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Duarte · May 9, 2020

Archetype0ne said:
Yes, but I have to include my coordinates in Target, correct? Now where do I get my coordinates?

Edit: I surely am not the only one who deleted his Gedmacth account? :embarassed:
PS: Is it me or the distances are quite big with this calculator?

The distances are quite big because these are very very old samples

Regio X · May 10, 2020

PuntDNAL K12 Ancient

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]RegioX(FTDNA)[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-5.072139183752654, 100%, 50%)"]15.63401740[/TD]
[TD]Alberstedt_LN_I0118[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-13.78968570110328, 100%, 50%)"]16.72371071[/TD]
[TD]Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-21.593785174350074, 100%, 50%)"]17.69922315[/TD]
[TD]BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-23.457310723434375, 100%, 50%)"]17.93216384[/TD]
[TD]Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-25.06991417933628, 100%, 50%)"]18.13373927[/TD]
[TD]Halberstadt_LBA_I0099[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-28.410781279528322, 100%, 50%)"]18.55134766[/TD]
[TD]Unetice_EBA_I0117[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-50.61629464971978, 100%, 50%)"]21.32703683[/TD]
[TD]Srubnaya_I0430[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-53.32928200393607, 100%, 50%)"]21.66616025[/TD]
[TD]BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-54.446324122923244, 100%, 50%)"]21.80579052[/TD]
[TD]Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-62.81225341863714, 100%, 50%)"]22.85153168[/TD]
[TD]Potapovka_I0419[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-80.1539407556094, 100%, 50%)"]25.01924259[/TD]
[TD]Vatya_SG_RISE479[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-83.59371306599817, 100%, 50%)"]25.44921413[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-87.9280644838498, 100%, 50%)"]25.99100806[/TD]
[TD]Hungary_BA_I1502[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-89.28105504321215, 100%, 50%)"]26.16013188[/TD]
[TD]Srubnaya_I0232[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-89.76825307944003, 100%, 50%)"]26.22103163[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-90.83339393938522, 100%, 50%)"]26.35417424[/TD]
[TD]Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-97.48857441254242, 100%, 50%)"]27.18607180[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-99.77770587573255, 100%, 50%)"]27.47221323[/TD]
[TD]Andronovo_SG_RISE505[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-105.17442128270255, 100%, 50%)"]28.14680266[/TD]
[TD]Sintashta_MBA_RISE395[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-113.01467764928458, 100%, 50%)"]29.12683471[/TD]
[TD]Iceman_MN_SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-113.31798044728569, 100%, 50%)"]29.16474756[/TD]
[TD]Hungary_CA_I1497[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-116.51232526022827, 100%, 50%)"]29.56404066[/TD]
[TD]Armenian_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]30.87219623[/TD]
[TD]Hungary_EN_I0495[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]31.63799140[/TD]
[TD]Scythian_IA_I0247[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]32.73640939[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_EN_I0412[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]RegioX(23andMe)[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-0.16340873993213734, 100%, 50%)"]15.02042609[/TD]
[TD]Alberstedt_LN_I0118[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-10.582253005529054, 100%, 50%)"]16.32278163[/TD]
[TD]Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-20.677947099038988, 100%, 50%)"]17.58474339[/TD]
[TD]Halberstadt_LBA_I0099[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-23.967374081768952, 100%, 50%)"]17.99592176[/TD]
[TD]Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-24.08735128386533, 100%, 50%)"]18.01091891[/TD]
[TD]Unetice_EBA_I0117[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-30.455989578348152, 100%, 50%)"]18.80699870[/TD]
[TD]BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-49.13392563291376, 100%, 50%)"]21.14174070[/TD]
[TD]BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-50.20142420085682, 100%, 50%)"]21.27517803[/TD]
[TD]Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-57.97135949359944, 100%, 50%)"]22.24641994[/TD]
[TD]Srubnaya_I0430[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-64.13615831769707, 100%, 50%)"]23.01701979[/TD]
[TD]Vatya_SG_RISE479[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-64.76072309882315, 100%, 50%)"]23.09509039[/TD]
[TD]Potapovka_I0419[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-71.41464102831841, 100%, 50%)"]23.92683013[/TD]
[TD]Hungary_BA_I1502[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-84.74111653500381, 100%, 50%)"]25.59263957[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-94.82244947863344, 100%, 50%)"]26.85280618[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-94.82393907569988, 100%, 50%)"]26.85299238[/TD]
[TD]Srubnaya_I0232[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-95.28224450706566, 100%, 50%)"]26.91028056[/TD]
[TD]Hungary_CA_I1497[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-96.39418846170523, 100%, 50%)"]27.04927356[/TD]
[TD]Iceman_MN_SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-98.88637417619219, 100%, 50%)"]27.36079677[/TD]
[TD]Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-105.00534393653854, 100%, 50%)"]28.12566799[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-107.0511061413267, 100%, 50%)"]28.38138827[/TD]
[TD]Andronovo_SG_RISE505[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-110.51708136274846, 100%, 50%)"]28.81463517[/TD]
[TD]Hungary_EN_I0495[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-110.64059659999151, 100%, 50%)"]28.83007457[/TD]
[TD]Sintashta_MBA_RISE395[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]30.42044050[/TD]
[TD]Epserstedt_MN_I0172[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]30.75098698[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_EN_I0412[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]30.76529213[/TD]
