Genetic study Genomes from 82 Etruscans and Southern Italians.(800 BCE – 1,000 CE).

Pax Augusta said:
I have never supported anything you write. You still don't understand what scholars claim about the Rhaetic language.
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ditto

we have something in common

have a good day
 
Duarte/Salento: Do either of you know what are the dates of those samples? Is that information even available. While it is nice to be close to Ven13 and Ven006 regardless of where they fall in the time series from 800 BC to 1000AD, it would be really neat if they are from the Republican period like R437.
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Duarte/Salento: Do either of you know what are the dates of those samples? Is that information even available. While it is nice to be close to Ven13 and Ven006 regardless of where they fall in the time series from 800 BC to 1000AD, it would be really neat if they are from the Republican period like R437.
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I would especially like to know if they come from Southern Italy, during the Iron Age. If so, we can say Southern Italians were already formed by this time.
 
Jovialis said:
I would especially like to know if they come from Southern Italy, during the Iron Age. If so, we can say Southern Italians were already formed by this time.
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Jovialis: Exactly, the more samples that are similar to R437, the greater the evidence supporting the notion that Southern Italians were already established genetically in the Republican period thus rejecting the hypothesis of some that R437 types did not appear in significant numbers till Imperial age or Later Antiquity.
 
Jovialis said:
I would especially like to know if they come from Southern Italy, during the Iron Age. If so, we can say Southern Italians were already formed by this time.
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I just picked some random samples and others that people have asked for … they have many, many samples, some are too small to be representative.
If you get a chance you can check them out but it’s a pain because we don’t know where they come from or how old they are ... can get confusing!
 
Salento said:
i just picked some random samples and others that people have asked for..they have many, many samples, some are too small to be representative. If you get a chance you can check them out but it’s a pain because we don’t know where they come from or how old they are..can get confusing!
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Salento: Ok thanks, so if I go to the Max Plank website, do they have a pdf file or something that provides geographical ID for samples with Dates?
 
Salento said:
i just picked some random samples and others that people have asked for … they have many, many samples, some are too small to be representative.
If you get a chance you can check them out but it’s a pain because we don’t know where they come from or how old they are ... can get confusing!
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Will do, I'll see if I can knock it out and do the rest.
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Jovialis: Exactly, the more samples that are similar to R437, the greater the evidence supporting the notion that Southern Italians were already established genetically in the Republican period thus rejecting the hypothesis of some that R437 types did not appear in significant numbers till Imperial age or Later Antiquity.
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Indeed, it could very well be possible.
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Duarte/Salento: Do either of you know what are the dates of those samples? Is that information even available. While it is nice to be close to Ven13 and Ven006 regardless of where they fall in the time series from 800 BC to 1000AD, it would be really neat if they are from the Republican period like R437.
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Hello PT.

Unfortunately the only thing I know of is the ENA abstract whose linked in the first post of this thread. From what I have been following, nothing is yet known about the historical and archaeological context of these samples since there is not even a pre-print of the study.

Cheers
 
That’s cool, thanks Jovialis !

@PT I don’t know :)
 
According to the preliminary Y-DNA results VET001 is O-F140 and VET003_4 is O-L465, I don't see anything strange in their autosomal DNA. They just look like WHG + EEF + Steppe. Poor quality?



Distance to:VET001_Dod_K12b
4.42272540I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge
4.58984749R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
5.04921776I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
5.16263499I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge
5.27328171Szolad28
5.80537682R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
5.87823103France_IA_ERS88
5.92644075I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
5.93100329R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
6.19557100MX299_Switzerland_LN
6.22719038Bavaria_BB_II5524
6.64590099I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
6.79828655I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
6.88557913R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
6.93450070I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
7.08555573I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
7.29354509I8343_NE_Iberia_Late_RomP
7.43374065R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
7.62429013R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica
7.64960130R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
7.83490906Collegno23
8.09401631GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853
8.18919410GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895
8.53980679I7673_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
8.65823308R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna



Distance to:VET001_Dod_K12b
4.82312140Italian_Lombardy
6.19209678Swiss_Italian
6.30357042Italian_Liguria
6.75784729Italian_Piedmont
7.39512677Italian_Emilia
7.63998691Italian_Veneto
8.06459546Italian_Trentino
8.62826170Italian_Tuscany
8.75213117Spanish_Baleares
8.93741014French_Corsica
9.27474528Italian_Aosta_Valley
10.00591825Portuguese
10.09055499Italian_Friuli_VG
10.10696295Spanish_Castilla-Leon
10.44944496Spanish_Valencia
10.87392753Spanish_Canarias
11.15032735Spanish_Catalonia
11.25371050Italian_Romagna
12.08900740Spanish_Andalusia
12.17343419Spanish_Galicia
12.61313601Spanish_Aragon
13.01853294Spanish_Cantabria
14.09290602Spanish_Asturias
14.35757584Italian_Marche
14.80557665Italian_Lazio



Distance to:VET003_4_Dod_K12b
1.93147612R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
2.63647492R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
4.77503927I8561_Sicily_EBA_Isnello
4.92090439I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge
5.09175805R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
5.95352837MX299_Switzerland_LN
6.14826805I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
6.73110689I2111_Trypillia
6.87024745R851_Iron_Age_Ardea
6.90202869R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica
7.31804619I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge
7.50776265R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
7.53310693France_BA_PIR3037AB
7.55691074I3124_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II
7.58720634SX18_Switzerland_LN
7.59301653I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
8.01053681I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge
8.07497988I16163_Sardinia_IA_Anghelu_Ruju
8.30936219I2215_Malak_Preslavets
8.53554919GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892
8.81865636I7673_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
8.83581915GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895
8.88181851I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
8.88650663I8343_NE_Iberia_Late_RomP
8.91517246IronAgeCatalan_I12640


