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Germanic vs Latino - Economic strength?

The problem with this thread is that the topic is overly broad and lacks a legitimate focal point. Subject matter with characteristics such as these has a propensity to engender tangential discussion, particularly when uninformed and malicious people become significant components in the mix. Unfortunately, we seem to have an abundance of both types contributing on a number of Eupedia threads. Of course, there are also growing percentages of charlatans, childish minds, pathological liars and plain old jack-asses. :rolleyes2:
 
The problem with this thread is that the topic is overly broad and lacks a legitimate focal point. Subject matter with characteristics such as these has a propensity to engender tangential discussion, particularly when uninformed and malicious people become significant components in the mix. Unfortunately, we seem to have an abundance of both types contributing on a number of Eupedia threads. Of course, there are also growing percentages of charlatans, childish minds, pathological liars and plain old jack-asses. :rolleyes2:
I agree, we have to do something with Wilhelm and lynx, otherwise our discussion goes nowhere.
 
I don't see this thread going anywhere. It started on a mistaken statement and discussion is only making it worse.
 
I agree, we have to do something with Wilhelm and lynx, otherwise our discussion goes nowhere.

I'm not the one posting out of date data or manipulative/childish assumptions about other countries (temperamental, cold-minded, and that kind of s*it).

Manipulative? Are you confusing me with Wilhelm and yourself, showing only stuff that fits your delusional views? I showed you 5 randomly found statistics, that show different results!!! How manipulative is this? Do you know what manipulating data is? Ask Wilhelm, he's good in it.

You either can't read or don't want to (as always). You posted a link to the HDI of 2006...


...and then I posted a link to the present HDI in which (surprise, surprise) Spain was much better ranked. That's manipulative and it's not like the first time you do such thing.

http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

Departamento Nacional de Propaganda

I see that you're fluent at spanish. Not surprised. :rolleyes2:

Please, keep embarrasing yourself. :good_job:
 
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I'm not the one posting out of date data or manipulative/childish assumptions about other countries (temperamental, cold-minded, and that kind of s*it).



You either can't read or don't want to (as always). You posted a link to the HDI of 2006...



...and then I posted a link to the present HDI in which (surprise, surprise) Spain was much better ranked. That's manipulative and it's not like the first time you do such thing.

http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/



I see that you're fluent at spanish. Not surprised. :rolleyes2:

Please, keep embarrasing yourself. :good_job:

One thing is certain, using stale / outdated data that tends (falsely) to favor your side of the argument is unacceptable. Anything other than the most recent information available (from reputable sources) should be ignored unless, of course, the older material is presented for purposes of chronological comparison.
 
This thread was pointless from the very begining. It was clear soon that we were going nowhere with the germanic vs latin, as Finland, Kwait, Qatar, Greece, etc are neither germanic or latin, also there are half latin countries, etc. Then, somebody changed the theory to Cold countries vs Hot countries, but it was clear this theory was also flawed because for example United States can be both cold and hot, Groenland , Russia are cold, etc. Then the theory was changed to being less emotional vs emotional, which, besides being a stupid and wrong stereotype, everybody has seen that Spain is above Sweden, Iceland, Netherlands, Canada, etc in Quality of Life.

End of thread. Next time be more precise, instead of turning around in circles. My .5 cents
 
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Cold countries v hot countries. Sounds like one of Coon's deranged constructions. :petrified:
 
A lot of statistics showing very good position of Spain in the world.

Congrats.

++++++++++++++++++++

Still, Spain remains as a burden to EU finances and economy, as a problem and not as a solution.

@LeBrok spoke some post above, about the "Department of Spanish Propaganda"... well, see what the Economic Minister of Spain is doing... ;)


You know your country's economy is in trouble when the Finance Minister travels to a foreign country to seek out that dying breed known as the daily-newspaper editorial staff. That's exactly what Spanish Finance Minister Elena Salgado did on Monday: she flew to London to speak with the editors of the Financial Times. As the economic news out of Spain has only worsened in recent weeks, the British paper has gone so far as to suggest that the country poses serious risks for the rest of the euro zone. Now the Spanish government has embarked on a campaign to convince the paper — and the rest of the financial world — that the worries are unjustified.


