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Communism in Albania [emoji1025]

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What caused it....and what do we learn from it.


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Albania was shut of from the world.
No info was allowed in or out.
Nobody knew what happened over there.
 
bicicleur said:
Albania was shut of from the world.
No info was allowed in or out.
Nobody knew what happened over there.
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Yes that is right.... but know people know what happened.


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The Albanian Ambassador in Italy was a guest speaker at an event in S. Cesaria Terme (Italy) years ago.
He said that in Albania everybody had a job, and that unemployment didn’t exist. The State assigned equal housing to all Citizens, free education and health care. Crime was a rare event.
He said that the Albanian system should be emulated everywhere and that all Albanians were Proud and happy of their Leaders.

We all know what happened after that.
I was there when they came by sea, crossing the Adriatic by the thousands in to Puglia.
We all helped out.
My Father hired 3 to work for him, my Uncle 2, and so on.
They were happy to be in Italy, some wanted to go to other Countries in Europe.
That was then This is now.
Go Albania! :)
 
Romania was infinitely worse: more like North Korea.

People believe what they want to believe; that's why it's usually a waste of time trying to reason with "true believers".

In the middle of the Stalin purges and the proliferation of the gulag camps, while millions of "Kulaks", otherwise known as peasant farmers, were being killed, and there was widespread famine, the fellow travelers here in the west, including a huge portion of the intelligentsia, were extolling the wonders and accomplishments of communism. Even when confronted with the evidence they wouldn't be persuaded.

A lot of people just aren't rational.
 
Angela said:
Romania was infinitely worse: more like North Korea.

People believe what they want to believe; that's why it's usually a waste of time trying to reason with "true believers".

In the middle of the Stalin purges and the proliferation of the gulag camps, while millions of "Kulaks", otherwise known as peasant farmers, were being killed, and there was widespread famine, the fellow travelers here in the west, including a huge portion of the intelligentsia, were extolling the wonders and accomplishments of communism. Even when confronted with the evidence they wouldn't be persuaded.

A lot of people just aren't rational.
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I have lived in communism, all this is true, but this is the effect not the cause, and in addition every country has its own specifics......so according to you communism is choice of irrational people.


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blevins13 said:
I have lived in communism, all this is true, but this is the effect not the cause, and in addition every country has its own specifics......so according to you communism is choice of irrational people.


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I think it depends on the situation, Blevins, both the country and the individual. In America, no one was pointing a gun at fellow travelers like Lillian Hellman, or spies like Alger Hiss, or members of the Communist party, public and secret. The information was there, perhaps not known by the general public, but people who read a lot about foreign affairs knew. The American government certainly proclaimed it and people who escaped from Communist countries talked about it. It didn't matter. They claimed it was all lies.

The British spies for the Russians are a case in point. What a bunch of self-indulgent, deluded idiots. Hopeless drunks, all of them, as well. They were highly placed, they knew what went on in Russia. They thought it was all necessary for their "Brave New World". Well, they didn't go to prison as they deserved, but spending the rest of their lives in their little concrete boxes in their beloved Soviet Union seems to have been punishment enough by all reports.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Five

This is the BBC version of Tinker, Tailor, Soldier Spy with Alex Guiness:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUnxodNndH8

There's a later full movie with Gary Oldman and Colin Firth which is also excellent.


This all goes for all the French and Italian communists too. No one made them become communists. I know what I'm talking about. I have a huge family and all the political persuasions are represented, including communists. They were horrified by the atrocities of the pro-Franco forces in the Spanish Civil War, and those who helped them, but had no tears to shed for the dead at the hands of the leftists. In places they just went into convents and monasteries and executed all the priests and nuns. They didn't give a damn about that.

It's completely different if a country is invaded and communism or fascism, for that matter, is imposed at the end of a gun.

Heck, you know what makes good reading? The reports of the show trials of party members in the thirties in Russia. Some of them confessed so their wives and children would be spared (they weren't), but according to reports from people who met them in the gulag, some of those poor fools were so convinced that Communism was always right, that Stalin and the party apparatus was always right, that after getting arrested on some bs charges, they spent all their time in custody trying to figure out how they unconsciously became enemies of the party and allies of the west. If it weren't so blackly humorous, their self accusation reports could make you weep.

See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Trials

The blindness of the fellow travelers is both riveting and tragic:

"Communist Party leaders in most Western countries denounced criticism of the trials as capitalist attempts to subvert Communism.[30]A number of American communists and progressive "fellow travellers" outside of the Soviet Union signed a Statement of American Progressives on the Moscow Trials. These included Langston Hughes[31] and Stuart Davis,[32] who would later express regrets."