Distance to:VET003_4_Dod_K12b
9.45572313Spanish_Castilla-Leon
9.46827862Spanish_Valencia
9.58280230Italian_Lombardy
9.75439388Spanish_Baleares
10.31790192Spanish_Andalusia
10.50557947Spanish_Catalonia
10.58927287French_Corsica
10.66431432Spanish_Aragon
10.73728085Italian_Liguria
10.82464607Swiss_Italian
11.00153626Portuguese
11.53035559Italian_Piedmont
11.56637800Spanish_Galicia
11.57327093Spanish_Asturias
11.59428307Spanish_Cantabria
11.62759218Italian_Emilia
12.24170331Spanish_Canarias
12.52008387Italian_Aosta_Valley
12.61448770Italian_Tuscany
12.64666755Spanish_La_Rioja
12.73732704Italian_Trentino
12.90905883Italian_Veneto
15.25414698Italian_Romagna
15.36119462Italian_Friuli_VG
16.44658019French_Southwest
 
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Here are all of them, in Dodecad Globe 13:

Code: 
CAM001,0.28,0,0.4,0.26,9.01,0,47.87,0,0,7.15,35.03,0,0
CAM002,0,0,0.32,0.11,6.39,2.02,38.46,0,0,8.49,44.2,0,0
CAM003,0,0.4,1.61,0,6.86,0,49.53,0,0,5.97,35.64,0,0
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CSN002,1.21,0,0,0,0.24,0,49.91,0,0.65,9.65,38.34,0,0
CSN003,0,1.19,1.25,0,9.51,0,48.78,1.08,0,4.51,33.57,0.11,0
CSN004,0,0.12,1.47,0.06,7.23,0.96,52.03,0.31,0.25,6.32,31.25,0,0
CSN005,0,1.65,0.81,0,12.25,0,38.98,0,0,7.88,38.43,0,0
CSN006,0,0.82,0.45,0,7.51,1.26,46.63,0.31,0,9.96,33.06,0,0
CSN007,0,0,0,0,11.6,0,52.54,0.03,4.24,0.56,31.02,0,0
CSN008,0,0.41,0,0.36,4.49,0,45.02,0.02,0,9.97,39.72,0,0
CSN009,0.61,0.59,1.14,0,5.04,0.1,44.91,0,0,12.52,35.09,0,0
CSN010,2.58,0.13,1.16,0.91,8.36,0,41.07,0,0,7.1,38.68,0,0
CSN012,0,0,1.67,0,4.45,0,46.21,0,0,4.14,39.51,4.04,0
CSN013,0,0.43,0.77,0,6.89,0.21,46.25,1.65,0,10.36,33.45,0,0
ETR003,0,0,0.79,0,15.52,0,34.63,0,0,22.08,26.73,0.25,0
ETR004,0,0,0,0,13.62,0,32.62,3.11,0,27.53,23.12,0,0
ETR005,0,1.41,1.05,0,7.4,1.85,47.82,0.17,1.64,8.15,30.5,0,0
ETR006,0,0.05,0.25,0.69,13.7,0,42.79,1.16,3.24,14.91,22.95,0.27,0
ETR007,0,0,0,0,13.07,0.94,35.89,0.85,0.97,17.5,30.66,0,0.12
ETR010,0,0,0.65,0.53,11.93,0,43.96,0,0.66,18.06,24.22,0,0
ETR012,0,0,0,0,13.71,0,38.55,0.01,0.79,18.01,19.28,8.45,1.21
ETR013,0.68,0,0.65,0,13.22,0,41.87,0.04,0,20.55,22.98,0,0
ETR014,0,0,0,0,19.7,0,37.74,1.2,0,23.27,18.09,0,0
MAG001,0,0,0,0.22,4.96,0.43,48.84,0.15,0,11.43,33.97,0,0
MAS001,0.63,2.37,0.73,0,11.19,0.16,32.27,0,0,16.14,33.88,1.77,0.85
MAS002,0.42,1.1,0,0.61,23.95,0,34.56,0,0,27.42,10.95,0,0.99
MAS003,0,0.24,1.47,0,18.85,0.79,42.32,1.18,0,15.93,17.3,0,1.93
MAS004,0,4.65,0,0.36,3.78,0,47.27,0,0,6.72,37.22,0,0
POP001,0.56,1.31,0.65,0,11.22,0.06,42.29,0.4,0,18.19,25.3,0,0.03
PRZ001,0,0.4,0.99,0,8.87,0,48.12,0.18,0.3,6.32,34.82,0,0
PRZ002,0,0,0.63,0,6.83,1.73,46.25,0.1,0,5.08,39.38,0,0
TAQ001,0,0.77,0.73,0,7.77,0.32,48.64,0,0,7.52,34.25,0,0
TAQ002,0,0,0.91,0.7,7.85,0,47.62,0.04,0,7.9,34.99,0,0
TAQ003,0,0.97,0.34,0.51,16.48,0.56,36.6,0,0,20.57,21.7,1.07,1.2
