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misa.j
07-06-04, 21:11
In the article I read today about a rapist, who had been raping a 16 yrs old girl that supposedly lived with him since she was 11 yrs old and was repeatedly raped for 5 years by him, was arrested and faces a sentence of 10 ~ 20 yrs of life in a prison. He took plaroids, video taped intending to sell while he raped her. It happened in a town next to the one I live, and I just got a sick feeling in my stomach when I read the article.

It seems to me that the justice system gives so much rights to violent criminals that do not prevent the reccurences of the same crimes. Why are the charges for sex offenders so light? Personally, I don't think any sex offenders should be released, since nobody can really keep them away from other people.

It bothered me so much that I had to post to hear the others' opinions on this.
Thanks.

Frank D. White
07-06-04, 21:52
some of the U.S. Judges should go to jail !! They let idiots like the above out on bail, allow plea bargins,
reduce high sentences given by juries, say it was the victims fault, etc. . The American justice system can
leave you scratching your head or pounding it against the wall!

Frank

:blush:

jeisan
07-06-04, 22:21
ah yes, ive seen some offenses get as light of sentances as 5 years probation.

but if it makes you feel better, i doubt that guy will last long in prison. other prisoners dont take kindly to child molesters there, and are often beaten and tortured before getting killed in prison. guards often look the other way in such cases...

misa.j
09-06-04, 04:08
It is encouraging to know that there are some people like you guys who would agree with me.

I don't really understand the mental stage of the defense lawyers who try to protect such criminals...

Jean-Francois
09-06-04, 07:48
(1) In God We Trust

America is a country embraces the values of Christianity (e.g. thou shall not kill, repentance & etc. which help shape the framework of its justice system). A defendant is presumed innocence until he is proven guilty. And even if a person is found guilty, the sentencing is inclined towards leniency because the laws mostly are written by liberal scholars.

Their justice system is not designed to send convicts to hell. Rather, it is designed to “help” the offenders to become a good citizen again.


(2) $$$$$$$$$$

Due to the fast growing rate of occupancy, the correctional facilities (jails, half-way house & etc) carry a national price tag that exceeds US$50 billion per year.

misa.j
10-06-04, 21:40
(1) In God We Trust
Their justice system is not designed to send convicts to hell. Rather, it is designed to “help” the offenders to become a good citizen again.

(2) $$$$$$$$$$
Due to the fast growing rate of occupancy, the correctional facilities (jails, half-way house & etc) carry a national price tag that exceeds US$50 billion per year.


(1) Do you really think those sex offenders become good citizens after going through all the prosedures they deserve?

(2) True. I think they crowd the C.F.s with many non-violent criminals convicted with the pathetic drug charges, who could turn into violent criminals while they are inside.

Jean-Francois
10-06-04, 21:58
(1) Not very likely. But the laws are merciful. Since nobody can rule out the possibility that a sex offender can repent, the law would rather let a "potentially guilty" man go free than keep an innocent man in jail.

Besides, criminal intention is the most difficult to prove. That's why so many white-collar crimes (e.g. accouting fruads) can get away from prosecution. Although recently the American public got fed up and made an example out of some big corporations, it was never easy to prove that the CEOs at Enron purposely misrepresented financial information to their shareholders and creditors other than it was just an accounting mistake.

(2) If you love MoNey, set "them" free!

Frank D. White
10-06-04, 22:30
I liked the planet KYPTON's anser to crime! From the old "Superman Comics". They sent them into another dimension where they existed like a ghost. No cost to take care of them and they could do no physical harm.
An old book series called "Doc Savage" operated on criminals brains to turn them into model citizens. I'm surprised we haven't figured out how to do that!
Then there was the movie "A Clockwork Orange" where
they brain washed criminals! There doesn't seem to be an acceptable solution to the problem, it's been with us since mankind(&womankind) came about.

Frank

:? :okashii: :blush:

Jean-Francois
10-06-04, 22:55
Err... maybe love and education can help ? It probably sounds too idealistic ... If only these criminals were showered with love and had the access to a good education ...
Actually, many convicts of embezzlements did but that didn't help either.

