Crime 150+ dead after Terrorist attacks in Paris

[Angela]

what a phantasy
I think your mind is pretty messed up, lady

Amen. Reality isn't bad enough; we need bizarre conspiracy theories.

 

[kyrani99]

what a phantasy
I think your mind is pretty messed up, lady

What fantasy do you see?
I am not alone in saying this. It is now the opinion of many engineers. The fire being too hot for the structural steel isn't accepted anymore by many professional people, who understand about such constructions, and then there was the building that wasn't even hit. What about that?

There is no denying that the building came down in controlled demolitions. That can't happen without explosives being planted on every other floor or so and it can't happen overnight. How could that be done by any outsiders? It would have taken a year or more in order to be unseen. Can you think of any way?

Furthermore the results were wars so mythical "weapons of mass destruction" that were never found. AND the patriot act that has affected almost every country in the world.

 

[Yetos]

According to Reuters' twitter account a second has been confirmed.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/665643361748066306

Until now nothing official
Reuters is spreading rumors,
in the first case,
All procedure ws done according EU laws and directives,
so that means that the chaance of terrorists pass as refugges is 1/800 000
but that is until now,
Anyway officially Greece and Frontex had warned about that the rest of EU,

something strange is the role/part of a woman,
something Big might break, cause as it seems some international organisations for Aid to refugges might be involved,
from I hear and Read all of EU is searching a woman that was in Greece as helper of immigrants/invaders, as member of an organisation,
that is till unofficially,
but it is spread through media,

 

[bicicleur 2]

The Egyptian passport has been traced to someone who is in intensive care in a hospital.

I don't know how many "real" identities will ever be attached to most of these people. The passports found seem to be "false". Others weren't even carrying passports, and there's not much left of some of them for identification purposes. The only reason we know the identity of the French national is because they found a finger and he had a criminal record.

Some of these people may actually be Syrians, some might be French nationals sneaking back into the country. Who knows or will ever know? The point is that because these migrants weren't vetted or can't be vetted, the borders are essentially open.

Europe has to figure out what to do about it. I just saw a French senator on CNN saying that the EU should concentrate on building up patrols in the Mediterranean, and sending as many people back as possible. Is that even possible under EU rules, however? I don't think so. I suppose the rules can be changed, but if they want to do that they'd better get busy. Also, what to do about the people who are already here? Do they even know where they are so that some attempt could be made to vet them?

indeed the rules have to be changed, they are made by people living in an ivory tower without common sense

some of these rules are European rules
some of the rules to be changed are the Convention of Geneva which were later amended by the UN

it states that refugees should have full citizenship rights in the country were there refugee status is approved and that this is permanent and irreversible
they also benefit of the same social benefit as the countries inhabitants even though they've never contributed nor worked there before
somebody who asks for refugee status has to be responded asap, which forces a hasty decision by the government

to change these UN rules it would take the agreement of 150 member states
so I guess these rules will stay, but in practice they will become more and more meaningless, as the UN itself
and Europe, it has always tried so hard to be the best pupil in the UN class

 

[epoch]

The Egyptian passport has been traced to someone who is in intensive care in a hospital.

I don't know how many "real" identities will ever be attached to most of these people. The passports found seem to be "false". Others weren't even carrying passports, and there's not much left of some of them for identification purposes. The only reason we know the identity of the French national is because they found a finger and he had a criminal record.

Some of these people may actually be Syrians, some might be French nationals sneaking back into the country. Who knows or will ever know? The point is that because these migrants weren't vetted or can't be vetted, the borders are essentially open.

Europe has to figure out what to do about it. I just saw a French senator on CNN saying that the EU should concentrate on building up patrols in the Mediterranean, and sending as many people back as possible. Is that even possible under EU rules, however? I don't think so. I suppose the rules can be changed, but if they want to do that they'd better get busy. Also, what to do about the people who are already here? Do they even know where they are so that some attempt could be made to vet them?

Withdraw from the Geneva refugee treaty, or its 1967 expansion to cover the entire world. Denounce everything the EU has signed since.. somewhere around 2005. Rebuild European defenses. Make official denouncements of all the idiots that keep blaming this on how the West or Europe treats the world. In the strongest possible words.

It may seem like the downfall of the EU may not happen but the fact (!) that at least two terrorists came in via the regular asylum way is a time bomb under the EU, as its rules apparently forbids countries to stop these people from coming in. If they want to save the union something need to be done. Eastern-European countries already are rebelling against some of the EU's regulations. There is a rule in politics: What can not continue forever, won't.

O, and make asylum temporary. War gone, you go back.

 

[Fire Haired14]

News Twitter Account had Knowledge of planned Terrorist attack in Paris

A twitter account named PZFeed Ebooks posted about a terrorist attack in Paris two days before it occurred. Their death/injured number is almost exactly what the actual death/injured number was. This is no coincidence!!! The account has been banned by twitter, and hopefully we'll learn how this account knew of the attacks before they occuered and the people who had foreknowledge will be severely punished(executed).

