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  1. I am referring not to the dark red circles in the...

    I am referring not to the dark red circles in the Campania cluster, but to the bright red circles that are outside it, beneath both Myceneans and Italics (in the second PCA the position of Italics...
  2. https://i.imgur.com/mQwkAlS.jpg...

    https://i.imgur.com/mQwkAlS.jpg
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2019/03/21/584714/F2.large.jpg?width=800&height=600&carousel=1


    It is a mere guess, but to me it looks like the red...
  3. Though we don't know the ultimate sources yet, in...

    Though we don't know the ultimate sources yet, in the Antonio et al paper he was modelled as something locals ( I can't recall if it was latin or copper age farmers) plus anatolia BA. Interesting...
  4. I used in the first try all the republican age...

    I used in the first try all the republican age samples from antonio et al 2019 to model all the samples from this study, both those from BC and those from AD: the Etruscans before the empire get very...
  5. Personally, I've shared the criticism that the...

    Personally, I've shared the criticism that the slavic input is overestimated ( I think it is between 10%-20% in southern Balkanites) because 1) they chose Greek empuries for the whole Balkan,2)...
  6. @Pax Augusta I am referring to...

    @Pax Augusta
    I am referring to MAS003,MAS002,TAQ020,TAQ021,ETR1 and ETR016, those samples marked by pink squares on the PCA

    @Torzio
    The idea is just to see how the samples "fare" in various...
  7. I have played around with G25, because I can't...

    I have played around with G25, because I can't find easily the samples I need on dodecad (I do not like the arragement and nomenclature there to be honest), and the MAS003 sample always takes a good...
  8. Furthermore, even if the bulk of the Italics...

    Furthermore, even if the bulk of the Italics turns out to be like the Latin, it doesn't change the fact that individuals with a more "eastern" genetic make up existed well before the imperial period....
  9. I have reread the paper, and it is still a piece...

    I have reread the paper, and it is still a piece of historical research, which means it must be subject to the same standards that guide historical scholarship; I am no genetist but I have studied my...
  10. We agree that the statistical models are weak and...

    We agree that the statistical models are weak and the explanation also weak, so I don't get why you disagree with me, that is about what? Contrary to Jovialis, I haven't said a word about an "east...
  11. Interesting, do you know perhaps when it is...

    Interesting, do you know perhaps when it is coming out?
    Also, this paper hasn't told apart north Levantines from Anatolians, though the paper about the Danubian limes showed it is very easy to do....
  12. Quite strong words when I have just exposed my...

    Quite strong words when I have just exposed my reasoning, and believe me that I shall sleep at night even if southern Italians came out as 100% Saudi.
    If the Campanians (as the bulk of it) were...
  13. I want to be a honest broker, so if I must own up...

    I want to be a honest broker, so if I must own up I were wrong I'll admit to it, and say that the folks at anthrogenica were right about both a massive (really massive) influx of Levantine and then a...
  14. My two cents about this discussion: the theories...

    My two cents about this discussion:
    the theories aren't put clearly on the table, and as much as I've understood as implied I see the one discussed as the theory that Albanians are actually...
  15. A quick correction: the near eastern cluster is...

    A quick correction: the near eastern cluster is best modelled as roughly half Anatolian_BA and half Balkan_IA, and a tiny bit of Iran_N.
    It's in the supplementary. It is a mere conjecture at this...
  16. I get that the attribution of NE/anatolian...

    I get that the attribution of NE/anatolian ancestry isn't to denigrate anybody (though people on other anthrofora think it does), and I have never thought you implied that, but my care is for...
  17. The Antonio et al graph has Greeks with a higher...

    The Antonio et al graph has Greeks with a higher heterogeneity, and if you look at all the distribution you see that they fall lowere than where the southernmost south Italians are located, and the...
  18. Besides the fact the sample is from the late...

    Besides the fact the sample is from the late Roman period I have been told, so he is a bit late chronologically, the fact that he clusters with islanders (at least the samples used in this paper, and...
  19. I can agree some responses from the staff are too...

    I can agree some responses from the staff are too knee-jerk and not thoughtful, though I must admit that certain t-rolling is tiring since it gets always refuted and always brought up, but I do not...
  20. I should be very cautious of drawing any...

    I should be very cautious of drawing any inference from just a sample, and it seems that this Roman_Greek had significant Levantine ancestry (not Anatolian, as influences from the asia minor colonies...
  21. I agree, though I am confident that the near east...

    I agree, though I am confident that the near east outlier was indeed from the north Levant (if we trust the methodology for the rest of the results, this we must also accept); of course the were also...
  22. In the supplementary the best models are around...

    In the supplementary the best models are around half balkan_IA-like and half Anatolian_BA-like with minor Iran_N to add.
  23. I have seen utter mendacity and/or idiocy on...

    I have seen utter mendacity and/or idiocy on other sites since this paper has come out, I should rather avoid rants but sometimes I can't be helped.

    The paper is huge in terms of information to...
  24. The misunderstanding is that Jovialis meant...

    The misunderstanding is that Jovialis meant "before the slavic invasions and after the fall of the Roman empire", since the paper clearly states that, as far as the evidence goes, those Anatolians...
  25. Speaking of historical analysis, I've got the...

    Speaking of historical analysis, I've got the impression, since among the samples already available some Etruscans (at least people coming from ancient Etruria) can be modelled as roughly half the...
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