Anyway, under the existing system, it is very difficult to argue that a rapist who has served his sentence has a higher tendency to repeat offence (indeed many do) than a shoplifter. To say so, it would shake up one of the most important fundamental principles of the American justice system - all men are equal in front of the laws.

sadakoyamamura
11-06-04, 19:08
I know someone who is well educated and a rapist as well... I hate them all because my friend was a victim!!! :box:

misa.j
12-06-04, 15:34
I know someone who is well educated and a rapist as well... I hate them all because my friend was a victim!!! :box:

How's your friend doing? I hope she/he is getting lots of support such as a friend like you.

sadakoyamamura
13-06-04, 17:37
How's your friend doing? I hope she/he is getting lots of support such as a friend like you.

He was a well educated guy with a high IQ who went to the best schools in my city. It's been a year and she's still bothered. She's having suicidal thoughts and feelings of persecusion. She couldn't press charges because she doesn't want her family to know. She just wants to move on a little at a time. A friend and I are helping her process her experience by supporting her and giving positive feedback... She wants to go to a psychologist but she's not ready yet to talk about it so we're just waiting.

Thanks so much for your concern. This is much too personal for me. It is a pain to see a friend in pain. :-)

misa.j
13-06-04, 20:26
"sadakoyamamura" san, thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience with us on this. It must have been really hard for you to talk about this.

I'm not sure if this will help, but I have a friend who was victimized by her ex-boyfriend. She had to have an abortion from that, and she didn't have much support at the time. Despite the horrible incident, in about 10yrs, now, she has a child who she loves and has a boyfriend who she can be comfortable with.

Thanks again, for putting such an effort to talk about your friend.

sadakoyamamura
14-06-04, 15:23
"sadakoyamamura" san, thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience with us on this. It must have been really hard for you to talk about this.

I'm not sure if this will help, but I have a friend who was victimized by her ex-boyfriend. She had to have an abortion from that, and she didn't have much support at the time. Despite the horrible incident, in about 10yrs, now, she has a child who she loves and has a boyfriend who she can be comfortable with.

Thanks again, for putting such an effort to talk about your friend.

Im happy for your friend, she overcame something so dark. Im also happy that she was able to bear another child because some abortion do result in infertility (but that is another story) and have a boyfriend who loves her back. Lastly, Im happy to have shared my thoughts even if it was painful, I know my friend will survive because we have faith in her. :-) :-)

ashuri2
21-06-04, 08:30
there's a sex offender that lives in my bf's neighborhood, which is just a coupla blocks from my neighborhood. the police knocked on everyone's doors and the school to let them know, but i still think it was rather irresponsible for them to let him live so near a school, which is right in front of a public park where many women run late at night because it's usually a safe place. i had to walkl past the guy once, it was an experience i'd rather not repeat. my bf hates for me to walk alone now and walks with me around the neighborhood, espicially if it involves going past the guy's house.

misa.j
22-06-04, 04:35
ashuri2,
It's good to hear that your boyfriend is being protective for you, and I agree w/ you on the guy should not live near the school.


I keep hearing really sick incidents. What's wrong w/ people?

ashuri2
23-06-04, 08:06
ashuri2,
It's good to hear that your boyfriend is being protective for you, and I agree w/ you on the guy should not live near the school.


I keep hearing really sick incidents. What's wrong w/ people?

thanks. at first i was put off by the protectiveness as i'm usually independent, but after reading this i realized that he just cares and that perhaps his worries aren't unfounded. i wish we could trust people more, i bet no one even knew anything was wrong with that guy who raped the 11-yr. old. :(

misa.j
23-06-04, 18:43
In the same town as the one I'd mentioned in my first post ot this thread, a father who raped his own daughter was arrested recently, waiting for a sentence.
I have heard a similar case with a daughter hanged herself...

I can't imagine how these girls could have hope or trust anyone in the future.

Winter
25-06-04, 19:53
Wow, so much for me to say.

First, let me say to anyone and everyone who knows someone afraid to press charges; can they live with the fact that they are allowing a criminal to commit his crime again? Usually, that fact is motivation enough to overcome any fears.

Second; defense attourneys that take on the task of defending rapists are usually public defenders; in otherwords, the ones that eventually do take on the tasks, are basically so poor that they cant afford to refuse the case. There are other reasons, but most of those just involve a lot of money.

Lastly, I wanted to comment on the...comment, lol, that this country was founded and orchestrated with Christian doctrines.

Not entirely true.

Our country were seperatists from a Monarchy; and the English monarchy was believe, in its start, that the original king was ordained by G*d to govern, and rule absolutely.

