@ Angela,
It was indeed a woman in the elite burial in Peristeria.
This is from Jean Manco's page:
http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/copperbronzeagedna.shtml
Yes, I9033 was a woman from an elite Mycenaean burial in Peristeria, Peloponnese.
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@ Angela,
It was indeed a woman in the elite burial in Peristeria.
This is from Jean Manco's page:
http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/copperbronzeagedna.shtml
The four Mycenaeans are different from each other, to begin with. And Mycenaeans are no more similar to Albanians or the Tuscans or the southern Italians than to Greeks or Greek islanders. This similarity is exaggerated, because the Mycenaeans remain distinct from modern populations. And in any case, this similarity does not mean a genetic legacy of the Mycenaeans in modern populations.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. You're saying that Hellenistic culture wasn't founded by Hellenistic people and they happened to use their "advanced schooling system" to claim that it was? Nothing about that makes sense.
Pratt: And Mycenaeans are no more similar to Albanians or the Tuscans or the southern Italians than to Greeks or Greek islanders.
Pratt: And in any case, this similarity does not mean a genetic legacy of the Mycenaeans in modern populations.
I was just interested because the page in nature.com is locked.@ihype02,
Those stats came from a well-respected poster at anthrogenica.
I wouldn't take the "Slav/Czech" in Tuscans very seriously. Most other analyses peg it as "Germanic", but really it just means generic "Corded Ware" like.
@ihype,
The fact remains that the relatively recent "northern ancestry" in Tuscans and far northern Greeks probably is somewhere between 25%-33%.
I doubt the people that made the study exaggerated.
Where is your PCA from?
Edit: lol voted down for posting a part of the paper. Obviously it comes from a poster with zero integrity since it in no way affected my rep. Keep reaching for straws trying to prove the paper wrong.
The four Mycenaeans are different from each other, to begin with. And Mycenaeans are no more similar to Albanians or the Tuscans or the southern Italians than to Greeks or Greek islanders. This similarity is exaggerated, because the Mycenaeans remain distinct from modern populations. And in any case, this similarity does not mean a genetic legacy of the Mycenaeans in modern populations.
Why are people arguing against this? Do they find it a big shame to descend from them or something? If so, there's always the ancient DNA study crisis hotline. It's the best and most reliable way to connect to a counselor specializing in thisLook at it this way. Three out of four Mycenaeans are closer to modern Greeks than they are to the other Mycenaeans (I9010). The latter fits right in with the Minoans. Even if we include the fourth, the Mycenaean average is very close to modern Greeks. Some modern Greeks are further apart from each other than the Mycenaean average is from Greek populations. And we don't even have specimens of Mycenaeans from Northern Greece. So I guess the continuity depends on which glasses you put on. I mean, if modern Greeks would be overlapping with their Bronze Age ancestors, to me that would be surreal. I will be highly surprised if the Classical Greeks are overlapping with the Mycenaeans.
In any case, it is clear, modern Greeks are not identical to Mycenaeans. But one can make a safe scientific assumption that it is their primary source of ancestry.
Why are people arguing against this? Do they find it a big shame to descend from them or something? If so, there's always the ancient DNA study crisis hotline. It's the best and most reliable way to connect to a counselor specializing in this
condition.
Seriously, what's the fuss?
Edit: Lol I was probably neg rated by the same guy who neg rated jovialis.
On the contrary, they don't want modern Greeks to be descended from them. Some of it is holdover Nordic claptrap, the rest is typical Balkan nonsense. One word: ignore.
EVERYTHING about them points to very decent Steppe ancestry, from physical descriptions to their way of life.
Same thing, though less so, applies to the Latins.
Oh, and I'm sure there's a Sikelliot sock or two around who doesn't want to admit that in some analyses the Southern Italians and Sicilians are more like the Mycenaeans than are the modern mainland Greeks. I mean, what were all those 50,000 posts FOR, after all!
By typical Balkan nonsense I mean something like Classical Greeks are really Albanians. It just goes on and on. Like I said, just ignore.
translate Dupidh, to find out.
Toucans??? LolKnowing all this stuff, had Hellenes been a majority, today's Greeks genetically should have been closer to Armenians, Western Turks, Syrians, Lebaneese-------But instead is close to Toucans, Albanians.
Toscans, it was changed by the software without my consentToucans??? Lol
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