna culture, from which it is culturally descended.

The Catacomb culture could be ancestral to the Indo-Iranians, and/or to the Daco-Thracians, Mycenaean Greeks, Phrygians and Armenians.

Stock-breeding culture of semi-nomadic herders riding on horses. Cattle were the dominant domesticated animals, followed by sheep/goat and horses. Cereal agriculture and pig-breeding was practiced in a few permanent settlements in river valleys.

Pottery more elaborated than Yamna. Use of similar cord-impressed pottery with geometric shapes as the Corded Ware culture. Bronze artefacts included shaft-hole axes, fanged daggers, adzes, hammer-head pins, bodkins and chisels. Stone maces, polished stone battle axes, flint arrowheads and flint spears were also used.

Houses were predominantly rectangular, partially sunken in the ground and built with wooden posts.

The dead were inhumed in kurgans similar to the Yamna culture, but with a trench dug into the main shaft, creating the "catacomb", and burial niches in its side walls. Bodies were usually placed in a crouched position on their side and were accompanied by weapons or tools (for men), or pottery and silver ornaments (for women). Graves of elevated social status also contained two- or four-wheeled wagons (and possibly some early chariots), prestige items (axes, scepters), and sacrificed animals (mostly cattle and sheep/goat). A new funeral practice emerged with the modelling of a clay mask over the face of the deceased. These masks may have been the prototypes of the Mycenaean gold masks, like the famous Mask of Agamemnon.

https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/catacomb_culture.shtml

Duarte
15-03-21, 17:31
Very interesting quotes and sources Jovialis. Although, as Angela said, population combinations in the mixed mode should be analyzed within a historical-genetic-archaeological context, avoiding a literal interpretation, in my specific case I was curious about what the 3 individuals in the Chalcolithic Caucasus would be (n = 3) that appear in my population combinations and I found , below, a PCA from Wang et al. featuring the Eneolithic Caucasus.

EDIT: Source
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/322347v1.full

https://i.imgur.com/q3WxpD4.png

leperrine
15-03-21, 18:37
Distance to:
Lyman


4.92478426
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


5.15372681
Lombards_(n=28)


5.32796396
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


5.62196585
Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)


5.81197901
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


7.61286411
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


7.97189438
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


8.08398417
Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


8.32353290
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


8.38648317
Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28)


8.45613978
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


9.07546142
Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)


9.88133088
Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


12.18510156
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


12.32638633
Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


12.72075076
Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)


13.17537096
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)


13.60361717
Unetice_culture_(n=18)


13.69952919
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


19.23163280
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)


19.46097891
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


19.93782335
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


21.58160328
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


22.69944713
Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


22.72774296
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)






Target: Lyman
Distance: 1.1631% / 1.16306967


50.7
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)





21.2
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)





17.9
Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)





5.4
Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)





2.9
Lombards_(n=28)





1.3
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)





0.6
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=11)







Distance to:
Lyman


1.62137635
71.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22) + 28.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


1.64442587
60.40% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 39.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


1.67567884
10.20% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 89.80% Lombards_(n=28)


1.74923192
60.60% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 39.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


1.76628762
62.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28) + 37.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


1.79219812
46.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 53.40% Lombards_(n=28)


1.81187180
51.80% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 48.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


1.84394749
10.60% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=59) + 89.40% Lombards_(n=28)


1.84428901
9.60% Middle_Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12) + 90.40% Lombards_(n=28)


1.86660115
16.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7) + 84.00% Lombards_(n=28)


1.88346116
17.40% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 82.60% Lombards_(n=28)


1.89081172
10.20% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58) + 89.80% Lombards_(n=28)


1.89828717
9.00% Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13) + 91.00% Lombards_(n=28)


1.90272527
8.60% Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10) + 91.40% Lombards_(n=28)


1.92714558
8.00% Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=10) + 92.00% Lombards_(n=28)


1.92969497
54.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 45.60% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


1.93523424
10.20% Neolithic_Britain_(n=62) + 89.80% Lombards_(n=28)


1.95286432
15.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38) + 84.60% Lombards_(n=28)


1.96722294
12.00% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6) + 88.00% Lombards_(n=28)


2.00899280
10.80% Megalithic_Europe_(n=24) + 89.20% Lombards_(n=28)


2.04677568
37.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 63.00% Lombards_(n=28)


2.05875202
9.80% Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19) + 90.20% Lombards_(n=28)


2.12835934
62.80% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 37.20% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)


2.14274517
61.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22) + 38.80% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


2.16741279
19.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 80.60% Lombards_(n=28)

Salento
16-03-21, 01:47
Here is mine:
https://i.imgur.com/LAwMhAg.png

The best modeling is still Minoan + Catacomb Culture, which is very fascinating to me.

@Jovialis
R836 gets your top 2 position combinations, ... :)

https://i.imgur.com/Nm7JvwQ.jpg

(... site coordinates)

florere
17-03-21, 18:21
Distance to:
Florere


6.50585890
Villanovans_(n=2)


8.81310388
Etruscans_(n=3)


12.52490319
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


13.64885710
Latins_(n=4)


13.70801955
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


16.23446950
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


16.92553101
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


17.16253186
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


18.64267953
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


19.55085164
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)


19.70441575
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


20.89953110
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


21.70369323
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


21.75773656
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


21.78460925
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


21.91992929
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


22.33126956
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


22.60704536
Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14)


22.73388440
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


24.07361419
LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8)


24.18241923
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)


24.31170500
Middle_Chalcolithic_Hungary_(n=9)


24.53706584
EN_Alfold_Linear_Pottery_culture_(n=20)


24.70581106
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


25.20420798
LN_Tisza-Sopot_culture_(n=11)






Distance to:
Florere


1.82713460
53.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 46.40% Lombards_(n=28)


2.14610942
48.20% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 51.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


2.62585298
56.20% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 43.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


2.64541794
54.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 45.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)


2.64906037
43.20% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 56.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


2.65387882
56.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 43.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28)


2.68753007
67.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 32.60% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


2.72459476
59.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 41.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


2.72627215
53.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 46.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


2.75263258
58.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 41.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)


2.75750276
47.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 52.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.79769441
41.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 58.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


2.84094545
63.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 36.60% Lombards_(n=28)


2.90792539
46.20% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 53.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


2.95917775
64.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 35.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)


3.00473504
33.80% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 66.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.00758127
22.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 77.20% Villanovans_(n=2)


3.07791474
41.20% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 58.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.09734428
58.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 42.00% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


3.10025354
60.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 40.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)


3.10910847
54.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 46.00% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


3.11254524
34.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28) + 65.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.13369775
54.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 46.00% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


3.19428087
38.20% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 61.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.21441375
69.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 30.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)

Regio X
17-03-21, 19:33
My data are not in Gedmatch anymore, so I was playing with Admixture Studio. Curiously, my closest modern pop at K12b is the piedmontese. :) Not my parents' though.

Maciamo
17-03-21, 19:50
I have just added:

- Chalcolithic Israel
- Late Bronze Age Israel
- Iron Age Israel
- Bronze Age Illyria
- Iron Age Britain

Compared to modern populations:

- Bronze Age Illyrians are closest to North Italians.

- Iron Age Britons are most similar to modern Irish, then Scots.

- Chalcolithic Israeli : no close match, but closest are Coptic Egyptians at 14.1.
- Late Bronze Age Israel and Iron Age Israel : both closest to modern Palestinian/Jordanian Christians, then Syrian and Lebanese Christians.

Jovialis
17-03-21, 20:01
Very interesting, you can see Greek input into the Levant after the Bronze Age, in the Iron Age Israel cohort. This probably due to invasions and migrations from the west into the Levant, such as the Philistines, and other south eastern European sources:


https://i.imgur.com/TgmA8MH.png

Duarte
17-03-21, 21:44
In single mode, Bronze Age Illyryans appeared before Medieval Andalusia. Mixed modes, at first glance, remain the same

Distance to:
Duarte


6.17150711
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.71266713
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.86048341
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.27186764
Latins_(n=4)


12.12435978
Villanovans_(n=2)


14.03098001
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


14.05696980
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


14.52055095
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


14.84792915
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


15.13849068
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


15.21667178
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


15.30209790
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.31625933
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


16.25126149
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


16.49046998
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


16.58959915
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


17.46561765
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


18.93396947
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


21.80919989
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


22.92128923
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)


22.94319289
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


23.82327643
Megalithic_Europe_(n=24)


24.01004581
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


24.60763906
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


24.61869615
Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14)

torzio
17-03-21, 22:44
I have just added:

- Chalcolithic Israel
- Late Bronze Age Israel
- Iron Age Israel
- Bronze Age Illyria
- Iron Age Britain

Compared to modern populations:

- Bronze Age Illyrians are closest to North Italians.

- Iron Age Britons are most similar to modern Irish, then Scots.

- Chalcolithic Israeli : no close match, but closest are Coptic Egyptians at 14.1.
- Late Bronze Age Israel and Iron Age Israel : both closest to modern Palestinian/Jordanian Christians, then Syrian and Lebanese Christians.

mine



Distance to:
Torziok12b


4.32530750

Bronze_Age_Illyrians


7.93611996
Villanovans_(n=2)


9.58380926
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)



9.76980041
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


11.45072923
Etruscans_(n=3)


13.38610100
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


13.72095113
Latins_(n=4)


14.38534671
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


14.51663529
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.64978594
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


16.26212471
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


17.43714713
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


17.79364774
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


18.08538360
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


18.27350267
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


18.80015160
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


19.61592210
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


21.25626025
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


22.82839022
Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


23.44443004
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


23.57409807
Lombards_(n=28)


23.80852998
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


24.05944097
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


24.30828665
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


24.53873265
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)







Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 0.5179% / 0.51785264





14.2
Lombards_(n=28)






11.8
Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)






11.8
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)






11.5
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)






9.6
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)






7.7
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)






6.2
Unetice_culture_(n=18)






6.0
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)






4.3
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)






4.1
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)






4.0
Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)






3.9
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)






3.6
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)






1.3
Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)








Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 1.1410% / 1.14103737 | ADC: 0.25x RC





63.8
Bronze_Age_Illyrians






23.9
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)






4.4
Chalcolithic_Israel






4.2
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)






3.7

Catacomb_culture_(n=4)








Distance to:
Torziok12b


1.32271482
38.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 61.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.42644518
64.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 35.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.64679071
54.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.73354583
39.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 60.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.73485819
63.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 37.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.77723273
36.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 64.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.84345179
47.00% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 53.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.85816164
49.20% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 50.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.92274543
50.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28) + 50.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.99577565
53.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 46.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.04662315
13.00% Catacomb_culture_(n=4) + 87.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.04890312
88.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 11.60% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)


2.05869781
58.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 41.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.07154006
39.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 60.60% Lombards_(n=28)


2.11079009
13.20% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 86.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.12848251
12.60% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3) + 87.40% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.12911940
45.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 54.20% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


2.16365463
46.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 53.40% Lombards_(n=28)


2.19754361
56.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 44.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


2.23185504
9.60% Poltavka_culture_(n=8) + 90.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.23190121
42.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 57.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28)


2.34399842
75.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 24.20% Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6)


2.36057621
56.60% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 43.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


2.37365948
11.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22) + 88.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.39751143
7.40% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3) + 92.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians

torzio
17-03-21, 22:51
my first cousin.......she is from my grandfather paternal side sister



Distance to:
TrentinoCles


3.03482057

Bronze_Age_Illyrians


5.83890401
Villanovans_(n=2)


10.23312269
Etruscans_(n=3)


12.34738029
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


12.73217185
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


13.30812909
Latins_(n=4)


17.71318718
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


18.62196821
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


19.00125522
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


19.03681433
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


19.17109804
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


19.53118788
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


20.08211891
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


20.10456167
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


20.50580406
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


21.16651837
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


22.20247509
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


22.62881791
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


23.11257017
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


23.27070261
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)


23.71598828
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


24.84677444
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


25.47348229
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


25.65930241
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


25.97889721
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)






Target: TrentinoCles
Distance: 1.9585% / 1.95847278 | ADC: 0.25x RC





71.4
Bronze_Age_Illyrians






21.4
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)






7.2
Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12)

Stuvanè
17-03-21, 23:18
With the latest updates - especially in combos - I'm discovering myself to be partly Jewish...
The mystery grows



Distance to:
Dodecadk12bStuvanè


5.98677710
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


9.05316519
Villanovans_(n=2)


11.05727815
Etruscans_(n=3)


12.65941547
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


14.29163392
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


16.57576846
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


16.98754544
Latins_(n=4)


18.57900428
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


19.17563558
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


20.27443217
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


20.44652782
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


21.15670816
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


21.25037647
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


21.28523432
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


21.49713004
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


21.77716465
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


23.19574746
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


23.80771514
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


23.86301741
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)


24.81086859
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


25.09146668
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


25.13596427
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


27.11970317
Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14)


27.62877486
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


27.69661351
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)








Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 2.3667% / 2.36666579 | R2P




63.5
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)





36.5
Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)








Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 1.8677% / 1.86767349 | ADC: 0.5x RC




76.1
Bronze_Age_Illyrians





12.2
Western_Scythians_(n=28)





9.9
Chalcolithic_Israel





1.8
Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)








Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 0.9642% / 0.96419267 | ADC: 0.25x RC




79.9
Bronze_Age_Illyrians





7.3
Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)





7.2
Chalcolithic_Israel





5.6
Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)









Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 0.5242% / 0.52424075




25.4
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)





13.3
Balkans_HG_(n=43)





10.5
Unetice_culture_(n=18)





7.7
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)





7.5
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)





7.4
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)





7.2
Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)





6.0
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)





5.8
Villanovans_(n=2)





5.5
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)





3.1
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)





0.6
Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31)








Distance to:
Dodecadk12bStuvanè


2.36723797
63.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6) + 36.60% Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)


2.49467477
52.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 47.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


2.54191127
58.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 41.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.60248974
62.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6) + 37.80% Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6)


2.80965159
88.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 11.60% Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)


2.81691307
58.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 41.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


3.05643178
55.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 45.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


3.14607656
11.00% Chalcolithic_Israel + 89.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.14726940
11.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Jordan_(n=3) + 88.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.16124406
61.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 38.20% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


3.33197422
45.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6) + 54.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.34154825
88.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 11.60% Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6)


3.38469387
33.20% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22) + 66.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.45658518
48.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 51.20% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


3.49091616
54.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 46.00% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


3.49104056
36.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 64.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.53860413
12.40% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15) + 87.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.55348265
47.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 53.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.58398833
70.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 29.80% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


3.63299048
43.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 56.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.72417685
32.40% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 67.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.72929930
58.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 42.00% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


3.74055817
8.20% Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6) + 91.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.86028119
62.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 37.20% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


3.92974702
80.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 19.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)

Angela
17-03-21, 23:23
With the latest updates - especially in combos - I'm discovering myself to be partly Jewish...
The mystery grows



Distance to:
Dodecadk12bStuvanè


5.98677710
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


9.05316519
Villanovans_(n=2)


11.05727815
Etruscans_(n=3)


12.65941547
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


14.29163392
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


16.57576846
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


16.98754544
Latins_(n=4)


18.57900428
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


19.17563558
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


20.27443217
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


20.44652782
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


21.15670816
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


21.25037647
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


21.28523432
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


21.49713004
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


21.77716465
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


23.19574746
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


23.80771514
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


23.86301741
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)


24.81086859
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


25.09146668
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


25.13596427
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


27.11970317
Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14)


27.62877486
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


27.69661351
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)







Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 2.3667% / 2.36666579 | R2P



63.5
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)





36.5
Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)








Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 1.8677% / 1.86767349 | ADC: 0.5x RC



76.1
Bronze_Age_Illyrians





12.2
Western_Scythians_(n=28)





9.9
Chalcolithic_Israel





1.8
Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)








Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 0.9642% / 0.96419267 | ADC: 0.25x RC



79.9
Bronze_Age_Illyrians





7.3
Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)





7.2
Chalcolithic_Israel





5.6
Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)









Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 0.5242% / 0.52424075



25.4
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)





13.3
Balkans_HG_(n=43)





10.5
Unetice_culture_(n=18)





7.7
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)





7.5
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)





7.4
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)





7.2
Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)





6.0
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)





5.8
Villanovans_(n=2)





5.5
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)





3.1
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)





0.6
Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31)








Distance to:
Dodecadk12bStuvanè


2.36723797
63.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6) + 36.60% Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)


2.49467477
52.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 47.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


2.54191127
58.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 41.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.60248974
62.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6) + 37.80% Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6)


2.80965159
88.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 11.60% Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)


2.81691307
58.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 41.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


3.05643178
55.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 45.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


3.14607656
11.00% Chalcolithic_Israel + 89.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.14726940
11.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Jordan_(n=3) + 88.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.16124406
61.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 38.20% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


3.33197422
45.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6) + 54.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.34154825
88.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 11.60% Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6)


3.38469387
33.20% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22) + 66.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.45658518
48.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 51.20% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


3.49091616
54.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 46.00% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


3.49104056
36.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 64.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.53860413
12.40% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15) + 87.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.55348265
47.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 53.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.58398833
70.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 29.80% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


3.63299048
43.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 56.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.72417685
32.40% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 67.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.72929930
58.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 42.00% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


3.74055817
8.20% Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6) + 91.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.86028119
62.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 37.20% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


3.92974702
80.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 19.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)





Well, we know that's wrong, so we start from there.

Angela
17-03-21, 23:42
You and I come from neighboring provinces and often get the same results.

Here is my latest.



Distance to:
Angela


6.58167152
Villanovans_(n=2)


7.43920023
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


7.96705717
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.89617165
Latins_(n=4)


13.13808205
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


13.49591049
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


13.54544942
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


14.35290215
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


16.39635935
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)


16.75045373
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


17.63364682
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


18.23290981
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


19.39564642
Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14)


20.64124996
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


20.64407663
LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8)


21.01154921
Middle_Chalcolithic_Hungary_(n=9)


21.30045305
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


21.32677660
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)


21.41171642
EN_Alfold_Linear_Pottery_culture_(n=20)


22.29873315
LN_Tisza-Sopot_culture_(n=11)


22.45266131
Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10)


23.30673722
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


23.32025086
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


23.68992824
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


23.79259339
Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10)








Distance to:
Angela


1.92071940
36.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 63.60% Latins_(n=4)


2.28144536
58.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 41.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


2.48232850
47.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 52.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


2.53019522
26.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 73.20% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.65448504
80.40% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 19.60% Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)


2.69107429
25.40% LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8) + 74.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.71775657
24.60% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 75.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.73060830
19.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 81.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.75253349
62.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 37.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


2.80036188
22.20% Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6) + 77.80% Latins_(n=4)


2.92440916
22.40% Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10) + 77.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.94910224
34.00% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 66.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.04045431
68.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 32.00% Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)


3.05563259
22.20% EN_LBK_culture_(n=43) + 77.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.05789511
29.60% Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8) + 70.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.07680600
58.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 41.20% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


3.15678046
19.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 80.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


3.30019818
57.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 42.20% Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)


3.30500432
21.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 78.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.31383097
27.00% Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9) + 73.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.32187667
21.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 78.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


3.39996995
20.20% Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4) + 79.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.42006999
58.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 41.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


3.42977687
51.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 48.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


3.46434520
24.20% Middle_Chalcolithic_Hungary_(n=9) + 75.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians





No real change in the first couple.

As I've said before the two way modeling has been pointed out by the researchers as not being always reliable. For a lot of people it just means, as perhaps in your case, 1/3 of the distance southeast on the line from Bronze Age Hungary. Those are not in any way proximal populations for you.

Angela
17-03-21, 23:44
Very interesting, you can see Greek input into the Levant after the Bronze Age, in the Iron Age Israel cohort. This probably due to invasions and migrations from the west into the Levant, such as the Philistines, and other south eastern European sources:


https://i.imgur.com/TgmA8MH.png

That's very interesting. There may not have been, as the paper said, no lasting genetic impact in the "modern" area around their ancient samples, but there might have have been a lasting influence, if small, in Israel.

Stuvanè
18-03-21, 00:22
You and I come from neighboring provinces and often get the same results.

Here is my latest.



Distance to:
Angela


6.58167152
Villanovans_(n=2)


7.43920023
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


7.96705717
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.89617165
Latins_(n=4)


13.13808205
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


13.49591049
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


13.54544942
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


14.35290215
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


16.39635935
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)


16.75045373
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


17.63364682
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


18.23290981
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


19.39564642
Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14)


20.64124996
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


20.64407663
LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8)


21.01154921
Middle_Chalcolithic_Hungary_(n=9)


21.30045305
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


21.32677660
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)


21.41171642
EN_Alfold_Linear_Pottery_culture_(n=20)


22.29873315
LN_Tisza-Sopot_culture_(n=11)


22.45266131
Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10)


23.30673722
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


23.32025086
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


23.68992824
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


23.79259339
Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10)







Distance to:
Angela


1.92071940
36.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 63.60% Latins_(n=4)


2.28144536
58.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 41.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


2.48232850
47.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 52.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


2.53019522
26.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 73.20% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.65448504
80.40% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 19.60% Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)


2.69107429
25.40% LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8) + 74.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.71775657
24.60% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 75.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.73060830
19.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 81.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.75253349
62.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 37.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


2.80036188
22.20% Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6) + 77.80% Latins_(n=4)


2.92440916
22.40% Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10) + 77.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.94910224
34.00% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 66.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.04045431
68.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 32.00% Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)


3.05563259
22.20% EN_LBK_culture_(n=43) + 77.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.05789511
29.60% Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8) + 70.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.07680600
58.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 41.20% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


3.15678046
19.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 80.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


3.30019818
57.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 42.20% Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)


3.30500432
21.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 78.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.31383097
27.00% Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9) + 73.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.32187667
21.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 78.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


3.39996995
20.20% Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4) + 79.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.42006999
58.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 41.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


3.42977687
51.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 48.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


3.46434520
24.20% Middle_Chalcolithic_Hungary_(n=9) + 75.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians




No real change in the first couple.

As I've said before the two way modeling has been pointed out by the researchers as not being always reliable. For a lot of people it just means, as perhaps in your case, 1/3 of the distance southeast on the line from Bronze Age Hungary. Those are not in any way proximal populations for you.

Run a PCA with some modern italians and me... Part of the solution to the riddle lies perhaps in the fact that some Levantine samples plot very close to Italian Greek (among other things with some oddities: the oldest ones like Pre-Pottery Levant and Natufian are closer to the Europeans of the remaining and more recent ... the opposite should happen). Is DodecadK12b well calibrated and suitable for capturing these differences?

