Yetos
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First of all, let me ask you this: where is the written historical evidence that pre-roman tribes and cultures of area of today Croatia, Bosnia and western Serbia called themselfs as "Illyrians"? Plz, show to me that kind of evidence where that tribes said that for themselfs, show me the proof where they considered themselfs as "ILLYRIANS". You know what is the real truth here?
Tribes of pre-roman area of today Croatia, Bosnia and parts of Serbia not only that they DIDN'T HAD SAME HAPLOGROUPS as THE REAL Illyrians from Epirus and areas of today Montenegro, BUT THEY WERE NOT ILLYRIANS in the first place.
There is no proof where you can claim that tribes of pre-roman Croatia (Liburnes, Delmati, Japodes, Desitijati, Brekues etc...) were "Illyrians", by who or what they were "Illyrians"? By Romans? Let me laugh at that, you know why? Because Romans did not care much how they will name borders of their provinces, means they didn't cared which tribes will be included into that name of Province, so they would name the province by name of the tribe they had great problems with, in this case - ILLYRIANS from EPIRUS (Teuta & company), means today area of Albania and parts of Montenegro (along with parts of Kosovo etc...)
Now, I will end with this: PEOPLE/TRIBES of PRE-ROMAN time in area of today Croatia, Bosnia and parts of Serbia HAD I2a2 haplogroup dominant back than like they have it dominant TODAY, and tribes of EPIRUS (today Albania) had E1b1b dominant back than as they have it today.
You must be asking yourself, how can this be the case with Croatians, Serbians and Bosnians if they are slavic by linguistic and background origin of their tribes, well, let me enlighten you: original Croats and Serbs were slavic tribes and carriers of R1a, they mixed with romanized population of today Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia on SUCH HIGH LEVEL, that today dominant haplogroup of this three countries IS HAPLOGROUP of people before Croats and Serbs CAME HERE, so in fact YOU COULD TELL that today Croats and Serbs (majority) are BY GENETIC, the autochthonous people of pre-croatian, and pre-serbian time, even though today they are Croats and Serbs, why? Because NATION has nothing to do with ethnic background, and not to mention genetic background. That's all.
Respect and take care, do not take this post as some kind of "attack" on you, I was writting this more for others than for you cheers
Illyrians is a termination given by Greeks to tribes North of Epirus, Not Epirus.
later Romans with their favorite techique named Illyria all Dinaric Alps territory but Pliny the elder gives clear terminology of difference among Illyria and Illyricum.
you are right, above a part of Montenegro there was never Illyria and even Illyrians never used that terminology since it is an exonym.
But later scientists found that Celts from Pannoni Basin moved west of Dinaric Alps to modern Albania, that is mentioned also in Herodotus, were Illyros went away from Thebes to stop Celt invasion,
what left of Illyros and celts created what Greeks call Illyrians and later Pliny names as Illyria proprie Dicti.
simply the misunderstanding (by ignorance or in purpose) is that modern scientists use terminology Illyrian or Illyro -Celts for that part of East Celts, and not to determine Illyrian Proprie populations