Archetype0ne
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Thanks guys.
So KingJohn, "Finally, in a five-way model with Iran Neolithic and Moroccan Neolithic samples added as sources, neither source is inferred to contribute ancestry during the Middle Neolithic to Nuragic (point estimates are statistically indistinguishable from zero, Supp. Fig. 14)."
If you have read the L283 speculative theory thread I started some months ago. What I was trying to test just now is, what if the L283 Nuragics reached Sardinia before IE expansions. And what if the theory of CHG origin of L283 was correct, and some CHG group of L283 somehow ended in Sardinia before the IE admixture event. Bu the facts based on what I quoted from your response seem to deny it.
So Nuragics will keep being a massive mystery I guess.
Just as I found further evidence, for L283 possibly having been the CHG component in Yamnaya.
"Ancient J-M410, specifically subclade J-Y12379*, has been found, in a mesolithic context, in a tooth from the Kotias Klde Cave in western Georgia dating 9.529-9.895 cal. BP.[13] This sample has been assigned to the Caucasus hunter-gatherers (CHG) autosomal component.[14] J-M410, more specifically its subclade J-PF5008, has also been found in a mesolithic sample from the Hotu and Kamarband Caves located in Mazandaran Province of Iran, dating back to 9,100-8,600 B.C.E (approximately 11,000 ybp).[15] Both samples belong to the Trialetian Culture. It is likely that J2 men had settled over most of Anatolia, the South Caucasus and Iran by the end of the Last Glaciation 12,000 years ago."
^It should be easy to see what I was thinking when formulating the hypothesis. Since L283 was formed 9.5kya around the same area this upstream J2 was found, and since this J2 (albeit M410) was found to be a CHG population, if L283 and this CHG group, living together around the same period, around the same area were indeed similar autosomally and culturally... Maybe maybe, if the Nuragics could by some stroke of luck ended up directly in Sardinia from such a soruce population, way before they intermixed with IE peoples, finding any CHG component in their autosomal makeup would be circumstantial evidence, and in the opposite case falsifying evidence for such a theory. But now I am very confused and have no idea how to even go about this. Need to untangle my brain.
So KingJohn, "Finally, in a five-way model with Iran Neolithic and Moroccan Neolithic samples added as sources, neither source is inferred to contribute ancestry during the Middle Neolithic to Nuragic (point estimates are statistically indistinguishable from zero, Supp. Fig. 14)."
If you have read the L283 speculative theory thread I started some months ago. What I was trying to test just now is, what if the L283 Nuragics reached Sardinia before IE expansions. And what if the theory of CHG origin of L283 was correct, and some CHG group of L283 somehow ended in Sardinia before the IE admixture event. Bu the facts based on what I quoted from your response seem to deny it.
So Nuragics will keep being a massive mystery I guess.
Just as I found further evidence, for L283 possibly having been the CHG component in Yamnaya.
"Ancient J-M410, specifically subclade J-Y12379*, has been found, in a mesolithic context, in a tooth from the Kotias Klde Cave in western Georgia dating 9.529-9.895 cal. BP.[13] This sample has been assigned to the Caucasus hunter-gatherers (CHG) autosomal component.[14] J-M410, more specifically its subclade J-PF5008, has also been found in a mesolithic sample from the Hotu and Kamarband Caves located in Mazandaran Province of Iran, dating back to 9,100-8,600 B.C.E (approximately 11,000 ybp).[15] Both samples belong to the Trialetian Culture. It is likely that J2 men had settled over most of Anatolia, the South Caucasus and Iran by the end of the Last Glaciation 12,000 years ago."
^It should be easy to see what I was thinking when formulating the hypothesis. Since L283 was formed 9.5kya around the same area this upstream J2 was found, and since this J2 (albeit M410) was found to be a CHG population, if L283 and this CHG group, living together around the same period, around the same area were indeed similar autosomally and culturally... Maybe maybe, if the Nuragics could by some stroke of luck ended up directly in Sardinia from such a soruce population, way before they intermixed with IE peoples, finding any CHG component in their autosomal makeup would be circumstantial evidence, and in the opposite case falsifying evidence for such a theory. But now I am very confused and have no idea how to even go about this. Need to untangle my brain.