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/161764118_283012666547913_1973307697375446722_n.pn g?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=uQ84MIWQk5gAX_6akah&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=cd21687f1ae56379a80fb7ff59957502&oe=6077A38F

Regio X
18-03-21, 01:12
Distance



Distance to:
RegioX_FTDNA


4.52675380
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


6.42409527
Villanovans_(n=2)


8.80230652
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


9.62271272
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.63916350
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.61560588
Latins_(n=4)


13.50716477
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


13.81305180
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


14.11527187
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


16.24135154
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


17.01244544
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


17.38017549
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


17.52065067
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


17.74810694
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


17.87650413
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


18.32570599
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


18.42020358
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


21.73982981
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


21.79638273
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


22.41455108
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


22.75703408
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


23.11561810
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


23.55566599
Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


23.92207976
Lombards_(n=28)


24.42059582
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)






Distance to:
RegioX_23andMe


4.09337269
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


6.22470883
Villanovans_(n=2)


9.11961622
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


9.78285234
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.53243562
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.67042844
Latins_(n=4)


13.95331143
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


14.27106864
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


14.61727403
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


16.64243672
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


17.34188859
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


17.60510153
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


17.68556191
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


17.85711623
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


18.23610430
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


18.36629794
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


18.82322236
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


22.12713493
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


22.16951962
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


22.70627887
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


22.84309524
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


23.02854316
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


23.95998748
Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


24.36635180
Lombards_(n=28)


24.86221430
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)






Distance to:
Father_23andMe


6.15135757
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


8.40281500
Villanovans_(n=2)


9.32106754
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


9.94150391
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


11.90811908
Etruscans_(n=3)


12.55194009
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


13.44686581
Latins_(n=4)


13.48863596
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


13.76427259
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.82601971
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


16.12715722
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


16.95590163
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


17.20500509
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


17.41228876
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


18.16099667
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


18.36066992
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


19.55837161
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


20.70152410
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


22.30504203
Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


22.67563009
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


22.94693008
Lombards_(n=28)


23.23493490
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


23.29350553
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


23.89348656
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


24.17516908
Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)






Distance to:
Mother_23andMe


5.46250858
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


7.17294221
Villanovans_(n=2)


9.05153578
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


10.14794068
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


11.54516782
Etruscans_(n=3)


12.29913818
Latins_(n=4)


12.78176044
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


13.06104896
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


13.16565608
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


15.00720494
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


16.03008422
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


16.72618307
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


16.99114181
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


16.99211582
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


17.48319193
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


18.73195398
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


19.12609213
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


20.38481052
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


22.02663388
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


22.29851340
Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


22.60199106
Lombards_(n=28)


22.97482535
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


23.08796007
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


23.18086711
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


24.26056059
Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)






Distance to:
Uncle_FTDNA


6.65598227
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


9.29159836
Villanovans_(n=2)


12.32132298
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


12.96923282
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


13.85721473
Etruscans_(n=3)


14.29645760
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


15.00647527
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.02249979
Latins_(n=4)


15.16950230
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


15.61958706
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


16.10063974
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


16.69472671
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


18.93063390
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


19.17189871
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


19.37618900
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


20.70667767
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


20.73690430
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


21.33879097
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


22.42305956
Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


23.06991331
Lombards_(n=28)


23.70492987
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


25.17092172
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


25.25390465
Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)


25.56794282
Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)


26.07871162
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)






Distance to:
In-law_23andMe


6.65115779
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


10.22352190
Villanovans_(n=2)


13.77077340
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


14.13531040
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


14.77458629
Etruscans_(n=3)


14.99664296
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


15.07743347
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


16.08778729
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


16.29994479
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


16.38211525
Latins_(n=4)


16.41921740
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


18.73325119
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


20.12691978
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


20.13441084
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


21.08926030
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


21.15116782
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


21.54232578
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


22.51404006
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


22.95946428
Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


23.91828798
Lombards_(n=28)


24.46206246
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


25.46325981
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


25.97365011
Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)


26.38307791
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


26.52165719
Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)




2way




Distance to:
RegioX_FTDNA


1.65748354
24.00% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 76.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.66079555
87.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 13.00% Anglo-Saxon_(n=3)


1.67252793
18.80% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 81.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.74926902
13.00% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 87.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.76477421
40.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 60.00% Lombards_(n=28)


1.78308586
85.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 14.20% Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)


1.79973147
14.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22) + 85.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.83234450
13.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28) + 86.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.92080720
72.80% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 27.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.95114784
11.60% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 88.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.95669985
66.60% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 33.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.96226943
18.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 81.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.07184724
22.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 77.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.08927486
41.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 58.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)


2.09484698
48.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 51.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)


2.13233224
85.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 14.40% Lombards_(n=28)


2.17165634
10.20% Catacomb_culture_(n=4) + 89.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.17960810
51.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 48.60% Anglo-Saxon_(n=3)


2.19009883
86.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 14.00% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


2.19356990
10.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 89.60% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.19836151
77.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 22.20% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


2.22645135
15.40% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 84.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.22900507
85.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 14.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


2.23494786
11.20% Poltavka_culture_(n=8) + 88.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.27153493

66.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 34.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)






Distance to:
RegioX_23andMe


1.62113218
21.40% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 78.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.66258519
88.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 11.60% Anglo-Saxon_(n=3)


1.69269007
11.60% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 88.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.72591369
16.60% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 83.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.75444606
12.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22) + 87.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.76857413
11.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28) + 88.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.77381315
87.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 12.60% Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)


1.83624360
10.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 89.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.87478837
40.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 59.20% Lombards_(n=28)


1.92615965
65.40% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 34.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.96838582
16.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 83.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.01654736
71.80% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 28.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


2.02854129
20.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 79.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.05470484
87.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 12.80% Lombards_(n=28)


2.06485042
49.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 50.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)


2.08765172
87.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 12.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


2.10458724
87.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 12.40% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


2.11360549
9.80% Catacomb_culture_(n=4) + 90.20% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.11792992
9.80% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3) + 90.20% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.12387782
13.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 86.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.15723944
10.00% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 90.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.20319730
80.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 19.20% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


2.23145199
42.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 58.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)


2.26315149
91.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 8.20% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)


2.26379478
52.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 47.80% Anglo-Saxon_(n=3)






Distance to:
Father_23andMe


1.70435498
66.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 33.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.72649841
57.80% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 42.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.78708237
55.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 44.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.82450264
41.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 58.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28)


2.05153988
50.80% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 49.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


2.23102618
45.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 54.80% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)


2.28546297
51.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28) + 48.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


2.36584890
61.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 39.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.39799615
39.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 60.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)


2.47468432
75.00% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 25.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


2.49856359
38.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 61.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


2.52484592
46.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 53.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)


2.54453470
77.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 22.60% Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6)


2.54468752
38.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 61.80% Lombards_(n=28)


2.56275257
69.20% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 30.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


2.57389843
33.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 66.20% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


2.60662130
37.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 62.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


2.64051166
48.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 51.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


2.64062310
64.20% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 35.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


2.73242409
13.20% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3) + 86.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.76334057
13.40% Catacomb_culture_(n=4) + 86.60% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.80293907
13.60% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 86.40% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.80561897
15.60% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 84.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.82371834
17.00% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 83.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.85989698
87.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 13.00% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)






Distance to:
Mother_23andMe


1.39600338
37.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 62.20% Lombards_(n=28)


1.41828946
14.20% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 85.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.42788324
14.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 85.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.45608551
81.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 19.00% Lombards_(n=28)


1.54181387
20.40% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 79.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.55221993
44.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 55.20% Lombards_(n=28)


1.56463877
84.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 15.60% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


1.57160698
10.80% West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=19) + 89.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.76323006
81.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 18.20% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


1.77175302
53.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 46.60% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)


1.78432064
81.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 18.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.79696172
9.20% Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 90.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.86204731
64.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 35.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.91902015
15.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22) + 84.20% Villanovans_(n=2)


1.93388378
15.80% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 84.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.93616883
16.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28) + 83.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.95672486
17.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22) + 82.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.96111220
14.60% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 85.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.98207300
89.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 10.60% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


1.98907130
84.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 15.80% Anglo-Saxon_(n=3)


1.99200945
22.60% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 77.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.02213740
45.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 54.40% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


2.06993393
82.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 17.20% Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)


2.15604750
10.20% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3) + 89.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.15627215
28.40% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 71.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians






Distance to:
Uncle_FTDNA


2.16248059
89.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 10.60% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)


2.17228736
9.40% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 90.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.26102532
88.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 12.00% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


2.27613236
9.80% Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 90.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.36646980
9.00% East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=10) + 91.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.62897121
87.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 12.60% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


2.69505548
11.00% Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 89.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.74931552
48.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 52.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.13281830
50.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 49.60% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


3.26420519
12.00% West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=19) + 88.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.31214402
44.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 55.40% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


3.34067284
39.40% West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=19) + 60.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.57744820
13.60% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22) + 86.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.58629843
43.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 56.80% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


3.61514245
15.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 84.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.67429127
83.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 16.40% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


3.82221553
36.00% Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 64.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.85139020
73.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 26.40% Ostrogoths_(n=3)


3.87730099
24.80% Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9) + 75.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


3.90159679
22.80% Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3) + 77.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


3.96951965
57.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 42.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.99301413
80.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 19.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


4.08558922
45.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 54.80% Lombards_(n=28)


4.10407997
20.40% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 79.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


4.10469267
8.00% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3) + 92.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians






Distance to:
In-law_23andMe


3.09640643
8.60% East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=10) + 91.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.29871889
90.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 9.80% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)


3.31187511
8.80% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3) + 91.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.34645946
89.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 11.00% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


3.34745163
8.60% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 91.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.41290918
10.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 89.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.44721146
10.20% Catacomb_culture_(n=4) + 89.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.48381933
46.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 53.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


3.53215353
8.80% Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 91.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.57344329
28.00% Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9) + 72.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


3.58969471
11.00% Poltavka_culture_(n=8) + 89.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.64100377
13.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22) + 86.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.73942375
88.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 11.40% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


3.86741925
45.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 54.40% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


3.95012462
87.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 12.80% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)


3.98772690
11.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=11) + 88.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


4.04001960
25.60% Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3) + 74.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


4.06616965
9.40% Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 90.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


4.14465305
51.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 48.20% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


4.15802127
45.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 54.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


4.22781649
73.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 26.20% Western_Scythians_(n=28)


4.25012031
9.00% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3) + 91.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


4.30966024
75.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 24.60% Ostrogoths_(n=3)


4.45818959
13.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 86.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


4.46873341
43.00% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22) + 57.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)




Single




Target: RegioX_FTDNA
Distance: 0.8704% / 0.87039577





19.7
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)






19.3
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)






19.3
Lombards_(n=28)






12.2
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)






9.7
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)






7.8
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)






6.4
Bronze_Age_Illyrians






4.4
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)






1.2
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)








Target: RegioX_23andMe
Distance: 0.8706% / 0.87059842





20.0
Lombards_(n=28)






19.0
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)






17.1
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)






12.8
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)






8.0
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)






7.4
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)






6.5
Bronze_Age_Illyrians






6.5
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)






2.2
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)






0.5
Latins_(n=4)








Target: Father_23andMe
Distance: 0.8583% / 0.85829950





27.9
Lombards_(n=28)






23.6
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)






22.9
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)






16.3
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)






5.9
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)






1.4
Bronze_Age_Illyrians






0.9
Chalcolithic_Israel






0.7
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)






0.3
Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)






0.1
Balkans_HG_(n=43)








Target: Mother_23andMe
Distance: 0.6678% / 0.66783938





25.6
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)






21.9
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)






17.0
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)






11.2
Unetice_culture_(n=18)






7.2
Villanovans_(n=2)






5.6
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)






4.5
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)






2.8
Balkans_HG_(n=43)






2.3
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)






1.7
Lombards_(n=28)






0.2
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)








Target: Uncle_FTDNA
Distance: 0.9664% / 0.96637492





38.4
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)






20.0
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)






17.4
Balkans_HG_(n=43)






10.9
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)






8.0
Villanovans_(n=2)






4.7
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)






0.6
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)








Target: In-law_23andMe
Distance: 1.7373% / 1.73725966





23.9
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)






21.1
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)






18.2
Balkans_HG_(n=43)






12.1
Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)






10.1
Bronze_Age_Illyrians






8.2
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)






4.1
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)






1.5
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)






0.8
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)

Jovialis
18-03-21, 01:32
Run a PCA with some modern italians and me... Part of the solution to the riddle lies perhaps in the fact that some Levantine samples plot very close to Italian Greek (among other things with some oddities: the oldest ones like Pre-Pottery Levant and Natufian are closer to the Europeans of the remaining and more recent ... the opposite should happen). Is DodecadK12b well calibrated and suitable for capturing these differences?

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/161764118_283012666547913_1973307697375446722_n.pn g?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=uQ84MIWQk5gAX_6akah&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=cd21687f1ae56379a80fb7ff59957502&oe=6077A38F

The 3D PCA is thrown off by the Early Neolithic Iran samples, it cause the placement to glitch. Try using this in it's place:


CHG:Satsurblia,39.87,0,0,0,0,9.81,0.59,0,0,0,47.87 ,1.87
CHG:KK1_Kotias,37.24,0.39,0,0,0,8.35,0.68,0,0,0,50 .16,3.17


Natufians are suppose to be at an extreme end downward on the z axis, opposite of CHG.

Jovialis
18-03-21, 01:40
@Stuvanè

Try to make a 3D PCA with these values, it shows the difference between Natufians and CHG well:


CHG:Satsurblia,39.87,0,0,0,0,9.81,0.59,0,0,0,47.87 ,1.87
CHG:KK1_Kotias,37.24,0.39,0,0,0,8.35,0.68,0,0,0,50 .16,3.17
Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6),0.00,0.34, 20.28,1.24,14.41,0.20,1.19,4.56,43.91,0.39,13.48,0 .00
West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=19),0.00,0.63,0.00,0.62,30 .77,65.92,0.38,0.09,0.00,0.02,0.00,1.57
EHG:I0061_UzOO74_Karelia_HG_Yuzhnyy_Oleni_Ostrov_K arelia_Russia_5500-5000_BCE,10.45,11.74,0,0,0,76.26,1.55,0,0,0,0,0
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15),0.02,0.06,3.91,0.2 3,45.42,2.00,0.19,0.18,11.92,0.15,35.05,0.87
C1_Mesolithic:R11_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,0,0.61,34. 46,64.51,0,0,0,0,0,0.42
C1_Mesolithic:R15_Grotta_Continenza,0,0.02,0,0.67, 32.48,66.25,0.59,0,0,0,0,0
C1_Mesolithic:R7_Grotta_Continenza,0,0.1,0,0,35.6, 63.41,0,0,0,0.23,0,0.66
C2_Chalcolithic:R1014_(Rinaldone_Gaudo)_Monte_San_ Biagio,0,0,4.04,0,62.82,4.57,0,0,10.06,0,18.52,0
C2_Chalcolithic:R4_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,2.77,0.12 ,60.45,3.99,0,0,10.54,0.02,21.81,0.32
C2_Chalcolithic:R5_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,2.97,0,63 .17,3.07,0,0,10.39,0,20.4,0
C2_Late_Antiquity_Sardinian-like:R104_Crypta_Balbi,0,0,4.78,0.01,59.82,6.86,0, 0.35,8.65,0,19.53,0
C2_Neolithic:R10_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,3.5,0,53.49 ,0,0,0,13.65,0,29.36,0
C2_Neolithic:R16_Ripabianca_di_Monterado,0,0,2.95, 0,58.11,1.77,0,0,9.21,0,27.95,0
C2_Neolithic:R17_Ripabianca_di_Monterado,0,0,4.12, 0,50.89,3.18,0,0,13.16,0,28.66,0
C2_Neolithic:R18_Ripabianca_di_Monterado,0,0,3.76, 0,52.08,0,0,0.13,9.55,0,34.48,0
C2_Neolithic:R19_Ripabianca_di_Monterado,0,0,2.57, 0,52.75,2.04,0,0,12.41,0,30.22,0
C2_Neolithic:R2_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,3.98,0,54.74 ,0,0,0,11.9,0,29.37,0
C2_Neolithic:R3_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,4.25,0,53.26 ,0,0,0,10.6,0,31.83,0.06
C2_Neolithic:R6_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,5.17,0,66.71 ,11.16,0,0.32,7.34,0.2,9.11,0
C2_Neolithic:R8_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,2.83,0,53.23 ,0,0,0,13.82,0.25,29.87,0
C2_Neolithic:R9_Grotta_Continenza,0,0,3.27,0,50.85 ,0,0,0,13.25,0,32.63,0
C3_Imperial_North_African:R132_Marcellino_&_Pietro,1.95,0,17.82,1.68,24.91,4.2,0,6.73,16.66,0 .14,24.2,1.71
C3_Imperial_North_African:R80_Viale_Rossini_Necrop olis,3.36,0,11.53,0,27.44,7.57,0,3.32,16.77,0.53,2 8.55,0.92
C3_Iron_Age_N_African/Euro-Mix:R475_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia,0,0,13.01,0,38.1 2,12.14,0.37,1.98,11.26,0,22.7,0.42
C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R126_Casale_del_Dolce,8.8 3,0.26,3.1,0.22,21.25,1.13,0.23,0,18.24,0.58,46.01 ,0.13
C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R1547_Monterotondo,8.11,0 ,5.71,0.6,17.28,0,0.11,1.9,23.95,0,42.35,0
C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R1550_Monterotondo,12.14, 0,7.34,0.46,14.89,1.07,0,1.17,23.92,0.34,38.67,0
C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R1551_Monterotondo,14.46, 0,0.14,0,10.32,4.49,0,0.8,14.76,0,54.71,0.33
C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R38_Isola_Sacra_Necropoli s,11.97,0.24,2.94,0,17.99,1.99,0.16,0.3,18.03,0,46 .26,0.13
C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R41_Isola_Sacra_Necropoli s,6.64,0,4.84,0.67,23.13,5.33,1.27,0.49,16.6,1.13, 39.89,0
C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R42_Isola_Sacra_Necropoli s,8.59,0,4.11,0.7,15.99,0,0,2.43,24.73,0.11,43.35, 0
C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R67_ANAS,18.68,0,4.6,1.07 ,9.94,3.61,0.35,1.73,17.57,0,42.45,0
C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R68_ANAS,17.97,0,3.37,0.0 5,12.85,0.02,0.07,0.75,20.03,0,44.4,0.49
C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R70_ANAS,9.49,0,2.06,0,21 .22,2.38,0,1.98,20.77,0,42.11,0
C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R73_ANAS,10.54,0,6.31,0,2 3.41,4.26,0.54,1.07,18.58,0,34.82,0.46
C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R75_Viale_Rossini_Necropo lis,7.98,0,5.03,0,21.77,4.36,0.69,1.1,16,0,43.06,0
C4_Imperial_Near_Eastern:R76_Viale_Rossini_Necropo lis,7.62,0,2.87,0,16.37,6.49,0.44,0,19.71,0,46.28, 0.23
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R114_Via_Paisiel lo_Necropolis,8.09,0,1.77,0,24.05,13.69,0,0,14.58, 0,37.27,0.55
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R115_Via_Paisiel lo_Necropolis,8.07,0.32,4.39,0,21.27,10.82,0.08,0, 15.83,0,39.22,0
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R123_Casale_del_ Dolce,9.2,0,0.29,1.08,24.53,8.82,0,0,15.68,0,40.25 ,0.15
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R128_Casale_del_ Dolce,8.9,0,0.99,0,20.2,8.72,0.02,0,14.6,0,46.57,0
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R130_Marcellino_&_Pietro,9.5,0,4.35,0,24.11,2.09,0.93,0,17.15,0,41. 34,0.53
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R133_Marcellino_&_Pietro,7.57,0.6,2.99,0.9,26.1,7.43,0.3,0,14.24,0, 39.87,0
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R134_Marcellino_&_Pietro,8.38,0,5,0.32,22.73,7.35,0,1.16,15.45,0,39 .61,0
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R1543_Necropolis _of_Monte_Agnese,8.61,0,6.43,0,21.01,9.18,0.27,0.2 4,15.01,0.04,39.07,0.15
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R1545_Necropolis _of_Monte_Agnese,7.66,0,1.16,0.13,25.08,8.12,1.02, 0.68,15.23,0,40.91,0.01
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R1548_Monteroton do,10.45,0,1.98,0,23.44,10.87,0,0.17,13.89,0,39.2, 0
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R39_Isola_Sacra_ Necropolis,7.28,0.63,4.84,0.13,24.91,8.16,0,0,13.2 4,0,40.81,0
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R40_Isola_Sacra_ Necropolis,7.71,0.52,1.07,0,27.37,5.97,0.18,0,15.6 2,0,40.97,0.59
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R43_Isola_Sacra_ Necropolis,8.22,0,1.75,0,26.54,3.53,0,0,12.78,0,47 .18,0
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R44_Isola_Sacra_ Necropolis,5.55,0,2.77,0,28.87,3.97,0.13,0,12.83,0 ,45.88,0
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R45_Isola_Sacra_ Necropolis,5.04,0,9.86,0,27.46,7.12,0.8,0,16.44,0, 32.4,0.88
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R50_Centocelle_N ecropolis,7.53,0,1.05,0.21,25.19,11.68,0.91,0,15.8 8,0,36.59,0.96
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R66_ANAS,7.41,0, 0,0.88,25.05,8.08,0,0,17.27,0,40.91,0.4
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R69_ANAS,7.53,0. 81,1.02,0.13,27.49,11.79,0,0,9.62,0,41.55,0.06
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R71_ANAS,6.68,0, 5.09,0,20.64,2.69,0,0,11.98,0,52.93,0
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R72_ANAS,8.65,0. 16,0.83,0,23.62,5.24,0,0,17.14,0,44.18,0.19
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R78_Viale_Rossin i_Necropolis,7.65,0,3.34,0,22.1,4.52,0,0.02,13.76, 0,48.61,0
C5_Imperial_Eastern_Mediterranean:R81_Viale_Rossin i_Necropolis,7.42,0.22,2.73,0,24.82,7.29,1.23,0.08 ,17.23,0,38.98,0
C5_Iron_Age_Eastern_Mediterranean:R850_(Latini)_Ar dea,7.3,0,4.52,1.08,21.26,10.54,0,0.43,14.77,0,40. 1,0
C5_Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R122_S_Erc olano_Necropolis_Ostia,7.08,0,4.18,0,30.04,13.41,0 ,1.27,10.43,0.03,33.34,0.22
C5_Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R30_Mausol e_di_Augusto,7.67,0,4.49,0.47,27.34,8.56,0.25,1.38 ,11.74,0.86,37,0.24
C5_Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R32_Mausol e_di_Augusto,5.9,0,7.07,0.12,29.06,12.9,1.05,1.03, 7.57,0,35.31,0
C5_Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R34_Mausol e_di_Augusto,7.07,0,5.54,0.36,23.2,8.09,0,0.46,15. 08,0,39.85,0.35
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R111_Via_Paisiello_Necro polis,6.64,0,0.78,0,36.44,17.99,0,0,9.81,0,28.34,0
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R113_Via_Paisiello_Necro polis,8.45,0,3.11,0,34.12,13.68,0,0,8.74,0,31.9,0
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R125_Casale_del_Dolce,8. 93,0,2.88,0,27.65,10.15,0,0,10.93,0,39.18,0.28
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R131_Via_Paisiello_Necro polis,7.3,0.24,0.94,0.57,31.63,13.18,0.27,0,11.79, 0,33.23,0.84
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R136_Marcellino_&_Pietro,8.83,0.08,3.88,0,26.08,13.09,0.38,0,12.75, 0,34.91,0
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R137_Marcellino_&_Pietro,9.38,0,2.53,0.51,28.21,9.34,0,0.62,11.96,0 ,37.44,0
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R1544_Necropolis_of_Mont e_Agnese,9.52,0.56,2.18,0,26.06,13.98,0,0,12.91,0, 34.79,0
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R1549_Monterotondo,9.97, 0,3.98,0.04,27.49,20.49,0,0.96,10.94,0.05,26.09,0
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R436_Palestrina,9.6,0,1. 82,0.43,26.49,13.28,0.49,0,12.29,0,35.59,0
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R47_Centocelle_Necropoli s,9.46,0.81,6.07,0,29.75,11.89,0,0,9.42,0.26,32.29 ,0.04
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R49_Centocelle_Necropoli s,7.98,0,1.6,0,29.25,14.18,0,1.09,11.35,0,34.56,0
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R51_Centocelle_Necropoli s,7.59,0,1.8,0,26.04,10.54,0,0,13.48,1.12,39.43,0
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R835_Civitanova_Marche,8 .06,0.47,2.84,1.58,30.3,16.15,0,0,10.89,0,29.71,0
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R836_Civitanova_Marche,8 .69,0,0.99,0,30.95,15.55,0,0,10.4,0,33.42,0
C6_Iron_Age_Mediterranean:R437_(Latin_Prenestini_T ribe)_Palestrina_Selicata,6.45,0,3.03,0,33.19,11.9 4,0,0,11.63,0,33.74,0.02
C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R107_Crypta_Balbi, 3.12,0,2.59,0,30.01,16.9,1.72,0,13.16,0,32.5,0
C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R117_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia,10.46,0,2.59,0,30.04,12.2,0,1.12,11 .07,0,32.5,0.03
C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R118_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia,7.28,0.85,1.85,0,34.72,14.81,0,0,11 .95,0,28.29,0.24
C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R120_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia,5.11,0.47,2.1,0,33.79,17.98,0,1.11, 11.27,0,27.96,0.21
C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R121_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia,7.68,0,2.81,0,29.21,18.18,0,0.9,11. 76,0,29.47,0
C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R35_Celio,5.62,0,4 .55,0.11,28.56,13.42,1.72,0.59,12.58,0,32.74,0.11
C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R36_Celio,7.23,0,3 .17,0,32.85,20.1,0,0.35,9.77,0,26.5,0.02
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1283_Cancelleria,4.58,0 ,1.73,0,34.27,18.15,0,0.08,11.02,0,29.41,0.75
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1285_Cancelleria,3.81,0 ,0.85,0,37.37,17.26,1.47,0.56,9.42,0.11,28.92,0.22
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1287_Cancelleria,4.06,0 .07,3.1,0.26,36.74,17.09,0,0.92,9.04,0,28.72,0
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1290_Villa_Magna,6.3,0, 1.09,0.34,30.16,15.96,0.27,0,12.04,0.09,32.81,0.93
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R52_Villa_Magna,6.33,0.0 3,2.97,0.51,32.78,13.44,0,0,11.7,0.26,31.55,0.43
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R53_Villa_Magna,8.14,0,2 .82,0,26.42,13.27,0.28,0,12.24,0.36,36.47,0
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R54_Villa_Magna,8.69,0,2 .1,0.6,27.47,15.83,0.33,0.49,11.57,0.23,32.47,0.23
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R56_Villa_Magna,7.11,0.3 5,3.14,0,30.08,13.27,0,1.09,11.58,0,33.32,0.08
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R57_Villa_Magna,6.89,0,2 .97,0.58,27.5,15.59,0.32,0,11.52,0,34.62,0
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R58_Villa_Magna,5.26,0,1 .27,0,28.14,15.43,0,1.23,12.83,0,35.8,0.05
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R59_Villa_Magna,4.24,0,2 .25,0.19,28.74,15.8,0.31,0,12.53,0.66,34.39,0.88
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R60_Villa_Magna,6.75,0.6 8,3.35,0,27.36,18.94,0,1.54,11.04,0,30.34,0
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R64_Villa_Magna,9.93,1.3 6,1.96,0,27.12,14.16,0,0.7,11.69,0,32.77,0.3
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R65_Villa_Magna,7.61,0,2 .22,0.3,28.15,13.4,0,0,12.74,0,35.2,0.38
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R969_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cian ti,6.45,0.25,0.99,0,30.4,17.81,0.65,1.1,11.67,0,30 .67,0
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R970_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cian ti,9.25,0,5.12,0.53,29.32,18.41,0,0,7.11,0,30.25,0 .01
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R973_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cian ti,8.17,0.16,2.94,0,28.76,15.28,0,0,10.56,0.15,33. 57,0.4
C7_Imperial_European:R116_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis ,5.91,0.1,1.46,0.63,44.11,34.08,0,0,3.33,0,10.38,0
C7_Imperial_European:R37_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis,2. 14,1,2.7,0,50.7,31.46,0,0,4.24,0,7.65,0.12
C7_Iron_Age_European:R1_(Protovillanovan)_Martinsi curo,5.02,1.78,1.33,0,35.08,26.46,0,0,5.43,0,24.5, 0.4
C7_Iron_Age_European:R1015_(Villanovan)_Veio_Grott a_Gramiccia,1.56,0.19,2.85,0.26,47.15,21.66,0,0,5. 46,0,20.85,0
C7_Iron_Age_European:R1016_(Latini)_Castel_di_Deci ma,3.86,0.98,1.53,0.19,47.23,20.37,1.43,0,3.31,0,2 1.1,0
C7_Iron_Age_European:R1021_(Latini)_Boville_Ernica ,2.11,0,1.96,0.6,47.7,24.04,0,0,1.33,0,22.26,0
C7_Iron_Age_European:R435_(Latin_Prenestini_Tribe) _Palestrina_Colombella,4.84,0.64,0.65,0,47.12,28.5 4,0.15,0,4.13,0,13.4,0.53
C7_Iron_Age_European:R473_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia ,1.01,0,0.68,0.15,47.26,22.79,0,0.21,7.39,0,20.17, 0.34
C7_Iron_Age_European:R474_(Etruscan)_Civitavecchia ,7.14,0.17,2.38,0,39.08,25.74,0,0,5.98,0,18.84,0.6 6
C7_Iron_Age_European:R851_(Latini)_Ardea,1.59,0,1. 39,0,49.28,24.97,0,0.14,1.93,0,20.26,0.45
C7_Late_Antiquity_European:R105_Crypta_Balbi,6.44, 0.32,4.78,0.53,36.54,27.56,0,0,5.54,0,17.97,0.32
C7_Late_Antiquity_European:R106_Crypta_Balbi,10.12 ,0,1.03,0,32.93,38.92,1.43,0,4.07,0,11.22,0.28
C7_Late_Antiquity_European:R108_Crypta_Balbi,5.92, 0,1.71,1.18,35.43,34.64,0,0,5.06,0,16.06,0
C7_Late_Antiquity_European:R109_Crypta_Balbi,4.36, 0,0.84,0,41.26,29.23,0,0.72,8.18,0.42,15,0
C7_Late_Antiquity_European:R110_Crypta_Balbi,4.57, 1.19,2.38,0.76,41.91,24.74,0.07,0,5.24,0,18.96,0.1 7
C7_Late_Antiquity_European:R31_Mausole_di_Augusto, 5.84,0.94,0.78,0,36.7,45.57,0,0,1.73,0,8.17,0.27
C7_Late_Antiquity_European:R33_Mausole_di_Augusto, 3.17,0,0.94,0.28,36.83,26.77,0.81,0.78,6.72,0,23.7 ,0
C7_Medieval_European:R1219_Cancelleria,5.41,1.1,0. 62,0,33.71,41.27,0.26,1.03,1.96,0,14.64,0
C7_Medieval_European:R1220_Cancelleria,8.3,0,1.95, 0,35.89,34.62,0.22,0,4.39,0.47,13.32,0.82
C7_Medieval_European:R1221_Cancelleria,8.1,0,2.34, 0.49,37.74,30.14,1.07,0,5.02,0.51,14.57,0
C7_Medieval_European:R1224_Cancelleria,8.22,0,0.3, 0,39.76,31.51,1.23,0.65,3.29,0,14.75,0.29
C7_Medieval_European:R1286_Cancelleria,7.61,0,0,0, 35.1,45.43,0,0.12,2.1,1.05,8.35,0.24
C7_Medieval_European:R1288_Cancelleria,4.3,0.07,0, 0.33,37.75,41.25,0,0.99,2.37,1.76,10.76,0.43
C7_Medieval_European:R1289_Cancelleria,5.78,0,1.08 ,0,47.4,25.74,1.87,0.62,4.57,0.14,12.29,0.5
C7_Medieval_European:R55_Villa_Magna,6.32,0,1.47,0 .24,36.06,27.04,0.1,0,7.59,0,21.04,0.14
C7_Medieval_European:R61_Villa_Magna,1.37,0.04,3.5 5,0,35.8,32.5,1.16,0,4.96,0.89,19.29,0.44
C7_Medieval_European:R62_Villa_Magna,7.79,0.51,0.9 8,0,36.22,38.71,1.46,0,2.81,0,11.52,0
C7_Medieval_European:R63_Villa_Magna,2.65,0,4.67,0 .48,45.4,26.94,0.9,0.04,4.71,0.5,13.32,0.39

