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kingjohn
05-09-21, 09:11
It cost me 10 euro:smile:
Look like suprvised admixture
World regions based on shared allells:cool-v:
https://www.geneplaza.com/
REGION POPULATION

Mediterranean
43.59%
Mediteranean-Western (Spanish)
30.19%
Mediteranean-Eastern (Greeks, Albanians, Kosovo)
13.4%

West-Asia & North-Africa
34.62%
Asian-West2 (Iraqi Jews)
19.7%
Asian-Southwest (Bedouin B, Saudi)
7.91%
Asian-West1 (Georgians)
7.32%
African-North (Mozabite)
0.3%

Europe
15.15%
Slavic-Eastern (Belarusians, Ukrainians)
15.15%
European-West (Basque)
0%
Scandanavian (Swedes)
0%
European-Northwest (Scott, French, English)
0%
Baltic (Latvian, Estonian, Lithuanian)
0%
Slavic-Southern (Bosnian, Serbian, Montenegrin)
0%

Central-Asia
1.97%
Asian-Central-West2 (Turkmens)
1.97%
Asian-Central-East3 (Uyghur)
0%
Asian-Central-East2 (Kyrgis)
0%
Asian-Central-East1 (Tajikistani Tajiks)
0%
Asian-Central-West1 (Bashkirs)
0%

Siberia & America
0%
Native-American-C (Mayans, Mixe)
0%
Native-American-S (Karitiana, Surui, & Quechua)
0%
Polar (Aleutians, Eskimos)
0%
Siberian-East (Yakut)
0%
Siberian-Central (Nganasan)
0%
Siberian-West (Mansi)
0%

Africa
0%
African-West (Esan, Gambian, Yoruba)
0%
African-East (Hadza, Luhya, Luo)
0%

East-Asia
0%
Asian-Southeast (Burmese, Cambodian)
0%
Asian-East (Han, She, Tu)
0%

Australians, Papuans
0%
Australians, Papuans
0%

South-Asia
4.62%
Asian-Southcentral (Brahui)
4.62%
Asian-South (Gujarati C & D)
0%


forget the map ( don't know why they put iraqi jews in crimea instead of iraq)

https://i.imgur.com/VIzKgOg.png




P.s
Except for the spanish look logic
In k29 there was sicilian reference( i scored 36%) which is
Not in k30 i assume most of those allells moved to the spanish:thinking:

Stuvanè
05-09-21, 14:34
Curiosity satisfied and test done.
I'm not sure I fully understand how it works.
I get this grid with the following values.


https://scontent.flin1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/241459416_1012363399514645_7112651524123135561_n.p ng?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=K1WSSW-cKzoAX-Zpj3w&_nc_ht=scontent.flin1-2.fna&oh=e9d8ccbf154f7be9ef5ae9b72233cf01&oe=615AECC1

Moving the cursor over the circular graph I see other values and components merged differently (are these other possible oracles?)


Inner ring
- 53.65% Europe
- 46.2% Mediterranean
- 0.25% Siberia & America


Outer ring
- 20.1% Scadanavian (Swedes)
- 19.43% European North-West (Scott, French, English)
- 14.1% Slavic Eastern (Belarusian, Ukrainians)
- 40.7% Mediterranean - Western (Spanish)
- 5.94% Mediterranean - Eastern (Greeks, Albanians, Kosovo)
-0.25% Native Americans-S (Karitiana, Surui & Quechua)


Overall it seems to me that it reports some pretty similar results to Dodecad k7b, Familytree, Adntro and DNA.Land.
What perplexes me is the absence of an Italian reference population, assuming that they are always the result of admixture from other groups...

kingjohn
05-09-21, 14:43
The outer ring is a sample results
Of a random european ignore it
Look at the values to me it look logic
In your case the east med ( greeks albanians kosovo) + west med ( spanish )
Is maybe your southern european admixture
The (swede +basque) is your northern influence
As a north italian...:thinking:
The georgian could be west asian admixture
Like chg or iran neolithic to some extent:thinking:

P.s
I agree it would be better if there was
Italian reference
But as you say they are themselfs mixed
For 10 euro i say fair...
It look to me like dna tribes from back in the day:cool-v:

Vallicanus
05-09-21, 15:18
Just one quibble.
"Mediterranean-Eastern" and "Mediterranean-Western" are shown as separate categories but should come under the "Europe" heading.