[TD]Baalberge_MN_I0560[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]Father(23andMe)[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(16.727901154280786, 100%, 50%)"]12.90901236[/TD]
[TD]Alberstedt_LN_I0118[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(3.641216919391937, 100%, 50%)"]14.54484789[/TD]
[TD]Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-3.9206455761105303, 100%, 50%)"]15.49008070[/TD]
[TD]Halberstadt_LBA_I0099[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-7.354019960109625, 100%, 50%)"]15.91925250[/TD]
[TD]Unetice_EBA_I0117[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-16.68359960141524, 100%, 50%)"]17.08544995[/TD]
[TD]Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-30.755452306044305, 100%, 50%)"]18.84443154[/TD]
[TD]BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-33.39415373474961, 100%, 50%)"]19.17426922[/TD]
[TD]BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-34.27198838415222, 100%, 50%)"]19.28399855[/TD]
[TD]Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-39.075851089975316, 100%, 50%)"]19.88448139[/TD]
[TD]Vatya_SG_RISE479[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-45.71061040259312, 100%, 50%)"]20.71382630[/TD]
[TD]Hungary_BA_I1502[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-54.352764245365506, 100%, 50%)"]21.79409553[/TD]
[TD]Potapovka_I0419[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-54.53987051673897, 100%, 50%)"]21.81748381[/TD]
[TD]Srubnaya_I0430[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-73.24307594322752, 100%, 50%)"]24.15538449[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-86.95933513615665, 100%, 50%)"]25.86991689[/TD]
[TD]Hungary_CA_I1497[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-88.38465970411545, 100%, 50%)"]26.04808246[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-88.72222306213587, 100%, 50%)"]26.09027788[/TD]
[TD]Srubnaya_I0232[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-90.70891390731433, 100%, 50%)"]26.33861424[/TD]
[TD]Iceman_MN_SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-96.02408754581049, 100%, 50%)"]27.00301094[/TD]
[TD]Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-101.01042147373957, 100%, 50%)"]27.62630268[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-102.80432311784259, 100%, 50%)"]27.85054039[/TD]
[TD]Andronovo_SG_RISE505[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-104.13318897477009, 100%, 50%)"]28.01664862[/TD]
[TD]Sintashta_MBA_RISE395[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-105.28667603744347, 100%, 50%)"]28.16083450[/TD]
[TD]Hungary_EN_I0495[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-109.91930410472281, 100%, 50%)"]28.73991301[/TD]
[TD]Epserstedt_MN_I0172[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-111.04390578416042, 100%, 50%)"]28.88048822[/TD]
[TD]Baalberge_MN_I0560[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-115.40842465808228, 100%, 50%)"]29.42605308[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_M_I0406[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]Mother(23andMe)[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(11.426353105369074, 100%, 50%)"]13.57170586[/TD]
[TD]Alberstedt_LN_I0118[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(1.1491825858988989, 100%, 50%)"]14.85635218[/TD]
[TD]Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-9.908570925863074, 100%, 50%)"]16.23857137[/TD]
[TD]Halberstadt_LBA_I0099[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-13.048249894540135, 100%, 50%)"]16.63103124[/TD]
[TD]Unetice_EBA_I0117[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-15.40840741992352, 100%, 50%)"]16.92605093[/TD]
[TD]Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-34.84726926878628, 100%, 50%)"]19.35590866[/TD]
[TD]BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-36.90837071361108, 100%, 50%)"]19.61354634[/TD]
[TD]BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-37.46211226831679, 100%, 50%)"]19.68276403[/TD]
[TD]Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-38.64853229702442, 100%, 50%)"]19.83106654[/TD]
[TD]Vatya_SG_RISE479[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-46.109592739251525, 100%, 50%)"]20.76369909[/TD]
[TD]Hungary_BA_I1502[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-58.755018950517865, 100%, 50%)"]22.34437737[/TD]
[TD]Potapovka_I0419[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-59.23413960515447, 100%, 50%)"]22.40426745[/TD]
[TD]Srubnaya_I0430[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-76.18622989394541, 100%, 50%)"]24.52327874[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-83.61079735613237, 100%, 50%)"]25.45134967[/TD]
[TD]Hungary_CA_I1497[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-89.74822240009567, 100%, 50%)"]26.21852780[/TD]
[TD]Iceman_MN_SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-90.97430364857232, 100%, 50%)"]26.37178796[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-92.05753181625028, 100%, 50%)"]26.50719148[/TD]
[TD]Srubnaya_I0232[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-99.84884989464919, 100%, 50%)"]27.48110624[/TD]
[TD]Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-102.34405051631131, 100%, 50%)"]27.79300631[/TD]
[TD]Hungary_EN_I0495[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-104.73183308111916, 100%, 50%)"]28.09147914[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-106.04936805928037, 100%, 50%)"]28.25617101[/TD]
[TD]Andronovo_SG_RISE505[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-107.18749261347992, 100%, 50%)"]28.39843658[/TD]
[TD]Sintashta_MBA_RISE395[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-107.36771274743472, 100%, 50%)"]28.42096409[/TD]
[TD]Baalberge_MN_I0560[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-109.93441847622552, 100%, 50%)"]28.74180231[/TD]
[TD]Epserstedt_MN_I0172[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-113.54947398784694, 100%, 50%)"]29.19368425[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_M_I0406[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Palermo Trapani · May 10, 2020