Jovialis
18-03-21, 01:42
^^
https://i.imgur.com/Oqz2Zqv.png

italouruguayan
18-03-21, 01:57
My latest results ... Bronze Age Ilyrians in fifth place


Distance to: italouruguayan


11.56324781 Western_Scythians_(n=28)
16.23768764 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
16.91561409 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
17.22619517 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
17.28995084 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
17.89198424 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
19.14316327 Villanovans_(n=2)
19.54538309 BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
19.86298819 Etruscans_(n=3)
21.62285365 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
21.99280109 Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
22.57669816 Cimmerians_(n=6)
22.99249008 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
23.87470209 Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)
24.54381592 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
24.58744802 Latins_(n=4)
25.13049741 Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
25.33739134 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
26.33592983 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)
27.15390580 Lombards_(n=28)
27.68604522 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
28.13606227 Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)
28.31531741 Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)
28.74993739 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
29.18052433 Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28)
29.41170175 Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)
29.95861979 Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)
30.08887336 Sarmatians_(n=14)
30.54951718 Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)
30.92647248 Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)

Palermo Trapani
18-03-21, 02:43
With updated groupings, I get the following single distances. Everything is essentially the same, although Iron Age Israel is now in top 25. Two way modelling does have the 2 Italian Greeks in 21 of the 25 models. Unrestricted Model seems reasonable I think for me



Distance to:
PalermoTrapani_Combined


6.83698764
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


12.65821867
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


17.50304259
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


17.97204496
Etruscans_(n=3)


18.78715785
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


19.21764814
Villanovans_(n=2)


19.82548864
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


20.30116992
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


20.48159662
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)


20.65298526
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


20.96465359
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


21.32149151
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)


21.65835174
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


24.33245158
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15)


24.55982695
LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8)


24.76610991
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


25.89569848
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


25.90362716
Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6)


26.03380687
EN_LBK_culture_(n=43)


26.19872325
LN_Tisza-Sopot_culture_(n=11)


26.24746273
Latins_(n=4)


26.54942561
MN_Vinca_culture_(n=6)


26.68331126
Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14)


26.83177594
Middle_Chalcolithic_Hungary_(n=9)


27.03608699
EN_Alfold_Linear_Pottery_culture_(n=20)





Distance to:
PalermoTrapani_Combined


1.52103949
76.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 23.60% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


1.68356643
78.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 21.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


1.79832498
15.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7) + 85.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.87882759
14.80% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 85.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.93276489
73.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 26.80% Etruscans_(n=3)


2.17237856
14.80% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38) + 85.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.19395038
11.40% MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6) + 88.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.25772319
50.40% Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6) + 49.60% Latins_(n=4)


2.35084180
47.60% Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3) + 52.40% Latins_(n=4)


2.48503646
42.40% Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6) + 57.60% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.53444887
15.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 84.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.67707105
14.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 85.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.71796393
42.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 57.40% Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6)


2.72265633
84.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 15.60% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


2.79434196
13.20% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6) + 86.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.81250419
75.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 24.60% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.85690664
14.20% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 85.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.87650307
80.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 19.20% Latins_(n=4)


2.87872711
15.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 84.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.98357054
14.80% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6) + 85.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.14318827
12.00% Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2) + 88.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.14517773
75.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 24.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


3.15036886
26.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 74.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.15365010
19.00% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 81.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


3.18580703
15.60% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 84.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)




Target: PalermoTrapani_Combined
Distance: 0.9223% / 0.92231120 | ADC: 0.25x RC


66.1
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)





23.6
Etruscans_(n=3)





4.3
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)





4.0
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15)





2.0
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)

Salento
18-03-21, 05:26
...new 2WAY
same top positions,
... going down, ... 2 Illyrians and 3 Israel:


https://i.imgur.com/XUJ2LIl.jpg

Jovialis
18-03-21, 12:15
Run a PCA with some modern italians and me... Part of the solution to the riddle lies perhaps in the fact that some Levantine samples plot very close to Italian Greek (among other things with some oddities: the oldest ones like Pre-Pottery Levant and Natufian are closer to the Europeans of the remaining and more recent ... the opposite should happen). Is DodecadK12b well calibrated and suitable for capturing these differences?

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/161764118_283012666547913_1973307697375446722_n.pn g?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=uQ84MIWQk5gAX_6akah&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=cd21687f1ae56379a80fb7ff59957502&oe=6077A38F

Just to reiterate,

Samples like Early Iran and other samples like it seem to break the 3D PCA for Dodecad K12b, (Nevertheless, it seems to work with Dodecad Globe 13) The calculator itself works just fine; it is just with the visual representation using the 3D PCA that has an issue.

Here is an accurate 3D PCA for Dodecad K12b using just CHG. Here it projects the samples accurately, and shows the radical difference between the Greek samples and Natufian:

https://i.imgur.com/FzvuEvK.png

https://i.imgur.com/ucaG2pv.png

Minoans plot very close to Anatolian_N and pulled a bit towards CHG. This is correct, as they are a majority Anatolian_N with a dash of CHG, in admixture.

The Natufians and other Levantine samples are far removed from the Greek samples, in actuality.

Jovialis
18-03-21, 12:19
^^Italian-Greeks_(n=2), I believe is a combination of R850, and R437, which makes it plot right between C6 and C5:

https://i.imgur.com/LuNn6Ue.png

lacreme
18-03-21, 14:00
My Greek friend (original MyHeritage test + allSNPs+23&MeV3 from WGSextract using the data from an additional WGS test of his ) plus his mother and his non biological maternal grandfather.
What do you think ? IMHO their results apart from the grandfather's seem a little off.



Distance to:
Chris(MH)


3.81167969
64.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 36.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=11)


4.23790371
38.80% Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3) + 61.20% Etruscans_(n=3)


4.48426095
72.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 27.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=11)


4.48900168
42.80% Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9) + 57.20% Villanovans_(n=2)


4.83324718
53.80% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 46.20% Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)







Distance to:
Chris(23&MeV3)


4.48538313
38.60% Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3) + 61.40% Etruscans_(n=3)


4.97574291
72.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 27.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=11)


5.01612899
64.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 36.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=11)


5.22430880
37.20% Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3) + 62.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


5.22452479
9.20% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16) + 90.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)







Distance to:
Chris(allSNPS)


3.61736499
36.80% Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3) + 63.20% Etruscans_(n=3)


3.81168963
72.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 27.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=11)


4.41620169
63.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 36.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=11)


4.53281007
40.40% Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9) + 59.60% Villanovans_(n=2)


4.63794769
12.60% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22) + 87.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)







Distance to:
Chris_Mom


3.56225642
22.20% Maykop_culture_(n=16) + 77.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


4.67980808
13.80% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=11) + 86.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


4.83331732
17.60% Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3) + 82.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


5.25364310
53.80% Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9) + 46.20% Etruscans_(n=3)


5.26404772
42.20% Maykop_culture_(n=16) + 57.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)







Distance to:
Chris_non_bio_grandpa


4.59322072
21.00% East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=10) + 79.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


5.00635738
28.40% East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=10) + 71.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


5.15224060
20.60% West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=19) + 79.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


5.38495320
21.00% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 79.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


5.41598852
77.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 23.00% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)

Maciamo
18-03-21, 14:24
I have just added:

- Late Neolithic Azerbaijan : resemble most modern West Armenians (5.1) and Greeks from Pontus (5.7)

- Chalcolithic Anatolia : closest to modern Greeks from Cappadocia (8.5), then Greek Cypriots (9.6)

- Chalcolithic North Levant : no similar modern population. The closest are modern Cypriots (12.6)

- Early Bronze Age Anatolia : no similar modern population. The closest are modern West Armenians (10.2) and Lebanese Christians (10.3)

- Early-Middle Bronze Age North Levant : close to modern Palestinian Christians (5.5) and Syrian Christians (5.7)

- Middle-Late Bronze Age North Levant : similar to Lebanese Christians (3.8)

torzio
18-03-21, 16:13
Distance to:

TorzioK12b



3.84695984
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


6.60722332
Villanovans_(n=2)


10.01532825
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


10.09930691
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.59642393
Etruscans_(n=3)


13.13600776
Latins_(n=4)


14.94662838
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


15.40992213
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.55084564
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


17.07502855
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


17.36721336
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


17.55117945
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


17.85517012
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


18.58959117
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


18.62277101
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


19.31956780
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


19.66164540
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


22.48866826
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


23.05887248
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


23.65544969
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


24.21328561
Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


24.30430209
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


24.44917995
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


24.78461821
Lombards_(n=28)


25.01795755
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)






Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 1.0388% / 1.03879936 | ADC: 0.25x RC





52.8
Bronze_Age_Illyrians






37.9
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)






7.5
Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)






1.8
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)








Distance to:
Torziok12b


1.32271482
38.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 61.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.42644518
64.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 35.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.47469894
23.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 76.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.64679071
54.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.73354583
39.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 60.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.73485819
63.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 37.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.77723273
36.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 64.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.84345179
47.00% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 53.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.85816164
49.20% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 50.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.88567928
22.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 77.60% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.92274543
50.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28) + 50.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.94434013
23.60% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 76.40% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


1.98070746
23.40% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 76.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


1.99577565
53.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 46.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)


2.03184545
22.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 77.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


2.04662315
13.00% Catacomb_culture_(n=4) + 87.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.04890312
88.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 11.60% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)


2.05869781
58.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 41.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.07154006
39.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 60.60% Lombards_(n=28)


2.11079009
13.20% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 86.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.12848251
12.60% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3) + 87.40% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.12911940
45.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 54.20% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


2.13215930
22.60% Late_Neolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=2) + 77.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


2.16365463
46.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 53.40% Lombards_(n=28)


2.16703782
27.80% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 72.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)

Duarte
18-03-21, 16:48
Updated according post #109

In the combined multiple populations mode Latins and Middle Late Bronze Age North Caucasus now appear in some combos. 2way e single without changes.



Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.7770% / 2.77697645




29.5
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





29.1
Latins_(n=4)





21.8
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





5.9
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





5.9
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





5.1
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





2.7
Ostrogoths_(n=3)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.7781% / 2.77807097 | R7P




31.8
Latins_(n=4)





29.5
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





23.5
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





6.1
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





5.3
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





3.8
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.7783% / 2.77834149 | R6P




31.9
Latins_(n=4)





29.0
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





23.6
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





6.3
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





5.4
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





3.8
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.8977% / 2.89774557 | R5P




38.6
Latins_(n=4)





23.9
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





23.8
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





8.5
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





5.2
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.9846% / 2.98464166 | R4P




43.8
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





27.3
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





15.0
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





13.9
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=11)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.2280% / 3.22797851 | R3P




49.5
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)





43.8
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





6.7
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=11)









Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.6642% / 4.66417136 | R2P




52.4
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





47.6
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)








Distance to:
Duarte


4.66417136
47.60% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 52.40% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


4.85328375
49.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 51.00% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.04636530
24.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7) + 76.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.18746490
22.80% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 77.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.19626512
42.80% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 57.20% Ostrogoths_(n=3)


5.42021978
20.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38) + 79.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.51279033
82.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9) + 17.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.55329431
48.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7) + 51.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.63868310
8.20% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.66006917
11.00% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 89.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.66539760
11.80% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=59) + 88.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.67109585
5.80% Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5) + 94.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.73086346
6.00% Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=10) + 94.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.73125619
6.40% Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10) + 93.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.77419747
6.80% Middle_Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12) + 93.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78241084
7.40% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=59) + 92.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78342255
6.60% Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13) + 93.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78479561
6.80% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 93.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.80845669
7.60% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58) + 92.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.81063741
32.40% MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6) + 67.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.81776672
7.20% Neolithic_Britain_(n=62) + 92.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.81831970
13.20% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6) + 86.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.82309411
8.20% Megalithic_Europe_(n=24) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.83295874
12.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7) + 87.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.84198322
20.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 80.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)






Distance to:
Duarte


6.17150711
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.71266713
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.86048341
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.27186764
Latins_(n=4)


12.12435978
Villanovans_(n=2)


14.03098001
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


14.05696980
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


14.52055095
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


14.84792915
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


15.13849068
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


15.21667178
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


15.30209790
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.31625933
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


16.25126149
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


16.49046998
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


16.58959915
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


17.46561765
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


18.93396947
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


21.80919989
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


22.92128923
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)


22.94319289
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


23.82327643
Megalithic_Europe_(n=24)


24.01004581
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


24.60763906
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


24.61869615
Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14)

Jovialis
18-03-21, 19:47
Here are my results after the latest update:

https://i.imgur.com/ZSdcxaP.png

Duarte
19-03-21, 03:26
I excuse Maciamo to play around with the Dodecad K12b distances in my specific case. To play, I chose to add a specific population to Maciamo's coordinates, the YRU (Yorubá), which in the papers is the most chosen by geneticists to represent SSA and, not by chance, is considered a 100% SSA population in Dodecad K12b, with the following coordinates:
Yoruba,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,0.00,100.00
That done, my single and 2way populations did not change (distances and groups), but the combo populations, especially those displayed in the shorter distances (also slightly smaller), there was an interesting change, ever displaying YRU ~ 3%.




Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.5223% / 1.52233634


34.8
Latins_(n=4)





13.9
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





10.6
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





8.9
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=11)





8.8
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





8.1
Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)





7.9
Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10)





3.3
Yoruba





2.8
Anglo-Saxon_(n=3)





0.9
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.5284% / 1.52843827 | R7P


47.5
Latins_(n=4)





18.4
Anglo-Saxon_(n=3)





14.1
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





8.8
Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10)





5.2
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





3.3
Yoruba





2.7
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.5316% / 1.53156934 | R6P


52.5
Latins_(n=4)





21.3
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





14.5
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





5.6
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





3.1
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)





3.0
Yoruba








Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.5560% / 1.55595352 | R5P


54.0
Latins_(n=4)





22.6
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





14.8
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





5.6
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





3.0
Yoruba








Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.1821% / 2.18206431 | R4P




62.4
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)





18.9
Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10)





15.5
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





3.2
Yoruba








Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.8779% / 2.87789381 | R4P


63.1
Latins_(n=4)





17.7
Anglo-Saxon_(n=3)





15.9
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





3.3
Yoruba








Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.1856% / 3.18560380 | R3P


54.1
Ostrogoths_(n=3)





42.2
Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10)





3.7
Yoruba









Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.6886% / 4.68855812 | R2P


96.4
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)





3.6
Yoruba

New Englander
19-03-21, 04:39
Distance to:
New_Englander


1.91513994
48.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 51.40% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


2.06204612
53.40% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 46.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4)


2.10197755
44.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 56.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


2.20430688
23.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 76.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.24565220
53.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 47.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4)


2.38966631
75.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 24.40% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


2.41028719
72.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 28.00% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


2.43143618
24.20% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 75.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.48776648
53.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 46.40% Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)


2.50057345
57.60% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 42.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4)


2.63898356
22.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22) + 77.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.79019952
44.40% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 55.60% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


2.80968080
28.20% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 71.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.81155835
51.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 48.40% Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)


2.88563542
73.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 26.80% Lombards_(n=28)


2.92400240
73.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 27.00% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


2.93111738
47.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=24) + 52.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


2.95725068
24.80% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 75.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.98348304
55.20% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 44.80% Anglo-Saxon_(n=3)


2.98620518
25.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28) + 74.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.99312141
19.00% West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=19) + 81.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.99441066
44.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 56.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


3.01892404
51.80% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 48.20% Lombards_(n=28)


3.03767613
47.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=24) + 52.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


3.04261002
49.00% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 51.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)

Salento
19-03-21, 06:43
Salento_me vs Italian_Apulia:

https://i.imgur.com/fAHw65t.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/BeIp8uK.jpg

Maciamo
19-03-21, 14:11
I have just added Early Medieval Czechs and updated Bronze Age Hungarians.

torzio
19-03-21, 17:04
Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 1.2628% / 1.26276550 | ADC: 0.25x RC




59.5
Bronze_Age_Illyrians






27.7
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)






5.3
Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)






4.3
Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)






3.2
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=11)

























@Maciano..............how many samples in Bronze_Age_Illyrians ?? .......as there is no number for them and what ID samples are used ?

torzio
19-03-21, 17:05
Distance to:
TorzioK12b



3.84695984
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


6.60722332
Villanovans_(n=2)


10.01532825
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


10.09930691
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.59642393
Etruscans_(n=3)


13.13600776
Latins_(n=4)


14.94662838
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


15.40992213
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.55084564
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


17.07502855
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


17.36721336
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


17.55117945
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


17.85517012
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


18.58959117
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


18.62277101
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


19.31956780
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


19.66164540
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


22.48866826
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


23.05887248
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


23.65544969
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


24.21328561
Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


24.30430209
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


24.44917995
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


24.78461821
Lombards_(n=28)


25.01795755
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)

Gabriele Pashaj
19-03-21, 18:46
12616

Questi sono miei( a patto che si vedano)
....

New Englander
20-03-21, 00:15
Distance to:
New_Englander


13.24099694
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


13.67947733
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


16.99512871
Villanovans_(n=2)


17.96621273
Etruscans_(n=3)


19.41266854
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


19.47834182
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


19.57696606
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


20.10595186
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


21.83779293
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


24.77908190
Latins_(n=4)


25.04295110
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


26.10763681
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


26.48658717
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


27.17425988
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)


27.21357749
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


27.30644613
Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)


28.31092369
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)


28.36933908
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


28.38624139
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


28.63709308
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


29.30666989
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


30.47672555
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15)


30.85955768
Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6)


31.02322839
Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6)


31.12084028
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=24)





I find it interesting that I'm getting exactly 75% Greek_Italian and 25% NW/N Eurpean. Shows that Greek_Italian is basically 2/3 Modern South Italian and 1/3 Jewish.

Armatus
20-03-21, 00:16
Distance to:
Armatus


4.06329915
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


4.26705988
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


4.92203210
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


5.65489169
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


6.19568398
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


7.98861064
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


9.53192530
Lombards_(n=28)


10.10825405
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


10.21814073
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


10.37399152
Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


10.67690967
Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)


10.76906681
Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)


12.31251396
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=6)


12.93411767
Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28)


13.39248297
Anglo-Saxon_(n=3)


13.72159247
Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)


14.59197382
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


16.20956816
Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


16.94420845
Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)


17.38004028
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


17.49878567
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


17.75259136
Unetice_culture_(n=18)


17.88280459
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


18.39580115
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)


19.52512228
Bronze_Age_Illyrians






Target: Armatus
Distance: 0.6235% / 0.62348378



47.7
Anglo-Saxon_(n=3)





17.6
Early_Medieval_Czechs





10.7
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)





9.2
Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)





6.8
Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)





6.1
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)





0.9
Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10)





0.6
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)





0.2
Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10)





0.2
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=11)



Great work!

Maciamo
20-03-21, 15:54
I have added:

Sintashta culture
Bronze Age Armenia

I separated the Corded Ware culture into East, West and North (Battle-Axe culture).

There are no close modern equivalent to the East and West Corded Ware, but the Battle-Axe culture is similar to modern Swedes (distance of 7). The Sintashta culture is also closest to the Swedes (distance of 11).

Bronze Age Armenia is like modern Dagestan.

Duarte
20-03-21, 17:20
My combos where the Armenia Bronze Age population is displayed



Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.5206% / 1.52064132




31.0
Latins_(n=4)





14.0
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





12.9
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





10.4
Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)





9.8
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





5.9
Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10)





5.4
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=11)





3.9
Bronze_Age_Armenia_(n=6)





3.3
Yoruba





1.9
Anglo-Saxon_(n=3)





1.0
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





0.5
Ostrogoths_(n=3)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.5625% / 1.56254716 | R5P




30.7
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





28.4
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





23.8
Bronze_Age_Armenia_(n=6)





13.8
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





3.3
Yoruba








Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.9195% / 1.91952949 | R4P




68.4
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)





16.0
Bronze_Age_Armenia_(n=6)





12.5
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





3.1
Yoruba

Maciamo
20-03-21, 20:45
I have just added:

- Remedello culture (Chalcolithic North Italy) : no modern equivalent, but the closest are the Sardinians (distance 17.8)

- Afanasievo culture (Chalcolithic Altai) : no modern equivalent

- Andronovo culture (MBA Central Asia) : closest to the West Finns (12.5)

- Karasuk culture (LBA Central Asia) : most similar to the modern Udmurts (8.9) and Mari (10.4)

- LBA South Siberia : most similar to the modern Chuvash (9.6), Udmurts (9.7) and Mari (9.7) of the Volga-Ural region

- Iron Age Altai : most similar to the modern Bashkirs (9.0 for South Bashkirs)

Salento
20-03-21, 20:47
Latest 2 way:
(... new BA- Andronovo-Culture down below)

https://i.imgur.com/W7ecQH0.gif

Jovialis
20-03-21, 22:36
Here are my results after the latest update:

https://i.imgur.com/rxTnKPV.png

Stuvanè
20-03-21, 22:55
My updates



Distance to:
Dodecadk12bStuvanè


1.57977958
42.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 58.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.04448658
62.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 37.60% Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=4)


2.25836584
36.20% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 63.80% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


2.48339499
37.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 62.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


2.49467477
52.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 47.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


2.64089665
47.20% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 52.80% Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)


2.67878521
34.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 65.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


2.70067041
57.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 42.20% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17)


2.71328326
39.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 60.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


2.80965159
88.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 11.60% Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)


2.81132347
62.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 38.00% Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=4)


2.82077830
59.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 40.80% Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6)


2.88032270
57.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 42.60% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17)


2.89872925
53.00% MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6) + 47.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4)


2.93460119
38.20% Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9) + 61.80% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


2.96730400
40.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=24) + 59.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


3.02541846
45.60% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 54.40% Lombards_(n=28)


3.05643178
55.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 45.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18)


3.08801260
32.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 67.20% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


3.14607656
11.00% Chalcolithic_Israel + 89.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.14726940
11.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Jordan_(n=3) + 88.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.14967249
47.00% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 53.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)


3.16124406
61.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 38.20% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


3.22992764
43.40% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 56.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


3.27680024
29.80% Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=4) + 70.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)

Regio X
20-03-21, 23:06
Distances to some BCE samples...