Archetype0ne
05-09-21, 18:37
Member when the Balkans was considered old Europe...

https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/8961ca5d780f2c8a599f01464edf009c.jpg

Duarte
05-09-21, 18:40
Curiosity satisfied and test done.
I'm not sure I fully understand how it works.
I get this grid with the following values.


https://scontent.flin1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/241459416_1012363399514645_7112651524123135561_n.p ng?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=K1WSSW-cKzoAX-Zpj3w&_nc_ht=scontent.flin1-2.fna&oh=e9d8ccbf154f7be9ef5ae9b72233cf01&oe=615AECC1

Moving the cursor over the circular graph I see other values and components merged differently (are these other possible oracles?)


Inner ring
- 53.65% Europe
- 46.2% Mediterranean
- 0.25% Siberia & America


Outer ring
- 20.1% Scadanavian (Swedes)
- 19.43% European North-West (Scott, French, English)
- 14.1% Slavic Eastern (Belarusian, Ukrainians)
- 40.7% Mediterranean - Western (Spanish)
- 5.94% Mediterranean - Eastern (Greeks, Albanians, Kosovo)
-0.25% Native Americans-S (Karitiana, Surui & Quechua)


Overall it seems to me that it reports some pretty similar results to Dodecad k7b, Familytree, Adntro and DNA.Land.
What perplexes me is the absence of an Italian reference population, assuming that they are always the result of admixture from other groups...

My pie chart is totally wrong on both PC as smartphone. On the PC the displayed results spreadsheet, that I post below, has some logic but the spreadsheet that is displayed on the smartphone and the respective pie chart has no logic at all. Imagine me, 20.1% Swedish, 19.43% English and 14.1% Slavic. lol

PC spreadsheet:

https://i.imgur.com/EIjoIPj.png

Smartphone Spreadsheet and pie chart

https://i.imgur.com/gookrdF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5QQt3WA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wjj66gv.jpg

kingjohn
05-09-21, 18:47
My pie chart is totally wrong on both PC as ******. On the PC the displayed results spreadsheet, that I post below, has some logic but the spreadsheet that is displayed on the ****** and the respective pie chart has no logic at all. Imagine me, 20.1% Swedish, 19.43% English and 14.1% Slavic. lol
PC spreadsheet:
https://i.imgur.com/EIjoIPj.png
****** Spreadsheet and pie chart
https://i.imgur.com/gookrdF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5QQt3WA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wjj66gv.jpg
Great results :cool-v:
Look at your pc chart this the real:thinking:
Very much inline with your ancestery
High spanish ( inline with portuguase ancestery)
The (sweedes+ british) shared celtic or northern genes
The small % (african + amerindian) could be
Admixture in white brazilians
Cool results and thanks for sharing :good_job:

P.s
Personally for me the 4 % barhui
I score could be some eastern element
In my syrian jew grandfather...
Maybe also the 19% iraqi jew i score...
Maybe this can recognize componrnts better than my origins 3.0:thinking:

Duarte
05-09-21, 23:09
Great results :cool-v:
Look at your pc chart this the real:thinking:
Very much inline with your ancestery
High spanish ( inline with portuguase ancestery)
The (sweedes+ british) shared celtic or northern genes
The small % (african + amerindian) could be
Admixture in white brazilians
Cool results and thanks for sharing :good_job:
P.s
Personally for me the 4 % barhui
I score could be some eastern element
In my syrian jew grandfather...
Maybe also the 19% iraqi jew i score...
Maybe this can recognize componrnts better than my origins 3.0:thinking:

Thanks :good_job: You are always welcome Kingjohn. There is a bug in the app that needs to be fixed. On the PC the pie chart displayed is those given as an example of the result ("PREVIEW APP - These are not your results, but those from a random sample!") and is by this the results on pie chart differ from the spreadsheet. On PC, supposily, the results on speadsheet are the correct. By other hand, On the smartphone the client results are not displayed, or that is, instead of my sample, the result of the random sample (example sample) is displayed. See a screenshot of the app for sale showing the randon sample.

