Maybe you should consult the survivors of the wars he unleashed, and which he openly promised to unleash from the very beginning, or their descendants, not just those with uniforms on, but maybe of the women and children and old people strafed from the air as they fled the cities, like Paris, or the same non-combattants burned alive in their churches because their men didn't like being "occupied", or the many who practically starved when all their good food, and clothes, and art, and anything else worth having was shipped to Germany, or the young men shipped as slave labor to make the German factories hum, or most of all, the survivors of the camps where those he and his followers believed were "sub-human" or even just those who objected to their brutal rule, were killed.
This thread began with the question of how most Germans in the aftermath of the war could believe that Nazism was a "good idea badly carried out." My suggestion, in reply, is that one should read Richard Tedor's book for a fair-minded treatment of National Socialist goals and accomplishments. Doing so might make German attitudes after the war less mystifying. One could even say that Tedor openly sympathizes with Hitler's program, if the policy toward Jews is bracketed, and which he in fact barely discusses. Such imaginative sympathy makes for a far more enlightening read, in my view, than standard accounts, which are heavy-handed in their demonization of the Nazis. Roughly 80 years have passed since the era, before it was consumed by war, and surely there is much to be learned from what the Nazis attempted, their successes and their abject failures, especially if one is seeking an alternative to the globalist-capitalist order.
Angela serves up a litany of Nazi crimes. She refers to the wars Hitler "unleashed." She ignores the injustices of Versailles, the great suffering of the German people at the hands of the Allies. What is more, she ignores the role of Churchill. Yes, Hitler was a military adventurist who overplayed his cards--though arguably his greatest strategic errors were due to his conservative "siege" mentality aimed at securing & defending resources rather than the forward drive of a swift kill--but he also made many overtures for peace, before Poland, after Poland, and after the fall of France. It was Churchill who was dead-set on war, and who resorted to all manner of treachery to get war.
Angela refers, too, to innocents "strafed from the air as they fled cities," of non-combatants burned alive in churches, and people "practically starved" to death. Well, I can assure Angela that the British blockade (with Churchill its most forceful advocate) worked to starve millions to death in Germany after the Armistice of 1918 until the signing of the Versailles treaty in June 1919, and even points beyond; and that many more would starve again in Germany in the course of World War II. As for bombing innocents from the air, need I even mention the fire-bombing of Dresden, of Hamburg, of countless German cities. Read Sebald's "A Natural History of Destruction."
And then we have the Nazi persecution of Jews. It is not my wish to defend or trivialize the concentration camps, though I must say that I am skeptical of the gas chambers story. Skeptical, which is to say, unconvinced. Perhaps if we could have open scholarly debate on the subject, then certain conclusions might be reached. Instead, we have "eye witness" accounts that are rife with contradiction and discredited by absurd tales long since abandoned (lamp shades & soap made from human flesh, etc). And as for physical evidence of gas chambers, let's just say that it is scant. However, I also recognize that Himmler & the Waffen SS would have gone to any lengths to eradicate the Jews, so perhaps something truly horrific did happen at Treblinka, Chelmno, Belzec, et al. Or maybe these camps were just transfer points. I don't know. I am no expert. I have merely read a few books, conventional and revisionist. But if I were to go by historical hunch, I would say roughly 500,000 Jews died in concentration camps, not from gassing, but from starvation and typhus. And perhaps another 1 million died in extremely vicious partisan warfare behind the lines of the Eastern front.
So, yes, the Jews suffered greatly at the hands of the Nazis. But things need to be put in proper perspective. First, we have Eisenhower and the POW camps after the close of the war. A million German POWs deliberately made to die. And, in general, see the book "Savage Continent." Second, the fire-bombings of German cities, but also the fire-bombing of Tokyo. Third, Hiroshima & Nagasaki. All crimes committed by the Allies, and which, if you do not buy the gas chamber narrative (and, granted, this is a big if), far outweigh Nazi crimes.
And then, to gain further perspective, we must consider Jewish crimes, for not all Jews were innocents. Jews were heavily over-represented and extremely prominent among the Bolsheviks, especially the NKVD. The Russian Revolution was in many respects a war of the Jews against the Russian people. Marxist ideology in the service of virulent racial animus. Jews have much more Russian blood on their hands from the 1920s and 30s than Germans ever had of Jewish blood in the 40s. (See Yuri Slezkine, "The Jewish Century"). Throughout the 1920s, Germany was very much in peril of falling to the Communists, who were disproportionately Jews, and murderous in their methods. Rosa Luxemburg and Berlin, Kurt Eisner and Munich, Bela Kun and Hungary.
Again, none of this is to whitewash Nazi crimes, but perspective is in order. Hitler and the Nazis were not uniquely evil. On the contrary, they were typical of their era.
Oh, and for the record, we didn't win anything.
By victors, I meant the British and Americans, making you unintentionally correct on this point.
If, however, by "we" you mean the Jews, well let's be honest . . . .
(1) In addition to massive reparations to Israel and individual Holocaust survivors--effectively any Jew who was alive anywhere in Europe during the war--you also won a great deal of moral capital
(2) For that segment of Jewry intimately involved with high finance, they were now able to pursue a globalist agenda (with their Anglo-American and soon other partners) unfettered by a German or European challenge or critique
(3) Jews gained in relative terms by using the specter of Nazism to discredit all nationalist & identitarian instincts & sentiments among European peoples
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