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Ancient Rome Test (Various Calculators)

I can’t use ADC: 0.25x because R15 is in Vikingia :)

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Jovialis said:
Dodecad K12b Italian samples vs Antonio et al 2019 samples:
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This comparison doesn't make so much sense. You're comparing the results of the samples in an amateur old tool (K12b) with the study that has analized and released these samples.
 
Pax Augusta said:
This comparison doesn't make so much sense. You're comparing the results of the samples in an amateur old tool (K12b) with the study that has analized and released these samples.
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Perhaps you fail to see that these old amateur samples have good fits with the samples from the new study. Almost all of them under 5, to use your standard.
 
Thanks for that post, it seems the Sicilians and Southern Italians, Central Italians map into the Roman samples very well!!!!!. North Italians do so to, but quite the same as the others. Of course, if that 13.97 Marker for Northern Italian is the most distance fit, then the Nordic populations I would hypothesize are going to be much, much, much further away. Would that be a correct interpretation.
 
Ok, Help from my Fellow Americans of Italian ancestry. I have only been on GEDMATCH about 1 month and I am a "Commoner" at Eupedia. Can someone provide a little more clarification on the instructions that Angela gave in the Original post. I would like to run my raw DNA from Ancestry against the ancient Roman samples.

Millie Grazie,
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Ok, Help from my Fellow Americans of Italian ancestry. I have only been on GEDMATCH about 1 month and I am a "Commoner" at Eupedia. Can someone provide a little more clarification on the instructions that Angela gave in the Original post. I would like to run my raw DNA from Ancestry against the ancient Roman samples.

Millie Grazie,
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I am going to explain something in Italian.

Prendi da GedMatch le tue coordinate di Dodecad K12b ed aggiungi all’inizio un nome e una virgola.

per esempio:

Paler,7.31,0,4.59,0.11,27.21,13.41,0.29,0.3,12.09,0.47,33.13,0

Copia le coordinate dei Romani
Vai a:

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/

clicca su uno dei Dodecad K12b,

clicca su SOURCE ed incolla
(se vuoi solo i risultati dei Romani, cancella tutto prima di incollare)

clicca su TARGET ed aggiungi le tue coordinate.

clicca su SINGLE, e se è andato tutto bene clicca sul tuo nome.
 
Distance to: New_Englander
3.95953280 R60___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.29397252 R121__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
4.98184705 R1549_Imperial_Era__Monterotondo
5.01274117 Italy_Lazio
5.26657384 R969__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
6.29007695 Italy_Apulia
6.43431566 Italy_Marche
6.52223121 R835__Imperial_Era__Civitanova_Marche
6.64915032 R36___Late_Antiquity_Celio
6.67253325 R970__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
6.71292783 R54___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.83311786 Italy_Abruzzo
7.19560282 Albanian_Kosovo
7.42528114 R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.87182317 R973__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
7.98444112 R120__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
7.98581868 Italy_Romagna
8.04194628 R107__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
8.19025641 R836__Imperial_Era__Civitanova_Marche
8.29413045 R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
8.68067970 R64___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
8.70839825 Albanian_North
8.74982286 R59___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
9.31055315 R49___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis
9.44677194 Greek