PuntDNAL K12 Ancient posted in plain text, blue kicked in at Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97. Given this sample, not surprisingly for me Iceman is my closest. A question I have relates to the Bell Beaker samples in Punt DNAL K12, are these older samples than the Italian and Sicilian Bell Beakers which is why the Italian/Sicilian Bell Beakers are not included. I get distances 15-18 on the Sicilian Bell Beaker and around 18 or so on the Italian Bell Beaker so excluding age of sample and while the cultures were the same, the local effect in the Italian and Sicilian Bell Beaker would explain why I am closer to those than the ones here. Am I off base?

Distance to: PalermoTrapani
20.64564845 Iceman_MN_SG
21.87196379 Hungary_CA_I1497
21.98460370 Hungary_EN_I0495
22.22999775 LBK_EN_I0054
23.53620190 Iberia_EN_I0412
23.90549728 Starcevo_MN_I0174
24.47678083 Stuttgart_SG
27.38910002 Epserstedt_MN_I0172
27.49477769 Alberstedt_LN_I0118
28.90523828 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
29.02520973 Baalberge_MN_I0560
30.05982036 Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489
30.30136631 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099
30.39774334 Iberia_M_I0406
30.50824151 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
30.67674689 Unetice_EBA_I0117
30.92689444 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
31.95235203 Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300
32.76725194 Vatya_SG_RISE479
32.93285290 Armenian_MBA
33.23932611 Hungary_BA_I1502
33.82724937 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
33.94573316 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549
34.39349939 Srubnaya_I0430
35.61745078 Potapovka_I0419

[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 6.8155% / 6.81548795 | ADC: 1x

[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]72.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Iceman_MN_SG[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]27.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Armenian_MBA[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 3.7500% / 3.75003893 | ADC: 0.5x

[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]47.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Iceman_MN_SG[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]35.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Armenian_MBA[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]16.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Hungary_CA_I1497[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 2.5809% / 2.58090294 | ADC: 0.25x

[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]36.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Armenian_MBA[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]27.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Hungary_CA_I1497[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]18.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Iceman_MN_SG[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]13.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Starcevo_MN_I0174[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]3.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569[/TD]