TAQ004,0.2,0.21,0.6,0,7.45,0.55,47.67,0.34,0,7.56,35.43,0,0
TAQ005,1.06,0,1.32,0,11.69,0,49.05,0.56,0,8.31,27.84,0,0.19
TAQ006,0,0,0.65,0,6.45,0,47.16,0,0.4,12.01,33.21,0.12,0
TAQ007,0.04,0.56,2.29,0.28,19.61,0,45.22,0,0.54,17.07,13.18,0.3,0.9
TAQ008,0.8,1.04,1,0.01,5.89,0.15,47.75,0.41,0,8.14,34.8,0,0
TAQ009,0.18,0,1.01,0,12.95,1.22,40.6,0.02,0,18.29,25.12,0,0.61
TAQ010,0,0,0.34,0.08,7.24,0.56,49.55,0,0,6.69,35.54,0,0
TAQ011,0,0,0.94,0,13.97,0,37.81,0.47,0,19.1,26.48,0,1.23
TAQ012,0,0.08,0.59,0.22,8.4,0.11,52.48,0.36,0.58,6.5,30.44,0.24,0
TAQ013,1.17,0.88,0.44,0.05,9.04,0,47.62,0,0,8.12,32.69,0,0
TAQ015,0.17,0.43,1.33,0,9.4,0.44,47.36,0.06,0,8.68,32.12,0,0
TAQ016,0,0.27,0.88,0,8.14,0.11,47.35,0,0,9.11,33.5,0.64,0
TAQ017,0,0.18,0.81,0.06,7.87,0.18,49.59,0,0,9.89,31.43,0,0
TAQ018,0.75,0,0.86,0.29,8.36,0.86,49.49,0.23,0,7.13,32.03,0,0
TAQ019,0,0.55,0.55,0,7.8,0,50.09,0.65,0,5.91,34.45,0,0
TAQ020,0,2.67,0,0,12.82,0,42.54,0,0,20.95,21.03,0,0
TAQ021,0,0,0,0,18.84,0,41.84,0,0,20.17,17.78,0.99,0.39
TAQ022,0.23,0.3,0.85,0,10.15,0,41.15,0.88,0,18.43,26.2,1.62,0.2
TAQ023,0,0,1.49,0.09,16.29,0,46.91,0.93,0,12.2,19.18,0,2.91
TAQ024,0,0,0.42,0.23,7.95,0,49.59,0.59,0.79,7.74,32.47,0,0.22
UDC_P,0,0,0,0,1.73,0.14,49.24,0,0.37,3.74,44.1,0,0.67
VEN001,0,0.51,2.31,0.47,16.26,1.33,36.45,0,1.04,19.91,21.72,0,0
VEN002,9.85,0,0,0.23,6.22,37.95,16,2.14,2.48,5.38,18.05,1.69,0
VEN005,0,0,0.79,0,16.35,0.75,41.4,1.52,0,22.82,16.37,0,0
VEN006,0,1.89,1,0.5,16.52,1.7,36.12,0,0,22.96,19.31,0,0
VEN008,3.13,0,1.96,0,8.16,0,39.77,0,0,14.8,26.86,5.32,0
VEN009,0,0,1.58,0.51,15.62,0,35.76,0,0.44,19.42,25.14,0,1.53
VEN010,0,0,0,2.06,14.47,1.38,36.63,0.81,0,19.6,25.06,0,0
VEN012,0,0,1.08,0,17.75,5.28,35.45,0.84,0,18.96,19.97,0,0.68
VEN013,0.25,0,1.21,0.45,15.79,1.19,36.86,0,0.16,22.65,20.35,0,1.09
VEN014,0.03,1.48,0.2,2,19.88,0.31,40.69,0,0,22.46,10.78,0,2.17
VEN015,0,0,1.32,0,18.21,0.43,37.28,0.73,0,22.24,19.03,0.59,0.17
VEN016,0,0.43,0.62,0.15,18.61,0,35.11,0.64,0,22.48,21.18,0,0.79
VEN017,0,0,0,0,10.83,0,39.71,4.3,8.32,12.99,23.85,0,0
VEN018,0,1.42,2.61,0.61,19.64,0,37.25,0,0,14.31,24.15,0,0
VEN021,0,1.46,0,0,28.57,3.37,25,2.48,0,18.57,18.81,0,1.75
VEN022,0,2.88,0,0,18.17,3.73,31.21,0.56,0,20.49,22.04,0,0.93
VET001,0,1.36,0.46,0.09,7.78,0.86,44.61,0,0,11.07,33.61,0,0.15
VET002,1.81,0,0.17,0.51,9.71,0,51.56,0.42,0,6,29.83,0,0
VET003_4,0,0,0.49,0.01,10.63,0,48.66,0,0.5,6.88,32.61,0,0.23
VET005,0.27,0.55,0.65,0.01,2.93,0,37.24,0,0.42,6.97,50.11,0,0.86
VET007,0.28,0,0.87,0.49,9.44,0.26,52.22,0.47,0.5,2.97,32.5,0,0
VET008,0,0,2.05,0.08,19.49,0,47.11,0,0,13.47,15.94,0,1.87
VET010,0,0,0.88,0.4,9.11,0.67,51.33,0.44,0,5.6,31.56,0,0
VET011,0,1.69,0,0,9.03,0,56.26,0,0,3.24,26.75,0,3.03
VEU001,0,0,0,0.34,8.48,1.86,48.51,0,0,8.27,32.54,0,0
VOL001,0,0,0.93,0.01,8.56,0.51,46.3,0.42,0.39,8.49,34.38,0,0