Target: New_Englander
Distance: 0.0753% / 0.07530904
6.0 R107__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
4.4 Assyrian
3.4 Swiss_Italian
3.2 Romanians
3.2 R836__Imperial_Era__Civitanova_Marche
3.0 R1548_Imperial_Era__Monterotondo
3.0 R114__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
2.8 R128__Imperial_Era__Casale_del_Dolce
2.8 R76___Imperial_Era__Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
2.4 Albanian_North
2.4 R43___Imperial_Era__Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
2.4 R136__Imperial_Era__Marcellino_&_Pietro
2.4 R15___Mesolithic____Grotta_Continenza
2.0 Cypriots
2.0 Polish
2.0 R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.0 R111__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
1.8 German
1.8 Lithuanian
1.8 R36___Late_Antiquity_Celio
1.6 Dutch
1.6 Mixed_Germanic
1.6 Samaritians
1.6 R113__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
1.4 Iraq_Jews
1.2 Argyll
1.2 Bosnian
1.2 French
1.2 Greek_Pontus
1.2 Italy_Romagna
1.2 R106__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
1.2 R1543_Imperial_Era__Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
1.2 Yemen_Jews
1.0 Armenian_West
1.0 Belorussian
1.0 British_Isles
1.0 Greek
1.0 Lithuanians
1.0 Orcadian
1.0 R125__Imperial_Era__Casale_del_Dolce
1.0 R17___Neolithic_____Ripabianca_di_Monterado
0.8 Baleares
0.8 Cataluna
0.8 Georgia_Jews
0.8 Hemshin
0.8 Italy_Lombardy
0.8 France_Corsica
0.8 Swedish
0.8 R130__Imperial_Era__Marcellino_&_Pietro
0.8 R72___Imperial_Era__ANAS
0.8 R81___Imperial_Era__Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
0.6 Georgian_Imereti
0.6 Italy_Liguria
0.6 Piramalai_Kallars
0.6 Saudis
0.6 R71___Imperial_Era__ANAS
0.6 R437__Iron_Age_____Palestrina_Selicata
0.6 R2____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
0.6 R19___Neolithic_____Ripabianca_di_Monterado
0.4 Italy_Aosta_Valley
0.4 Kurds
0.4 North_Kannadi
0.4 Spanish
0.4 R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
0.4 R44___Imperial_Era__Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
0.4 R45___Imperial_Era__Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
0.4 R9____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
0.4 R1014_Chalcolithic___Monte_San_Biagio
0.2 Abhkasians
0.2 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh
0.2 French_Basque
0.2 Kurd_Sorani
0.2 Meena
0.2 Pais_Vasco
0.2 Sardinian
0.2 Sindhi
0.2 Valencia
0.2 R35___Late_Antiquity_Celio
0.2 R38___Imperial_Era__Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
0.2 R68___Imperial_Era__ANAS
0.2 R851__Iron_Age_____Ardea
0.2 R473__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
0.2 R6____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
0.2 R3____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza
0.2 R5____Chalcolithic___Grotta_Continenza
 
Not italian.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Juan[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DAFF00, align: right"]6.41493570[/TD]
[TD]R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FBFF00, align: right"]7.38375921[/TD]
[TD]R63___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC600, align: right"]9.16251603[/TD]
[TD]R435__Iron_Age_____Palestrina_Colombella[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8B00, align: right"]10.92343353[/TD]
[TD]R37___Imperial_Era__Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6200, align: right"]12.13097276[/TD]
[TD]R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5D00, align: right"]12.25666757[/TD]
[TD]R1016_Iron_Age_____Castel_di_Decima[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5C00, align: right"]12.30338165[/TD]
[TD]R851__Iron_Age_____Ardea[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5C00, align: right"]12.30844426[/TD]
[TD]R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5000, align: right"]12.63451622[/TD]
[TD]R473__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3C00, align: right"]13.22409921[/TD]
[TD]R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2A00, align: right"]13.76890337[/TD]
[TD]R116__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2900, align: right"]13.79595955[/TD]
[TD]R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1300, align: right"]14.42872136[/TD]
[TD]R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0007, align: right"]15.19995066[/TD]
[TD]R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0007, align: right"]15.20913213[/TD]
[TD]R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF001F, align: right"]15.91327433[/TD]
[TD]R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0077, align: right"]18.50491016[/TD]
[TD]R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0088, align: right"]18.99768933[/TD]
[TD]R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0098, align: right"]19.47222381[/TD]
[TD]R61___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF009C, align: right"]19.58802951[/TD]
[TD]R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00A5, align: right"]19.84794448[/TD]
[TD]R108__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00CD, align: right"]21.03633286[/TD]
[TD]R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00E1, align: right"]21.60851453[/TD]
[TD]R62___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00F0, align: right"]22.06875620[/TD]
[TD]R6____Neolithic_____Grotta_Continenza[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00FA, align: right"]22.35173595[/TD]
[TD]R104__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
Thanks for the comments. Sorry I got the the names mixed up. My problem was thinking you could get a plot of the results on the Antonio et al. (2019, Figure 2) from that program. I did get results. So again thanks. I will try to be clearer with my questions in the future.

Once again, thanks and Cheers.
 