Duarte · May 10, 2020

Angela said:
Just for you, Duarte.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Angela[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00A7, align: right"]19.92385254[/TD]
[TD]Alberstedt_LN_I0118[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D9, align: right"]21.38129790[/TD]
[TD]Iceman_MN_SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00E0, align: right"]21.59397833[/TD]
[TD]Hungary_CA_I1497[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00E0, align: right"]21.60184946[/TD]
[TD]Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F700FF, align: right"]22.73213364[/TD]
[TD]Halberstadt_LBA_I0099[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EB00FF, align: right"]23.09112167[/TD]
[TD]Hungary_EN_I0495[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EA00FF, align: right"]23.12011894[/TD]
[TD]Unetice_EBA_I0117[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D000FF, align: right"]23.89183752[/TD]
[TD]Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #AB00FF, align: right"]24.97878900[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_EN_I0412[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A600FF, align: right"]25.11234557[/TD]
[TD]LBK_EN_I0054[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A500FF, align: right"]25.14696602[/TD]
[TD]BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A000FF, align: right"]25.28378730[/TD]
[TD]Vatya_SG_RISE479[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9000FF, align: right"]25.75441516[/TD]
[TD]Epserstedt_MN_I0172[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8C00FF, align: right"]25.88725362[/TD]
[TD]Hungary_BA_I1502[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7800FF, align: right"]26.47262548[/TD]
[TD]BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7500FF, align: right"]26.54580758[/TD]
[TD]Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7200FF, align: right"]26.63963025[/TD]
[TD]Baalberge_MN_I0560[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6900FF, align: right"]26.91170563[/TD]
[TD]Stuttgart_SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5500FF, align: right"]27.51072336[/TD]
[TD]Starcevo_MN_I0174[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5100FF, align: right"]27.61557350[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_M_I0406[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #3D00FF, align: right"]28.21967222[/TD]
[TD]Srubnaya_I0430[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2F00FF, align: right"]28.60314493[/TD]
[TD]Potapovka_I0419[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1700FF, align: right"]29.32967610[/TD]
[TD]Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0600FF, align: right"]29.83420688[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.07056324[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.68393948[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.77651446[/TD]
[TD]Srubnaya_I0232[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.49940149[/TD]
[TD]Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.01499522[/TD]
[TD]Andronovo_SG_RISE505[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.07124741[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.45837924[/TD]
[TD]Armenian_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.66525494[/TD]
[TD]Sintashta_MBA_RISE395[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]37.27197204[/TD]
[TD]Kostenki14_UP_SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]38.59520566[/TD]
[TD]Scythian_IA_I0247[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]45.45690157[/TD]
[TD]Yamnaya_Samara_I0443[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]48.59794131[/TD]
[TD]Poltavka_I0440[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]49.21503734[/TD]
[TD]Yamnaya_Samara_I0231[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]49.79407495[/TD]
[TD]Afanasievo_SG_RISE511[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]50.45859590[/TD]
[TD]Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]51.90260013[/TD]
[TD]MA1_SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]57.03007891[/TD]
[TD]Ust_Ishim_DG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]58.49760593[/TD]
[TD]Samara_Eneolithic_I0433[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]63.49984173[/TD]
[TD]Samara_HG_I0124[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]64.67750691[/TD]
[TD]AnatolianNeolithic_I0746[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]65.12196173[/TD]
[TD]Hungary_HG_I1507[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]65.31844992[/TD]
[TD]Bichon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]65.52983977[/TD]
[TD]AnatolianNeolithic_I0745[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]74.57955417[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_Mesolithic_I0585[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]79.74628455[/TD]
[TD]Karelia_HG_I0061[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]80.86587599[/TD]
[TD]Kotias_Kide_KK[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

I am definitely a lot Early Neolithic, even Iberia EN, which duplicates what I've seen on other calculators. Then there's the Central Europe pull, and the Iran Neo Pull, and about 25% steppe. (Of course, Sintashta has some European farmer. Still, 25-30% steppe is what I usually get on other calculators.) These samples in combination get me pretty darn close as far as distance goes.

I'm surprised you get no steppe at all, Duarte. I know some analyses show Iberians don't get much, despite the Bell Beaker ancestry, but none? Are the Portuguese different from Spaniards in that regard, because probably most analyses like that are done with Spaniards?

@Angela

My top 60 samples, as you done:

