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    The DF27 Pack is probably a bad example, but most...

    The DF27 Pack is probably a bad example, but most of these frequency maps in R1b are fair representations of what scientific studies have surveyed. It's the best the we've got anyway.

    Is there...
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    These maps are great. I would like to include...

    These maps are great. I would like to include them on a couple of the R1b project overview pages so and am happy to cite Eupedia or Maciamo Hay directly as is desired. Is that okay to include this...
  3. I don't understand how you are using the word...

    I don't understand how you are using the word "richness" in this question. Please explain.
  4. BTW, this the year we should see an unveiling of...

    BTW, this the year we should see an unveiling of the L21 tree. We are only seeing a skeletal outline of it now. Here is the current draft version. Chromo 2 has added some nice definition under M222...
  5. I'm not quite sure what part of anything I've...

    I'm not quite sure what part of anything I've said that you are citing here. I'm a little nervous about your interpretation of something I've said. Obviously, today there are P312+ all over the...
  6. I agree with your general premise but not to the...

    I agree with your general premise but not to the point that I would say no R1b (of any kind) was involved with Bell Beaker folks. I particularly agree with your points 2 and 4.

    The distribution...
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    I think R1b-L21 might have fairly high levels...

    I think R1b-L21 might have fairly high levels going a little east and north from Bretagne. Look at the Normandy project:
    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Normandy/default.aspx?section=yresults
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  8. Goga, you might have to dial the timeline back...

    Goga, you might have to dial the timeline back further than the Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex (2300–1700 BC).

    Also, please take a look at the R1bx297 project administrator's map for his...
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    I agree that the Bell Beakers seem to pop in out...

    I agree that the Bell Beakers seem to pop in out of no where in Western Europe with technologies that you think would have come from SW Asia or Eastern Europe.

    I don't know if this is the answer...
  10. I'm sorry, but I still don't understand your...

    I'm sorry, but I still don't understand your logic.

    What do you think R1b could not have come into Europe with Indo-European language speakers?

    What is your evidence that the "whole of...
  11. Agreed, 100%. Sometimes its hard to tell...

    Agreed, 100%.



    Sometimes its hard to tell what's productive or not sometimes. Humour is good and sarcasm is also humour, but sometimes they can swamp a thread and distract it. I'm not sure what...
  12. It is what it is. I am not initiating these...

    It is what it is. I am not initiating these issues. If you want to talk anything related to Y DNA R1b on the R1b category I think that is fair. I just ask that posters do their research and try to...
  13. If this is what you (EDIT: or whoever if the...

    If this is what you (EDIT: or whoever if the video is pointed to someone else) are looking for you should join a band. As I mentioned earlier, I like sporting events. I played football in college and...
  14. What's the point of "haplogroup wars"? I don't...

    What's the point of "haplogroup wars"? I don't get the big deal. I've got my favorite football and baseball teams, and tennis and golf players. There is plenty of real sport out there and even...
  15. Firehaired, I'm just asking you to deomonstrate...

    Firehaired, I'm just asking you to deomonstrate your points with some data. Perhaps you could research the archaeological finds and build a math model to show the number of deaths of one group or...
  16. I'm not sure what you intend to communicate as...

    I'm not sure what you intend to communicate as your sincere belief or what you think you are saying is an exaggeration. Being cool is okay, but some people are trying to learn about their ancestry...
  17. What is your kit # and I'll see who you compare...

    What is your kit # and I'll see who you compare with best?
  18. I wouldn't be quite so certain (as Angela noted...

    I wouldn't be quite so certain (as Angela noted earlier) of that as U152 is not the dominant haplogroup in Sardinia so there would be no requirement to have a large Ligurian presence and the flow...
  19. Have you considered the ancient Ligures? I think...

    Have you considered the ancient Ligures? I think that is one of xxx's hypotheses.
    [[[EDIT 08/14/2013: I can't find the posting from Rocca. His U152.org web link is down, but he may have been...
  20. I really don't the answer, but I've asked myself...

    I really don't the answer, but I've asked myself who killed more Native Americans? Europeans in battle or disease?
    My guess would be disease.

    P.S. To your last question, LeBrok, the answer seems...
  21. You might consider a little more caution about a...

    You might consider a little more caution about a label like "Germanic Italo Celt". Many linguists do associate Italic and Celtic languages and theorize there was a common base language dialect, an...
  22. I wouldn't say use of force to take land or...

    I wouldn't say use of force to take land or whatever is something only associated with Indo-European types, but I would not be surprised if they didn't expand by other methods rather than just direct...
  23. Is there any particular reason why you use the...

    Is there any particular reason why you use the word "warrior" so many times? I'm sure there were warriors in multiple cultures but I think there were other kinds of roles in society too, that...
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    Thank you, Sile. My father-in-law is of...

    Thank you, Sile.

    My father-in-law is of Spanish descent and is T-M70 of the alpha cluster. We are somewhat swayed by the Phoenician/Mediterranean story that National Geno has presented, but I...
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    There is a lot of collaboration of citizen...

    There is a lot of collaboration of citizen scientists and testing companies, but not enough standardization across the board. The commercial testing companies are competitors with each other so I...
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