Distance to:
RegioX_FTDNA


3.29529968
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


3.59256176
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


4.57476775
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.32477230
France_IA_ERS88


5.35665941
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


6.21441067
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


6.21540827
Bavaria_BB_II5524


6.93071425
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


7.27304613
France_IA_NOR3-15


7.68045572
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


8.01189116
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120


8.95785689
France_IA_NOR2B6


9.11860187
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72


9.55426083
RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro


10.02745232
I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge


10.63423246
MX299_Switzerland_LN


11.03402465
I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge


11.04201069
RISE374_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3402_years


11.33899466
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge


11.40857134
I1113_Malak_Preslavets


11.55813999
RISE480_Erd_4_Hungary


11.58977135
scy192_Scythian


11.85524357
scy300_Scythian


11.98723905
RISE559_Augsburg_Germany


12.07333839
CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3239






Distance to:
RegioX_23andMe


3.01592440
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


3.76607222
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


4.32038193
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


4.97765005
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


5.20655356
France_IA_ERS88


5.80977624
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


6.38359617
Bavaria_BB_II5524


6.49008475
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


7.67944008
France_IA_NOR3-15


8.11046238
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


8.26417570
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120


9.44167358
France_IA_NOR2B6


9.50348883
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72


9.74466521
RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro


10.10236606
I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge


10.74997209
MX299_Switzerland_LN


11.06360249
I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge


11.15216571
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge


11.17472147
scy192_Scythian


11.26278829
RISE374_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3402_years


11.48849860
scy300_Scythian


11.73459416
I1113_Malak_Preslavets


11.85444221
RISE480_Erd_4_Hungary


12.21400426
CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3239


12.23150032
R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia






Distance to:
Father_23andMe


4.29720840
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


5.09204281
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.98147139
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


6.12221365
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


6.48210614
France_IA_NOR3-15


7.12882178
France_IA_ERS88


7.59301653
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


7.61656747
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


7.93459514
Bavaria_BB_II5524


8.16007353
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.29639078
France_IA_NOR2B6


8.31873187
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120


9.49610973
I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge


9.91021695
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72


11.08674885
RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro


11.51869784
scy311_Scythian


11.89145492
scy192_Scythian


11.98768952
RISE374_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3402_years


12.08889987
scy300_Scythian


12.13653163
RISE559_Augsburg_Germany


12.46383569
MX299_Switzerland_LN


12.46632263
I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge


12.46651114
RISE480_Erd_4_Hungary


12.63528393
I1113_Malak_Preslavets


12.96028935
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge






Distance to:
Mother_23andMe


3.63206553
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


4.32753972
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


4.86893212
France_IA_ERS88


5.30494109
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


5.43430768
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


5.61098922
Bavaria_BB_II5524


6.23434840
France_IA_NOR3-15


6.57190231
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


7.29220131
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


7.56315410
France_IA_NOR2B6


7.86210532
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120


7.98862316
I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.03613091
RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro


8.50935955
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72


8.55503945
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


8.97731029
RISE374_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3402_years


9.52686202
RISE480_Erd_4_Hungary


10.68454023
RISE559_Augsburg_Germany


10.73825870
I1113_Malak_Preslavets


10.75190216
MX299_Switzerland_LN


10.77102131
France_IA_COL153i


10.82564086
RISE349_Battonya_Voros_Oktober_Hungary_3588_years


11.01769032
France_BA_RIX2


11.29445882
I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge


11.35099996
CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3239






Distance to:
Uncle_FTDNA


4.91388848
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.18083005
I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.20076917
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


5.25162832
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


6.06626739
France_IA_ERS88


7.91830159
Bavaria_BB_II5524


8.33507049
France_IA_NOR3-15


8.64750253
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.68884342
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


8.75098280
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


8.75857294
RISE374_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3402_years


9.03505949
RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro


9.41094044
France_IA_NOR2B6


9.63242441
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


9.69586510
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120


9.87088649
RISE480_Erd_4_Hungary


10.26575862
France_IA_COL153i


10.82348373
France_IA_COL153A


10.98540395
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72


11.47052309
RISE559_Augsburg_Germany


11.52911098
RISE349_Battonya_Voros_Oktober_Hungary_3588_years


12.28946703
France_BA_RIX2


12.58466527
scy197_Scythian


12.73532881
scy192_Scythian


12.91870350
CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3239






Distance to:
In-law_23andMe


4.73841746
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


5.34556826
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.58286665
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.88076526
I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge


6.95584646
France_IA_ERS88


8.68800322
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


9.03090804
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


9.19688534
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


9.56014644
France_IA_NOR3-15


9.69866486
Bavaria_BB_II5524


10.14607313
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


10.64508337
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120


10.81159563
France_IA_NOR2B6


10.94919175
RISE374_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3402_years


11.08989179
RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro


11.22621040
scy305_Scythian


11.22945235
France_IA_COL153A


11.61147708
scy192_Scythian


11.77374197
scy197_Scythian


11.94982845
scy300_Scythian


12.03261401
RISE480_Erd_4_Hungary


12.19006153
France_IA_COL153i


12.51895762
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72


12.87612131
RISE559_Augsburg_Germany


13.29108348
scy311_Scythian

torzio
20-03-21, 23:42
Target: TorzioK12b
Distance: 1.1048% / 1.10481413 | ADC: 0.25x RC




79.3
Bronze_Age_Illyrians






7.4
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)






5.1
Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)






4.6
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)






3.6
Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)






Must be the bolded one as the link




Distance to:
Torziok12b


1.32271482
38.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 61.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.42644518
64.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 35.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.43970424
47.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.00% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)


1.47469894
23.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 76.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.64679071
54.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.69887007
51.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 49.00% Sintashta_culture_(n=4)


1.73354583
39.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 60.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.73485819
63.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 37.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.77260423
47.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 52.40% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)


1.77723273
36.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 64.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.84345179
47.00% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 53.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.85816164
49.20% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 50.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.86386810
52.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 47.80% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17)


1.88567928
22.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 77.60% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.92274543
50.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28) + 50.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.94434013
23.60% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 76.40% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


1.98070746
23.40% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 76.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


2.03184545
22.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 77.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


2.04662315
13.00% Catacomb_culture_(n=4) + 87.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.04890312
88.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 11.60% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)



2.05869781
58.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 41.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.07154006
39.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 60.60% Lombards_(n=28)


2.08789717
50.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 49.80% Sintashta_culture_(n=4)


2.11079009
13.20% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 86.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.12848251
12.60% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3) + 87.40% Villanovans_(n=2)

Duarte
21-03-21, 00:19
My combo with Remedello culture

Distance to:
Duarte






5.83739655
6.20% Remedello_culture_(n=3) + 93.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)



Single not changed (top 25)



Distance to:
Duarte


6.17150711
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.71266713
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.86048341
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.27186764
Latins_(n=4)


12.12435978
Villanovans_(n=2)


14.03098001
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


14.05696980
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


14.52055095
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


14.84792915
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


15.13849068
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


15.21667178
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


15.30209790
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.31625933
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


16.25126149
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


16.49046998
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


17.46561765
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


18.93396947
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


20.69150309
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


21.80919989
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


22.92128923
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)


22.94319289
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


23.82327643
Megalithic_Europe_(n=24)


24.01004581
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


24.60763906
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


24.61869615
Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14)

dominique_nuit
21-03-21, 06:07
How are "Italian Greeks" defined on this calculator? Are they somehow eternal or do they belong to a particular place and time?

Maciamo
21-03-21, 11:12
How are "Italian Greeks" defined on this calculator? Are they somehow eternal or do they belong to a particular place and time?

The samples are listed here (https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/ancient_italy.shtml). From 800 to 200 BCE, which is the period of colonisation of Magna Graecia.

Salento
22-03-21, 23:59
Sample: VK398 - Sweden_Skara 231

65.80% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 34.20% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)

Location: Varnhem, Skara, Sweden
Age: Viking 10-12th centuries CE

Y-DNA: (T1a2...) T-BY215080
mtDNA: H1b1-T16362C

https://i.imgur.com/zIIQ0Ud.gif

VK398_Dod_K12b,8.51,1.82,0.00,0.00,35.33,41.96,0.0 0,0.00,0.68,0.00,10.07,1.61

Duarte
23-03-21, 01:51
Mine, with the latest update by Maciamo; 20-03-21 at 20:46, with a personal adjust: YRU

Distance to:
Duarte


4.66417136
47.60% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 52.40% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


4.68855812
3.60% Yoruba + 96.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


4.85328375
49.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 51.00% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.04636530
24.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7) + 76.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.18746490
22.80% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 77.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.19626512
42.80% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 57.20% Ostrogoths_(n=3)


5.42021978
20.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38) + 79.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.51279033
82.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9) + 17.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.55329431
48.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7) + 51.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.63868310
8.20% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.66006917
11.00% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 89.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.66539760
11.80% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=59) + 88.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.67109585
5.80% Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5) + 94.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.73086346
6.00% Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=10) + 94.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.73125619
6.40% Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10) + 93.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.77419747
6.80% Middle_Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12) + 93.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78241084
7.40% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=59) + 92.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78342255
6.60% Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13) + 93.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78479561
6.80% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 93.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.80845669
7.60% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58) + 92.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.81063741
32.40% MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6) + 67.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.81776672
7.20% Neolithic_Britain_(n=62) + 92.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.81831970
13.20% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6) + 86.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.82309411
8.20% Megalithic_Europe_(n=24) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.83295874
12.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7) + 87.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.83739655
6.20% Remedello_culture_(n=3) + 93.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.84198322
20.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 80.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.84359788
7.20% Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19) + 92.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.84938390
11.00% MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6) + 89.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.88209524
9.80% Remedello_culture_(n=3) + 90.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.91830982
10.60% Neolithic_Britain_(n=62) + 89.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.94453179
45.80% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38) + 54.20% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.98550837
11.60% Megalithic_Europe_(n=24) + 88.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.98917015
2.00% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 98.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.99564204
6.20% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6) + 93.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.99752196
9.20% Middle_Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12) + 90.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


6.01957293
8.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.02122193
4.60% Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10) + 95.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.02511030
4.20% Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10) + 95.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.02742278
31.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 69.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.03004199
5.20% Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14) + 94.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.03020133
8.60% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 91.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.03158672
3.80% Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4) + 96.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.04312081
4.40% EN_Alfold_Linear_Pottery_culture_(n=20) + 95.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.05156445
4.20% Middle_Chalcolithic_Hungary_(n=9) + 95.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.06984964
3.80% LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8) + 96.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.08064307
3.40% LN_Tisza-Sopot_culture_(n=11) + 96.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.08106939
3.20% EN_LBK_culture_(n=43) + 96.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.09685018
3.00% MN_Vinca_culture_(n=6) + 97.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.09725274
10.00% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58) + 90.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


6.12429462
2.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 97.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.12440232
3.40% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 96.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.12614396
3.00% Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8) + 97.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.12848746
5.00% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 95.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.13634635
2.40% Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9) + 97.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.14832428
1.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 98.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.14944569
2.40% Yoruba + 97.60% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


6.16736627
0.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 99.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.16925201
1.80% Latins_(n=4) + 98.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.17041602
1.20% Etruscans_(n=3) + 98.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)








6.17150711
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.71266713
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.86048341
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.27186764
Latins_(n=4)


12.12435978
Villanovans_(n=2)


14.03098001
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


14.05696980
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


14.52055095
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


14.84792915
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


15.13849068
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


15.21667178
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


15.30209790
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.31625933
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


16.25126149
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


16.49046998
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


17.46561765
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


18.93396947
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


20.69150309
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


21.80919989
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


22.92128923
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)


22.94319289
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


23.82327643
Megalithic_Europe_(n=24)


24.01004581
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


24.60763906
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


24.61869615
Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n





Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.5239% / 1.52389747 | R7P




45.0
Latins_(n=4)





20.0
Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)





14.3
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





8.6
Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10)





5.9
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





3.2
Yoruba





3.0
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.5316% / 1.53156934 | R6P




52.5
Latins_(n=4)





21.3
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





14.5
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





5.6
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





3.1
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)





3.0
Yoruba







Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.5560% / 1.55595352 | R5P




54.0
Latins_(n=4)





22.6
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





14.8
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





5.6
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





3.0
Yoruba







Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.9839% / 1.98387879 | R4P




73.8
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)





16.6
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





6.8
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)





2.8
Yoruba







Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.3264% / 3.32644365 | R3P




67.7
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)





28.8
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)





3.5
Yoruba







Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.6642% / 4.66417136 | R2P




52.4
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





47.6
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)

Maciamo
23-03-21, 14:50
I have just added:

- Middle Bronze Age North Italy (2 samples from Verona, Veneto) : very similar to modern Sardinians (distance 5.4), but no other modern population.

- Roman-age Britain (2 samples from Canterbury, Kent) : most similar to modern North French and British, but especially Northwest French (Brittany) at 5.2.

Maciamo
23-03-21, 18:33
I have just added the samples from Saag 2021, mostly from the Fatyanovo culture, but also a few Mesolithic Russians and one Corded Ware.

The Fatyanovo culture has no modern equivalent, but is closest to Northeast Poles (11.8) then Swedes (12.9).

Pax Augusta
23-03-21, 20:38
I have just added:

- Middle Bronze Age North Italy (2 samples from Verona, Veneto) : very similar to modern Sardinians (distance 5.4), but no other modern population.

The two individuals come from the necropolis of Olmo di Nogara (Verona) and archaeologically the necropolis is considered part of the Terramare culture, in their case of the branches of the Terramare north of the Po river. They have a low percentage of Steppe, and their results seem to suggest that the Indo-Europeanisation of Italy only ended in the last quarter of the 2nd millennium BC, during the Proto-Villanovan culture, which is a supranational Bronze Age facies, not to be confused with the later Villanovan culture which is from the Iron Age and is considered exclusively Etruscan.

torzio
23-03-21, 21:07
my results after posts 136,137




Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 1.1174% / 1.11740377 | ADC: 0.25x RC





58.8
Bronze_Age_Illyrians






29.8
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)






4.9
Chalcolithic_Israel






3.3
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)






3.2
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=11)








Distance to:
Torziok12b


1.32271482
38.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 61.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.42644518
64.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 35.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.43970424
47.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.00% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)


1.47469894
23.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 76.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.64679071
54.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.69887007
51.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 49.00% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)


1.73354583
39.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 60.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.73485819
63.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 37.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.77260423
47.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 52.40% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)


1.77723273
36.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 64.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.84345179
47.00% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 53.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.85816164
49.20% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 50.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.86386810
52.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 47.80% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17)


1.88567928
22.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 77.60% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.92274543
50.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28) + 50.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.94434013
23.60% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 76.40% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


1.98070746
23.40% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 76.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


2.03184545
22.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 77.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


2.04662315
13.00% EMBA_Catacomb_culture_(n=4) + 87.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.04890312
88.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 11.60% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)


2.05869781
58.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 41.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.07154006
39.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 60.60% Lombards_(n=28)


2.08789717
50.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 49.80% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)


2.11079009
13.20% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 86.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.12848251
12.60% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3) + 87.40% Villanovans_(n=2)










Distance to:
TorzioK12b



3.84695984
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


6.60722332
Villanovans_(n=2)


10.01532825
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


10.09930691
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.59642393
Etruscans_(n=3)


13.13600776
Latins_(n=4)


14.94662838
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


15.40992213
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.55084564
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


17.07502855
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


17.55117945
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


17.85517012
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


18.58959117
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


18.62277101
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


19.31956780
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


19.66164540
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


20.52104773
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


22.37615695
Roman-age_Britain_(n=2)


22.48866826
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


23.05887248
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


23.65544969
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


24.21328561
Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


24.30430209
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


24.44917995
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


24.78461821
Lombards_(n=28)

torzio
23-03-21, 21:09
Distance to:
Torziok12b


1.32271482
38.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 61.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.42644518
64.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 35.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.43970424
47.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.00% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)


1.47469894
23.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 76.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.64679071
54.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.69887007
51.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 49.00% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)


1.73354583
39.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 60.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.73485819
63.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 37.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.77260423
47.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 52.40% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)


1.77723273
36.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 64.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.84345179
47.00% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 53.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.85816164
49.20% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 50.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.86386810
52.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 47.80% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17)


1.88567928
22.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 77.60% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.92274543
50.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28) + 50.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.94434013
23.60% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 76.40% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


1.98070746
23.40% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 76.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


2.03184545
22.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 77.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


2.04662315
13.00% EMBA_Catacomb_culture_(n=4) + 87.00% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.04890312
88.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 11.60% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)


2.05869781
58.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 41.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.07154006
39.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 60.60% Lombards_(n=28)


2.08789717
50.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 49.80% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)


2.11079009
13.20% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 86.80% Villanovans_(n=2)


2.12848251
12.60% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3) + 87.40% Villanovans_(n=2)

Maciamo
23-03-21, 22:13
The two individuals come from the necropolis of Olmo di Nogara (Verona) and archaeologically the necropolis is considered part of the Terramare culture, in their case of the branches of the Terramare north of the Po river. They have a low percentage of Steppe, and their results seem to suggest that the Indo-Europeanisation of Italy only ended in the last quarter of the 2nd millennium BC, during the Proto-Villanovan culture, which is a supranational Bronze Age facies, not to be confused with the later Villanovan culture which is from the Iron Age and is considered exclusively Etruscan.

I thought that the Terramare culture was the first Indo-European advance into Italy? If that is the case, it doesn't show at all in these samples from Olmo di Nogara, who have 0% of Gedrosia and only 11% of North European, just like the people from the Chalcolithic Remedello culture in the same region. In fact, what we see is in increase in Caucasus, SW Asian and NW African admixture (+14% in total) in the Middle Bronze Age and a decrease in Atlantic Med. So it looks like the Early/Middle Bronze Age immigrants to North Italy came from Greece, maybe via South Italy, but definitely not from Central Europe. I suppose that the Proto-Italics only started crossing the Alps from the Late Bronze Age onwards.




Ethnicity
Gedrosia
Siberia
NW Africa
SE Asia
Atlantic Med
North Europe
South Asia
East Africa
SW Asia
East Asia
Caucasus
SSA


Remedello culture (n=3)
0.00
0.00
0.78
0.71
69.04
11.78
0.00
0.00
5.18
0.00
11.80
0.72


Middle Bronze Age North Italy (n=4)
0.00
0.21
1.88
0.00
56.32
11.55
0.06
0.04
9.77
0.16
19.64
0.37

Duarte
23-03-21, 23:09
After lasted update (posts #s 136 and 137). With YRI pop, I post single and combos where new populations are displayed (Roman Age Britain and/or Middle Bronze Age North Italy - bold)

2way


Distance to:
Duarte





6.02511030
4.20% Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10) + 95.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.02716276
5.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Italy_(n=4) + 94.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)



Single


Distance to:
Duarte


6.17150711
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.71266713
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.86048341
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.27186764
Latins_(n=4)


12.12435978
Villanovans_(n=2)


14.03098001
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


14.05696980
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


14.52055095
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


14.84792915
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


15.13849068
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


15.21667178
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


15.30209790
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.31625933
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


16.25126149
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


16.49046998
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


17.46561765
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


18.93396947
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


19.64891091
Roman-age_Britain_(n=2)


20.69150309
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


21.80919989
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


22.12759137
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Italy_(n=4)


22.92128923
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)


22.94319289
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


23.82327643
Megalithic_Europe_(n=24)


24.01004581
Western_Scythians_(n=28)



Combo


Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.5266% / 1.52662893


29.0
Latins_(n=4)





13.7
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





10.7
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





9.1
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





8.3
Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10)





8.0
Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)





5.3
Roman-age_Britain_(n=2)





5.1
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=11)





4.6
Bronze_Age_Armenia_(n=6)





3.4
Yoruba





2.4
Anglo-Saxon_(n=3)





0.4
Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.4711% / 2.47112251 | R4P


56.6
Latins_(n=4)





25.0
Roman-age_Britain_(n=2)





15.1
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)





3.3
Yoruba

Salento
24-03-21, 04:08
.... latest:

https://i.imgur.com/MCl477e.gif

matty74
24-03-21, 07:33
Using the original cut/paste from the first post



Distance to:
Matt


2.67846971
Lombards_(n=28)


4.18555851
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


6.07432301
Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)


6.31479216
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


6.57143820
Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)


6.66340003
Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


7.68788658
Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28)


8.28651917
Anglo-Saxon_(n=3)


8.40876923
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


8.41483809
Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)


8.45395174
Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


9.69842255
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


9.81422947
EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)


9.89888378
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)


10.34043036
Roman-age_Britain_(n=2)


11.07981949
Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)


11.26515868
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


11.31534798
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


11.53805876
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


12.02531912
Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)


12.11454085
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


12.51377641
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


16.70894072
MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)


17.16688964
EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18)


18.79464019
Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17)







Distance to:
Matt


2.67846971
Lombards_(n=28)


4.18555851
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


6.07432301
Middle_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=22)


6.31479216
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)


6.57143820
Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)


6.66340003
Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


7.68788658
Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28)


8.28651917
Anglo-Saxon_(n=3)


8.40876923
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


8.41483809
Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)


8.45395174
Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


9.69842255
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


9.81422947
EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)


9.89888378
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)


10.34043036
Roman-age_Britain_(n=2)


11.07981949
Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)


11.26515868
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


11.31534798
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


11.53805876
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


12.02531912
Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)


12.11454085
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


12.51377641
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


16.70894072
MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)


17.16688964
EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18)


18.79464019
Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17)

matty74
24-03-21, 07:36
Target: Matt
Distance: 0.4888% / 0.48884174




28.3
MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)


21.4
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


18.0
Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)


12.0
Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)


11.9
Latins_(n=4)


4.5
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)


2.5
Bronze_Age_Armenia_(n=6)


1.3
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)


0.1
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)





Target: Matt
Distance: 0.4894% / 0.48942144




27.7
MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)


18.7
Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)


18.6
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


13.2
Latins_(n=4)


12.2
Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)


4.1
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)


2.6
Bronze_Age_Armenia_(n=6)


2.6
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)


0.3
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)

matty74
24-03-21, 07:41
Distance to:
Matt


1.29674423
69.80% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 30.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


1.38735400
17.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 83.00% Lombards_(n=28)


1.42337620
48.40% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3) + 51.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


1.48739772
23.40% CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5) + 76.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


1.57403137
69.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 30.60% Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)


1.60477742
40.20% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4) + 59.80% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


1.66411267
39.60% EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18) + 60.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


1.75029871
37.40% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17) + 62.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


1.76346811
67.80% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 32.20% MBA_Andronovo_culture_(n=3)


1.79887100
66.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 33.40% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)


1.85958421
8.60% MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6) + 91.40% Lombards_(n=28)


1.93283843
14.80% Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10) + 85.20% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)


1.94502819
73.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 26.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.94990636
50.60% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 49.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


1.96604247
74.00% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 26.00% Latins_(n=4)


1.98094446
17.00% Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19) + 83.00% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)


1.99037577
84.40% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 15.60% Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13)


2.02143193
28.00% Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 72.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


2.06752271
17.40% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58) + 82.60% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)


2.08059591
7.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 93.00% Lombards_(n=28)


2.10266110
81.80% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 18.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Italy_(n=4)


2.11443816
16.60% CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3) + 83.40% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)


2.14180356
29.40% Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=5) + 70.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


2.17375835
54.20% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 45.80% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


2.19936383
5.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38) + 95.00% Lombards_(n=28)

Maciamo
24-03-21, 20:26
Lots of new samples:

- Epipaleolithic Magreb (Iberomaurusian) : 65.5% NW Africa, 19% East Africa and 5.5% SW Asia. Interestingly no Atlantic Med (unlike Mesolithic Europeans and Anatolians).

- Epipaleolithic/Mesolithic Caucasus (CHG) : 47.5% Caucasus, 37% Gedrosia and 10% North European. No Atlantic Med.

- Mesolithic Anatolia (AHG) : 57.5% Atlantic Med, 26.5% Caucasus, 12% SW Asia, 4.5% NW Africa. Interestingly AHG is a relatively close match to modern Sardinians (9.1), but to nobody else.