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Duarte[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF001B, align: right"]15.78606981[/TD]
[TD]Alberstedt_LN_I0118[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF004D, align: right"]17.27425831[/TD]
[TD]Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF005B, align: right"]17.66748426[/TD]
[TD]Vatya_SG_RISE479[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF006A, align: right"]18.12622410[/TD]
[TD]Hungary_BA_I1502[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0070, align: right"]18.29672102[/TD]
[TD]Halberstadt_LBA_I0099[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF007B, align: right"]18.61209284[/TD]
[TD]Unetice_EBA_I0117[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00BE, align: right"]20.58786050[/TD]
[TD]Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D4, align: right"]21.22804748[/TD]
[TD]Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D7, align: right"]21.32393022[/TD]
[TD]BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00F8, align: right"]22.28295313[/TD]
[TD]Hungary_CA_I1497[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DA00FF, align: right"]23.59555043[/TD]
[TD]Iceman_MN_SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CB00FF, align: right"]24.03497452[/TD]
[TD]BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C400FF, align: right"]24.22395509[/TD]
[TD]Baalberge_MN_I0560[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B200FF, align: right"]24.76368309[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_M_I0406[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B000FF, align: right"]24.82599444[/TD]
[TD]Epserstedt_MN_I0172[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #AB00FF, align: right"]24.97779013[/TD]
[TD]Potapovka_I0419[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A800FF, align: right"]25.05434094[/TD]
[TD]Hungary_EN_I0495[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8100FF, align: right"]26.19236530[/TD]
[TD]Srubnaya_I0430[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7200FF, align: right"]26.63343763[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5600FF, align: right"]27.47762726[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_EN_I0412[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4C00FF, align: right"]27.75103602[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2600FF, align: right"]28.88390555[/TD]
[TD]LBK_EN_I0054[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2200FF, align: right"]28.99499957[/TD]
[TD]Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0F00FF, align: right"]29.56010825[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0A00FF, align: right"]29.69898988[/TD]
[TD]Srubnaya_I0232[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.08255308[/TD]
[TD]Stuttgart_SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.41862505[/TD]
[TD]Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.46219954[/TD]
[TD]Andronovo_SG_RISE505[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.50682466[/TD]
[TD]Starcevo_MN_I0174[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.56818018[/TD]
[TD]Sintashta_MBA_RISE395[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.69558329[/TD]
[TD]Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]35.11751700[/TD]
[TD]Kostenki14_UP_SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]38.17826607[/TD]
[TD]Scythian_IA_I0247[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]41.08247802[/TD]
[TD]Armenian_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]44.20475088[/TD]
[TD]Yamnaya_Samara_I0443[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]47.82551620[/TD]
[TD]Afanasievo_SG_RISE511[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]48.34759560[/TD]
[TD]Yamnaya_Samara_I0231[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]48.74741019[/TD]
[TD]Poltavka_I0440[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]50.03478790[/TD]
[TD]MA1_SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]50.49643552[/TD]
[TD]Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]54.00953620[/TD]
[TD]Samara_Eneolithic_I0433[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]55.89633262[/TD]
[TD]Ust_Ishim_DG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]57.37089855[/TD]
[TD]Hungary_HG_I1507[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]57.43178562[/TD]
[TD]Bichon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]58.11626278[/TD]
[TD]Samara_HG_I0124[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]66.91337684[/TD]
[TD]AnatolianNeolithic_I0746[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]67.12264893[/TD]
[TD]Iberia_Mesolithic_I0585[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]67.76400224[/TD]
[TD]AnatolianNeolithic_I0745[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]72.62926407[/TD]
[TD]Karelia_HG_I0061[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]82.92412194[/TD]
[TD]Loschbour_SG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]83.34242617[/TD]
[TD]LaBrana[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]83.34242617[/TD]
[TD]Motala12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]86.49560682[/TD]
[TD]Kotias_Kide_KK[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]97.83153888[/TD]
[TD]Satsurblia_SATP[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Your Yammas:
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]45.45690157[/TD]
[TD]Yamnaya_Samara_I0443[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]49.21503734[/TD]
[TD]Yamnaya_Samara_I0231[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]50.45859590[/TD]
[TD]Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

My yammas:
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]44.20475088[/TD]
[TD]Yamnaya_Samara_I0443[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]48.34759560[/TD]
[TD]Yamnaya_Samara_I0231[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]50.49643552[/TD]
[TD]Yamnaya_Kalmykia_SG_RISE552[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Cheers

Salento · May 10, 2020

Palermo Trapani said:
PuntDNAL K12 Ancient posted in plain text, blue kicked in at Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97. Given this sample, not surprisingly for me Iceman is my closest. A question I have relates to the Bell Beaker samples in Punt DNAL K12, are these older samples than the Italian and Sicilian Bell Beakers which is why the Italian/Sicilian Bell Beakers are not included. I get distances 15-18 on the Sicilian Bell Beaker and around 18 or so on the Italian Bell Beaker so excluding age of sample and while the cultures were the same, the local effect in the Italian and Sicilian Bell Beaker would explain why I am closer to those than the ones here. Am I off base?

