Link me in which you refer,
Its odd that croatians, bosnians, montenegrians, albanians and serbians all want a piece of the illyrian DNA solely to justify their identity and lay claims to lands . But Illyrians did not see themselves as Illyrians, they all had different DNA, they all had different dynasties, they warred against each other and never aligned with each other in any major degree except Teuta in the south against the Romans and previuosly when 2 tribes united against Macedonia of Philip II and his son Alexander. The illyrians never laid claims beyond the Drin river as south of this was either epirote and later macedonian lands.
The naming of Illyria was firstly a greek name and later used by the Romans to indicate varoius tribes/people who had different cultures and languages in a geographical area named Illyria/Illyricum. Its like the Sarmatians where all different peoples and their huge lands had different races..........another is the Golden Horde and many many more
So what your trying to tell me is that Romans and Greeks called them Illyrians even though they were different people? No. The Illyrians were called Illyrians because they spoke the same language and culture. Even though they didn't have a civilized nation like the Greeks and Romans. of course they didn't call themselves
Illyrians this is a name from Greeks and Romans, but for some reason Liri means free in Albanian. Anybody know if this word is from Latin or Greek? And yes, they vaged war against eachother. There was an arguement that Albanians don't have war against eachother.. ummm Albanians have blood feuds against eachother more than any other Balkan nation, statistics from the 90's shows 3000 people died a year due to Blood feuds between Clans. And this is probably still the same but the murders are not recorded because nobody reports to the police. It's an eye for an eye, they take the law into their own hands, and if you must know the region of Tropoja in North Albania, bordering Kosovo.. is the most lawless place in the Balkans. Police have no control over that place, it's run by outlaws. illyria was like the wild wild west? well Albania is known for being europes wild wild west. Still this isn't any arguement at all.. And if Illyrians were sea people? So what? They couldn't all of been. they lived in a mountanious region, at some point in time when invadors came they must of moved to the mountains? Some Illyrian tribes are described by historians as mountanious people. Maybe this is where the Albanian language developed. also Marin Barleti accompanyon of Skanderbeg, a historian and priest from 16th century wrote in this book that Albanians were descendants of Epirotans and ancient-macedonians, he claimed Albanians at one point in time lived in Pelponnese and Macedonia but imigrated north. (Believe it or not but Alexander the great and Pyro of Epirus are national heroes in Albania. They named their currency after them from 1912. Lek which means Alexander. with his head on the currency but yet people are ignoring this all the time, you are ignoring what Medieval Albanians wrote. Albanians didn't make this up, Albanians aren't claiming these things just for national pride but these claims date back 600-700 years ago and interesting enough neither greece, or Bulgarians or whatever fyroms are claimed this ancestry at that time it was only medieval Albanians that did this it was not until after independence from Ottoman empire that FYROMS and Greeks started claiming these people and groups. ) Show me a source of Greeks or Bulgarians during Byzantium empire claim ancient macedonians and Epirots? Alexander and Pyrro? These group of people were only celebrated by medieval Albanians ... but still this is nothing, so many unsolved questions.. the thing is we don't know the truth. anything could of happened in the Balkans. who knows maye Albanians don't have one single ancestor? But I think the problem that we are facing in this mystery to find out the truth, the biggest problem is the arrival of the Slavs, history records this.. I don't know if illyrians mixed with them or what happened, but I think some Illyrians escaped to the mountains, but if the Slavs hadn't come there I think this wouldn't of been such a mystery to find out who is descendant from what group, but now we got so many countries like Serbia, Bosnia, Macedonia, Croatia, Albania etc and we don't know for sure.
And by some historians Dardania isn't even included in Illyria. Seems like Dardanians had their own state and were more civilized. But they were Thraco-Illyrian. So if you mean claiming Kosovo as a land. I don't think south slavs are descendants of Dardanians. If they are Illyrians then why do they speak Slavic? Did Illyrians accept Slavic language but didn't mix with Slavs? No. I don't think so. Because where else did the Slavs go? The Slavs didn't just leave their language in the Balkans and move. history records itself that they settled exactly where today Croatia and Serbia is. Illyrians spoke the same language, that we know for sure, it was closely related to Thracian, some say in Dardania the language became a blend of Thracian and Illyrian. I think during the arrival of the Slavs Illyrians settled for the mountains. And like 80% of Albania is mountains. So how could Illyrians not of been mountanious people? You can't live there without being a highlander unless you live on the sea.
And Dacian is also included with close connection to Illyrians and Thracians. Dacian-Thracian, Thraco-Illyrian-Dacian.
Another theory by a professor is that the ancestors of Albanians lived in central europe.
And Illyrians, Greeks, Epirots, Thracians, ancient-macedonians etc. mixed and intermarried eachother all the time. I think this is enough to explain the close genetic similarities between Albanians and Greeks.
The I2a in greeks and Albanians comes from mixing with South-Slavs. Intermarriages that have been done through time. The Malesors have intermarried Montenigrins through time. Maybe this is why I2a is high in there. The E in Serbs also comes from Albanians that have been Serbianized and these things have actually happened. Albanians that became Serbs and vice versa. Also we are forgetting the Ottoman empire where not only Turks were generals and Pashas but also Albanians, Bosnians, Serbs, Greeks etc. and haplogroups might of spread through this way too.
Why is E so low in Croatians? Maybe because they never had any real contact with Albanians and Greeks?
And I agree with the other post. haplogroups might of come at different times from different areas. But is it a coincidence that celts seem to of been R1b and they were in the Balkans and R1b is also found there in high amounts. is it a coincidence?
So with that logic the I2a in Albanians and Greeks might not come from south slavs, but it's found in high amounts in south slavs, so why not assume it came from them?