- Early Neolithic Maghreb : Big change from Epipaleolithic. From 0% to 48% Atlantic Med, from 5.5% to 21% SW Asia, from 65.5% to 19% NW Africa, from 0% to 10% Caucasus and from 19% to 1.7% East African. It looks like only 10% of the genes of Neolithic Maghrebi were indigenous, and 90% from Near Eastern immigrants.

- Middle Bronze Age Anatolia (Assyrian period) : big increase in Atlantic Med from the EBA (from 14% to 29%) and slight decrease in Gedrosia, Caucasus and SW Asia.

- Middle-Late Bronze Age Anatolia (Hittites period) : big increase of North European (0% on CA and EBA, 3% in MBA and 8.5% in Hittite period) but also in Siberian (0.2% to 3.2%) and East Asian (0.2% to 3.3%) and Gedrosia (5% to 9.5%). There are only 2 samples, but it would appear that the Hittite invaders really did come from the Steppe and with substantial a Siberian blend.

- Roman Britain : added 6 York gladiators and the average is now closer to Iron Age Britain and modern Britain.

- Avars : very similar to modern Poles (2.2), Ukrainians (2.9) and Belorusians (4.4). One wonders if these samples were not in fact Early Slavs.

torzio
24-03-21, 20:54
With the addition of Avars .....I have some Avars .................I have never had any slav in my admixture regardless of test




Distance to:



3.84695984
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


6.60722332
Villanovans_(n=2)


10.01532825
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


10.09930691
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.59642393
Etruscans_(n=3)


13.13600776
Latins_(n=4)


14.94662838
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


15.40992213
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.55084564
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


17.07502855
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


17.55117945
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


17.85517012
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


18.58959117
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


18.62277101
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


19.31956780
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


19.66164540
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


20.52104773
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


22.48866826
Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)


23.05887248
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


23.65544969
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


24.21328561
Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


24.30430209
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


24.44917995
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


24.65410108
Roman_Britain_(n=8)


24.78461821
Lombards_(n=28)







Target: TorzioK12b
Distance: 1.1351% / 1.13514116 | ADC: 0.25x RC





75.9
Bronze_Age_Illyrians







7.7
Avars_(n=2)






7.0
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)






5.8
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)






3.6
Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)

torzio
24-03-21, 20:57
goths removed from line one and see new bolded




Distance to:



1.09120220
48.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 52.00% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)


1.39874608
60.80% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 39.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.57641508
49.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 50.80% Lombards_(n=28)


1.59465844
41.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 58.40% Lombards_(n=28)


1.63813115
46.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.40% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


1.70804040
55.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 45.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.81083934
93.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 6.40% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


1.81301319
93.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 7.00% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


1.81562522
53.20% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 46.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.82916239
4.80% Mesolithic_East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=12) + 95.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians



1.84104359
5.00% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 95.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians



1.84994977
94.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 5.80% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)


1.85902430
6.80% Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=5) + 93.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians



1.86022241
29.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 71.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.86509818

5.20% Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 94.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians



1.88822152
90.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 9.40% Avars_(n=2)


1.93217773
48.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 51.20% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)


1.96139894
6.00% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 94.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians



1.96802339
92.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 7.20% MBA_Andronovo_culture_(n=3)


1.96816792
8.20% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17) + 91.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians



1.98510523
44.20% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 55.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


2.01011704

8.60% EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18) + 91.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians



2.01556759
92.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 7.20% Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)


2.01625660

9.20% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 90.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians



2.03847629
88.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 12.00% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)




88% and over ...what does that mean for the lower number of that line?

Duarte
24-03-21, 21:20
Update post #146

Distance to:
Duarte


6.17150711
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.71266713
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.86048341
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.27186764
Latins_(n=4)


12.12435978
Villanovans_(n=2)


14.03098001
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


14.05696980
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


14.52055095
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


14.84792915
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


15.13849068
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


15.21667178
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


15.30209790
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.31625933
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


16.25126149
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


16.49046998
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


17.46561765
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


18.93396947
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


20.69150309
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


21.80919989
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


22.12759137
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Italy_(n=4)


22.92128923
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)


22.94319289
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


23.82327643
Megalithic_Europe_(n=24)


24.01004581
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


24.16479257
Roman_Britain_(n=8)









Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.9310% / 1.93098336




35.6
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





29.0
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





18.9
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





12.4
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





4.1
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusian)_(n=5)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.6642% / 4.66417136 | R2P




52.4
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





47.6
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)

Maciamo
25-03-21, 00:11
Even more samples.

- Hallstatt Celts (2 samples from Czechia) : most similar to NW French/Brittany (7.7) then South England (7.8)

- Tian Shan Saka : no modern equivalent (closest are Central Bashkirs at 18.1)

- Tian Shan Huns : the closest modern population are South Bashkirs at 13.5

- Xiongnu (from Mongolia) : no modern equivalent (closest are Kyrgyz at 19.3)

- North Caucasian Alans : most similar to the Kumyks (7.1) of the NE Caucasus, the Kaitag Dargins of Dagestan (8.0), the Chechens (8.1) and other modern North Caucasians.

torzio
25-03-21, 00:19
goths removed from line one and see new bolded




Distance to:



1.09120220
48.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 52.00% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)


1.39874608
60.80% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 39.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.57641508
49.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 50.80% Lombards_(n=28)


1.59465844
41.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 58.40% Lombards_(n=28)


1.63813115
46.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.40% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


1.70804040
55.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 45.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.81083934
93.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 6.40% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


1.81301319
93.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 7.00% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


1.81562522
53.20% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 46.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.82916239
4.80% Mesolithic_East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=12) + 95.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.84104359
5.00% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 95.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.84994977
94.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 5.80% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)


1.85902430
6.80% Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=5) + 93.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.86022241
29.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 71.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.86509818
5.20% Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 94.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.88822152
90.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 9.40% Avars_(n=2)


1.93217773
48.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 51.20% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)


1.96139894
6.00% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 94.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.96802339
92.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 7.20% MBA_Andronovo_culture_(n=3)


1.96816792
8.20% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17) + 91.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.98510523
44.20% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 55.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


2.01011704
8.60% EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18) + 91.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.01556759
92.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 7.20% Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)


2.01625660
9.20% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 90.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.03847629
88.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 12.00% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)




88% and over ...what does that mean for the lower number of that line?

with the addition of Halstatt celts...



Distance to:



1.09120220
48.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 52.00% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)


1.38733157
45.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 54.60% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)



1.39874608
60.80% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 39.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.57641508
49.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 50.80% Lombards_(n=28)


1.59465844
41.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 58.40% Lombards_(n=28)


1.63813115
46.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.40% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


1.70804040
55.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 45.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.81083934
93.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 6.40% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


1.81301319
93.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 7.00% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


1.81562522
53.20% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 46.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.82916239
4.80% Mesolithic_East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=12) + 95.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.84098870
6.80% Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=8) + 93.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.84104359
5.00% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 95.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.84886826
94.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 5.80% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12)


1.84994977
94.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 5.80% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)


1.86022241
29.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 71.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.86509818
5.20% Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 94.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.88822152
90.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 9.40% Avars_(n=2)


1.93217773
48.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 51.20% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)


1.96139894
6.00% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 94.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.96802339
92.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 7.20% MBA_Andronovo_culture_(n=3)


1.96816792
8.20% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17) + 91.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.98510523
44.20% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 55.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


2.01011704
8.60% EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18) + 91.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


2.01556759
92.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 7.20% Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)

Duarte
25-03-21, 00:31
#150



Distance to:
Duarte


4.66417136
47.60% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 52.40% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


4.85328375
49.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 51.00% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.04636530
24.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7) + 76.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.18746490
22.80% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 77.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.19626512
42.80% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 57.20% Ostrogoths_(n=3)


5.42021978
20.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38) + 79.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.51279033
82.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9) + 17.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.55329431
48.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7) + 51.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.63868310
8.20% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.66006917
11.00% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 89.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.66539760
11.80% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=59) + 88.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.67109585
5.80% Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5) + 94.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.73086346
6.00% Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=10) + 94.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.73125619
6.40% Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10) + 93.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.75815472
2.80% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusian)_(n=5) + 97.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.77419747
6.80% Middle_Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12) + 93.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78241084
7.40% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=59) + 92.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78342255
6.60% Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13) + 93.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78479561
6.80% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 93.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.80845669
7.60% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58) + 92.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.81063741
32.40% MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6) + 67.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.81619145
6.00% Early_Neolithic_Maghreb_(n=1) + 94.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.81776672
7.20% Neolithic_Britain_(n=62) + 92.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.81831970
13.20% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6) + 86.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.82309411
8.20% Megalithic_Europe_(n=24) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)








Distance to:
Duarte


6.17150711
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.71266713
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.86048341
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.27186764
Latins_(n=4)


12.12435978
Villanovans_(n=2)


14.03098001
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


14.05696980
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


14.52055095
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


14.84792915
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


15.13849068
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


15.21667178
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


15.30209790
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.31625933
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


16.25126149
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


16.49046998
BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)


17.46561765
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


18.93396947
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


20.69150309
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


20.81037962
Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


21.80919989
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


22.12759137
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Italy_(n=4)


22.92128923
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)


22.94319289
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


23.82327643
Megalithic_Europe_(n=24)


24.01004581
Western_Scythians_(n=28)




Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.6642% / 4.66417136 | R2P



52.4
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





47.6
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.2378% / 3.23778073 | R3P



55.4
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)





37.8
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





6.8
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.5300% / 2.52998438 | R4P



43.0
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





31.2
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





15.6
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





10.2
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.9308% / 1.93082214 | R5P



35.6
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





28.8
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





19.0
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





12.5
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





4.1
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusian)_(n=5)

Salento
25-03-21, 04:36
new: “Mesolithic” Baltic Scandinavia - Italian Greeks
and down below Avars and Hallstatt Celts.

https://i.imgur.com/mDJd4Xa.jpg

Duarte
25-03-21, 04:47
-Epipaleolithic Magreb (Iberomaurusian) : 65.5% NW Africa, 19% East Africa and 5.5% SW Asia. Interestingly no Atlantic Med (unlike Mesolithic Europeans and Anatolians).


- Early Neolithic Maghreb : Big change from Epipaleolithic. From 0% to 48% Atlantic Med, from 5.5% to 21% SW Asia, from 65.5% to 19% NW Africa, from 0% to 10% Caucasus and from 19% to 1.7% East African. It looks like only 10% of the genes of Neolithic Maghrebi were indigenous, and 90% from Near Eastern immigrants.


This is an interesting paper talking about this big change:

Ancient genomes from North Africa evidence prehistoric migrations to the Maghreb from both the Levant and Europe

https://www.pnas.org/content/115/26/6774

matty74
25-03-21, 07:55
It blows my mind that Europe is only separated by 8 miles of water from the coast of Northern Africa (Strait of Gibraltar)

Maciamo
25-03-21, 10:26
I have added:

- Narva culture (Neolithic Lithuania) : almost pure North European (78%) and Atlantic Med (21%). Closest to modern Latvians (12.6).

- Kangju (Iranian Sogdians) : no close modern match. The closest are the Pamiri from Tajikistan/Afghanistan (15.9).*

- Medieval Steppe Turks : most similar to modern South Bashkirs (13.9) and Tatars (15.6).

Maciamo
25-03-21, 21:04
I started making maps to visualise the admixtures by period.

https://www.eupedia.com/images/maps/Mesolithic_K12b.jpg


https://www.eupedia.com/images/maps/Early_Neolithic_K12b.jpg


I did not include the Pre-Pottery Neolithic Levant, Iran and Anatolia as it would require a separate map for this period only (9000-6500 BCE).

I also split the data for Pre-Pottery Neolithic Anatolia (samples from 8300-7800 BCE) and Early Neolithic Anatolia (samples from 6800-6200 BCE). There is actually a big difference between the two periods. We can see that there was a large migration from the Fertile Crescent to western Anatolia once pottery started spreading. Atlantic Med fell from 50% to 40%, North European fell from 3.7% to 0%, whereas the Caucasus, SW Asia and NW Africa increased in total by 14%. Pre-Pottery Neolithic Anatolia was in fact closer to Mesolithic Anatolia.

Jovialis
26-03-21, 00:58
Here is a 3D PCA for demonstrating the position of the Iberomaurusians:

https://i.imgur.com/x7AbsB8.png

Salento
26-03-21, 02:30
new top duo:

Neol. Lithuania Narva Culture - Italian Greeks

I'm glad the 2way works for many of you, ... maybe too Northern in my case, I'm not sure it represents my niche, though I could be wrong.

We shouldn’t use Haplogroups to make sense of Autosomal results, ... but my y is rare and who knows where it’s been :)

https://i.imgur.com/jkgsYxI.gif

Salento
26-03-21, 04:32
Illyrian I4332 gets my top northern populations too, ... what if the Illyrians like I4332 were the ones that contributed to the Messapi Ancestry mix ???

maybe that's what my results (above) are reflecting :)



Distance to:
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


1.51419541
3.00% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 97.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.52129364
3.40% Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4) + 96.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.52695334
3.20% Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 96.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.53373135
3.60% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 96.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.53760795
95.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 4.40% Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)


1.55579035
96.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 3.40% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12)


1.55783178
96.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 3.40% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)


1.56970512
96.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 3.80% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


1.59146553
95.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 4.20% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


1.60048039
4.20% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 95.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians



I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge,3.68,0.00,0.54,1.35,37.10, 27.03,0.00,0.00,5.65,0.00,23.65,0.99

torzio
26-03-21, 05:59
Illyrian I4332 gets my top northern populations too, ... what if the Illyrians like I4332 were the ones that contributed to the Messapi Ancestry mix ???

maybe that's what my results (above) are reflecting :)



Distance to:
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


1.51419541
3.00% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 97.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.52129364
3.40% Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4) + 96.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.52695334
3.20% Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 96.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.53373135
3.60% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 96.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.53760795
95.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 4.40% Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)


1.55579035
96.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 3.40% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12)


1.55783178
96.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 3.40% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)


1.56970512
96.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 3.80% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


1.59146553
95.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 4.20% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


1.60048039
4.20% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 95.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians



I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge,3.68,0.00,0.54,1.35,37.10, 27.03,0.00,0.00,5.65,0.00,23.65,0.99


me and Kit TX8387837 (I4332 Ancient Dalmatia) [-]



Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 205.1cM (5.726 Pct)

53 shared segments found for this comparison.

265764 SNPs used for this comparison.

53.982 Pct SNPs are full identical



Comparing Kit TX8387837 (I4332 Ancient Dalmatia) [-] and Kit SZ6386770 (I3313 Dalmatia Bronze Age) [-]

Largest segment = 6.6 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 63.6cM (1.776 Pct)

17 shared segments found for this comparison.

313574 SNPs used for this comparison.

60.027 Pct SNPs are full identical

Salento
26-03-21, 06:35
me and Kit TX8387837 (I4332 Ancient Dalmatia) [-]



Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 205.1cM (5.726 Pct)

53 shared segments found for this comparison.

265764 SNPs used for this comparison.

53.982 Pct SNPs are full identical

Comparing Kit TX8387837 (I4332 Ancient Dalmatia) [-] and Kit SZ6386770 (I3313 Dalmatia Bronze Age) [-]

Largest segment = 6.6 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 63.6cM (1.776 Pct)

17 shared segments found for this comparison.

313574 SNPs used for this comparison.

60.027 Pct SNPs are full identical

one to one: me vs I4332:
(... I also have “deep dive” results with it.)

https://i.imgur.com/K1k36zj.jpg

etrusco
26-03-21, 10:22
I started making maps to visualise the admixtures by period.

https://www.eupedia.com/images/maps/Mesolithic_K12b.jpg


https://www.eupedia.com/images/maps/Early_Neolithic_K12b.jpg


I did not include the Pre-Pottery Neolithic Levant, Iran and Anatolia as it would require a separate map for this period only (9000-6500 BCE).

I also split the data for Pre-Pottery Neolithic Anatolia (samples from 8300-7800 BCE) and Early Neolithic Anatolia (samples from 6800-6200 BCE). There is actually a big difference between the two periods. We can see that there was a large migration from the Fertile Crescent to western Anatolia once pottery started spreading. Atlantic Med fell from 50% to 40%, North European fell from 3.7% to 0%, whereas the Caucasus, SW Asia and NW Africa increased in total by 14%. Pre-Pottery Neolithic Anatolia was in fact closer to Mesolithic Anatolia.



Thank you. Very interesting map. just a question: what the red color in the european clusters stand for exactly? Only WHG or WHG+EHG or maybe Common West Eurasian?

Maciamo
26-03-21, 17:00
Three new maps.

https://www.eupedia.com/images/maps/Middle_Neolithic_K12b.jpg

https://www.eupedia.com/images/maps/Late_Neolithic_K12b.jpg

https://www.eupedia.com/images/maps/Bell_Beaker_K12b.jpg

torzio
26-03-21, 17:44
one to one: me vs I4332:
(... I also have “deep dive” results with it.)

https://i.imgur.com/K1k36zj.jpg


Interesting is that you have only 3 shared segments with Dalmatian I4332 , while I have 53 shared segments .............................maybe your line was further north or already in italy

Salento
26-03-21, 18:09
Interesting is that you have only 3 shared segments with Dalmatian I4332 , while I have 53 shared segments .............................maybe your line was further north or already in italy

... a bit off topic: I posted more conservative results.
I get 53+ shared segments too if I change the settings from 25 3 to 25 3 3 :

https://i.imgur.com/824Mtem.jpg

Duarte
26-03-21, 19:34
In my case, it seems that the delivery man leave dropped on the floor all the pizzas made by maciamo and, desperately, mixed all the pieces of all the pizzas in the pizza that was delivered to me.

https://i.imgur.com/WsjmbUP.png

torzio
26-03-21, 19:50
... a bit off topic: I posted more conservative results.
I get 53+ shared segments too if I change the settings from 25 3 to 25 3 3 :

https://i.imgur.com/824Mtem.jpg


ok

with 25 and 3 only ...1 get


Largest segment = 4.4 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 43.8cM (1.222 Pct)

12 shared segments found for this comparison.

265764 SNPs used for this comparison.

53.982 Pct SNPs are full identical

Duarte
27-03-21, 05:21
My data plotted on a pie chart using the same layout as Maciamo.

https://i.imgur.com/VQKiVn1.png

Salento
27-03-21, 07:14
My data plotted on a pie chart using the same layout as Maciamo.

https://i.imgur.com/VQKiVn1.png

Duarte's Pizza :) ... well done :good_job:

Duarte
27-03-21, 07:27
Duarte's Pizza :) ... well done :good_job:

:good_job:
My personalized pizza. A pizza with several flavors. This is the style of the house. Only at Pizzeria Duarte. It is a gourmet dish. ‘MasterChef’ winner, lol :laughing:

Maciamo
27-03-21, 11:15
Here is the map of the Bronze Age period.

https://www.eupedia.com/images/maps/Bronze_Age_K12b.jpg

Jovialis
27-03-21, 14:15
Excellent maps, it is easy to see why modern Southern Europeans have admixture components from the Caucasus in Dodecad K12b modeling. Since it was already present in Minoans at 41.3% and Mycenaean at 37.1%. Also in Bronze Age Sicily at 27.5%, and respectable amounts in MBA Croatia, MBA North Italy, into the surrounding areas.

Jovialis
27-03-21, 16:26
Excellent maps, it is easy to see why modern Southern Europeans have admixture components from the Caucasus in Dodecad K12b modeling. Since it was already present in Minoans at 41.3% and Mycenaean at 37.1%. Also in Bronze Age Sicily at 27.5%, and respectable amounts in MBA Croatia, MBA North Italy, into the surrounding areas.

Including relatively high amounts in the Neolithic era.

Angela
27-03-21, 17:02
Excellent maps, it is easy to see why modern Southern Europeans have admixture components from the Caucasus in Dodecad K12b modeling. Since it was already present in Minoans at 41.3% and Mycenaean at 37.1%. Also in Bronze Age Sicily at 27.5%, and respectable amounts in MBA Croatia, MBA North Italy, into the surrounding areas.

I remember pointing out long ago how Otzi, a Copper Age Italian, already had SW Asian and Caucasus. Now, looking at Maciamo's graph you can see they're at substantial percentages not only in Mycenaean Greece, but at lower levels in Italy, Sardinia, the Balkans, Iberia, and lower but still significant percentages across the Alps in the North Alpine Bronze Age and Unetice.

If the Bronze Age Indo-European speaking people came by way of those two areas and then intermingled with Neolithic and Chalcolithic Italians, no wonder the percentages didn't go down very much.

I'm reminded of the conversation you had the other day on another thread and the insistence all this ancestry arrived in the Iron Age and especially the Empire; not going by this they didn't.

Even some of the academics and Khan ought to look more closely at the Bronze Age samples. Let's hope there are a lot more soon.

As for my own results they're always the same, either 65% Latin and the rest Italian-Greek in Iron Age terms, or 75% Villanovan and 25% Mycenaean in Bronze Age terms. It all makes perfect sense.

I

Duarte
27-03-21, 17:43
After the end of Chalcolithic, in Central and Northern Europe, in the Bell Beaker and Corded Ware cultures it seems that there is a significant increase in the Gedrosia component. Posteriorly in the Bronze Age this component is reduced a little in these areas, but it still remains significant and, in the Bronze Age Iberia and Mycenaean civilization there is already a small emergence of Gedrosia.

Jovialis
27-03-21, 19:26
I remember pointing out long ago how Otzi, a Copper Age Italian, already had SW Asian and Caucasus. Now, looking at Maciamo's graph you can see they're at substantial percentages not only in Mycenaean Greece, but at lower levels in Italy, Sardinia, the Balkans, Iberia, and lower but still significant percentages across the Alps in the North Alpine Bronze Age and Unetice.

If the Bronze Age Indo-European speaking people came by way of those two areas and then intermingled with Neolithic and Chalcolithic Italians, no wonder the percentages didn't go down very much.

I'm reminded of the conversation you had the other day on another thread and the insistence all this ancestry arrived in the Iron Age and especially the Empire; not going by this they didn't.

Even some of the academics and Khan ought to look more closely at the Bronze Age samples. Let's hope there are a lot more soon.

As for my own results they're always the same, either 65% Latin and the rest Italian-Greek in Iron Age terms, or 75% Villanovan and 25% Mycenaean in Bronze Age terms. It all makes perfect sense.

I

Looking at the maps, I can easily see how I can be modeled as Minoan 70.60% + Yamna 29.40%, compared to my own pie chart:

https://i.imgur.com/rxTnKPV.png

Jovialis
28-03-21, 04:51
I remember pointing out long ago how Otzi, a Copper Age Italian, already had SW Asian and Caucasus. Now, looking at Maciamo's graph you can see they're at substantial percentages not only in Mycenaean Greece, but at lower levels in Italy, Sardinia, the Balkans, Iberia, and lower but still significant percentages across the Alps in the North Alpine Bronze Age and Unetice.

If the Bronze Age Indo-European speaking people came by way of those two areas and then intermingled with Neolithic and Chalcolithic Italians, no wonder the percentages didn't go down very much.

I'm reminded of the conversation you had the other day on another thread and the insistence all this ancestry arrived in the Iron Age and especially the Empire; not going by this they didn't.

Even some of the academics and Khan ought to look more closely at the Bronze Age samples. Let's hope there are a lot more soon.

As for my own results they're always the same, either 65% Latin and the rest Italian-Greek in Iron Age terms, or 75% Villanovan and 25% Mycenaean in Bronze Age terms. It all makes perfect sense.

I

https://i.imgur.com/naLPcPt.jpg

Also looking at these Neolithic populations, I see they also have a "southwest Asian" component in all of the populations. So I don't think it is indicative of recent populations, but simply how Dodecad is interpreting some part of Anatolian_N ancestry.

Jovialis
28-03-21, 05:01
https://i.imgur.com/naLPcPt.jpg

Also looking at these Neolithic populations, I see they also have a "southwest Asian" component in all of the populations. So I don't think it is indicative of recent populations, but simply how Dodecad is interpreting some part of Anatolian_N ancestry.

Also, we know that Minoan, and Anatolian_ChL can be modeled with just CHG/IN and Anatolian_N. So we can assume that "southwest Asian" in Dodecad is actually not indicative of Levantine ancestry. Rather, it may just be picking up a common ancestry that is prevalent in that area, that came from the north, rather than a native component.

https://i.imgur.com/PDgWcUS.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Qc4CjnW.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZURyWYB.png

Jovialis
28-03-21, 14:08
I would say, Anatolian_N is subsumed into various components. Which is why Neolithic populations are so seemingly diverse. Since modern Southwest Asians, Atlantic Med, Caucasus, and north african, have Anatolian_N in them. Northern European maybe perfect for whg/ehg combo, since Yamnaya is perfectly 60% of this ancestry; the rest can be considered chg.

Jovialis
28-03-21, 14:20
Caucasus seems more related to non-steppe related CHG; I also think Anatolian_N is partly subsumed into this component. While the Gedrosia more related to Steppe related CHG.

Jovialis
28-03-21, 14:38
https://i.imgur.com/naLPcPt.jpg

Also looking at these Neolithic populations, I see they also have a "southwest Asian" component in all of the populations. So I don't think it is indicative of recent populations, but simply how Dodecad is interpreting some part of Anatolian_N ancestry.

For Early Neolithic Italy I think the southwest Asian, northwest African, Atlantic med, much of the Caucasus, can all be considered subsumed Anatolian_N:

Here is the modeling from Antonio et al. 2019:
https://i.imgur.com/ksN6p5d.png

You just need to do a little mental gymnastics to see where the components make sense in according to the academic modeling. But some components are better distinguished from others.