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[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFF00, align: right"]7.51307527[/TD]
[TD]R60___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDA00, align: right"]8.59250836[/TD]
[TD]R969__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFCF00, align: right"]8.91496495[/TD]
[TD]R121__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC300, align: right"]9.25534440[/TD]
[TD]R54___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC300, align: right"]9.27424930[/TD]
[TD]R970__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBC00, align: right"]9.47794281[/TD]
[TD]R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB700, align: right"]9.62239056[/TD]
[TD]R973__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB600, align: right"]9.63967842[/TD]
[TD]R59___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB200, align: right"]9.77036847[/TD]
[TD]R58___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAD00, align: right"]9.92420778[/TD]
[TD]R836__Imperial_Era__Civitanova_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAC00, align: right"]9.92754250[/TD]
[TD]R107__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9A00, align: right"]10.47685544[/TD]
[TD]R835__Imperial_Era__Civitanova_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9A00, align: right"]10.48066792[/TD]
[TD]R1549_Imperial_Era__Monterotondo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9300, align: right"]10.67414634[/TD]
[TD]R49___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8600, align: right"]11.05854421[/TD]
[TD]R36___Late_Antiquity_Celio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8400, align: right"]11.11762565[/TD]
[TD]R64___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8100, align: right"]11.19741935[/TD]
[TD]R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7A00, align: right"]11.42585227[/TD]
[TD]R1544_Imperial_Era__Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7300, align: right"]11.62182000[/TD]
[TD]R65___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6F00, align: right"]11.73109969[/TD]
[TD]R120__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6D00, align: right"]11.80387225[/TD]
[TD]R57___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6C00, align: right"]11.81083824[/TD]
[TD]R53___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6B00, align: right"]11.84085301[/TD]
[TD]R436__Imperial_Era__Palestrina[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6A00, align: right"]11.88219256[/TD]
[TD]R122__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6600, align: right"]12.00688136[/TD]
[TD]R56___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
k12b ancient - no IA-r850 latin outlier here back to imperial area :laughing:
distance: [TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #70FF00, align: right"]3.30708331[/TD]
[TD]R136__Imperial_Era__Marcellino_&_Pietro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #77FF00, align: right"]3.49104569[/TD]
[TD]R1544_Imperial_Era__Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9DFF00, align: right"]4.61632971[/TD]
[TD]R64___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9FFF00, align: right"]4.68362039[/TD]
[TD]R436__Imperial_Era__Palestrina[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A2FF00, align: right"]4.75920161[/TD]
[TD]R53___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A8FF00, align: right"]4.95236307[/TD]
[TD]R54___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ABFF00, align: right"]5.03863077[/TD]
[TD]R114__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BEFF00, align: right"]5.58374426[/TD]
[TD]R65___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CAFF00, align: right"]5.93626987[/TD]
[TD]R973__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DBFF00, align: right"]6.42969673[/TD]
[TD]R35___Late_Antiquity_Celio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E0FF00, align: right"]6.58944611[/TD]
[TD]R50___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E2FF00, align: right"]6.64663073[/TD]
[TD]R49___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EFFF00, align: right"]7.02136739[/TD]
[TD]R58___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F4FF00, align: right"]7.18610465[/TD]
[TD]R56___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F8FF00, align: right"]7.28116749[/TD]
[TD]R60___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FAFF00, align: right"]7.35566448[/TD]
[TD]R122__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FDFF00, align: right"]7.45313357[/TD]
[TD]R1548_Imperial_Era__Monterotondo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFE00, align: right"]7.53091628[/TD]
[TD]R59___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFE00, align: right"]7.54059016[/TD]
[TD]R117__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF100, align: right"]7.90899488[/TD]
[TD]R115__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF000, align: right"]7.94520610[/TD]
[TD]R47___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFEF00, align: right"]7.97989348[/TD]
[TD]R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFED00, align: right"]8.02450622[/TD]
[TD]R121__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE500, align: right"]8.26396999[/TD]
[TD]R51___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE200, align: right"]8.35439405[/TD]
[TD]R137__Imperial_Era__Marcellino_&_Pietro[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
kingjohn said:
k12b ancient - no IA-r850 latin outlier here back to imperial area :laughing:
distance: [TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #70FF00, align: right"]3.30708331[/TD]
[TD]R136__Imperial_Era__Marcellino_&_Pietro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #77FF00, align: right"]3.49104569[/TD]
[TD]R1544_Imperial_Era__Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9DFF00, align: right"]4.61632971[/TD]
[TD]R64___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9FFF00, align: right"]4.68362039[/TD]
[TD]R436__Imperial_Era__Palestrina[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A2FF00, align: right"]4.75920161[/TD]
[TD]R53___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A8FF00, align: right"]4.95236307[/TD]
[TD]R54___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ABFF00, align: right"]5.03863077[/TD]
[TD]R114__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BEFF00, align: right"]5.58374426[/TD]
[TD]R65___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CAFF00, align: right"]5.93626987[/TD]
[TD]R973__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DBFF00, align: right"]6.42969673[/TD]
[TD]R35___Late_Antiquity_Celio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E0FF00, align: right"]6.58944611[/TD]
[TD]R50___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E2FF00, align: right"]6.64663073[/TD]
[TD]R49___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EFFF00, align: right"]7.02136739[/TD]
[TD]R58___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F4FF00, align: right"]7.18610465[/TD]
[TD]R56___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F8FF00, align: right"]7.28116749[/TD]
[TD]R60___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FAFF00, align: right"]7.35566448[/TD]
[TD]R122__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FDFF00, align: right"]7.45313357[/TD]
[TD]R1548_Imperial_Era__Monterotondo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFE00, align: right"]7.53091628[/TD]
[TD]R59___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFE00, align: right"]7.54059016[/TD]
[TD]R117__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF100, align: right"]7.90899488[/TD]
[TD]R115__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF000, align: right"]7.94520610[/TD]
[TD]R47___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFEF00, align: right"]7.97989348[/TD]
[TD]R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFED00, align: right"]8.02450622[/TD]
[TD]R121__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE500, align: right"]8.26396999[/TD]
[TD]R51___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE200, align: right"]8.35439405[/TD]
[TD]R137__Imperial_Era__Marcellino_&_Pietro[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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I have no idea who you are or if these results are "yours". What I do know is that R 850 is half italic and half Chalcolithic Anatolian. Would that describe your purported ancestry?

