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Satori
27-03-04, 10:53
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0320-08.htm

neko_girl22
27-03-04, 13:32
interesting article, thanks satori. Personally I have a hard time trusting any huge food producing company, especially coca-cola... this article shows another reason why not to.

jeisan
27-03-04, 13:51
Q. what's Evian spelled backwards?

A. Naive

Satori
27-03-04, 21:14
interesting article, thanks satori. Personally I have a hard time trusting any huge food producing company, especially coca-cola... this article shows another reason why not to.

You're welcome! I feel the same way. It's hard to trust any large corporation these days.

Satori
27-03-04, 21:15
Q. what's Evian spelled backwards?

A. Naive

How funny. You know, for some reason Evian has always tasted awful to me--like water that has hairspray in it or something! Ugh!! After this article, I'm really starting to wonder what's in Evian as well!!

jeisan
28-03-04, 04:07
i just dont see the point in paying so much for water, i mean its just water. you can get a gallon (3.78L) of clean filtered mountain spring water in the grocery store for 53 or you can pay $1.00 for 20 ounces (591ml) of dasani, evian, aquafina or whatever. the same amount of tap water is damn near free. so why pay for it?

Satori
28-03-04, 04:11
i just dont see the point in paying so much for water, i mean its just water. you can get a gallon (3.78L) of clean filtered mountain spring water in the grocery store for 53 or you can pay $1.00 for 20 ounces (591ml) of dasani, evian, aquafina or whatever. the same amount of tap water is damn near free. so why pay for it?

I know!!! I agree!

kirei_na_me
28-03-04, 04:27
All I need is my Brita pitcher and I'm good to go.

Satori
28-03-04, 04:31
All I need is my Brita pitcher and I'm good to go.

Are those pretty good? Sounds like it.

kirei_na_me
28-03-04, 04:34
I think it's good enough. I can tell a big difference between the taste of the plain tap water and tap water that's gone through the filter. I like it a lot. I kind of wish I had one of those that's built on to the faucet, though, because you kind of have to wait awhile for the water to go through the pitcher.

Satori
28-03-04, 04:48
I think it's good enough. I can tell a big difference between the taste of the plain tap water and tap water that's gone through the filter. I like it a lot. I kind of wish I had one of those that's built on to the faucet, though, because you kind of have to wait awhile for the water to go through the pitcher.

I know filters are good, but I was always curious about the Brita. It sounds like a good system. I used to have bottled water delivered to my home, but it is so expensive, it's ridiculous. Plus, when you read stories about how it's not really THAT much different than tap, all the more reason to shop around!

bossel
28-03-04, 05:40
I used to have bottled water delivered to my home, but it is so expensive, it's ridiculous. Plus, when you read stories about how it's not really THAT much different than tap, all the more reason to shop around!
Why home delivery? That's what makes it expensive, or not? I usually buy the cheapest bottled water there is: roughly 17 -cent per litre. Tap water is a lot cheaper, of course, & better controlled here in Germany. But I prefer the taste of sparkling mineral water.

BTW, here in Germany are pretty strict rules how to label bottled water: mineral water, spring water & table water (= tap water with carbon dioxide), maybe more. This way you know pretty well, what you buy.

Satori
28-03-04, 07:35
Why home delivery? That's what makes it expensive, or not? I usually buy the cheapest bottled water there is: roughly 17 ?-cent per litre. Tap water is a lot cheaper, of course, & better controlled here in Germany. But I prefer the taste of sparkling mineral water.

BTW, here in Germany are pretty strict rules how to label bottled water: mineral water, spring water & table water (= tap water with carbon dioxide), maybe more. This way you know pretty well, what you buy.

What made it expensive was the type of water (drinking water, spring water, etc.) and the use of the bottles. For instance, two five-gallon bottles of spring water cost me approximately $35 per month, and after a while, I just thought that was a bit excessive. Lately, I have been using either tap or buying bottled water in the grocery store. That's why I was curious about the filtration system, because I used to use it many years ago and it seemed to be a good system, as long as the filters were changed frequently. I'm sure water is a lot better in Germany than here in the U.S. Our water is so very polluted, and in some cities, there is so much chlorine in the water to counteract the pollution, you can really taste it. Just awful. Certainly not the most comforting experience!

