Immigration ISlamic State step foot in Europe

[Yetos]

as it seems IS is already in Europe, especially balkans Sweden and UK.

I do not know how much of IS jihadists are from Europe, but the latest news in Balkans show that many Europeans are leaving their countries to fight for IS,

the news from the neighbor country Fyrom (Slavic Makedonia) show that State is about to take measuremnts and put laws in citizens who take part in 'foreign wars'
as it seems 7 citizens are dead in the wars of IS as part of Jihadists forces,
Suleiman Retzepi head of the muslim community in Skopjie said that it is wrong to take parts in such war, but seems low income boys and religion foundamentalists are fascinated from the islamic heaven.

simmilar case also happened in Albanian Kossovo,
Kossovo goverment face same problem, while Kossovo police arrested an imam and 40 persons that seems to be connected with IS.
According to Pristina news an imam from Gnilanie (spell might be incorrect) named Zekeriah Tsazimi and others who possibly took part in Afganistan as Talimban forces and Syrria war as Jihadists forces, were found and areested for collecting and gathering young boys to fight for IS.

considering that the most known Jihadist is a Britsh woman Muhajirah fi Sham Khadijah Dare and a Swedish abu Bakr and an Australian citizen, seems IS is stronger than we believe.
estimations give 120 000 Jihadists fighting most of them from abroad, meaning non Syrrians non Iraqis,

I think it is time for EU to take an act, it is our citizens who envolved in the massacres, it is our citizens who cut heads,

Al qaida seems an innocent lamp infront of that Hydra named IS

watch video about british Jihadists

IMAGINE THESE JIHADISTS ONE DAY THEY WILL RETURN TO EUROPE, THEY WILL LIVE AMONG US, THEY WILL SAVE THEIR BEARDS AND BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, OR ..

JUST FORBID THEM RETURN TO EU, USA, AND REST,

IF THE GENOCIDE MAKERS, THE BUTCHERS, WANT TO BE MARTYRS, LET THEM BE THERE, ISOLATED,

 

[bicicleur 2]

those who return to Belgium are free
'lack of solid evidence to condemn them'
they claim they didn't commit any violence, they just went there to supply 'humanitarian aid'
and we have to believe them for there word
if you have any comments, you are considered a racist yourself

 

[Yetos]

those who return to Belgium are free
'lack of solid evidence to condemn them'
they claim they didn't commit any violence, they just went there to supply 'humanitarian aid'
and we have to believe them for there word
if you have any comments, you are considered a racist yourself

all the world produce killers and mercenairies,
but what happens there is not war. it is horror,
a kind of apocalypse now.

 

[Yetos]

Fort Hood massacer

his name is Nidal Hasan,
he was a military psychiatrist.
in 5/11/2009 he killed 13 troopers of USA army, inside Fort Hood, just before moved to Afganistan.
in his apologise he said that he did that cause he did not want to go Afganistan!!!!!

Today is asking from Abu bakhr to be a 'proud' citizen of islamic state!!!!

he was born and grew up and study in USA!!!!
seems Islamic state in not a state but an international country.
we Speak about another kind of Globalization, different than that of Banks

PS
ww3 is near?

 

[John Doe]

Fort Hood massacer

his name is Nidal Hasan,
he was a military psychiatrist.
in 5/11/2009 he killed 13 troopers of USA army, inside Fort Hood, just before moved to Afganistan.
in his apologise he said that he did that cause he did not want to go Afganistan!!!!!

Today is asking from Abu bakhr to be a 'proud' citizen of islamic state!!!!

he was born and grew up and study in USA!!!!
seems Islamic state in not a state but an international country.
we Speak about another kind of Globalization, different than that of Banks

PS
ww3 is near?

Indeed. The difference between IS and other militant groups in the area, is that the latter still wish to create a large ARAB Muslim country, they are Islamic fanatics while also still clinging to Arab nationalism, still wishing to create a nation state. IS is different, it no longer talks about the "Arab world", it doesn't recognise nation states or normal borders, it recognises only the Islamic Caliphate, which they believe needs to conquer the world. Therefore it's self evident that many of their members aren't Arabs.

 

[Yetos]

I read today somewhere that over 1400 British girls from Oxford to south Yorkshire were raped,
I also read about an imam who teaching 'white girls must be punished'

is it true? more than 6 years and some were afraid to talk about or search about in case they will be accused for racism?

what is happening? is modern Europe so civilized to accept rapes, in the name of anti-racism?

 

[John Doe]

I read today somewhere that over 1400 British girls from Oxford to south Yorkshire were raped,
I also read about an imam who teaching 'white girls must be punished'

is it true? more than 6 years and some were afraid to talk about or search about in case they will be accused for racism?

what is happening? is modern Europe so civilized to accept rapes, in the name of anti-racism?

Unfortunately that's what happens when we fail to assimilate people who come from a radically different way of life. When we tolerate the intolerable, that's what happens. This shows that perhaps we took multiculturalism too far, without a doubt if we allow this kind of thing to happen, we will regret it. Tolerating and ignoring the intolerable and dangerous is unacceptable, this should be dealt with an iron fist, and radicals such as that imam (who in many cases aren't even citizens) should be deported, we also need to make a greater effort in assimilating people who believe rape is fine and that sheilas are property.

