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    Haplogroup N1c is Mongoloid / Siberian ?

    To my knowledge, there is no such a priori hierarchy. All that matters is: in which language we can find semantically and phonologically most plausible original? Very often it is some Germanic language stage, although Baltic loanwords are also numerous, considering that they are temporarily more...
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    Haplogroup N1c is Mongoloid / Siberian ?

    I continue here, because the linguistic thread is locked. Wrong again: no Samoyed people have that much N1c, only N1b. Source: Tambets et al. 2004: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1181943/ You should understand that genome-widely Finns have only few percents Asian genes – that is a...
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    Which is more European ? Finno-ugric languages or Indo-European languages?

    That is actually totally erroneous: Nganasans have N1b 91 %! And none N1c. Nenets don't have that much N1c, either.
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    Which is more European ? Finno-ugric languages or Indo-European languages?

    Actually I found all your points. It’s not my fault if you forgot to write down some of your points. :) We mainly agree here. Except this point: Uralic did not necessarily evolve from an earlier language with Altaic roots. Even the Altaic languages do not share common protolanguage, but the...
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    Which is more European ? Finno-ugric languages or Indo-European languages?

    Very interesting suggestion! However, Proto-Finnic *rakta would be rauta only in (West) Finnish, while it would have been preserved as **rakta in Karelian and Vepsian. Because we have rauta in all Finnic languages, this explanation is not so good. Also meaning 'red' in Sanskrit is not as close...
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    Which is more European ? Finno-ugric languages or Indo-European languages?

    That is utter nonsense! No true historical linguist claims that Hungarian has more similarities with Turkic than Finnic or other Uralic languages. Read this and then present your counter-evidence, if you can: http://www.elisanet.fi/alkupera/Hungarian.pdf Sorry, but your opinion is...
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    Which is more European ? Finno-ugric languages or Indo-European languages?

    N is too wide and too old stage to be compared to Uralic languages. N has dispersed to different subhaplogroups during the Ice Age, but dispersal of Late Proto-Uralic only occurred during the Early Northern Bronze Age. Therefore the distinction that Samoyeds have N1b and others have N1c cannot...
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    Which is more European ? Finno-ugric languages or Indo-European languages?

    There probably was an old Uralic word for 'forest', but still, Proto-Finnic speakers acquired a new word. There could be many reasons for borrowing such a word: bilingualism (they borrowed also other "futile" words for relatives and body parts, which tells about intense contact and/or wide...
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    Which is more European ? Finno-ugric languages or Indo-European languages?

    There are few words denoting to animal husbandry and agriculture in Proto-Uralic: http://www.sgr.fi/susa/92/hakkinen.pdf Page 28, 3.5. It is possible, or they were Turkic (ethnonymic and even genetic connection to the madjars of Kazakhstan). However, it is not reasonable to think any...
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    Which is more European ? Finno-ugric languages or Indo-European languages?

    1. There are rather old loanwords between Permic and Ugric languages 2. There are grammatical innovations shared by Permic and Hungarian 3. Proto-Uralic was spoken in Europe Based on these, it is more economical to think that Ugric languages spread from the west to the east. Yes, we do know...
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    Which is more European ? Finno-ugric languages or Indo-European languages?

    No, but it tells us that the deepest taxonomic gap (between Finno-Permic and Ugro-Samoyedic) was located in Europe. That is one hint towards the area of dispersion of Late Proto-Uralic in Europe, but of course not the only one. We cannot speculate with some hypothetical, lost Uralic languages...
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    Which is more European ? Finno-ugric languages or Indo-European languages?

    It is possible to recognize some similar words based on regular sound changes, like Fi., Est. kala ~ Hu. hal ‘fish’. But many words are totally unrecognizable for the laymen, like Fi. hiiri ~ Hu. egér ‘mouse’ (regular cognates). Finnish and Estonian are closely related, like Germanic...
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    Which is more European ? Finno-ugric languages or Indo-European languages?

    Wow, Moesan already presented many up-to-date links, but I will still answer to some commentators. Actually that is not the case. Historical linguists agree with the Pontic Steppe theory, because it is based on linguistic evidence. Few computational phylogeneticists have supported the outdated...
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    New dedicated page for Y-haplogroup N1c

    Wiik’s Uralic substrate in Germanic has been disproved already at the 90’s. Besides, we know that: 1. there is a substrate in Germanic, but it has nothing in common with the Uralic languages – neither on the level of words nor phonotactics 2. Proto-Uralic only spread from the Volga-Kama region...
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    New dedicated page for Y-haplogroup N1c

    Uralic substrate in Germanic has been totally disproved; unfortunately the debate was mainly in Finnish. Besides, we know that: 1. There is a substratum in Germanic, and it has nothing in common with the Uralic languages; 2. The Uralic language only spread from the Volga-Kama region around 2000...
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