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28-02-22, 23:21
Northener

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Originally Posted by bicicleur 2

It's still Duitsland in Dutch or Deutschland in German.
Germany, Germania are other languages.
But in French it is Allemagne, refering to the Allemani, a Germanic tribe taht settled east of the Frankish empire in the very early middle ages.

Yes and the original Germani spoke celtic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germani_cisrhenani
28-02-22, 23:23
Northener

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Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani

Imo an otherworldly position. The Europeans have, in cooperation with the US, made Russians under Putin to a paria. This has already reached a point of no return with Putin's Russia.

We can survive it when Russia turns the 'gas tap' off now. And for the rest we have a zero dependance of Russia. They have a simplistic economy with a BBP as big as the Benelux (60% incomes is gas and oil, 84% of gas and oil go to Europe). They are not an economic giant. The Russian economy is already in a free fall now.

We live mostly in old stabile democracies with advanced economies so no need to join or cooperate with Putin's Russia.
The Transatlantic cooperation stays important even more in the long term with regard to China.

Northerner [Re post #633]: Not to be the edit police, but that first sentence you quoted is not mine. The 2nd one, that one, yes.[/QUOTE]

May aim was to target the supposed European/ Germany and Russian alliance....I know this is from Dominique.
28-02-22, 23:29
Malaparte

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Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani

Malaparte: Nothing liberal, if by that you mean aligned to the modern DEM party in the USA, about me.

When I say liberal, I mean the post-1945/post-1989 order built by the US and which served the interests of its elite governing classes

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Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani

But Putin curbing freedom of the press is one thing is non-negotiable for me. I am all for more and more different press organizations. The liberals hate Fox news and conservative talk radio (i.e. like the late Rush Limbaugh), the Wall street Journal editorial page (which is right of center), the conservatives hate CNN, MSNBC and the legacy print media (NYT, WAPO). I am for all media and I think I am smart enough to figure out what is legit and what is BS. But Putin's retrograde signs were present the moment he took power. Cracking down on the press at the same time asking for NATO membership are are not things that are aligned.

I am greatly committed to free speech, more than most people here. I say this from experience. However, corporate censorship is a reality that people who think in any overly formalistic way appear unable to grasp. Corporate censorship is more pervasive and more sophisticated than state censorship.

So, yes, I believe in free speech. But I don't imagine that Putin is its greatest enemy.
28-02-22, 23:36
bigsnake49

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Originally Posted by Malaparte

If this report is true, Poland & Bulgaria have lost all sense . . . . Supplying Ukraine with MIG-29s? Combat sorties from Poland?

https://southfront.org/nato-countrie...ar-in-ukraine/

Those MIG-29s cost a lot to maintain and probably gathering dust. Let the Ukrainians have them. The other thing is that all the airfields have been bombed and are unusable. That's why the drones are so much better.
28-02-22, 23:38
Malaparte

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Originally Posted by Northerner

Imo an otherworldly position. The Europeans have, in cooperation with the US, made Russians under Putin to a paria. This has already reached a point of no return with Putin's Russia.

Only time will tell. Certainly Europe has turned against Russia as of today. This reflects the power of the mass media and the corruption of its current leaders (no less corrupt than American leaders). But soon reality will make itself felt. The era of "narratives" has been brought to an end.

Reality #1 --> Russian missiles & troops stationed directly opposite NATO installations along western borders of Belarus & Ukraine

Reality #2 ---> major energy crisis in Europe -- on this one, only time will tell how much pain Europeans are willing to endure --> and for what reason? ---> people will suffer for a just cause, but not for cynical games
28-02-22, 23:46
bicicleur 2

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Originally Posted by Northener

Yes and the original Germani spoke celtic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germani_cisrhenani

The Germani cisrhenani were not representative for the whole of the Germanic tribes.
The cisrehani were those who had crossed the Rhine and had settled among domestic Celtic tribes.
The Belgae conquered by Julius Caesar were not all Celtic, they were a allready a mixture of Celtic and Germanic tribes.
That's why they were more fierce in battle than the Gauls.
28-02-22, 23:48
bicicleur 2

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Originally Posted by bigsnake49

Those MIG-29s cost a lot to maintain and probably gathering dust. Let the Ukrainians have them. The other thing is that all the airfields have been bombed and are unusable. That's why the drones are so much better.