 

[Yetos]

and offcourse, could Islam leave alone Deutschland? NO

the photo speaks by it shelf.

thank Gods we did not see Shariah judges yet.

 

[Yetos]

Some statistics given to news today,
930 person from France are envolved with Jihadist of IS
36 are killed
about 80 are underaged
170 want to go
and 180 want to return
and over 350 are already there

 

[John Doe]

Some statistics given to news today,
930 person from France are envolved with Jihadist of IS
36 are killed
about 80 are underaged
170 want to go
and 180 want to return
and over 350 are already there

These numbers are frightening.

 

[Yetos]

The first Jihadist from Greece is found yesterday,
He comes from family who enter illegal Greece at 90's ask for Asylum and become Greek citizen at 2001.
he is of muslim Syrrian ancestry. he joined the IS at July,
but seems there a core of Jihadists exist in Greece Athens,

the Illegal immigration in Greece and Italy is huge, reaching tenths of thousands even hundrends of thousands,
that is why EU FRONTEX developed here.
strange is that people 80% lack of pappers,
such case is a Azzedin AlFourati a well known Jihadist, which pass from Syrria to Turkey, enter through sea Illegally to Greece in a boat with hundrends of illegal immigrants, and finally manage to to go Austria where he was caught.
his passage to greece as also his easy way to Austria is considered Strategical,
he is believed that wanted recruits for his troops.
Greek police estimates that he manage to recruit more than 15 young people, all of them from Illegal immigration families but Austrians stop his plans so the group dismissed, except this young man whose pathion become truth, to fight for IS.

the first response from Greek authorities is to take back his passposrt.
it seems like majority of European Jihadists in IS are sons of immigrants,
tolerate the untollerant.

 

[Ike]

those who return to Belgium are free
'lack of solid evidence to condemn them'
they claim they didn't commit any violence, they just went there to supply 'humanitarian aid'
and we have to believe them for there word
if you have any comments, you are considered a racist yourself

We should let the group somewhere in desert and then drop an atheist nuke.

 

[Garrick]

This is the map, here someone can see two parts: Orobpa and Andalus in Europe.

New Islamic Caliphate in Europe according to ISIS will be on the borders of Republic of Poland, Czech Republic, Federal Republic of Germany, Italian Republic, French Republic etc.

 

[John Doe]

This is the map, here someone can see two parts: Orobpa and Andalus in Europe.

New Islamic Caliphate in Europe according to ISIS will be on the borders of Republic of Poland, Czech Republic, Federal Republic of Germany, Italian Republic, French Republic etc.

Those religious fanatics are deluded, they think they're living in the 8th century C.E, they need to see a doctor.

 

[Angela]

Amen to that. However, I think it's dishonest to posit this kind of behavior as particularly "Islamist" or Middle Eastern in its essence.

The type of behavior we're seeing in the Middle East today seems to be as old as man, and as recent as the butchery in the Balkans, Rwanda, Cambodia, Nazi Germany, you name it. The only difference is we're seeing it up close and personal and it's happening to people like us. Sometimes the stated reason is "ethnic" purity or "ethnic" cleansing, sometimes it's anti-semitism, or insane racist ideologies of one type or another. Other times it's politics or religion. In my opinion they're just variations on a theme.

It can make you despair of being human. As a woman, I suppose I particularly focus on what is happening to women there, and what happened to them in the Balkans and Rwanda, for example. How can a child born of a woman do these things to other women? Have they no mothers, no sisters? Where does this soul sickness come from?

This 2008 book is a difficult read but an important one:
http://www.drdondutton.com/Papers/Review_dutton_genocide_massacres_120913.pdf

Maybe it goes back to our primitive animal ancestors? Look at this recent study posted at Dienekes.blogspot.com
http://www.dienekes.blogspot.com/2014/09/murderous-chimps.html

Lethal violence as "adaptive". I love this value netural stance...not!

As for me, I think men like this are just evil. People talk about designer babies, and adjusting the genome. Well, the first order of business ought to be to figure out what genes code for this kind of vicious, violent, psycho-sexual behavior and then eradicate them from the human genome.

 

[John Doe]

Amen to that. However, I think it's dishonest to posit this kind of behavior as particularly "Islamist" or Middle Eastern in its essence.

The type of behavior we're seeing in the Middle East today seems to be as old as man, and as recent as the butchery in the Balkans, Rwanda, Cambodia, Nazi Germany, you name it. The only difference is we're seeing it up close and personal and it's happening to people like us. Sometimes the stated reason is "ethnic" purity or "ethnic" cleansing, sometimes it's anti-semitism, or insane racist ideologies of one type or another. Other times it's politics or religion. In my opinion they're just variations on a theme.

It can make you despair of being human. As a woman, I suppose I particularly focus on what is happening to women there, and what happened to them in the Balkans and Rwanda, for example. How can a child born of a woman do these things to other women? Have they no mothers, no sisters? Where does this soul sickness come from?

