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    Italic tribes are easy to differentiate from...

    Italic tribes are easy to differentiate from Mycenaeans because they have western hunter-gatherer admixture (which the Mycenaeans lack) and no significant amount of CHG or Iran_N ancestry.
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    It's very easy to go on Yfull and see the J2a...

    It's very easy to go on Yfull and see the J2a phylogeny. Some Italian samples do plausibly have a neolithic, chalcolithic, or Aegean BA/IA origin, but others clearly don't:
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    Where does this caricature come from? The Iliad,...

    Where does this caricature come from? The Iliad, the oldest piece of Greek literature, ends with a tribute to Hector, their "eastern enemy". Besides, the Greeks weren't a monolith and there were...
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    What does YSEQ's cladefinder...

    What does YSEQ's cladefinder give you? Can you post a screenshot?
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    The problem with this theory is that Mycenaeans...

    The problem with this theory is that Mycenaeans did have some EHG, more than BA Anatolians (who had very little to none according to the abstract). Of course one can create more complex scenarios...
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    Nothing, that's why I put it in quotes. The user...

    Nothing, that's why I put it in quotes. The user I was responding to called them exotic.
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    I didn't say anything about bias, I just...

    I didn't say anything about bias, I just expressed my bewilderment on why it's taken so long for the Reich lab and the Moots/Antonio team to acknowledge what their data show.



    You mean they...
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    Do we have Southern Illyrian samples?

    Do we have Southern Illyrian samples?
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    What does that mean? Is a 'Levantinist' someone...

    What does that mean? Is a 'Levantinist' someone who acknowledges the obvious fact the modern Greeks, Italians and other southern Europeans have some amount of Iron Age Levantine and Anatolian...
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    I'm not sure that's controversial, it's obvious...

    I'm not sure that's controversial, it's obvious Illyrians and Northeast Italians descend largely from the same or very similar populations.
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    What's the sample size for that?

    What's the sample size for that?
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    J2 is older than these linguistic groupings

    J2 is older than these linguistic groupings
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    We have some samples from...

    We have some samples from Tiszapolgar/Bodrogkeresztúr from a recent study about skeletal health in the Neolithic-BA transition. These samples are from Harvard and will be presented 'properly' in an...
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    Yeah, but we're talking semantics. Usually by IE...

    Yeah, but we're talking semantics. Usually by IE lineages we refer to lineages that existed in the early IE sites and that had the typical steppe autosomal profile. EEF languages and "Old European"...
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    Where did E-L618 come from? Saying "E-V13 is a BA...

    Where did E-L618 come from? Saying "E-V13 is a BA lineage" is a tautology, by default any lineage that exists today must have an ancestor lineage in the BA. Saying "E-V13 is an IE lineage" is also a...
  16. No paper has been announced. We just hope there...

    No paper has been announced. We just hope there is one.
  17. There is zero evidence for any of that. In fact,...

    There is zero evidence for any of that. In fact, it's less than zero because we know the vast majority of steppe folk in Ukraine and Russia had brown hair and brown eyes and we know they mixed with...
  18. People who imagine Mesolithic hunter-gatherers...

    People who imagine Mesolithic hunter-gatherers looking like modern populations should take a good look at this new PCA from the Allentoft et al pre-print:

    https://i.imgur.com/dXFPkHf.png
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    Don foragers could have some WHG that is "eating"...

    Don foragers could have some WHG that is "eating" into later populations' WHG ancestry. But Boncuklu was also WHG-shifted compared to Barcin if I remember the PCA from that paper correctly.
  20. Not to be a party pooper, but these are most...

    Not to be a party pooper, but these are most likely based on the HIrisPlex prediction system, so they're to be taken with a grain of salt. Likelihood of blonde hair seems to be overestimated by this...
  21. Well, we can't be sure, but the country...

    Well, we can't be sure, but the country distribution (Balkans, Anatolia, Caucasus) looks similar to the modern distribution of R-Z2103 and I-L699, which are the Yamnaya clades. Yfull is also missing...
  22. 23andMe is the most accurate, but not without its...

    23andMe is the most accurate, but not without its own problems (for example, assigning lots of Italian ancestry to Greeks). AncestryDNA is also decent, especially since they added their Aegean...
  23. It's not perfect of course, Cypriots need an...

    It's not perfect of course, Cypriots need an additional Anatolian and/or Levantine source (hence the higher distance).


    https://i.imgur.com/4zZwff3.png
  24. You won't see anything like Helladic_MBA in LBA,...

    You won't see anything like Helladic_MBA in LBA, archaic, classical or Hellenistic Greece, trust me.
  25. I wasn't responding to you, sorry if it wasn't...

    I wasn't responding to you, sorry if it wasn't clear. I don't think this East Asian ancestry persists in modern Hungarians, no.
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