"In Britain, the lawyer and Labour MP Denis Nowell Pritt, for example, wrote: "Once again the more faint-hearted socialists are beset with doubts and anxieties," but "once again we can feel confident that when the smoke has rolled away from the battlefield of controversy it will be realized that the charge was true, the confessions correct and the prosecution fairly conducted",[citation needed] while socialist thinker Beatrice Webb "was pleased that Stalin had 'cut out the dead wood'".[33] Communist Party leader Harry Pollitt, in the Daily Worker of March 12, 1936, told the world that "the trials in Moscow represent a new triumph in the history of progress". The article was ironically illustrated by a photograph of Stalin with Yezhov, himself shortly to vanish and his photographs airbrushed from history by NKVD archivists.[34]"


People who escaped and reported on what was going on with them and with the gulag were accused of lying. Solzhenitsyn also is excellent reading.
 
The bellow are big Truths,

1,
They gather the people and show documentaries of Africa,
Telling them that this is Greece, so Capitalism etc
They explain that Greece was so poor
and that they send corn,
and after 100 km from borders exists lions, and the water is rare,


2,
it is told to me by an Albanian woman from Elbasan at 1993,
'When I first came to marry, (her husband already lived 3 years in Greece'
I was amazed,
I 've seen the kiwi, and I ask my husband,
Wow how come the Greeks are so 'infront' so to produce potatoes hanging on trees instead bellow fround?

3
there is an old lady in the mahalla, from Albania who dreams of Communism era,
when the olders say to her, oh it was so good?
she says yeah, I had vacations every summer, I had a house, etc, laws of labouring etc.
so the ask her,
If Hodxa was alive and Albania was communistic would you go back?
and she says 'Hell yeah'

btw sometimes when her son is near, he says
Yes mother, Thank God Greece has lions to hunt.


All iwant to say is that Communistic Albania was no different than other communistic countries,
only their isolation was a very good tool for the rulling nomen-class to claim whatever
more than 3 000 000 chinese AK47 had Hodxa hidden,

yet for some people life was better than today.

plz not to be misunderstood,
I am not a communist,
and never visit a communistic country except Yugoslavia the times of Communism.


btw
When I visit Albania I must say I could not understand the bellow
cause except 3000000 AK47
also exists more than 700 000 of this

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in places that even you can not imagine.

the heaviest industry of concrete machine-guns pillar shelters/forts/guard-room in the world ever

bunkers-albania-15%25255B6%25255D.jpg




ok today are usefull for young couples :smile: away from public eyes :grin:


the port of Bari Italy

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Yetos said:
The bellow are big Truths,

1,
They gather the people and show documentaries of Africa,
Telling them that this is Greece, so Capitalism etc
They explain that Greece was so poor
and that they send corn,
and after 100 km from borders exists lions, and the water is rare,


2,
it is told to me by an Albanian woman from Elbasan at 1993,
'When I first came to marry, (her husband already lived 3 years in Greece'
I was amazed,
I 've seen the kiwi, and I ask my husband,
Wow how come the Greeks are so 'infront' so to produce potatoes hanging on trees instead bellow fround?

3
there is an old lady in the mahalla, from Albania who dreams of Communism era,
when the olders say to her, oh it was so good?
she says yeah, I had vacations every summer, I had a house, etc, laws of labouring etc.
so the ask her,
If Hodxa was alive and Albania was communistic would you go back?
and she says 'Hell yeah'

btw sometimes when her son is near, he says
Yes mother, Thank God Greece has lions to hunt.
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Lions? You are a joke man.
 
@Yetos,
If you don't stop posting nonsense, irrelevant post I'm going to start deleting them. We were having a serious discussion here, if you didn't notice.
 
In every thread about Albanians, always will be there Yetos, the happy child in socialist country, ready to destroy it. Well done Yetos, well done. Since you are allowed to do it, why not.
 
@Yetos,
To some degree Laberia is correct. You've been given infractions in the past for posts about and to Albanians. Your post here could be taken as disparaging to Albanians. Watch yourself in the future.


Just generally, how any Greek could still be a Communist sympathizer after they took Greek children forcibly from their parents, killing the parents if they protested, and sending the children to indoctrination camps in communist Bulgaria, is totally beyond me. Like I said, willful blindness.
 
LABERIA said:
In every thread about Albanians, always will be there Yetos, the happy child in socialist country, ready to destroy it. Well done Yetos, well done. Since you are allowed to do it, why not.
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For someone who exagerrates, changes history, has as Avatar a Greek king
Signature in Greek, These words are an Honor,

you may run, but if you hide in 'dreams' then you are already in sleep.

Your problem is that I awake you to reality,

Poor boy, needs to sleep to dream of another world.
 
Angela said:
@Yetos,
To some degree Laberia is correct. You've been given infractions in the past for posts about and to Albanians. Your post here could be taken as disparaging to Albanians. Watch yourself in the future.


Just generally, how any Greek could still be a Communist sympathizer after they took Greek children forcibly from their parents, killing the parents if they protested, and sending the children to indoctrination camps in communist Bulgaria, is totally beyond me. Like I said, willful blindness.
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Angela

plz read my post again,

I think you have misunderstood much,

From March to May of 1968 of West Europe does not mean someone is Communist,
Neither obeying as a colonial slave to his master's voice is Free world.
Let the money to capitalists, keep your soul


among them you will find me.
 
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