This 2008 book is a difficult read but an important one:
http://www.drdondutton.com/Papers/Review_dutton_genocide_massacres_120913.pdf

Maybe it goes back to our primitive animal ancestors? Look at this recent study posted at Dienekes.blogspot.com
http://www.dienekes.blogspot.com/2014/09/murderous-chimps.html

Lethal violence as "adaptive". I love this value netural stance...not!

As for me, I think men like this are just evil. People talk about designer babies, and adjusting the genome. Well, the first order of business ought to be to figure out what genes code for this kind of vicious, violent, psycho-sexual behavior and then eradicate them from the human genome.

Yeah, I Suppose this behavior hasn't been exclusively middle eastern or Islamic at all.

 

[Yetos]

guys it is more than that.

the 15 year old that escape, describes an industry of moneys, through many things, that we can not imagine, they multiply with tremendous rythm,
20 girls from 14 to 18 pregnant by same man,
they buy and sell human bodies, as slaves, and not as working class.
on the other hand I do not know globall policy of some countries,
I do not know if all of that is a plan and not a mistake,

return to jungle or not,
return to nature or not,
Apokalypto or not
Apocalypsis or not,
it is a fire, with no protection zones.

 

[LeBrok]

Yeah, I Suppose this behavior hasn't been exclusively middle eastern or Islamic at all.

That's right. The difference is that Western World learned to be tolerant, but Near East didn't.

 

[Garrick]

they think they're living in the 8th century C.E

There is something that requires a lot of knowledge for understanding.

Why some Christian Balkan nations (Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs, etc.), better understand the problem than Northern European people, because their ancestors were 500 years under Islamic rule and Sharia law.

It was a life full of pain and anguish, with much sacrifice, under Sharia law the life for non-Muslim is very hard.

Viewed from today's perspective, it's a great miracle why some Christian Balkan nations choose the path of sacrifice and torment, they could convert to Islam and would have a same rights as all Muslims, and the pressure would be on people north of Balkan, probably the big part of Europe (or whole) would be islamized.

Peoples of East and Southern Europe, tomorrow can live in Islamic society under Sharia law. And Western Europe too. This is real option. And I'm not someone who intimidate, on the contrary, I'm just saying what is the possible option. Maybe tomorrow most of Europe (voluntary) embrace Islam, as in the Balkan some nations mostly (Albanians, Bosniacs, etc) once did.

I had debate in another topic.

First to say, Islam is big religion, and deserves respect. We need to know some basics. Nothing like that occurred as Islam in human history.

Islam is not religion as Christianity, etc., more accurately, Islam is not only religion. Islam is political and legal system, sociocultural system, includes all from male-female relations to the organization of the whole society. Islamic thinkers emphasize that Islam is totality, and for life of human being, and for whole society.

(Islam is much broader in scope, than for example communism).

And there is another important thing. Islam is mission. Mission of Islam is: Whole world Caliphate. In other words when one area becomes predominant Muslim, it goes on to other areas, until one day entire world becomes Muslim.

In fact they do not live in the eight century, they seek to fulfill the mission, and Islam is actual and fashionable, every day gains new followers.

 

[LeBrok]

First to say, Islam is big religion, and deserves respect. We need to know some basics. Nothing like that occurred as Islam in human history.

Islam is not religion as Christianity, etc., more accurately, Islam is not only religion. Islam is political and legal system, sociocultural system, includes all from male-female relations to the organization of the whole society. Islamic thinkers emphasize that Islam is totality, and for life of human being, and for whole society.

So was Christian Europe during middle ages. Europe went through terrible religious wars too, but since renaissance new ideas of equality, democracy and putting human in center of ideologies, not god, brought us to tolerant and inclusive times. There is no reason to conclude that Muslims can't go through same process. European Muslims are much more tolerant afterall, not less than European Christians.
And when, after all the religious killings, Europeans got tolerant towards their countryman of other faith, there were still strong nationalistic and ethnic prides destroying Europe and the world. Remember both World Wars?
Yes, Christian Europe wasn't a poster child either.

And there is another important thing. Islam is mission. Mission of Islam is: Whole world Caliphate. In other words when one area becomes predominant Muslim, it goes on to other areas, until one day entire world becomes Muslim.

It was exactly same mission European Christians had in middle ages. The crusades never stopped till last pagan was either converted or dead, and all europe was christian. I would say, that it is normal for every religious man and woman to want the whole world to be of their religion. It would vindicate their beliefs to the true one. Physically ture one, not just true in their hopes. If everybody believes in same god, then everybody can't be wrong, therefore god exists. And it was all mighty's will to make everyone believe in him, and his religion won and is the strongest and only one.
There is some tribal instinct in it too. Everybody wants their country to be the strongest, greatest, biggest, and it would be perfect if it conquered the whole world. Or even better, the country is so great that everybody would love to join the union by free will.

I believe that even if whole Europe would turn to Islam or staid pagan, Europe would have same tolerant character and segregation of religion from state, as we have it right now. It wasn't Christianity that made Europe prosperous and tolerant, but unleashing of human spirit and freedom of ideas, which started in renaissance.