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Distance to:Jovialis
3.24240651VEN013
4.01990050TAQ003
4.75213636VEN006
4.93654738ETR013
5.12963936VEN001
5.37851281VEN015
5.48651984VEN016
5.55091884TAQ020
5.75717813VEN010
6.00671291VEN009
6.30009524TAQ011
6.42409527ETR003
6.68628447TAQ009
6.78860810ETR014
7.02363154VEN005
7.76436089TAQ021
8.01757445POP001
8.03818387ETR004
8.44791690ETR010
8.46739039VEN012
8.47912142TAQ022
9.54584203VEN022
10.07067525ETR006
10.32986447ETR012
10.74665064MAS003

 
Here are all of the coordinates in Dodecad K12b format:

Code: 
CAM001,1.38,0.19,1.2,0,47.62,24.58,0,0,6.88,0,17.87,0.27
CAM002,4.72,0.03,0,1.59,40.47,34.19,0,0,4.64,0,13.94,0.44
CAM003,0.93,0.04,0.79,0,49.21,23.83,0,0,7,0.18,16.98,1.04
CSN001,0.74,0,1.6,0.73,46.5,23.83,0,0,7.19,0,19.25,0.16
CSN002,0,0.36,0,0,41.12,32.35,0,0,0,0,26.17,0
CSN003,0.97,0.01,2,0,49.14,21.97,1.05,0,7.95,0.53,15.93,0.45
CSN004,1.49,0,2.17,0.71,51.75,19.41,0.13,0,5.2,0,18.21,0.93
CSN005,1.48,0,4.65,0,39.23,28.19,0.65,0,6.11,0.54,19.16,0
CSN006,3.62,0,0,1.53,45.77,24.02,0.29,0,4.9,0,19.6,0.27
CSN007,0,0,0,0.5,50.29,20.45,0,0,10.86,0,17.91,0
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CSN012,7.01,0,10.55,0,41.84,29.45,0,0,0,0,11.15,0
CSN013,4.87,0,0.54,0,45.93,21.96,0.41,0,5.92,0.25,19.55,0.57
ETR003,10.36,0,2.55,0,30.58,19.47,0,0,10.98,0,25.66,0.41
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ETR005,2,0,0,1.54,45.54,20.52,0.17,0,9.35,1.02,18.73,1.13
ETR006,3.87,1.22,0,0,39.39,15.01,0,0,12.67,0,26.45,1.39
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MAS002,6.49,1.52,3.63,0,23.56,7.82,0,0.48,18.33,0.02,38.16,0
MAS003,2.81,0,8.6,1.47,34.71,11.66,0,1.28,11.86,0,26.84,0.76
MAS004,1.12,0,0.85,0,44.63,29.23,0,0,1.36,1.35,21.46,0
POP001,4.72,0.15,0.86,0,35.02,19.76,0,0,8.74,1.36,28.84,0.55
PRZ001,1.55,0.11,0,0,48.41,23.78,0,0,6.08,0.13,19.22,0.71
PRZ002,0,0,2.6,0.54,47.1,27.43,0,0,4.06,1.06,17.2,0
TAQ001,2.36,0,4.12,0.57,47.15,23.95,0,0,4.6,0,17.25,0
TAQ002,0,0,1.15,0.26,46.51,23.88,0,0,5.81,0,21.27,1.12
TAQ003,5.6,0,2.14,1.3,29.31,17.09,0.1,0.93,11.36,0,31.59,0.58
TAQ004,1.71,0.66,0.95,0.36,48.5,23.89,0,0,5.59,0,17.87,0.48
TAQ005,1.39,0.44,5.14,0,46.29,17.75,0.22,0.33,8.86,0.41,18.68,0.49
TAQ006,1.18,0,3.59,0,42.96,25.05,0.15,0,2.83,0,24.24,0
TAQ007,3.25,0.65,8.19,0,33.36,6.55,0.82,0,13.72,0.07,31.87,1.52
TAQ008,4.27,1.3,0.28,0.84,49.67,21.5,0,0,3.99,0,17.53,0.63
TAQ009,4.13,0.23,2.43,0.82,33.16,19.69,0.14,0,9.54,0,28.81,1.06
TAQ010,0,0,1.32,0.05,48.43,24.81,0.71,0,4.04,0,20.41,0.24
TAQ011,6.51,0.15,1.38,0.03,33.17,19.02,0,1.09,10.21,0,27.5,0.96
TAQ012,3.32,0,1.79,0,51.8,17.96,0.72,0,7.3,0,16.79,0.33
TAQ013,2.83,1.64,1.78,0,46.46,21.33,0,0,6.68,0,19.04,0.23
TAQ015,1.72,0,2.42,0,46.31,21.99,0,0,6.46,0.63,19.66,0.81
TAQ016,2.43,0,1.67,0,46.91,24.12,0.84,0,5.34,0,18.06,0.63
TAQ017,4.08,0,1.96,0,48.92,20.11,0,0,5.6,0,19.12,0.21
TAQ018,0,0,0.47,0,48.53,20.84,0.43,0,6.5,1.43,20.91,0.89
TAQ019,0.49,0,2.18,0,47.66,24.5,0.17,0,5.48,0.04,19.27,0.21
TAQ020,9.02,0.66,1.49,0.5,34.13,18.73,0.12,0,7.43,0,27.92,0
TAQ021,3.74,0,2.51,0,33.22,11.47,2.01,0,12.62,0,34.44,0
TAQ022,5.66,0,2.84,0,34.54,19.74,2.22,0,6.34,0,28.11,0.54
TAQ023,0.11,0,9.86,0,38.6,11.68,0.88,1.34,10.18,0,26.04,1.31
TAQ024,1.55,0.2,4.01,0.27,46.92,21.83,0,0.36,4.57,0,20.29,0
UDC_P,0,0,4.31,0,52.14,29.39,0,0,0.89,0,13.22,0.04
VEN001,5.14,0,3.87,0.01,28.18,17.6,0,0,11.33,2.38,29.77,1.73
VEN002,2.79,8.01,0,12.59,16.3,9.93,3.89,0.01,6.34,27.43,12.71,0
VEN005,6.66,0,4.28,1.53,32.55,10.92,0,0,10.86,0.37,32.83,0
VEN006,8.51,0.54,5.29,0.22,27.14,16.32,0,0,9.76,1.99,30.08,0.16
VEN008,4.55,6.58,0,0,36.17,16.54,2.72,0,8.77,0,23.04,1.63
VEN009,4.96,0,10.9,0.28,29.02,16.26,0,3.03,6.57,0,28.99,0
VEN010,16.14,0,2.12,1.09,37.1,15.42,0,0.05,13.2,0,14.88,0
VEN012,2.86,0,1.41,0.17,24.58,14.71,0,1.75,12.7,5.77,36.03,0.03
VEN013,7.7,0,5.12,0,28.43,14.81,0,0,10.94,1.22,30.32,1.45
VEN014,12.68,0,5.83,0,33.04,0,0,0.24,17.71,1.35,28.74,0.42
VEN015,7.16,0,3.85,0.73,28.62,13.96,0.39,0,13.73,0,30.9,0.64
VEN016,6.56,0,6.02,0,25.63,16.98,0,0,13.65,0.44,30.73,0
VEN017,1.13,1.55,0,0.12,32.91,17.47,3.75,0,12.37,3.07,27.62,0
VEN018,9.33,0,3.69,0,27.33,17.18,0,0,19.59,0,20.74,2.14
VEN021,8.65,0,0.51,3.3,17.54,14.06,0,2.43,21.68,1.47,30.37,0
VEN022,7.04,0,0,5.28,15.13,25.83,0,0.13,20.82,0,25.77,0
VET001,1.52,0,2.24,1.15,42.15,23.87,0,1.18,6.3,0,21.57,0
VET002,0.77,1.24,2.59,0,48.74,18.77,0,0,7.8,0.08,20.03,0
VET003_4,1.33,0,2.66,0,47.08,21.2,0.25,0.26,7.04,0.15,20.03,0
VET005,7.72,0.55,0,0,43.13,37.83,0,1.41,1.61,0,7.74,0
VET007,0,0,2.57,0.68,51.02,20.09,0.22,0,6.74,0.42,17.63,0.63
VET008,0.41,0,8.27,0,38.29,9.06,0,1.75,12.78,0.04,28.42,0.99
VET010,0,0,4.61,0.76,48.22,21.92,0.27,0,3.53,0,20.12,0.57
VET011,0,0,6.57,0,51.11,17.17,0,2.72,3.32,0,19.1,0
VEU001,0,0,1.86,2.69,45.76,22.07,0,0.83,3.79,0,23.01,0
VOL001,0.94,0,1.77,0,44.5,24.66,0.61,0.03,5.61,0,21.4,0.48
 
