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Originally Posted by Jovialis
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Originally Posted by Mycernius
I recently read Razib Khan commenting that Ukrainian DNA clusters with Poles rather than with Russians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northener
Basically, that is more European.
Unlike the unclear case, the Ukrainian side posted once more videos of tortured Russian POW - this time they being shot live on camera (region of Irpen), hands cuffed on the back. If the West doesn't begin to report the atrocities done by the Ukrainians and their mercenary forces, it just proves how skewed and manipulated the Western media is by now and that its a hypocritical scam.
Which unclear case? Buscha is a clear case, there are satellite pictures of a few weeks ago. They confirm what we have seen on a video. The Kremlin spin that it were actors is fully BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riverman
This was the reaction of Zelenski of the torture of the Russian POW, The Guardian:
That's not condemnation as fake news like the Kremlin does.Quote:
However, the government in Kyiv said they were taking the allegations of mistreatment “very seriously” and that there would be an immediate investigation.
Oleksiy Arestovych, an adviser to the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said: “We are a European army, and we do not mock our prisoners. If this turns out to be real, this is absolutely unacceptable behaviour.”
I get the feeling that you are radicalizing Riverman....
What do you *think* is wrong with how Polish people think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ailchu
"We don't mock our prisoners." Oh yeah, so serious. That's blatant cynicism, inhuman yak!Quote:
Originally Posted by Northener
To call that "mocking". Like shooting in the legs, the genitals, breaking all limbs, destroying faces, shooting people dead successively, not in a "one shot kill" is "mocking prisoners". He can afford to go that far, because he has the full support of the Western media anyway. There are even more "allegiations" concerning civilians in Eastern Ukrainian, ethnic Russian territories as well. The main difference might be, that they didn't filmed it proudly, and the Russian eye whitnesses and investigations being ignored. Imagine if the Ukrainians weren't arrogant and stupid enough to first film what they did, then all the reports would have been just called "Russian fake news propaganda". They will just watch that this stuff being no longer filmed and especially not published. That's all.
I any case, no side has any higher moral ground in this conflict, they are at least on par.
The only solution is to make peace, come to a diplomatic compromise and I said often enough which side is to blame for that.
da, putin Putin
https://youtu.be/Do5lIjuOLIM
Very high IQ posts on display here.
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Originally Posted by Northener
https://i.postimg.cc/CLHbQz8x/Scherm...m-07-46-31.png
https://twitter.com/nikorepi/status/1508922680044666887
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Originally Posted by bebicu
I think that too, look at bebicu, it got my concept in 0,001 secondQuote:
Originally Posted by Jovialis
to the others- I wanted to compare Putin's bunker headquarter to Biden's hugs with unvaccinated Ukrainians
https://youtu.be/oSZOL08Jc54
one Vladimir less
Vladimir Zhirinovskiy dies ---> https://iz.ru/1289242/vladislav-kryl...r-zhirinovskii
Everybody is different. Some don't view their phenotype/autosomal as their identity; they view their snp as a type of ancient surname. For example a lot of members on Eupedia are R1b-L51+(brother branch to R1b Z2103+ L23+ related) they come from all over Europe but are all descended from 1 paternal male.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mmiikkii
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/con...1b-borders.png
Russians, Poles, Ukrainians = R1a-M458 (Eastern European Slavic)
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d7/3a...a7832f4aa9.png
formed 4800 ybp, TMRCA 4800 ybp
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-M458/
Do you think the intelligence of Russia and China know the contents of Hunter's laptop? Do you think deleted forensic data from the hard drive might have been retrieved and might be made public in US congress in the future?Quote:
Originally Posted by vandalorum
You can just cut this nonsense out right now or you're going to find yourself banned, like your friend Bebicu. Or maybe you're socks of each other. A Spaniard you're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by vandalorum
Am I clear?
It's time for the socks and t-rolls to find new homes.
