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    I think too the whole J-CTS6190 is Etruscan, as...

    I think too the whole J-CTS6190 is Etruscan, as for the J-L283 origin, Etruscans were similar to Latins autosomally, and I think this Etruscan is not so different from the Dalmatian find.

    What...
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    Who is to say that Messapic is not descended of...

    Who is to say that Messapic is not descended of Bell Beaker? Bell Beaker language is unknown and some have postulated that languages such as Ligurian are its remnant, I've seen views about Venetian...
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    E-V13 has had to expand somewhere. Looking at...

    E-V13 has had to expand somewhere. Looking at aDNA evidence it doesn't seem that E-V13 is connected to Bell Bekaers, to Italics, to Celts. The main clade of V13 is CTS5856, and its diversity points...
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    He belongs to J-CTS6190, so he is related to...

    He belongs to J-CTS6190, so he is related to J-Y15058 I4331. Yet looking at the spread and diversity of CTS6190, and as Etruscan clusters with the American it is obvious, considering Portuguese,...
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    http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=D76B8B3E9...

    http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=D76B8B3E98EFF9350341F9202BF538EC

    Here is "Ancient Languages of the Balkans" by Katičić, so you can read about Pelasgian of Georgiev too there.
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    Well ottomans were conquerors, so it's "cool"...

    Well ottomans were conquerors, so it's "cool" that some Albanians would descend of them don't you think?:cool-v: Interestingly among Sandzak Bosniaks who are majority of Albanian roots, some exotic...
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    Part of Greek V13 seems Arvanite, but more of...

    Part of Greek V13 seems Arvanite, but more of known V13 lineages seem native to Greece. I do not understand why do some Albanians constantly need to patronize V13 and make up a ludicrous idea that...
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    You have a theory?? :smile: Hundreds of people...

    You have a theory?? :smile: Hundreds of people for the past 10 years have proposed links of E-V13 with Pelasgians. But those people likely did not call themselves Pelasgians. Pelasgian seems like a...
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    According to Katicic the Illyrians of Albania...

    According to Katicic the Illyrians of Albania were Illyrians proper, Delmatae, Pannonians were a different group under influence of Celtoid populations, which corresponds well with Unrfield R-U152...
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    Are they related to ALB013fta from Arberesh study...

    Are they related to ALB013fta from Arberesh study who is E-M78 (xV12,V13,V22)? They might be some old Cardial migrants to there, or maybe they arrived from the North if they cluster with this Gheg....
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    Well there was one E-M78* in a Gheg from Arberesh...

    Well there was one E-M78* in a Gheg from Arberesh study who was V13-, V22-, V12- so likely some L618*.

    I think E-V13 spread about 8000 years ago via maritime route to Southern Italy and from...
  12. Poll: If an R1a is (proto) Thracian (including Northern...

    If an R1a is (proto) Thracian (including Northern Thracians/Dacians) it must be Z93 or Z92, clades such as M458 are automatically excluded. And Even for other Z280 it is next to impossible not to be...
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    I see, well I presume that you share more than 7...

    I see, well I presume that you share more than 7 cM with those people, but autosomal DNA comes through various lines. I suggest you go to GEDmatch and see how you score in Eurogenes calculators such...
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    And a member of this cluster is sample no.65 from...

    And a member of this cluster is sample no.65 from Novi Sad, Vojvodina (Veselinovic et al. 2007). In this study as can be seen by haplotypes other than Vojvodina Serbs, a number of people had certain...
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    Thank you. Interesting, do you have ideas about...

    Thank you. Interesting, do you have ideas about more distant whereabouts? In that area there is sizable Vlach/Romanian minority, and they are actually migrants from adjacacent Romanian areas starting...
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    I know, you are Z16988-, Z17107-, Z17264-,...

    I know, you are Z16988-, Z17107-, Z17264-, S19928-, I guess you did an SNP pack when BY4526 was not available. You might try that one, you don't seem to be likely E-Y20805 either because they have an...
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    DRITINI, you are from the area which used to be...

    DRITINI, you are from the area which used to be called Triballian field, and there is NW Bulgarian in this subclade. So that might easily be your ancestry. I don't think CTS9320 is classical...
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    It is likely found in few Serbs, they seem to...

    It is likely found in few Serbs, they seem to match closely some Czechs or Slovaks from what I remember. Overall it's not apparent that some other clade spread with the Slavs. Though Rusyns have...
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    Nope, I'm interested in likely descendants of...

    Nope, I'm interested in likely descendants of Dakians and Kostoboki here. And it is my knowledge of V13 that is able to classify some Romanian short haplotypes, at YFull there is only one Romanian...
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    Dacians, Costoboci and CTS9320

    In one sample from Lviv, Ukraine n=154, 10 were E-V13 - so solid 6.5 % there.

    But the structure of these is important, this is what I can predict:
    no. 3 is certainly E-PH1173 connected to...
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    @PaschalisB Hey, what is your CTS9320 sublade?...

    @PaschalisB Hey, what is your CTS9320 sublade? Most common in Greece is E-PH1173 subcluster of dys439=9.

    Regarding CTS9320, to me looking at current evidence it resembles Basarabi culture....
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    You are as hopelessly deluded as a parachutist...

    You are as hopelessly deluded as a parachutist with a couple of large holes in his parachute expecting a soft landing. :lmao::useless:


    Now back to the topic. Some J2a clades found in Crete...
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    This practice is weird because only Maasai had it...

    This practice is weird because only Maasai had it but there are others more important ones which actually might represent some very clear proof of V13 involvement. Still likely V13 arrived from the...
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    I included only Gjenetika because your sample is...

    I included only Gjenetika because your sample is large enough, I couldn't bother to go through studies and pick up these clusters individually but the percentage would have been similar. For...
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    Well yes E-V13 seems definitely Cardium related....

    Well yes E-V13 seems definitely Cardium related. And it was found in multiple Cardium sites, Dalmatia, Spain, and also some L618 from Sopot might be Cardium related because Sopot culture had Cardium...
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