Angela
28-03-21, 16:18
The same may be happening with the Eurogenes calculators, although those who use them don't understand that. The newer, more sophisticated academic methods may be able to sort this out better.

MOESAN
28-03-21, 17:24
Caucasus seems more related to non-steppe related CHG; I also think Anatolian_N is partly subsumed into this component. While the Gedrosia more related to Steppe related CHG.

I agree at least for that: some 'anatolian N' in the 'caucasus' and less ANE in it as a whole. The 'gedrosia' part contains more of this ANE, and is closer to the kind of CHG which was on the Steppes. It grew in western and central Europe with the Steppe, at Chalco and Bronze. Concerning 'atlantic-med', I think a part of it was already in western Europe before 'anatolian N', containing some WHG alement...

MOESAN
28-03-21, 17:26
"... containing some WHG element...." > being one of the WHG contribution.

Jovialis
28-03-21, 17:35
I agree at least for that: some 'anatolian N' in the 'caucasus' and less ANE in it as a whole. The 'gedrosia' part contains more of this ANE, and is closer to the kind of CHG which was on the Steppes. It grew in western and central Europe with the Steppe, at Chalco and Bronze. Concerning 'atlantic-med', I think a part of it was already in western Europe before 'anatolian N', containing some WHG alement...

Yes, I think that is right, concerning Atlantic_Med

Jovialis
28-03-21, 22:45
Here is my pie chart, compared to my best 2-way modeling pie charts:

https://i.imgur.com/GkCC27O.png

https://i.imgur.com/rxTnKPV.png

don_joe
28-03-21, 22:52
I somehow can't post all of my 3 my screenshots. I'll try to compress into a shorter posting.

As a Croat from the West Balkans, I'm between Lithuania Narva and Middle Bronze Age Anatolia. Would Lithuania Narva be more "Slavic" or "Gothic" or is it something else? Bronze Age Anatolia, does it come from the same folks as the Neolithic immigrants from the Fertile Crescent into the Danube valley or did it arrive with the Greeks or some other folks during the Bronze Age? Thanks.

My results:

1.4890 60.40% Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4) + 39.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
1.9633 26.40% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 73.60% Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)
2.3400 63.60% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 36.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
2.3664 36.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 63.60% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12)

Duarte
28-03-21, 23:47
I started making maps to visualise the admixtures by period.

https://www.eupedia.com/images/maps/Mesolithic_K12b.jpg


https://www.eupedia.com/images/maps/Early_Neolithic_K12b.jpg




Comparing my autosomal mixture GedMatch Dodecad K12b with the populations of the map above, it seems that I am an original mixture of EEF + WHG + CHG + Iberomaurisians (Nothwest African HG). When adding the modern component YRI30 (Yoruba) to these ancestral populations, an unfolding of the Iberomaurisian population occurs, which demonstrates that most likely I received in Brazil an SSA genetic load of ˜2.8% of the African slaves trafficked to Brazil in the colonial age.



Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.4704% / 3.47038440




45.8
Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=10)





32.8
Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)





14.8
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





6.6
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)









Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.8214% / 1.82138439




45.5
Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=10)





32.3
Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)





13.8
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





5.6
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)





2.8
Yoruba

Northener
29-03-21, 14:59
Also, we know that Minoan, and Anatolian_ChL can be modeled with just CHG/IN and Anatolian_N. So we can assume that "southwest Asian" in Dodecad is actually not indicative of Levantine ancestry. Rather, it may just be picking up a common ancestry that is prevalent in that area, that came from the north, rather than a native component.


https://i.imgur.com/Qc4CjnW.jpg



Thanks Maciamo, ah! that's why Nordic Bronze Age pops up in my result, I guess modern NW Europeans still score in the "Nordic LNBA"- "Britain LNBA" range.....

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North_European 49.37
2 Atlantic_Med 36
3 Gedrosia 8.39
4 Caucasus 5.55
5 South_Asian 0.41
6 East_African 0.29

blevins13
29-03-21, 20:42
Here is the map of the Bronze Age period.

https://www.eupedia.com/images/maps/Bronze_Age_K12b.jpg

Anatolian and Mycenaean look similar for the northern component.


Sent from my iPhone using Eupedia Forum (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=89698)

Duarte
30-03-21, 17:23
My modeling choosing the three basic European components (WHG + EEF + Yamna) + one SSA component.

https://i.imgur.com/H4bAhcg.jpg

Maciamo
30-03-21, 19:21
I have split the Bell Beaker Central Europe into three: Poland, Czechia and Hungary.

I added Bronze Age Germany by combing samples from EBA Swabia, Unetice and Urnfield.

- Bronze Age Germany is very similar to modern NW France and Britain (so quite Celtic).

- Bell Beaker Czechia resembles modern Dutch and NW Germans.

- Bell Beaker Poland is close to modern North France.

- Bell Beaker Hungary is the only one with no match under 5. The closest is Northeast France (6.3) the Aosta Valley (6.9).

Jovialis
30-03-21, 19:33
https://i.imgur.com/kTd9H74.png

Here are my results after the update.

Duarte
30-03-21, 19:54
Thank you Maciamo




Distance to:
Duarte


6.17150711
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.71266713
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.86048341
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.27186764
Latins_(n=4)


12.12435978
Villanovans_(n=2)


13.33091895
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


14.03098001
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


14.05696980
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


14.52055095
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


14.84792915
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


15.13849068
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


15.21667178
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


15.30209790
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.31625933
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


16.25126149
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


16.54298643
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


17.46561765
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


18.93396947
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


20.69150309
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


20.81037962
Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


20.83913626
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)


20.97312805
Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)


21.80919989
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


22.12759137
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Italy_(n=4)


22.92128923
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)





Distance to:
Duarte


4.66417136
47.60% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 52.40% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


4.85328375
49.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 51.00% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.04636530
24.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7) + 76.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.18746490
22.80% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 77.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.19626512
42.80% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 57.20% Ostrogoths_(n=3)


5.42021978
20.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38) + 79.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.51279033
82.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9) + 17.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.55329431
48.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7) + 51.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.63868310
8.20% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.66006917
11.00% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 89.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.66539760
11.80% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=59) + 88.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.67109585
5.80% Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5) + 94.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.73086346
6.00% Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=10) + 94.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.73125619
6.40% Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10) + 93.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.75815472
2.80% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 97.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.77419747
6.80% Middle_Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12) + 93.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78241084
7.40% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=59) + 92.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78342255
6.60% Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13) + 93.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78479561
6.80% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 93.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.80845669
7.60% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58) + 92.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.81063741
32.40% MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6) + 67.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.81619145
6.00% Early_Neolithic_Maghreb_(n=1) + 94.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.81776672
7.20% Neolithic_Britain_(n=62) + 92.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.81831970
13.20% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6) + 86.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.82309411
8.20% Megalithic_Europe_(n=24) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)





Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.6642% / 4.66417136 | R2P




52.4
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





47.6
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.2378% / 3.23778073 | R3P




55.4
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)





37.8
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





6.8
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.5300% / 2.52998438 | R4P




43.0
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





31.2
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





15.6
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)





10.2
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)








Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.9308% / 1.93082214 | R5P




35.6
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





28.8
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





19.0
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





12.5
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





4.1
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)







ERROR! Non-numerical value detected in TABSOURCE data.

torzio
30-03-21, 23:57
Distance to:

TorzioK12b



3.84695984
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


6.60722332
Villanovans_(n=2)


10.01532825
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


10.09930691
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.59642393
Etruscans_(n=3)


10.70577881
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


13.13600776
Latins_(n=4)


15.40992213
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.55084564
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


15.90517840
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


17.07502855
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


17.55117945
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


17.85517012
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


18.58959117
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


18.62277101
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


19.24526695
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)


19.31956780
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


19.66164540
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


20.52104773
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


20.87510000
Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


21.04882420
Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)


22.70709581
Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)


23.05887248
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


23.65544969
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


24.21328561
Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)






Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 1.1479% / 1.14785679 | ADC: 0.25x RC





53.3
Bronze_Age_Illyrians






38.8
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)






4.9
Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)






3.0
Avars_(n=2)









Distance to:
TorzioK12b



1.01637028
60.60% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 39.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.09120220
48.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 52.00% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)


1.38733157
45.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 54.60% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


1.57641508
49.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 50.80% Lombards_(n=28)


1.59465844
41.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 58.40% Lombards_(n=28)


1.61657630
53.00% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 47.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.63813115
46.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.40% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


1.70804040
55.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 45.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.81083934
93.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 6.40% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


1.81301319
93.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 7.00% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


1.83939066
5.00% Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7) + 95.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.84098870
6.80% Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=8) + 93.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.84104359
5.00% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 95.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.84886826
94.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 5.80% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12)


1.84994977
94.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 5.80% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)


1.85704496
40.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7) + 60.00% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)


1.86022241
29.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 71.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.86509818
5.20% Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 94.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.87449894
4.80% Mesolithic_Volga-Ural_(n=2) + 95.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.88049907
4.60% Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4) + 95.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.88822152
90.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 9.40% Avars_(n=2)


1.90771436
5.40% Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4) + 94.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.93217773
48.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 51.20% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)


1.96139894
6.00% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 94.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


1.96802339
92.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 7.20% MBA_Andronovo_culture_(n=3)

Salento
31-03-21, 00:38
... Neolithic Lithuania Narva culture /\ Italian Greeks

https://i.imgur.com/CRu4noc.gif

Salento
31-03-21, 02:29
... Neolithic Lithuania Narva culture /\ Italian Greeks

https://i.imgur.com/CRu4noc.gif
... 90.40% Italian_Greeks vs NatGeo 91% Italy & Southern Europe:


https://i.imgur.com/ZizZ4Rq.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/Nv7NS1R.jpg

Jovialis
31-03-21, 11:31
In regards to Southwest Asian as a component, I noticed that the Natufians are a significant amount of it. Which makes me suspect that it is indeed an Anatolian_N-like ancestry being subsumed. Because Lazaridis' 2018 pre-print models Natufian as 73% Dzudzurna-like ancestry, which is highly similar to Anatolian_N. Which is perhaps why Southwest Asian is being detected in Neolithic European populations. The non-Anatolian_N part that can be distinguished as Ancestral North African-related ancestry in Natufians is possibly being detected separately, by Northwest African, East African, etc., by Dodecad K12b:

https://i.imgur.com/QYkCpEO.png

https://i.imgur.com/D5VxiQL.jpg

Jovialis
09-04-21, 13:49
Here are the values to copy and paste in Vahaduo to compare with your own genome or modern populations. They are listed in chronological order so that you can easily select the period you are interested in. When comparing someone to multiple ancient populations, it does not make much sense to mix Mesolithic or Neolithic samples with Iron Age or Medieval ones, so it's better to split the data accordingly.


Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6),0.00,0.34, 20.28,1.24,14.41,0.20,1.19,4.56,43.91,0.39,13.48,0 .00
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5),0.00 ,1.08,65.59,1.69,0.04,0.06,1.11,18.93,5.54,0.05,0. 00,5.90
Mesolithic_Anatolia_(AHG)_(n=1),0.00,0.00,3.77,0.1 1,57.42,0.42,0.00,0.00,11.78,0.00,26.51,0.00
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2),36. 94,0.39,0.00,0.05,0.00,9.82,0.90,0.33,0.00,0.00,47 .52,3.91
Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21),0.00,0.57,0 .00,0.74,30.90,65.73,0.38,0.08,0.00,0.02,0.00,1.57
Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43),0.01,0.37,0.02,0.35,2 4.46,72.81,0.08,0.02,0.09,0.07,0.03,1.71
Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31),0.25,2. 72,0.00,0.22,15.89,79.14,0.50,0.12,0.00,0.02,0.00, 1.13
Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7),0.92,4.54,0.00,0.62,9.05, 81.79,1.31,0.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.21
Mesolithic_Volga-Ural_(n=2),11.27,8.18,0.00,0.00,0.00,77.53,2.39,0. 00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.64
Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4),7.23,7.78,0.00,1 .37,1.40,81.04,0.09,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.09
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15),0.48,0.09,9.68,0.1 0,23.86,1.59,0.00,1.98,30.73,0.94,30.53,0.00
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6),64.18,1.82,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.81,5.83,1.02,3.55,0.68,15.97,6.15
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=8),0.00,0.12,2.99,0. 30,50.28,3.72,0.35,0.20,9.54,0.13,31.82,0.55
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7),0.04,0.00,4.97,0.16 ,39.87,0.03,0.00,0.15,14.63,0.17,38.75,1.22
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3),0.00,0.00,3.61,0.49,4 3.20,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.96,0.00,37.99,0.76
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8),0.00,0.09,2 .99,0.01,49.42,7.60,0.00,0.06,11.36,0.04,28.32,0.1 1
EN_Alfold_Linear_Pottery_culture_(n=20),0.00,0.00, 3.05,0.05,54.21,4.88,0.22,0.09,12.37,0.12,24.83,0. 18
EN_LBK_culture_(n=43),0.00,0.02,3.21,0.09,51.90,0. 72,0.00,0.12,14.11,0.07,29.64,0.13
Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4),0.00,0.06,2.12,0.00,5 7.21,0.69,0.00,0.00,12.87,0.00,27.06,0.00
Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=10),0.00,0.32,4.62,0.13,6 9.67,0.81,0.01,0.05,9.59,0.15,14.08,0.58
Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10),0.00,0.00,3.77,0.01,5 4.90,1.68,0.00,0.05,11.33,0.05,28.23,0.01
Early_Neolithic_Maghreb_(n=1),0.00,0.00,19.30,0.00 ,48.09,0.17,0.00,1.77,20.93,0.00,9.74,0.00
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4),0,0.00,2.89,0.11,51.14,18 .29,1.31,0.34,7.10,0.00,19.58,0.00
Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12),0.12,2.88,0.00,0.81,11.87 ,81.52,1.35,0.00,0.00,0.35,0.00,1.11
Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4),0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,21.15,78.32,0.06,0.00,0.00,0.04,0.00,0.4 3
MN_Vinca_culture_(n=6),0.00,0.05,2.99,0.06,51.34,0 .98,0.14,0.14,18.20,0.00,25.77,0.31
LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8),0.00,0.06,3.98,0.00,51.67 ,3.60,0.00,0.02,11.19,0.00,29.36,0.11
LN_Tisza-Sopot_culture_(n=11),0.00,0.01,2.26,0.19,53.02,3.1 5,0.02,0.00,13.69,0.30,27.18,0.19
Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10),0.00,0.00,3.76,0.00 ,55.03,3.82,0.00,0.07,11.77,0.00,25.52,0.03
Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10),0.00,0.00,4.37,1. 35,67.53,2.79,0.00,0.13,7.55,0.12,16.03,0.12
Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19),0.00,0.06,4.04,0.24 ,62.41,9.46,0.05,0.13,8.41,0.04,15.02,0.15
Neolithic_Britain_(n=62),0.00,0.07,4.07,0.28,65.93 ,13.23,0.08,0.07,7.13,0.20,8.68,0.25
Middle_Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12),0.00,0.11,3.94, 0.29,67.66,9.90,0.28,0.03,7.06,0.29,10.09,0.35
Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58),0.52,0.13,4.08,0 .19,63.95,11.13,0.03,0.02,7.00,0.19,12.71,0.06
Megalithic_Europe_(n=24),0.00,0.02,3.77,0.25,62.37 ,13.97,0.05,0.43,7.32,0.37,10.86,0.59
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6),0.00,0.0 0,1.29,0.65,53.72,42.20,0.00,0.27,0.68,0.32,0.00,0 .86
Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3),26.10,5.95,0.00,0.15,0.00, 66.48,0.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.37,0.40
Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3),36.31,2.64,0.00,0 .00,0.00,48.76,2.57,0.00,0.00,0.00,8.54,1.18
CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5),24.19,1.31,0.00,0.03,9 .45,62.36,0.32,0.07,0.00,0.04,1.93,0.28
Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3),23.32,0.00,0 .74,0.31,0.96,11.65,0.26,0.00,3.70,0.70,56.91,1.44
Chalcolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=4),17.37,0.00,2.29,0.71 ,12.06,0.70,0.74,0.62,16.84,0.41,47.98,0.27
Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35),8.77,0.05,1.54,0.16,1 7.49,0.97,0.36,0.13,17.88,0.12,52.11,0.41
Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6),0.00,0.00,3.09,0.1 2,26.99,0.00,0.11,0.00,22.78,0.26,46.53,0.13
Chalcolithic_Israel,0.00,0.00,5.47,0.28,18.98,0.00 ,0.01,1.07,36.61,0.12,37.31,0.15
Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9),0.00,0.00,3.62,0.03,48 .06,5.72,0.00,0.00,13.72,0.00,28.84,0.01
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3),0.00,0.00,0.78,0.71,69. 04,11.78,0.00,0.00,5.18,0.00,11.80,0.72
Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6),0.00,0.14,2.10,0.00 ,62.55,19.90,0.00,0.00,6.42,0.01,8.72,0.16
Middle_Chalcolithic_Hungary_(n=9),0.00,0.06,2.59,0 .00,54.30,4.98,0.01,0.21,11.41,0.09,26.19,0.16
Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14),0.00,0.01,3 .30,0.10,54.14,7.69,0.00,0.02,11.04,0.13,23.26,0.3 2
Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10),0.00,0.05,7.10,0.2 0,62.40,4.58,0.00,1.41,8.67,0.08,14.69,0.83
Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=59),0.70,0.19,3.50,0.44,66. 83,15.02,0.41,0.30,5.14,0.15,6.89,0.43
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11),0.41,0.03,2.98,0.14,68.8 3,13.98,0.95,0.15,3.37,0.53,8.33,0.31
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13),8.61,0.65,1.22,0.24,38.28, 39.03,0.77,0.52,3.24,0.08,7.02,0.33
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20),8.93,1.10,0.71,0.27,35.12,40.72,0.79 ,0.30,1.46,0.17,9.66,0.78
Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15),8.03,0.49,0.54,0.03,34. 19,45.22,0.45,0.10,1.12,0.12,9.28,0.43
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6),9.44,0.72,1.14,0.40,36.3 0,32.38,0.21,0.19,4.16,0.00,14.09,0.98
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6),9.04,1.19,0.23,0.14,38.46 ,36.83,0.21,0.16,1.73,0.00,11.13,0.89
Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7),13.47,0.91,0.00,0.04 ,30.87,49.92,1.00,0.17,0.02,0.01,2.72,0.86
Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27),12.57,0.74,0.15,0.13,34 .10,47.22,0.84,0.37,0.31,0.18,2.76,0.65
Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=8),23.11,0.73,1.17,0.01,5.83,6.9 2,0.09,0.33,9.87,0.00,51.11,0.83
Early_Bronze_Age_Jordan_(n=3),3.70,1.96,1.80,2.59, 16.66,0.07,0.03,2.56,34.26,0.00,36.36,0.00
Minoan_Greece_(n=10),1.24,0.05,2.80,0.09,40.35,0.0 7,0.00,0.00,13.79,0.29,41.27,0.04
Maykop_culture_(n=16),27.32,3.15,0.44,0.11,3.81,20 .03,2.14,0.10,5.14,0.02,36.78,0.95
Yamna_culture_(n=16),27.42,2.50,0.00,0.12,3.38,57. 21,1.90,0.04,0.00,0.00,6.77,0.68
Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=8),14.28,0.91,0.00,0.00,18. 29,62.48,1.74,0.10,0.00,0.00,1.56,0.65
Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17),14.35,0.78,0.06,0.06,22 .27,55.22,0.50,0.04,0.15,0.35,5.47,0.75
Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3),12.01,0.59,0.00,0.00,29.41,52.60 ,1.01,0.10,0.00,0.00,3.25,1.03
EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18),14.71,1.13,0.42,0.34, 23.58,52.50,1.46,0.36,0.06,0.12,4.09,1.21
EMBA_Poltavka_culture_(n=8),24.61,3.15,0.00,0.00,9 .02,55.88,1.84,0.14,0.36,0.00,4.47,0.54
EMBA_Catacomb_culture_(n=4),28.50,2.40,0.00,0.09,2 .43,57.07,1.42,0.00,0.00,0.00,7.10,1.00
MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4),14.63,0.10,0.10,0.00,2 7.86,55.95,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.05,0.33
EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18),8.09,0.76,0.61,0.09,30. 84,53.50,0.40,0.23,0.29,0.14,4.80,0.25
Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28),11.99,0.65,0.40,0. 43,34.02,46.75,0.72,0.21,0.28,0.08,3.35,1.11
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7),3.84,0.22,2.77,0.76, 54.51,24.30,0.87,0.24,3.43,1.00,7.06,0.99
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4),2.09,0.31,2.85,0.36,38.17,7 .57,0.13,0.25,9.98,0.42,37.10,0.80
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15),0.40,0.28,3.21,0.18,48.14 ,9.71,0.19,0.00,9.88,0.20,27.52,0.27
Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13),0.00,0.00,4.03,0.36,66.71, 5.81,0.07,0.03,8.09,0.05,14.64,0.23
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24),11.28,0.63,0.25,0.1 8,36.18,44.97,1.05,0.14,0.09,0.04,4.37,0.82
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24),7.79,0.63,1.26,0.44 ,40.93,37.99,0.74,0.22,1.73,0.26,7.55,0.45
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5),1.20,0.35,0 .17,0.37,50.83,30.77,0.19,0.78,2.26,0.00,12.74,0.3 3
Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4),9.53,0.00,1.96,0.0 9,14.18,0.00,0.15,0.32,19.93,0.06,53.10,0.68
Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9),8.77,0.00,3.0 9,0.37,12.70,0.24,0.55,0.54,26.16,0.13,47.13,0.31
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=24),11.47,0.21,3.3 5,0.20,12.45,3.12,0.68,0.45,22.43,0.21,45.27,0.15
Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2),5.22,0.00,0.00,0. 00,29.43,3.32,0.00,0.11,12.40,0.00,48.94,0.58
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2),9.37,3.22,0.80,0.00 ,16.48,8.51,0.00,0.00,13.03,3.32,44.46,0.83
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7),7.65,0.38,0.15, 0.04,40.96,35.90,0.95,0.22,1.24,0.25,11.46,0.80
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Italy_(n=4),0.00,0.21,1.88 ,0.00,56.32,11.55,0.06,0.04,9.77,0.16,19.64,0.37
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38),1.40,0.22,2.80,0.35,5 6.09,25.24,0.44,0.17,3.45,0.30,9.06,0.48
Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26),8.37,0.70,0.79,0.34,38.0 3,41.31,0.58,0.33,1.30,0.28,7.50,0.47
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14),5.79,0.00,0.17,0.80,37.49 ,53.80,0.07,0.00,0.08,0.00,1.36,0.44
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=7),28.78,2.62, 0.00,0.31,2.06,52.67,0.93,0.12,0.00,0.00,11.30,1.2 1
Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=4),26.72,0.93,0. 00,0.00,2.39,25.10,1.33,0.07,1.70,0.16,40.77,0.83
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12),0.70,0.00,0.41,0.02 ,44.26,41.40,0.29,0.11,1.52,0.12,10.92,0.25
Bronze_Age_Illyrians,4.87,0.27,0.93,0.48,37.82,25. 19,0.00,0.00,5.57,0.00,24.10,0.78
MBA_Andronovo_culture_(n=3),15.80,3.46,0.00,1.55,1 9.95,57.67,0.26,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.07,0.24
LBA_Karasuk_culture_(n=7),15.10,23.27,0.00,0.00,10 .87,40.85,0.92,0.01,0.00,8.54,0.02,0.42
LBA_South_Siberia_(n=4),8.54,20.93,0.00,0.26,17.73 ,44.02,0.23,0.00,0.53,6.12,1.29,0.36
LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27),18.44,2.39,0.16,0.24,19. 92,53.42,1.13,0.31,0.05,0.03,3.40,0.52
Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12),2.62,0.66,0.24,0.36,15.25 ,74.50,1.04,0.56,0.03,0.00,3.86,0.88
Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16),2.02,2.00,0.48,0.23,14.9 5,74.85,0.57,0.60,0.05,0.25,2.92,1.08
Bronze_Age_Kola_peninsula_(n=6),7.02,38.04,0.00,0. 60,0.00,44.58,1.85,0.08,0.00,7.38,0.00,0.45
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22),3.02,0.85,2.28,0.28,54.07,2 7.53,0.82,0.19,2.53,0.23,7.39,0.80
Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3),8.72,0.00,5.40,0.18,1 1.54,3.12,0.00,0.17,27.17,0.00,43.57,0.13
Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6),7.41,0.21,7.23,0.17,14.49,1. 45,1.28,1.12,21.97,0.12,44.37,0.19
Iron_Age_Armenia_(n=7),22.61,0.21,0.28,0.19,10.41, 22.97,0.05,0.00,5.13,0.00,37.60,0.54
Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2),10.34,0.00,0.81,0.00,39.36,4 4.51,0.60,0.00,0.00,0.00,3.68,0.73
Italian_Greeks_(n=2),6.88,0.00,3.78,0.50,27.23,11. 24,0.00,0.22,13.20,0.00,36.92,0.01
Etruscans_(n=3),2.73,0.06,5.36,0.05,41.49,20.22,0. 12,0.73,8.21,0.07,20.57,0.47
Villanovans_(n=2),3.29,0.99,2.09,0.00,41.12,24.06, 0.00,0.00,5.45,0.00,22.68,0.20
Latins_(n=4),3.10,0.41,1.38,0.20,47.83,24.48,0.40, 0.04,2.68,0.00,19.26,0.25
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16),5.45,0.24,1.05,0.31,40.57,36.4 6,0.87,0.22,3.29,0.46,10.72,0.31
Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2),3.08,0.00,0.34,0.00,42.42,41 .91,0.00,0.22,1.24,1.38,9.44,0.65
Cimmerians_(n=6),17.57,9.28,0.00,1.02,15.41,38.52, 1.99,0.30,0.79,4.21,10.27,0.64
Western_Scythians_(n=28),11.10,4.19,1.03,0.96,23.2 8,33.27,0.97,0.60,3.60,2.63,17.68,0.71
Eastern_Scythians_(n=12),18.04,18.04,0.02,2.33,6.0 0,31.64,3.25,0.36,0.71,13.47,5.47,0.68
Sarmatians_(n=14),23.82,8.10,0.15,0.26,11.53,41.41 ,2.40,0.29,0.18,2.22,8.97,0.67
Iron_Age_Kangju_(n=4),25.75,6.42,0.00,0.16,13.08,3 4.22,1.63,0.00,0.21,2.41,14.45,1.69
Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8),2.71,1.76,0.24,0.18,17.89,6 9.33,0.89,0.36,1.05,0.11,4.48,1.00
Iron_Age_Finland_(n=3),5.23,16.18,0.26,0.71,20.26, 53.58,1.39,0.31,0.00,1.92,0.01,0.16
Tian_Shan_Huns_(n=8),20.94,17.16,0.00,0.18,8.64,32 .97,1.72,0.04,0.00,13.49,4.10,0.76
Tian_Shan_Saka_(n=5),25.93,13.09,0.11,0.35,9.74,35 .07,1.32,0.00,0.00,7.80,7.67,0.92
Mongolian_Xiongnu_(n=5),8.74,15.47,0.12,12.81,2.00 ,11.56,1.38,0.00,0.11,46.40,0.08,1.31
Iron_Age_Altai_(n=5),14.62,23.01,0.13,2.97,7.58,34 .88,0.33,0.00,0.00,13.80,2.40,0.30
Roman_Britain_(n=8),10.24,0.15,0.85,0.14,37.33,43. 76,0.44,0.23,0.33,0.17,5.38,0.97
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31),4.55,0.46,6.37,0.25,39.0 7,23.34,1.00,0.89,7.10,0.33,15.47,1.17
Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5),0.00,0.66,30.29,0.56 ,25.07,2.26,1.09,8.87,15.17,0.20,10.19,5.65
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9),4.57,0.27,4.62,0 .16,41.22,26.09,0.68,0.75,5.75,0.55,14.51,0.83
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14),3.62,0.24,8.84,0.29,33.6 9,15.78,0.81,3.06,10.12,0.54,15.98,7.02
Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20),8.36,0.62,0.93,0.34,32.06,44 .48,0.20,0.31,1.20,0.40,5.05,1.06
Anglo-Saxon_(n=3),11.74,0.13,0.54,0.24,37.75,46.55,0.24, 0.27,0.31,0.15,1.44,0.63
Lombards_(n=28),8.38,0.38,0.30,0.17,35.03,46.38,0. 35,0.23,1.05,0.06,7.26,0.42
Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3),9.95,0.37,0.86,0.9 5,31.29,45.56,0.72,0.32,1.25,0.00,8.38,0.35
Ostrogoths_(n=3),7.92,2.51,1.82,1.28,29.31,39.14,0 .73,0.09,0.86,1.73,13.41,1.21
Swedish_Vikings_(n=23),6.50,1.09,0.51,0.68,31.07,5 1.68,0.75,0.43,0.28,0.39,5.16,1.46
Caucasian_Alans_(n=2),20.70,2.23,0.10,0.00,10.37,2 4.33,0.07,0.00,3.64,0.00,38.14,0.42
Avars_(n=2),4.96,1.09,0.11,0.00,24.45,55.08,0.69,0 .34,1.38,0.00,11.68,0.23
Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2),0.92,0.00,0.27,0.00,27 .17,65.15,0.00,0.00,0.19,0.00,6.29,0.03
Medieval_Estonia_(n=7),3.28,1.99,0.62,1.64,21.55,6 5.31,0.45,0.39,0.82,0.17,3.06,0.72
Medieval_Steppe_Turks_(n=2),15.51,14.66,0.19,2.02, 12.43,27.26,0.00,0.00,0.00,22.40,5.20,0.34