It's a pretty sad state of affairs to realize that we now live in a world where it's not really safe to drink the water or to go outside without sunscreen!! Unreal...

suzu
28-03-04, 21:21
I don't think the water here is very good, alot of times when you go to resturants when they give you your drink and it has ice in it, when the ice melts you can taste the chlorine. Yuck -_- I usually ask for no ice but they put it in anyways.

bossel
29-03-04, 00:30
Chlorine in tap water? Then it's either really bad or the authorities are over-cautious. In Germany that would be done only if there is imminent danger of contamination. Is Germany tap-water heaven?
I know that in China they always boil tap-water before drinking it, but I wasn't aware that the situation in parts of the US is also rather bad. What's it like in Japan? Is tap-water of good quality?

kirei_na_me
29-03-04, 00:37
Yeah, chlorine is a given here. Sometimes, when I take a bath, it smells like I'm in a swimming pool instead of a bathtub. A couple of times, we've had to boil the water before drinking because they put too many chemicals in at the water treatment facility. That was after we had severe drought and they brought in water from a different source. I think they were trying to be extra cautious and went overboard.

I grew up in the countryside, though, where we had water from a well. I experienced a very rude awakening when I moved inside the city limits.

suzu
29-03-04, 01:24
we have a well but when we go to all the resturants in the city it is a big surprise

m477
29-03-04, 03:57
NEW! Dasani drinking water! not fit for human comsumption

Seriously, though, to me the difference between (city) tap water and purified drinking water is like night and day. Usually I go for more reputable brands like Absopure though.

But if you are in the countryside, you probably don't need it... like at my girlfriend's parent's house, where their water comes from the mountains... very tasty! :gulp:

Satori
16-04-04, 13:22
Water vs Coke!


Makes you think.

We all know that water is important but I've never seen it
written down like this before-----

WATER - 75% of Americans are chronically dehydrated. (Likely
applies to half world pop.)

In 37% of Americans, the thirst mechanism is so weak that it is
often mistaken for hunger.

Even MILD dehydration will slow down one's metabolism as much as 3%.

One glass of water shut down midnight hunger pangs for almost
100% of the dieters studied in a U-Washington study.

Lack of water, the #1 trigger of daytime fatigue.

Preliminary research indicates that 8-10 glasses of water a day
could significantly ease back and joint pain for up to 80% of
sufferers.

A mere 2% drop in body water can trigger fuzzy short-term
memory, trouble with basic math, and difficulty focusing on the
computer screen or on a printed page.

Drinking 5 glasses of water daily decreases the risk of colon
cancer by 45%, plus it can slash the risk of breast cancer by
79%, and one is 50% less likely to develop bladder cancer.

Are you drinking the amount of water you should every day?
======================================
COKE - No wonder coke tastes soooo good:

#1. In many states (in the USA) the highway patrol carries two
gallons of Coke in the truck to remove blood from the highway
after a car accident.

#2. You can put a T-bone steak in a bowl of coke and it will be
gone in two days.

#3. To clean a toilet: Pour a can of Coca-Cola into the toilet
bowl and.......Let the "real thing" sit for one hour, then flush
clean. The citric acid in Coke removes stains from vitreous china.

#4. To remove rust spots from chrome car bumpers: Rub the bumper
with a crumpled-up piece of Reynolds Wrap aluminum foil dipped
in Coca-Cola.

#5. To clean corrosion from car battery terminals: Pour a can of
Coca-Cola over the terminals to bubble away the corrosion.

#6. To loosen a rusted bolt: Applying a cloth soaked in
Coca-Cola to the rusted bolt for several minutes.

#7. To bake a moist ham: Empty a can of Coca-Cola into the
baking pan, wrap the ham in aluminum foil, and bake. Thirty
minutes before the ham is finished, Remove the foil, allowing
the drippings to mix with the Coke for a sumptuous brown gravy.

#8. To remove grease from clothes: Empty a can of coke into a
load of greasy clothes, add detergent, and run through a regular
cycle. The Coca-Cola will help loosen grease stains. It will
also clean road haze from your windshield.

FYI:
#1. The active ingredient in Coke is phosphoric acid. Its pH is
2.8. It will dissolve a nail in about 4 days.

#2. To carry Coca-Cola syrup (the concentrate) the commercial
truck must use the Hazardous material place cards reserved for
highly corrosive materials.

