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G2aDude
01-04-22, 01:53
According to these samples, G2a there from near the Gobekli Tepe area to Catalhoyuk and most early cities, to the Uruk/Ubaid. Additionally we were found in the Kura-Araxes.

What is the likelihood that the pre-Semitic Sumerians were an ethnolinguistic isolate G2a culture originating in the Caucasus?

(Search "Ancient G-M201s with sequencing" on Google as I can't post yet as a Noob)

firetown
01-04-22, 02:13
According to these samples, G2a there from near the Gobekli Tepe area to Catalhoyuk and most early cities, to the Uruk/Ubaid. Additionally we were found in the Kura-Araxes.

What is the likelihood that the pre-Semitic Sumerians were an ethnolinguistic isolate G2a culture originating in the Caucasus?

(Search "Ancient G-M201s with sequencing" on Google as I can't post yet as a Noob)
This one?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zs0UFYFHAwLTZu4mjm-nsylHxdkUzIWAT1VX4aWxMtk/edit#gid=700732718

G2aDude
01-04-22, 02:26
Yes thank you, friend.

sharenorth
10-06-22, 16:33
Haplogroup G (M201) is a Y-chromosome haplogroup found in humans. It is one of two haplogroups that make up GHIJK, being the other HIJK. G-M201 is most frequent among national people in Georgia; it is also found at greater levels among numerous other local and minority communities in the Caucasus, such as the Ossetians. G-M201 is also extensively distributed among ethnic groups in Europe, South Asia, Central Asia, and North Africa at low frequencies. For the genesis of G-M201, several dates and places have been postulated, most of them in Western Asia. Statistics estimate that the geographical origin of haplogroup G is likely locates somewhere close to eastern Anatolia, Armenia, or western Iran," according to a 2012 article by Siiri Rootsi et al. The National Geographic Society previously dated the haplogroup's beginnings to 30,000 years ago in the Middle East, assuming that people possessing the haplogroup were involved in the Neolithic's expansion. Two scholarly articles have also proposed a Middle Eastern origin, however, they disagree on the period. 17,000 years ago, according to Semino et al. (2000). Cinnioglu et al. (2004) estimated that the mutation occurred 9,500 years ago. A further eastern origin has also been claimed, with some speculating that it originated around the Himalayan foothills.

G2aDude
08-07-22, 01:04
I would like to bump this thread.

The only other potential candidates for the creators of Gobekli Tepe are Haplogroup T.

The mtDNA of the Middle East prior to Semitization was largely X and K both of which are found with G2a elsewhere. Druze females are known to harbor a metric ton of X.

It seems there is no other viable candidate for the pre-Semitic Sumerians.

Additionally, the language of suspected G2a areas is often thrown into the Dene-Caucasian category with other outliers like Minoan, Basque, and Etruscan all of which are decent candidates for Neolithic DNA preservation into the Iron Age.

(Sumerian Creation Myth - Kur (foreign mountain), and the concept of the ziggurat (holy mountain) being the bulwark against god induced floods. We see a similar motif with the Old Kingdom Egyptians. Zisudra (Sumerian Noah) survives the flood and then descends from a mountain in Kurdistan to Mesopotamia and founds the first cities with the help of the gods.

What is the possibility that G2a created Gobekli Tepe and invented agriculture and then spread to the Caucasus Mountains before getting cut off by other haplogroups only to descend from the Caucasus Mountains to Mesoptamia after a bottleneck event, encountering indigenous J1 Marsh Arabs and nomadic J2 tribes, to create the first Sumerian civilizations (as per their own myth)?

Niceguy12
25-07-22, 00:28
Nice topic

Niceguy12
25-07-22, 00:30
Fascinating