Distance to:VOL001
6.43223911Italian_Lombardy
6.88469044Swiss_Italian
8.41966745Spanish_Baleares

Distance to:VEU001
9.19258397Italian_Lombardy
10.54795774Swiss_Italian
10.66326873Italian_Liguria

Distance to:VET011
12.81594710Spanish_Asturias
12.94260020Sardinian
13.16768013Spanish_Andalusia

Distance to:VET010
9.96535499Spanish_Valencia
10.06046222Spanish_Castilla-Leon
10.52825722Spanish_Baleares

Distance to:VET008
12.46900958French_Corsica
14.33687846Italian_Marche
14.81474603Morocco_Jews

Distance to:VET007
10.47956583Spanish_Valencia
10.50955280Spanish_Andalusia
10.51310611Spanish_Aragon

Distance to:VET005
5.68386312French_North
6.47929780French_Northwest
6.56206522French_Northeast

Distance to:VET003_4
9.45572313Spanish_Castilla-Leon
9.46827862Spanish_Valencia
9.58280230Italian_Lombardy

Distance to:VET002
11.49356777French_Corsica
11.55484747Spanish_Valencia
11.61602772Spanish_Castilla-Leon

Distance to:VET001
4.82312140Italian_Lombardy
6.19209678Swiss_Italian
6.30357042Italian_Liguria

Distance to:VEN022
16.10389394Turk_Trakya
16.73056186Turk_Deliorman
16.91434598Turk_Makedonya

Distance to:VEN021
12.79627289Moldovan_Jewish
13.48169129Greek_Crete
13.48631529Ashkenazi_Jews

Distance to:VEN018
14.09788991Italian_Lazio
14.59717452Italian_Marche
15.10968564Italian_Abruzzo

Distance to:VEN017
8.21426101Italian_Marche
8.74135001Italian_Lazio
8.95216734Italian_Romagna

Distance to:VEN016
4.91174104Italian_Apulia
5.21448943Italian_Sicily
5.52336854Moldovan_Jewish

Distance to:VEN015
3.40978005Italian_Sicily
3.99129052Italian_Campania
4.16998801Italian_Abruzzo

