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  1. Thread: E-m123*

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    Yes, this is what I thought as well, from the...

    Yes, this is what I thought as well, from the times of the Prussian empire.
  2. Thread: E-m123*

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    It is confusing indeed, also the fact that yfull...

    It is confusing indeed, also the fact that yfull and Ftdna are using different denominations and you have to guess which is what.

    The branch e-by45422 is present in the same countries as E-PF4428...
  3. Thread: E-m123*

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    FT179548 This parallel branch which on FTDNA...

    FT179548

    This parallel branch which on FTDNA is labeled E-BY45422 on Yfull is just called E-Y31991* and there is one person from Northeastern Germany on Yfull. Actually 2 people from Germany are...
  4. Thread: E-m123*

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    Thank you for this information! So you are saying...

    Thank you for this information! So you are saying that E-Y84586 is equal to E-BY45422? This is the SNP of the first person on the tree - E-Y31991* - E-Y31991 YTree (yfull.com) According to the...
  5. Thread: E-m123*

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    I am 90% inclined to believe the scenario where...

    I am 90% inclined to believe the scenario where that type of E-M123* expanded on its own probably 10,000 years ago from the Middle East to Central Asia and was later assimilated by various Scythian...
  6. Thread: E-m123*

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    Thank you very much KingJohn! This second...

    Thank you very much KingJohn! This second Scythian sample is really confirming that some of the clades of E-Y31991 were present among the Scythians. From what I see, they belong to an extinct...
  7. "Using STR loci, we were able to reliably...

    "Using STR loci, we were able to reliably determine Y haplogroups for four samples 619 - Q, 1986 and 1251 - R1a, and 656 - C3."
  8. Thread: E-m123*

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    Yes, new results pop-up from time to time which...

    Yes, new results pop-up from time to time which is good. As seen on the tree on Yfull, the European branches departed from the Levant around 6500 years ago which would support the good-old (late)...
  9. Thread: E-m123*

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    I asked them 3 times so far, they give the same...

    I asked them 3 times so far, they give the same answer. Btw, is there an alternative to yfull where that ancient sample can be uploaded?
  10. Thread: E-m123*

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    @Pax Augusta - actually, as much as wide the time...

    @Pax Augusta - actually, as much as wide the time range is, it is very informative because it marks the beginning and the end of the Neolithic period, and that is enough to have a theoretical time...
  11. Thread: E-m123*

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    The determined age of the surving E-m123*...

    The determined age of the surving E-m123* sub-branches is between 8300 BC to 4700 BC:

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y31991/

    This is exactly the Neolithic time-frame.
  12. Thread: E-m123*

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    This might be interesting for the Italians here:...

    This might be interesting for the Italians here:

    https://res.mdpi.com/d_attachment/ij...0-05763-v2.pdf

    In this Sardinian study 5 men were found to be E-M123* in Sardinia.

    Regarding mainland...
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    Quite interesting. I am postitioned just next to...

    Quite interesting. I am postitioned just next to Thra-Slav and no wonder since Gedmatch is modeling me usually as 50% South Italy and 50% Belarus/Poland...
  14. Nothing scientific really, just old Greek...

    Nothing scientific really, just old Greek nationalistic ideas like:

    - Pomaks being Thracians/pre-Slavic - needless to say that's historical fantasy.
    - Sarakatsani being somehow heavily...
  15. I mean that the tribe Cimmerians simply went...

    I mean that the tribe Cimmerians simply went extinct 2500 years ago and they do not have any direct descendants. If some people in XIV century, or after that, were called Cimmerians that would be the...
  16. That's called archaisation - to name conteporary...

    That's called archaisation - to name conteporary peoples and nations with the ethnonyms of the previous inhabitants that once lived in the same land. That's why you can see Byzantine papers naming...
  17. I must say i'm quite surprised to see my haplo...

    I must say i'm quite surprised to see my haplo among the Steppe folk but I can't find any info from which period is DA19, where was unearthed and from which archaeological group...
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    South Asian 0.61 Caucasus 16.78 Southwest...

    South Asian
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    Caucasus
    16.78

    Southwest Asian
    6.86

    North Amerindian + Arctic
  19. Thread: E-m123*

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    Interesting - does this person uploaded his data...

    Interesting - does this person uploaded his data to haplozone or Yfull ? I'm aware of 3 people xM34 from England.
  20. Thread: E-m123*

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    Karachenak et al. detected E-M34, so I was told....

    Karachenak et al. detected E-M34, so I was told. There is also another Bulgarian who is
    like me (xM34) found in some research 18 years ago. My male line is Vlach however, so it must be
    also...
  21. Thread: E-m123*

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    So e-m123* is really present in Italy, quite...

    So e-m123* is really present in Italy, quite interesting for me.
  22. Thread: E-m123*

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    Kingjohn, I've checked the results from this...

    Kingjohn, I've checked the results from this study and there is no information about e-m123* - it's only e-m123 which is almost for sure E-m34, as it's the case in many parts of Italy as Pax Augusta...
  23. Thread: E-m123*

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    My idea was that it will add more pieces to the...

    My idea was that it will add more pieces to the puzzle, not that it will solve the whole riddle.
  24. Thread: E-m123*

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    Thank you for this interesting information, never...

    Thank you for this interesting information, never realized e-m123* was ever found in Italy. Sadly I can't access neither the image nor the document. Is e-m123* found among living population or in...
  25. Thread: E-m123*

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    Yfull is done -...

    Yfull is done - https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y31991/

    Seems that me and the German person (from Poland) are now on our own European branch - formed 18100 ybp, TMRCA 10900 ybp - looks like a...
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