Share Your IllustrativeDNA results Ancient and Modern

[ssha_cha7]

Nice that’s news to me. They had IDB in development but then it just disappeared on the site

I'm not the one to interpret but here's another post

Hello all!

We are now updating our system to version 2, which from now on will be called "DeepAncestry". This is a similar PCA based system with some changes and improvements to the old "G25" one.

Note: This is not a "simulated" system. All the data will be extracted from your raw DNA data and projected onto the PCA space. So the coordinates (will be available soon) are "original"

 

[Who Cares?]

Maybe its not "simulated", but its almost like a simulated

I'm not the one to interpret but here's another post

 

[qh777]

I'm not the one to interpret but here's another post

Well, I re-uploaded my merged DNA file. We'll find out soon what has changed.

 

[ssha_cha7]

My waiting page just changed from "within 24" hours to "tomorrow" so looks like it's going to be a while.

May also partially be related to Vahaduo seeking license fees.

Seems that basically he was okay being part of the sharing community, but since IllustrativeDNA is going "indie" from G25, he wants them to purchase the license.

Mytrueancestry looking pretty good today.

Calculation of license cost for IllustrativeDNA.
......

Therefore, I do not claim all the money earned......

Estimated licence cost for 2024: no less than €40000.

IllustrativeDNA owes me more than €100,000 in licence fees for the use of my work.

 

[ssha_cha7]

Taking a look at my results, nothing surprising.

On NW-Euro supervision I received Central Siberian at ~20%, so probably not ready yet. Closest modern populations are Celtic shifted, usually Germanic. Modern DIY used to have English, or Danish, now uses Icelandic. Seems there some more work to do. At any rate I've learned about all I set out to.

There's some hope for their new system though. DIY with some adjustments has some signs of nuance. Picked up on Kent, bit of Irish, Norwegian.

Northwest Europe
92.6%
___
Brittany
38.6%
Breton
38.6%

Scandinavia
37.2%
___
Danish
22.6%
Norwegian
14.6%

British Isles
16.8%
___
English (Kent)
13.2%
Irish
3.6%

 

[qh777]

One thing I was hoping for was that Illustrative would produce new G25 coordinates for the update. So far all I have to download are unscaled.

Edit: Just read this from Reddit.

 

[qh777]

Top 20 closest modern populations according to IllustrativeDNA's new 25 coordinates PCA system:

Top 5 2 way models:

Top 5 3-way models:

 

[ssha_cha7]

I'll post some one or two simple photos, however, this seems a new tool? Adjusting selected samples for periodical (gear emblem). At least I hadn't noticed.

 

[ssha_cha7]

A mere sampling. Maybe my most Celtic results in some periods.

Population
distance
1English (Kent)2.520
2Breton2.576
3English (Cornwall)2.602
4Irish2.604
5 CEU (Utah)2.631
6Scottish2.640
7Welsh2.666
8Danish2.730
9Orcadian2.750
10Icelander2.811
11Dutch2.825
12Norwegian2.919
13German3.295
14Swedish3.527


Closest Ancient Samples
Iron Age Briton
2.624
Post-Medieval Faroese
2.769
Medieval Frisian (Groningen)
2.829
Gaul (Faux-Vesigneul)
2.907
Norse Viking (Funen)
2.977
Saxon (Kent)
3.011
Medieval Schleswig
3.013
Medieval Dane (Zealand)
3.040
Saxon (Lower Saxony)
3.040
Romano-Briton
3.048
Medieval Gael (Roscommon)
3.049

Iron Age
Germanic (AD 100–600)
49.0%
Continental Celt (800–50 BC)
34.6%
Insular Celt (600 BC–AD 100)
16.4%

 

[qh777]

I'll post some one or two simple photos, however, this seems a new tool? Adjusting selected samples for periodical (gear emblem). At least I hadn't noticed.

I never noticed that under the supervised models before.

 

[qh777]

This is from the Iron Age:
2 way:

Overall, the fit numbers are better and distances to previously genetically close modern and ancient populations are closer.

I still get near east admix in the models but slightly less often and percentages a bit lower 2.2% to 4.8% when it was higher around 4-5%

 

[ssha_cha7]

Definitely some good news. And processing priority must be based on original upload date. Hopefully by tomorrow there'll be some unsupervised.

I'm not sure how dialed in you are to the near east, but from the eurogenes you posted it looked like there was an "Arab" or Yemen like component as part of a North African component. Which was then a component of the ancestry read as "Spanish", which is probably French.

I'm not sure how far you've gone into it. Here the lower Egyptian which plots close to Yemeni, Bedouin, anyhow also suggests it's "nested" in the other larger mediterranean. Probably you are much, much more along than this.

