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    Probably, via Hurro-Urartians and pre-PIEs, I...

    Probably, via Hurro-Urartians and pre-PIEs, I think, right? Lots of Armenian and Iranian (Kurdish, Zaza, etc) genetic influence in the east.
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    Interesting for Turkey too--the affinity to...

    Interesting for Turkey too--the affinity to modern Turks seems pretty even throughout Turkey (i.e. not too much), but western Turks (especially southwestern) are the Turks with the most actual...
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    I'm aware of this, but I have trouble believing...

    I'm aware of this, but I have trouble believing it considering that the city of Sarduriqurda was mentioned more than a century and a half prior to Iranian dominance in the region. If Armenian is...
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    I really liked this comment. Yeah, i do believe...

    I really liked this comment. Yeah, i do believe we should be contemplating the possibility of a southern route. It's just that we need genetics to back it up. Hopefully we will get a publication on...
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    Yes, Taru/Tarhu/Tahunna/Tarhunt, etc. ...

    Yes, Taru/Tarhu/Tahunna/Tarhunt, etc.

    Illuyanka was a dragon. And I didn't say Illuyanka. But I do think that Illuyanka may come from the same PIE *wel root as gel/gegh. Wel also meant "to turn,...
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    Aga, possibly, but it seems to come from a...

    Aga, possibly, but it seems to come from a different PIE root (*h₂egʰ-).

    For Angegh (a separate deity from Tork Angegh), a connection has been made to Nergal and Tarhu.
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    Okay, but that doesn't answer my question...

    Okay, but that doesn't answer my question regarding agos=Angegh.

    And if it were a loan from Armenian (note: I'm NOT saying that it is a loan from Armenian) it would be during the 2nd millennium...
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    My disapproval for a southern (Anatolian) route...

    My disapproval for a southern (Anatolian) route for proto-Greek, mainly has to do with the absence of steppe ancestry in all the Anatolian samples that have been tested till now, be it Chalcolithic...
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    Do you happen to have a source for...

    Do you happen to have a source for Angel/Angegh=Agos?

    The root of agos is PIE Hyeh₂ǵ- (to revere).

    The root of Armenian angegh is PIE *wel (to see). Angel/Angegh meant "unseen" (i.e....
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    "Yeah, the Alaca Höyük tombs are very obscure in...

    "Yeah, the Alaca Höyük tombs are very obscure in terms of who made them. But i do believe they were IE. Identity-wise there have been multiple proposals. Are you aware of any genetic publications in...
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    I did not realize that the Greek word was aggelos...

    I did not realize that the Greek word was aggelos originally. The reconstructed original Armenian word I was talking about was not angegh but angel, from PIE *wel. I already linked this...
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    "The Necropolises of Nerkin and Verin Naver are...

    "The Necropolises of Nerkin and Verin Naver are indeed very interesting. They complement the Hayk/Bel dates as well. I haven't looked much into those but i will when i find some time. In addition to...
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    According to Demetrios, it's either Mycenaean or...

    According to Demetrios, it's either Mycenaean or Iranian. The link I provided suggested that it was a loan. If it's a loan, it's not "pure Greek." If it's an Iranian loan, it may only have been...
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    An angel is a religious, spiritual being....

    An angel is a religious, spiritual being. Spiritual beings are often invisible.

    The Greek word "angelos" is considered to be a loan into Greek from another, eastern language....
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    Ah yes, Abesla! I remember that now! Thanks. Yes,...

    Ah yes, Abesla! I remember that now! Thanks. Yes, I agree, the comparison with Abkhazian is kind of weak.

    The Mitanni emerged around 1500 BCE. The same with whoever the potential Kassite...
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    I wonder if Apishlu/Apislu, the name of the...

    I wonder if Apishlu/Apislu, the name of the Kaskas who were allied with the Mushki and Urumu, is somehow related to Apollo. The Apishlu may have been Hattian and not Indo-European, but officially,...
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    I don't think that Trialeti-Vanadzor was...

    I don't think that Trialeti-Vanadzor was Greco-Armenian, it was too late. But I do think that they were Proto-Armenian, and still culturally close enough/in contact with their Proto-Greek (Mycenaean)...
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    Yes! I'm familiar with Fournet's and Bomhard's...

    Yes! I'm familiar with Fournet's and Bomhard's theory regarding the Hurro-Urartians having separated from IE prior to Anatolian. It's absolutely fascinating and I believe makes a lot of sense. If...
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    Speaking of the Black Sea, there is an ancient,...

    Speaking of the Black Sea, there is an ancient, pagan Armenian legend that survived into the Christian-era (I think maybe mentioned by Moses of Khorene) about Tork Angegh, who was a (possibly...
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    Interesting, Blevins! Thanks for sharing. What...

    Interesting, Blevins! Thanks for sharing.

    What is this book? (did you already say in a previous post and I missed it?)
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    Good to hear from you again, friend! That's...

    Good to hear from you again, friend!

    That's interesting about Helios, I didn't know that. I think that is as, if not more, compelling than Khaldi=Helios.

    As for Khaldi, his holy city was...
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    Just saw the above Trialeti link. Researchers...

    Just saw the above Trialeti link. Researchers seem to be veering toward Trialeti-Vanadzor being Indo-European, or at least having an Indo-European element. I think it's very likely that they were the...
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    Very interesting stuff, Demetrios! A few other...

    Very interesting stuff, Demetrios!

    A few other possible connections that I've read:

    The Urartian god Khaldi (sometimes written Haldi) may have been related to Helios, the -di possibly being the...
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    Thank you so much!

    Thank you so much!
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    I don't think Armenians came through the Balkans....

    I don't think Armenians came through the Balkans. I think that they went directly south from the Steppes and arrived in the South Caucasus sometime between 2500-2200 BCE. There are a few reasons I...
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