Distance to:VEN014
12.20270872Morocco_Jews
14.66874228Italian_Jews
14.86124154Sephardic_Jews

Distance to:VEN013
3.72090043Italian_Abruzzo
3.98852103Italian_Sicily
5.30699538Italian_Apulia

Distance to:VEN012
6.69675294Ashkenazi_Jews
7.40276300Greek_Fournoi
7.46690029Moldovan_Jewish

Distance to:VEN010
16.64541078Italian_Emilia
16.66631033Italian_Tuscany
16.88779441Italian_Liguria

Distance to:VEN009
10.32048933Italian_Abruzzo
10.49089129Italian_Lazio
10.52835695Italian_Sicily

Distance to:VEN008
9.30416573French_Corsica
9.47580603Italian_Tuscany
9.89631244Italian_Romagna

Distance to:VEN006
4.45478395Italian_Abruzzo
4.99337561Italian_Apulia
5.44355582Italian_Sicily

Distance to:VEN005
5.49456095Italian_Campania
6.34406810Italian_Sicily
6.54599114Italian_Abruzzo

Distance to:VEN002
21.40350205Nogai_Stavropol
22.90032096Nogai_Astrakhan
23.14171342Karakalpak

Distance to:VEN001
4.99756941Italian_Abruzzo
5.46375329Italian_Apulia
5.71401785Italian_Lazio

Distance to:UDC_P
7.44380951Spanish_Cantabria
7.53467318Spanish_La_Rioja
8.54705212Spanish_Aragon

Distance to:TAQ024
8.98040645Spanish_Castilla-Leon
8.99380342Spanish_Valencia
9.16780235Spanish_Baleares

Distance to:TAQ023
10.74826963French_Corsica
13.78408154Italian_Marche
14.43503377Italian_Romagna

Distance to:TAQ022
3.91677163Italian_Romagna
4.62531339Italian_Marche
5.07221845Italian_Lazio

Distance to:TAQ021
6.22513454Italian_Campania
7.57892473Italian_Calabria
7.94185747Italian_Sicily

Distance to:TAQ020
4.06915028Italian_Marche
4.20366507Italian_Romagna
4.54747183Italian_Lazio

Distance to:TAQ019
8.22956256Spanish_Valencia
8.29298499Spanish_Baleares
8.48164489Spanish_Castilla-Leon

Distance to:TAQ018
11.21998663Italian_Lombardy
11.52501193Spanish_Valencia
11.74702090Spanish_Castilla-Leon

Distance to:TAQ017
8.89942133Spanish_Valencia
9.15087428Spanish_Castilla-Leon
9.29488031Spanish_Aragon

Distance to:TAQ016
6.35409317Spanish_Valencia
6.40137485Spanish_Baleares
6.63236760Spanish_Castilla-Leon

Distance to:TAQ015
8.52729148Spanish_Castilla-Leon
8.55580505Spanish_Baleares
8.55935161Spanish_Valencia

Distance to:TAQ013
8.27284715Spanish_Valencia
8.31624915Spanish_Castilla-Leon
8.45543021Spanish_Baleares

Distance to:TAQ012
10.27729050Spanish_Asturias
10.52615789Spanish_Andalusia
10.56366887Spanish_Aragon

Distance to:TAQ011
2.31046835Italian_Marche
2.88681485Italian_Lazio
3.19740520Italian_Romagna

Distance to:TAQ010
9.56737686Spanish_Baleares
9.71815826Spanish_Valencia
9.80062753Spanish_Catalonia

Distance to:TAQ009
2.85361595Italian_Marche
3.29390346Italian_Lazio
3.55123922Italian_Romagna

Distance to:TAQ008
7.82095263Spanish_Aragon
8.05373205Spanish_Valencia
8.47108021Spanish_Andalusia

Distance to:TAQ007
8.10217255Morocco_Jews
9.73909133Italian_Jews
10.25617863Sephardic_Jews

Distance to:TAQ006
6.73755891Italian_Lombardy
7.66617326Swiss_Italian
8.55755806Italian_Liguria

Distance to:TAQ005
10.52962962French_Corsica
10.89746301Spanish_Castilla-Leon
11.23862536Spanish_Valencia

Distance to:TAQ004
7.28425700Spanish_Valencia
7.62493934Spanish_Catalonia
7.76600283Spanish_Castilla-Leon

Distance to:TAQ003
3.18540421Italian_Abruzzo
4.27507895Italian_Apulia
4.96185449Italian_Campania

Distance to:TAQ002
8.64876292Italian_Lombardy
9.13891473Swiss_Italian
9.66500905Spanish_Baleares

Distance to:TAQ001
5.52772105Spanish_Valencia
5.66355895Spanish_Castilla-Leon
6.36551648Spanish_Baleares

Distance to:PRZ002
7.01919511Spanish_Catalonia
7.21702847Spanish_Baleares
7.26626451Spanish_Valencia

Distance to:PRZ001
8.68494099Spanish_Valencia
8.76847193Spanish_Baleares
8.95135185Spanish_Catalonia

Distance to:POP001
3.07801884Italian_Romagna
3.76601965Italian_Marche
4.61182177Italian_Lazio

Distance to:MAS004
7.33182191Swiss_Italian
8.31215375Italian_Trentino
8.34598706Italian_Aosta_Valley

Distance to:MAS003
10.84234310Italian_Marche
10.84947925French_Corsica
11.75661091Italian_Sicily