It has the appearance of a mixed ~GG-Grandparent generally about half Yemeni half Algerian.

A similar question in my case. Dodecad seems to pick up on the locale of the mysterious haplogroup.

98.5%Kent (1000Genomes)+1.5%Chuvashs (Behar)@0.36
4 99.5%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.5%Selkup (Rasmussen)@0.41
5 99.2%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.8%Nogais (Yunusbayev)@0.41
6 97.1%Kent (1000Genomes)+2.9%Mordovians (Yunusbayev)@0.41
7 99.5%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.5%Ket (Rasmussen)@0.41
8 94%Kent (1000Genomes)+6%Ukranians (Yunusbayev)@0.42
9 99.6%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.4%Evenk (Rasmussen)@0.42
10 99.6%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.4%Yakut (HGDP)@0.42
11 99.7%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.3%Nganassan (Rasmussen)@0.42
12 87%Orkney (1000Genomes)+13%N_Italian (Dodecad)@0.42
13 99.6%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.4%Dolgan (Rasmussen)@0.42
14 99.6%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.4%Yukagir (Rasmussen)@0.43
15 99.5%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.5%Altai (Rasmussen)@0.43
16 99.6%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.4%Tuva (Rasmussen)@0.43
17 99.4%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.6%Uzbeks (Behar)@0.44
18 99.6%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.4%Buryat (Rasmussen)@0.44

 

[qh777]

Definitely some good news. And processing priority must be based on original upload date. Hopefully by tomorrow there'll be some unsupervised.

By the way, FM6880173 is my GEDmatch, too. Our results are similar to wonder how many cM are in common.

I'm not sure how dialed in you are to the near east, but from the eurogenes you posted it looked like there was an "Arab" or Yemen like component as part of a North African component. Which was then a component of the ancestry read as "Spanish", which is probably French.

I'm not sure how far you've gone into it. Here the lower Egyptian which plots close to Yemeni, Bedouin, anyhow also suggests it's "nested" in the other larger mediterranean. Probably you are much, much more along than this.

It has the appearance of a mixed ~GG-Grandparent generally about half Yemeni half Algerian.

A similar question in my case. Dodecad seems to pick up on the locale of the mysterious haplogroup.

98.5%Kent (1000Genomes)+1.5%Chuvashs (Behar)@0.36
4 99.5%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.5%Selkup (Rasmussen)@0.41
5 99.2%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.8%Nogais (Yunusbayev)@0.41
6 97.1%Kent (1000Genomes)+2.9%Mordovians (Yunusbayev)@0.41
7 99.5%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.5%Ket (Rasmussen)@0.41
8 94%Kent (1000Genomes)+6%Ukranians (Yunusbayev)@0.42
9 99.6%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.4%Evenk (Rasmussen)@0.42
10 99.6%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.4%Yakut (HGDP)@0.42
11 99.7%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.3%Nganassan (Rasmussen)@0.42
12 87%Orkney (1000Genomes)+13%N_Italian (Dodecad)@0.42
13 99.6%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.4%Dolgan (Rasmussen)@0.42
14 99.6%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.4%Yukagir (Rasmussen)@0.43
15 99.5%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.5%Altai (Rasmussen)@0.43
16 99.6%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.4%Tuva (Rasmussen)@0.43
17 99.4%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.6%Uzbeks (Behar)@0.44
18 99.6%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.4%Buryat (Rasmussen)@0.44

I can only speculate on what the near east and Mediterranean is. I don’t think it’s a misread or noise. I took a big Y test for a more in depth analysis of my paternal haplogroup. From there it will allow me to possibly narrow down the guesses. All I can say at this point the Near East admixture results are reflecting earlier admixture events into northwestern Europe from Roman and Hellenistic period and possibly a bit earlier. Which doesn’t necessarily diminish the significance; it may actually be part of my genetic makeup. It’s most likely not from a single or a couple great, great, great, great, great, etc. grandparents.

 

[ssha_cha7]

I see. To me it looks like the Arab conquest of Spain but you have much more experience and information.

For my own mystery, I am concluding a likely path of Lipka Tatar thanks to dodecad. The facial characteristics are very similar across family photos.

 

[qh777]

I would upload the images but the admin has disabled attachments for me without any notification so it's time to move on from this community. Simply wanted to share. Best of luck.

You might want to contact a moderator. It could have been a glitch.

 

[qh777]

I see. To me it looks like the Arab conquest of Spain but you have much more experience and information.

My Big Y test results have not come in yet (hopefully before Christmas) but I will say that J2a is not really associated with Spain. It's more common in Italy, Greece, Turkey, and the Levant.