My husband does get a hit to 850 but I had to increase to 50 and even 75 to get to some samples, because he has so many reasonably good matches.
 
Angela said:
I have no idea who you are or if these results are "yours". What I do know is that R 850 is half italic and half Chalcolithic Anatolian. Would that describe your purported ancestry?

My husband does get a hit to 850 but I had to increase to 50 and even 75 to get to some samples, because he has so many reasonably good matches.
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this results are mine angela
my background again like a broken record :
1/4 aschenazi, 1/4 sefhardi, 1/4 syrian jew , 1/4 bulgarian gentile

yes i know he is a latin outlier for example r851 is very different from r850
which as you said is a mixture of italic+ chl antolia ........
regards
Adam


p,s
but in this ancient rome 1.0 test
my first by distance are imperial romans R136, R1544 not R850
in k13 ancient indeed my second by distance is R850
and in k15 ancient my first by distance is R850
 
My Ancient Roman Results. I am an American of Italian ancestry (Sicilia-Tutti).

My K12B updated coordinates: PalermoTrapani,6.92,0,3.80,0.62,30.54,13.54,0,0.40,12.76,0,31.43,0

My top 50 matches:
Distance to: PalermoTrapani
2.76190152 R52___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.81037364 R56___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.27177322 R122__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
3.34701359 R35___Late_Antiquity_Celio
3.84983117 R131__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
4.10471680 R835__Imperial_Era__Civitanova_Marche
4.16370028 R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.18976133 R437__Iron_Age_____Palestrina_Selicata
4.32090268 R973__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
4.54783465 R49___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis
4.57668002 R117__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
4.82952379 R65___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.83867751 R54___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.03103369 R836__Imperial_Era__Civitanova_Marche
5.30245226 R47___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis
5.32897739 R59___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.43089311 R969__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
5.46635162 R64___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.50746766 R121__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
5.68175149 R107__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
5.70777540 R113__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
5.90403252 R118__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
6.04601522 R136__Imperial_Era__Marcellino_&_Pietro
6.17554046 R58___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.46672251 R1544_Imperial_Era__Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
6.74800711 R436__Imperial_Era__Palestrina
6.76732591 R60___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.77646663 R53___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.20115963 R120__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
7.28579440 R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.62057741 R32___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
8.11539894 R970__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
8.21912404 R137__Imperial_Era__Marcellino_&_Pietro
8.33180653 R30___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
8.85745449 R50___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis
9.01662354 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.08267582 R36___Late_Antiquity_Celio
9.08880080 R111__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
9.26807963 R114__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
9.42151262 R125__Imperial_Era__Casale_del_Dolce
9.94731119 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.97097789 R1549_Imperial_Era__Monterotondo
10.00080497 R51___Imperial_Era__Centocelle_Necropolis
10.36353704 R45___Imperial_Era__Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
11.49942172 R133__Imperial_Era__Marcellino_&_Pietro
11.56716473 R69___Imperial_Era__ANAS
11.63612049 R1548_Imperial_Era__Monterotondo
12.28268293 R39___Imperial_Era__Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
12.32797226 R81___Imperial_Era__Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
12.33247745 R80___Imperial_Era__Viale_Rossini_Necropolis

Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 0.6641% / 0.66410186 | ADC: 0.25x
49.0 R52___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
16.2 R35___Late_Antiquity_Celio
14.8 R835__Imperial_Era__Civitanova_Marche
9.0 R121__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
6.8 R73___Imperial_Era__ANAS
2.8 R80___Imperial_Era__Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
1.0 R56___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
0.4 R136__Imperial_Era__Marcellino_&_Pietro

Appreciate any experts here to provide some commentary. I went to the Antionio et al (2019) supplement results and discussion to look up where in Lazio my closest matches were from.

Thanks and Cheers
 
I don't remember if I posted these.

So, here goes...
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Angela[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DBFF00, align: right"]6.44030279[/TD]
[TD]R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DEFF00, align: right"]6.53661992[/TD]
[TD]R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F3FF00, align: right"]7.14881808[/TD]
[TD]R111__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFCF00, align: right"]8.92554760[/TD]
[TD]R1016_Iron_Age_____Castel_di_Decima[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC200, align: right"]9.30224167[/TD]
[TD]R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBC00, align: right"]9.47417543[/TD]
[TD]R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBC00, align: right"]9.47641282[/TD]
[TD]R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB800, align: right"]9.59990625[/TD]
[TD]R120__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB300, align: right"]9.74779462[/TD]
[TD]R36___Late_Antiquity_Celio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB000, align: right"]9.81179392[/TD]
[TD]R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB000, align: right"]9.81848257[/TD]
[TD]R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9600, align: right"]10.57665354[/TD]
[TD]R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9400, align: right"]10.65957316[/TD]
[TD]R118__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]10.77751827[/TD]
[TD]R473__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8E00, align: right"]10.82190833[/TD]
[TD]R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7F00, align: right"]11.25718437[/TD]
[TD]R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7700, align: right"]11.48748885[/TD]
[TD]R113__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4700, align: right"]12.90000388[/TD]
[TD]R851__Iron_Age_____Ardea[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4400, align: right"]12.99464505[/TD]
[TD]R52___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3C00, align: right"]13.22874522[/TD]
[TD]R969__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3900, align: right"]13.33739855[/TD]
[TD]R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3800, align: right"]13.36636824[/TD]
[TD]R835__Imperial_Era__Civitanova_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3200, align: right"]13.51517665[/TD]
[TD]R970__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1E00, align: right"]14.11183546[/TD]
[TD]R121__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1B00, align: right"]14.21805894[/TD]
[TD]R836__Imperial_Era__Civitanova_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]




[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Angela
Distance: 0.3732% / 0.37320825[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]23.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]14.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R1016_Iron_Age_____Castel_di_Decima[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]10.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R71___Imperial_Era__ANAS[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]8.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R851__Iron_Age_____Ardea[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]7.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]6.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R43___Imperial_Era__Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]6.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R18___Neolithic_____Ripabianca_di_Monterado[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]5.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R106__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]4.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R113__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]4.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R62___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]3.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]2.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R16___Neolithic_____Ripabianca_di_Monterado[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]1.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R32___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]1.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R107__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R11___Mesolithic____Grotta_Continenza[/TD]


Seems like about 55-60% Iron Age and Neolithic, without taking into account the Iron Age ancestry in the Late Antiquity and Medieval Era people. So much for no continuity in Italy from the Iron Age
 
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Angela:

Cool results, Iron Age would be 900 BC to Imperial era around 27 BC. I would think some folks on some of these other non Eupedia DNA forums are not going to like your results being so tied to Iron Age Romans. Of course, this is just an hypothesis and not dogmatic statement of fact.
 
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Here are my matches. I didn't expect close matches between a modern Belgian and ancient Italians, but I do get a few close ones from the Late Antiquity and Medieval periods. My closest Iron Age match is R435 (Palestrina Colombella), but the distance is the same as between me and modern Aosta Valley, Ireland or Scotland.

