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  1. I wonder whether this Child from 78,000 years...

    I wonder whether this Child from 78,000 years ago, is closely related or similar to the OoA population or even BE. It would be exciting to see his hp and autosomal DNA.
  2. Gaska, can you please show me the 3 half black...

    Gaska, can you please show me the 3 half black Mycenaeans in that study? Or was this a satire attempt ?
  3. You've obviously missed some comments here about...

    You've obviously missed some comments here about half black Mycenaeans, and Aegeans being predicted as dark because of SSA influence. I personally don’t take offense at the detected African mtdna....
  4. May I ask you this, did you use HIrisPlex S for...

    May I ask you this, did you use HIrisPlex S for your eye and skin color prediction? And overall how accurate was it? Anyway, I personally do care a lot about accuracy including phenotype...
  5. You can’t take this first case of an Aegean...

    You can’t take this first case of an Aegean individual with an African mtDNA, thus a clear outlier, to make a sweeping statement about the Mycenaeans or Minoans having SSA admixture and were dark...
  6. I'll try to contact the authors and hope they'll...

    I'll try to contact the authors and hope they'll reply. But how likely is it, that professional genetics/researchers make a mistake in the determination of ancestral versus derived snps or in the...
  7. So, you think bottom line, that the prediction...

    So, you think bottom line, that the prediction is correct, and that OCA2 is the reason why these Aegeans are even much darker than many modern Middle Easterners. Correct?
  8. And these Arab Bedouins despite tan and SSA...

    And these Arab Bedouins despite tan and SSA admixture, are not really very dark to black.


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/85/13/56/851356c30de5f58dc9001b3ef12a81a0.png
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  9. You have a valid point here. When you read very...

    You have a valid point here. When you read very dark to black you think automatically of this complexion.
    ...
  10. Interesting information that seems to support...

    Interesting information that seems to support what I was assuming. But that's not what this genetic study concludes. On the contrary, these BA Greeks are predicted as darker than modern Europeans...
  11. What you say seems plausible. However, we have ...

    What you say seems plausible. However, we have Egyptian mummies who had definitely a light skin tone. Also, Egyptians depicted beige or whitish looking Libyans. And Ancient Greeks didn't exaggerate...
  12. Come on, kingjohn, once again, nobody here is...

    Come on, kingjohn, once again, nobody here is shocked that BA Greeks were not pale as Northern Europeans, but totally surprised at the fact, that these Greeks turned out to be very dark to black....
  13. @Angela, I read all your answers and links with...

    @Angela, I read all your answers and links with appreciation. The thing is, that I was gathering information and looked if someone found anything we have overlooked yet. And, I looked as the pics,...
  14. A smart person explained to me how and why the...

    A smart person explained to me how and why the authors predicted the dark skin for the 3 samples.
  15. I actually agree with most what you've said, but...

    I actually agree with most what you've said, but you sometimes misunderstand what I try to bring across. Why you, me and others here, are befuddled is the fact, that the skin color prediction...
  16. That's because modern Greeks are not that swarthy...

    That's because modern Greeks are not that swarthy as people pretend them to be. The same goes for Italians or Spaniards. That said, if the phenotype prediction from this study is 100% correct, that...
  17. I'm well aware of the fact, that people...

    I'm well aware of the fact, that people especially centrists do present doctored images for misleading gullible folks. That said, this predynastic mummy, called Ginger was examined and classified by...
  18. Angela, you got wrong what my point was, probably...

    Angela, you got wrong what my point was, probably due to the fact, that you reply to several people. Firstly, I know that you showed me the same guy, Raoul Bova who was shown on this forum several...
  19. The actor in the last picture is likely how the...

    The actor in the last picture is likely how the ancient Greeks looked like in terms of complexion. It’s a bit odd, to think that a 5000 years old predynastic Egyptian that was naturally mummified and...
  20. One would think that researchers would try their...

    One would think that researchers would try their best to avoid flawed methodology and misleading conclusions. Whatever.
    After analysing this Aegean paper do you think their phenotype prediction is...
  21. doublepost

    doublepost
  22. I know it's totally unexpected. Although I always...

    I know it's totally unexpected. Although I always believed that ancient Aeagans were swarthy, I'd never ever imagined that they were that dark. That said, where do you get the confidence, that the...
  23. The thing is, that very dark to black can’t be...

    The thing is, that very dark to black can’t be translated into the typical Mediterranean olive, light brown or beige skin color. If the ancient Aegeans were largely of WHG instead of EEF/ANF...
  24. Thanks a lot for clarifying the conclusions of...

    Thanks a lot for clarifying the conclusions of this paper. Very surprising to say at least, that the BA Northern Greek individual with high steppe admixture is darker than the Cretans . So, going by...
  25. You're right. The mtDNA L3, although of African...

    You're right. The mtDNA L3, although of African origin(debated) isn't that exotic outside the continent and in Eurasia. L3 is strongly associated with the OoA event of modern humans 70-50, 000 years...
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