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Misanthropos
06-05-22, 17:22
Hi, I live in south italy. Can you help me? (sorry for my english)
my paternal Y DNA is P77 (T), most sites write that this clade is jewish, and that the total evolution of this haplogroup happened in levant/arabia.
Eupedia say that P77 (T1a1a1a1) probably was born in caucasus (Kura araxes culture).
what was the migration path of my ancestor? my hypothesis from the clade T1a1a1a1:
Caucasus -> Anatolia -> Greece -> South italy.
that's not only for history reasons, but, also because my admixture is the same of an Italian-greek (k12b).
I'm wrong?

torzio
06-05-22, 19:03
Hi, I live in south italy. Can you help me? (sorry for my english)
my paternal Y DNA is P77 (T), most sites write that this clade is jewish, and that the total evolution of this haplogroup happened in levant/arabia.
Eupedia say that P77 (T1a1a1a1) probably was born in caucasus (Kura araxes culture).
what was the migration path of my ancestor? my hypothesis from the clade T1a1a1a1:
Caucasus -> Anatolia -> Greece -> South italy.
that's not only for history reasons, but, also because my admixture is the same of an Italian-greek (k12b).
I'm wrong?


do you have other snp apart from p77 ?

check this site out
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T-L206_(Y-DNA)

Misanthropos
06-05-22, 19:19
mi risulta CTS2214 e L62, ma credo siano predecessori di P77

torzio
06-05-22, 19:29
mi risulta CTS2214 e L62, ma credo siano predecessori di P77

Ok....

we have many of these , from the Levant to north Spain to Atlantic coast Morocco

here below are the oldest that I found..............origin, Black sea Georgia lands

Peqi'in Cave ( 6150 yBP - Late Chalcolithic )

I1155
Y-DNA: T1a1a1a-CTS2214 (xY15711,, Y21017, Y3782, Y9102, Z709)
mtDNA: K1a
Sample: Petrous
Coverage: 0.09
Other IDs: CHPK021 / S1155.E1.L1
Files: FASTQ / FASTQ&BAM (galaxy) / BAM

I1160
Y-DNA: T1a1a1a-CTS2214 (xY15711,, Y21017, Y3782, Y9102, Z709)
mtDNA: N1a1b
Sample: Petrous
Coverage: 308
Other IDs: CHPKL101B-005, CHPKL101B-011 / S1160.E1.L1, S1161.E1.L1
Files: FASTQ / FASTQ&BAM (galaxy) / BAM

I1165
Y-DNA: T1a1a1a-CTS2214 (xY15711,, Y21017, Y3782, Y9102, Z709)
mtDNA: HV1a’b’c’
Sample: Petrous
Coverage: 0.95
Other IDs: CHPKL104-004 / S1165.E1.L1
Files: FASTQ / FASTQ&BAM (galaxy) / BAM

I1166
Y-DNA: T1a1a1a-CTS2214 (xY15711,, Y21017, Y3782, Y9102, Z709)
mtDNA: H
Sample: Petrous
Coverage: 0.981
Other IDs: CHPKL104-014, CHPKL104-026 / S1166.E1.L1 / S1167.E1.L1
Files: FASTQ / FASTQ&BAM (galaxy) / BAM

I1170
Y-DNA: T1a1a1a-CTS2214 (xY15711,, Y21017, Y3782, Y9102, Z709)
mtDNA: T1a2
Sample: Petrous
Coverage: 0.67
Other IDs: CHPKL105-030 / S1170.E1.L1
Files: FASTQ / FASTQ&BAM (galaxy) / BAM

I1172
Y-DNA: T1a1a1a-CTS2214 (xY15711,, Y21017, Y3782, Y9102, Z709)
mtDNA: K1a
Sample: Petrous
Coverage: 0.12
Other IDs: CHPKL108B-024 / S1172.E1.L1
Files: FASTQ / FASTQ&BAM (galaxy) / BAM