While other European nations like France and Germany — and even Britain — are beginning to show signs of economic growth, Spain remains stuck in recession. Results from the fourth quarter of 2009, which will be released on Thursday, are expected to show 0.1% contraction in gross domestic product, which would make Spain the only G-20 country not to have experienced expansion during that period. In fact, the International Monetary Fund has predicted that Spain will remain mired in recession until 2011.

Other recently released statistics are just as grim. In January, unemployment reached 18.8%, the highest level by far in the European Union, where the average is 9.5%. Although still lower than the E.U. average, the debt-to-GDP ratio has also doubled in the past year, to 55%. "The are significant problems in Spain," says Fernando Broner, an economist at the Barcelona-based Center for Research in International Economics. "And we may find out there are even more corpses buried. We hear a lot about how Spanish banks were prevented from purchasing American toxic assets. But they've managed to create their own toxic assets."

Spain's difficulties stem from its once disproportionately inflated housing and construction industry, which has been particularly hard hit by the global economic downturn. When unemployment skyrocketed in the wake of that industry's collapse, the government responded by spending billions on emergency job-creation plans. Now it has a deficit of 11.4% to show for its efforts — one of the highest in the E.U.

Analysts say that Spain's deficit, coupled with the debt problems in other Mediterranean countries (Greece, for one, has a deficit of 12.7%), poses a serious threat to the stability of the E.U. "The euro zone could drift, essentially with a bifurcation, with a strong center and a weaker periphery,"

Note: This could be what inspired the original thread of @Edao.


New York University economist Nouriel Roubini warned last month at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. Paul Krugman, a Nobel Prize–winning economist, didn't help matters when he wrote in his blog for the New York Times on Feb. 2 that "the biggest trouble spot isn't Greece — it's Spain." Fears about rising deficits in those two countries and Portugal triggered a drop in European markets at the end of last week; Spain's IBEX fell to its lowest level in 14 months. The Dow Jones industrial average also closed below 10,000 for the first time in three months on Monday because of concerns about the debt loads in the three countries.
(Read about Greece's troubled economy.)

But not all analysts believe that the comparisons with troubled Greece, whose attempts at budget reform are now being strictly monitored by the E.U., are fair. Broner says there's an important quantitative difference between the two countries. "Spain would need six or seven years of deficits to be in the situation Greece is in," he says. And Sara Baliña, a Spanish economics expert at the Madrid-based consortium International Financial Analysts, notes that although the markets are punishing both countries for a lack of credibility when it comes to deficit reduction, Spain is in a better position to right itself. "It wasn't very long ago that Spain actually had a surplus," she says. "Its savings rate is still respectable. It's been able to take measures that are proving to be effective."

That's exactly what the Spanish government is trying to prove. Last week, it announced an austerity plan that would raise the retirement age from 65 to 67 and would cut 50 million euros ($68.5 million) from the budget by 2013 — enough, it says, to reduce the deficit to an E.U.-mandated 3%. And in London on Monday, Secretary of State for the Economy Jose Manuel Campa, who traveled with the Finance Minister and held his own meetings with the media, assured investors that the government was prepared to make even more cuts if necessary.

But doubts remain. Although the International Financial Analysts firm has run simulations showing that the proposed budget cuts are feasible, it sees the government's projected income as "optimistic." And after years of rigid job protection, and with unions already threatening strikes, many question whether the government will have the backbone to enforce the reforms, and whether, on their own, they will be enough.

"Those measures are important to prevent a fiscal meltdown, but they're not enough to get the economy back on track," says Daniel Gros, director of the Brussels-based Centre for European Policy Research. "If it wants to do that, Spain is going to need to either cut wages or increase the workweek. And because of the oversupply of housing, it's going to have to get used to the fact that its economy could be weak for a very long time."

Source:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1962142,00.html?xid=rss-topstories
 
UK is in a worst finantial situation than Spain. Spain public national debt is 20 points below european average. I'm not surprised your source is "anglo-saxon", as Cambria Red have said this is just an speculative move against the euro.


With the lack of vision you are showing I'm not surprised that USA is still managing Mexico as their back junk room.
 
One of the theories about why the Iberian countries (Portugal and Spain of course) passed from pioneers and superpowers to "undeveloped" countries was due the damage made by the Catholic Counter-reformation . The arts and sciences were censored, and the capitalism, the profit, were seen as reprehensible by the religious, an impure, a shameful thing. This had direct impact on the economy.