#3. The distributors of coke have been using it to clean the
engines of their trucks for about 20 years!

Still Want To Drink Up?


:shock:

bossel
16-04-04, 14:31
Satori, before you post something like this you should check an urban legends website like snopes:
http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/acid.asp

Excerpt:
"Coca-Cola contains less citric acid than orange juice does, and the concentration of phosphoric acid in Coke is far too small (a mere 11 to 13 grams per gallon of syrup, or about 0.20 to 0.30 per cent of the total formula) to dissolve a steak, a tooth, or a nail overnight. (Much of the item will dissolve eventually, but after a day or two you'll still have most of the tooth, a whole nail, and one very soggy t-bone.)"

Satori
16-04-04, 14:40
Satori, before you post something like this you should check an urban legends website like snopes:
http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/acid.asp

Excerpt:
"Coca-Cola contains less citric acid than orange juice does, and the concentration of phosphoric acid in Coke is far too small (a mere 11 to 13 grams per gallon of syrup, or about 0.20 to 0.30 per cent of the total formula) to dissolve a steak, a tooth, or a nail overnight. (Much of the item will dissolve eventually, but after a day or two you'll still have most of the tooth, a whole nail, and one very soggy t-bone.)"


Thanks for the link, Bossel. While I can't personally vouch for the nail and the tooth experiments, I do know that back in the '60s some people I knew performed the meat experiment with coke. It was gone in 48 hours. Not sure if it was steak, though! I just remember it being beef. I guess that lends new meaning to the joke, "Where's the beef?" :D Anyway, it's good to know of the Snopes site, so thanks for that.

bossel
16-04-04, 18:30
I know that Coke can be useful in car repair. :smash: The old East German cars called Trabant (Trabi) with a 2 stroke engine had some problems that could be cured by careful appliance of cola.

Have never heard of this beef experiment before, though. But, well, acid! I don't mind, as long as it tastes good. Most often I drink juice (which contains acid, too), anyway.

Satori
16-04-04, 19:06
I know that Coke can be useful in car repair. :smash: The old East German cars called Trabant (Trabi) with a 2 stroke engine had some problems that could be cured by careful appliance of cola.

Have never heard of this beef experiment before, though. But, well, acid! I don't mind, as long as it tastes good. Most often I drink juice (which contains acid, too), anyway.

I didn't know that about the cars. Interesting. Personally, I love Coke and prefer it over Pepsi whenever I drink soft drinks. But like you, I tend to drink juice more often. There's just too much sugar in Coke and Pepsi.

jeisan
16-04-04, 19:42
actually even the beef one is false, they did an episode of mythbusters on all the coke things. they left the hunk of meat in there alot longer than 48 hours.
the only thing it did really well was clean chrome.

Satori
16-04-04, 20:00
actually even the beef one is false, they did an episode of mythbusters on all the coke things. they left the hunk of meat in there alot longer than 48 hours.
the only thing it did really well was clean chrome.

I know people that performed that experiment and it worked in 48 hours!

playaa
16-04-04, 20:15
Oh, well the water is the most interesting thing to me, I need to drink more! :p

jeisan
16-04-04, 20:24
next time i eat steak ill get a hunk and put it in a glass of coke for 2 days. im fairly sure it will still be there. on the show they left it in the coke long enough for it to start rotting, like weeks and it was still there, wasnt even that big of a piece.
i mean if your friends put some small sliver of meat in the coke then yeah maybe it would disappear, but i doubt a 1/2 x 1/2 x 1 inch piece would be gone after only 48 hours.

bossel
18-04-04, 04:34
I have the same doubts about dissolving a steak as Jeisan. But I don't have any money to waste, so I won't try to prove anything.

Just yesterday a new study was published in Germany. All acidic drinks, like orange juice or cola, damage the enamel. If you drink stuff like this regularly your teeth may be damaged irreparably, in a way that small parts of the enamel break away.
The more acid the drink & the more often you drink it, the worse.

The article (only German, sorry):
http://www.rp-online.de/public/article/nachrichten/wissenschaft/medizin/44053

Satori
18-04-04, 05:35
next time i eat steak ill get a hunk and put it in a glass of coke for 2 days. im fairly sure it will still be there. on the show they left it in the coke long enough for it to start rotting, like weeks and it was still there, wasnt even that big of a piece.
i mean if your friends put some small sliver of meat in the coke then yeah maybe it would disappear, but i doubt a 1/2 x 1/2 x 1 inch piece would be gone after only 48 hours.

