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    They were both Latins, so yes, your New York City...

    They were both Latins, so yes, your New York City analogy is apt.

    However, I was trying to clear up any confusion caused by Torzio's...confusion. ROME was ruled by the Etruscans. To my knowledge,...
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    I have always maintained, based on archaeology,...

    I have always maintained, based on archaeology, and a knowledge of Etruscan culture, that there was no mass migration in the first millennium BC from Anatolia to Etruria.

    I furthermore never saw...
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    @Pax, I kid you not, I think some of this...

    @Pax,

    I kid you not, I think some of this comes from old legends that PERHAPS, according to Dionysios, King Turnus of the Rutuli was King of the Tyrrhenians, and therefore ETRUSCAN.

    Yeah, and...
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    For those who haven't got to the supplement yet:...

    For those who haven't got to the supplement yet: Ardea was part of the Latin League, but it was NOT Rome, and in fact at times was allied AGAINST Rome.

    https://i.imgur.com/56jlEyl.png
    Only two...
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    Clearly you can't read Italian, or if you read...

    Clearly you can't read Italian, or if you read it, you don't understand it.

    Re-read Pax' post please.
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    Reading the commentary from amateur pop gen...

    Reading the commentary from amateur pop gen people online you would think Herodotus was the only ancient author who wrote about the Etruscans.

    Confirmation bias, much???

    It's so extreme that...
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    @I was just going to respond to Torzio's post,...

    @I was just going to respond to Torzio's post, and ask what point he was trying to make. :)

    So what if a Latin site had Etruscan pottery?

    Haven't we learned by now that pots are not always...
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    Duarte, you never put a foot wrong, in my book. :)

    Duarte, you never put a foot wrong, in my book. :)
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    This is not meant to be a thread about one...

    This is not meant to be a thread about one particular y lineage.

    I think all the possibilities have been exhausted, and there is no way currently to decide the issue.
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    This fact was raised a couple of times upthread....

    This fact was raised a couple of times upthread. A number of samples come from the cemetery for the port city of Ostia. Some others come from the catacombs, and we know early Christians were usually...
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    Imo, they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt....

    Imo, they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

    However, that said, the paper also doesn't inspire the greatest confidence in their characterization of these samples with so many samples with...
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    That is always a problem for me. I mean no...

    That is always a problem for me.

    I mean no disrespect to Brick; he's just using the Global 25 created by Polako.
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    Thanks. It's difficult for me to make out the...

    Thanks. It's difficult for me to make out the separate clusters sometimes.

    Also, it just seemed to me that in the PCA in the paper the samples seemed more to be in an almost no man's land between...
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    These WHG results are seriously weird!

    These WHG results are seriously weird!
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    Excellent discussion, gentlemen, thank-you.

    Excellent discussion, gentlemen, thank-you.
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    I am not going to allow you to destroy this...

    I am not going to allow you to destroy this thread the way you have every thread about the Greeks. You've made your point.

    If any of you keep repeating the same thing over and over again it will...
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    Am I getting this right? 435-Prenestini Tribe...

    Am I getting this right?

    435-Prenestini Tribe plots with the Southern French


    One in Spain, four near it but veering toward Sardinia, so even more Anatolian Neolithic?

    851-Ardea Latini...
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    I've had just about enough of this nonsense. NO...

    I've had just about enough of this nonsense. NO MODERN NATIONALITY OWNS A HAPLOGROUP!

    PERIOD

    Steppe people moved into Hungary, the Carpathians, the Balkans, Italy etc. They picked up ancestry...
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    Something that struck me but we haven't yet...

    Something that struck me but we haven't yet discussed is the fact that the modeling for the Iron Age samples takes not Bell Beaker but Yamnaya.

    Now, why would that be?

    Was it a group that...
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    Salve, my friend. You're absolutely right....

    Salve, my friend.

    You're absolutely right. Would that all people in this hobby had your sensibility. :)

    I should have perhaps made clear that our "feud" is one of my husband's ways of teasing...
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    @Salento, They're hung up on this, I take it?...

    @Salento,

    They're hung up on this, I take it?
    https://i.imgur.com/vhdmetx.png
    https://i.imgur.com/GW5fwI5.png

    What is the mystery here? I don't even want to know what fantastical theories...
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    Let me guess...he's too "southern" for...

    Let me guess...he's too "southern" for them?:useless:

    He's a member of a Latin tribe. Some of them were a bit more Southern already.

    Big Whoops.

    The facts are what they are people; sane...
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    Duarte, I finally found that sample on my list:...

    Duarte, I finally found that sample on my list: Just look at that pathetic number. :(


    57. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 18.63 - R850 - (Click for more info)
    Top 94% match vs all users +...
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    This is completely illogical. The only...

    This is completely illogical.

    The only evidence that MATTERS about an ancient group's genetics is the genetic evidence from THAT GROUP. In this case it's the genomes of the actual ETRUSCANS. We...
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    He looks like a less good looking version of Gino...

    He looks like a less good looking version of Gino D'Accampo, accomplished and sexy chef from Napoli who is a BIG hit in Britain, especially with the ladies. :)
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