You post any more pictures like that on this thread and there will be serious consequences. Am I clear?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silesian
Sorry, but that seems to me like the completely wrong way to go about determining ethnicity. For one thing, that accounts for at most about 2% of total dna.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silesian
Second, it unites totally distinct groups in an artificial way. My father carried yDna U-152. So do a lot of Southern Germans, Swiss Germans etc. I assure you he would not have been pleased to be classified as a German or as some larger group encompassing Germans, Italians, French etc. His genetics were indisputably Italian, as was his culture, and given where I plot and his family tree his family have been Italians for millennia. They would plot nowhere near Germans, and their culture could not be more different. .
Why it was under question? What do you think who they are?
It's not hard to search information from history, analyze it and understand that there must not be a federation like Russia in the earth anymore.
In the state, everything must fundamentally changed. It will be so, but it's sad that people of only one country sacrifice this.
Oh yeah, where have I heard this before? Oh yeah, Alex Jones of Infowars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northener
@2%DNA--Some of my best friends are Italian(southern), other Italians I know over the internet belong to my R1b Z2110 and can be very outspoken racist, although I think they are coming from a position of low self esteem. The point is that we all come from different backgrounds and life experiences. My paternal and maternal side fought with the Germans. Among the Germans there was a hierarchy between blonde and blue eyed and those with darker features. Some Germans (not all) in Silesia would say very derogatory comments against Poles and Slavs in general, much like what is being done between Russian Slavs and Ukraine Slavs(Azov-like). When I see the banned videos of the young kids that are dying in vain(tortured, burned alive on both sides..), I think that could have been one of my sons. Being fortunate enough to grow up with so many different cultures and backgrounds, I have learned that people judge each other even within their own racial groups. I don't judge(even though I was raised in a religious cult to judge people, and shun them, if they did not follow a group and comply to a group of hypocrite leaders, who turn a blind eye to blatant spousal and child abuse of the worst kind etc...), if someone wants to identify as belonging to this group or that group is fine with me even if they have 2% dna , as long as they are happy, and don't harm anyone .Quote:
Originally Posted by Angela
For those interested in EUR/USD, and potential money flows leaving Europe to US for a temporary safe haven? Currently hovering around 1.09 technical are showing sell. The site also has Zloty-Ruble(making a recovery) stats.
https://www.investing.com/currencies/eur-usd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6pJd6O_NT0
Watching this video, he clearly made some points and it's just clear that Biden and Putin can't smell each other on the personal level and because of the election campaign, with the Bidens owing the Selenski regime a lot, which being now, step by step, published by the laptom scandal.
This is a huge problem for the peace making process, as is the Big Money involved in Ukraine, which practically bought the whole country, because Ukraine is now, financially, a debt slave of the US dominated sphere. It was dependent before the current war escalation, and will be even more dependent afterwards. That's invested interest of the Western financial elite, institutions and organisations.
The issue of identification is an interesting one. Here in the U.S. it has become all the rage for men, for example, to claim that they identify as women. That's fine in so far as it goes. You can think you're a cartoon character or a cat or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silesian
It doesn't change the reality, however, as far as I'm concerned. If you're XY and have a penis, you're a man, not a woman. You don't get to redefine scientific terms.
The same goes for genetics. An ethnic Italian will plot in Italy. Period. He won't plot in Germany even if he carries R1b U-152.
As for these racist northern Italians you've encountered on the internet, I assure you they're not representative of Northern Italians. Actual Italians from Italy are normally singularly uninterested in genetics for ancestry purposes unless they belong to some extreme right wing Neo-Nazi group. I've tried for years to get my relatives to test and their response is to the effect of "I know who I am, I know where I come from, what can they tell me I don't know? Plus, I have too many cousins already." My sainted 94 year old great-aunt, when I asked her if she'd take the test if I paid for it, declined. She said to me, "We've always been here", pointing around at the surrounding mountains. Given some of her ancestors are documented to have been there since the 1200s, and were probably there at least 2000 years before that, she's right in a way.