I1178
Y-DNA: T1a1a1a-CTS2214 (xY15711,, Y21017, Y3782, Y9102, Z709)
mtDNA: I6
Sample: Petrous
Coverage: 2.56
Other IDs: CHPKL109L-015 / S1178.E1.L1
Files: FASTQ / FASTQ&BAM (galaxy) / BAM

I1180
Y-DNA: T1a1a1a-CTS2214 (xY15711,, Y21017, Y3782, Y9102, Z709)
mtDNA: T
Sample: Petrous
Coverage: 0.09
Other IDs: CHPKL109M-028 / S1180.E1.L1
Files: FASTQ / FASTQ&BAM (galaxy) / BAM

I1187
Y-DNA: T1a1a1a-CTS2214 (xY15711,, Y21017, Y3782, Y9102, Z709)
mtDNA: U6d
Sample: Petrous
Coverage: 0.12
Other IDs: CHPKL301N-001 / Library S1187.E1.L1
Other IDs: CHPKL109M-028 / S1180.E1.L1
Files: FASTQ / FASTQ&BAM (galaxy) / BAM

Peqi'in Cave atDNA notes: Northern origin. They also carry the WHG G allele for Blue eyes at Rs12913832.

Salento
06-05-22, 23:52
mi risulta CTS2214 e L62, ma credo siano predecessori di P77

@Misanthropos … I’m T1a2…, uguale a Torzio , … da che Regione vieni? … quale compagnia hai usato per il test? … Noi y T siamo pochi ma Buoni :)

…. I asked what region he is from and what company he used. … We are few but we are Mighty!

torzio
07-05-22, 00:32
@Misanthropos … I’m T1a2…, uguale a Torzio , … da che Regione vieni? … quale compagnia hai usato per il test? … Noi y T siamo pochi ma Buoni :)

…. I asked what region he is from and what company he used. … We are few but we are Mighty!


CTS2214 is huge

what does he mean by L62

there are 7 ancient in sardinia

modern...one each in yfull
Rome
Pesaro
A'quila and Chieti

torzio
07-05-22, 00:34
A'quila has always had many T ydna people

macro-haplogroup LT is 30% in L'Aquila population. This was the land of Samnium inhabited by the Caraceni

torzio
07-05-22, 00:36
pochi ma Buoni
brings back memories of a shop I used to have breakfast in Treviso, next to old empty MacDonalds...........lol

Salento
07-05-22, 01:04
A'quila has always had many T ydna people
macro-haplogroup LT is 30% in L'Aquila population. This was the land of Samnium inhabited by the Caraceni
… he chose Italiotai as ethnic group, … that’s Magna Graecia, … I think.

torzio
07-05-22, 01:15
… he chose Italiotai as ethnic group, … that’s Magna Graecia, … I think.


he could be your sworn ancient enemy......a Spartan from Taranto

Salento
07-05-22, 01:21
… LOL … lol :)

Misanthropos
08-05-22, 17:48
sono calabrese, ma non mi avete detto se la mia ipotesi è possibile..

Salento
08-05-22, 18:40
sono calabrese, ma non mi avete detto se la mia ipotesi è possibile..

…It’s possible, maybe some, … but if all Ts came from Anatolia, I would think there would be more Ts around today, in a similar percentage as other Haplogroups that were in Anatolia, but we are not.

È possible che alcuni T erano in Anatolia, ma non tutti, perché se fosse il caso, il numero dei T dovrebbe essere più o meno alto come gli altri aplogruppi, ma non lo è.

torzio
08-05-22, 19:07
…It’s possible, maybe some, … but if all Ts came from Anatolia, I would think there would be more Ts around today, in a similar percentage as other Haplogroups that were in Anatolia, but we are not.

È possible che alcuni T erano in Anatolia, ma non tutti, perché se fosse il caso, il numero dei T dovrebbe essere più o meno alto come gli altri aplogruppi, ma non lo è.


maybe this old map of 6 years ago....will aid him

blue is now T1a1 and red is now T1a2

https://i.postimg.cc/g0yHnCH5/old-T-ydna.png (https://postimg.cc/XZJCPDhc)