Thanks, Jeisan. This will be a fun experiment to find out what really happens. Who knows, maybe I have been lied to all these years?!! Either way, we'll soon find out. So let us all know as soon as you get the results! And thanks for doing this! :-)

Satori
18-04-04, 05:37
I have the same doubts about dissolving a steak as Jeisan. But I don't have any money to waste, so I won't try to prove anything.

Just yesterday a new study was published in Germany. All acidic drinks, like orange juice or cola, damage the enamel. If you drink stuff like this regularly your teeth may be damaged irreparably, in a way that small parts of the enamel break away.
The more acid the drink & the more often you drink it, the worse.

The article (only German, sorry):
http://www.rp-online.de/public/article/nachrichten/wissenschaft/medizin/44053

Fortunately, I don't drink any acidic drinks on a regular basis. Yikes.

jeisan
19-04-04, 03:20
ok ive started today at 6pm CDT just a little piece, 1/2 in. (1.27cm) thick, 3/4 in. (1.9cm) wide and 1 in. (2.54cm) long.
we'll see how it goes...

bossel
19-04-04, 04:41
A rather small piece of meat you used, Jeisan. But it should be interesting to see the result. Will you check only after 2 days or also in between?



Fortunately, I don't drink any acidic drinks on a regular basis. Yikes.
It seems hard to avoid. A lot of juices are acidic.
I don't know if it was you who told this here about chlorine in drinking water. That can be as hazardous for your teeth as cola.

You are a vegetarian, is that correct? Then your teeth might even be in greater danger than mine:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1224498.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2995209.stm

"But overall, the researchers found that many of these teas eroded tooth enamel.
In fact, some were up to three times more damaging than orange juice.
"Many of the herbal teas tested were found to be more erosive than orange juice," the researchers said. "

Oh well, I don't think the situation for our teeth is as bad as it seems, but I take care in so far as waiting at least 1/2 hour before I brush my teeth after eating fruits or drinking juice.

BTW, here is nice little Powerpoint presentation of some pupils who made an experiment regarding the effects of orange juice, Coke & Gatorade on teeth:
http://webs.wichita.edu/ubms/2003%20Projects/4Kristina2.ppt
Result: Orange juice is worst.

jeisan
19-04-04, 04:55
A rather small piece of meat you used, Jeisan. But it should be interesting to see the result. Will you check only after 2 days or also in between?

aye, well i guess i wanna give it the best chance of actually doing something, if a piece that small doesnt dissolve then it proves nothing bigger would and that the whole thing is false.
ill prolly check in between, as of now the syrup and water are starting to separate and theres some floaties in there. the meat kinda looks as if its getting cooked, its no longer red, but looks like its still the same size.

Satori
19-04-04, 04:58
A rather small piece of meat you used, Jeisan. But it should be interesting to see the result. Will you check only after 2 days or also in between?



It seems hard to avoid. A lot of juices are acidic.
I don't know if it was you who told this here about chlorine in drinking water. That can be as hazardous for your teeth as cola.

You are a vegetarian, is that correct? Then your teeth might even be in greater danger than mine:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1224498.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2995209.stm

"But overall, the researchers found that many of these teas eroded tooth enamel.
In fact, some were up to three times more damaging than orange juice.
"Many of the herbal teas tested were found to be more erosive than orange juice," the researchers said. "

Oh well, I don't think the situation for our teeth is as bad as it seems, but I take care in so far as waiting at least 1/2 hour before I brush my teeth after eating fruits or drinking juice.

BTW, here is nice little Powerpoint presentation of some pupils who made an experiment regarding the effects of orange juice, Coke & Gatorade on teeth:
http://webs.wichita.edu/ubms/2003%20Projects/4Kristina2.ppt
Result: Orange juice is worst.

I'm a bit skeptical about the herbal tea claim. A person would have to drink a LOT of herbal tea for that to occur, and I don't think most people drink that much.

