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    I fail to understand why anyone would imagine...

    I fail to understand why anyone would imagine that an "Etruscan" person with from, say, 25% to 50% North African (R475), would be particularly close to any modern Italian samples whatsoever. Way too...
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    I've never followed him. I certainly never quoted...

    I've never followed him. I certainly never quoted him.

    The only mention I ever made of him is that I heard here on the site that the Dodecad "updated" Italian samples were published by him and...
  3. Oh, please. I suggest you start looking all...

    Oh, please.

    I suggest you start looking all these things up in Coop's new book.

    All pop gen tools have their benefits and minuses. To think that IBD is the complete answer shows a complete...
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    Why don't you stick to the archaeology and leave...

    Why don't you stick to the archaeology and leave ancient myths out of it, as well as the "some" and "others" from other sites who are doubtless racists just like the Sizzi you seem to like to follow.
  5. Right, there's a good plan: let's blindly trust...

    Right, there's a good plan: let's blindly trust the program created by another, better known racist. Also, let's pretend that every method doesn't have its flaws.

    For those who are humor...
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    From the paper: "Although we were able to...

    From the paper:

    "Although we were able to model eight of the 11 individuals as two-way mixtures of Copper Age central Italians and a Steppe-related population (~24 to 38%) using qpAdm, this model...
  7. Believing that dna gives us the ability to...

    Believing that dna gives us the ability to distinguish people of different "races" or what are now called breeding populations doesn't make you a racist, imo. That's what we're doing every day. Are...
  8. Stop making up your own idiosyncratic definitions...

    Stop making up your own idiosyncratic definitions for these samples. Neither is "Sizzi" an unimpeachable source. From what I've read at his site he doesn't even know that the people with one of the...
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    My husband's matches to Empuries-better for the...

    My husband's matches to Empuries-better for the "Greek" samples, as expected.



    Distance to:
    Lawrence


    14.50236877
    I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
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    Thanks, Duarte. It seems that of the sample files...

    Thanks, Duarte. It seems that of the sample files published, we have a bunch of Iberians, one North/Central Italian, a few German or French people, and two which are closest to Jews. I think we can...
  11. All of the samples to which I get reasonable hits...

    All of the samples to which I get reasonable hits are the ones which could be labeled Central Italian(possibly mostly "local") or Northern Italian, so it all makes sense.



    Distance to:
    Angela...
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    Thanks, Duarte. Your efforts are very much...

    Thanks, Duarte.

    Your efforts are very much appreciated, as are those of Jovialis.

    I personally, and I'm sure many others, have a much clearer understanding, because of those efforts, of what...
  13. I hope we find out more than the sex, age, and...

    I hope we find out more than the sex, age, and where he grew up.

    Too bad there's only the skull cap. It would have been fascinating to see what the reconstruction would have looked like.
  14. Yes, very different yDna. I personally have felt...

    Yes, very different yDna. I personally have felt for a while that there were two streams migrating toward Italy, one coming perhaps by way of the Balkans, and one over the Alps more toward the...
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    Just wondering, Duarte, was there something wrong...

    Just wondering, Duarte, was there something wrong with the other Empuries samples? I was particularly curious about the three male ones carrying yDna "J".
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    A good number of the Late Antiquity and Medieval...

    A good number of the Late Antiquity and Medieval Era samples may very well have come from more northern parts of Europe; not everyone buried in a large urban center, particularly a site of...
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    Since the PCA is based on K15, I agree.

    Since the PCA is based on K15, I agree.
  18. There's more variety in the Iron Age and...

    There's more variety in the Iron Age and Republican Era Romans, with some being more "southern" than the Etruscans. In any case, the steppe amount varies; it was the amount of WHG which was a little...
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    I'm aware that's a female sample. It's not of any...

    I'm aware that's a female sample. It's not of any significance to the autosomal signature.

    The first mention of "Illyrians" is much later. Best to label these samples as Bronze Age Balkans. In...
  20. Hey, Jose, we already had a thread on this so I'm...

    Hey, Jose, we already had a thread on this so I'm going to merge the threads.
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    That particular one is the updated K12b. I just...

    That particular one is the updated K12b. I just input that particular sample as the target.
  22. The metallurgy the paper is investigating is 4th...

    The metallurgy the paper is investigating is 4th and 3rd millennium.

    These are the pre-Bronze Age samples published by Antonio et al.

    We've been working with them on the Vahaduo thread. ...
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    Yes, it all makes sense. Some of our North...

    Yes, it all makes sense.

    Some of our North Italian members are getting hits of around 4 for some of the Iron Age samples, and Southern Italians get similarly close matches to others.

    Some of us...
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    Sorry for the late response; I just saw this....

    Sorry for the late response; I just saw this. Very interesting.

    What program was used?

    I asked because based on the work we're doing on the Vahaduo site I don't think the "Illyrian" samples...
  25. I agree. What I think is probable, however,...

    I agree.

    What I think is probable, however, is that there were trade links, whether through intermediaries or not, all the way to India from the Aegean.
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