I'd like to see those drones.
IMO you can't launch rockets from a drone.
The only one who does such things is James Bond.
28-02-22, 23:58
bicicleur 2

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Originally Posted by bicicleur 2

I'd like to see those drones.
IMO you can't launch rockets from a drone.
The only one who does such things is James Bond.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...ones-congress/

appearantly they don't launch rockets, they drop small bombs.
I guess some high precision is required to hit the target in the right spot.
01-03-22, 00:06
bicicleur 2

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Originally Posted by bicicleur 2

https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...ones-congress/

appearantly they don't launch rockets, they drop small bombs.
I guess some high precision is required to hit the target in the right spot.

the 'drones' they actualy use are rather small unmanned planes
they need a runway to take off and land

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baykar_Bayraktar_TB2
01-03-22, 00:18
Vallicanus

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Originally Posted by Malaparte

So, yes, I believe in free speech. But I don't imagine that Putin is its greatest enemy.

Are you trolling us or are you a sad Putin apologist?
01-03-22, 07:15
firetown

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Originally Posted by bicicleur 2

The Germani cisrhenani were not representative for the whole of the Germanic tribes.
The cisrehani were those who had crossed the Rhine and had settled among domestic Celtic tribes.
The Belgae conquered by Julius Caesar were not all Celtic, they were a allready a mixture of Celtic and Germanic tribes.
That's why they were more fierce in battle than the Gauls.

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Map of the Roman Empire and Magna Germania in the early second century
01-03-22, 08:59
Northener

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Originally Posted by bicicleur 2

The Germani cisrhenani were not representative for the whole of the Germanic tribes.
The cisrehani were those who had crossed the Rhine and had settled among domestic Celtic tribes.
The Belgae conquered by Julius Caesar were not all Celtic, they were a allready a mixture of Celtic and Germanic tribes.
That's why they were more fierce in battle than the Gauls.

They certainly were the original name givers. And indeed the rest is arbitrary. No coverage form Uppsala to Wijnaldum. There is no such thing as a German nucleus or unity. #backtotpic
01-03-22, 09:01
Tomenable

Summary of the 5th day of war:

https://militaryland.net/ukraine/inv...day-5-summary/
01-03-22, 09:06
Northener

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Originally Posted by Malaparte

When I say liberal, I mean the post-1945/post-1989 order built by the US and which served the interests of its elite governing classes

I am greatly committed to free speech, more than most people here. I say this from experience. However, corporate censorship is a reality that people who think in any overly formalistic way appear unable to grasp. Corporate censorship is more pervasive and more sophisticated than state censorship.

So, yes, I believe in free speech. But I don't imagine that Putin is its greatest enemy.

There was in Europe never such prosperity than after ww2, with a high emancipation of ordinary people. The Golden Years at least in the west.

Neoliberalism released the beast.....with regard to big corporates.

Speaking about free speech ask it to Navalny.....or just the ordinary Rus wo wants to demonstrate against war. Free speech?
01-03-22, 09:27
Tomenable

Russian shelling of Kharkiv about 30 minutes ago - https://twitter.com/i/status/1498547843262566400
01-03-22, 09:34
Tomenable

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malaparte

I am greatly committed to free speech, more than most people here. I say this from experience. However, corporate censorship is a reality that people who think in any overly formalistic way appear unable to grasp. Corporate censorship is more pervasive and more sophisticated than state censorship.

So, yes, I believe in free speech. But I don't imagine that Putin is its greatest enemy.

George Soros apparently supports Ukraine (why not Russia?):

https://i.imgur.com/lmWKnpu.jpg

Do you think that Jewish American - Barbara Lerner Spectre - "predicted" current events (Zelensky at the center of events)?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2oKhAb1BxI

"Jews [like Zelensky & Co. ???] are gonna be at the center of that. It's a huge transformation for Europe to make (...) and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation Europe will not survive."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2oKhAb1BxI

^^^ Leading Role:

https://i.imgur.com/8ulXhaE.png

https://i.imgur.com/vCuw1om.jpg
01-03-22, 09:44
Tomenable

George Soros publicly showing his support for Ukraine can only harm Ukraine's cause. Because he is too controversial.

