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    E-V13 will be seen in Illyrians in the Iron Age,...

    E-V13 will be seen in Illyrians in the Iron Age, but not before. So it came from Thracians, directly and indirectly, but not at one time, at least that's my position at the moment. It's also possible...
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    That's the central French region around Paris: ...

    That's the central French region around Paris:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%8Ele-de-France

    Such a high percentage of E1b in that region can only be attributed to Maghrebian migrants or some...
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    There is no way classical Greeks have no E-V13,...

    There is no way classical Greeks have no E-V13, even if it woudl be just due to later Thracian-Greek contacts. The question is just which frequency they got. I think it will vary a great deal within...
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    I was talking about that: Just look at the...

    I was talking about that:


    Just look at the map. And they were no Thraco-Cimmerians, because those lived in the Carpathian basin for the most part, we have the samples of one region Cimmerian...
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    The Greeks expanded into Thracian areas and...

    The Greeks expanded into Thracian areas and colonised those later. You better learn history and some of those "idiotic facts" you seem to miss all too often:

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    Ever heard of the Thraco-Cimmerians, Eastern...

    Ever heard of the Thraco-Cimmerians, Eastern Hallstatt and the Dacians? Thsoe will play their role. We see it in the phylogeny of E-V13, these were the large upticks after the LBA-EIA transition. The...
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    I thought about that too. Really a bad mistake...

    I thought about that too. Really a bad mistake and the comment makes no sense. As for the Anderten samples, they are non-locals in the sense of being settlers from the South. The area was settled by...
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    The local Celtic population being differentiated,...

    The local Celtic population being differentiated, though and the clines and geographical distribution they present open up a very clear picture. The French-like admixture is not at all concentrated...
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    They explicitly stated that most of the...

    They explicitly stated that most of the French-like admixture dates to the post-Early Medieval time period. It started with Frankish influences among Anglo-Saxons, especially in Kent, like samples...
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    That's one of the dumbest sentences I ever read....

    That's one of the dumbest sentences I ever read. Anglo-Saxons are "English" (Anglish), those before them were not. If they would have argued "British", maybe, even though that title is still wrong,...
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    They are quick, which is a big plus! The...

    They are quick, which is a big plus! The Sogdian/Iranian from Kazakhstan is there as well.
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    Thracians are likely to have migrated as tribals....

    Thracians are likely to have migrated as tribals. Don't forget that much of what is now Greece was Thracian to begin with and much of the other areas have verifiable Balkan/Thracian influences from...
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    There are clear indications for up to which point...

    There are clear indications for up to which point in time the E-V13 lineages lived, by and large, together, in one united population and ethnicity. That's the TMRCA of the major branches, their...
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    The diversity in most regions in which E-V13 is...

    The diversity in most regions in which E-V13 is well-represented is much too high for a Roman era dispersal. What's also against the Roman expansion is that E-V13 dropped to the ground, having its...
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    We just lack Iron Age samples from too many...

    We just lack Iron Age samples from too many regions and detecting a minority element is even harder than getting any samples, even more so, if their great majority did cremate, like most of the...
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    Obviously autosomal DNA and uniparentals are two...

    Obviously autosomal DNA and uniparentals are two different things. I mean most of my relatives are R-L51 haplogroup members. It's like a surname, people can have an exotic surname for their region,...
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    Very good catch, especially since they have most...

    Very good catch, especially since they have most of the Hungarian samples as well for E-V13.
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    It would be great if Western-North Western...

    It would be great if Western-North Western Romania could be sampled from the Copper Age to the Roman period. Unfortunately, cremation makes this very difficult. There are just the irregular burials...
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    That's to some degree no contradiction, because...

    That's to some degree no contradiction, because Psenichevo-Babadag being a direct descendant of Channelled Ware, just with local influences and new innovations. So one possible argument could be,...
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    Doesn't look like it at first glance. E-Y142744...

    Doesn't look like it at first glance. E-Y142744 has one main downstream Jewish branch. I know upstream might be some Jewish members as well, but where they belong is difficult to tell. There are in...
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    However, also note that the upstream distribution...

    However, also note that the upstream distribution is not random, like we get at the upstream level of PH2180 at least single samples from different, as old branches (LBA-EIA).

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    It came from Anatolia with Impresso-Cardial....

    It came from Anatolia with Impresso-Cardial. That's a long time before the Bronze Age. It already spread Northward in the Middle Neolithic, we know that, because we have samples of E1b1b (multiple)...
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    Only a small part of Hungary is really relevant...

    Only a small part of Hungary is really relevant for the earliest period, that's the Nyirseg region, mostly in what is now Szabolcs-Szatmár-Bereg. The rest of Hungary largely not as much.

    Even later...
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    See, that's the problem you don't seem to grasp,...

    See, that's the problem you don't seem to grasp, the data is glass clear about the major founder effects happening all in the LBA-MIA in a geographically differentiated manner. E-V13 was in one...
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    I think what some people still don't understand...

    I think what some people still don't understand or underestimate is the diversity we find in the Eastern Carpathian Basin. The basic components of WHG, Neolithic and steppe can drastically vary. We...
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