Distance to:MAS002
4.92469288Italian_Jews
5.02377348Sephardic_Jews
5.61389348Greek_Rhodes

Distance to:MAS001
6.31513262Moldovan_South
6.88544842Macedonian_Polog
6.91769470Moldovan_Gagauz

Distance to:MAG001
8.98022271Italian_Lombardy
9.34869309Swiss_Italian
10.38953801Spanish_Baleares

Distance to:ETR014
3.49521101Ashkenazi_Jews
4.47285144Moldovan_Jewish
5.09355475Italian_Campania

Distance to:ETR013
5.08379819Italian_Marche
6.67396434Italian_Lazio
6.92643487Italian_Abruzzo

Distance to:ETR012
17.59252398French_Corsica
17.91684403Italian_Emilia
18.22057902Italian_Tuscany

Distance to:ETR010
5.02440046French_Corsica
5.26141084Italian_Marche
5.52515158Italian_Romagna

Distance to:ETR007
3.59398108Albanian_Kosovo
3.92285610Greek_Thessaly
4.19192080Macedonian_South

Distance to:ETR006
6.35278679French_Corsica
9.13488369Italian_Tuscany
9.16145185Italian_Romagna

Distance to:ETR005
9.63166133Italian_Lombardy
10.17107172Spanish_Castilla-Leon
10.24601874Spanish_Valencia

Distance to:ETR004
10.18105594Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
11.27094051Greek_Lemnos
12.69473119Turk_Northwest

Distance to:ETR003
5.07980315Italian_Lazio
5.88935684Italian_Marche
6.64855623Italian_Romagna

Distance to:CSN013
7.50954060Spanish_Baleares
7.73653023Italian_Lombardy
8.05789675Spanish_Valencia

Distance to:CSN012
8.71669089Spanish_Galicia
8.88592145Portuguese
10.08135408Spanish_Castilla-Leon

Distance to:CSN010
6.63352094Italian_Aosta_Valley
7.25260643Portuguese
7.33271437Spanish_Baleares

Distance to:CSN009
5.17861589Swiss_Italian
5.49944543Italian_Veneto
5.62693522Italian_Lombardy

Distance to:CSN008
4.53519570Italian_Aosta_Valley
4.69781864Spanish_Baleares
4.79159812Swiss_Italian

Distance to:CSN007
12.06649908Spanish_Valencia
12.31676094Spanish_Castilla-Leon
12.35321820Spanish_Andalusia

Distance to:CSN006
6.78153375Spanish_Baleares
7.42041104Italian_Lombardy
7.79777292Swiss_Italian

Distance to:CSN005
4.61774431Swiss_Italian
5.60615733Italian_Trentino
6.39410666Italian_Piedmont

Distance to:CSN004
10.42013436Spanish_Aragon
10.70810441Spanish_Andalusia
10.73989292Spanish_Valencia

Distance to:CSN003
7.95387327Spanish_Valencia
8.15061347Spanish_Andalusia
8.24337916Spanish_Castilla-Leon

Distance to:CSN002
9.95255809Swiss_Italian
10.05901089Italian_Trentino
10.96726949Italian_Veneto

Distance to:CSN001
8.28195629Spanish_Baleares
8.47257340Spanish_Valencia
8.55003509Spanish_Castilla-Leon

Distance to:CAM003
7.82624431Spanish_Valencia
8.19754841Spanish_Catalonia
8.28318779Spanish_Aragon

Distance to:CAM002
5.75750814Italian_Aosta_Valley
5.79004318French_Northeast
6.57764396French_North

Distance to:CAM001
7.19879157Spanish_Valencia
7.48571306Spanish_Baleares
7.51992021Spanish_Castilla-Leon

 
Great job Jovialis, thank you

Dodecad Globe 13
Distance to:Duarte
7.11523014VOL001
7.33978883CSN010
7.48911877VET001
7.88628556TAQ002
7.93573563CSN013
7.98440981TAQ016
7.99661804TAQ004
8.00058123TAQ008
8.00884511CSN006
8.07916456TAQ015
8.20894634PRZ001
8.43333860CAM001
8.50301711TAQ013
8.52072767CSN009
8.56320034TAQ001
8.75379918PRZ002
8.91038159ETR005
8.96763068CSN005
9.00017222CAM003
9.07093159CSN003
9.14476353CSN001
9.29287899VEU001
9.31362443TAQ006
9.47892926VET003_4
9.54571108TAQ018
9.54704143TAQ010
9.61105093CSN008
9.75466042TAQ024
9.85856988CSN012
9.87977733TAQ019
9.91253752MAS004
10.23290281TAQ017
10.50818728MAG001
11.29156765VET010
11.52980486CSN004
11.79833039TAQ005
12.12199241CAM002
12.48226742VET007
12.54053029VET002
12.56094742TAQ012
13.22651126CSN002
13.56609008VEN008
14.86731650UDC_P
15.11523404MAS001
15.30763535CSN007
15.38911953ETR007
15.55856356TAQ022
16.06662690POP001
16.61071341TAQ009
16.87695766ETR006
16.94133702ETR010
17.06057443VEN017
17.31443906TAQ011
17.52307621VET011
17.77330301VET005
18.77136916VEN018
19.26569490VEN009
19.30661286VEN010
19.56886813TAQ023
19.64063899ETR013
21.07768014ETR003
21.19104764TAQ020
21.48125695VEN001
22.20614329TAQ003
22.60155968ETR012
22.94314059MAS003
23.45634882VEN012
23.83090850VEN013
23.93302530VET008
24.86291415VEN022
24.97380828VEN016
24.98883551TAQ021
25.21808875VEN006
25.30356892VEN015
26.35506403VEN005
27.03639214TAQ007
27.05825937ETR004
27.35004936ETR014
31.52998573VEN014
34.13124229VEN021
36.61380887MAS002
49.57409102VEN002



 
Jovialis: Many thanks, Great work. My Dodecad 12b distances vs. the Max Plank samples using the coordinates you provided in post #256.