 

[ssha_cha7]

Understood. It's very interesting and certainly diverse.

For the images I think I see it now. My posts were weirdly automatically flagged for approval with images, and so it was turned off. Oh well I'll just type.

Although I cannot post pictures
The unsupervised models arrived and have some more clues for what I am interested in, Finnic and Tatar.

Basque (Spain)
24.6%
Icelander
73.3%
Russian (Voronezh) (South City)
2.1%

Basque (Spain)
25%
Finnish (Central)
2%
Icelander
73%

Basque (Spain)
25.6%
Icelander
71.5%
Ingrian
2.9%

Basically my underlying theory is that I've identified two vectors to Sweden, via Ingria (ancient) and South Russia (~1000-1500ad). Of course not to interpret too literally or oversimplify something so intricate.

It's complicated also due to components. Ancient Baltic components which could be North Swedish, read Latvian. And so on.

Still pretty high values for Baltic, especially for only 25% Swedish. These are nearly Finnish or Russian values for Baltic

Iron Age Briton
56.5%
Transalpine Gaul
31.5%
Estonia (Iron Age)
12%

 

[qh777]

Definitely some good news. And processing priority must be based on original upload date. Hopefully by tomorrow there'll be some unsupervised.

I'm not sure how dialed in you are to the near east, but from the eurogenes you posted it looked like there was an "Arab" or Yemen like component as part of a North African component. Which was then a component of the ancestry read as "Spanish", which is probably French.

I'm not sure how far you've gone into it. Here the lower Egyptian which plots close to Yemeni, Bedouin, anyhow also suggests it's "nested" in the other larger mediterranean. Probably you are much, much more along than this.

It has the appearance of a mixed ~GG-Grandparent generally about half Yemeni half Algerian.

A similar question in my case. Dodecad seems to pick up on the locale of the mysterious haplogroup.

98.5%Kent (1000Genomes)+1.5%Chuvashs (Behar)@0.36
4 99.5%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.5%Selkup (Rasmussen)@0.41
5 99.2%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.8%Nogais (Yunusbayev)@0.41
6 97.1%Kent (1000Genomes)+2.9%Mordovians (Yunusbayev)@0.41
7 99.5%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.5%Ket (Rasmussen)@0.41
8 94%Kent (1000Genomes)+6%Ukranians (Yunusbayev)@0.42
9 99.6%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.4%Evenk (Rasmussen)@0.42
10 99.6%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.4%Yakut (HGDP)@0.42
11 99.7%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.3%Nganassan (Rasmussen)@0.42
12 87%Orkney (1000Genomes)+13%N_Italian (Dodecad)@0.42
13 99.6%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.4%Dolgan (Rasmussen)@0.42
14 99.6%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.4%Yukagir (Rasmussen)@0.43
15 99.5%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.5%Altai (Rasmussen)@0.43
16 99.6%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.4%Tuva (Rasmussen)@0.43
17 99.4%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.6%Uzbeks (Behar)@0.44
18 99.6%Kent (1000Genomes)+0.4%Buryat (Rasmussen)@0.44

Not sure what the consensus would be on admixture percentages less than 1%. To me that is definitely illustrating overlap from a long time ago like with Ancestral North Eurasians or noise. Unless you can find and document all 510 of your ancestors from 8 generations ago!

 

[ssha_cha7]

Not sure what the consensus would be on admixture percentages less than 1%. To me that is definitely illustrating overlap from a long time ago like with Ancestral North Eurasians or noise. Unless you can find and document all 510 of your ancestors from 8 generations ago!

It's an interesting case. I probably would have dismissed it as noise if not for R-FT353700.

Many of my possible subclades are Turkic and my paternal GG-Grandfather has been said by Bashkir Tatars to resemble them. North Caucasian groups I attribute to him as well. There could be a Mordvin factor or a Lithuanian Tatar factor. Ultimately, it's a human factor.

Meanwhile my paternal GG-GM is very East Asian in appearance. I think Siberian groups such as Evenk/Nganasan are from her, and are very very ancient. If she is indeed descended from North Sweden (very possible) I read the Siberian admixture in those regions is not recent.

It's all very fortunate to have photos in this regard, and respective matches on GEDmatch. It's been a lot of research

 

[qh777]

Basque (Spain)
25%
Finnish (Central)
2%
Icelander
73%

Finnish can be explained through some interaction between Scandinavia. I mean I can't blame the Scandinavian guys marrying some Finnish girls haha. You should look up the former prime minister of Finland Sanna Marin. She's quite a good-looking lady.