My closest matches cluster between French, North Italians and Tuscans on the PCA plot.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B7FF00, align: right"]5.37220625[/TD]
[TD]R116__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F5FF00, align: right"]7.20904987[/TD]
[TD]R62___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FAFF00, align: right"]7.36330768[/TD]
[TD]R1288_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC000, align: right"]9.35316524[/TD]
[TD]R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB500, align: right"]9.67124604[/TD]
[TD]R31___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB300, align: right"]9.72943986[/TD]
[TD]R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9B00, align: right"]10.44620505[/TD]
[TD]R1286_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9800, align: right"]10.53946868[/TD]
[TD]R106__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7600, align: right"]11.52549348[/TD]
[TD]R1219_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7400, align: right"]11.58007772[/TD]
[TD]R108__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7000, align: right"]11.70962852[/TD]
[TD]R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5C00, align: right"]12.29774776[/TD]
[TD]R435__Iron_Age_____Palestrina_Colombella[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5800, align: right"]12.42603316[/TD]
[TD]R37___Imperial_Era__Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4000, align: right"]13.11173139[/TD]
[TD]R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1500, align: right"]14.39094507[/TD]
[TD]R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1300, align: right"]14.45028719[/TD]
[TD]R63___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF001F, align: right"]15.92471036[/TD]
[TD]R61___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0030, align: right"]16.40958257[/TD]
[TD]R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0047, align: right"]17.08068793[/TD]
[TD]R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0059, align: right"]17.61555846[/TD]
[TD]R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0082, align: right"]18.83698490[/TD]
[TD]R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00A8, align: right"]19.94637060[/TD]
[TD]R851__Iron_Age_____Ardea[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C9, align: right"]20.90699883[/TD]
[TD]R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D4, align: right"]21.24613377[/TD]
[TD]R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00E2, align: right"]21.64060766[/TD]
[TD]R473__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00E4, align: right"]21.69135312[/TD]
[TD]R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00FB, align: right"]22.39042653[/TD]
[TD]R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F600FF, align: right"]22.77790596[/TD]
[TD]R1016_Iron_Age_____Castel_di_Decima[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


EDIT: Btw, I get 17% Central/South Italian at Living DNA, which slightly more Italian admixture than the Walloon average. My cousin is so far the highest with 20% (note that we do not have any recent Italian ancestry). Some Flemings get 0% while others get as much as 10%. There is definitely more Italian DNA (undoubtedly of Roman origin) among French-speaking Belgians. My Y-DNA also matches those of ancient Latin samples for the deep clade and my modern matches are mostly in central Italy.
 
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Maciamo said:
Here are my matches. I didn't expect close matches between a modern Belgian and ancient Italians, but I do get a few close ones from the Late Antiquity and Medieval periods. My closest Iron Age match is R435 (Palestrina Colombella), but the distance is the same as between me and modern Aosta Valley, Ireland or Scotland.

My closest matches cluster between French, North Italians and Tuscans on the PCA plot.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B7FF00, align: right"]5.37220625[/TD]
[TD]R116__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F5FF00, align: right"]7.20904987[/TD]
[TD]R62___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FAFF00, align: right"]7.36330768[/TD]
[TD]R1288_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC000, align: right"]9.35316524[/TD]
[TD]R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB500, align: right"]9.67124604[/TD]
[TD]R31___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB300, align: right"]9.72943986[/TD]
[TD]R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9B00, align: right"]10.44620505[/TD]
[TD]R1286_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9800, align: right"]10.53946868[/TD]
[TD]R106__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7600, align: right"]11.52549348[/TD]
[TD]R1219_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7400, align: right"]11.58007772[/TD]
[TD]R108__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7000, align: right"]11.70962852[/TD]
[TD]R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5C00, align: right"]12.29774776[/TD]
[TD]R435__Iron_Age_____Palestrina_Colombella[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5800, align: right"]12.42603316[/TD]
[TD]R37___Imperial_Era__Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4000, align: right"]13.11173139[/TD]
[TD]R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1500, align: right"]14.39094507[/TD]
[TD]R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1300, align: right"]14.45028719[/TD]
[TD]R63___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF001F, align: right"]15.92471036[/TD]
[TD]R61___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0030, align: right"]16.40958257[/TD]
[TD]R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0047, align: right"]17.08068793[/TD]
[TD]R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0059, align: right"]17.61555846[/TD]
[TD]R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0082, align: right"]18.83698490[/TD]
[TD]R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00A8, align: right"]19.94637060[/TD]
[TD]R851__Iron_Age_____Ardea[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C9, align: right"]20.90699883[/TD]
[TD]R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D4, align: right"]21.24613377[/TD]
[TD]R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00E2, align: right"]21.64060766[/TD]
[TD]R473__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00E4, align: right"]21.69135312[/TD]
[TD]R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00FB, align: right"]22.39042653[/TD]
[TD]R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F600FF, align: right"]22.77790596[/TD]
[TD]R1016_Iron_Age_____Castel_di_Decima[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Click to expand...

