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    Sticky: Target: Torziok12b Distance: 0.3374% /...

    Target: Torziok12b
    Distance: 0.3374% / 0.33743849
    52.5 LBK_EN
    15.9 WHG_Loschbour
    14.5 Bell_Beaker_LN
    14.1 Yamnaya_Samara
    3.0 CHG
  2. your bottom map .............looks like a old...

    your bottom map .............looks like a old theory when Montenegro had thracian tribes ( some time prior to 1000BC ) and as the illyrian tribes pushed down from the north , these thracian where...
  3. your map ( top one ) is clearly from Corinthian...

    your map ( top one ) is clearly from Corinthian Greeks entered the Adriatic in 733BC ...............we know their was no celts in the North of Illyria until circa 1000BC ( Halstatt culture first...
  4. The term Illyrian was first used by ancient...

    The term Illyrian was first used by ancient Greeks circa 800BC when they encountered the Liburnians on Corfu

    Italicus excursus per Liburnos, quae gens Asiatica est, procedit in Dalmatiae pedem ...
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    pity it is not a straight count frequency is...

    pity it is not a straight count
    frequency is erred due to pop numbers , which differ too much

    as example ...............Portugal and Italy both have 4% of T ...............pop numbers clearly...
  6. Periplus of Pseudo-Skylax from the 4th century...

    Periplus of Pseudo-Skylax from the 4th century BC, mentions the Enchelei as an Illyrian tribe on the Adriatic coast in modern-day Rhizon Montenegro. before they moved to Lake Ohrid Macedonia
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    Thanks Another smack in the face for the...

    Thanks

    Another smack in the face for the people trying to place west-baltic people as Slavs .................I stated years ago , east of the Vistula and Nogat rivers , baltic coastal people had...
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    There is no link between the 2 ( messapic and...

    There is no link between the 2 ( messapic and albanan ) until the trade in pottery commenced after the Corinthians arrived in the Adriatic sea circa 730BC
    ...
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    The Neolithic group and their Ydna markers are...

    The Neolithic group and their Ydna markers are found not just in the Balkans , but also in Central-Europe, Germany and France

    The one Ydna missing is H2 from the neolithic group ( might be in...
  10. Thread: T-p77

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    https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS6507/

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS6507/
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    Sticky: Distance to: Torziok12b...

    Distance to: Torziok12b
    9.68022727 NIEcap3c_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic_Byzantine
    11.36605033 NIEcap3b_EarlyMedieval_Alemanic_Byzantine
    13.87628192 Crusader_Pit:SI41:Haber_2019...
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    Got another T match in Ftdna with a Hill King ...

    Got another T match in Ftdna with a Hill King

    belongs with all these other T in link below ...............I match a lot of them

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public/hill?iframe=ycolorized
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    "Northern Italian like" !?............can be...

    "Northern Italian like" !?............can be origins of populace from Northern Illyrian, Noricum and Pannonia tribes .....................we then see the Ostrogoths take the area, rule it for about...
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    Another new T1a2 in Yfull under T-Z19945 ...

    Another new T1a2 in Yfull under T-Z19945

    YF105172 new T-BY102788
  15. R850 was initially labelled as a Cretan who...

    R850 was initially labelled as a Cretan who married a Etruscan and lived with the Rutuli Etruscan tribe..................but I read recently, he was from Greek Corsica ..........somewhere along the...
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    The Picenes origin is Sabine ( Ver Sacrum )...

    The Picenes origin is Sabine ( Ver Sacrum ) ...............they moved ( circa 750BC ) from the mountains of middle Italy to the Adriatic coast , living with the Liburnian colonies, one being Tronto,...
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    https://www.adelaide.edu.au/directory/wolfgang.haa...

    https://www.adelaide.edu.au/directory/wolfgang.haak
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    I have seen davidski photo years ago Haak...

    I have seen davidski photo years ago


    Haak was working in Adelaide Australia for many years ...............they are different people
  19. my new ones are fine Distance to: Torziok12b...

    my new ones are fine

    Distance to: Torziok12b
    1.83711731 Veneto:ALP022
    2.08712721 Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:ALP235
    2.80196360 Veneto:ALP249
    2.82104591 Friuli-Venezia-Giulia:KF2700960...
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    https://beyondforeignness.org/8011 There is...

    https://beyondforeignness.org/8011

    There is more E-V22 in north italy than E-V13
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    ok on Anatolian_N equals Neolithic Anatolian...

    ok on Anatolian_N equals Neolithic Anatolian Early European Farmer

    Phygians where in 2 places......Modern Albania ( north ) and in middle Anatolia ( western area ) bordering with Lydians ( they...
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    I like to completely separate admixture from...

    I like to completely separate admixture from Republican Roman samples from Imperial Roman samples.
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    One needs to see what is Anatolian North...

    One needs to see what is Anatolian North ...........is it Barcin area ( where Europe meets Asia).......was it a mix of Thracian and Phygian ?

    it would be the same difference as South Caucasus is...
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    I said long ago........that Republican Rome had...

    I said long ago........that Republican Rome had nearly zero Anatolian/Middle East markers
  25. Its odd that in the 2-Way .............one always...

    Its odd that in the 2-Way .............one always sees Albanian with Provence in nearly every match
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