Distance to:PalermoTrapani_Combined
2.38784422VEN015
4.04278369VEN013
4.24855269VEN005
4.61280826TAQ003
6.12952690TAQ021
6.18293620VEN001
6.18618622VEN006
6.44542473ETR013
6.46209718VEN016
7.28809303ETR014
8.15834542TAQ011
8.49709951TAQ009
9.17092689MAS003
9.23174415ETR003
9.35309040ETR010
9.52039915TAQ020
9.73570747TAQ007
9.87760092POP001
10.49192547VEN017
10.62509765VEN009
10.67940541TAQ022
10.73998603VEN012
11.58488671ETR006
12.44673049VET008
12.70596317MAS002
13.05927640ETR007
13.79130161TAQ023
13.97620120VEN018
14.18623981VEN008
16.22776941VEN014
16.65905460VEN021
16.83181511ETR004
20.24406086VEN010
20.29927585VET001
21.08475041MAS001
21.65758528TAQ006
21.83727089TAQ005
21.85302954CSN009
22.11514865ETR005
22.59411428VOL001
22.60958425VEU001
22.62228547CSN013
22.67655397CSN005
22.79961403VEN022
22.97496464VET003_4
22.99032405TAQ015
22.99342732TAQ013
23.26671442ETR012
23.55640465VET002
23.59097709TAQ024
23.86467683TAQ002
23.86844360CSN006
24.14161966CSN001
24.28374765TAQ018
24.41616268TAQ017
24.76550222MAG001
25.12551492CSN008
25.29067812TAQ016
25.37802593VET010
25.65278542TAQ019
25.73659845PRZ001
25.88254045CAM001
25.92178620TAQ001
26.22470782CSN007
26.44014939TAQ010
26.47554532TAQ004
26.77752416CSN002
26.78127331MAS004
26.85661185CSN003
26.86007260TAQ008
27.10743625TAQ012
27.17604276VET011
27.19175610VET007
27.25942773CAM003
27.38261492CSN004
28.18890739PRZ002
29.74582828CSN010
30.25433192CAM002
31.57937618CSN012
35.17383829UDC_P
38.06015633VET005
40.14503207VEN002



Target: PalermoTrapani_Combined
Distance: 0.4675% / 0.46751296 | ADC: 0.25x RC

44.1VEN015
32.5ETR001
8.3ETR014
7.3VEN009
6.6TAQ003
1.2VET008
 
My Dodecad Global 13 using Jovialis coordinates from post #254, many thanks again. Excellent work.

Distance to:PalermoTrapani_Combined
2.32557520VEN015
3.08883473VEN013
3.42431015ETR014
3.69657950TAQ003
3.99646093VEN006
4.14057967VEN016
4.54468921TAQ021
4.73190237VEN001
4.76427329VEN005
6.53611505ETR013
6.60501325VEN012
6.89843461TAQ020
7.12399467VEN009
7.17657300VEN010
7.73426144MAS003
8.20781944TAQ011
8.25178163TAQ009
8.44342940ETR003
9.09619701VEN022
9.65875768VEN018
9.76968781ETR010
9.88236308VEN014
9.99207686POP001
10.06674227ETR004
10.07792637ETR006
10.08632738ETR012
10.82388100TAQ022
10.92944646TAQ007
12.87559707VET008
12.94229114ETR007
13.00338802MAS002
13.01444198TAQ023
14.93869138VEN017
15.20399619VEN008
17.98730108MAS001
18.35345744VEN021
19.84855410TAQ005
21.01384306VET001
21.70235010TAQ015
21.77789016TAQ006
22.00980463CSN006
22.18473800CSN013
22.21661540TAQ017
22.31102418ETR005
22.62339497TAQ013
22.74259220TAQ016
22.79903726CSN009
23.02181791VEU001
23.08448397VOL001
23.21106633VET003_4
23.31277761CSN001
23.89087901TAQ018
23.92928541MAG001
23.93738708TAQ024
24.03355779CSN005
24.17438727VET002
24.55202232TAQ002
24.66936764CAM001
24.74823428TAQ001
25.00676508TAQ012
25.17686239TAQ004
25.19962103PRZ001
25.20722119TAQ008
25.22289833VET010
25.70631245CSN004
25.73235901CSN003
25.99078683CSN010
26.39478168TAQ019
26.54700171TAQ010
27.20756512CAM003
27.41396360CSN008
27.74924684VET007
28.02160417VET011
28.62775402MAS004
28.77077336CSN007
29.01514949PRZ002
30.07661550CAM002
30.36373330CSN002
30.85374694CSN012
35.81686474UDC_P
36.87892352VET005
49.30858140VEN002




Target: PalermoTrapani_Combined
Distance: 0.5265% / 0.52646930 | ADC: 0.25x RC

48.6ETR014
20.4VEN013
10.2ETR013
6.8TAQ023
6.1TAQ003
5.2VEN010
2.4VEN005
0.3TAQ021
 
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