Yes, it all makes sense.

Some of our North Italian members are getting hits of around 4 for some of the Iron Age samples, and Southern Italians get similarly close matches to others.

Some of us get our highest scores with Balkan Bronze Age. I'm wondering if they could perhaps represent some sort of Italic/Celtic source population.
For example...

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]IllyrianDalmatian_I3313[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #79FF00, align: right"]3.56275646[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lombardy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A3FF00, align: right"]4.78770749[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Emilia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A8FF00, align: right"]4.93995082[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Liguria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #AFFF00, align: right"]5.14574766[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Veneto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B7FF00, align: right"]5.39127537[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Piedmont[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CFFF00, align: right"]6.07536254[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Tuscany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DEFF00, align: right"]6.54086099[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFE00, align: right"]7.53474883[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Trentino[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE900, align: right"]8.14842046[/TD]
[TD]France_Corsica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDF00, align: right"]8.45013349[/TD]
[TD]Italy_FriuliVG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDA00, align: right"]8.57974941[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Romagna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB100, align: right"]9.78872702[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Aosta_Valley[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6F00, align: right"]11.74627933[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6500, align: right"]12.03777155[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lazio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5C00, align: right"]12.29336406[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5800, align: right"]12.42080915[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_Kosovo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1200, align: right"]14.46197428[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0032, align: right"]16.46757724[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF004B, align: right"]17.19215810[/TD]
[TD]Extremadura[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0056, align: right"]17.51714611[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Abruzzo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF006B, align: right"]18.13725448[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0077, align: right"]18.50866554[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0083, align: right"]18.86604092[/TD]
[TD]Andalucia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF008A, align: right"]19.05735291[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0090, align: right"]19.22266111[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_Y_Leon[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
Angela said:
Yes, it all makes sense.

Some of our North Italian members are getting hits of around 4 for some of the Iron Age samples, and Southern Italians get similarly close matches to others.

Some of us get our highest scores with Balkan Bronze Age. I'm wondering if they could perhaps represent some sort of Italic/Celtic source population.
For example...

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]IllyrianDalmatian_I3313[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #79FF00, align: right"]3.56275646[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lombardy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A3FF00, align: right"]4.78770749[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Emilia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A8FF00, align: right"]4.93995082[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Liguria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #AFFF00, align: right"]5.14574766[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Veneto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B7FF00, align: right"]5.39127537[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Piedmont[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CFFF00, align: right"]6.07536254[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Tuscany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DEFF00, align: right"]6.54086099[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFE00, align: right"]7.53474883[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Trentino[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE900, align: right"]8.14842046[/TD]
[TD]France_Corsica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDF00, align: right"]8.45013349[/TD]
[TD]Italy_FriuliVG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDA00, align: right"]8.57974941[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Romagna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB100, align: right"]9.78872702[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Aosta_Valley[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6F00, align: right"]11.74627933[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6500, align: right"]12.03777155[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lazio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5C00, align: right"]12.29336406[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5800, align: right"]12.42080915[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_Kosovo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1200, align: right"]14.46197428[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0032, align: right"]16.46757724[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF004B, align: right"]17.19215810[/TD]
[TD]Extremadura[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0056, align: right"]17.51714611[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Abruzzo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF006B, align: right"]18.13725448[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0077, align: right"]18.50866554[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0083, align: right"]18.86604092[/TD]
[TD]Andalucia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF008A, align: right"]19.05735291[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0090, align: right"]19.22266111[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_Y_Leon[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Click to expand...

note that I3313 is a female sample

I3313, Bronze Age, 1500-900 BCE


http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616

I3313
mtDNA: HV0e



the age of the sample would clearly make ( or a very good chance) this sample Illyrian/Dalmatian as the earliest "illyrians" appear in Noricum ( east Austria ) circa 1600BC
 
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