The settlers wanted to shy away from those styles of government, and while the country was founded by some pilgrims, and abolishionists ideologies, it was more heavily based on equality to some extents, and fairness, without the rule of previously ordained doctrines.

Also, at one time, it was common knowledge that 'one nation, under GOD' didnt mean Jehovah, or Hossanah, but "government of democracy". Nobody knows that now, though.

ashuri2
27-06-04, 05:51
[QUOTE=Winter] ordained by G*d to govern, and rule absolutely.

QUOTE]

lol...wow, is God a bad word now, that we have to censor it? :blush:

sadakoyamamura
27-06-04, 11:14
Since we're talking rape here, I'd like to share these emails from my friend...
It's pretty long but it has the best of intentions... :-)



Ladies, please take extra care when going to the washroom.
Recently the sister of my officemate was a witness to an
attempted rape incident at one McDonalds branch. According to
her, she heard some noise from ladies' room and at one point,
saw a guy at the ladies' washroom when the doorway partially opened.
So she told the crew immediately. Based on the victim's story,
she was shocked when she saw a guy enter the CR, so she
tried to leave immediately, but the guy suddenly pulled her
hair tried to cover her mouth with his hand and started
trying to rape her. The rapist almost escaped when the the crew
came to the rescue. The rapist had Php 10,000 with him, a celfone and
some pills. So ladies please make sure you have someone
else with you when you go to the washroom. You can have a
guy friend wait for you outside the washroom as protection.

Now on to the pills...


Please read it and circulate to your friends.
Better you know now than be a victim.
Pass this message around to people with
daughters, especially teenage girls. Ladies, be
on the alert of this issue & be on your guard.
For party goers, please be careful.......

Ladies, please be more alert and take extra
caution when it comes to this issue of drinks
offered by some guys. Guys out there, please
kindly forward this message to your lady friends.
There is a new drug that has been out for less
than a year. Progesterex is essentially a small
sterilization pill. The drug is now being used
by rapists at parties to rape AND sterilize
their victims. A friend's mom works at a
pharmacy and she said the drug is available
exclusively to veterinarians to sterilize large
animals, but have heard that the drug is being
used with Rohypnol(also known as Roofies), a
rape drug. With Rohypnol, all they have to do is
drop it into the drink. The girl can't remember
a thing the next morning as to what had
happened the night before. Well, now Rohypnol is
not being used alone. Progesterex, which
dissolves in drinks just as easily, is being
used with it so that the woman doesn't conceive
from the rape and the rapist needn't worry about
having a paternity test identifying him months
later. But the drug's effects AREN'T TEMPORARY.
Progesterex was designed to sterilize horses.
Any woman who takes it WILL NOT HAVE CHILDREN
EVER IN HER LIFE. All those guys have to do to
get this drug is to know someone who is in
the Vet school of any university. It's that
easy, and Progesterex is about to break out big
on campuses everywhere. Believe it or not, there
is even a site on the internet for the drugs
telling people how to use it. Kindly pass the
word.
Hope that is helpful.

Ewok85
27-06-04, 14:10
That second email is extremely disturbing. I've always been appaled at the laughable sentence people of henious crimes get. The victims of rape have had a horrible experience and knowing that these people get these crappy little sentences is of little comfort. And if the situation in the second email is unimaginable to me, why anyone would be so low as to try something like that.

I've always had the rule that when i go out to something in public with drinking that I only drink from bottles and keep my thumb over the top. If I leave the drink on its own it doesnt get drunk from.

misa.j
27-06-04, 15:53
sadakoyamamura,

Those are really good info, I just might as well bring my own drinks to parties, if I ever go.

I always get a little nervous when I have to use the bathroom on highways even though my husband usually waits for me outside. I think learning selfdefence can save your life in many situations.

Frank D. White
28-06-04, 03:16
It's one of the few states where it is difficult to get a gun permit! You can always get a can of pepper spray,
but not sure what N.Y. allows? Here in Maine many women & men carry concealed firearms for protection;
it's fairly easy to get a permit to carry. I have a small,
lightweight, 2 shot derringer I stick in my back pocket, makes you feel a little safer. Having children in the home
would make me not want a gun around though. Just knowing how to be aware of your surroundings is a good start to being safe!