 

[epoch]

A twitter account named PZFeed Ebooks posted about a terrorist attack in Paris two days before it occurred. Their death/injured number is almost exactly what the actual death/injured number was. This is no coincidence!!! The account has been banned by twitter, and hopefully we'll learn how this account knew of the attacks before they occuered and the people who had foreknowledge will be severely punished(executed).

Fire, every time an attack is done these things appear. Conspiracy nuts then go on about this. NEVER one can find a direct confirmation. Your bullshitfilter [tm] should get off at this point. The date is easily fotoshopped.

 

[Fire Haired14]

Fire, every time an attack is done these things appear. Conspiracy nuts then go on about this. NEVER one can find a direct confirmation. Your bullshitfilter [tm] should get off at this point. The date is easily fotoshopped.

It is a real twitter post from November 11.

http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/q...the-paris-shootings-2-days-before-it-happened

http://www.albawaba.com/loop/debunked-how-twitter-bot-predicted-paris-attacks-768624

I don't trust world leaders in the Democratic world. In school as kids were taught Democracy is the greatest thing ever and our societies are perfect. It hides the fact human nature is evil. Democracy doesn't change that. Our leaders are certainly doing evil things behind closed doors. Why did America and others fund Islamic groups that helped lead to ISIS? Why is Europe blindly letting in millions of Refugees and has such open borders?

 

[epoch]

There are obviously already a lot of leftists out there trying to blame the hideous west for these attacks. Noah Chomsky's first response to 9/11 was something like that. I never ever took that man serious afterwards.

Guardian:

Online radicalisation has been growing – a phenomenon not unlike a sect. A lot of this plugs, of course, into a social and economic context of high youth unemployment, especially in suburbs, and racist discrimination against Arabs and Africans.

New Matilda (Aussie leftist site):

Westerners are finally being given just a small taste of the constant fear that people from other nations have endured for generations.

Some Irish politician: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...ised-over-tweet-about-paris-attacks-1.2430575

And so forth. The leftists of the west has had a long tradition of considering itself the bogeyman of the world. It has to stop. It sends the message that we are to be taken. We need, strongly need, to counter these people. They have taken this way too far. It signals a green light for attacks such as these.

No longer will I tolerate these people.

 

[Angela]

There are obviously already a lot of leftists out there trying to blame the hideous west for these attacks. Noah Chomsky's first response to 9/11 was something like that. I never ever took that man serious afterwards. Guardian: New Matilda (Aussie leftist site): Some Irish politician: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...ised-over-tweet-about-paris-attacks-1.2430575 And so forth. The leftists of the west has had a long tradition of considering itself the bogeyman of the world. It has to stop. It sends the message that we are to be taken. We need, strongly need, to counter these people. They have taken this way too far. It signals a green light for attacks such as these. No longer will I tolerate these people.

It's not an either/or situation. I don't see how it can be denied that poor, disadvantaged young men living in ghettos who face discrimination might feel alienated from the larger society and thus be easy prey for this kind of ideology.

On the other hand, Bin Laden was an engineer who was a member of one of the richest families in the world. The 911 bombers were all educated people. A woman was just on CNN, a lawyer, who represents the mother of a 16 year old boy who got radicalized on line and went off to Syria a year ago. The family is Christian, well to do, and the boy was doing well in school.

People are missing the power of "words", of ideology, especially on impulsive and unsophisticated young men, and even more especially on any mentally unstable or alienated people. It doesn't have to be religion either. Nazism and Communism gained their most fanatical adherents in the same way.

 

[Angela]

I just heard on the news that Belgium has the highest number of people going to be trained in Syria. Is that true, and if so, why is that?

 

[Yetos]

that is very interesting,

Ahmet Almuhamed

he started from Syria by foot,

he passed
1 Turkey
2 Greece
3 Fyrom/Albania/Bulgaria (1 of 3 is needed)
4 Serbia
5 Croatia
6 Slovenia
7
then Italy to France?
or Austria Swiss/Deutschland to France,

MEANING HE PASSED 7 or 8 Countries

He was 'written'/spoted only in 3
Greece, Serbia, Croatia,

wow 3/7 countries manage to spot him and written him down,
interesting EU security/safety

 

[epoch]

It's not an either/or situation. I don't see how it can be denied that poor, disadvantaged young men living in ghettos who face discrimination might feel alienated from the larger society and thus be easy prey for this kind of ideology.

Roma and Sinti are far more marginalised in Europe. They face far worse discrimination. The result is a lot of criminal behaviour. Even worse than North-Africans. But they don't deliberately attack innocent civilians in a clear act of war.

Furthermore, I lived in such ghetto's. It is a chosen separation. I also spoke to a lot of these Muslim youths. In the Netherlands, but even in France. One of my best friends used to be an Algerian. I know how this is going. Yes, there is discrimination. But how utterly idiotic do you have to be to start shooting at a Metal concert, who probably are the least discriminating audiences possible? There is NO excuse here.

If anything, these events show that those who disliked the new comers may have been right. I lost friends when they commented on European girls as whores. My Algerian best friend was absolutely not one of them. We nevertheless lost contact.