Distance to: PalermoTrapani
20.64564845 Iceman_MN_SG
21.87196379 Hungary_CA_I1497
21.98460370 Hungary_EN_I0495
22.22999775 LBK_EN_I0054
23.53620190 Iberia_EN_I0412
23.90549728 Starcevo_MN_I0174
24.47678083 Stuttgart_SG
27.38910002 Epserstedt_MN_I0172
27.49477769 Alberstedt_LN_I0118
28.90523828 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
29.02520973 Baalberge_MN_I0560
30.05982036 Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489
30.30136631 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099
30.39774334 Iberia_M_I0406
30.50824151 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
30.67674689 Unetice_EBA_I0117
30.92689444 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
31.95235203 Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300
32.76725194 Vatya_SG_RISE479
32.93285290 Armenian_MBA
33.23932611 Hungary_BA_I1502
33.82724937 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
33.94573316 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549
34.39349939 Srubnaya_I0430
35.61745078 Potapovka_I0419

[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 6.8155% / 6.81548795 | ADC: 1x[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]72.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Iceman_MN_SG[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]27.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Armenian_MBA[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 3.7500% / 3.75003893 | ADC: 0.5x[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]47.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Iceman_MN_SG[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]35.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Armenian_MBA[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]16.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Hungary_CA_I1497[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 2.5809% / 2.58090294 | ADC: 0.25x[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]36.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Armenian_MBA[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]27.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Hungary_CA_I1497[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]18.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Iceman_MN_SG[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]13.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Starcevo_MN_I0174[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]3.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569[/TD]

You can try the FREE one to one comparison with Otzi the Iceman at GedMatch, Kit # T882519

just put a 1 in the input box where it says “... value = 7”

(It only works if you share a certain amount of segments with a sample)

LBK Stuttgart_SG Kit # F999916

Palermo Trapani · May 10, 2020

Salento: Thanks. I am over at GEDMATCH and have my Kit over there, but actually never tried this before, was always running the Dodecad, Punt, Eurogenes calculators. I will give this a shot. I doubt I share segments with Otzi but you never know. It is clearly the oldest sample that I get a Distance that low, which I know is 20, but Otzi is the oldest known European Mummy we have so not too shabby.

Do you know off the top of your head why the Italian/Sicilian Bell Beakers are not included in the Punt DNAL source sample spreadsheet?

Salento · May 10, 2020

puntDNAL K12 Ancient

... huge distance from me, Obviously I have evolved beyond ... :grin:

Palermo Trapani · May 10, 2020

Salento's suggestion to compare Me to Otzi on GEDMATCH

Salento: Thanks for the tip. I get something on 6 Chromosomes, which is kind of neat. What are your thoughts? Regardless of how good this is (I think it is not to bad, curious what some of the mods say), Dove mando la bottiglia di vino?

Salento · May 10, 2020

Palermo Trapani said:
Salento: Thanks. I am over at GEDMATCH and have my Kit over there, but actually never tried this before, was always running the Dodecad, Punt, Eurogenes calculators. I will give this a shot. I doubt I share segments with Otzi but you never know. It is clearly the oldest sample that I get a Distance that low, which I know is 20, but Otzi is the oldest known European Mummy we have so not too shabby.

Do you know off the top of your head why the Italian/Sicilian Bell Beakers are not included in the Punt DNAL source sample spreadsheet?

... I guess nobody cared to add them,

this is Otzi Dodecad K12 code:
(he has a lot of Sicilian Cumpari)

Otzi_dok_K12,0,0,5.85,0.33,48.10,4.42,0.20,4.25,9.75,2.39,22.61,2.11

Palermo Trapani · May 10, 2020

(he has a lot of Sicilian Cumpari)

Otzi_dok_K12,0,0,5.85,0.33,48.10,4.42,0.20,4.25,9.75,2.39,22.61,2.11[/QUOTE]

Salento using the Other Dodecad 12 coordinates that the Jovialis and the rest of the Eupedia team have put together. I get 23.57 using Dodecad K12B, I included the 2 Beakers that I get distances lower than the Beakers in the PuntDNAL. I think the calculator MTA uses gives me a 15 for the Sicilian_Bell Beaker. Thanks for the GEDMATCH tips and the Otzi Dodecad K12 coordinates.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF006F, align: right"]18.25766688[/TD]
[TD]I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C9, align: right"]20.92535065[/TD]
[TD]I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DB00FF, align: right"]23.57074882[/TD]
[TD]Otzi_dok_K12[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Salento · May 10, 2020

@Palermo Trapani
thanks for il Vino

You Win, with Otzi you get 7.5 cM and I get 6.9 cM

... about the cM, ... Everyone has an opinion to express, lol

I think that in this case the cM it’s OK

Palermo Trapani · May 10, 2020

Salento said:
@Palermo Trapani
thanks for il Vino

You Win, with Otzi you get 7.5 cM and I get 6.9 cM

... about the cM, ... Everyone has an opinion to express, lol

I think that in this case the cM it’s OK

Otzi must have just given me some intrinsic desire for Cannoli's and Cassata, that is my story. Again good job with the suggestions.