So, I don't care if some young guy from Lombardia thinks he's a German because he carries R1b U-106 or whatever. Let him, if it makes him happy. Doesn't bother me. The fact remains, however, that I know, and anyone who knows anything about genetics knows, that he plots in Italy and he's Italian, whether he likes it or not, and no matter what fairy stories he tells himself.
Putting aside XX/XY; and Azovians/Italians who identify with eugenics of the Nazi's(forced innoculations, untermesch subhuman classes etc...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Angela
Just focusing on ancient Italian(Paternal R1b-L51+ R1b-Z2103 is found in ancient Latins.) ancestral identity, including, language, culture , legends like the founding of Rome .
Founding of Rome is connected to Aeneas a Trojan.
If I were to go back in time, do I tell one of my distant relatives R1016 from Castel di Decima (Rome) R1b_Z2103+ who might not plot with modern Italians with Yamnaya component and that he is related by language to ancient Italians or Russians or Ukrainians with Yamnaya component? The same argument can be made for R1a-M458 and Yamnaya component in Russians and Ukrainians.Quote:
Aeneas had an extensive family tree. His wet-nurse was Caieta,[21] and he is the father of Ascanius with Creusa, and of Silvius with Lavinia. Ascanius, also known as Iulus (or Julius),[22] founded Alba Longa and was the first in a long series of kings. According to the mythology used by Virgil in the Aeneid, Romulus and Remus were both descendants of Aeneas through their mother Rhea Silvia, making Aeneas the progenitor of the Roman people.[23] Some early sources call him their father or grandfather,[24] but once the dates of the fall of Troy (1184 BCE) and the founding of Rome (753 BCE) became accepted, authors added generations between them. The Julian family of Rome, most notably Julius Cæsar and Augustus, traced their lineage to Ascanius and Aeneas,[25] thus to the goddess Venus. Through the Julians, the Palemonids make this claim. The legendary kings of Britain – including King Arthur – trace their family through a grandson of
Aeneas, Brutus.[26]
Sample Location Date Haplogroup R1016 Castel di Decima (Rome) 900-700 BCE R1b-Z2103 R435 Palestrina Colombella (Praeneste) 600-200 BCE R1b-CTS6389 (Z145) R1021 Boville Ernica (Bovillae - Frosinone) 700-600 BCE R1b-Z2118 (L51) R437 Palestrina Selicata (Praeneste) 400-200 BCE R1b-PR3565 (L2>ZZ56) R850 Ardea 800-500 BCE T1a-L208 R851 Ardea 800-500 BCE R1b-FGC29470 (L2>DF90)
https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/...a-1100x577.jpgQuote:
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Originally Posted by Silesian
Look, I loved Hector and heartily disliked most of the Greeks in "The Trojan War", so I am team "Trojan", but let's forget the ancient legends, or even ancient "historians", ok? Herodotus said the Etruscans came from Lydia in Anatolia in the first millennium BC, which meant they would have been Anatolian Iron Age, which they most emphatically were not.
As for the rest, sorry, I'm not sure I'm following you. What are you going to go back and tell R1016 from Castel de Decima?
Among the things you "could" tell him is that you know of a woman from the present who is pretty close to him genetically, even though her father carries U-152. (That particular sample is my closest Latin sample, and on some calculators I come out 60-70% Latin of the Republican Era with the rest Minoan.)
You could also tell him that he probably has descendants living in Italy who are not only close to him autosomally but carry his Ydna as well.
Are you also asking what you could tell him about men in other countries who share his yDna? Well, I suppose you could tell him that perhaps some of them are descended from some Roman/Italian descendant of his who went to that country as a soldier or settler, but, of course, through centuries of intermarriage with the natives of that place they're nothing like him.
You should also add that there are people in other countries who are NOT descended from him in any way, but carry the same yDna. They are descendants of men who broke off from the group who went to Italy.
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Originally Posted by Silesian
It is not considered to be a historical fact, it is just a legend, moreover born many centuries after the foundation of Rome. If Aeneas really lived, he lived many centuries before the supposed foundation of Rome.