As far as the vegetarian claim, I know that to be bogus. Interestingly enough, I have found the opposite to be true. Every single dentist office I have ever visited has commented about how great my teeth are due to be being a vegetarian. Some dentists even brought in their office staff to look at my teeth as an example of healthy living! It was weird ... like I was on "show" or something. But I never had any cavities and my teeth hardly ever needed cleaning. The cleaning part had to do with not eating meat, while the no cavities part had to do with the fact that my parents kept sugars and sweetened foods away from me and my two older sisters when we were children. I remember my mother telling me that she knew it was important to keep a child away from sweetened foods, especially up until the age of six or so. For some reason, being exposed to sugar during those crucial years can make all the difference. I also know of other vegetarians (people who have been vegetarians their entire lives like me) who have experienced the same dentist situations--no cavities and hardly any teeth cleaning needed--so it would appear that being a vegetarian is very helpful not only to one's overall health, but to one's dental health as well.

Of course, there are some people who take issue with vegetarianism, so they are always going to find some area to try to attack.

Satori
19-04-04, 05:07
aye, well i guess i wanna give it the best chance of actually doing something, if a piece that small doesnt dissolve then it proves nothing bigger would and that the whole thing is false.
ill prolly check in between, as of now the syrup and water are starting to separate and theres some floaties in there. the meat kinda looks as if its getting cooked, its no longer red, but looks like its still the same size.

Thanks so much for doing this, Jeisan! You know, when my friends conducted this test back in the late '60s, the ingredients in Coke were very different than they are today. However, I believe the only change would have been cocaine, but I'm not sure. Do you happen to know what other changes Coke made to its ingredients, other than removing cocaine from their soft drinks?

jeisan
19-04-04, 05:58
not really, though i thought cocaine was removed as an ingredient well before the 60s, like around when the states first started up with the controlled substance and drug laws.

playaa
19-04-04, 06:03
Yeah, cocaine was removed back before the 60's and I am sure there has been some changes to coke, just not advertised.

Satori
19-04-04, 06:26
not really, though i thought cocaine was removed as an ingredient well before the 60s, like around when the states first started up with the controlled substance and drug laws.


I started to say I thought Coke contained cocaine in the '60s, but I just looked it up on the internet, and it appears it was eliminated around 1920 or so, so I guess not. I thought for sure cocaine was in the Coke of the '60s, because so many people have talked about it and it definitely tasted different back then--much better than today--but maybe that has more to do with other ingredients that have changed over the years.

jeisan
21-04-04, 03:10
well since im lazy and forgetful the meat got an extra hour and a half in the coke. so after 49.5 hours the meat was still there and surprisingly enough bigger than when i put it in. i guess swelling from absoring the water all that time, it grew about 1/4 inch (63.5mm) in length, height and width.
the odd bit was that it was almost completly white, save the center, which still had blood in it.
another interesting thing was that the blood that leeched out of the meat stuck to the syrup to form a soft solid debris. so instead of the thicker brown syrup on buttom and clear water on top, which is the norm when you leave a coke out for hours, there was a bunch of brown floaties in the clear water. picture gold schlager with about 3 times the flakes and make them brown.
this can easily give the appearance that something was dissolved in there. probably where this myth originated. though for the most part i'd say there wasn't much change after hour 6.

Satori
21-04-04, 03:31
well since im lazy and forgetful the meat got an extra hour and a half in the coke. so after 49.5 hours the meat was still there and surprisingly enough bigger than when i put it in. i guess swelling from absoring the water all that time, it grew about 1/4 inch (63.5mm) in length, height and width.
the odd bit was that it was almost completly white, save the center, which still had blood in it.
another interesting thing was that the blood that leeched out of the meat stuck to the syrup to form a soft solid debris. so instead of the thicker brown syrup on buttom and clear water on top, which is the norm when you leave a coke out for hours, there was a bunch of brown floaties in the clear water. picture gold schlager with about 3 times the flakes and make them brown.
this can easily give the appearance that something was dissolved in there. probably where this myth originated. though for the most part i'd say there wasn't much change after hour 6.

Wow, looks like I was lied to all these years!! But thanks to you, Jeisan, the mystery has now been solved! Good going!! :-)

bossel
21-04-04, 19:42
Thanks Jeisan! Have you tried the meat afterwards? :liplick:

jeisan
22-04-04, 10:11
lol nah im not brave enough to stick a hunk of cow thats been sitting out at room temperature in coke for 2 days in my mouth. :p