Salento · May 10, 2020

Palermo Trapani said:
Otzi must have just given me some intrinsic desire for Cannoli's and Cassata, that is my story. Again good job with the suggestions.

Otzi Dodecad K12 Ancient results:

Palermo Trapani · May 10, 2020

Salento said:
Otzi Dodecad K12 Ancient results:

Ok, really neat, so Otzi is relatively pretty close to those Sicilian samples from the paper that came out earlier this year. Here are my distances from the Ancient Sardinians and Sicilians, not including the Sicilian_Bell Beaker. Distances range from 18 for I_3876 to 30.98 for I_4063. So ok, not terrible for a bunch of samples over 4,000 years, to me at least. In same Area code!

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE000, align: right"]8.41816488[/TD]
[TD]I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5E00, align: right"]12.24358199[/TD]
[TD]I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0046, align: right"]17.04939588[/TD]
[TD]I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0067, align: right"]18.04210354[/TD]
[TD]I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0099, align: right"]19.50048205[/TD]
[TD]I7800_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF009A, align: right"]19.53551126[/TD]
[TD]I3125_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00A3, align: right"]19.79989646[/TD]
[TD]I7807_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00AB, align: right"]20.02307669[/TD]
[TD]I11442_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00AE, align: right"]20.11438789[/TD]
[TD]I3878_Sicily_LBA_Marcita[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00B1, align: right"]20.19769789[/TD]
[TD]I4383_Sicily_EBA_lowcov_Vallone_Inferno[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00B4, align: right"]20.29788659[/TD]
[TD]I10373_Sicily_LBA_Marcita[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C1, align: right"]20.67843563[/TD]
[TD]I4109_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C2, align: right"]20.69572178[/TD]
[TD]I12223_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C3, align: right"]20.72742628[/TD]
[TD]I3123_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C6, align: right"]20.83430824[/TD]
[TD]I7796_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00F4, align: right"]22.17047135[/TD]
[TD]I3124_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00FA, align: right"]22.34168973[/TD]
[TD]I10372_Sicily_LBA_Marcita[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CF00FF, align: right"]23.91030740[/TD]
[TD]I10371_Sicily_LBA_Marcita[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #AD00FF, align: right"]24.91285411[/TD]
[TD]I4065_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9F00FF, align: right"]25.33204690[/TD]
[TD]I16163_Sardinia_IA_Anghelu_Ruju[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6400FF, align: right"]27.05956947[/TD]
[TD]I4062_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6200FF, align: right"]27.12667138[/TD]
[TD]I7774_d_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5C00FF, align: right"]27.29963187[/TD]
[TD]I8561_Sicily_EBA_Isnello[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5400FF, align: right"]27.52953505[/TD]
[TD]I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0F00FF, align: right"]29.54683063[/TD]
[TD]I4064_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.09199063[/TD]
[TD]I10365_Sardinia_BA_Seulo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.42349092[/TD]
[TD]I7805_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.97076363[/TD]
[TD]I3122_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.98842687[/TD]
[TD]I4063_Sicily_MN_Stretto_Partanna[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Stuvanè · May 10, 2020

Distance to: PuntDNALk12_Stuvanè

17.52635729 Alberstedt_LN_I0118
18.58986821 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
20.16762753 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099
20.21640918 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569
20.53395237 Unetice_EBA_I0117
20.55172012 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
23.63013330 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059
23.83470579 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549
24.04003328 Srubnaya_I0430
25.23614868 Potapovka_I0419
25.43232589 Vatya_SG_RISE479
26.31887536 Hungary_BA_I1502
26.68544922 Iceman_MN_SG
26.70979596 Hungary_CA_I1497
27.58610520 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00
28.32936992 Hungary_EN_I0495
28.70493337 Srubnaya_I0232
28.73905357 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103
29.04243791 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386
29.81515051 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104
29.95151415 Andronovo_SG_RISE505
30.22537345 LBK_EN_I0054
30.29691733 Iberia_EN_I0412
30.64691175 Sintashta_MBA_RISE395
30.73683783 Armenian_MBA

Target: PuntDNALk12_Stuvanè
Distance: 9.3909% / 9.39092818 | ADC: 1x
68.4 Alberstedt_LN_I0118
21.4 Iceman_MN_SG
10.2 Armenian_MBA