Frank

:blush:

Ewok85
28-06-04, 10:18
Does it not worry you that the situation is so bad that people have to arm themselves to feel protected?

misa.j
28-06-04, 16:04
It's one of the few states where it is difficult to get a gun permit! You can always get a can of pepper spray,
but not sure what N.Y. allows? Here in Maine many women & men carry concealed firearms for protection;
it's fairly easy to get a permit to carry. I have a small,
lightweight, 2 shot derringer I stick in my back pocket, makes you feel a little safer. Having children in the home
would make me not want a gun around though. Just knowing how to be aware of your surroundings is a good start to being safe!

Frank

:blush:
My husband has just gotten his permit; with the permit, he is allowed to carry a concealed weapon in all parts of NY state except NYC and restricted locations that are shown on the permit such as schools or work.
NYC permit allows people to carry anywhere in NY state which makes me question, although it is extremely difficult to get a permit in NYC. I am not sure about the other states where he is allowed to carry, each state has different ristrictions as well.
I have to become a citizen first to get one.

We do not have any children, but I agree with you on how responsible a gun owner has to be around children.

sadakoyamamura
30-06-04, 05:46
Does it not worry you that the situation is so bad that people have to arm themselves to feel protected?

It's really disturbing! I used to study martial arts but now I feel that it might be a good idea too to learn how to use the gun.

Areku
30-06-04, 08:07
Most laws are too lenient, unfortunately.

Here in the UK it's totally stupid. You can't defend yourself with a weapon that you intended to use, basically. A guy had a shotgun, and lived in an isolated house (only farmers are allowed guns, and only shotguns, and certain rifles maybe), and he was burgled many times by some scum youths from the nearby location. One day he was burgled the in the middle of the night and fired a shot(s) into his living room, wounding a boy (16+ though, old enough to know better) who later died. Can you believe the guy got sent to prison??? Half of the country damned him for it, the other half thought he deserved a medal.

If a burglar enters your property and you (quite rightly) injure him, he can prosecute/sue you...lol..Ridiculous.

sadakoyamamura
10-07-04, 09:26
Most laws are too lenient, unfortunately.

Here in the UK it's totally stupid. You can't defend yourself with a weapon that you intended to use, basically. A guy had a shotgun, and lived in an isolated house (only farmers are allowed guns, and only shotguns, and certain rifles maybe), and he was burgled many times by some scum youths from the nearby location. One day he was burgled the in the middle of the night and fired a shot(s) into his living room, wounding a boy (16+ though, old enough to know better) who later died. Can you believe the guy got sent to prison??? Half of the country damned him for it, the other half thought he deserved a medal.

If a burglar enters your property and you (quite rightly) injure him, he can prosecute/sue you...lol..Ridiculous.

I felt sad for the guy. I hold that all of us have the right and the instinct to protect what is ours. Has anybody from your government or some concerned party/ies ever suggested amending those ridiculous laws? In my country we also have our share of those laws and there are talks of changes which never really materialize... :worried:

Bounty Hunter
10-07-04, 11:39
I would of murdered :okashii: him i wouldn't of cared if i went to prision.

I would of made it slow and painful


Most laws are too lenient, unfortunately.

Here in the UK it's totally stupid. You can't defend yourself with a weapon that you intended to use, basically. A guy had a shotgun, and lived in an isolated house (only farmers are allowed guns, and only shotguns, and certain rifles maybe), and he was burgled many times by some scum youths from the nearby location. One day he was burgled the in the middle of the night and fired a shot(s) into his living room, wounding a boy (16+ though, old enough to know better) who later died. Can you believe the guy got sent to prison??? Half of the country damned him for it, the other half thought he deserved a medal.

If a burglar enters your property and you (quite rightly) injure him, he can prosecute/sue you...lol..Ridiculous.

Yea i knew about this aswell it was stupid that he went to jail.

Also before i was watching a program about a women (real life) that went to jail cause she defended her home (which had children in it) and stabbed the guy (he died) and she went to prison (she was just protecting her children he could of been a rapist), it was in the U.S by the way.
Its a messed up world.

misa.j
12-07-04, 20:09
Another very disturbing case:
A man in Rochester N.Y. was sentenced for 38 yrs in prison. He called his friends to come to his house, so they could rape his 3 and a half year-old daughter.

Why isn't the execution available for this?

PaulTB
13-07-04, 12:55
One day he was burgled the in the middle of the night and fired a shot(s) into his living room, wounding a boy (16+ though, old enough to know better) who later died. Can you believe the guy got sent to prison??? Half of the country damned him for it, the other half thought he deserved a medal.

Was that the one who shot the boy twice in the back while he was running from the property?