I recommend using the 2WAY function as it takes into account blends of populations. I tested it with modern individuals with parents from different countries and is worked perfectly (exactly 50%-50% from each parent's country). It is a bit slow to calculate though.


The inclusion of Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) for the most part fixes the projection issue for the 3D PCA for Dodecad K12b.

Here it is just using West Eurasian sample sets:

https://i.imgur.com/BkkO9d2.png

Jovialis
09-04-21, 13:58
https://i.imgur.com/t86abgo.png

Here is the PCA with the individual samples included with Maciamo's sample sets, as well as HGDP and Dodecad K12b samples for modern populations. For the 3D PCA, it really projects well.

Jovialis
09-04-21, 21:18
In regards to Southwest Asian as a component, I noticed that the Natufians are a significant amount of it. Which makes me suspect that it is indeed an Anatolian_N-like ancestry being subsumed. Because Lazaridis' 2018 pre-print models Natufian as 73% Dzudzurna-like ancestry, which is highly similar to Anatolian_N. Which is perhaps why Southwest Asian is being detected in Neolithic European populations. The non-Anatolian_N part that can be distinguished as Ancestral North African-related ancestry in Natufians is possibly being detected separately, by Northwest African, East African, etc., by Dodecad K12b:
https://i.imgur.com/QYkCpEO.png
https://i.imgur.com/D5VxiQL.jpg

What is interesting to me as well in the PCA, is the disk that forms in the middle. I think this is formed by Dzudzuana-like ancestry being augmented by outside sources on the periphery.

Jovialis
10-04-21, 12:36
To create the 3D PCA, download from the mediafire link, and copy the text in the note file. It contains all of the values I used; the individual ancient samples; the modern west Eurasian samples; Maciamo's Ancient Ethnicities Checker sample sets:

https://www.mediafire.com/file/lesgc7o2fet9mpd/Dodecad+K12b+3D+PCA+4-10-21.txt/file

Then go to the following website:

https://vahaduo.github.io/custompca/

Paste it in the source tab; then click on the Plot PCA tab. Click the PCA Run button; then Plot PCA; finally, the 3D button.

Et voilà:

https://i.imgur.com/f96xUiO.png

Jovialis
12-04-21, 16:04
Here is my pie chart, compared to my best 2-way modeling pie charts:

https://i.imgur.com/GkCC27O.png

https://i.imgur.com/rxTnKPV.png

Here is a 3D and 2D PCA, with all of the available samples, highlighting my best 2 way modeling, as well as all of the Ancient Greek samples we have:

https://i.imgur.com/b7076Ww.png
https://i.imgur.com/J94SW5V.png

2D projection:

https://i.imgur.com/2W8P67v.png

Jovialis
12-04-21, 16:19
Also, here are the values for the northern Greek samples from The genomic history of the Aegean palatial civilizations

Here was the thread on it: The genomic history of the Aegean palatial civilizations. (eupedia.com) (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/40824-The-genomic-history-of-the-Aegean-palatial-civilizations)


Kou01,0.13,0,2.62,0,36.59,0.3,0,0,13.35,0.53,45.02 ,1.45
Kou03,4.64,0,2.77,0,32.51,1.12,0,0,11.34,0.32,45.2 8,2.02
Log02,2.02,0.51,1.68,0.46,32.46,23.57,0,0.25,7.97, 0,30.09,1
Log04,7.05,1.16,0.26,0,31.18,28.21,0,0.13,4.25,0.9 2,24.07,2.77
Mik15,0,0,5.75,0.07,41.42,0.91,0,0.03,13.26,0.69,3 5.94,1.94
Pta08,0,0,3.85,0.33,34.73,0.38,0.14,0.05,14.68,0.4 8,43.65,1.72

Maciamo
14-04-21, 11:41
Also, here are the values for the northern Greek samples from The genomic history of the Aegean palatial civilizations

Here was the thread on it: The genomic history of the Aegean palatial civilizations. (eupedia.com) (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/40824-The-genomic-history-of-the-Aegean-palatial-civilizations)

Thanks. I have added the average for EMBA Greece to the coordinates. It is much closer to Mycenaean Greece (3.9) than Minoan Greece (11.8).

Twilight
15-04-21, 00:03
Hey Maciamo, Im looking into the ancestors of CHG, these coordinates look realistic but I was wondering if these are to your liking. :)

Dodecad K12B



Target: Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
Distance: 59.2634% / 59.26336003





39.0
Mesolithic_Anatolia_(AHG)_(n=1)



31.5
Mesolithic_Volga-Ural_(n=2)



22.8
Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6)



6.7
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)





Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6),0.00,0.34, 20.28,1.24,14.41,0.20,1.19,4.56,43.91,0.39,13.48,0 .00
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5),0.00 ,1.08,65.59,1.69,0.04,0.06,1.11,18.93,5.54,0.05,0. 00,5.90
Mesolithic_Anatolia_(AHG)_(n=1),0.00,0.00,3.77,0.1 1,57.42,0.42,0.00,0.00,11.78,0.00,26.51,0.00
Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21),0.00,0.57,0 .00,0.74,30.90,65.73,0.38,0.08,0.00,0.02,0.00,1.57
Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43),0.01,0.37,0.02,0.35,2 4.46,72.81,0.08,0.02,0.09,0.07,0.03,1.71
Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31),0.25,2. 72,0.00,0.22,15.89,79.14,0.50,0.12,0.00,0.02,0.00, 1.13
Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7),0.92,4.54,0.00,0.62,9.05, 81.79,1.31,0.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.21
Mesolithic_Volga-Ural_(n=2),11.27,8.18,0.00,0.00,0.00,77.53,2.39,0. 00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.64
Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4),7.23,7.78,0.00,1 .37,1.40,81.04,0.09,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.09

WFG80
15-04-21, 19:33
I can't seem to figure out how to do this. Can you please show a specific example of what the text I copy into the table is supposed to look like? I've tried it using the app and added commas but it's not working. Sorry.

WFG80
15-04-21, 20:08
In Target, sorry.

Jovialis
15-04-21, 20:17
I can't seem to figure out how to do this. Can you please show a specific example of what the text I copy into the table is supposed to look like? I've tried it using the app and added commas but it's not working. Sorry.

You have to get your results from Gedmatch, or Admixture Studio, under the Dodecad K12b calculator:

https://i.imgur.com/nIM78Rj.png

Then after you run the sample through the calcualtor, and it processes, on the Visualization tab, there is a sub-tab called results:

https://i.imgur.com/wKXPhAH.png

Click on "Copy", and it will give you a set of values, with the example above, it gives these:

I would recommend using excel:

https://i.imgur.com/Qg4pOOh.png

These are the values you need, in this specific order, starting with Gedrosia, and ending with Sub-Saharan African. Delete everything except the values for the regional components, and separate them by commas. The example above should look like this, just the name of the sample, and the values with no spaces in between:


Log02_wgs,2.02,0.51,1.68,0.46,32.46,23.57,0,0.25,7 .97,0,30.09,1

WFG80
15-04-21, 21:05
My results are pretty much blank. All I get is Component and the % sign.

WFG80
15-04-21, 21:46
I sort of got it to work. I changed over to my 23andMe file. Thanks for your help.

WFG80
15-04-21, 22:01
Distance to: William
0.88891263 35.20% EMBA_Greece_(n=6) + 64.80% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)
1.02622244 65.60% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 34.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
1.48185649 29.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 70.40% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)
1.64644077 16.80% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 83.20% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)
1.67025567 34.80% Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=8) + 65.20% Villanovans_(n=2)
1.86794894 33.00% EMBA_Greece_(n=6) + 67.00% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
1.92164818 77.00% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 23.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
1.94911843 29.80% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7) + 70.20% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)
1.99836690 32.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 67.80% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
2.18769754 27.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 72.40% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
2.22130807 82.00% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 18.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
2.25617662 61.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 39.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
2.36035551 29.00% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 71.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)
2.36537424 77.60% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 22.40% EMBA_Greece_(n=6)
2.38537267 41.80% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17) + 58.20% Villanovans_(n=2)
2.41692361 67.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 32.60% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)
2.50104134 26.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 73.20% Lombards_(n=28)
2.52841636 19.60% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 80.40% Lombards_(n=28)
2.55825951 44.60% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 55.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
2.56821853 16.00% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 84.00% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)
2.57730148 32.20% Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=8) + 67.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
2.61303721 24.20% EMBA_Greece_(n=6) + 75.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
2.63074083 29.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 70.20% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)
2.67616037 21.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 79.00% Lombards_(n=28)
2.70314805 48.20% Etruscans_(n=3) + 51.80% Avars_(n=2)

LFscience
17-04-21, 00:53
Hello, I was having trouble using the vahaduo spreadsheet. I followed the directions below. However, I get the following "WARNING! Number of white-space characters removed in TABTARGET data: 3782. ERROR! Data load error in TABTARGET."
Do you have suggestions for trouble shooting?
Thank you



Go to Go to Vahaduo Dodecad K12b, delete the source coordinates (Ctrll+A to select, then backspace) and replace it by these coordinates (copy and paste the text highlighted in 'Code').
In target, paste your Dodecad K12b coordinates (from step 1), with your name in front separated by a comma (just like in the coordinates you just copied and pasted in the previous step). Click on Distance, then Run to see the closest match with an entire ancient population. You may obtain better results in Single or 2Way to see the potential mix of your ancestral populations.

LFscience
17-04-21, 01:10
My results are pretty much blank. All I get is Component and the % sign.

How did you get your results to work? I'm getting a blank Results tab with just Component and the % sign as well. Thanks

WFG80
17-04-21, 02:25
How did you get your results to work? I'm getting a blank Results tab with just Component and the % sign as well. Thanks

I did the copy values only thing then removed spaces, percentage symbols, added commas and placed a name in front, per
Jovialis recommendation. I believe it worked for me this time because my 23andMe raw data matched me with 12 components whereas my Ancestry raw data only matched me with 10.


Basically, I went from this:


%
6.08%
0.65%
1.66%
0.37%
32.55%
37.84%
0.53%
0.02%
3.76%
0.19%
16.18%
0.18%


To this:


William,6.08,0.65,1.66,0.37,32.55,37.84,0.53,0.02, 3.76,0.19,16.18,0.18

You, presumably, will have different numbers.

Salento
17-04-21, 02:38
... Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture and Italian_Greeks :


https://i.imgur.com/M0c4BuT.gif

Maciamo
22-04-21, 13:47
I have added:

- Late Antiquity Latium : most similar to modern Marche (1.4), Lazio (2.2) and Romagna (4.3).
- Early Medieval Latium : most similar to modern Romagna (2.8), Marche (3.3) and Lazio (4.1).
- Late Medieval Latium : most similar to modern Romagna (4.3), Tuscany (4.5) and Emilia (4.8).

Using the 2WAY percentages with the Iron Age populations as sources, we get:

- Late Antiquity Latium : 69.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 31.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) => distance = 1.75
- Early Medieval Latium : 63.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 37.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) => distance = 3.5
- Late Medieval Latium: 51.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 48.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) => distance = 1.27

So the Latium got more Celtic-like and less Greek-like over time between 300 and 1500 CE.

Jovialis
22-04-21, 16:58
https://i.imgur.com/qF4ZyaT.png

This makes sense considering the increase in the CHG/IN-cline the further south you go in the Italian peninsula.

https://i.imgur.com/ONagPuX.jpg

Stuvanè
22-04-21, 17:54
From last updates :)



Distance to:
Dodecadk12bStuvanè


1.21333868
86.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 13.20% Avars_(n=2)


1.31544663
8.00% Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4) + 92.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.33787616
89.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 10.40% Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)


1.38828111
9.20% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8) + 90.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.40308287
8.40% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12) + 91.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.41632842
7.80% Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 92.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.41891825
90.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 10.00% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


1.43379052
8.40% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16) + 91.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.46155456
8.60% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 91.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.51060219
58.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 41.80% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


1.53056178
7.40% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 92.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.57977958
42.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 58.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.61842251
7.20% Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7) + 92.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.67295690
9.80% Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=8) + 90.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.69980595
12.60% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 87.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.71689479
11.60% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17) + 88.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.78727890
9.60% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 90.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.85385340
6.80% Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4) + 93.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.86953183
11.00% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4) + 89.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.87517081
87.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 13.00% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


1.91828818
10.20% MBA_Andronovo_culture_(n=3) + 89.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.93041691
12.00% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3) + 88.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.97501229
84.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 15.20% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


2.00879919
11.80% EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18) + 88.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


2.02340952
15.80% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 84.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)

Maciamo
22-04-21, 20:06
I have just added:

- Imperial Age Rome & Latium : most similar to Greek islanders from Kos and Rhodes (both 3.0) and Italian Jews (5.0). That may be because ethnic Romans were cremated and therefore not part of the remains tested.

I first separated the data from Rome and the rest of the Latium, but the difference between the two was negligible.

- Imperial Age Marche : This time closest to modern Abruzzo (2.1), Campania (4.0) and Apulia (5.0), confirming that the samples from Latium were essentially immigrants.

Using the 2Way with Iron Age samples in sources like above, we get:

- Imperial Age Rome & Latium : 3.40% Iron_Age_Armenia + 96.60% Italian_Greeks => distance = 4.47 (not very good match)

- Imperial Age Marche : 80.80% Italian_Greeks + 19.20% Gauls_Belgae => distance = 2.18

Jovialis
22-04-21, 20:48
https://i.imgur.com/nHSu1By.png

I get very close to Imperial Roman Marche in the distance tab.

Jovialis
22-04-21, 20:53
https://i.imgur.com/nHSu1By.png

I get very close to Imperial Roman Marche in the distance tab.

Here is a 2D PCA with the new samples, along with the updated Italian samples for Dodecad K12b on vahaduo:
https://i.imgur.com/en96TFi.png

lacreme
22-04-21, 21:41
My Greek friend



Distance to:
Chris


1.98602136
24.40% Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3) + 75.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


3.00713292
19.80% Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3) + 80.20% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


3.14102633
29.80% EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18) + 70.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


3.20949491
29.40% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17) + 70.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


3.26185440
71.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 29.00% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)


3.26548650
72.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 27.40% MBA_Andronovo_culture_(n=3)


3.38915418
54.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 45.20% Western_Scythians_(n=28)


3.45450598
26.20% Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=8) + 73.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


3.61736499
36.80% Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3) + 63.20% Etruscans_(n=3)


3.63725150
27.00% Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=8) + 73.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


3.67024817
50.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2) + 49.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians


3.82507065
28.00% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4) + 72.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


3.98350176
11.60% Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3) + 88.40% Imperial_Roman_Marche_(n=2)


3.99790440
81.80% Imperial_Roman_Marche_(n=2) + 18.20% Caucasian_Alans_(n=2)


4.02926388
55.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 44.40% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


4.03668999
55.80% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 44.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


4.05420188
59.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 40.40% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


4.07435708
44.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2) + 56.00% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


4.07518989
59.00% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 41.00% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)


4.11611037
13.00% Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=4) + 87.00% Imperial_Roman_Marche_(n=2)


4.12911941
60.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 39.20% Ostrogoths_(n=3)


4.13433359
39.40% Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=8) + 60.60% Villanovans_(n=2)


4.18417664
29.60% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3) + 70.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


4.21366413
57.40% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 42.60% Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)


4.34682086
62.20% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 37.80% Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2)

italouruguayan
23-04-21, 00:52
My updates...

Distance to: italouruguayan

11.56324781 Western_Scythians_(n=28)
14.69083047 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
16.23768764 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
16.25998155 Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)
16.91561409 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
17.22619517 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
17.28995084 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
17.89198424 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
18.33555017 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
18.58682060 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
19.14316327 Villanovans_(n=2)
19.86298819 Etruscans_(n=3)
20.81990874 Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)
21.62285365 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
21.86751929 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)
21.87160488 Imperial_Roman_Marche_(n=2)
21.99280109 Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
22.57669816 Cimmerians_(n=6)
22.99249008 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
23.87470209 Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)
24.40309612 Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
24.58744802 Latins_(n=4)
25.13049741 Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
25.24729094 Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)
25.33739134 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
26.52373842 Iron_Age_Kangju_(n=4)
26.82286897 Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
27.12488894 Roman_Britain_(n=8)
27.15390580 Lombards_(n=28)
27.68604522 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)

torzio
23-04-21, 03:41
Distance to:
Torziok12b


5.32530750
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


6.46840011
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


7.93611996
Villanovans_(n=2)


8.83276287
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


9.58380926
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


9.76980041
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


11.45072923
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.79564750
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


13.59802927
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


13.72095113
Latins_(n=4)


14.38534671
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


14.46272104
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


14.51663529
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.64978594
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


16.26212471
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


17.79364774
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


17.83940302
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)


18.06710824
Imperial_Roman_Marche_(n=2)


18.08538360
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


18.27350267
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


18.80015160
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


19.61592210
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


19.75143539
Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)


20.34056538
Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


20.37132298
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)







Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 1.0790% / 1.07896228 | ADC: 0.25x RC




33.1
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)






32.4
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)






32.4
Bronze_Age_Illyrians






2.1
Avars_(n=2)

torzio
23-04-21, 03:42
Distance to:
Torziok12b


0.96235572
30.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 69.20% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)



1.28275078
26.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 74.00% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)



1.32009497
67.80% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 32.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


1.32271482
38.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 61.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.36758056
30.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 69.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)



1.41204789
44.60% Imperial_Roman_Marche_(n=2) + 55.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.42057771
30.40% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 69.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)



1.42644518
64.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 35.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.43970424
47.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.00% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)


1.47469894
23.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 76.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.61329492
33.60% Roman_Britain_(n=8) + 66.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.64160044
20.00% Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2) + 80.00% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


1.64679071
54.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.65219103
32.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24) + 68.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.69887007
51.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 49.00% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)


1.70260430
44.80% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 55.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.71723077
23.60% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 76.40% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)



1.72693236
24.00% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 76.00% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)



1.73022344
53.00% Imperial_Roman_Marche_(n=2) + 47.00% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


1.73354583
39.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 60.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


1.77260423
47.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 52.40% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)


1.77296129
31.80% Iron_Age_Briton_(n=2) + 68.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.77723273
36.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 64.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


1.78402180
49.00% EMBA_Greece_(n=6) + 51.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24)


1.79906282
39.60% Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20) + 60.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)

Jovialis
23-04-21, 04:14
@Maciamo

Salento posted these coordinates in another thread. These are five medieval samples from Foggia, that were used in the recent paper on Viking DNA.


VK534_Dod_K12b,4.06,0.00,3.55,0.35,22.53,17.31,0.0 0,0.85,12.20,1.21,36.33,1.61
VK535_Dod_K12b,8.59,0.00,5.60,1.09,27.21,14.69,0.0 0,0.80,12.43,0.00,28.19,1.39
VK536_Dod_K12b,5.89,1.85,3.79,0.00,32.54,15.84,0.0 0,0.00,8.95,0.00,29.54,1.61
VK537_Dod_K12b,5.21,0.93,4.78,0.00,26.19,16.86,0.9 5,0.70,11.33,0.35,31.41,1.30
VK538_Dod_K12b,5.67,0.03,1.37,1.02,31.40,31.69,0.0 0,0.00,7.51,0.17,19.83,1.30

Medieval_Foggia_(n=5),5.884,0.562,3.818,0.492,27.9 74,19.278,0.19,0.47,10.484,0.346,29.06,1.442

Jovialis
23-04-21, 04:26
Here are my results with the inclusion of Medieval Foggia:

https://i.imgur.com/eJXqOVS.png

https://i.imgur.com/4etez6A.png

Salento
23-04-21, 06:21
Although the Italian-Greeks are now below the Imperial Roman Marche (and Foggia), they still dominate the 2Way :)

... with the extra Foggia VKs averaged by Jovialis:

https://i.imgur.com/2OBq1bQ.gif

https://i.imgur.com/s80bwyO.gif

torzio
23-04-21, 07:44
with Salento vikings included




Distance to:
Torziok12b


5.32530750
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


6.35530487
VK538_Dod_K12b



6.46840011
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


7.93611996
Villanovans_(n=2)


8.83276287
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


9.58380926
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


9.76980041
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


11.45072923
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.79564750
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


13.59802927
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


13.72095113
Latins_(n=4)


14.38534671
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


14.46272104
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


14.51663529
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.19033719
Medieval_Foggia_(n=5)


15.64978594
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


15.88170331
VK536_Dod_K12b



16.26212471
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


17.79364774
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


17.83940302
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)


18.06710824
Imperial_Roman_Marche_(n=2)


18.08538360
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


18.27350267
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


18.80015160
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


19.09991361
VK535_Dod_K12b







Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 1.1308% / 1.13083207 | ADC: 0.25x RC





33.0
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)






31.8
Bronze_Age_Illyrians






28.8
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)






6.4
VK538_Dod_K12b

Jovialis
23-04-21, 12:50
I have added:

- Late Antiquity Latium : most similar to modern Marche (1.4), Lazio (2.2) and Romagna (4.3).
- Early Medieval Latium : most similar to modern Romagna (2.8), Marche (3.3) and Lazio (4.1).
- Late Medieval Latium : most similar to modern Romagna (4.3), Tuscany (4.5) and Emilia (4.8).

