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  1. It's crazy how Empuries fits right in the middle...

    It's crazy how Empuries fits right in the middle of the cluster nearly 100% identical with the average. Very good luck that scientists got those 2 samples pretty early.
    Some Mycenaeans seem even...
  2. Greeks in Italy seem to be more "conservative"...

    Greeks in Italy seem to be more "conservative" genetically in comparison with Carthaginians. The bulk of the samples seem to be fully Greek and a proportion seems to be in between Sicanians.

    It's...
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    You want E-V13 to be a merely founder effect...

    You want E-V13 to be a merely founder effect result in Albanians and perhaps in most other Europeans too, we get it. But this East-Med Roman hypothesis is not gonna work for you. Find something else.
  4. Look at the orange mark I made. I said they are...

    Look at the orange mark I made.
    I said they are not radically different not necessarily very similar. But some of them are pretty similar though. I am not sure if those individuals in the orange...
  5. Sicanians are not radically different from...

    Sicanians are not radically different from Classical Greeks. And some Classical Greeks were naturally more Minoan-like/Anatolia Neolithic than the rest. So it's hard to tell if those samples that are...
  6. I think the natives of Calabria will be high in G...

    I think the natives of Calabria will be high in G too and form a tail from Sicilians to Italic Campanians and Duanians which are more Latin-like compared to Sicanians. I believe most G in Italy is...
  7. I see 8 Himera civilians in the PCA while there...

    I see 8 Himera civilians in the PCA while there are 12 in the chart of the paper. Am I missing something or is there an error?
  8. Excuse me. I misread that years ago. Zancle was...

    Excuse me. I misread that years ago. Zancle was renamed Messina by Anaxilas in 5th century BCE. The Roman colonization of Messina happened in 3th BCE. I misread years ago that it was the Romans who...
  9. Zancle was destroyed by Romans, had all or most...

    Zancle was destroyed by Romans, had all or most of it's male population genocided. And was renamed Messina following the conquest.
  10. Angela also told me all four Classical Greeks in...

    Angela also told me all four Classical Greeks in Spain were J. Probably J2a.
  11. Surprisingly the Y-DNA is more evenly...

    Surprisingly the Y-DNA is more evenly distributed. I was expecting J2a to stomp other lines with around 50%. Again maybe sample size. R1b and G could've been increased by Native Italians.

    EDIT:...
  12. https://abload.de/img/screenshot_20221004-0q8day.j...

    https://abload.de/img/screenshot_20221004-0q8day.jpg
  13. I doubt they would be able to distinguish and I...

    I doubt they would be able to distinguish and I doubt it cluster with Thracians. They would likely think it's a Greek with a slightly northern pull. Not to mention some Thracians are fully Classical...
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    Some of you have no issue saying the "bitter...

    Some of you have no issue saying the "bitter truth" that Peloponnesians are half Albano-Slavic medieval transplants but at the same time deny significant East Balkanic ancestry with E-V13 in...
  15. But Thracians are in the Greek cluster? I wonder...

    But Thracians are in the Greek cluster? I wonder what they mean with "Balkans"?
  16. Yeah even in Hellenistic Anatolia the E-V13 line...

    Yeah even in Hellenistic Anatolia the E-V13 line is a Thracian subclade. One would think more E-V13 would pop out in Greek colonies.
  17. It's an outlier though.

    It's an outlier though.
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    What is funny is that you can model Albanians...

    What is funny is that you can model Albanians with Imperial Romans and get +25% minimum ancestry so not so much founder effect.

    Even though E-V13 is clearly East Balkanic line and not a West...
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    I am not saying E-V13 in Italy is mostly Gothic....

    I am not saying E-V13 in Italy is mostly Gothic. I am saying that if E-V13 is signal of West Asian admixture (better term than East Med) why Imperial Romans lack it? How did these Eastern Shifted...
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    2 E-V13 East Med samples in Serbia were Native...

    2 E-V13 East Med samples in Serbia were Native Balkanic mixed with some West Asian admixture. Most other E-V13 were in Iron Age Balkan cluster.

    Same thing in Anatolia. A Thracian tribe migrated in...
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    I find this whole idea that the dominance of...

    I find this whole idea that the dominance of E-V13 in Albanians as a founder effect matter not convincing at all. It can be true but the chances are slim.
    There was a Thessalian-like outlier among...
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    You don't claim, publicity, that you are going to...

    You don't claim, publicity, that you are going to end the Nord Stream Pipeline and then actual bomb it in less than 8 months and deny that you had anything to do with it. That's silly.
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    Russia has not said much about it either aside...

    Russia has not said much about it either aside from it being a US zone. One would think they would use this to feed their propaganda even if they were not sure how it happened or who did it.
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    What you said about E-V13 can also be said about...

    What you said about E-V13 can also be said about R1b and J2b. This does not make R1b and J2b Ottoman era founder effects.
    This has more to do with population boost after the 15th century rather than...
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    Bruzmi supported a West Balkan origin of E-V13...

    Bruzmi supported a West Balkan origin of E-V13 and not a founder effect. Now he switched because bringing a rational explanation would led him into unpleasant conclusions.
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