On the other hand, Bin Laden was an engineer who was a member of one of the richest families in the world. The 911 bombers were all educated people. A woman was just on CNN, a lawyer, who represents the mother of a 16 year old boy who got radicalized on line and went off to Syria a year ago. The family is Christian, well to do, and the boy was doing well in school.

People are missing the power of "words", of ideology, especially on impulsive and unsophisticated young men, and even more especially on any mentally unstable or alienated people. It doesn't have to be religion either. Nazism and Communism gained their most fanatical adherents in the same way.

Exactly.

 

[epoch]

I just heard on the news that Belgium has the highest number of people going to be trained in Syria. Is that true, and if so, why is that?

I don't know if Arthur van Amerongen's "Brussel Eurabia" is translated in English. But it does describe the process that is currently happening.

 

[Yetos]

and some still Believe that Nero 'burned' Rome,

like US president did 9/11
like Hollande did Bataclan
etc etc

 

[Fire Haired14]

Paris - Facebook goes tricolor.
Beirut - nobody cares.
Russian tourist plane - Charlie Hebdo makes caricature.

to many in Europe simply ignore what is happening
if Europe itself is not victim, no reaction
facebook will be tricolore for one week
and then forget again

So true. Because it happened in Europe people are going crazy, while in the same month more died in Nigeria from terrorist attacks. Although France does have more security so this is a bigger deal. People feel self-righteous and patriotic for a week after terrorist attacks then forget about the terrorist attacks. That's what happened with 9/11 in America. It's like someone who after they fail, are pumped up to work hard and prepare for next time, but then give up right away.

And I'm tired of self righteous people just saying "We want Peace" and making the Eiffel tower into a peace symbol. They refuse to blame anyone or to be aggressive. They should saying "Kill ISIS".

 

[Fire Haired14]

There are obviously already a lot of leftists out there trying to blame the hideous west for these attacks. Noah Chomsky's first response to 9/11 was something like that. I never ever took that man serious afterwards.

Guardian:



New Matilda (Aussie leftist site):



Some Irish politician: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...ised-over-tweet-about-paris-attacks-1.2430575

And so forth. The leftists of the west has had a long tradition of considering itself the bogeyman of the world. It has to stop. It sends the message that we are to be taken. We need, strongly need, to counter these people. They have taken this way too far. It signals a green light for attacks such as these.

No longer will I tolerate these people.

Great post. This is how I see it. "Western" nations in the last several 100 years have made most innovations and became the most powerful in the world. Westerners who reacted to the bad in western society are liberals or Lefitist. They did a lot of good, mostly in creating "Democracy"(technically no nation is a democracy) and emphasis on human rights. But some went too far and grew a hate for Westernism, anything that resembles traditional western culture. In their minds everything is the west's fault. Today the extremist form of lefitism is in many ways our establishment. They're hurting Europe and America, by blindly letting in refugees and not supporting fight against ISIS and others who wish to destroy us.

 

[Fire Haired14]

People are missing the power of "words", of ideology, especially on impulsive and unsophisticated young men, and even more especially on any mentally unstable or alienated people. It doesn't have to be religion either. Nazism and Communism gained their most fanatical adherents in the same way.

Yep. You can't blame discrimination when they kill 130 people, you have to just say "It doesn't matter what emotional trama or whatever caused these people to be violent, we need to eliminate them". Ethnic minorities or any-type of minority is also going to be discriminated. You can't stop people from looking at Muslims as weird or miss treating them. That's not the primary problem to solve.

 

[epoch]

Great post. This is how I see it. "Western" nations in the last several 100 years have made most innovations and became the most powerful in the world. Westerners who reacted to the bad in western society are liberals or Lefitist. They did a lot of good, mostly in creating "Democracy"(technically no nation is a democracy) and emphasis on human rights. But some went too far and grew a hate for Westernism, anything that resembles traditional western culture. In their minds everything is the west's fault. Today the extremist form of lefitism is in many ways our establishment. They're hurting Europe and America, by blindly letting in refugees and not supporting fight against ISIS and others who wish to destroy us.

My grandfather was a social democrat. He worked at a mill, and afterwards educated himself. You know why? To become in the same educational sphere as the upper class. Back in the days being left meant elevating the lower class to the same standards of the upper class. I always remember that whenever I hear libertarians speak about the need to take care of yourself: Socialism used to be exactly that.

Nothing of that spirit is left in the current day leftists. They simply follow a script which tries to consider anything non-western as the worlds lower class, which really deserves their revenge on the west.

 

[Tomenable]

that is very interesting,

Ahmet Almuhamed

he started from Syria by foot,

he passed
1 Turkey
2 Greece
3 Fyrom/Albania/Bulgaria (1 of 3 is needed)
4 Serbia
5 Croatia
6 Slovenia
7
then Italy to France?
or Austria Swiss/Deutschland to France,

MEANING HE PASSED 7 or 8 Countries

He was 'written'/spoted only in 3
Greece, Serbia, Croatia,

wow 3/7 countries manage to spot him and written him down,
interesting EU security/safety

Greek border is unfortunately the most porous of all.

In general - even if not in this particular case.