Even though his words make sense (this time).
01-03-22, 09:45
Northener

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Originally Posted by Malaparte

Only time will tell. Certainly Europe has turned against Russia as of today. This reflects the power of the mass media and the corruption of its current leaders (no less corrupt than American leaders). But soon reality will make itself felt. The era of "narratives" has been brought to an end.

Reality #1 --> Russian missiles & troops stationed directly opposite NATO installations along western borders of Belarus & Ukraine

Reality #2 ---> major energy crisis in Europe -- on this one, only time will tell how much pain Europeans are willing to endure --> and for what reason? ---> people will suffer for a just cause, but not for cynical games

Sorry but this is a "hillbilly position". Tea party revisited (Malaparte as the new Ross Perot? ) It's not the mass media who have done it or the elites, it is Vladimir Putin and his clan in the Kremlin.

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Reality #1 --> Russian missiles & troops stationed directly opposite NATO installations along western borders of Belarus & Ukraine:

That needs unity, one force NATO (no division or isolation, when it comes to an Amergendon the US will not be in splendid isolation).

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Reality #2 ---> major energy crisis in Europe -- on this one, only time will tell how much pain Europeans are willing to endure --> and for what reason? ---> people will suffer for a just cause, but not for cynical games

We can stand the heat (or no heating ;) the generation of my grandparent ate tulip bulbs at the end of NAZI time, we will not reach that level, no surrender to Putin, who is the biggest cynical, look at the custer bombing of innocent people!
01-03-22, 09:46
Tomenable

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Originally Posted by Northener

There was in Europe never such prosperity than after ww2, with a high emancipation of ordinary people. The Golden Years at least in the west.

Yeah, only in the west. Not in the Communist-ruled part of Europe.

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Davidski closed his blog because of the war:

https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2022/...of-europe.html
01-03-22, 09:51
Northener

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Originally Posted by Tomenable

Yeah, only in the west. Not in the Communist-ruled part of Europe.

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Davidski closed his blog because of the war:

https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2022/...of-europe.html

Indeed and after 89 until now also in parts of the east, I saw in recent years some info from you about Poland.....
01-03-22, 10:30
Northener

Humor intended,

the Swedish contribution:
https://i.postimg.cc/G25kkz0H/Whats-...t-22-21-02.jpg
01-03-22, 10:42
bicicleur 2

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Originally Posted by Northener

There was in Europe never such prosperity than after ww2, with a high emancipation of ordinary people. The Golden Years at least in the west.

In the mean time politicians have raised the expectations of ordinary people even more.
I doubt that is sustainable.
01-03-22, 10:43
Northener

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Originally Posted by bicicleur 2

In the mean time politicians have raised the expectations of ordinary people even more.
I doubt that is sustainable.

Not here, 40 years : "de buikriem aanhalen".
01-03-22, 10:54
Tomenable

Zelensky's "Cossack Dance" from 2014:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgOSrw9Q8rc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgOSrw9Q8rc
01-03-22, 12:51
Northener

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Originally Posted by Malaparte

In intellectual history, one can always find precedents.

But I would point you toward (1) Land & Sea --- http://www.telospress.com/store/Land...back-p55571962

and (2) Nomos of the Earth --> http://www.telospress.com/store/The-...back-p17898060

Schmitt and Dugin resemble each other. They are one the reactionary side, 'revolutionary-conservative'.

My ancestry is shaped by the North Sea culture. So that landman collectivism I have no connection with it.

What I do like is the Rhineland model.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy
That has unjust been written off.

I think that after the Second World War, a country like Germany has moved towards the seaman's perspective.

In this topic we talked about Helmut Schmidt he is the representative of the German form of seaman's perspective and the movement towards it.

This is a perfect picture of 'seaman' Helmut Schmidt with a Hamburg skipper's cap and 'landman' DDR general secretary Honecker with.....hahahaha how spot on!!!

https://i.postimg.cc/q7S273q8/Scherm...m-11-44-39.png

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