https://i.imgur.com/SnZ0d3Q.png

kingjohn
06-09-21, 01:04
Thanks :good_job: You are always welcome Kingjohn. There is a bug in the app that needs to be fixed. On the PC the pie chart displayed is those given as an example of the result ("PREVIEW APP - These are not your results, but those from a random sample!") and is by this the results on pie chart differ from the spreadsheet. On PC, supposily, the results on speadsheet are the correct. By other hand, On the smartphone the client results are not displayed, or that is, instead of my sample, the result of the random sample (example sample) is displayed. See a screenshot of the app for sale showing the randon sample.
https://i.imgur.com/SnZ0d3Q.png

Yes there is a confusion:smile:
The ones with 62.84% iberian is yours:cool-v:

kingjohn
24-09-21, 15:36
full cretan ( dont know from where in crete )

Population
Mediterranean
68.19%
Mediteranean-Eastern (Greeks, Albanians, Kosovo)
45.4%
Mediteranean-Western (Spanish)
23.15%
West-Asia & North-Africa
28.25%
Asian-West2 (Iraqi Jews)
8.69%
Asian-West1 (Georgians)
8.35%
Asian-Southwest (Bedouin B, Saudi)
7.88%
African-North (Mozabite)
3.32%
Central-Asia
3.53%
Asian-Central-West1 (Bashkirs)
3.21%
Asian-Central-West2 (Turkmens)
0.31%
Asian-Central-East1 (Tajikistani Tajiks)
0%
Asian-Central-East2 (Kyrgis)
0%
Asian-Central-East3 (Uyghur)
0%
Europe
0%
Slavic-Eastern (Belarusians, Ukrainians)
0%
Slavic-Southern (Bosnian, Serbian, Montenegrin)
0%
Baltic (Latvian, Estonian, Lithuanian)
0%
European-Northwest (Scott, French, English)
0%
European-West (Basque)
0%
Scandanavian (Swedes)
0%
Siberia & America
0%
Siberian-West (Mansi)
0%
Siberian-Central (Nganasan)
0%
Siberian-East (Yakut)
0%
Polar (Aleutians, Eskimos)
0%
Native-American-S (Karitiana, Surui, & Quechua)
0%
Native-American-C (Mayans, Mixe)
0%
East-Asia
0%
Asian-East (Han, She, Tu)
0%
Asian-Southeast (Burmese, Cambodian)
0%
Africa
0%
African-East (Hadza, Luhya, Luo)
0%
African-West (Esan, Gambian, Yoruba)
0%
South-Asia
0%
Asian-Southcentral (Brahui)
0%
Asian-South (Gujarati C & D)
0%
Australians, Papuans
0%
Australians, Papuans
0%

Angela
24-09-21, 16:25
Sorry to say, but I'm no longer much interested in modeling using strictly modern populations anymore.

We know at the outset that this model is incorrect from the Limes paper we've been discussing, because we know that modern Cretans have 14% Slavic ancestry.

What would be interesting, given that we have ancient samples from Crete, and ancient samples from Anatolia and also the Levant in the Iron Age, is to try modeling them with those samples, and then see if we need additional Imperial Era or post Imperial Era gene flow.

kingjohn
24-09-21, 16:39
Sorry to say, but I'm no longer much interested in modeling using strictly modern populations anymore.

We know at the outset that this model is incorrect from the Limes paper we've been discussing, because we know that modern Cretans have 14% Slavic ancestry.

What would be interesting, given that we have ancient samples from Crete, and ancient samples from Anatolia and also the Levant in the Iron Age, is to try modeling them with those samples, and then see if we need additional Imperial Era or post Imperial Era gene flow.



but i like dilwer khan calculators
i paid almost to all his calculators in geneplazza
i respect him very much :good_job:
and overall i think my results are logic
and so does this cretan results above
it is very likely that the slavic allells are hiding in his high greek albanian component
in this calculator :cool-v:about using ancient populations agree that should be more presice
but i can't help here because i don't know
how to use nmonte and qpAdm tools :sad-2:
the experts in anthrogenica know
and maybe some other members here :thinking:

Archetype0ne
27-09-21, 01:45
Sorry to say, but I'm no longer much interested in modeling using strictly modern populations anymore.

We know at the outset that this model is incorrect from the Limes paper we've been discussing, because we know that modern Cretans have 14% Slavic ancestry.

What would be interesting, given that we have ancient samples from Crete, and ancient samples from Anatolia and also the Levant in the Iron Age, is to try modeling them with those samples, and then see if we need additional Imperial Era or post Imperial Era gene flow.

Angela please make some inbox space. Really want to pick your brain on something curious.