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    Indeed, it seems that people don't know the...

    Indeed, it seems that people don't know the difference between east and south. The shift is East towards the Caucasus region. Not the levant or north Africa. As far as I know the Romans didn't import...
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    Yes I know the study, they came to the conclusion...

    Yes I know the study, they came to the conclusion they were mostly local. The authors found it contradicts the idea of mass importation of slaves that replace the natives. Also, the existence of an...
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    Here's food for thought, Vagnari was based on...

    Here's food for thought, Vagnari was based on aDNA, in the region we are discussing. These citations you put forward are useless. They're not based on aDNA, what could you hope to accomplish with...
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    Also, I find your overconfidence to be brazen....

    Also, I find your overconfidence to be brazen. There are differences of opinion outside of the jerk circle of sophistry that holds that opinion.
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    Well you are already wrong about Latifundia,...

    Well you are already wrong about Latifundia, because as Vagnari showed, they were composed of locals.
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    I'd bet the pre-Italic, pre-Iapygian people, if...

    I'd bet the pre-Italic, pre-Iapygian people, if sampled, would be higher in CHG, and be responsible for the Daunians' eastern shift. I speculate this group's influence came to the forefront during...
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    I think it is important to note, there were...

    I think it is important to note, there were people living in Puglia before Italics, Greeks, and Iapygians. Where is their representation in all of this? Maybe that's why the Daunians are south of...
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    These viking paper samples from Foggia looked...

    These viking paper samples from Foggia looked like they could have come from all over Italy, I recall. The two presented here look like a holdover from the dwindling C5 cohort that existed in a...
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    Something else I find odd is that they didn't...

    Something else I find odd is that they didn't compare samples from medieval Foggia from the Viking paper. Which look different from the medieval Apulia samples they have here.
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    https://i.imgur.com/zud7Wl1.png It seems some...

    https://i.imgur.com/zud7Wl1.png

    It seems some people think that because the Daunians weren't eastern-shifted, it discards the idea that CHG didn't have a big presence before the imperial era....
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    I am a little confused at this paper, it claims...

    I am a little confused at this paper, it claims this is a look into a pre-Imperial era Southern Italy. But the Daunians were not the only people who lived there, so I don't know how they could draw...
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    https://i.imgur.com/4nL6aDE.png Considering...

    https://i.imgur.com/4nL6aDE.png

    Considering that they resisted outside influences also makes me wonder if the Imperial era C6 cohort was more representative of the neighboring people. Once the...
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    Indeed, ASH068 was the only true Philistine (Sea...

    Indeed, ASH068 was the only true Philistine (Sea People), who clustered with Myceneans. The others were hybrids, or subjugated Levantines.
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    https://i.imgur.com/LjOgNZQ.png Here are the...

    https://i.imgur.com/LjOgNZQ.png

    Here are the Imperial samples used in the PCA. The clear overlap of modern Apulia with C6, is evident. Considering, R437 another Iron Age sample, clusters closely...
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    Here I circled the location of R437 and R850, the...

    Here I circled the location of R437 and R850, the two Latin "outliers".

    R437 plots right next to the IA Apulian ORDO01

    https://i.imgur.com/bgGHqFW.png
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    Checking the citation here 22 and 24, it is clear...

    Checking the citation here 22 and 24, it is clear that Levant (Sea People) was reference to the Philistine ASH068, who clusters with Mycenaeans, as well as some of the more southernly IA_Apulians.
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    Thanks for that, looks like they are genetically...

    Thanks for that, looks like they are genetically "south" of Italy_IA_Republic (highlighted inside the purple square). Indeed, they have an affinity to them, as well as Croatia_IA, but they are still...
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    @Torzio, Could you cite the part of the paper...

    @Torzio,

    Could you cite the part of the paper that says they have an affinity to Croatian IA as well? I have only had a chance to skim through it. Don't mean to be lazy, but I have a lot of...
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    I am just going by the PCA of the paper, where...

    I am just going by the PCA of the paper, where does Croatian IA plot? I don't see it in the PCA.
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    https://i.imgur.com/3Rp8SKk.png

    https://i.imgur.com/3Rp8SKk.png
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    They are west of Central and Southern Italy...

    They are west of Central and Southern Italy according to the PCA, and southwest of North Italy. Between C6 and C7. Also, I was talking about modern Puglia, not IA.
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    Interesting, so basically modern Apulia is...

    Interesting, so basically modern Apulia is eastern-shifted from the IA Iapygian; much like the way modern Balkanites, and Greeks are eastern shifted from their IA and BA ancestors. As for Imperial...
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    I think it is possible this is where my...

    I think it is possible this is where my paternal-lineage comes from.
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    Fascinating! Thanks for sharing this, I look...

    Fascinating! Thanks for sharing this, I look forward to the samples.
  25. Poll: Based on your past posts, I think you are a...

    Based on your past posts, I think you are a racist middle easterner using a sock-puppet, employing far-left wing ideology to undermine and abuse Europeans.
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