Using the 2WAY percentages with the Iron Age populations as sources, we get:

- Late Antiquity Latium : 69.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 31.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) => distance = 1.75
- Early Medieval Latium : 63.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 37.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) => distance = 3.5
- Late Medieval Latium: 51.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 48.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) => distance = 1.27

So the Latium got more Celtic-like and less Greek-like over time between 300 and 1500 CE.

Here are my results using just the Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) components:

https://i.imgur.com/Jpw7pQb.png

Jovialis
23-04-21, 12:56
@Maciamo

https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/ancient_ethnicities_analyzer.shtml

Excellent work on the new information page! I am just seeing it this morning.

Jovialis
23-04-21, 13:09
Here are my results using just the Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) components:

https://i.imgur.com/Jpw7pQb.png

Here are the original Dodecad K12b modern Italian samples using these two components. I actually get the best fit for this combination out of all of them:

https://i.imgur.com/zaYnAiQ.png

Jovialis
23-04-21, 14:08
with Salento vikings included




Distance to:
Torziok12b


5.32530750
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


6.35530487
VK538_Dod_K12b


6.46840011
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


7.93611996
Villanovans_(n=2)


8.83276287
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


9.58380926
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


9.76980041
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


11.45072923
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.79564750
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


13.59802927
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


13.72095113
Latins_(n=4)


14.38534671
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


14.46272104
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


14.51663529
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.19033719
Medieval_Foggia_(n=5)


15.64978594
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


15.88170331
VK536_Dod_K12b


16.26212471
Ostrogoths_(n=3)


17.79364774
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


17.83940302
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)


18.06710824
Imperial_Roman_Marche_(n=2)


18.08538360
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


18.27350267
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


18.80015160
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


19.09991361
VK535_Dod_K12b






Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 1.1308% / 1.13083207 | ADC: 0.25x RC




33.0
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)






31.8
Bronze_Age_Illyrians






28.8
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)






6.4
VK538_Dod_K12b






That makes sense, VK538 matches close to people from your region. He was possibly a Northern Italian migrant to Foggia. They all seem to match up with all different parts of Italy, and one Greco-Anatolian (though genetically, I believe Foca matches more with Greek Islanders) :



Distance to:
VK538_Dod_K12b


4.96578292
Italian_Friuli_VG


7.14699937
Montenegrin


7.32195329
Macedonian


7.48015374
Romanian


7.80994878
Moldovan_South


8.07792052
Italian_Trentino


8.10242556
Italian_Veneto


8.35226915
Bulgarian_West


8.88132873
Italian_Piedmont


8.89524030
Bulgarian_Central





Distance to:
VK537_Dod_K12b


3.86817787
Italian_Apulia


4.69266449
Italian_Sicily


4.75513407
Italian_Abruzzo


5.58225761
Greek_Lemnos


5.79400552
Greek_Athens


5.83847583
Moldovan_Jewish


6.09016420
Greek_Foca


6.09776188
Greek_Central


6.09782748
Italian_Campania


6.13282154
Ashkenazi_Jews





Distance to:
VK536_Dod_K12b


4.17846910
Italian_Marche


5.09452647
Italian_Lazio


5.84702488
Italian_Abruzzo


6.79721266
Italian_Romagna


7.73720234
Italian_Campania


7.93807911
Italian_Sicily


8.38227893
Italian_Apulia


8.90838930
French_Corsica


9.03142846
Greek_Central


9.17369609
Greek_Athens





Distance to:
VK535_Dod_K12b


5.55576277
Italian_Sicily


6.13741802
Italian_Abruzzo


6.87211758
Italian_Apulia


7.38840308
Italian_Campania


8.12213026
Moldovan_Jewish


8.15900729
Greek_Lemnos


8.33353466
Italian_Lazio


8.47961674
Italian_Calabria


8.48138550
Ashkenazi_Jews


8.64601666
Italian_Marche





Distance to:
VK534_Dod_K12b


5.14979611
Greek_Foca


5.17923740
Greek_Izmir


5.55867790
Moldovan_Jewish


5.61911025
Greek_Fournoi


6.14069214
Greek_Lemnos


6.14123766
Ashkenazi_Jews


6.16033278
Italian_Apulia


6.56028201
Greek_Crete


7.00554066
Greek_Athens


7.82819264
Italian_Sicily

Stuvanè
23-04-21, 14:55
With latest updates (including Salento Vikings)



Distance to:
Dodecadk12bStuvanè


2.44000000
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


5.56800682
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


5.98677710
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


7.55611011
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


8.90949494
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


9.05316519
Villanovans_(n=2)


9.86080626
VK538_Dod_K12b


10.02239991
VK536_Dod_K12b


11.05727815
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.97150784
Imperial_Roman_Marche_(n=2)


12.65941547
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


12.74250760
VK537_Dod_K12b


13.59450257
VK535_Dod_K12b


14.29163392
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


15.88332774
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


16.57576846
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


16.98754544
Latins_(n=4)


17.47864983
VK534_Dod_K12b


18.57900428
Western_Scythians_(n=28)


19.17563558
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


19.70430156
EMBA_Greece_(n=6)


20.27443217
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


21.15670816
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


21.25037647
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


21.28523432
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)





2 way mode



Distance to:
Dodecadk12bStuvanè


1.00751716
46.80% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 53.20% Imperial_Roman_Latium_(n=46)


1.21333868
86.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 13.20% Avars_(n=2)


1.31544663
8.00% Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4) + 92.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.33787616
89.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 10.40% Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)


1.38828111
9.20% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8) + 90.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.40308287
8.40% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12) + 91.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.41632842
7.80% Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 92.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.41891825
90.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 10.00% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


1.43379052
8.40% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16) + 91.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.46155456
8.60% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 91.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.48323132
75.60% VK538_Dod_K12b + 24.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


1.51060219
58.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 41.80% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


1.51727246
35.40% VK538_Dod_K12b + 64.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.53056178
7.40% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 92.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.57977958
42.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 58.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.61842251
7.20% Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7) + 92.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.67295690
9.80% Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=8) + 90.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.69980595
12.60% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 87.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.71689479
11.60% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17) + 88.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.75369272
68.40% VK538_Dod_K12b + 31.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


1.78727890
9.60% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 90.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.85385340
6.80% Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4) + 93.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.86953183
11.00% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4) + 89.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


1.87517081
87.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 13.00% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)


1.91828818
10.20% MBA_Andronovo_culture_(n=3) + 89.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)

kingjohn
23-04-21, 16:20
Distance to:
adam


1.62732947
12.40% MBA_Andronovo_culture_(n=3) + 87.60% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


1.70435013
11.80% Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=8) + 88.20% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


1.76028510
13.20% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27) + 86.80% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


1.80257233
13.40% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17) + 86.60% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


1.84609547
13.60% EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18) + 86.40% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


2.05589682
12.60% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4) + 87.40% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


2.09850862
9.60% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3) + 90.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.10746976
25.60% Chalcolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=4) + 74.40% Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


2.15575732
11.20% CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5) + 88.80% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


2.23297559
10.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=7) + 90.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.24471958
9.20% EMBA_Catacomb_culture_(n=4) + 90.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.25933500
88.60% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46) + 11.40% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)


2.29014277
8.00% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3) + 92.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.29093942
77.40% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46) + 22.60% Western_Scythians_(n=28)


2.29801510
13.40% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3) + 86.60% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


2.30020019
9.20% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 90.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


2.30378107
28.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=24) + 72.00% Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


2.37895044
43.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=24) + 56.80% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


2.39388029
12.20% EMBA_Poltavka_culture_(n=8) + 87.80% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


2.40549926
89.20% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46) + 10.80% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)


2.46062004
10.00% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16) + 90.00% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


2.46210138
13.60% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 86.40% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


2.46689399
13.40% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 86.60% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


2.49123012
86.00% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46) + 14.00% Avars_(n=2)


2.50199465
10.20% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12) + 89.80% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)

Duarte
23-04-21, 18:06
Updated data posts #7 and #228

‘Tab’ DISTANCE



Distance to:
Duarte


6.17150711
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.71266713
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.86048341
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.27186764
Latins_(n=4)


12.12435978
Villanovans_(n=2)


13.33091895
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


14.03098001
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


14.05696980
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


14.52055095
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


14.84792915
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


15.13849068
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


15.21667178
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


15.30209790
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.31625933
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


16.25126149
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


16.54298643
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


16.76632041
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


16.97283712
VK538_Dod_K12b


17.46561765
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


18.85846229
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


18.93396947
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


20.69150309
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


20.72670500
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


20.81037962
Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


20.83913626
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)



‘Tab’ SINGLE modes 2P, 3P, 4P, 5P



Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.9308% / 1.93082214 | R5P








35.6
MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)





28.8
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





19.0
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)





12.5
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





4.1
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.7007% / 2.70065754 | R4P



61.5
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)





27.1
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





8.2
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)





3.2
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.2519% / 3.25189654 | R3P



39.2
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





33.5
Ostrogoths_(n=3)





27.3
Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)







Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.6642% / 4.66417136 | R2P



52.4
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)





47.6
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)






‘Tab’ 2WAY



Distance to:
Duarte


4.66417136
47.60% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 52.40% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


4.85328375
49.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 51.00% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.04636530
24.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7) + 76.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.18746490
22.80% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 77.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.19626512
42.80% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 57.20% Ostrogoths_(n=3)


5.42021978
20.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38) + 79.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.51279033
82.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9) + 17.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.55329431
48.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7) + 51.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.63868310
8.20% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.66006917
11.00% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 89.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.66539760
11.80% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=59) + 88.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.67109585
5.80% Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5) + 94.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.73086346
6.00% Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=10) + 94.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.73125619
6.40% Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10) + 93.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.75815472
2.80% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 97.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.77419747
6.80% Middle_Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12) + 93.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78241084
7.40% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=59) + 92.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78342255
6.60% Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13) + 93.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.78479561
6.80% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 93.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.80845669
7.60% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58) + 92.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.81063741
32.40% MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6) + 67.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


5.81619145
6.00% Early_Neolithic_Maghreb_(n=1) + 94.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.81776672
7.20% Neolithic_Britain_(n=62) + 92.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


5.81831970
13.20% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6) + 86.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


5.82309411
8.20% Megalithic_Europe_(n=24) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)

brick
23-04-21, 18:45
https://i.imgur.com/hsTfQct.png

Gauls_Belgae were similar to northern French and Belgians.



Distance to:
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


3.27513359
French_Northeast


3.36928776
French_North


6.04354201
Belgian


7.12039325
Bavarian_German


8.27548790
French_Northwest


8.87670547
English_South


9.12361770
Italian_Aosta_Valley


9.19177350
English


10.24426669
English_North


10.47489379
Dutch


11.00746111
Scottish


11.17647082
Spanish_Baleares


11.36626148
Spanish_Catalonia


11.67295164
Irish


12.00030833
Spanish_Galicia


12.02735216
Italian_Trentino


12.31614794
Spanish_Cantabria


12.71287930
Portuguese


12.77105321
Spanish_Valencia


12.85402661
Spanish_Castilla-Leon


12.93511935
Swiss_Italian


12.97283315
German_Northwest


13.76174044
Spanish_Aragon


14.00625575
Spanish_Andalusia


14.47539637
Icelandic


14.79743221
Italian_Friuli_VG


14.85032660
Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely


14.86095555
German


15.02124828
Spanish_La_Rioja


15.17341425
Hungarian_Transdanubia_Budapest


15.57698944
Danish


15.60496716
Italian_Piedmont


15.61843462
Hungarian


15.62655432
Spanish_Canarias


15.79226710
French_Southwest


15.91934986
Italian_Veneto


15.96793036
Slovenian


16.03879983
Spanish_Asturias


16.13017979
Hungarian_Alfold


16.82593237
Italian_Lombardy


17.29393824
Swedish


17.34651550
Czech


17.37266243
Hungarian_North


17.39517749
Croat


17.47359150
Serb


18.29234813
Montenegrin


18.51457264
Bosnian


19.12355354
Italian_Liguria


19.26440240
Moldovan_Central


19.79404961
Macedonian


19.89611771
Romanian


19.91964357
Italian_Emilia


19.92098642
Slovak


20.10846339
Moldovan_North


20.56818174
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk


20.68462472
Moldovan_South


21.35327610
Bulgarian_West


21.63510573
Italian_Tuscany


22.23124153
Bulgarian_Central


22.35721807
Sorb_Lusatia


22.56263504
Pomak_Bulgaria


22.64237620
Spanish_Basque


23.49864251
Greek_Macedonia


23.60112497
Moldovan_Gagauz


23.62294012
Albanian_Kosovo





Italian_Greeks were similar to Southern Italians from Calabria and to a lesser extent to Greek Islanders.



Distance to:
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.72985549
Italian_Calabria


3.93148827
Ashkenazi_Jews


4.19735631
Italian_Campania


4.64249933
Greek_Fournoi


4.70212718
Italian_Sicily


4.87755061
Moldovan_Jewish


5.23575209
Italian_Jews


5.39548886
Greek_Icaria


5.55410659
Greek_Crete


5.72305862
Greek_Kos


5.78000865
Greek_Izmir


6.19436034
Greek_Rhodes


6.72196400
Sephardic_Jews


7.22768289
Italian_Abruzzo


7.36824945
Italian_Apulia


7.62758809
Greek_Lemnos


8.60718305
Greek_Foca


10.39280520
Morocco_Jews


10.66021107
Turk_Cyprus


10.66674271
Greek_Athens


11.06855908
Greek_Central


12.81808036
Italian_Marche


13.10058014
Greek_Cypriot


13.17385669
Italian_Lazio


13.20435913
Greek_Peloponnese


15.09033797
Albanian


15.69383956
Greek_Cappadocia


15.76718111
Greek_Thrace


15.98947466
Greek_Thessaloniki


16.33869640
Italian_Romagna


16.35213136
Turk_West_BlackSea


16.42134891
Greek_Thessaly


17.26822226
Turk_Central_West


17.38638835
Nusayri_Turkey


17.64441838
Bulgarian_Thrace

brick
23-04-21, 18:56
I made a two-way model (Dodecad K12b) for modern Italians: Iron Age Italy and Italian Greeks. Iron Age Italy is the combination of all Iron Age samples from Italy (Latins, Etruscans, Villanovans). For some regions (e.g. Friuli, Trentino, Aosta) this two-way model does not work well.


Italian_Friuli_VG

8.63834693 96.20% Iron_Age_Italy_(n=9) + 3.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


Italian_Trentino

9.81171221 83.80% Iron_Age_Italy_(n=9) + 16.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


Italian_Aosta_Valley

9.67365724 94.00% Iron_Age_Italy_(n=9) + 6.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


Italian_Veneto

5.64463343 95.20% Iron_Age_Italy_(n=9) + 4.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


Italian_Lombardy

2.74327779 97.00% Iron_Age_Italy_(n=9) + 3.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


Italian_Piedmont

5.01524145 96.60% Iron_Age_Italy_(n=9) + 3.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


Italian_Liguria

2.93306853 85.60% Iron_Age_Italy_(n=9) + 14.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


Italian_Emilia

3.24133432 82.40% Iron_Age_Italy_(n=9) + 17.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


Italian_Romagna

2.96459059 63.60% Iron_Age_Italy_(n=9) + 36.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


Italian_Tuscany

2.98115887 75.40% Iron_Age_Italy_(n=9) + 24.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


Italian_Marche

2.44168786 49.80% Iron_Age_Italy_(n=9) + 50.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


Italian_Lazio

3.91432277 49.80% Iron_Age_Italy_(n=9) + 50.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


Italian_Abruzzo

2.95584812 26.20% Iron_Age_Italy_(n=9) + 73.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


Italian_Campania

1.38228087 15.80% Iron_Age_Italy_(n=9) + 84.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


Italian_Apulia

5.36190973 20.00% Iron_Age_Italy_(n=9) + 80.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


Italian_Calabria

1.48756179 3.60% Iron_Age_Italy_(n=9) + 96.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


Italian_Sicily

3.07384805 14.60% Iron_Age_Italy_(n=9) + 85.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)

torzio
23-04-21, 19:09
That makes sense, VK538 matches close to people from your region. He was possibly a Northern Italian migrant to Foggia. They all seem to match up with all different parts of Italy, and one Greco-Anatolian (though genetically, I believe Foca matches more with Greek Islanders) :



Distance to:
VK538_Dod_K12b


4.96578292
Italian_Friuli_VG


7.14699937
Montenegrin


7.32195329
Macedonian


7.48015374
Romanian


7.80994878
Moldovan_South


8.07792052
Italian_Trentino


8.10242556
Italian_Veneto


8.35226915
Bulgarian_West


8.88132873
Italian_Piedmont


8.89524030
Bulgarian_Central





Distance to:
VK537_Dod_K12b


3.86817787
Italian_Apulia


4.69266449
Italian_Sicily


4.75513407
Italian_Abruzzo


5.58225761
Greek_Lemnos


5.79400552
Greek_Athens


5.83847583
Moldovan_Jewish


6.09016420
Greek_Foca


6.09776188
Greek_Central


6.09782748
Italian_Campania


6.13282154
Ashkenazi_Jews





Distance to:
VK536_Dod_K12b


4.17846910
Italian_Marche


5.09452647
Italian_Lazio


5.84702488
Italian_Abruzzo


6.79721266
Italian_Romagna


7.73720234
Italian_Campania


7.93807911
Italian_Sicily


8.38227893
Italian_Apulia


8.90838930
French_Corsica


9.03142846
Greek_Central


9.17369609
Greek_Athens





Distance to:
VK535_Dod_K12b


5.55576277
Italian_Sicily


6.13741802
Italian_Abruzzo


6.87211758
Italian_Apulia


7.38840308
Italian_Campania


8.12213026
Moldovan_Jewish


8.15900729
Greek_Lemnos


8.33353466
Italian_Lazio


8.47961674
Italian_Calabria


8.48138550
Ashkenazi_Jews


8.64601666
Italian_Marche





Distance to:
VK534_Dod_K12b


5.14979611
Greek_Foca


5.17923740
Greek_Izmir


5.55867790
Moldovan_Jewish


5.61911025
Greek_Fournoi


6.14069214
Greek_Lemnos


6.14123766
Ashkenazi_Jews


6.16033278
Italian_Apulia


6.56028201
Greek_Crete


7.00554066
Greek_Athens


7.82819264
Italian_Sicily





thanks ......I thought so as you commented

to conclude ...............in all of these tests in this thread, conclusion is that Illyrians and bronze-age hungarians match and are the same people ...........and they cam via central europe and that these "foggia" vikings came from same area, some moving north to scandinavia and others south into the balkans and italy

Maciamo
23-04-21, 21:18
I have added the 6th-century samples from Collegno, Piedmont from the Lombard study.

Using all samples (Italians, Lombards and mixed), the closest modern populations are Friuli (6.3), Trentino (7.2) and Aosta Valley (7.9).

Taking into account only samples that seemed to be Italian with no Germanic ancestry, the closest populations are Abruzzo (4.0), Marche (5.8), Lazio, Campania and Sicily (all three around 6.0).

Jovialis
23-04-21, 22:09
^^Great update!

Here are my results, I get a good fit with the 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7) cohort:

https://i.imgur.com/GFLmG7J.png

Duarte
23-04-21, 22:30
Update #242



Distance to:
Duarte


6.17150711
Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


6.71266713
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


10.86048341
Etruscans_(n=3)


11.27186764
Latins_(n=4)


12.12435978
Villanovans_(n=2)


13.33091895
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)


14.03098001
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


14.05696980
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


14.52055095
Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


14.84792915
Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


15.04884381
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


15.13849068
Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)


15.21667178
Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


15.30209790
Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


15.31625933
Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


16.25126149
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)


16.54298643
Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)


16.76632041
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


17.46561765
Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)


18.85846229
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


18.93396947
Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)


20.69150309
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)


20.72670500
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


20.81037962
Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


20.83913626
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)

torzio
23-04-21, 23:57
With info from post 242 added...mine is




Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 1.0953% / 1.09528753 | ADC: 0.25x RC





33.0

Bronze_Age_Illyrians






27.4
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)






22.7
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)






16.9

6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)














Distance to:
Torziok12b


5.32530750
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


6.19887086
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)


6.46840011
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


7.93611996
Villanovans_(n=2)


8.83276287
Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)

Jovialis
24-04-21, 00:31
^^Great update!

Here are my results, I get a good fit with the 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7) cohort:

https://i.imgur.com/GFLmG7J.png

PCA with the new additions for Italy:

https://i.imgur.com/WcOlOwx.png

Palermo Trapani
24-04-21, 00:35
Updates from Maciamo post #242.



Distance to:
PalermoTrapani_Combined


3.68146710
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


4.53751033
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


6.36689877
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


6.83698764
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


7.26249957
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


9.26208940
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


10.19573931
EMBA_Greece_(n=6)


10.67402923
Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


12.65821867
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


13.66139085
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


17.50304259
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


17.97204496
Etruscans_(n=3)


18.78715785
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


19.21764814
Villanovans_(n=2)


19.47868835
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7)


19.82548864
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


20.30116992
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


20.65298526
Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)


20.75404539
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2)


20.80088940
Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


20.96465359
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


21.32149151
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)


21.65835174
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


23.41742941
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=8)


23.99095455
Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6)








Distance to:
PalermoTrapani_Combined


1.29635535
12.40% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15) + 87.60% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.34711932
37.20% Etruscans_(n=3) + 62.80% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


1.47263743
70.00% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46) + 30.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


1.52103949
76.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 23.60% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


1.68356643
78.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 21.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


1.68535366
21.60% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 78.40% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


1.70103503
17.20% MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6) + 82.80% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


1.73156316
67.20% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46) + 32.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


1.73926973
6.60% Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6) + 93.40% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


1.79832498
15.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7) + 85.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.86990984
43.40% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 56.60% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


1.87882759
14.80% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 85.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


1.93276489
73.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 26.80% Etruscans_(n=3)


1.93685948
36.60% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46) + 63.40% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


1.95239942
49.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=24) + 51.00% Latins_(n=4)


1.98124270
23.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 76.80% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


2.04416652
19.00% Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6) + 81.00% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


2.06501846
39.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=24) + 60.40% Etruscans_(n=3)


2.06555158
21.80% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38) + 78.20% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


2.06923576
48.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 52.00% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


2.09155085
44.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 56.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


2.09986582
22.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7) + 78.00% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


2.12734473
16.40% Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9) + 83.60% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


2.13023398
46.80% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 53.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


2.17237856
14.80% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38) + 85.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)

italouruguayan
24-04-21, 01:13
New updates...


Distance to: italouruguayan


11.56324781 Western_Scythians_(n=28)
13.80911655 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
14.69083047 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
16.23768764 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
16.25998155 Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)
16.91561409 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
17.20738795 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
17.22619517 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
17.28995084 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
17.89198424 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
18.33555017 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
18.58682060 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
19.14316327 Villanovans_(n=2)
19.72882916 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
19.86298819 Etruscans_(n=3)
20.81990874 Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)
21.62285365 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
21.86751929 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)
21.87160488 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
21.99280109 Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
22.57669816 Cimmerians_(n=6)
22.99249008 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
23.87470209 Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)
24.40309612 Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
24.58744802 Latins_(n=4)
25.13049741 Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
25.24729094 Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)
25.33739134 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
26.52373842 Iron_Age_Kangju_(n=4)
26.82286897 Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
27.12488894 Roman_Britain_(n=8)
27.15390580 Lombards_(n=28)
27.68604522 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)

Northener
24-04-21, 10:24
Late Antique and Middle Ages

https://i.postimg.cc/QxdhmSrT/Schermafbeelding-2021-04-24-om-10-20-12.png (https://postimages.org/)

Clearly Lombardic which is a such a NW Germanic population so makes sense imo.

In the earlier past the results are more blurred imo....

Jovialis
24-04-21, 13:13
I have added the 6th-century samples from Collegno, Piedmont from the Lombard study.

Using all samples (Italians, Lombards and mixed), the closest modern populations are Friuli (6.3), Trentino (7.2) and Aosta Valley (7.9).

Taking into account only samples that seemed to be Italian with no Germanic ancestry, the closest populations are Abruzzo (4.0), Marche (5.8), Lazio, Campania and Sicily (all three around 6.0).

This sample is also extremely close to Imperial-Age_Marche_(n=2).

As well as pretty close to the Iron Age R437:



Distance to:
C6_Iron_Age_Mediterranean:R437_(Latin_Prenestini_T ribe_o)_Palestrina_Selicata


5.31416974
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


6.72588284
EMBA_Greece_(n=6)


6.90958754
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


7.04519695
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


8.27300429
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


8.83409871
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)


10.38617832
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


10.40333120
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


10.92016026
Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


15.54221992
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


16.33827714
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7)


16.75771763
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)


17.52457132
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)


17.57787530
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)


18.16961750
Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)


18.19599956
Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


18.28769805
Bronze_Age_Illyrians


18.51004592
Etruscans_(n=3)


18.79689868
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)


19.54934782
Villanovans_(n=2)


20.24499444
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=8)


20.83053768
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)


21.05738825
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2)


21.74766884
LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8)


22.59695776
Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6)




These samples exist within the light-blue cohort labeled C6.

Rather than attributing it totally to Greeks, could it be possible that this is indicative of a native pre-Italic ancestry?

https://i.imgur.com/9PrZLOH.jpg