Target: PuntDNALk12_Stuvanè
Distance: 4.2137% / 4.21371950 | ADC: 0.5x
36.2 Alberstedt_LN_I0118
26.6 Iceman_MN_SG
22.4 Armenian_MBA
11.0 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
3.8 Starcevo_MN_I0174

Target: PuntDNALk12_Stuvanè
Distance: 2.0426% / 2.04260520 | ADC: 0.25x
25.8 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97
22.2 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94
18.8 Starcevo_MN_I0174
18.2 Armenian_MBA
9.8 LBK_EN_I0054
5.2 Iceman_MN_SG

kingdavid · May 10, 2020

Salento said:
You can try the FREE one to one comparison with Otzi the Iceman at GedMatch, Kit # T882519

just put a 1 in the input box where it says “... value = 7”

(It only works if you share a certain amount of segments with a sample)

LBK Stuttgart_SG Kit # F999916

are we sure he is otzi the iceman ?
i mean look how weird his eurogenes k13 results

Kit Number: T882519 Elapsed Time: 7.36 seconds

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Population

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"][/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]North_Atlantic[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]16.85 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Baltic[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]West_Med[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]39.58 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]West_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]East_Med[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]25.76 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Red_Sea[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]3.26 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]South_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"] East_Asian [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"] 6.28 Pct [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"] Siberian [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"] 1.63 Pct [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Amerindian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"] Oceanian [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"] 2.19 Pct [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"] Northeast_African [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"] 4.43 Pct [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Sub-Saharan[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[/TD]

Salento · May 10, 2020

kingjohn said:
are we sure he is otzi the iceman ?
i mean look how weird his eurogenes k13 results

Kit Number: T882519 Elapsed Time: 7.36 seconds

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Population

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"][/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]North_Atlantic[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]16.85 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Baltic[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]West_Med[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]39.58 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]West_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]East_Med[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]25.76 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Red_Sea[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]3.26 Pct[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]South_Asian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"] East_Asian [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"] 6.28 Pct [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"] Siberian [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"] 1.63 Pct [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Amerindian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"] Oceanian [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"] 2.19 Pct [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"] Northeast_African [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"] 4.43 Pct [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Sub-Saharan[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]-[/TD]

[/TD]

Salento said:
Thanks, Ötzi Kit T882519 is in good shape. The other two, not so much ...

Iceman_2 T882519
Kit T882519
Status: Good
Number of original snps is 241844

Iceman2012 UE6375887
Kit UE6375887
Status: Less than 2,000 SNPs for Chr1-22
Number of original snps is 2107

Tyrolean Iceman OTZI Tisenjoch Pass, Oetztal Alps XN1042534 M CT-M5825 - 5300 years
Kit XN1042534
Status: Less than 2,000 SNPs for Chr1-22
Kit XN1042534 has not completed batch processing for the one-to-many comparison results.
Number of original snps is 1264

... got it from here:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...th-kit-numbers?p=580302&viewfull=1#post580302

Salento · May 10, 2020

@kingjohn

Otzi (I think 99.9%)

GedMatch # T882519 - EU K13 modern

#1 Sardegna

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]Otzi_EU_K13[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3300, align: right"]13.50960399[/TD]
[TD]Sardinia[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8900FF, align: right"]25.98374107[/TD]
[TD]Apulia[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Otzi_EU_K13,16.85,0,39.58,0,25.76,3.26,0,6.28,1.63,0,2.19,4.43,0

Salento · May 10, 2020

The EU K13 Otzi featured on Vahaduo is:

#1 Sardegna

... must be from a different file / Kit,
... and I don’t know if it’s better or worse quality of # T882519
... but they both start with:

Sardinia
Sardinian
FrenchCorsica

Iceman_Italy_Iceman_MN.SG_5244_ybp,24.42,0.00,46.42,0.00,24.87,2.52,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.24,1.53,0.00

kingdavid · May 10, 2020

Salento said:
The EU K13 Otzi featured on Vahaduo is:

#1 Sardegna

... must be from a different file / Kit,
... and I don’t know if it’s better or worse quality of # T882519
... but they both start with:

Sardinia
Sardinian
FrenchCorsica

Iceman_Italy_Iceman_MN.SG_5244_ybp,24.42,0.00,46.42,0.00,24.87,2.52,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.24,1.53,0.00

maybe lukasz know

because the values of the eurogenes k13 otzi kit in vahaduo
looks more logic
not scoring east asian and siberian .......

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