And if you see there is a pattern: the richer european countries are Protestant, and the less rich are Catholics
 
One of the theories about why the Iberian countries (Portugal and Spain of course) passed from pioneers and superpowers to "undeveloped" countries was due the damage made by the Catholic Counter-reformation . The arts and sciences were censored, and the capitalism, the profit, were seen as reprehensible by the religious, an impure, a shameful thing. This had direct impact on the economy.

And if you see there is a pattern: the richer european countries are Protestant, and the less rich are Catholics
Read again the thread. We have talked about the 40 years of Dictatrship in Spain. And also talked about Spain and Portugal being above many germanic countries in GDP and Quality of Life.
 
I agree, that could be the most important reason.
 
The richest european zones are northern Italy, Bavaria and the Ruhr. Plenty of catholics. UK anglicanism (the older) shares most of its ethics with catholicism.

Spain couldn't develope capitalism as fast as northern countries because most of the monetary resources went to pay european bankers loans. King Ferdinand (who tried to "make" a male child till his last days) knew that if Spain joined its future to the German Empire it would be catastrophical. Spain paid most of religion wars and Habsburg's adventures. Since the spanish decandence till "today" Spain it's been involved in several wars, five of them civil without counting the independence of the american colonies. Too much.
 
One of the theories about why the Iberian countries (Portugal and Spain of course) passed from pioneers and superpowers to "undeveloped" countries was due the damage made by the Catholic Counter-reformation . The arts and sciences were censored, and the capitalism, the profit, were seen as reprehensible by the religious, an impure, a shameful thing. This had direct impact on the economy.

And if you see there is a pattern: the richer european countries are Protestant, and the less rich are Catholics

Yup. That's one of the classical theories.

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=355193&postcount=22
 
One of the theories about why the Iberian countries (Portugal and Spain of course) passed from pioneers and superpowers to "undeveloped" countries was due the damage made by the Catholic Counter-reformation . The arts and sciences were censored, and the capitalism, the profit, were seen as reprehensible by the religious, an impure, a shameful thing. This had direct impact on the economy.

And if you see there is a pattern: the richer european countries are Protestant, and the less rich are Catholics

There's some truth in your words but you're exagerating also. France, Belgium and Italy are protestant countries? That's new to me.

And by the way the only "undeveloped" catholic countries to exist today are in America (from Rio Grande to Cape Horn) and some in Africa and Asia. And the origins of their poor economic situation has nothing to do with religion but the fact that their original cultural legacy comes from civilizations inferior to the european. Otherwise the european catholic countries would be in the same state of third-worldism as them.

Greetings.
 
Nothing is forever and there is no evil that lasts a hundred years. As a citizen I have never seen a struggle between northern and southern Europe, these battles were other times. Spain has been isolated from Europe and the world due to a dictatorship, the gap with other countries of course, times are tough now, but we are prepared to thrive, Spain's sporting success in Europe and the world are a good barometer indicating our intentions for the future, 40 years of dictatorship in isolation mean nothing to the Spanish fury of centuries, millennia, have had a few decades to forget our luck, but now and in the future are going to have to get used to the weight of Spain in Europe and the world, as it always has been, "you believed it would be so easy to deliver you from us? some of which have learned to be gentlemen, who toured the world and fought a thousand battles, what you want to ignore those? those who attempt to invade and dominate without success, the homage and respect that you should underestimate and will you ignore?, money is about to turn and Spain this time not lose the train, we do not need the help that they gave us, while we rotted for 40 years of dictatorship, we have enough guts to go back to being what a day we went, we fed very well all these years, now wait a bit and watch.
 
I've always wondered why Middle and South American countries aren't up to the level of the Northern American countries and other British colonies like Australia and New Zealand in terms of standard of living! Must be some reason behind this difference?
 
Don't forget Canada. It should be analyzed finally. Also Singapore was a British colony, is doing great but majority are not white Europeans.
On other hand Japan, and south Korea are doing great, not being colonized by the British.
Shanghai, was the tiger of east, but had influence of 4 colonial powers. That's before Chinese communist invasion.
 
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