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    Its a very old and more generic clade of E-V13,...

    Its a very old and more generic clade of E-V13, so there is not much to say without a more downstream match. There are two non-assigned members on FTDNA, one from France, one from England, by the...
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    I think its important to stress especially two...

    I think its important to stress especially two movements:
    1st in the MBA Otomani and related Pannonian groups moved North/North East. Füzesabony being of particular importance in this context, but...
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    They were attacked by pastoralist warriors from two sides, from the North East by GAC and from the West by steppe groups which came under pressure from Yamnaya. Some of the pastoralist groups which...
  4. Poll: Its noted in the paper that a large fraction of...

    Its noted in the paper that a large fraction of the local population did cremate, but a good portion changed to inhumation over time, in the region, under Roman influence. Just like some earlier...
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    If you look at Channelled Ware and if we consider...

    If you look at Channelled Ware and if we consider it being the culture of Daco-Thracians, there are some things to note:
    First, they did expand into other people's territories, but seem to not have...
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    I think it came from around Dalmatia-Montenegro...

    I think it came from around Dalmatia-Montenegro with Impresso-Cardial, moved up the Danube-Tisza valleys, was strong in Northern Lengyel, got cut off by Yamnaya and mixed initially, in a similar...
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    Its forth and backward for Pannonia, not...

    Its forth and backward for Pannonia, not Bulgaria. For Bulgaria I do expect a replacement by a Channelled Ware people pincer movement, one from the Serbian Danubian area (Belegis II-Gava), the other...
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    What's even more striking between the North and...

    What's even more striking between the North and South is the ratio between E-V13 and J-M241/L283, the Daco-Thracian and Illyrian marker respectively, vs. other clades of E and J.

    Note how E-V13...
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    The Southern increased frequency is mainly true...

    The Southern increased frequency is mainly true for Apulia, which has the strongest Albanian impact. Other areas in Northern Italy are as high as in the South, not just by this one paper which we...
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    I wasn't referring to Italy alone, but the...

    I wasn't referring to Italy alone, but the distribution as a whole. Like Greece has no higher percentages than Northern Albania-Kosovo, parts of Northern Italy and Switzerland have higher...
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    The map is schematic and just wrong in slmost...

    The map is schematic and just wrong in slmost every respect.
    I used newer data for my distribution map. Also, E-V13 is more specific.
    Its possible directly South and East of Genua is a higher...
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    We still don't have any solid sampling from Magna...

    We still don't have any solid sampling from Magna Graecia.
    In the Balkan IA cluster its clear its totally E-V13 dominated in the Serbian Danubian region. The NE outliers are local elites which...
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    Yes, only small peaks and still nowhere the full...

    Yes, only small peaks and still nowhere the full picture.
    But sometimes these differences are real and persist in larger samples which point to regional or even local level founder effects, which...
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    Alsace is, like expected, close to neighbouring...

    Alsace is, like expected, close to neighbouring German regions, the most striking is Bretagne, with zero E-V13 and low R-U152. In a lot of regions, but not always, West of Hungary in particular,...
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    I was surprised by E-V13 being so low in this...

    I was surprised by E-V13 being so low in this sample from Provence initially, but that's how I made it in the map too. And actually, of the low percentage of E-V13 in Provence, only a fraction can be...
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    The archaeological comparison is there and...

    The archaeological comparison is there and absolutely clear.
    However, the archaeological connection to Hallstatt doesn't prove the spread of E-V13 from Eastern Urnfield/Basarabi, it just makes it a...
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    We have the hoards and flame shaped spearheads....

    We have the hoards and flame shaped spearheads. Early Hallstatt was clearly influenced by Channelled Ware and the Thraco-Cimmerian horizon.
    Many elements common in Hallstatt appear in Gava related...
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    The problem with this theory is that the centre...

    The problem with this theory is that the centre of the Greek colonisation along the Western Mediterranean shows no higher E-V13 percentage, but in fact a lower one. And if one goes North and East,...
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    Normans for the most part I guess, but could also...

    Normans for the most part I guess, but could also have been with Goths.
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    I1 is higher in Sweden, R1a in parts of Norway. I...

    I1 is higher in Sweden, R1a in parts of Norway. I think there were also tribal differences between various Germanic groups, even more so those which might have been recent founders in Italy.
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    There was in the LBA an influx of cremating...

    There was in the LBA an influx of cremating groups related to Channelled Ware people. In some areas they seem to have retreated though, in others being absorbed, but they influenced Greeks,...
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    I think Greeks had it in any case, if not the...

    I think Greeks had it in any case, if not the earliest, then the later ones, because of Thracian gene flow. In later Hellenistic and Roman times, many soldiers, workers, slaves and settlers too came...
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    The issue in the Mediterranean is not the...

    The issue in the Mediterranean is not the presence of Iranian-/CHG-like admixture not from the steppe, but percentages.
    It postdates the main EEF movements in any case.
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    The main factor is that modern Ligurians have a...

    The main factor is that modern Ligurians have a high frequency of E-V13 obviously, and their clades too point to a rather Central European connection, especially if assuming that some of the Cagliari...
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    Even if true you don't know how it came up,...

    Even if true you don't know how it came up, because there were many "Serbian-like" people around or could come up by different admixtures.



    I posted this in another thread, the question is...
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