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  1. It is not surprising, especially Armenian models,...

    It is not surprising, especially Armenian models, as we can see autosomal DNA from the Southern Steppe appearing in Armenian samples at a very early stage (prior to 4,000 BC), and we can also see...
  2. Yes, as with Cyrus' posts, there are grains of...

    Yes, as with Cyrus' posts, there are grains of truth in it, but there is little basis for its confident conclusions, which in my view are essentially misleading.

    For example, L51:
    We cannot...
  3. I've tried matching up the spread of IE languages...

    I've tried matching up the spread of IE languages with development patterns in autosomal DNA, and cannot find clear trails from specifically an Irano-Armenian origin point. In my opinion, it is not...
  4. Could I ask ... I have read several times about...

    Could I ask ... I have read several times about the satemisation of IE, but is it possible that IE was originally satem, and that a branch of it became centumised? Also, which other languages have...
  5. So, in just the same way, there could have been a...

    So, in just the same way, there could have been a small Germanic population in Iran that was not large enough to leave a significant impact on the genetics of Iran populations.


    That they were...
  6. It is possible that groups can be endogamous,...

    It is possible that groups can be endogamous, particularly if they only stay for a short period. Don't we know the Celts were in Asia Minor for a time? But we see little evidence of this in either...
  7. Yes, I see a likely Armenian LBA contribution in...

    Yes, I see a likely Armenian LBA contribution in present day Greeks mixed in with a lot of late steppic DNA (about 50:50 with indigenous Mycenaean). I suppose this could have affected the Greek...
  8. Oh, I haven't looked that far forward into...

    Oh, I haven't looked that far forward into Armenia.
  9. Yes to the first two questions, but I'm afraid I...

    Yes to the first two questions, but I'm afraid I don't know enough or have access to enough data to be in a position to form a clear opinion about the latter two questions.


    I don't rule it out,...
  10. Yes, these are from an analysis of large modern...

    Yes, these are from an analysis of large modern databases. Based on SNP diversity, yfull estimates a TMRCA of 3,500 BC for Armenian-coalescing clades of R1b and 2,200 BC for South Caspian-coalescing...
  11. The common factor between Armenia and the Baltic...

    The common factor between Armenia and the Baltic is that each appears to have hosted one successful steppic lineage, followed by a different later one. Regarding Armenian lineages, R1b-Z2103...
  12. Gutians also look like newcomers, being...

    Gutians also look like newcomers, being represented as ignorant of the gods and culture.

    They first appear at pretty much exactly the time that both SNP and STR analysis estimate that a branch of...
  13. It's a reasonable possibility, but just because...

    It's a reasonable possibility, but just because Reich says it, this doesn't represent proof. I don't think we know for sure which language/s the Yamnayans spoke, nor how widespread IE was in...
  14. Extant I1 had an extremely long formation period,...

    Extant I1 had an extremely long formation period, so it was most likely located all over the place - to try to pinpoint it is pointless. But it is not the only haplogroup that looks close to R1b-L51....
  15. I'm sorry if my comments have contributed to...

    I'm sorry if my comments have contributed to frustrating you. I'm quite prepared to accept that there might have been linguistic and cultural associations between Western Iran and Northern Europe...
  16. Agreed. I can't see any genetic signs of a...

    Agreed. I can't see any genetic signs of a significant 500 BC migration of people from Iran to North Central Europe. I only mentioned I1, because I wondered whether that was what Cyrus was suggesting...
  17. So Germanic people were only partly of Iranian...

    So Germanic people were only partly of Iranian descent, with at least the substantial part descending from U106 people being indigenous European after all? So are you saying the only Germanic yDNA of...
  18. Are you saying Germanic U106 also came into...

    Are you saying Germanic U106 also came into Europe from Iran in the 1st millennium BC, but speaking a wholly different (Rhaetian) language to other Germanic (IE) migrants from Iran?
    If so, how is...
  19. I'm talking genetics, not languages. Just because...

    I'm talking genetics, not languages. Just because Germanics look mostly CW autosmally, this didn't prevent their ancestors from adopting a centum language, presumably mainly from the R1b-U106 people...
  20. No, they went on foot, by boat and on horseback....

    No, they went on foot, by boat and on horseback. It didn't have to be the long gradual process that many assume.
  21. One doesn't necessarily come out of the other;...

    One doesn't necessarily come out of the other; both could have had a common root. Conflating genetics, language and culture can lead to premature conclusions.

    Autosomal genetics suggest that...
  22. What if it were the other way round? (That some...

    What if it were the other way round? (That some Germanics moved into Iran during the first millennium BC, rather than Iranians moving into Germany.)
    This better fits the genetic data:
    1. North...
  23. Yes, although ignoring presented information or...

    Yes, although ignoring presented information or taking it out of context seems to cut both ways - it looks endemic on this thread and on these forums generally, more's the pity. You have to wade...
  24. I'm not keen on these scatter diagrams, which...

    I'm not keen on these scatter diagrams, which seem a bit primary school to me. We could judge quantifiability better if we were presented with actual numbers.

    That said, I agree regarding...
  25. He could still propose a reasonable idea,...

    He could still propose a reasonable idea, whichever language the idea is written in.
    Whether he has nationalistic agenda is irrelevant to the requirement you seem to set that his ideas can only be...
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